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Speaker 1: the subject matter for yourself. Hi. I'm Sandra Schamplain. For
Speaker 1: almost twenty five years, I've been on a journey to
Speaker 1: prove the existence of life after death. Each episode will
Speaker 1: discuss the reasons we now know that our loved ones
Speaker 1: have survived physical death and so will we. Welcome to
Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. First, I want to say thank
Speaker 1: you for listening. Coming from producer Tom. The numbers have
Speaker 1: been growing. You guys have been sharing the show I've
Speaker 1: been receiving dozens of emails from listeners, and so many
Speaker 1: of you have taken me up on the request to
Speaker 1: join our Facebook group, which, just to remind you, go
Speaker 1: to we Don't Die dot com and at the top
Speaker 1: one of the tabs says facebook group, So join in
Speaker 1: you can participate. One of the things that I've heard
Speaker 1: quite often though, is more near death experiences. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: like them too, really good stories of what people experience
Speaker 1: when they cross over, and thankfully they've come back. So
Speaker 1: today on the show, we have another experience just for you,
Speaker 1: as you've asked for it. We have Leslie Lupo and
Speaker 1: she's trained in psychology and NLP, which is neuro linguistic programming.
Speaker 1: She's also a long time intuitive therapist and she's the
Speaker 1: author of the book Remember Every Breath is Precious. Hello Leslie, Hello,
Speaker 1: very honored that you contacted me. Oh, it is my
Speaker 1: pleasure of course. Leslie. Can you tell us how you
Speaker 1: got into this wonderful world and what you know about
Speaker 1: life after death? It all started in March of eighty eight.
Speaker 1: I was working at a dude ranch and I was
Speaker 1: the vice president of operations. At that point. You bounce
Speaker 1: around a lot between different departments to help whoever's needed,
Speaker 1: and one of the cowboys was not feeling well, so
Speaker 1: I jumped into the wrangling department and helped out. At
Speaker 1: the end of the day, we were on and saddling
Speaker 1: waiting for the last two rides to come in, and
Speaker 1: two horses had snuck out the gate and run down
Speaker 1: to the hay barn with their saddles on, which is
Speaker 1: dangerous for the horses. They can get hurt if they roll,
Speaker 1: and it's a problem. So I ran down to the
Speaker 1: hay barn with two halters to grab the horses and
Speaker 1: come up. And I don't know if people know horses,
Speaker 1: but they're not like on television where they're just so
Speaker 1: sweet and like a puppy, especially a large herd. We
Speaker 1: had like over a hundred horses. But the thing about
Speaker 1: them is there's never enough food for them. No matter
Speaker 1: how much you put them up. They will eat to
Speaker 1: their fill, but there's still panicky. So everybody's jammed in
Speaker 1: eating at the end of the day, and I had
Speaker 1: to try to wiggle between horses to bring them in,
Speaker 1: and at first I thought it was really lucky because
Speaker 1: they were standing right next to each other, but as
Speaker 1: it turned out, it was hard for me to make
Speaker 1: it through where all the saddle and the stirrups were
Speaker 1: so at one point I was clucking and poking them,
Speaker 1: and they just kind of looked at me, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're smaller than me and I'm hungry, and ignored me.
