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Speaker 2: But I think the lesson here is don't change for anybody,

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Sworeld and welcome to the Nodunks podcast on

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Speaker 3: the Athletic Network. It's Tuesday, October twentieth. I'm j E.

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Speaker 3: Skeets alongside me. Today we have the international Man of

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Speaker 3: he is and today filling in for both Tasks and Trey, which,

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Speaker 3: as we all know, are some wide ass Birkenstocks and

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Speaker 3: the hashtag well actually movement. It's John Human Shoe.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Man Bellows? What's going on? Appreciate a stream team?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So you are? You are? That's that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: jumping on here, Shoe. We're actually going to get into

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Speaker 3: So that's gonna be fun. A bunch of questions about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's fairly simple. And he played sixty

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Speaker 3: Maybe a little shocking maybe for some people. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: To you, Shoo, that's a good question. I don't necessarily

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Speaker 1: Because you know, it seems doubtful that the Pelicans would

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Speaker 3: Right, him being restricted. Yeah, and Van Vliet, like, let's

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Speaker 3: So that's you know, a four year, eighty five million,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that Yeah, the twenty twenty one off season

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Speaker 1: I do think that it's possible that he's more valuable

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Speaker 1: Let's remember like he's not creating his own shot when

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Speaker 4: He did go step pretty well.

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Speaker 1: live vicariously through Fred van Vliet, his twin brother Chris Chiosa,

434
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: and their and their Puerto Rican cousin JJ Berea. Those

435
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: are the three guys that I live vicariously.

436
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 3: That's because you play like all three of those.

437
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 1: I love those and and and we might you know,

438
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: JJ's playing days might be might be over. You know. Uh,

439
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 1: Chiosa I think is gonna stick around as a third

440
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 1: string point guard. And believe me, I want to see

441
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: Fred van Vliet have a ton of but I don't

442
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 1: want him to be the best player on my.

443
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 3: I think that's spot on. That's why the Brogden comparison

444
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense, not even just what the

445
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 3: potential contract is that Bondi's throwing out there, how it

446
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 3: could be comparable. It's that idea of like I love

447
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 3: Malcolm Brogman, Hell yeah, I would want him on my team,

448
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 3: but there's no way I want him to be the

449
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 3: best player on the roster, just like Van Vliet. Like

450
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 3: you imagine if the Knicks do throw crazy money at him,

451
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 3: it's twenty five plus per year and he's the best player,

452
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 3: and it's like now you like, I feel like the

453
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 3: Knicks fans would be like, all right, vanvle you got

454
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 3: to average like twenty seven per game. You know, it's

455
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 3: like not fair. It's like no, no, that's not what

456
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 3: he should be doing. But hopefully it's more of like

457
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 3: a twenty million dollars contract if it's him. I hope

458
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 3: he stays with the Raptors too. But yeah, because he's

459
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: he's got to be a piece. He can't be the man.

460
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 3: But you know, you can get into that situation when

461
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,719
Speaker 3: you paid over twenty five million, then you're looked at

462
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 3: as the It's like a Vucevich type thing. It's like,

463
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 3: are you the man?

464
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 4: All right?

465
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 3: Go to town? But it's like, ah, that's not He's

466
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 3: not best suited.

467
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: For that, right, Yeah, I mean yeah, Like I said,

468
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I go to Game seven, the end of

469
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 1: Game seven against the Celtics who had.

470
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 3: Fouled out Lowry fouled out.

471
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Speaker 1: I think, yeahh And so it was like, all right, Fred,

472
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, get us three and he couldn't do you know,

473
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 1: he couldn't do it. And so I mean, I mean

474
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: just saying like he's not gonna create a ton of

475
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: stuff for himself. You know, he's he's gonna, you know,

476
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 1: be a make shots in an offense that moves the ball,

477
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: and yeah, finds the open man for sure.

478
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 3: Well let's keep it going here. You wrote you're talking

479
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 3: about Ingram number two on your Less Restricted. Of course

480
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 3: you said in that article it will be interesting to

481
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: see what the final price tag is for him, because,

482
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 3: like I'm with you, he's likely not going anywhere. But

483
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: what type of deal does be I signed best guess

484
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 3: Shuet Ultimately, what David Grif David Griffin tries to lock

485
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Speaker 3: him up.

486
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Speaker 1: For, it's gotta be north of twenty million a year.

487
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: I was looking back two years ago, Lavigne and Aaron

488
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: Gordon both signed four year deals, one for seventy eight,

489
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: one for seventy six, and their numbers weren't nearly as

490
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 1: good as Ingram was the year before. So that's so

491
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: it's got to be north of twenty. I don't think

492
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: it's a max which would start at like twenty eight

493
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: eight and a half or something like that. I can't

494
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: imagine it's that.

495
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 3: So so it split the difference type of thing.

496
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: Twenty three something twenty three a year and then for

497
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: however many years and I and I but like, I

498
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: don't know that if he's a great fit next to

499
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: Zion Williamson long term, that's that's my my hesitation. I mean,

500
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: I distinctly remember a game. I wish I've remembered which

501
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 1: one it was, but I was watching where it was

502
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: like five minutes into the game and Zion had touched

503
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: the ball once, like and it was one of these

504
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: catch and give it right back to somebody touches too,

505
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: so he had he had the ball for like three

506
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: seconds through the first five minutes, and there's seven minutes

507
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: to go in the first quarter and Ingram just dribbles

508
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: the ball up the floor and shoots a pull up

509
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: mid range jumper with like eighteen on the shot clock,

510
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, ohy, like this dude. I don't know,

511
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: like he's really talented. I mean, his his jumper is

512
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: incredibly improved. That's where the improvement came from him this year.

513
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: But I don't know if he's gonna sort of swallow

514
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: too many possessions when he's on the floor with Williamson,

515
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: with Williamson Lake and not necessarily making the most of

516
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: Zion Williamson when they're on the floor together.

517
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a really interesting one to me because his

518
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 2: people are going to be expecting a max I think,

519
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 2: considering the improvement that he showed this season. He's young,

520
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 2: and they were also upset that David Griffin didn't extend

521
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 2: him last season when he could have. So if they

522
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 2: come in with a with a what they consider a

523
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 2: low ball offer, it'll be interesting to see what happens,

524
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 2: because I think they still take it in the end.

525
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 2: But I I also don't think he's a great fit

526
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 2: with Zion there, and I wonder about his long term

527
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: future in New Orleans. But I think for Griffin and

528
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: the Pelicans, they have to lock him up at least

529
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: now as an asset, even though he's restricted. Obviously he can't.

530
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 2: They're not going to let him go free. But it's

531
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 2: going to be so interesting to me to see just

532
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: how those otiations go, because you know, most improved player

533
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: All Star. Clearly his game improved, you know, across the

534
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: board everywhere. Even his playmaking got a little bit better.

535
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 2: So all those factors considered, and again for a young guy,

536
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: his team I think are going to be expecting the max.

537
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: I think they just are, and you know, I mean Griffin.

538
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to want to pay him

539
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 2: the max. But where they fall and how they get

540
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: to that point I think is going to be very

541
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: very interesting.

542
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: He's only twenty three. That he's young, and it feels

543
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: like he's been around for forever. He's only twenty three.

