WEBVTT - CES 2025: Robert and Gare Meet The Literal Devil 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:02.880 All the media. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.080 Hi everyone, it's James coming at you with pretty nasty 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:10.520 cold here. I wanted to share with you that Worldfast 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:13.399 has swept through Los Angeles in the last couple of days. 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:17.480 While I'm recording this. Thousands of people have been displaced. 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.320 Five people have died that we know of so far, 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:24.640 thousands of structures have been burned, and many many people 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.240 in a will be finding themselves out of their homes 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.440 with nowhere to go, with very few resources. If you'd 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:32.640 like to help, We've come up with some mutual aid 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:35.479 groups who you can donate to, and we'll be interviewing 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:38.360 one of them on this show next week. So if 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:41.199 you'd like to help, the three places where we suggest 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:45.080 you would donate some cash are the Sidewalk Project. That's 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:52.559 the Sidewalkproject, dot org, Ktown for All that's letter k 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:56.520 t own, f O R A l L dot RG, 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:01.560 and ETNA Street Solidarity you can find on Venmo or 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:05.120 I think on Instagram as well. That's A E T 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:09.280 N A S T R E E T S O. 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.280 L I D A I T Y. 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:22.000 All right, I'm gonna go rest my voice. 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:22.559 Oh man, welcome to it could happen here a podcast. 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:27.120 That's happening here If here is your ears, if you're 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.560 deaf and reading this, then it's happening to your eyes. 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:33.240 Either way, it's happening here. 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:35.319 Here also being Las Vegas. 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:39.240 Well, yes, also Las Vegas. That's Nevada, not the other one. Nevada. 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:45.800 I A yeah, uh huh uh. Podcast number three. How 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:49.360 the time does fly? Sure does. By the time you 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:51.720 listen to this, Garrison and I will have just had 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.720 the best meal that we're going to have. Oh god, yeah, 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.560 it's tomorrow for us still, but we're still we're very 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.080 excited about Morimoto, which is a fantastic Every year we 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:05.080 have a very special dinner just them and me and 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:08.360 a couple of friends who will remain anonymous because people 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:09.400 get weird on the internet. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.959 Sometimes it is literally the highlight of my year. Sometimes 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:16.000 it does keep me going. Actually really gives me a 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:17.720 lot of power. Some of the best tacos I've ever 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:19.280 had in my life, so good. 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:20.760 Uh huh. 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.720 Anyway, ah, we're just thinking about delicious food. Let's talk 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:25.560 about the dead eyed ghoul we met. Oh wait, no, 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.440 we're doing yet. We met a dead eyed ghul that 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:32.520 I'm gonna spoil now, real monster like real, real, real 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.400 evil vibes, like if this guy as soon as I 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:38.359 met him, shook his hand, like, oh if you get 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:41.119 if this guy gets power, you're going to be responsible 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:42.639 for a lot of death and suffering. 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:44.520 I mean speaking of he will. 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:48.560 He's just not that talented. He wishes, but you never 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:49.760 know where these guys are gonna end up. 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:56.239 Speaking of sad evil Uh, Twitter X everything appy, that's 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.600 what people are calling it. They gave a keynote which 0:02:58.680 --> 0:02:59.519 was very sad. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:04.080 The CEO Lindah Linda really jakerino about Twitter for a 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:05.520 while oh so bad. 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:11.639 So they started by talking about how Facebook meta has 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:15.520 has copied Twitter's like fact checking policy of actually not 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:19.120 having real fact checks. Yes, now maybe has actually kind 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:22.080 of failed as an industry, but for you know, our 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:25.919 problems perhaps with fact checking very different from these people's problems, 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.520 and the fact now that that Facebook is walking away 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.640 from actual, like genuine like fact checks against like just 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.880 disinformation misinformation and parting ways with like using like legacy 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.320 media a lets to verify information because those media aulets 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.840 are too political quote unquote, and instead is copying the 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:46.720 the current X model of free speech and specifically saying 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:50.440 like there's been way too much censorship on gender issues. 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.520 Now you can comment that women are a piece of property. 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:55.640 Well, I mean I think specifically this is this is 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:57.440 like trans like no, no, no stuff too. 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.160 One of the things that is specific exemption now is 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.120 that you can now refer to women as if they 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.560 are property on Facebook. 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.360 This is the future of communication, right. 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.440 Yeah, thank god, Linda is really blazing a trail for 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:11.320 women everywhere. 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:15.680 Linda was very excited about that, and they u Yakarino 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:18.719 about that for like a good a good ten minutes 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.160 about how you know this is this is where we're 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.120 really entering a new era of free speech and social media. 