Speaker 1: At one point, I turned around to try to push
Speaker 1: myself backwards, and at that moment, my mind, or my consciousness,
Speaker 1: my soul popped out of my body and stood about
Speaker 1: six feet away watching it. I was really shocked. I
Speaker 1: remember thinking what, but I couldn't even think of words
Speaker 1: as I watched myself continue to try to wiggle in
Speaker 1: between those two horses, and all of a sudden, one
Speaker 1: of the horses on my left me the soul body,
Speaker 1: not me the person, and the horses screeched and the
Speaker 1: six or seven horses around me bolted. At that time,
Speaker 1: I and my right arm went through the stirrup of
Speaker 1: the horse, and because I was dragging on him when
Speaker 1: he was trying to run with the other horses, he
Speaker 1: first hit me with his head. He kind of headbutted
Speaker 1: me sideways, which caused me to go crashing into the
Speaker 1: corner of concrete and metal. The hay Barn and I
Speaker 1: dropped like a sack of rocks. I'm watching all this
Speaker 1: with the awareness I didn't feel. I mean, my body
Speaker 1: was screaming. I didn't feel a thing. I didn't feel
Speaker 1: any nervousness. I didn't feel any despair. I didn't feel
Speaker 1: any pain. But it was almost like dispattunately watching it,
Speaker 1: like wow, you know, like what's going on? And it
Speaker 1: just took a few seconds to be over. But I
Speaker 1: knew I was dead, and I knew it. I mean,
Speaker 1: there was never a doubt in my mind. Yet my
Speaker 1: first reaction was to start giggling. I remember thinking, this
Speaker 1: is it, this is what everyone's so afraid of. I'm
Speaker 1: still here and I'm still thinking. And I felt such
Speaker 1: peacefulness and love and freshness. It was kind of like
Speaker 1: if you could picture taking off a body girdle that's
Speaker 1: four sizes too small, how fresh you would feel? Oh,
Speaker 1: I would imagine, Yeah, Like like you know when you're
Speaker 1: walking around in a towel after a shower, you feel
Speaker 1: so fresh. It was almost like every cell had separated
Speaker 1: and this beautiful breeze was going through and I felt
Speaker 1: such just peacefulness and completeness and that this is the
Speaker 1: way it should be, this feeling, and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: a very curious person. So the first next thing I
Speaker 1: thought was, WHOA, what do I look like? So I
Speaker 1: looked down at myself, and I still in my blue
Speaker 1: jeans and my boots and everything. And it wasn't see
Speaker 1: through or anything like that, but I didn't notice. It
Speaker 1: was almost like this little tiny mist was rising off
Speaker 1: of me. And the mist was just a little tiny
Speaker 1: bit of blue and this mist that was rising off
Speaker 1: of me. The other thing I noticed was how intensely
Speaker 1: accurate my vision was. When we were staring at something,
Speaker 1: we look at the center, and then by the time
Speaker 1: we get out a few feet on either side into
Speaker 1: the edges of our periphal vision, it's gone. And that
Speaker 1: didn't happen. It was as if everything within my peryphool
Speaker 1: vision was perfectly in focus, and yet it wasn't overwhelming,
Speaker 1: like too much information. The same thing was sound. I
Speaker 1: heard every little bird, I've heard every little scurry of
Speaker 1: a lizard, you know. The horses were chomping again. I
Speaker 1: could hear their woofing. Breathfast kind of grabbed the alfalfa.
Speaker 1: So I just stood there, marveling at everything. And then
Speaker 1: down by the bottom of the holding ten, I saw
Speaker 1: the cowboys. Both rides were back, so they opened the gate,
Speaker 1: and I felt this really sweet nostalgia, like, oh, I
Speaker 1: know what they were doing. I've done that, you know,
Speaker 1: Like it was almost like going back to a merry
Speaker 1: go around and watching children ride on it and remembering
Speaker 1: how thrilling it was when I was a little that
Speaker 1: kind of just happiness. And they came in and they
Speaker 1: started up, you know, got the guests and closed the gate,
Speaker 1: started towards the unsaddling part and saw the boss's wife
Speaker 1: laying face down in the manure, and raced over and
Speaker 1: I was just a few feet from them, and they
Speaker 1: flipped me over and started trying to resuscitate me, and
Speaker 1: no matter how much ice cream, please don't, please don't,
Speaker 1: I'm fine. They kept trying, and two of the guests
Speaker 1: had gotten down, and both we were both doing his
Speaker 1: CPR together, and one man that was doing the breath
Speaker 1: kept watching his watch. And then after whatever minutes they
Speaker 1: said it was six or seven minutes, they stopped and
Speaker 1: they still couldn't get breath. And the cowboys later told
Speaker 1: me that my skin was pure gray and my lips
Speaker 1: were the color of my blue jeans, and one of
Speaker 1: the men sat back and said, go get Bob. She's gone.
Speaker 1: So at that point it was interesting because I began
Speaker 1: to let go of being in tison. But two son
Speaker 1: just started to fade. I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: have talked about feeling like they were lifted up or above.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't feeling like I was standing on
Speaker 1: the ground, but just like maybe a foot above. But
Speaker 1: it's almost as if this world started emerging. Two Sons
Speaker 1: started fading, and another world came in with true, it
Speaker 1: was an oak forest. It was a very thick oak forest,
Speaker 1: and my impression was, I'm just going to another level.
Speaker 1: Like I studied energy, and I know the magnetic field
Speaker 1: and the color spectrum and the sound spectrum, and I
Speaker 1: felt like I was being moved to a different part
Speaker 1: of those spectrums, you know, outside what we normally see,
Speaker 1: because I got the impression that it was just me
Speaker 1: closing my eyes and waking up and being in a
Speaker 1: different on a different plane, but in the same area.