544
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: But the Pelicans have like a lot of different directions.

545
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: They can go with holiday, you know, a possible holiday trade.

546
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: Even just when you think about Derek Favors like he

547
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: was an important role player for them. They played well

548
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: when he was on the floor. They played well when

549
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: he was on the floor with Williamson.

550
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 4: He's only twenty eight, As you.

551
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 3: Said, too.

552
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's unrestricted, So would they bring him back or

553
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: do they just turn over the center position to Jackson Hayes.

554
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: They have a lot of different ways they can go

555
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: with Ingram being a restricted free agent. I guess there's

556
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: some maybe sign and trade possibilities with teams that have

557
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: cap space, I guess. But you've got to figure out

558
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: what's in it for New Orleans in that regard to

559
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: so I'm so there. Yeah, there's intrigue I guess in

560
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: regards to both the price tag and you know what

561
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: they really feel about the long term fit.

562
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 3: Right. They don't have a coach yet either, right, I

563
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 3: mean I keep forgetting that. There's been so much movement

564
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 3: recently that I'm like, who has a coach? Now? Who doesn't?

565
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: Where is Doc again? You know D'Antoni is, where's he? Like? Yeah,

566
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 3: the Pelicans. I don't think as of recording this with

567
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: true here this morning on Tuesday, October twentieth, they don't

568
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: have one yet. And yeah, I mean, I'm sure any

569
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: coach that comes in there is and be like, yeah,

570
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 3: we can make I can make this work. Yeah, Oh,

571
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 3: twenty three year old scorer and Ingram and we got

572
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 3: Zion and all these pieces. Yeah, I'll make it work.

573
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: They're not gonna say nope, maybe you gotta move Bi.

574
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: I don't want to come and take this job unless

575
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: he unless he's gone. But yeah, I thought that was

576
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 3: interesting putting my at number two again restricted? But what

577
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 3: will be the price tag you're you're throwing out sort

578
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 3: of twenty three? It sounds like per year. Shoot, Lee,

579
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 3: I'm with you. I think his camp's like, come on,

580
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 3: I'm twenty three years old. I'm already an All star.

581
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 3: You traded me. You traded Anthony Davis to get me, basically,

582
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: you know, you know, I just lock me up here,

583
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: let's let's go. So, yeah, that will be fascinating. If

584
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 3: I'm a guessing man, I'm saying I'll bump up with

585
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: shoes saying a little bit more. I'll go like twenty

586
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: five mil. And maybe everybody's happy with that number. It

587
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,239
Speaker 3: just sounds like a nice number, right, twenty five million year?

588
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 3: Yeah not bad. Hey. By the way, who's older or

589
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: who who do you think is older? I should say

590
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,719
Speaker 3: Derrick Favors or Tristan Thompson. These guys are both like

591
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: somehow under thirty. Yeah, but they both feel to me

592
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 3: like they're closer to forty shoe. If you had to

593
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: pick one, Favors are Tristan Thompson?

594
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, Favors is twenty Thompson.

595
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: Is they both the same age?

596
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: Wait, let's I look up answer to this question.

597
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's I mean, the answer is really subjective.

598
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: Who do you just feel like he's way older? Yeah,

599
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 3: Tristan Thompson's Twavers.

600
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: Favors feels older.

601
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, Favors feels like he's been.

602
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: I remember talking to him as a rookie with the

603
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: New Jersey Nets.

604
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 3: So like good point.

605
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: Oh that's now, that was when they were really bad too,

606
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: that one year when they were really really bad. So yeah,

607
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: I think he feels a little bit older.

608
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: Even though he's younger than Tristan Thompson by year, but

609
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: they both feel like they've been around fifteen years easily, easily.

610
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 3: All right, let's keep it going here. Here's a fun question.

611
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 3: Looking at the entire list. I'll actually give the entire

612
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 3: list for everybody just listening. It's van Fleet, then it's

613
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 3: ingram to Gallinari at three, Mantres, Harald at four, Draga

614
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: Chat five, Bogdan Bogdanovic at six, Christian Wood at seven,

615
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 3: Burton's at eight. We talked about him recently on a

616
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: Beach step in podcast. Mellow and Dwight Howard, those are

617
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: the ten intriguing free agents to shoe, and then you

618
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: sprinkle in a bunch of other guys sort of related.

619
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, I kind of cheated, so Mellow and Dwight

620
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: necessarily aren't in the top ten. But like, I've cheated

621
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: to link some related free agents to to certain guys

622
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: so that I can put basically like thirty people on

623
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: the list.

624
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 3: It's such a what a trick there from shooting. But

625
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you this, Shoot, pretend you're a GM,

626
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 3: which player on that list your list of those ten

627
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 3: guys would give you the most pause in like considering

628
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 3: signing them? And maybe it's Van Vleet or Ingram already

629
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,239
Speaker 3: or is it another guy? Like where do you like go?

630
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: I like him, but I don't know.

631
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: Drag Its probably, I mean he's thirty five, he's injured currently.

632
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: I think that's it. I mean, that's it's basically age.

633
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, like, let's put Mellow and Dwight to

634
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: the side, Like those two guys give me the most

635
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: pause obviously, but in the time as far as the legit,

636
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: like these guys are are rotation players on good teams,

637
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: I would you know, I would say drag its just

638
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: because of the age and injury history. I mean not

639
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: only did he hurt his foot, but I mean he

640
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: was lugging around a huge he's a huge knee brace

641
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: aw season, So yeah, like that's probably it.

642
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the heater interesting, Let's get into them because you've

643
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: got him Crowder, Solomon Hill, Derek Jones, Junior Myers, Leonard

644
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: and Haslam are impending unrestricted free agents. Now they own

645
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: I think the bird rights for all of the All

646
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 3: Sex Fools players, so they can can exceed the Sellar

647
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 3: cap if they want to resign their own guys. But

648
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 3: then they've got the whole Bam thing and his extension.

649
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: Like they obviously made the finals. They were a feel

650
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: good story and number five seed, you know, right in

651
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 3: that Jimmy Butler coffee wave all the way to the finals.

652
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 3: But like, is there any concern if you're and then

653
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: of course they're worrying. They're looking ahead at twenty twenty

654
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 3: one for the real big names, possibly with pat Riley,

655
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 3: like Jannis and whoever, what do they do here? I

656
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 3: think is the ultimate thing, Like do you sort of

657
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: try and keep the squad together, you know, including drag

658
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: and like, wow, we got something here. We could compete

659
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: in the East and for a championship or is it

660
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 3: like sort of one of these like this lightning strikes

661
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 3: and a bottle sort of in this bubble. Lightning strikes

662
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 3: in a bubble here, and it's like, let's not get

663
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: too excited with what happened here. Would what would you

664
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 3: do or what do you think?

