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Speaker 1: I A yeah, uh huh uh. Podcast number three. How
Speaker 1: the time does fly? Sure does. By the time you
Speaker 1: listen to this, Garrison and I will have just had
Speaker 1: the best meal that we're going to have. Oh god, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's tomorrow for us still, but we're still we're very
Speaker 1: excited about Morimoto, which is a fantastic Every year we
Speaker 1: have a very special dinner just them and me and
Speaker 1: a couple of friends who will remain anonymous because people
Speaker 1: get weird on the internet.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it is literally the highlight of my year. Sometimes
Speaker 3: it does keep me going. Actually really gives me a
Speaker 3: lot of power. Some of the best tacos I've ever
Speaker 3: had in my life, so good.
Speaker 4: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Anyway, ah, we're just thinking about delicious food. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about the dead eyed ghoul we met. Oh wait, no,
Speaker 1: we're doing yet. We met a dead eyed ghul that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna spoil now, real monster like real, real, real
Speaker 1: evil vibes, like if this guy as soon as I
Speaker 1: met him, shook his hand, like, oh if you get
Speaker 1: if this guy gets power, you're going to be responsible
Speaker 1: for a lot of death and suffering.
Speaker 3: I mean speaking of he will.
Speaker 1: He's just not that talented. He wishes, but you never
Speaker 1: know where these guys are gonna end up.
Speaker 3: Speaking of sad evil Uh, Twitter X everything appy, that's
Speaker 3: what people are calling it. They gave a keynote which
Speaker 3: was very sad.
Speaker 1: The CEO Lindah Linda really jakerino about Twitter for a
Speaker 1: while oh so bad.
Speaker 3: So they started by talking about how Facebook meta has
Speaker 3: has copied Twitter's like fact checking policy of actually not
Speaker 3: having real fact checks. Yes, now maybe has actually kind
Speaker 3: of failed as an industry, but for you know, our
Speaker 3: problems perhaps with fact checking very different from these people's problems,
Speaker 3: and the fact now that that Facebook is walking away
Speaker 3: from actual, like genuine like fact checks against like just
Speaker 3: disinformation misinformation and parting ways with like using like legacy
Speaker 3: media a lets to verify information because those media aulets
Speaker 3: are too political quote unquote, and instead is copying the
Speaker 3: the current X model of free speech and specifically saying
Speaker 3: like there's been way too much censorship on gender issues.
Speaker 1: Now you can comment that women are a piece of property.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think specifically this is this is
Speaker 3: like trans like no, no, no stuff too.
Speaker 1: One of the things that is specific exemption now is
Speaker 1: that you can now refer to women as if they
Speaker 1: are property on Facebook.
Speaker 3: This is the future of communication, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank god, Linda is really blazing a trail for
Speaker 1: women everywhere.
Speaker 3: Linda was very excited about that, and they u Yakarino
Speaker 3: about that for like a good a good ten minutes
Speaker 3: about how you know this is this is where we're
Speaker 3: really entering a new era of free speech and social media.
Speaker 3: And then she got asked a question about how much
Speaker 3: ex Twitter, the everything app will will take a part
Speaker 3: in Elon Musk's plans for the Department of Government Efficiency DOGE,
Speaker 3: And this got the the first applause of the panel.
Speaker 3: It applause only happens two times during the DOGE section.
Speaker 3: Was the first like you know, room, room starts clapping moment,
Speaker 3: everyone goes crazy.
Speaker 1: How many minutes in was that?
Speaker 3: Oh maybe it was like maybe like maybe like twelve
Speaker 3: thirteen minutes?
Speaker 5: People?
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, I had to had to be intentional here.
Speaker 1: This is not like they were just overdue for class.
Speaker 3: No no no talked about Vivek talked about, you know,
Speaker 3: elon turning to Twitter, X the everything app for like
Speaker 3: suggestions on which government agencies to get rid of.
Speaker 1: I hope we get rid of the A t F.
Speaker 3: So so that that was.
Speaker 1: Machine guns mandatory? Why not at this point, right, it
Speaker 1: can only help, It can only help. Look, if we
Speaker 1: learned anything from a thing, I'm not going to specify
Speaker 1: that happened late last year. More suppressors is always handy.
Speaker 3: The second thing that got applause was what they talked
Speaker 3: about next, was about you know, everyone's everyone's turning to
Speaker 3: x Twitter everything everything app for information now and and
Speaker 3: and Twitter x everything app played a crucial part in
Speaker 3: bringing to light the Muslim rape gang story in the
Speaker 3: UK and how that was so important for saving children
Speaker 3: and we have to we have to post more, not less.
Speaker 3: And like this was the other thing that got massive
Speaker 3: applau was talking about the rape gangs.
Speaker 1: People love rape gangs, people love rape gangs. That that
Speaker 1: was a pretty good Star Trek episode.
Speaker 3: That was Tasrir's Planet with the rape gangs, one of
Speaker 3: one of the more black pilling things.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a very good Star Trek episode.
Speaker 3: It's also not a good Track episode. I was referring
Speaker 3: to the panel, not the Trek episode. But that was
Speaker 3: the other thing that got massive applause is it's like
Speaker 3: save the children type rhetoric and you know, saying, you know,
Speaker 3: like as a mother, it's it's so important that the
Speaker 3: more people post about this problem. That was the two
Speaker 3: big applause moments. But I think in general, this this
Speaker 3: whole panel was trying to like, you know, demonstrate how
Speaker 3: symbiotic a new Trump presidency and Elon Musk's.
Speaker 1: Twitter this is a line, this is a tap from
Speaker 1: the Trump presidency.