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.159 And then she got asked a question about how much 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.960 ex Twitter, the everything app will will take a part 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:37.120 in Elon Musk's plans for the Department of Government Efficiency DOGE, 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.960 And this got the the first applause of the panel. 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.880 It applause only happens two times during the DOGE section. 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.480 Was the first like you know, room, room starts clapping moment, 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:48.920 everyone goes crazy. 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:51.040 How many minutes in was that? 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:53.600 Oh maybe it was like maybe like maybe like twelve 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:54.240 thirteen minutes? 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:54.599 People? 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:56.839 Really, yeah, I had to had to be intentional here. 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.120 This is not like they were just overdue for class. 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:02.039 No no no talked about Vivek talked about, you know, 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.120 elon turning to Twitter, X the everything app for like 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:09.000 suggestions on which government agencies to get rid of. 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:12.720 I hope we get rid of the A t F. 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.000 So so that that was. 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.039 Machine guns mandatory? Why not at this point, right, it 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.359 can only help, It can only help. Look, if we 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.320 learned anything from a thing, I'm not going to specify 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:28.760 that happened late last year. More suppressors is always handy. 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.039 The second thing that got applause was what they talked 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:39.360 about next, was about you know, everyone's everyone's turning to 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:43.640 x Twitter everything everything app for information now and and 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.240 and Twitter x everything app played a crucial part in 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:50.440 bringing to light the Muslim rape gang story in the 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.960 UK and how that was so important for saving children 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.920 and we have to we have to post more, not less. 0:05:57.520 --> 0:05:59.600 And like this was the other thing that got massive 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:03.240 applau was talking about the rape gangs. 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.000 People love rape gangs, people love rape gangs. That that 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.280 was a pretty good Star Trek episode. 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:10.520 That was Tasrir's Planet with the rape gangs, one of 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:12.400 one of the more black pilling things. 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:14.800 It wasn't a very good Star Trek episode. 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.440 It's also not a good Track episode. I was referring 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.640 to the panel, not the Trek episode. But that was 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:22.440 the other thing that got massive applause is it's like 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:25.839 save the children type rhetoric and you know, saying, you know, 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.400 like as a mother, it's it's so important that the 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:32.360 more people post about this problem. That was the two 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.359 big applause moments. But I think in general, this this 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:38.760 whole panel was trying to like, you know, demonstrate how 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:42.320 symbiotic a new Trump presidency and Elon Musk's. 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.800 Twitter this is a line, this is a tap from 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:46.919 the Trump presidency. 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.159 This is how you talk to the new government. Like, 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.680 this is how you talk to all of these new people, 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.080 all these new cabinet members. They're all on Twitter. They're 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.080 all talking on Twitter. This is this is how you 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.440 stay connected to the new government. 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.200 It's interesting. I want thing I'm curious about, so that 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.320 this is the thing that happened the last set of 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.120 Nazis that gained power in a country in a big way, 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.160 the German ones. There was this common attitude of like 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:13.320 if only Hitler knew because Nazi policies didn't help the 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.120 people that were supposed to help. They hurt a lot 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.560 of people, like they were just bad at everything, like 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.160 fascists tend to be. And there was this attitude that like, well, 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:24.040 Hitler can't know, like the fact that, like we the 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.320 country's been handed over the gangsters who were continuing to 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.440 hurt the people Hitler promised to help. He must not 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.680 be aware, like if he knew, he would fix it, 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.360 only he knew. So I'm wondering how that's going to 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.760 play in here. As Trump's policies continue to hurt the 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:39.160 people who a lot of the people who voted from, 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.040 not the rich people who voted for him, but the 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.080 people who like flipped between him and Biden or whatever, Like, 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:46.840 those folks are going to get fucked like the rest 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:50.440 of us. And I kind of wonder if they're going 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.600 to if there's going to be what win the blowback 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:57.120 against X the everything app will happen, right, Like yeah, 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:01.160 as people are like either I'm being or him being 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:05.040 called like a retard by Elon Musk for complaining that, 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:09.680 like Elon Musk tweets it and randomly to people when 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:13.200 they make very valid critiques of the ship that he's doing. 