665
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: Shoo oh, I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to go

666
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: forward again, Like I definitely wouldn't do that. But I

667
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: think maybe you do two things. One, before free agency opens,

668
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: you are on the on the phone with a lot

669
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: of different teams looking at if there's any upgrades you

670
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: can make via trade without necessarily hurting your cap space

671
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty one. So is there anybody on a

672
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: one year deal or one with one year remaining on

673
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: their deal that you can grab from somebody? An ol

674
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: A depot might be an answer to that question. And

675
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: then number two, if that's not available, then you try,

676
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: I guess you try to bring it back, you know,

677
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: option too, is to bring it back on one year

678
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: deals for like Dragas primarily and Crowder to see if

679
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: you can, you know, run it back without again tapping

680
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: into next year's cap space. You know, I don't know

681
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: exactly what that cap space would be, but I'm curious

682
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: does does trying to preserve that cap space prevent them

683
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: from signing out of Bio to an extension, Like I

684
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: haven't even I haven't really thought about that too deeply,

685
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: but I think it might. You know, they might have

686
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: to hold off on an extension for him, although I'm

687
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: looking at it now. Iguadala has a team option for

688
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one twenty two, so that sort of makes

689
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: things a little bit simpler. So maybe I think they

690
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: they probably can sign out of Bio to an extension

691
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: this year that would kick in next year and and

692
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: still have the max cap space that they're going to

693
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: want next year. And of course, heck they they got

694
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler without max cap space last year, so it's

695
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't.

696
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 3: Matter, right, right, What do you think, Lee?

697
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: Well, I think though that is one of the issues though,

698
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: that if they do extend out of BIO now, it

699
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: would eat into what they have for Yannis potentially next season.

700
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the sticking points that the

701
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: Heat are potentially going to say, listen, just hold off.

702
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: But his camp, BAM's camp are going to be like, no, Pas,

703
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 2: now we want that because you know, I'll beat God

704
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: and get injured and obviously all those things are uncertain

705
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: going forward. So you know, with Jimmy on his big

706
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: deal as well, it's going to be very interesting to

707
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: see how the Heat do bring it back next season.

708
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 2: Because I agree, I think they should bring Dragis back,

709
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't be offering him anything more than a

710
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: one year deal at this point. I don't know, I

711
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 2: don't know what he's worth. I mean, he came off

712
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 2: a pretty decent deal there with Miami, but I mean

713
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 2: he probably still gets ten to twelve million, I would

714
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: think on a one year deal there, I think, so

715
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 2: at least, you know, I think Oladipo is that's you know,

716
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: throwing him out there because he's kind of linked to

717
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,479
Speaker 2: the Heat as well. I think he would be good

718
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: as a sort of one year option for them that

719
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: is potentially also almost a safety net if they don't

720
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: get Yannis. You know that Oladipo's still young and he's

721
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: been there and they can then maybe extend him so

722
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: but they always seem to figure out a way to

723
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: get what they want Miami as well. Hey, by the way,

724
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 2: how is your relationship with Iguodala these days, Tuams, because

725
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 2: you and him used to have a.

726
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 3: Bit of a that's my guy.

727
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all it's all good hearted. That's my guy,

728
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: like from back in his stays in Philly. That that's

729
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: been my guy. He's can be ornery at times.

730
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 4: I guess.

731
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: He's just like it's all good fun, you know. Like

732
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: I like to come at him for his free throw shooting, and.

733
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: That's what I was going to say, Like he was

734
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: an eighty two percent free throw shoot at rue point

735
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: this season. I mean, okay, let's take this season off

736
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 2: because he's only there for a little bit of time.

737
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 4: He shot forty percent.

738
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: He's down to like fifty eight percent the season before,

739
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: and gold say, how does the guy get worse throws?

740
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: It's a good question. I used to get on him

741
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: about it too, and then he was really improved and

742
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: then he made that series they beat the Bulls in Philly.

743
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: Didn't he make two free throws at the end to

744
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: win that game five. I believe it was.

745
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 4: I think you're right.

746
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh yeah.

747
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: I used to get on him about his sweet throw

748
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: shooting and and he got better. And I don't know

749
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: he's he's.

750
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 3: So are you saying you Are you saying he's declined

751
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 3: at the free throw line because you're not there to

752
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 3: get Yeah?

753
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: Yes, probably it. You know I haven't you know, I'll

754
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: I'm like Lee and Steph Curry. You know, I'm his

755
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: I'm his free throw shooting coach guru. Yeah, I used

756
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: to hate, Like you can tell me that. Like he

757
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: used to shoot it. There's one point where he's shooting

758
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: it with a really iguodala with a really high arc. Yeah,

759
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: like he would purposely put some extra arc on it.

760
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's just like giving it more

761
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: chance to go awry, like unless you're.

762
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: In the Yeah, but yeah, you want to more off

763
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: than a flat a free throw for sure.

764
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 4: Yeah.

765
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: If there's a there's a happy medium.

766
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 4: The Yeah, there is, there is.

767
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 3: I was scraping the ceiling as soon as it hits

768
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 3: iron is gone. It's got too much weight coming. Yeah,

769
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 3: you know the soft touch. Okay, Well, I didn't know

770
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: this that you had this relationship with the Godala. You

771
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 3: gotta get back on and hitting these free throws. So okay,

772
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: does I don't know if anyone's firing up the trade

773
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 3: machine here, but you guys are throwing around this idea

774
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 3: of like, well, go get ola Depot, you know, go

775
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 3: get them for a year. What what's that gonna you know,

776
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 3: what's that gonna take to entice the pacers who yeah,

777
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 3: they might be you know, handcuffed a little bit off.

778
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 3: Olid Debo's already like, I'm leaving here, guys, but can

779
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 3: somebody put something together that makes sense? What you got?

780
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: You you're shaking your head.

781
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: Hero is too much right, You're not trading Hero for him? Nope,

782
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: he's trading Kendrick Nunn.

783
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 3: I would in the depot?

784
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: Is that is that?

785
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 3: You know?

786
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 1: Make the pacers interested? If Oladipo says, I'm out of here,

787
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: like what what are they settling for? You know, I imagine

788
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: there's other packages out there that are probably better than

789
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: what the Heat can offer. You know, they're gonna you know,

790
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: there's they have Kendrick Nunn and what you know, I

791
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: don't know Olynics contract. Yeah, but Olenic you have Sibonis

792
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: and Turner. You know, what are you doing with Kelly Olyno?

793
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 4: Right, so move on from ton I for the paces.

794
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, where you could ship Olynic somewhere else too.

795
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

796
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: It's a good cuss. Pacers are just a fascinating team

797
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: with what they do this year, just in in general,

798
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: both with Oladipo, with with the with their coaching position.

799
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're fascinating.

800
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: So they're a wild card. A couple of old guys

801
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 3: you did have on your list there, we slipped them

802
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 3: in Mellow and Dwight. Which one do you have more

803
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 3: faith in, like to be able to contribute, like, let's

804
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 3: say next season.

805
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: Probably d White, Like I think you can get, Like

806
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: Dwight is going to give you defense and rebounding. I

807
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: think you can count on that. You're Carmelo is there

808
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: for offense, but he's not a very efficient offensive score

809
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: like even against even alongside Lillard and McCollum, like he

810
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: had some flurries of of of offense, but like overall,

811
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: over eighty two games, over forty eight minutes, he's not

812
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: going to be very efficient. You know, he shoots a

813
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: ton from mid range and he's not doesn't rank very

814
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: highly as a mid range shooter. I'll give you the

815
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: stat that I included in there. You know, he shot

816
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: forty percent from mid range, which was sixtieth among eighty

817
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 1: four players with at least one hundred mid range attempts.

