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Speaker 1: This is a Boomberg Business of Sports show. I'm Scarlett

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Speaker 1: Threw along with Mike Lynch, and today we are joined

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Speaker 1: by Isis tell Us. She's currently an associate attorney for

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Speaker 1: labor and Employment. But you might know her as the

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Speaker 1: former All America basketball player at Duke University and the

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Speaker 1: three time All a CC selection, the former w NBA

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Speaker 1: first round draft pick, and of course she played for

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Speaker 1: the Detroit Shock, New York Liberty, and l A Sparks.

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Speaker 1: So she's a big household name in pro and college basketball,

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Speaker 1: and now she's a big household name as a labor attorney. Isis,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us today. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: So I'd like to hear a little bit about your

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Speaker 1: transition from sports to the legal world. How did that

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Speaker 1: come about? Was that always the plan or is that

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Speaker 1: something that you had a chance to think about after

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Speaker 1: your professional career? Um? It was really always um part

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Speaker 1: of my plan. I'd um when I was a kid,

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Speaker 1: this lady told me that I was going to be

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Speaker 1: an attorney one day. UM, And it's sort of stuck

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Speaker 1: with me. And so when I started playing basketball, in

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Speaker 1: the back of my mind, I always knew that once

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Speaker 1: basketball was finished that. You know, I wanted to go

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Speaker 1: to law school and it and it pretty much stuck

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Speaker 1: all the way through. And when I got ready to

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Speaker 1: UM to retire, I you know, I sort of took

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Speaker 1: a step back and went back and looked at some

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Speaker 1: of my goals and stuff as a child, and I'm

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Speaker 1: very goal oriented and I decided to go ahead and

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Speaker 1: take that leap, and I look at it. I always

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Speaker 1: tell people I basically transition from the basketball court to

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Speaker 1: the court of law. And I really used all of

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Speaker 1: the skills and stuff that I learned and developed in basketball,

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Speaker 1: and it really did help me UM to be able

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Speaker 1: to get through law school. But it has been one

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Speaker 1: hell of a transition. I will tell you. It's uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, switching from purely physical to strictly cerebral. UM.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was a definite challenge. But like I said,

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Speaker 1: the skill is that you learn as a professional athlete.

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Speaker 1: They're they're definitely UM transitory and they can be applied

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Speaker 1: in almost any industry. Hi, I said, this is Mike

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Speaker 1: up in Boston. UM, great chatting with you. So give

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Speaker 1: me give me an example of that. Like you're tired

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, your brain kicks in and say, okay,

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Speaker 1: it's fourth quarter, four minutes ago. This is where we

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Speaker 1: separate the winners from the losers. Is that that type

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Speaker 1: of thing takes over in your brain automatically, automatically, automatically,

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Speaker 1: and it and it's and it works the same, you

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Speaker 1: know thing the same way here in the law. UM.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like I've have started to learn how to

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Speaker 1: break down UM the legal world, and I do it

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Speaker 1: the same way I used to break down my opponents

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Speaker 1: on the court. And I really look at everything is

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Speaker 1: sort of an analogy M. On the court. You know,

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Speaker 1: you have your referees in the court room, you have

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Speaker 1: your judges, UM, and you have good ones and you

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Speaker 1: have bad ones. You know, some sometimes they call the

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Speaker 1: game in your favor, sometimes I won't. And it's and

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Speaker 1: it's really that way. You start to look at your

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Speaker 1: opposing counsel as the opponent, UM, and you start to

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Speaker 1: break them down. Are they prepared? You know, did they

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Speaker 1: really prepare for this case the way that you did, UM?

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Speaker 1: And it operates the same way in the basketball world.

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Speaker 1: You know, you you you prepare for a team, sometimes

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Speaker 1: weeks in advance. You have scouting reports. You know, you

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Speaker 1: put in all. You know, you put in all this

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Speaker 1: work and then when you hit the court, um, and

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Speaker 1: it's game time, it's supposed to flow. And it really

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Speaker 1: works the same way, um in the legal field as well.

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Speaker 1: So given all that, I imagine you must have been

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Speaker 1: fascinated by the whole decision by the n C Doblay

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Speaker 1: that allow college players to monetize uh their a name,

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Speaker 1: image and likeness in a way that you couldn't as

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Speaker 1: a player as a college player. Yes, I've been looking.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually very happy for the players that they, um,

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Speaker 1: you know I've gotten this. It's it's been a long time.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming I think over a hundred years at the

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Speaker 1: and and it's and it's very fair. You know, no

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Speaker 1: one has to come out of pocket here. UM. But

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Speaker 1: image and likeness stuff for a while. UM, you know,

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Speaker 1: starting with you know, the abandoned case and um in

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court's antitrust concerns, um, all the way down

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Speaker 1: to the California's Fair Pay to Play Act, which basically

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Speaker 1: one of those states. They're so large and they had

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Speaker 1: so many different uh schools. Uh, you know California works

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Speaker 1: to you know, pull out. It would it would really

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Speaker 1: um affect all schools, and all schools might think to

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Speaker 1: n c A had to go ahead and come out

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Speaker 1: it's way too much at stake. Society is really ready

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Speaker 1: fair thing. It's a fair thing to do to go

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Speaker 1: ahead and allow the athletes to at least be able

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Speaker 1: to profit, you know, off of their UM, off of

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Speaker 1: who they are. So isis can can name and image

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Speaker 1: and likeness at a school? For instance, Page Bukers, is

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Speaker 1: this great deal now with so long overdrew um with Gatorade?

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Speaker 1: Can it be a divisive force throw in the locker

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Speaker 1: there would be some animosity there if you know, there's

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Speaker 1: And um, you know, teams that may not have been

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Speaker 1: and improper reducement prohibitions. And I know that every state

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Speaker 1: help the players to manage their money. Yeah, that makes

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Speaker 1: a lot of sense. And it'd be an ongoing thing,

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Speaker 1: this as a big problem. My correct is absolutely, I do. UM.

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Speaker 1: When you go to rookie orientation on the men's in

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Speaker 1: to be. I mean, it's a problem, it is, and

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Speaker 1: it's a problem that can be remedied with UM, with

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Speaker 1: genuine instruction. I feel like it's gonna be a bigger

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Speaker 1: problem too with the rise of n f t s

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Speaker 1: the consequences, the risks that go along with that exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: And that's why there needs to be UM, you know,

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Speaker 1: some types, some some ongoing classes that are not just

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Speaker 1: I mean, especially, you know, society is just changing so

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Speaker 1: much that UM, we need to really address um the

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Speaker 1: financial literacy aspect because it's going to be this you know,

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Speaker 1: the NEIL policy. It's it's going to be huge, and

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Speaker 1: it's going to affect all athletes from you know, those

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