Speaker 1: And it was a beautiful oak forest, and all of
Speaker 1: the crisp alertness that I had downstairs is what I
Speaker 1: call earth, and upstairs is what I call heaven. All
Speaker 1: that Christmas was a bit gone. I felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: you wake up a little groggy because you had two
Speaker 1: glasses of wine and might be both just groggy. You know.
Speaker 1: I was kind of like trying to get my sea legs,
Speaker 1: so to speak. And everything was so intensified as far
Speaker 1: as the beauty and the peacefulness. All I could feel
Speaker 1: was this extraordinary level of selfless love. I know that
Speaker 1: we've had speakers here and Tuson and a few of
Speaker 1: them had talked about the unconditional love, and for me,
Speaker 1: I just use a different word because the time that
Speaker 1: I feel it on earth. If you've ever given someone
Speaker 1: a present and are opening it up and they look
Speaker 1: at you and the look in their eyes, you know
Speaker 1: it was a perfect thing, or like a give a
Speaker 1: gift like that to a child, and look at the
Speaker 1: joy they feel. When you know you hit the bulls eye.
Speaker 1: We get this rush through our bodies that just makes
Speaker 1: us feel so alive and loved because it's a selfless
Speaker 1: gift of giving someone something you know will bring them
Speaker 1: great joy and that kind of feeling, you know that,
Speaker 1: that selfless love, And the other thing I was amazed
Speaker 1: at was it was a very thick forest. Now I
Speaker 1: live in a forest here in Tucsung. There's not many
Speaker 1: of them, but for some reason, I have a house
Speaker 1: here and there's a great deal of shade and shadow.
Speaker 1: I noticed that there was no shadows. It was as
Speaker 1: if I walked up and I was looking at the
Speaker 1: ferns and the trees and the bushes, and it was
Speaker 1: as if they were lit from within. And the other
Speaker 1: thing I can say is this evening, when the sun
Speaker 1: is setting, go out and put a tree between you
Speaker 1: and the sun. And when you see the sunlight coming
Speaker 1: through the leaves, that's maybe ten percent of what it
Speaker 1: is upstairs, but you get that feeling of how things
Speaker 1: are all lit from within. Leslie, we have to take
Speaker 1: a quick break and when we come back, we'll find
Speaker 1: out more about your forest. It sounds extraordinary and for
Speaker 1: those listening, you can check out Leslie Joan Lupo dot com.
Speaker 1: We'll be back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife
Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain
Speaker 1: and we are with Leslie Lupo as she talks about
Speaker 1: her near death experience after being trampled by some horses. Wow, Leslie,
Speaker 1: you were just talking about being in the most radiant
Speaker 1: forest with no shadows. What happened next? I kept marveling,
Speaker 1: like just touching things. I walked over too. There was
Speaker 1: a little river behind me, so I walked over, and
Speaker 1: there were box and there was a lovely splashing sound,
Speaker 1: and I saw some ferns dripping in and these spiky
Speaker 1: flowers and butterflies, and there were birds flitting around and singing.
Speaker 1: And then I turned back. That was to my right.
Speaker 1: I turned back and I saw over on my left
Speaker 1: a little opening in the forest and there was a
Speaker 1: table that kind of looked like lapis Missouli that were
Speaker 1: blue lappis and chairs around it. And I was watching
Speaker 1: the table and it was again as if things were
Speaker 1: still coming through. There was people standing around there, a
Speaker 1: group of people. So I walked over and everybody greeted me.
Speaker 1: And at that point it was really the first time
Speaker 1: where I got a really strong sense of something familiar, like,
Speaker 1: wad a minute, I know these people, I know this place.
Speaker 1: And I sat down. There was eleven other people, and
Speaker 1: there were five women and six men and there we
Speaker 1: sat around this big oval table. In the middle of
Speaker 1: the table or some wavy lines that kind of looked
Speaker 1: like when you're driving and you see those heat waves.
Speaker 1: Because they were just wavy, I really couldn't see people
Speaker 1: on the other side of the table. I could see
Speaker 1: just really the people around me. And because they were
Speaker 1: so I was so groggy. It took me a while
Speaker 1: to really process. Well, I don't know what a while is.