818
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: So like it's like you think of him a Melow

819
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: mid range you know he's money from there, but like, eah,

820
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: you know he had like what didn't he hit like

821
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: five in a row in one one of those playoff games,

822
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: And like Lee was like, eh, Melow just earned himself

823
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: another contract, Like well, look at the look at the

824
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: look at the macro scale for a second, and like

825
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: and my other thing with Mellow is even in Portland,

826
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 1: Like who other than Portland's gonna.

827
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 3: Want him one?

828
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: And if it's like hey, you know he can always

829
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 1: come back to Portland, it's like, well, okay, what if

830
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: uh Aresa is healthy? What if Rodney Hood is healthy?

831
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: What if Gary Trent is healthy? And what if Zach

832
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: Collins is healthy? Like okay, if if if you need

833
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: a bucket on a last minute possession, Yeah, Melo's going

834
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: to be one of the two guys on the floor

835
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: with Lillard and mccollumn and Nurkic, but over forty eight minutes, like,

836
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: is what is his role compared to those other guys

837
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: and is he willing to play that role? You know,

838
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: is he willing to you know, play behind Aresa and

839
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: Zach Collins?

840
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, guys, Mellow's going back to MSG baby,

841
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 3: Chris Paul's getting traded there.

842
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what I know when you pointed

843
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: that out, true, it just felt though that Mellow, you know,

844
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: he gave himself another chance in the league because it

845
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: felt like he played better than the stats showed for Portland.

846
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 4: And again that sort of suited.

847
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 2: Him where it's like it's almost like Olympic Mellow just

848
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 2: sit in the corner, will throw the ball and hit

849
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: some threes, because he seemed to do that. And the

850
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: defense has always been awful. But when you compare it

851
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 2: to how it ended in Houston to how it ended

852
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: in Portland, I would say this, he's at least generated

853
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: more interest and seems like we can have Mellow, you know,

854
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: somewhere on the roster anyway.

855
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, yeah, there's a role for him. The

856
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: question is is that role satisfactory for him?

857
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 3: Right?

858
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: Like, you know, is he is he okay, Like you know,

859
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: we can't. I can't forget the they think they want

860
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: me to come off the bench, you know, you know,

861
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: quote like things like yeah, we want you to come

862
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: off the bench. Yeah, be the second unit guy, like

863
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: and be you know, like you're not. I mean, I

864
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: like the guy. I love the guy, like he's He's

865
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: another guy that I've gotten to know covering like USA

866
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: basketball and stuff, and I love him and I root

867
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: for him, but like he's not. Let's the numbers just

868
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: don't when you look at it overall, you're gonna see

869
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: the numbers just don't match up. And you need and

870
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: you should have a more efficient score next to I mean,

871
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: if if you have Lillard and mccolumn, and hey maybe

872
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: they don't keep both of those guys, who knows, you

873
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: need the other guys around them to score efficiently, to

874
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: shoot threes more than twos, more than long twos to

875
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: you know, and to be really good on catch and

876
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: shoot and and yeah, Mellow is good for you know,

877
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: last second. You know, Lillard's double teams swing him the

878
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: ball and he can get that to that one shot,

879
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: one dribble pull up, you know, really good. But like

880
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: I said, over eighty two games, over forty eight minutes.

881
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: Just the numbers don't really make a ton of sense.

882
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: Do you think he's at the point in his career.

883
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm throwing out there. I know we don't

884
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: have the answer, but will he just start ring chasing

885
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 3: at some point here? Like, well, say all right, let

886
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 3: me just get a ring. He's going to the Hall

887
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: of Fame as it is. I'm sure we all agree

888
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 3: with that, but like, you know, go go get one,

889
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 3: go find one. Maybe it's with Lebron in LA or

890
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 3: something like that, like his best chance at that or

891
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 3: another team because he's got it. I don't know. Maybe

892
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: he does the Vince Carter thing. Maybe he never does

893
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 3: it right, Vince never cave to ring chase. He's like, no,

894
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 3: I want to keep playing or trying to get minutes

895
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: here there and obviously help young guys and stuff like that.

896
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 3: He never did it. So maybe Mellow follows that route

897
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: as well. But I don't know. At some point, I

898
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 3: just feel like Melo's just for that resume. He's got

899
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 3: all the gold, the Olympic golds, and obviously he's got

900
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: a lot of accolades, like in All Stars and All

901
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: nbas and and huge point totals. Get a ring, Get

902
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 3: a Mitch Richmond ring at the end of your career. There, mellow,

903
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 3: I could be in play.

904
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna try to pretend to know what

905
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: he's what's in his head as far as what he wants, right, Yeah, we'll.

906
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 3: See within this article you had, Like because you're a

907
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 3: numbers guy, you're always keeping us honest and and I

908
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 3: think you're one of the best at it. I will

909
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 3: say that, you know, Hollingder is incredible. I mean guys

910
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: that can write about the numbers, but like make it

911
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 3: accessible I think to a lot of people. So again,

912
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 3: kudos for you've been doing a long time. Just like Hollingder,

913
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: it's all the Johns and Pelton and stuff like that.

914
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 3: But you had numbers to know. Was our favorite number

915
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 3: to know in the article? And like, why would you

916
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 3: pick that one out?

917
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: Uh, it's Davas Berton's sixty five. He had sixty five

918
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: three pointers in the first six seconds of the shot

919
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: clock like the league, and was eleven more than any

920
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: other player. JJ Reddick was second with fifty four. And

921
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: I like it because it sort of tells you who

922
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: Davias Burton's is like it clipped. It's like that is

923
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: Dovas Bretons Like you can and you can envision, like

924
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: is Smith dribbling up the middle of the floor, Breton's

925
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: running up the sideline on either side or whatever Smith

926
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: passes the ball. He catches the ball twenty nine feet

927
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: from the basket and just lets it immediately like and

928
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's who it is. Like that's amazing.

929
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 1: Like he didn't play in the in the seating games,

930
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: he came off the bench and he had eleven more

931
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: threes in the first six seconds of the Shark like

932
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: than anybody else in the league. Like that is wow,

933
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: I mean it's I mean, that's who it is. Like

934
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: I remember watching one game, dude came on the floor

935
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: and like literally three seconds later he had already shot

936
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: a three and it was.

937
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: Hitting like eight in a row or something against the Hornets.

938
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 2: I think it was I.

939
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: Forget, but yeah, he yeah, he's he's a he's a gem.

940
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: So we watch we talked about him. What what's what's

941
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: Burton's worth? I mean, because I I you know, he

942
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: is instant offense. But that's it from from what I

943
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: saw Revote Burton's there's no defense, there's no rebounding, there's

944
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: no facilitating on offense. It's literally like if you throw

945
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: him the ball, he's going to fire away. And he's

946
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: not a bad shooter. He's a good shooter.

947
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 4: But what is a guy like that worth?

948
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: It's a good question. I don't know, it's got to be.

949
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: I imagine it's north of ten a year. Yeah, I think so,

950
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: I mean because I mean, because he's and he's not

951
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: a shooter that like needs space or you know, he

952
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: because he's so big, he's got a high release and

953
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: a quick release that he you can like it's not

954
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: like oh that you can you can uh sort of

955
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: negate Duncan Robinson a little bit by just staying in

956
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 1: his shirt. Like you could be in dunk In Davas

957
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: Breton's shirt and he's still gonna shoot.