Speaker 3: This is how you talk to the new government. Like,
Speaker 3: this is how you talk to all of these new people,
Speaker 3: all these new cabinet members. They're all on Twitter. They're
Speaker 3: all talking on Twitter. This is this is how you
Speaker 3: stay connected to the new government.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I want thing I'm curious about, so that
Speaker 1: this is the thing that happened the last set of
Speaker 1: Nazis that gained power in a country in a big way,
Speaker 1: the German ones. There was this common attitude of like
Speaker 1: if only Hitler knew because Nazi policies didn't help the
Speaker 1: people that were supposed to help. They hurt a lot
Speaker 1: of people, like they were just bad at everything, like
Speaker 1: fascists tend to be. And there was this attitude that like, well,
Speaker 1: Hitler can't know, like the fact that, like we the
Speaker 1: country's been handed over the gangsters who were continuing to
Speaker 1: hurt the people Hitler promised to help. He must not
Speaker 1: be aware, like if he knew, he would fix it,
Speaker 1: only he knew. So I'm wondering how that's going to
Speaker 1: play in here. As Trump's policies continue to hurt the
Speaker 1: people who a lot of the people who voted from,
Speaker 1: not the rich people who voted for him, but the
Speaker 1: people who like flipped between him and Biden or whatever, Like,
Speaker 1: those folks are going to get fucked like the rest
Speaker 1: of us. And I kind of wonder if they're going
Speaker 1: to if there's going to be what win the blowback
Speaker 1: against X the everything app will happen, right, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: as people are like either I'm being or him being
Speaker 1: called like a retard by Elon Musk for complaining that,
Speaker 1: like Elon Musk tweets it and randomly to people when
Speaker 1: they make very valid critiques of the ship that he's doing.
Speaker 1: Like that's literally what he's calling. He's saying it like
Speaker 1: every day, like constantly. I'm not I'm not using it
Speaker 1: as a slur. That's just the term he's using. If
Speaker 1: they comment that like their fucking medicaid got cut because
Speaker 1: Trump put doctor Oz in charge of it, and Elon
Speaker 1: Musk calls them like, you know, a slur, what does
Speaker 1: that do to you?
Speaker 5: Like they like, I don't even know.
Speaker 1: I don't even have any more intelligent than like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder what that does to Twitter's bottom line?
Speaker 3: Ye, I mean yeah, I'm not sure if they care anymore.
Speaker 3: I mean. Something else Linda talked about is how Twitter's
Speaker 3: the only place for independent news to spread. And as
Speaker 3: both of us have, you know, worked in the independent
Speaker 3: journalism minds nothing nothing spreads on Twitter anymore.
Speaker 1: No, as long if it's news, it doesn't. The only
Speaker 1: thing that spreads is Yeah, like the shit that makes
Speaker 1: people very angry but keeps them on the site, like articles, videos,
Speaker 1: If it takes you off site, it doesn't.
Speaker 3: See. Yeah, the things that go viral and get spread
Speaker 3: is like encouraging racial bias, yes, s pogrooms essentially.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is what happened last year in the UK,
Speaker 1: and they're sure trying to do it again.
Speaker 3: I mean, I I think some of someone's some of
Speaker 3: what she's referencing is, you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: like throttling attentionally of you know people on maybe our proclivities,
Speaker 3: and there is a degree of boosting for more you know,
Speaker 3: centrist or right wing journalists. And maybe that's that's some
Speaker 3: of some of what they could be kind of more
Speaker 3: more referring to there, But you know it was it
Speaker 3: was a short keynote, only thirty minutes. Just the two
Speaker 3: things that got applause are doge.
Speaker 1: Well Linda doesn't know that many words, so they really
Speaker 1: need to keep it under thirty minutes.
Speaker 3: And literally Muslim rape gangs. Is you know this this
Speaker 3: type of like like very very gross racial fear mongering,
Speaker 3: and those are the things that like lit up the room.
Speaker 1: You know, we all want there to be an after
Speaker 1: where there's even the minimal degree of accountability that happened
Speaker 1: after the Nazis. But like what I try to in
Speaker 1: my darker moments is like, well that's another person who
Speaker 1: like really made the argument of like what needs to
Speaker 1: happen when this ends? Because it's just I want to
Speaker 1: hurt people. My business is enabling harm. I want to
Speaker 1: get mobs in the street, beating migrants. Like that's Linda's business.
Speaker 1: That's the business she has willfully attached herself to. And
Speaker 1: we should all see that. It's very important to not
Speaker 1: stop talking about it like what it is. These people
Speaker 1: are trying to cause racial violence, and they are trying
Speaker 1: to cause gendered violence, and they are trying to cause
Speaker 1: harm at scale to communities of people that they see
Speaker 1: financial profit in damaging, well in other uplifting c es ues,
Speaker 1: cool stuff. I love the Consumer Electronics Show.
Speaker 3: Actually, I think it might be time for an ad break.
Speaker 1: Speaking of damaging communities of people, right, there's a chance, yeah, ads,
Speaker 1: Oh well we're back. Boy, I'm so glad that those
Speaker 1: ads told me that Fragaccio Blow is touring with Bono.
Speaker 1: I never thought they'd do it, but boy howdy, and
Speaker 1: they're singing each other's song, so you know, that's really exciting.
Speaker 1: It's like when Barbara did Selene.
Speaker 3: I don't know who Barbara or Selene is, but that's,
Speaker 3: oh my god, that's cool. Robert Luckily, I do know
Speaker 3: what SKA is. I consider myself a day of culture,
Speaker 3: and for tonight, me and Robert attended this kind of
Speaker 3: like side event at CEES called Showstoppers. And as you
Speaker 3: walk around the CEES floor, there's a lot of frankly garbage.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of just like mostly garbage stuff that
Speaker 3: you or stuff.
Speaker 1: That like you're just not interested in because you're literally
Speaker 1: buying like screens from a manufacturer in China. Like it's
Speaker 1: like that which is not the business you're into, because
Speaker 1: some of this stuff has meant for companies so.
Speaker 3: Much floor space, Like there's like I we walked.