Speaker 1: It wasn't as sharp as I was downstairs, where everything
Speaker 1: was sing being being. I noticed a woman on my
Speaker 1: right and I recognized her because when I was really,
Speaker 1: really little, I used to see what I called angels
Speaker 1: in my bedroom, in the garden and all around me.
Speaker 1: Every once in a while, not all the time, but
Speaker 1: ever once in a while it would almost be like
Speaker 1: something kind of kept me still, and then I would
Speaker 1: see this woman was next to me and her name
Speaker 1: was Mina. It popped in my mind and I wasn't
Speaker 1: sure if I was remembering it or if it was telepathic.
Speaker 1: One more thing before that before I saw them me again,
Speaker 1: what do I look like? And I had this long
Speaker 1: dress on and it was a deep, deep Prussian blue
Speaker 1: and it was very elaborately embroidered with little gold, and
Speaker 1: I looked my hands looked like babies, you know, like
Speaker 1: I was maybe twenty years old. It was just very young.
Speaker 1: And I had big, really large kind of like almost
Speaker 1: like nickel and border size freckles, just a few, but
Speaker 1: they were really light. And then I was like touching
Speaker 1: my Okay, I have short curly hair, short hair. I
Speaker 1: like long hair. I was thinking. And so when I
Speaker 1: walked over the table, everyone was so harmoniously beautifully dressed
Speaker 1: it they looked like felted wool, or they looked like
Speaker 1: silk or cottons, beautiful embroideries, and everyone again looked very
Speaker 1: very young. It looked like college kids, except for their eyes.
Speaker 1: There was so much soul and wisdom in the eyes.
Speaker 1: And I looked over on my right there was a
Speaker 1: gentleman sitting and he had long hair and a beard.
Speaker 1: But it was interesting because everyone was so harmoniously dressed
Speaker 1: by him, and his name was Raoul, and he had
Speaker 1: this brilliant right ultra violet shirt on, and then he
Speaker 1: had these pants on that where this kind of garish
Speaker 1: orangey brown, and I was thinking to myself, well, now
Speaker 1: wait a minute, you've got all the colors of the
Speaker 1: universe to work with. Who dressed you? You know, I
Speaker 1: was thinking, well, man, they must see you know that
Speaker 1: even up stairs, I can't dress himself. No, I'm kidding,
Speaker 1: but well, the funny part is this Rao is actually
Speaker 1: the arguatic, which I knew nothing about this until actually
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. Rao is a planet in Sanskrit,
Speaker 1: and Mina is pisces in Sanskrit. And on that date
Speaker 1: I had the accident. Rao was going through Nina, which
Speaker 1: happens every twenty years. And the other thing, Rao's color
Speaker 1: is ultra violet and his stone is hessanite garnet, which
Speaker 1: is orange brown garnet. So that we finally made tense
Speaker 1: to me after twenty six years, I figured, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. But I sat down and Nina and
Speaker 1: Rao were the only ones that talked to me, and
Speaker 1: they explained that I had gone down on a mission
Speaker 1: with my soul group and this was the remnant that
Speaker 1: had stayed behind. There was ten that were stayed behind
Speaker 1: originally and twenty went down and I had contracted to
Speaker 1: come up when I was twenty one with another person
Speaker 1: on the sole group. We were just going to come down,
Speaker 1: shift consciousness and bring in a level of forgiveness and
Speaker 1: begin to open the door to a huge shift of consciousness.
Speaker 1: She explained to me that between the years of forty
Speaker 1: five and sixty five, you know, with a few years
Speaker 1: on either side, the majority of very very very old
Speaker 1: salts had come down after the two World Wars to
Speaker 1: help shift awareness and bring up consciousness. And I and
Speaker 1: another Soule group person were supposed to pop back up
Speaker 1: at twenty one, but she said at the time, right
Speaker 1: before I was supposed to go, I turned and jumped
Speaker 1: my contract. She said, that's not a problem. You are
Speaker 1: a volunteer and they don't mind any amount of help
Speaker 1: on Earth. But now you have a choice. You didn't
Speaker 1: contract to have two children. You have two children. You
Speaker 1: can stay up here. Of that, you know, you do
Speaker 1: not have to go back to Earth. However, think of
Speaker 1: how it will impact the children. They will have no
Speaker 1: problems either way. But you have a decision to make
Speaker 1: if you can go down to Earth or you can
Speaker 1: stay up here. You have to think about this. And
Speaker 1: so Raoul and I walked around a little and I
Speaker 1: went to meditate in this cave behind a waterfall, he
Speaker 1: brought me to a place. He said, this is a
Speaker 1: place that you like to go for stillness. And when
Speaker 1: I went in, there was a very potent light being
Speaker 1: there and as soon as I walked in, I recognized
Speaker 1: it to be Jesus. Now, the interesting thing is this
Speaker 1: accident came at a time in my life when I
Speaker 1: was basically agnostic, bordering on atheists. I had no interest
Speaker 1: in spirituality. I was a good person. I was a
Speaker 1: hard worker, I was a brother, I was a good friend.