958
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

959
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: So like there's value in that and I and he's

960
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: a really good fit if if if the Wizards keep

961
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 1: uh Beal and Wall, then he's a good fit along

962
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: those alongside those two guys. He's obviously a you know,

963
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: one of those guys that would fit really well along

964
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,959
Speaker 1: alongside a team with a star or a two star.

965
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's high volume, high percentage three point shooter.

966
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 3: We were saying it on the last podcast talking about him.

967
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 3: I mean he was putting up these numbers. Now, yeah,

968
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 3: you're saying this is the Wizards. They didn't play liquid defense.

969
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 3: I mean it's almost like a pointless season. You know,

970
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 3: Beal's going for thirty plus. It was just like, let's

971
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 3: have play glorified pickup basketball. I do agree with that,

972
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 3: but at the same time he was putting up all

973
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: these numbers. Berton's was with Ish Smith, who like solid whatever,

974
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 3: Shabaz Napier as your point guard, basically Beale as your

975
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 3: point guard a lot of the time. I'd love to

976
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 3: see what he could do with John Wall, who is

977
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 3: I think oddly underrated as a playmaker. I think it's

978
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 3: probably because we haven't seen him play in so long,

979
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 3: or feels like it's been a decade since we've seen

980
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: John Wall play, and you think of him just like

981
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: super fast and still have a score that can struggle

982
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 3: with a shot. But he's a hell of a playmaker.

983
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 3: I know he's always up there and assists per game,

984
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 3: So I would just like to see him. I think

985
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 3: the Wizards are definitely committed to bringing him back, whatever

986
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 3: that deal is, because there was almost an agreement. Shoot,

987
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 3: correct me, I'm wrong, Like with you said it him

988
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: not even playing in the in the bubble games. It's

989
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 3: like we're so far back of even forcing this Mega

990
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: Bowl game, you know, like don't worry about it like

991
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: you're I think that was like an agreement of like, hey,

992
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 3: we're with you, we want you for the long term

993
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,479
Speaker 3: here when we get Wall back and we got Bill.

994
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 3: That's sort of how I read it. So I think

995
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: he will be there at whatever price they agree on.

996
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: You would think so. But that doesn't mean other teams won't,

997
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, won't come calling?

998
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 3: True? True?

999
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I like, there's just value in a

1000
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 1: guy that one can shoot and two is going to

1001
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: shoot quick, because those dudes scare the bleep out of

1002
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: opposing defenses, right, and so it's not only their value

1003
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: in in their own shooting, but in the gravity that

1004
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: they that they have and and the things that they

1005
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: open up. We saw that with Robinson obviously, Yeah, quite

1006
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: a bit.

1007
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 4: Do you think that Do you think the Bucks do

1008
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 4: come calling then at all? I mean.

1009
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I mean, they don't have cap space.

1010
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: I don't think no, But I just wonder if they

1011
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 2: make a few moves because of how things ended there.

1012
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, does COVID come back?

1013
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 4: I doubt it.

1014
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, to be moving bloodsoe yeah, bloods.

1015
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 2: I think I think they try to tweak something because

1016
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 2: if they want to convince Yiannis that they're going for it,

1017
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 2: they kind of have to make some move.

1018
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 4: Now. I'm not sure if Bertan's.

1019
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 3: You know, stay we got this guy.

1020
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but.

1021
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: You know, at least you know again he's the guy

1022
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 2: on the floor at the end of the game where

1023
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: you know Yannis can throw the ball to him.

1024
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 4: He's he's going to shoot it. He's going to shoot

1025
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 4: it no matter what.

1026
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 2: He's just he's just such it's such a weird season

1027
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: for him because of what happened in Washington where they

1028
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: were they were scoring it just a ton of points.

1029
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: Everyone was scoring, but they were getting killed and there

1030
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 2: was no defense.

1031
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 4: But he might have.

1032
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 2: Used that as a platform to really cash in.

1033
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 4: So is he inflated? Is his value inflated?

1034
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 2: Or is he actually a decent shooter and a decent

1035
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: player and can contribute to a good team.

1036
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: You know, who really really needs a player like that

1037
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: is Philadelphia. They need to do that and just shoot

1038
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: and shoot right away. I remember talking to somebody like,

1039
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: they need if they're going to have Embiid and Simmons,

1040
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: two guys that that shouldn't be shooting from the outside.

1041
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: I know Embiid does, but really, you know, he's so

1042
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: much better inside than outside. They need multiple guys that

1043
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: can run around, the run arounds, great havoc and just

1044
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: keep shooting. Obviously, they miss they miss Reddick incredibly this

1045
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: past season.

1046
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 3: And that's why for the last couple years it feels

1047
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 3: like Clay Thompson's name comes up as like a dream

1048
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 3: scenario for Sixers fans like that type of guy, Like

1049
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 3: you're saying, shoot. So it's like, you know, Berton's is

1050
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 3: the super super poor man's version. I would say of

1051
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 3: Klay Thompson offensively, but that that makes a lot of

1052
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,479
Speaker 3: sense from your list, because we're talking about like Van Vleet, Okay,

1053
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 3: he maybe stays with the Raptors Ingram, we think he

1054
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 3: stays with the Pelicans, even Berton's you know, it sounds

1055
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: like you sort of agree that he probably could be

1056
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: staying with the Wizards. But of your guys, on this list,

1057
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 3: if you were putting money on one of these guys

1058
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 3: changing teams, shoot, Like, who would you be laying some

1059
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 3: coin on that? They're like, you know, this guy will

1060
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 3: not be with the team he currently is on when

1061
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 3: he plays next season. Who would you put it on?

1062
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: Maybe Bogdanovich bogdal which, well, well, here's the thing, Like,

1063
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: unless they're trading, Unless the Kings are trading Buddy Healed, Like,

1064
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: because Buddy Heeld is their highest paid player, his extension

1065
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: kicks in this year at four years and eighty four

1066
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: eighty eight million. Idy wow, Uh darn Fox is eligible

1067
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: for an extension. Uh that would start next year. He's

1068
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: he's he's on in the last year of his rookie deal.

1069
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: And so are you going to commit a ton of

1070
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: money to three backcourt guys for a team that finished

1071
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: twelfth in the in the West this year and that

1072
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily going to make the playoffs next year? Like,

1073
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money to commit to three guys

1074
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: who are you know, in the in you know, don't

1075
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: all play the same position, obviously, but you know, Healed

1076
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: and Bogdanovich played the same position, and and those three

1077
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: guys barely played, Like I looked to see, like how

1078
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: many total minutes those three guys played together. It's like

1079
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: two hundred or something this last season, So it's.

1080
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 3: Not a lot. So that's a lot, I mean.

1081
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: And they have a new GM Manni McNair, who came

1082
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: over from the Rockets, So I don't know, you know

1083
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: obviously that you know, switches things up. Who knows you know,

1084
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: how he feels about Healed versus Bogdanovic? You know?

1085
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 3: Yeah? See that's isn't that the question? It's like, which

1086
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 3: one of those two guys do you keep? Yeah, Agdonavitel

1087
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 3: or Healed? And like you're saying, do you try and

1088
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 3: trade Heal? Like are we trading the guy that won't

1089
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 3: return our text?