Speaker 1: Twenty Town that I spent the first seven years of
Speaker 1: my life in is smaller than one of the room CEU.
Speaker 3: It's across like three hotels and a massive convention center.
Speaker 1: Ninety thousand people come into town for this thing.
Speaker 3: It could be hard to like see everything you want to. Now,
Speaker 3: what's colo about Showstoppers, this is the side event at
Speaker 3: the Bellaggio is that basically it's a room full of
Speaker 3: kind of all the coolest stuff, a whole bunch of
Speaker 3: stuff that has one SEES innovation awards all packed into
Speaker 3: one room with food and alcohol. So oh boy, did I.
Speaker 1: Order free food and free alcohol?
Speaker 3: So many drinks that I then just left on tables,
Speaker 3: and it.
Speaker 1: Always pretty good food, pretty good food.
Speaker 3: So we walked around show stoppers and there was a
Speaker 3: number of pretty pretty cool stuff that we saw. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I think I think it's maybe time to talk
Speaker 3: about the saddest, the saddest man.
Speaker 1: The villain, the villain, the villain of the episode and
Speaker 1: of our this year's cees. I have trouble. Can you
Speaker 1: bring up their name? Because I'm gonna want to get
Speaker 1: this right, so we could be dangerous. But we had
Speaker 1: neither of us had eaten and I had had like
Speaker 1: a hot dog eight hours ago and walked literally nineteen
Speaker 1: thousand steps and also done forty minutes of push ups
Speaker 1: in between, so I was starving. So we we like
Speaker 1: shovel food into our faces and we turn the first
Speaker 1: booth we see is called open Droid, Open Droid or
Speaker 1: open droids droids. Yes, it did. There is an s
Speaker 1: Open Droids and it's like kind of Star Wars. He
Speaker 1: font it is and I did ask them if you
Speaker 1: know they had any issues with Lucasfilm. Apparently not yet
Speaker 1: sue them. Lucasfilm, by the way, sue these kids.
Speaker 3: I know there's people who work for Lucasfilm who listened to.
Speaker 1: This crush them, burn them like Los Angeles is burning
Speaker 1: down as we see.
Speaker 3: They had a giant sign that said.
Speaker 5: R two D three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the name of the robot that they're selling.
Speaker 1: And the robot, the robot that they're selling is like
Speaker 1: a an AI enabled hold helping slash like retail, you know,
Speaker 1: like you know robot where it basically is like a
Speaker 1: human torso with articulated arms and pincher hands on. And
Speaker 1: then the base is like a little tank. Basically it's
Speaker 1: got like treads or wheels and it rolls its wheels. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then the torso there's like a tall maybe six
Speaker 1: foot tall like pillar built into this like rolling base
Speaker 1: that the torso slides up and down on. And this
Speaker 1: was their way of not making like what Musk is
Speaker 1: trying to do, right, a humanoid robot where you have
Speaker 1: to figure out like knees and balance and stuff. It's
Speaker 1: like no or like Boston Dynamics wheels, right, wheels are cheap.
Speaker 1: It a roll It works in most situations, you know.
Speaker 1: And then but you still have the ability for it
Speaker 1: to articulate and go up higher or go down lower.
Speaker 1: Like something that can crouch, but it's much simpler, you
Speaker 1: don't have to deal with nearly as much. And so
Speaker 1: I saw that, I'm like, oh, well, that's at least
Speaker 1: somebody who's thinking about, like how do we make something
Speaker 1: like this like more affordable and less complicated, les to
Speaker 1: fuck up. And so I start talking with one of
Speaker 1: the co founders of the company, who is an Indian
Speaker 1: guy in his forties something around that he had like
Speaker 1: gray hair, he'd clearly he said he'd spent twenty years
Speaker 1: in robotics. Very nice guy, you know. I brought up
Speaker 1: that I thought the design was interesting, and he was
Speaker 1: very much specifying, like, here's the things we didn't do
Speaker 1: because they were too difficult, too inefficient. You know, this
Speaker 1: is what we're thinking of. This is a machine that
Speaker 1: can fold laundry. This is a machine that can do dishes.
Speaker 1: This is a machine. And he was very much specifying
Speaker 1: and the way he phrases like, these are undesirable tasks
Speaker 1: people don't want to do, and this is a robot
Speaker 1: that can handle those for like small businesses or for households.
Speaker 1: And we do see this as eventually like a you know,
Speaker 1: something like this we want to have in households, but
Speaker 1: he was more focused on small businesses, and he was
Speaker 1: again very focused on this is a thing that will
Speaker 1: do undesirable tasks for people, right, And as I started
Speaker 1: asking more questions, at a certain point, I got foisted
Speaker 1: off to the co founder of the company.
Speaker 3: Is it the co founder or is it just like
Speaker 3: another one of their rests.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm assuming co founder because I think it's
Speaker 1: just a couple of guys, but maybe I'm not about Sorry,
Speaker 1: I got foisted over to the other of the two guys.
Speaker 1: There were two guys there, right, I'm not sure because
Speaker 1: they don't have listed any where what their role in
Speaker 1: the company is. I got a co founder's vibe from them.
Speaker 1: That's how it seemed to be to me, at least
Speaker 1: in terms of like the way these two were talking.
Speaker 1: But I don't know the scope of the open Droid's company.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a lot more there, but these were the
Speaker 1: two guys who were they're talking to us. So one
Speaker 1: of them is this very wonky engineer who's been at
Speaker 1: this a long time and was really focused on the
Speaker 1: nuts and bolts details and wanted to build a robot
Speaker 1: that could handle unpleasant tasks for human beings, right, the
Speaker 1: same thing we've all been wanting to see. So at
Speaker 1: this point I'm like, this could work. Maybe this is
Speaker 1: a viable product. Right. The second guy, Jack j Jessenowski,
Speaker 1: So he is wearing what Gryson described as a Jordan
Speaker 1: Peterson suit because it is half purple. Is a face
Speaker 1: suit split down the motherfucking middle.