Speaker 1: I was very science minded. You know, I was not
Speaker 1: quite a materialist or atheist, but I was definitely not
Speaker 1: at all interested in any spirituality. I had left that
Speaker 1: behind due to a tragedy and during college and I
Speaker 1: just gave up on all that spiritual stuff and just
Speaker 1: went into work. And so me seeing someone like Jesus
Speaker 1: really did surprise me because I wasn't, you know, a fan,
Speaker 1: but I just had no I mean, I believe Jesus,
Speaker 1: I believed at that time Jesus existed, etc. But it
Speaker 1: was really interesting because he had such a strong aura
Speaker 1: and such a loving aura, and we talked about forgiveness
Speaker 1: and he actually had me laid down on this cable
Speaker 1: that was like white. It was beautiful white marble. In fact,
Speaker 1: the whole inside of the cave was polished. It looked
Speaker 1: like it been handcarved and polished, and little like symbols
Speaker 1: and ledges were put around there. But it was it
Speaker 1: was actually quite huge. It was probably like forty feet
Speaker 1: by forty feet. He took a little bowl with white
Speaker 1: marble and he had I could smell rose and sandalwood,
Speaker 1: and he put them on all my chakras and he said,
Speaker 1: we've done a lot of work. We want you to relax.
Speaker 1: I'm going to clear some stuff off of you. And
Speaker 1: so he put them on all my chakras, and then
Speaker 1: he also put it on my ankles and on my wrists,
Speaker 1: and we talked a little about forgiveness and self forgiveness,
Speaker 1: how difficult it is to accomplish what you feel a
Speaker 1: goal is. When you're working part of a team, you
Speaker 1: have to be patient, you know and understand that the
Speaker 1: goal is emerging, and to be patient. And then I
Speaker 1: was peaking at him, so he put another big blop
Speaker 1: on my forehead, my third eye, and we were laughing,
Speaker 1: and he just told me to rest, and I think
Speaker 1: I napped, because I do remember closing my eyes, and
Speaker 1: then when I opened them, he was gone. So I
Speaker 1: climbed down and Raoul had pointed me out to the village, saying,
Speaker 1: go over there when you're done. I walked over, and
Speaker 1: I walked into this big, huge room, a building you
Speaker 1: could put an indoor football dome inside the middle of it.
Speaker 1: It was that large, and the gate the doors were
Speaker 1: wide open, and I walked in and there were all
Speaker 1: the walls were covered with these tiny little like a dentist,
Speaker 1: old dentist office, those little drawers. Yeah, And so I
Speaker 1: walked over and I pulled open a couple of the drawers,
Speaker 1: and I was looking at different scrolls in different books,
Speaker 1: and again was that memory, like, oh, I could read this.
Speaker 1: It looked familiar, but I couldn't quite grasp what it was.
Speaker 1: And I put them back and I walked along again,
Speaker 1: and then I saw there were these transepts on either
Speaker 1: side that were mimicking The room had again huge, all
Speaker 1: this library, and I got about halfway through and there
Speaker 1: was this little pedestal that looked like it was made
Speaker 1: out of bake light, which she's kind of like a
Speaker 1: white glossy material like the old telephones were made out
Speaker 1: of big light, but this was white, and another being,
Speaker 1: a big, really bright being came up. She was probably
Speaker 1: if I'm five foot six, she was maybe nine feet tall,
Speaker 1: and she had this beautiful robe on. It was indigo
Speaker 1: on the top that kind of went into white, like
Speaker 1: brilliant white at the at the hem. And she introduced herself,
Speaker 1: but I didn't catch her name because it was like
Speaker 1: a melody, and this was very telepathic. I was listening
Speaker 1: to her, and she said, I only come when I'm called.