1090
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1091
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, who wants to go somewhere? Ye who liked when

1092
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 2: someone proposed him going to Philadelphia on the right.

1093
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 3: That's why I was sort of shocked when you said

1094
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 3: Bogdanovic because I'm actually I'm I guess I'm just convinced

1095
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 3: the Kings say no, we want to keep him, sign

1096
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 3: him and look to move Buddy Hill, but maybe not.

1097
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: Well, trading is a lot easier said than done. Trading

1098
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,479
Speaker 1: a guy on a on a twenty five million dollar

1099
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: contract is a lot. You know, eighty you know, twenty

1100
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: five next season, but eighty eight over four. That's a

1101
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: big commitment to make for a guy who hasn't you know,

1102
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: Buddy Healed is a great shooter and would be a

1103
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 1: good fit in certain spots, but it's not like he's

1104
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: played for a winner yet. We don't know, you know,

1105
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: so just because you know, uh, letting Bogdanovich walk is

1106
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: a sort of a simpler move than than trading Buddy Healed.

1107
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: I guess that would be it because like I mean, oh,

1108
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 1: I guess you know what, you know, we forgot, uh Gallinari,

1109
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: He's that was I was. I wasn't I skipped over

1110
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: by Gallinari when I was looking at that list when

1111
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: you asked that question. So he's the obvious one that's

1112
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: gonna move. He's not, I mean, he didn't. He tweet

1113
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: out today like, hey, where am I going next?

1114
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 4: Exactly like that.

1115
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: It showed him pictures on all of his uniforms so far,

1116
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: and then in the middle is him with a completely

1117
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: blank Uni jersey.

1118
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: Like a like a literally an NBA t It was

1119
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 3: definitely I'm not coming back to Oklahoma City.

1120
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: You know, like there's nothing like hey, you know, looking

1121
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: to run it back. You know, it was, Hey, where

1122
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: am I going next? So Gallinari is your obvious answer,

1123
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: and it will be interesting to see. You know, he's

1124
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: thirty two, but like I wrote, like, he's one of

1125
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: four guys who have shot forty percent or better on

1126
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: at least three hundred threes in each of the last

1127
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: two seasons. So it's he's and if and like I said,

1128
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 1: if you want good a good offensive team, you need

1129
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 1: a four who can shoot. And he's that dude, right,

1130
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: Like he is that guy who can who space the

1131
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: floor at the fore position. Isn't the defensive necessarily the

1132
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: defensive liability that a Briton's is, So you know, he's

1133
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: he could be a really good fit. It's just a

1134
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 1: question of is he going to get a long term deal.

1135
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: Would he just hey, hey, I'll take the mid level

1136
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: from the best team that wants me, you know type

1137
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: of thing, and then we'll play again next year. Maybe

1138
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: that's what he does.

1139
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 4: We'll see.

1140
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 3: Well, what do you think, Lee, any predictions on a

1141
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 3: Gallinari or where would you like to see him or

1142
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 3: where does he figreate?

1143
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: Well again, yeah, on a contender that that needs another

1144
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 2: guy who can shoot, because he was really good for

1145
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 2: the Thunder I thought in the playoffs at times down

1146
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 2: there in the bubble, you know, a couple of games

1147
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 2: there against the Rockets, he was really really good. So

1148
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 2: I mean, someone like Philadelphia could probably use him as well.

1149
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 4: Milwaukee.

1150
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 2: Again, I'm sort of throwing the Bucks out there a

1151
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 2: little bit again because he is the sort of guy

1152
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 2: who offensively is very very good, and and and he

1153
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 2: is capable of spreading the floor. So you know, who

1154
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 2: else is there sort of contending. I wonder if I

1155
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 2: wonder if you'd be a good fit in Brooklyn too, alongside

1156
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: Kevin and Kyrie up there, another experienced guy.

1157
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 4: I mean that might be.

1158
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 2: And I think Jad's actually got the tweet there that

1159
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 2: he put out this money.

1160
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 3: That is amazing. That's very Brooklyn Nets like figure exactly. Yeah, yeah,

1161
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the nets. The nets are of

1162
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: course a bit of an unknown quantity until we see

1163
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 3: them on the floor. But they'd be looking for veterans,

1164
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 3: I think, who you know they can rely on at

1165
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 3: the end of game, So you know, I mean, you know,

1166
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 3: the ball is going to be in Kyrie, Katie's hands.

1167
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 3: But there's going to be those moments where a guy

1168
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 3: like you on the floor if you if you leave

1169
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 3: Gallinari open, he's going to be pretty reliable a knocking

1170
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 3: down those shots. So you know, yeah, I think I

1171
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 3: think one of those teams it's that feels that it's

1172
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 3: close to winning the championship, would like him. Seeing Gallinari

1173
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 3: there in a Nuggets jersey made me think of something

1174
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 3: when we were talking, Mellow that I wanted to ask

1175
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,439
Speaker 3: both of you. Did you see the Nuggets tweet about

1176
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,919
Speaker 3: who's the greatest Nuggets player of all time? And they're

1177
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 3: a little graphic my Tambo, Alex English, I think Knicks

1178
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 3: man nextell me the meet the graphic even but of

1179
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 3: course I'm asking this is getting to this, No, Mellow,

1180
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 3: what do you think shoo? I mean the ultimate disrespect

1181
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 3: or just like the fact, like hey man, he's still playing.

1182
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 3: We can't put him on the graphic now.

1183
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: I was some unnecessary sheet, completely completely unnecessary, and I

1184
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: don't know if it was intent like how intentional it was,

1185
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: but like come on, it's yeah silly.

1186
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 3: What do you think, Lee?

1187
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm trying, I'm trying to see who it was because

1188
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 2: I remember it you know that good players. I think

1189
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 2: Chauncey Billups even made it.

1190
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Phillips was on it was Yo Kitchen

1191
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 3: maybe on there.

1192
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:21,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yo Kitchen was on that too. Yeah.

1193
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: So you know, I mean Alex English, Like it's hard

1194
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 2: to bump him off. I mean it's uh no one

1195
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 2: scored more points in the entire decade of the eighties

1196
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 2: and Alex English that he gets on the.

1197
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 3: Well, hold on, I'm saying, I couldn't believe Nick van Exel.

1198
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 3: I'm a big Nick van exl fan. I got a

1199
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 3: Lakers Nick van Exel jersey. But uh yeah. Like my

1200
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 3: guess is like, whoever whatever interner guy that was doing

1201
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 3: this photo shops like, well, we can't put Mellow on here,

1202
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 3: right because he's like, yeah, I don't know, is that tampering?

1203
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 3: Could we be somehow tampering and we put him on

1204
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 3: this thing? It's just there, it is right here. It's

1205
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 3: Van Exel with Tumble English Yo Kitchen bills. Okay, we

1206
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 3: got them all. Who is your favorite nugget of multiple

1207
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 3: The question is just straight on the favorite nugget? Yeah, wow,

1208
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 3: I like McDonald's personally. Next ten packs, a couple of

1209
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 3: sweet and sour sauces. But uh yeah, the disrespect of

1210
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 3: Shade Okay, I'm I'm with you, man, that's Shade Lee.