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:16.560 Like that's literally what he's calling. He's saying it like 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:18.840 every day, like constantly. I'm not I'm not using it 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.280 as a slur. That's just the term he's using. If 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:24.680 they comment that like their fucking medicaid got cut because 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.760 Trump put doctor Oz in charge of it, and Elon 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.840 Musk calls them like, you know, a slur, what does 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:32.000 that do to you? 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:33.120 Like they like, I don't even know. 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.160 I don't even have any more intelligent than like, yeah, 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.120 I wonder what that does to Twitter's bottom line? 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.960 Ye, I mean yeah, I'm not sure if they care anymore. 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.840 I mean. Something else Linda talked about is how Twitter's 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:46.520 the only place for independent news to spread. And as 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:48.880 both of us have, you know, worked in the independent 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:52.760 journalism minds nothing nothing spreads on Twitter anymore. 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.839 No, as long if it's news, it doesn't. The only 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.440 thing that spreads is Yeah, like the shit that makes 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:01.080 people very angry but keeps them on the site, like articles, videos, 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:02.520 If it takes you off site, it doesn't. 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.600 See. Yeah, the things that go viral and get spread 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:08.520 is like encouraging racial bias, yes, s pogrooms essentially. 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.520 Yeah, which is what happened last year in the UK, 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:12.000 and they're sure trying to do it again. 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:13.920 I mean, I I think some of someone's some of 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:15.400 what she's referencing is, you know, there's a lot of 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:19.160 like throttling attentionally of you know people on maybe our proclivities, 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.840 and there is a degree of boosting for more you know, 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:25.199 centrist or right wing journalists. And maybe that's that's some 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.439 of some of what they could be kind of more 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:30.320 more referring to there, But you know it was it 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.560 was a short keynote, only thirty minutes. Just the two 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.000 things that got applause are doge. 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:37.839 Well Linda doesn't know that many words, so they really 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:39.240 need to keep it under thirty minutes. 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.800 And literally Muslim rape gangs. Is you know this this 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:46.200 type of like like very very gross racial fear mongering, 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:48.520 and those are the things that like lit up the room. 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.000 You know, we all want there to be an after 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:55.680 where there's even the minimal degree of accountability that happened 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.920 after the Nazis. But like what I try to in 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:02.160 my darker moments is like, well that's another person who 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.880 like really made the argument of like what needs to 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:10.440 happen when this ends? Because it's just I want to 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:14.160 hurt people. My business is enabling harm. I want to 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:19.480 get mobs in the street, beating migrants. Like that's Linda's business. 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.560 That's the business she has willfully attached herself to. And 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:27.400 we should all see that. It's very important to not 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.600 stop talking about it like what it is. These people 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:34.480 are trying to cause racial violence, and they are trying 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:38.040 to cause gendered violence, and they are trying to cause 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:43.040 harm at scale to communities of people that they see 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:49.200 financial profit in damaging, well in other uplifting c es ues, 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.319 cool stuff. I love the Consumer Electronics Show. 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.040 Actually, I think it might be time for an ad break. 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:02.320 Speaking of damaging communities of people, right, there's a chance, yeah, ads, 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:16.320 Oh well we're back. Boy, I'm so glad that those 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:19.400 ads told me that Fragaccio Blow is touring with Bono. 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.040 I never thought they'd do it, but boy howdy, and 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:26.800 they're singing each other's song, so you know, that's really exciting. 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.680 It's like when Barbara did Selene. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.079 I don't know who Barbara or Selene is, but that's, 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.240 oh my god, that's cool. Robert Luckily, I do know 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.240 what SKA is. I consider myself a day of culture, 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:42.040 and for tonight, me and Robert attended this kind of 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:46.800 like side event at CEES called Showstoppers. And as you 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.160 walk around the CEES floor, there's a lot of frankly garbage. 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.360 There's a lot of just like mostly garbage stuff that 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:54.520 you or stuff. 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.520 That like you're just not interested in because you're literally 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.719 buying like screens from a manufacturer in China. Like it's 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:01.480 like that which is not the business you're into, because 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.360 some of this stuff has meant for companies so. 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.600 Much floor space, Like there's like I we walked. 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.000 Twenty Town that I spent the first seven years of 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.640 my life in is smaller than one of the room CEU. 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.839 It's across like three hotels and a massive convention center. 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.520 Ninety thousand people come into town for this thing. 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.160 It could be hard to like see everything you want to. Now, 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.880 what's colo about Showstoppers, this is the side event at 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.560 the Bellaggio is that basically it's a room full of 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.599 kind of all the coolest stuff, a whole bunch of 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:33.120 stuff that has one SEES innovation awards all packed into 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:37.319 one room with food and alcohol. So oh boy, did I. 