Speaker 3: With like like new age hippie like necklaces, five necklacesla
Speaker 3: five necklaces. He had pants with like like embroidered flowers
Speaker 3: on those.
Speaker 1: And like a nose bridge, like it looked like one
Speaker 1: of those things you put in your nose.
Speaker 3: That was one of the other things at showstoppers. There
Speaker 3: was a company that was doing that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he had want to be Steve Jobs vibes
Speaker 1: from his half unbuttoned shirt and like many many spiritual
Speaker 1: medallions to his like Jordan Peterson's suit, and very much
Speaker 1: just that. Like I am the charismatic founder and what
Speaker 1: I bring to the table. My partner knows how to
Speaker 1: build robots. I'm charismatic. I'm Jack j Jessanowski, and Jack
Speaker 1: and I started talking, and boy howdy, we had us
Speaker 1: a conversation and I think we're just gonna play that.
Speaker 1: What do I need to do to set this up?
Speaker 3: No, I think you've set it up. We walk up
Speaker 3: to Jack, I start, I start recording, and we start
Speaker 3: talking about the robot, and then things spin in some
Speaker 3: pretty interesting directions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So what is this thing useful for?
Speaker 6: Well, generally capable, just like a human can reach to
Speaker 6: the floor and reach up high to a cupboard, go
Speaker 6: up and down.
Speaker 5: That's what we made this for.
Speaker 6: Obviously in a little bit of a different fashion because
Speaker 6: most surfaces are level.
Speaker 5: We don't need to reinvent the wheel.
Speaker 6: And the biggest market that we're going after is households.
Speaker 6: Domestic dishes, laundry, make the bed, clean up around the house,
Speaker 6: eventually cooking. That's more fine tuned, you know, dishes and
Speaker 6: laundry is really that first task that is.
Speaker 5: Gonna be fully autonomous.
Speaker 6: Obviously from a folding standpoint and cooking standpoint, you can
Speaker 6: do tele operation today, so can use cheaper labor internationally
Speaker 6: through a robot, but full autonomous is coming very quickly,
Speaker 6: like Jensen talked about recently.
Speaker 7: So I see there's a lot of folks in the
Speaker 7: robot space that are trying robots based on the human form, right,
Speaker 7: you guys have not gone that route.
Speaker 1: Talk to me about that droid form.
Speaker 6: Yes, Well, as we know, robots didn't evolve from monkeys,
Speaker 6: and so we have an ability to reimagine them. All
Speaker 6: of the existing hardware we use in the world has
Speaker 6: wheels for a reason. It just works better. It's easier,
Speaker 6: there's less friction. That means there's less maintenance. That means
Speaker 6: there's less energy output. It's efficiency. It's also easier for
Speaker 6: us to manufacture that stuff at scale. So I think
Speaker 6: long term, do robots all have legs?
Speaker 5: Yeah, more or less.
Speaker 6: The home robot does turn into the leg robot because
Speaker 6: then it can with you in the car everything.
Speaker 5: But I think the early.
Speaker 6: Stages the wheels, because of their cheaperness, because of their reliability.
Speaker 6: I think that will be what wins early stage. That's
Speaker 6: where we started here.
Speaker 7: Because the robot can go in the car with you.
Speaker 7: What do you see people wanting to have a robot
Speaker 7: in the car with them for?
Speaker 5: I think it will just become basically the same way.
Speaker 6: If you have enough money, a lot of people afford
Speaker 6: like an assistant to come with them places.
Speaker 7: It's because that seems like a niche market compared to household.
Speaker 3: I think it's the barrier.
Speaker 6: I think is because of the the cost and then
Speaker 6: the humanness.
Speaker 5: Like then you have to care for another human.
Speaker 6: And whereas in this case it's kind of all positive sum.
Speaker 6: And yeah, I guess it's wrong to try to say
Speaker 6: majority of people.
Speaker 5: But anyone who's you know in media, you.
Speaker 6: Know they videographer will be something you use a robot
Speaker 6: for to follow you around and take media and film
Speaker 6: for you.
Speaker 5: They won't get.
Speaker 6: Tired and say, go grab me a drink or you know,
Speaker 6: go figure that thing out.
Speaker 7: But it also can't decide, oh, that's actually not a
Speaker 7: good location to film from.
Speaker 1: It's not going to look as good.
Speaker 7: We need to get over here, or we need another
Speaker 7: camera on this side here, we need to get like
Speaker 7: different angles because we're going to want to edit this
Speaker 7: together into a thing. And as a videographer, I'm not
Speaker 7: just a machine. I'm a part of a collaborative creative enterprise.
Speaker 6: I think we're starting to see just how artistic these
Speaker 6: ais can be.
Speaker 1: What's the best example of that using.
Speaker 6: Well, I think the most used thing is this the
Speaker 6: Jenai art And then you have some of the new
Speaker 6: video models are pretty cool and they're using certain sort
Speaker 6: of zoom in shots everything. I think they'll make just
Speaker 6: as good of movies as humans. Oh, I think the
Speaker 6: best reference in order to actually say that that's possible
Speaker 6: is music. I don't know if you've played with the
Speaker 6: most recent AI music. There's song GBT dot com.
Speaker 7: I've heard some things people call music that are produced
Speaker 7: by that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can make.
Speaker 5: One live right now that.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you've heard like the latest models,
Speaker 6: pick me a genre.
Speaker 1: Irish spiritualist Scott. If you try Scott too, you.
Speaker 6: Love SKA is like definitely probably niche stuff is where
Speaker 6: it's gonna have a harder time, But sk s KA.
Speaker 5: I wonder how much SKA data there is out there.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of SKA music out there.