1211
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 3: You're trying to like say, oh, I don't know, all

1212
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 3: these guys deserve to be on the list. Well, put

1213
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 3: another one on, put mellow on.

1214
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: Shauncey was on the Nuggets for like, don't worry about it.

1215
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 3: He was there.

1216
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 4: I went to the conference finals with him, so.

1217
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 3: And mellow.

1218
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm you know, I like like Alex English,

1219
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: that's the spot for Mela.

1220
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 4: It's hot to pop Alex English off that spot.

1221
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 3: I mean no again, it's been excellent. You would be

1222
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 3: taking off, not Alex English. Stop saying that.

1223
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 4: Please.

1224
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 3: All right, a couple of questions that we gotta let

1225
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 3: you go here. You know, as I said out the

1226
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 3: top there, you had these ten guys, but you got

1227
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 3: sneaky with it. You basically had like thirty guys sort

1228
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 3: of sprinkled into this whole thing. Who is the most

1229
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 3: intriguing related free agent? Because you do have that with

1230
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 3: each guy like that you tacked on in this article

1231
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 3: like that You're like, okay, yeah, like that is that's

1232
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 3: a fascinating question about this guy's free agency, who you.

1233
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: Got, well, I mean, I think the most important is

1234
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: Joe Harris just because you know, I tacked him onto

1235
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: Birth Towns just because of their you know, off ball shooting. Yeah,

1236
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: because he won. He plays for a team that's trying

1237
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: to contend for a title next year, and he is

1238
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:22,479
Speaker 1: an ideal compliment next to Irving and Durant. I'm also

1239
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: intrigued by Harry Giles, Like, I think he is a

1240
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,439
Speaker 1: dude that was like I think at one point coming

1241
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: out of high school, maybe he was the best player

1242
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: in his class. And then obviously had injury history, missed

1243
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: his entire rookie season, and then last year the Kings

1244
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: declined his fourth year option, which means he's an unrestricted

1245
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: free agent this year. He's still young, and like there

1246
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: were some times this year where I was watched him,

1247
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he's pretty good. Like he was

1248
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: a nice, like sort of versatile big can do things

1249
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: on both ends of the floor. I think he sort

1250
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: of can be, you know, long and disruptive defensively. I

1251
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: think for him, like he's got to be able to

1252
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: shoot some threes, Like he's got to be able to

1253
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: step out and and shoot threes, especially if he if

1254
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: he wants to sort of be the more versatile kind

1255
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: of big that you would expect a guy who could

1256
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: play four or five, like play five on a second unit,

1257
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: play four, you know, if you've got a bigger five.

1258
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of curious is to see what happens

1259
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: with him. Like, he's got he's got some talent, he's

1260
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: got some bounce, he's a he's a guy that you know,

1261
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: has fallen pretty hard since where he was, but I

1262
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: think has the ability to bounce back up. And obviously

1263
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: it would be you know, with with all these guys

1264
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: on the Kings, it would be interesting to see them

1265
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: in an environment that's not a team with the second

1266
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: longest playoff drought in in NBA history.

1267
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be nice, also wicked to have a

1268
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 3: guy I named Harry balling out. Not a lot of

1269
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 3: Harry's that I can remember in NBA history, you.

1270
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: Know, Harry Gallatin or something like that.

1271
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, I just looked it up. Harry Gallaton

1272
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 3: aka the horse akaa, the Farmer, Harry Gallaton from Illinois, Roxanna, Illinois.

1273
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 3: I wonder if Trade Trade Kirby's dad knows him or

1274
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 3: something like that. Yeah, I guess he is a Hall

1275
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 3: of Famer nineteen ninety one, he went in played for

1276
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 3: the Bullets and the Knicks. So yeah, we need another

1277
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 3: great Harry in our lives. So Harry Giles would be nice. Okay,

1278
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 3: let's wrap it up like this, true, what's your boldest

1279
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 3: free agency prediction? Here? You can go anywhere you want

1280
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 3: with this. Give us something spicy.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I have anything, but I do

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Speaker 1: think the trade market will be spicier than the free

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Speaker 1: agency market.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: You know, with guys like obviously Chris Paul at the

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Speaker 1: top of the list as a potential trade, you know,

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Speaker 1: the fact that you know the Thunder parted ways with

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Speaker 1: Billy Donovan is a clear sign that they're going in

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Speaker 1: a different direction. Letting Gallinari walk is obviously an easier

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Speaker 1: thing to do than trading Chris Paul. But there's certainly

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Speaker 1: be some teams in the market, and if he goes

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Speaker 1: to Milwaukee, well then that becomes really really interesting if

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Speaker 1: they could put together a deal. And then you have

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Speaker 1: Oladipot as we mentioned, you have a holiday as we mentioned,

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Speaker 1: as a possible trade target for some of these teams.

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Speaker 1: So I just think the trade market's going to be

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Speaker 1: more interesting than the free agency market. I'm glad we

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Speaker 1: could dedicate an hour here.

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Speaker 3: To to the worst free agency class, exactly, exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of amazing that we've been able to talk

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Speaker 1: this long about this free agency free agent list. With

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Speaker 1: Mellow and Dwight Howard in the top.

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Speaker 3: One, we're still talking on these two guys. No, you're right,

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Speaker 3: you're right, Okay, So that your take is that just

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Speaker 3: we will see in serious some juicy trade, some big

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Speaker 3: names at least being moved around.

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Speaker 1: I think, well, obviously there's a potential for that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, trading a guy with a that's making

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Speaker 1: forty million dollars is a lot easier said than done.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the potential is there for some teams, especially

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Speaker 1: just with I think next year is going to be

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Speaker 1: wide open. So, like you know, like the Lakers aren't

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Speaker 1: unbeatable whatsoever, and the East was obviously wide open, and

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Speaker 1: the Nets are an unknown so and the Warriors are

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Speaker 1: coming back, but they're obviously missing a big piece from

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Speaker 1: the last time they won. So I think things will

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Speaker 1: be wide open, and things will teams will want to

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Speaker 1: go for it, and they're a way to go for

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Speaker 1: it is to make a trade and shuffle the deck.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the six has traded one of their

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Speaker 2: big names.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think they got to give

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Speaker 1: Dac a chance to let those two guys work together.

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Speaker 1: But they, you know, if they've got to do everything

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Speaker 1: they can to get off of the Horford contract. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've yeah, he's been one of my favorite players in

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Speaker 1: the last several years. But they just need so they

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Speaker 1: it's a tough question. I mean, even if even if

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Speaker 1: you just start with Embiid and Simmons, it's a tough deal,

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Speaker 1: Like are you playing two guys inside and three out?

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Speaker 1: Is Embiid out? Is Simmons out? Like it is? You know,

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Speaker 1: like the ideal is you put four shooters around or

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Speaker 1: four guys around one hub, right, both of those guys

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Speaker 1: should be a hub, not the the other. You know,

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Speaker 1: they're they're the hub aspect of it and not the shooting.

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Speaker 1: And the same thing with Horford. So that's why obviously

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Speaker 1: that didn't really work. So yeah, they're I think they

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Speaker 1: definitely give Doc a chance to to let those two

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Speaker 1: guys or a chance to see to shuffle the deck.