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:38.960 Order free food and free alcohol? 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.160 So many drinks that I then just left on tables, 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:43.280 and it. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.400 Always pretty good food, pretty good food. 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.679 So we walked around show stoppers and there was a 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:52.000 number of pretty pretty cool stuff that we saw. Yeah, 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:54.720 but I think I think it's maybe time to talk 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.240 about the saddest, the saddest man. 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:00.560 The villain, the villain, the villain of the episode and 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.800 of our this year's cees. I have trouble. Can you 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:05.400 bring up their name? Because I'm gonna want to get 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:09.160 this right, so we could be dangerous. But we had 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.000 neither of us had eaten and I had had like 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:14.240 a hot dog eight hours ago and walked literally nineteen 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.160 thousand steps and also done forty minutes of push ups 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.640 in between, so I was starving. So we we like 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.240 shovel food into our faces and we turn the first 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:26.599 booth we see is called open Droid, Open Droid or 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.440 open droids droids. Yes, it did. There is an s 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.959 Open Droids and it's like kind of Star Wars. He 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.160 font it is and I did ask them if you 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.320 know they had any issues with Lucasfilm. Apparently not yet 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.280 sue them. Lucasfilm, by the way, sue these kids. 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:44.600 I know there's people who work for Lucasfilm who listened to. 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:49.600 This crush them, burn them like Los Angeles is burning 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:50.600 down as we see. 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:52.280 They had a giant sign that said. 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:53.160 R two D three. 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.240 Yeah, that's the name of the robot that they're selling. 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.280 And the robot, the robot that they're selling is like 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:03.560 a an AI enabled hold helping slash like retail, you know, 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:07.199 like you know robot where it basically is like a 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:12.480 human torso with articulated arms and pincher hands on. And 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.959 then the base is like a little tank. Basically it's 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.680 got like treads or wheels and it rolls its wheels. Yeah, 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.880 and then the torso there's like a tall maybe six 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.520 foot tall like pillar built into this like rolling base 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.880 that the torso slides up and down on. And this 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:32.240 was their way of not making like what Musk is 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.360 trying to do, right, a humanoid robot where you have 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.880 to figure out like knees and balance and stuff. It's 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.840 like no or like Boston Dynamics wheels, right, wheels are cheap. 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.480 It a roll It works in most situations, you know. 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.080 And then but you still have the ability for it 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.240 to articulate and go up higher or go down lower. 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.240 Like something that can crouch, but it's much simpler, you 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.760 don't have to deal with nearly as much. And so 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:55.920 I saw that, I'm like, oh, well, that's at least 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:57.880 somebody who's thinking about, like how do we make something 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.280 like this like more affordable and less complicated, les to 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.360 fuck up. And so I start talking with one of 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.840 the co founders of the company, who is an Indian 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:09.600 guy in his forties something around that he had like 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:12.120 gray hair, he'd clearly he said he'd spent twenty years 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.760 in robotics. Very nice guy, you know. I brought up 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:17.880 that I thought the design was interesting, and he was 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.120 very much specifying, like, here's the things we didn't do 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:24.840 because they were too difficult, too inefficient. You know, this 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:26.680 is what we're thinking of. This is a machine that 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.160 can fold laundry. This is a machine that can do dishes. 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.440 This is a machine. And he was very much specifying 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.720 and the way he phrases like, these are undesirable tasks 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.360 people don't want to do, and this is a robot 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.760 that can handle those for like small businesses or for households. 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.240 And we do see this as eventually like a you know, 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.200 something like this we want to have in households, but 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:49.920 he was more focused on small businesses, and he was 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:51.960 again very focused on this is a thing that will 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:58.240 do undesirable tasks for people, right, And as I started 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.040 asking more questions, at a certain point, I got foisted 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:04.320 off to the co founder of the company. 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:05.720 Is it the co founder or is it just like 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:06.960 another one of their rests. 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.280 You know, I'm assuming co founder because I think it's 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.440 just a couple of guys, but maybe I'm not about Sorry, 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.800 I got foisted over to the other of the two guys. 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.960 There were two guys there, right, I'm not sure because 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.440 they don't have listed any where what their role in 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.560 the company is. I got a co founder's vibe from them. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.360 That's how it seemed to be to me, at least 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.160 in terms of like the way these two were talking. 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:31.320 But I don't know the scope of the open Droid's company. 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:34.160 Maybe there's a lot more there, but these were the 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:35.920 two guys who were they're talking to us. So one 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.120 of them is this very wonky engineer who's been at 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.640 this a long time and was really focused on the 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.920 nuts and bolts details and wanted to build a robot 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.720 that could handle unpleasant tasks for human beings, right, the 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:48.560 same thing we've all been wanting to see. So at 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:51.040 this point I'm like, this could work. Maybe this is 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:57.440 a viable product. Right. The second guy, Jack j Jessenowski, 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:02.080 So he is wearing what Gryson described as a Jordan 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:08.640 Peterson suit because it is half purple. Is a face 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:12.120 suit split down the motherfucking middle. 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:16.920 With like like new age hippie like necklaces, five necklacesla 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:21.800 five necklaces. He had pants with like like embroidered flowers 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:22.480 on those. 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.560 And like a nose bridge, like it looked like one 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:25.600 of those things you put in your nose. 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:29.040 That was one of the other things at showstoppers. There 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:30.159 was a company that was doing that. 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.280 So yeah, he had want to be Steve Jobs vibes 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:37.280 from his half unbuttoned shirt and like many many spiritual 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:42.800 medallions to his like Jordan Peterson's suit, and very much 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:46.679 just that. Like I am the charismatic founder and what 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:48.679 I bring to the table. My partner knows how to 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:55.080 build robots. I'm charismatic. I'm Jack j Jessanowski, and Jack 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.879 and I started talking, and boy howdy, we had us 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.840 a conversation and I think we're just gonna play that. 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:03.639 What do I need to do to set this up? 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.280 No, I think you've set it up. We walk up 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.560 to Jack, I start, I start recording, and we start 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.239 talking about the robot, and then things spin in some 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:13.919 pretty interesting directions. 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:20.119 Yeah, all right, So what is this thing useful for? 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.800 Well, generally capable, just like a human can reach to 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.560 the floor and reach up high to a cupboard, go 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:29.160 up and down. 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:30.199 That's what we made this for. 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:33.280 Obviously in a little bit of a different fashion because 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.000 most surfaces are level. 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:37.600 We don't need to reinvent the wheel. 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:43.280 And the biggest market that we're going after is households. 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:46.879 Domestic dishes, laundry, make the bed, clean up around the house, 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:50.639 eventually cooking. That's more fine tuned, you know, dishes and 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.960 laundry is really that first task that is. 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:55.240 Gonna be fully autonomous. 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:59.879 Obviously from a folding standpoint and cooking standpoint, you can 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:04.919 do tele operation today, so can use cheaper labor internationally 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:09.240 through a robot, but full autonomous is coming very quickly, 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:10.960 like Jensen talked about recently. 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.119 So I see there's a lot of folks in the 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.720 robot space that are trying robots based on the human form, right, 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:20.720 you guys have not gone that route. 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.520 Talk to me about that droid form. 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:28.360 Yes, Well, as we know, robots didn't evolve from monkeys, 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.840 and so we have an ability to reimagine them. All 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.920 of the existing hardware we use in the world has 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.560 wheels for a reason. It just works better. It's easier, 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:41.640 there's less friction. That means there's less maintenance. That means 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:46.040 there's less energy output. It's efficiency. It's also easier for 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.360 us to manufacture that stuff at scale. So I think 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:55.960 long term, do robots all have legs? 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:57.359 Yeah, more or less. 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.600 The home robot does turn into the leg robot because 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:01.520 then it can with you in the car everything. 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:03.160 But I think the early. 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:08.800 Stages the wheels, because of their cheaperness, because of their reliability. 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:12.840 I think that will be what wins early stage. That's 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:13.879 where we started here. 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:16.240 Because the robot can go in the car with you. 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:18.560 What do you see people wanting to have a robot 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:19.440 in the car with them for? 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:22.720 I think it will just become basically the same way. 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:25.640 If you have enough money, a lot of people afford 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:29.240 like an assistant to come with them places. 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:35.919 It's because that seems like a niche market compared to household. 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:39.760 I think it's the barrier. 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:42.960