Speaker 5: What should we make it about? Should we make it
Speaker 5: about iHeart radio?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 8: iHeartRadio and communication and clear channel communications? All right, it's
Speaker 8: here a scaw song. We're like, oh, it has to
Speaker 8: load for like thirty seconds.
Speaker 6: It feels weirdly like I'm upset that I have to
Speaker 6: wait that long for something to load online.
Speaker 9: It feels to you, huh, yeah, I guys what they're
Speaker 9: playing with it a lot, But It's funny to think
Speaker 9: about how much time and effort it does take to
Speaker 9: like produce a song typically I am twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting, wouldn't I guess that?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 4: Uh is it?
Speaker 7: One thing that's really compelling to me is your partner.
Speaker 7: When I came in here was very very much talking
Speaker 7: about the utility of this in terms of replacing human
Speaker 7: beings and tasks that are generally unpleasant laundry, doing the dishes,
Speaker 7: cleaning up trash. You seem a lot more bullish on
Speaker 7: robots replacing human beings and what are generally considered to
Speaker 7: be enterprises people want to do.
Speaker 1: With their time.
Speaker 7: Is that like a discrepancy that that you guys have
Speaker 7: kind of talked about or do you think it's something
Speaker 7: you guys are more on the same page with stuff.
Speaker 6: From a business standpoint, we're one hundred percent going after
Speaker 6: the dishes, laundry, uh, nursing practice of.
Speaker 5: Just doing vitals, which is the very repetitive task. That's
Speaker 5: the push. I was starting to just talk into.
Speaker 6: The aspect of the legged robots and kind of imagining
Speaker 6: why a legged version would have better utility or be
Speaker 6: something someone wants to purchase. Scared rather than the wheeled
Speaker 6: robot an yow stairs is definitely a.
Speaker 5: Big one of those.
Speaker 6: There are wheel types we're working on right now, would
Speaker 6: have ability to climb like single stairs obviously easiest, and
Speaker 6: that's what most people have in their home if they
Speaker 6: do have stairs.
Speaker 1: Oh, are we gonna listen to some robots?
Speaker 5: Scott my heart listeners system.
Speaker 4: Stop? Crazy's a scarf.
Speaker 1: It's a pretty basic melody.
Speaker 7: I mean, there's horns in it, but I feel like
Speaker 7: it's kind of takes in a I think it Helia
Speaker 7: is trying to do pot that it's just thrown some
Speaker 7: horns in on. This is a little closer to SCA,
Speaker 7: although it's still Yeah, it's not really singing, but I
Speaker 7: guess that's a matter of pace.
Speaker 1: What do you listen to?
Speaker 5: This is the worst that's going to be.
Speaker 3: I hear that a lot.
Speaker 7: It's interesting because GPT four took fifty times as much
Speaker 7: power as GPT three to train, and there's a lot
Speaker 7: of mixed reactions on that. And we're entering into a
Speaker 7: period where we're very likely looking at a recession venture
Speaker 7: capital funding.
Speaker 1: There's a chance it's not going to be what it
Speaker 1: has been.
Speaker 7: Is that concern you at all that, like this vaunted
Speaker 7: next level for all of this stuff, the energy cost,
Speaker 7: the investment cost is just not going to be borne
Speaker 7: by a market that is not going to be as
Speaker 7: strong tomorrow as it was today.
Speaker 1: At least in the immediator.
Speaker 6: I think even if we created no more energy as
Speaker 6: a human species today, the amount of advanced once we
Speaker 6: create would from an architectural standpoint, continue to advance.
Speaker 5: So you have other models.
Speaker 6: Like I think LAMA three point three, which has matched
Speaker 6: four oh's capabilities and is I forget how many parameters,
Speaker 6: but like super like much much much smaller and was
Speaker 6: much cheaper to train, and like we're continuing to see
Speaker 6: like smaller models that are just as effective and we're
Speaker 6: much cheaper training runs. I think Deep Seek was one
Speaker 6: of the newest ones.
Speaker 7: What I'm what I'm concerned about is I'm looking at
Speaker 7: the p and L right, I'm looking at open AI's PNL.
Speaker 7: I'm looking at the fact that they're losing five or
Speaker 7: six billion dollars last year and we're very good chance
Speaker 7: it's going to.
Speaker 1: Be somewhere in the neighborhood to double that this year.
Speaker 7: And I'm it's not that there's nothing impressive there it's
Speaker 7: not that I don't see like, oh, you can generate
Speaker 7: a song that's got like guitar and and and trumpets
Speaker 7: and vocals and stuff and you know a minute or so.
Speaker 1: It's not that that's not.
Speaker 7: Impressive, but like a pilier trick, isn't a trillion dollar business,
Speaker 7: And that's the kind of investment they're looking at. And
Speaker 7: I do wonder like, is it not much more reasonable
Speaker 7: to focus on folding laundry?
Speaker 6: Well, obviously, I personally am in the the boathouse of
Speaker 6: focusing on allowing this intelligence to flourish and doing these
Speaker 6: laborious tasks and getting them in the households. I do
Speaker 6: think from opening eye standpoint, and the reason why vcs
Speaker 6: and private investors will value them so highly is what's
Speaker 6: next is white collar work.
Speaker 5: A lot of the jobs online. That's what they do.
Speaker 6: Have an internal model which is able to control the computer,
Speaker 6: you know, the same way you would ask an executive
Speaker 6: assistant to do certain things online.
Speaker 5: Now it's just.
Speaker 7: Jobey's handing along all of their emails now through AI,
Speaker 7: which is you know, we'll see how.
Speaker 1: Well that works on the long term.
Speaker 7: There's been some interesting pulling on like the degree to
Speaker 7: which customers and investors feel trust when somebody's responding to
Speaker 7: them with an AI. But what's interesting, I mean more
Speaker 7: here is the dichotomy between what I see here is
Speaker 7: a very pragmatic choice, which is, we're not going to
Speaker 7: try and remake a human being formed robot and.