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Speaker 1: As far as how they play. The question is how

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Speaker 1: much can they shuffle the deck as far as the

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Speaker 1: supporting cast, right right, right?

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Speaker 3: And uh and if you can convince the Kings to

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Speaker 3: take Al Horford for buddy Heals, good luck with that.

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Speaker 3: But you know, maybe attach something to it and that

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01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 3: intrigues them enough, especially if they, like you already talked

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Speaker 3: about it. They're like, well, we got too many damn guards. Sure,

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Speaker 3: let's bring in old vet Al Horford. And again they

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Speaker 3: would have to I would think six would have to

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Speaker 3: attach a young prospect. I mean, I can't imagine they're

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Speaker 3: parting ways with Diable or something like that.

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Speaker 1: How many how many years in a row has Horford

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Speaker 1: been to the playoffs? That'd be a.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, it would be the JJ Redick situation. Yeah right, right,

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Speaker 3: right right. Well I hadn't thought about that. Yeah, he

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Speaker 3: must have. He's been there all because, right he.

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Speaker 4: Was at Boston.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the went every year for five years, I guess,

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Speaker 2: and then I think.

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Speaker 1: Going to three, four, five, six, six straight. So since

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen twenty fourteen was the last time he missed

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Speaker 1: Oh wow.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was longer than that. If I'm being honest,

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Speaker 3: all right, we will see shoe, thank you. So much

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Speaker 3: man from jumping on here. You're right. I can't believe

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01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 3: we went an hour plus on the on this article.

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01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 3: It probably took you ten minutes to whip together. But

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate where can Where can people follow you?

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Speaker 3: What's the easiest way? Shoe? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Twitter, j O h N S C h U h

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Speaker 1: M A n N that's the German spelling.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, second second Schumann.

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Speaker 3: I can't stand your name. I love saying it, I

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01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 3: hate writing it. I have to check every time I

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01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 3: go to spell your name. I'm the second H is

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Speaker 3: kind of rare.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's probably more more people out there with with

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Speaker 1: only the first age. Yeah, unless you go around Louisville.

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Speaker 1: If you do a little Facebook search of Schumann with

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Speaker 1: the second H, and you'll see a lot of people

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Speaker 1: around the city of Louisville.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay, good hashtag will actually be there on

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01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 3: the spelling of the name. Have you played? I'm sure

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01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 3: the answer is no, because you're you're not an idiot,

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01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 3: but you've been at least staying busy getting some shots

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01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 3: up on some sort of net shoe Like how's the

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01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 3: jumper look?

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01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: I have touched the basketball once. It's like three weeks ago,

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01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: there was a Sunday afternoon, I went to a park

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01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: and shot by myself and yeah, I miss indoor, my

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01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: indoor pick up run. Yeah, desperately.

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Speaker 3: But it sucks.

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01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know it. It's like, yeah, every you know,

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01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: we were sort of limiting living in this new reality

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01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: and trying to make the most of it. But then

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01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: every once in a while you think, man, I haven't

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01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: played basketball since March.

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Speaker 3: It's depressing. Freaking sucks, but it really is. I know

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01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 3: there are a lot of more important things in the

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01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 3: world to worry about, but it is depressing. I'm sure

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01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 3: a lot of listeners are hoopers as well, and it's

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01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 3: it's tough not to have that. Lely, I know you're

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01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:43,759
Speaker 3: trying to get the odd shot up with your boys

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01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 3: out in the backyard or whatever in the driveway, but

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01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,719
Speaker 3: it's not the same as it just kicking their ass.

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01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we have a mini hoop in that that

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01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 2: I'm far in away on, but yeah, that's not the same.

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01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 2: But I'm surprised they've even got the hoops up the

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01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 2: hoopy shoe, because yeah, here in Atlanta, there's no hoops

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01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:58,719
Speaker 2: on any public outdoor rooms.

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01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: They put them back up up. They were down for

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01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: a while and then they put them back up. Like

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01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go play against anybody like, but here, you know,

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01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: you can find a park on the random afternoon that's empty,

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01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: especially me. I. I mean, I don't have a real job,

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01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: so I can go whenever, go in the middle of

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01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 1: the day. I've actually turned into more of a runner

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01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: than than a basketball play.

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01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 3: There you go, there you go.

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01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: It did my You'll be proud of me. It did

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01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: my longest run maybe of my life. The other day.

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Speaker 1: My last run was seven miles. In fact, I'm fixing

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01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 1: the go out right after we're done here. Wow, seven

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01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 1: miles ran more than an hour, which is seem that

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01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: you know, me from six months ago would be like,

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01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: that's just stupid.

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01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 3: Why would have So you've obviously hit the part where

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01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 3: you like, I assume like doing it now or you

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01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:46,679
Speaker 3: almost feel like you need to do it? Is that fair?

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01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, like I yeah, I mean,

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01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: once the season shut down in March, I was like,

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Speaker 1: all right, I guess I'm gonna exercise every day, and

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01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: then it becomes a habit, you know. I alternate the

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Speaker 1: runs with the regular workouts.

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Speaker 3: Good for you do you have a goal in mind,

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01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 3: like moving forward, Like, are you gonna try and run

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01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 3: a half minthon or something?

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01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 4: No?

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01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 1: No, I've done five ks and I guess I could

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01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 1: do a ten k now, like because I have that ability,

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01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: But no, I have no like I would do that.

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01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: The only reason I would care to do is, hey,

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01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: it's a charity thing and it's a local you know thing,

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01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: and of course we can't do that now it's all

1445
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, the virtual not you know stuff. So but

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01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I figured you'd be you'd be proud

1447
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,799
Speaker 1: of me running, very proud running five or six miles

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01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: every other day.

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01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 3: Are you listening to music, nothing, or podcasts while you're running?

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Speaker 1: Either music or podcasts. If I have if my pat,

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01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 1: if I'm backed up on my podcast, I'll listen to

1452
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: that and then otherwise I have a running mix that

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01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 1: I I listen to. I can't do the Flannery thing

1454
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: like that. Dude's just nuts. He listens to nothing. He runs.

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01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: He runs like fifty miles listening to absolutely nothing, and

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01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: I think it's incredible he is. He is just loooning.

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01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:03,719
Speaker 3: He's also like out the door at like four am

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01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 3: and it's like ten o'clock and he's been running for

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01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 3: six hours off in the woods. Like you said, like

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01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 3: the you know, elevation in fifty miles and you're like,

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01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 3: it's I mean, I'm a runner. That is next level

1462
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 3: stuff like it's uh, you know, it's meditation. I get

1463
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 3: that for some for you know, both male and female

1464
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 3: runners and stuff like that. But wow, guys, nuts, guys nuts.

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01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 3: All right, anyway, we're rambling now. Shoot, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: love you guys. Awesome.

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Speaker 3: Let's uh, let's put Schuman on the spot here filling

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Speaker 3: in for task. You got any wise words or some

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01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 3: weird quote for us to end this bad boy.

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Speaker 1: Oh good question. I'll just say this, if everybody's watching

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Speaker 1: on Big Pun Forever, I probly were you know. I

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Speaker 1: didn't drop any tasty puns on this podcast, but I'm

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Speaker 1: wearing I am wearing my Big Pun podcast, my Big

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Speaker 3: Embrace the day of people. You could say every day

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