Speaker 1: Deal with like knees and hips and all of that stuff.
Speaker 1: We don't need that.
Speaker 7: We can have its turn up and down on this
Speaker 7: platform and reach things the same way. Melded to what
Speaker 7: I consider to be kind of a little more pie
Speaker 7: in the sky. We're doing this as eventually something that
Speaker 7: can take creative roles and think independently and make things,
Speaker 7: which is it's interesting to me to see that in
Speaker 7: a company's DNA of what you guys are eight months
Speaker 7: out right now, yep, is that what you're more interested in?
Speaker 5: I'd say, I tailor my pitch to the person I'm
Speaker 5: talking to.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 6: So some people definitely enjoy thinking about more of the
Speaker 6: sci fi futures that are coming, for example, the droids
Speaker 6: building Droid's moment. It's when you know you are decreasing
Speaker 6: your own manufacturing costs by using your own hardware to
Speaker 6: build more of that hardware and parts are just being
Speaker 6: shipped into the factory.
Speaker 5: Obviously.
Speaker 6: I think the first fully automated phone factory just came
Speaker 6: out in China recently, which is like some cool press
Speaker 6: in news, but the phone is separate from the actual
Speaker 6: manufacturing process.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so there's that like interesting component.
Speaker 6: The exciting part of the idea that how do we
Speaker 6: reach true abundance as a species of material and resources
Speaker 6: is well, because GDP is a calculation of capita times productivity,
Speaker 6: a robot really represents capita one in it of creation.
Speaker 6: And I'd say that's where the sci fi thinking comes
Speaker 6: into play, and it's it's not not worth going there
Speaker 6: when just dreaming about the future robotics and talking about
Speaker 6: it and having an interesting, engaging conversation, But definitely when
Speaker 6: it comes to what are we doing from an engineering
Speaker 6: standpoint on the day to day and how are we
Speaker 6: trying to approach the market, those conversations are not at
Speaker 6: being had.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate your time and you gave me a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you get to the other peak. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to meet you.
Speaker 6: Jack.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's super interesting.
Speaker 1: I hope you all liked Jack Jay as much as
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 3: Getting to twenty seventy years old and not knowing what.
Speaker 1: Scott is that old. I thought he was much younger,
Speaker 1: like you thought he was like twenty two.
Speaker 3: Yes, but the fact that he like he didn't know
Speaker 3: what SKA was as a genre, he wasn't was unaware
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: I don't think he listens to music.
Speaker 3: Well, he listens to AI generated hess.
Speaker 1: To AI generated music, he's just as good.
Speaker 3: He has the most, he's the most. I listen to
Speaker 3: AI generated music vines. If anyone I've ever seen before,
Speaker 3: just very.
Speaker 1: Clearly does not have a soul. No, like like nothing,
Speaker 1: nothing would leave the universe.
Speaker 3: If he did, right, Like it's so opposite from the
Speaker 3: first guy you talked to, who was it so like about? No,
Speaker 3: I want to have smart, actual tasks that people don't enjoy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I love cinematography. I love I love filmmaking. I don't
Speaker 3: First of all, I don't think a robot can can
Speaker 3: replace this.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 1: I watched five different AI generated movies yesterday, and they
Speaker 1: all looked like shit, even like.
Speaker 3: A robot handling a physical camera to make like to
Speaker 3: make like choices on like shot framing and composition, and.
Speaker 1: Like it's one thing to be like, we want we
Speaker 1: have a race cargoing, and so we've got this robot
Speaker 1: on a track so we can go seventy miles an
Speaker 1: hour and we're just kind of running on a street.
Speaker 1: Follow it because a human being can move that. That's sure.
Speaker 1: One thing we've left out of this up so far.
Speaker 1: So this this machine that I described earlier, this robot
Speaker 1: that goes up and down this rolling base has a
Speaker 1: floppy Donald Trump mask over the over its head.
Speaker 3: Which first attracted us to this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why we showed up there in the.
Speaker 3: A robot moving its arms around wearing a Donald Trump mask.
Speaker 3: And as Robert was interviewing this guy, the robot was
Speaker 3: like moving around and like trying to simulate its washing
Speaker 3: dishes capability, and it knocked over the same water bottle
Speaker 3: about five times. It couldn't it couldn't pick it up consistently,
Speaker 3: So I will not trust it with my fine china.
Speaker 3: I'll say that.
Speaker 1: As soon as I got up there, I asked, like,
Speaker 1: I couldn't take my jacket off, now can it fold?
Speaker 1: And He's like, well, we'd have to reprogram it. And
Speaker 1: it was this when I talked to the guy, I
Speaker 1: was like because he was like, yeah, we really see
Speaker 1: this as being, you know, potentially good for elder care. Sure,
Speaker 1: and you know, we had just seen the product we
Speaker 1: talked about in the last episode, which, for all of
Speaker 1: it's I don't know that I think it'll work. Was
Speaker 1: a lot of thought and care went into it. I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, so, like, what work have you done
Speaker 1: to build a machine that can like communicate and be
Speaker 1: helpful to like people who are dealing with health issues
Speaker 1: in their their later years. And like, well that's why
Speaker 1: it's open right, someone else will Yeah, it's open sources.
Speaker 1: Someone else can do it.
Speaker 5: Part.
Speaker 1: See, you guys are just you guys are just saying
Speaker 1: it can do everything because somebody could potentially code something
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah cool, there always could be code.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there could be code. I mean again, the other guy,
Speaker 1: the actual engineer, seemed very interested in the nuts and
Speaker 1: bolts of making an affordable, reproducible machine that could handle
Speaker 1: specific tasks, and Jack Jay had absolutely no interest in
Speaker 1: the actual machine that they were making. This is clearly
Speaker 1: could not be clear. This is just a stepping stone,
Speaker 1: and he's kind of grossed out by it because it's
Speaker 1: not replacing all human art with a machine that he owns.
Speaker 3: He's a man completely fueled by Lex Friedman podcasts, and
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to actually do any real work. He
Speaker 3: just wants to talk about how AI is going to
Speaker 3: take over everything and we have to welcome it in
Speaker 3: and here listen to this is SKA.
Speaker 1: He wants to take money by owning something that does
Speaker 1: not provide anything and also put people out of work. Like,
Speaker 1: at no point did he express a desire to do
Speaker 1: anything other than replace something people were already doing with
Speaker 1: something worse that tech guys could profit from. That's all
Speaker 1: there is to this man. He's not a human.
Speaker 3: It's so anti human.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I cannot overemphasize the degree to which there was
Speaker 1: nothing behind this boy's eyes.
Speaker 3: Well, do you know what, there's also nothing super intelligent behind.
Speaker 1: That's not true. All of our ads are sponsored by
Speaker 1: real people, even if they're bad people, they're at least people.
Speaker 1: They live and they love and they hate and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they have a promo code.
Speaker 10: Let's see, all right, So after our lovely, Our Lovely Robotic.
Speaker 1: Jack j Jessanowski Adventure, Oh god, Also the SKA was
Speaker 1: Shiit not good? Not good? It did? It just kept
Speaker 1: saying the words Scott.
Speaker 3: He kept saying the word Scott music and saying the
Speaker 3: word Robert Robert Scott, well, just doing random noises. After
Speaker 3: we had our fill of that, we did walk around
Speaker 3: the rest of Showstoppers.
Speaker 1: He was so surprised that I wasn't. I wasn't impressed
Speaker 1: by any of the He was like, you must have
Speaker 1: heard the lady, man, I hear them.
Speaker 3: It's not good.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like I made this comparison a few times.
Speaker 1: If somebody like walked in while I'm at a house
Speaker 1: party was like, hey, man, I taught my dog to
Speaker 1: masturbate to pornography with its with its pause. I would
Speaker 1: be like, well, I mean that's like, I guess impressed.
Speaker 1: I didn't think a dog could do that. Like I
Speaker 1: am kind of impressed, I guess, But I don't want
Speaker 1: this like this, this doesn't do anything for me. It's
Speaker 1: you figured this out?
Speaker 3: What what value does this?
Speaker 1: How does the dog know who Farah Fawce it is?
Speaker 1: I have questions, sure, but it doesn't give me anything
Speaker 1: like no Farah Fauce it was Garrison.
Speaker 3: No, goddamn, what do you think I do?
Speaker 1: I don't know anymore?
Speaker 3: Well, what I did is walk around the rest of showstoppers.
Speaker 3: I saw this one booth that had like a like
Speaker 3: an iPhone case with like a little like keyboard on
Speaker 3: the bottom that like plugs in, and I started messing
Speaker 3: around with it, and the guy that booth walked up
Speaker 3: to me and made fun of me because he's like,
Speaker 3: you've never you've never held a phone with He literally said, like,
Speaker 3: you've never had a BlackBerry before, have you? Like no, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're typing all wrong.
Speaker 6: On that.
Speaker 1: There was a solid nine day news cycle when Barack Obama,
Speaker 1: newly the president, revealed that he had a BlackBerry.
Speaker 3: I remember that, which sounds like a lifetime There was a.
Speaker 1: Company called r im once and they made a tablet
Speaker 1: that was pretty good and we only made a couple
Speaker 1: of rim job jokes about it, but it didn't do
Speaker 1: very well, and so I gave it to my dad
Speaker 1: and accidentally there was still a picture of my dick
Speaker 1: on it. Anyway, that's a story for another day.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 1: These are the kind of things you get recording at
Speaker 1: eleven fifty six pm.
Speaker 3: And wet Tuesday, gott to get to bed, but no,
Speaker 3: he made fun of me for not knowing how to
Speaker 3: use a smartphone keyboard.
Speaker 1: He did the right thing.
Speaker 3: I don't need to use that because I have a
Speaker 3: keyboard on my phone built in already. It's much faster.
Speaker 3: So anyway, we stopped it at this company that makes
Speaker 3: well now just makes the software to use in conjunction
Speaker 3: with the augmented reality glasses and any like high powered laptop,
Speaker 3: specifically the laptops that have like built in like you know,
Speaker 3: like co pilots, because they require like higher processing power,
Speaker 3: they have an NPU or something like that, like a
Speaker 3: like an ampro processing unit is what they're calling AI
Speaker 3: dedicated GPU thing. Effectively, it allows you to hook up
Speaker 3: these glasses and run you know, possibly infinite amount of
Speaker 3: monitors using AR. And we talked about this company last
Speaker 3: year because we saw them a show stoppers.
Speaker 1: You put on the glasses and it's like you've got
Speaker 1: six monitors or whatever that are all full size, and.
Speaker 3: It's actually really easy to use.
Speaker 1: It works very well, seamlessly, it's nice.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's good quality, easy to use, you can
Speaker 3: move the monitors around.
Speaker 1: It's an excellent, excellent game.
Speaker 3: We talked to them last year and the main thing
Speaker 3: that was holding this like holding us back on it
Speaker 3: is that you needed to use their own proprietary lab.
Speaker 1: It was their own laptop, and it wasn't a great one.
Speaker 3: It was just like a Linux laptop. It didn't have
Speaker 3: everything like I want out of my own personal laptop.
Speaker 1: And we were still impressed with it.
Speaker 3: Then it was still it was so good. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: now you can just use any high power laptop with
Speaker 3: it essentially. So it's lovely to see that improved. We
Speaker 3: saw this lovely like like very small foldable projector.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was cool. What's the company? That company name,
Speaker 1: because we should be we should be giving out the name.
Speaker 3: Yes, the ar glasses and the software system is called
Speaker 3: spacetop very good by a company called Sightful. It works
Speaker 3: works great. But yeah, this this little folding folding projector
Speaker 3: currently has a kickstarter. The company is called aura Zen yeah,
Speaker 3: or as Zen specifically, it was the zip trifled projector.
Speaker 3: Right now. It's it's a seven to twenty p very
Speaker 3: small foldable projector. It has a whole it has like
Speaker 3: like an auto focusing auto keystone. They're working to get
Speaker 3: it up to ten DP, but they're running a kickstarter
Speaker 3: right now to ship in about three months. Super good
Speaker 3: quality stuff.
Speaker 1: If you're a gadget rishina, Like it felt like a
Speaker 1: quality piece of electronics in my hands, Like the way
Speaker 1: it like snapped when it closed just felt good. I'm
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna buy one like it's it's exactly
Speaker 1: what I want for traveling, which is the ability to
Speaker 1: it goes up to like eighty inches of screen and
Speaker 1: like very good resolution. The ability to just have that
Speaker 1: plugged in to a battery or the wall and my
Speaker 1: laptop and like wherever I happen to be, I've got
Speaker 1: a movie screen that I don't have to worry about
Speaker 1: the fucking hooking up a TV to my laptop or
Speaker 1: some shit.
Speaker 3: It doesn't need Wi Fi to work. It just can
Speaker 3: cast from from your phone.
Speaker 1: A u r ze and zip trifle projector Aura zen yep, yep.
Speaker 1: I think they're selling them for two fifty right now.
Speaker 3: That's for the for the Kickstarter.
Speaker 1: For the kickstart, it will go up a little one.
Speaker 1: That's a product. But we saw it. It works. They
Speaker 1: had a lot of they had tracking and stuff so
Speaker 1: it like automatically would focus on ship.
Speaker 3: Auto focuses and at like it scales correctly forwards, projecting
Speaker 3: it automatically like adjusts like the tilt of it so
Speaker 3: that it you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously this isn't the full review because we don't
Speaker 1: own one, but form everything we could tell by looking
Speaker 1: at it. In the moment we tried it out, I
Speaker 1: hooked up my phone to it.
Speaker 3: As I went to my phone screen, I realized I
Speaker 3: have a slightly I would say, artful flute image of
Speaker 3: an angel. I quickly swiped away from.
Speaker 1: We shouldn't show your dick to your damn my home.
Speaker 3: Screen of my phone. You know they're gonna worse.
Speaker 1: Things always be worse. But I think where will end is?
Speaker 1: And this actually is not entirely in order, because this
Speaker 1: is the next after we had that conversation with our
Speaker 1: friend Jack Jay, which just left me thinking about, like,
Speaker 1: some people aren't really people, right, That's what I kind
Speaker 1: the sole thing is.
Speaker 3: It is a sham. It's all. It's all for rooms.
Speaker 3: It's soulless.
Speaker 1: We immediately walk over and we just kind of like
Speaker 1: randomly turn a corner and there's like a human shin
Speaker 1: like tibia amphibia basically with like a carbon fiber you know,
Speaker 1: frame around it that's roughly the shape of like a
Speaker 1: person's lower leg, lower leg, and it's called bio leg.
Speaker 1: It's a powered microprocessor knee made in Japan, where it
Speaker 1: is a prosthetic, but unlike most prosthetics, it is powered
Speaker 1: and has a muscle built into it, so like when
Speaker 1: you lift up your prosthetic, it doesn't hang and it
Speaker 1: doesn't lock. It actually has a degree of motion and
Speaker 1: it feels like what lifts the rest of the leg
Speaker 1: what you're remaining muscles like it measures based on like
Speaker 1: it can like take measurements from them and it can
Speaker 1: act intelligently based on that. And I know that it
Speaker 1: works because the inventor was there and he was a
Speaker 1: man who was missing his leg below the knee and
Speaker 1: had built this for himself.
Speaker 3: You spent like ten years working on this, Yeah, eight years,
Speaker 3: he said.
Speaker 1: Eight years. And that's like really the thing that is
Speaker 1: like so both like addictive and also like this like
Speaker 1: very tonal whipless. You get at ces as you will
Speaker 1: go from like this dead eyed con man trying to
Speaker 1: scam the world so he can do god knows what
Speaker 1: kinds of other harms with absolutely nothing, nothing inside him
Speaker 1: at all, And then I lost my leg and I
Speaker 1: built a better prosthetic to help the entire world, and
Speaker 1: that's like thirty seconds between those two experiences.
Speaker 3: And like that's that's like the dark magic of cees.
Speaker 3: Like I don't like, I'm not like anti tech, like
Speaker 3: I think there. I think technology can really improve people's
Speaker 3: lives if used well. And sometimes I get kind of
Speaker 3: black pilled walking around. See yes, but then we'll stumble
Speaker 3: across this, like you know someone who like literally lost
Speaker 3: a leg and made themselves their own better leg.
Speaker 1: Eight years figuring out how to do this. Yeah, is
Speaker 1: winning award.
Speaker 3: It's like award winning, like tech innovation.
Speaker 1: It's changing your as a person who has lost your
Speaker 1: lower le, like changing being able to like have a
Speaker 1: normal gait and balance again, like massive potential to improve
Speaker 1: people's lives as a result of this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just steps away from Ai ska Ai and Donald
Speaker 3: trump Man Lafle.
Speaker 1: The company is again Bionic IM and it's the bio Leg.
Speaker 3: Biolag is the product.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Bioleague is the product by Bionic M.
Speaker 3: I'm going to try to check it out more tomorrow
Speaker 3: at Eureka Park, which at this point you know that'll
Speaker 3: be like maybe future episodes come next week. But I
Speaker 3: guess this closes our actual like like we coadge.
Speaker 1: Let's go get fucked up and eat Japanese food.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm here, I'm down, Let's do it.
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