Speaker 1: Will you have a question, And I said, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't understand your name. And she laughed, which sounds
Speaker 1: like this beautiful laugh, you know, and kind of sounded
Speaker 1: like little glass chimes. And she then said, on Earth
Speaker 1: they called me Saraswati. And so she said, what information
Speaker 1: and what had happened was right before my accident. I
Speaker 1: felt like I had really like just something had turned
Speaker 1: off my hope. Leslie. I know you have a lot
Speaker 1: more to say, but we need to go for a break,
Speaker 1: so we'll hear more about this incredible woman when we
Speaker 1: come back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on
Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain
Speaker 1: and we are with Leslie Lupo, who was trampled by
Speaker 1: horses and had a near death experience. Leslie, you were
Speaker 1: just talking very descriptively about your experience in the hereafter
Speaker 1: and you met a beautiful woman and you said something
Speaker 1: turned off your hope. Can you tell us more about that?
Speaker 1: What had happened was I had come across an article
Speaker 1: that was written in honor of some anniversary, or maybe
Speaker 1: the lady was trying to go for an appeal or
Speaker 1: get out of prison. But the woman had these three little,
Speaker 1: gorgeous baby girls. And I saw this picture of these
Speaker 1: three little children. My children were three years old and
Speaker 1: one years old, and you have all that mummy juice,
Speaker 1: you know, and you're looking at this beauture. Oh, three
Speaker 1: little babies. And then I read the story of this
Speaker 1: woman who took her children one by one and shopped
Speaker 1: them because her girlfriends were going out and she couldn't.
Speaker 1: She was a hype, like eighteen or nineteen, and she
Speaker 1: had three children already. She had a child every year
Speaker 1: for three years, and all with different fathers, and she
Speaker 1: tried to make it like someone to come in, and
Speaker 1: it knocked me for a loop that a mother could
Speaker 1: have a visceral connection to these babies and think of
Speaker 1: so little of them. And I just felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: I would have taken those children. One hundred thousand people
Speaker 1: have taken those children. You could have taken them and
Speaker 1: just given them up for adoption. And I just felt
Speaker 1: very frustrated when I read that, and I could feel
Speaker 1: myself just shut down. And then she explained it to
Speaker 1: me by saying, you know, again, you have to keep
Speaker 1: your eye in the big picture, and you don't know,
Speaker 1: you know what their karma is to understand that. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the conversation it was very it
Speaker 1: was very hopeful. You know. She kept showing me ways
Speaker 1: to take a breath and keep your eye in the
Speaker 1: bigger picture. And she also was kind of both during
Speaker 1: me with just letting me get a feeling of you know,
Speaker 1: you've got your breath now you can understand that that
Speaker 1: is sometimes what happens in life. Because I was still
Speaker 1: going back to how could God let this happen? And
Speaker 1: her answer was basically, God didn't let it happen. Humans
Speaker 1: let it happen, So you can't blame spirit for this.
Speaker 1: This is showing that there's a lot of things that
Speaker 1: still need to be fixed. Just to be patient and
Speaker 1: recognize that not one person is going to change at all.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a group effort. And it reminded
Speaker 1: me of the random acts of kindness, remember when that
Speaker 1: first started coming out, and she was very very adamant
Speaker 1: that stopping to let someone in mine if you've got
Speaker 1: fifty things and they have one, letting them jump ahead
Speaker 1: of you, or when we're going down from three lanes
Speaker 1: to one lane. The more polite people are about letting
Speaker 1: people in the quicker you get through, rather than the
Speaker 1: people that race ahead and try to shoulder their way
Speaker 1: in being polite. Whether they say thank you or not,
Speaker 1: it is irrelevant. So she kind of reminded me that,
Speaker 1: and then she also just gave me like the light
Speaker 1: around her was so intense. And she also told me
Speaker 1: this was one of my favorite places to hang out
Speaker 1: because this was the Hall of Records, and we call
Speaker 1: it the Akashic Records, but upstairs they called it the
Speaker 1: Hall of Records, where everything was new or cutting edge
Speaker 1: was up there, and oh, no, wonder, I like Encyclopedia
Speaker 1: so much online, and I spent so much time researching
Speaker 1: new scientific breakthroughs, you know, whether it's physics or magnetic
Speaker 1: field or biology or health. I'm always reading. I'd like
Speaker 1: to keep abreast of what's cutting edge. And so then
Speaker 1: I finally went out and Mina was waiting for me.
Speaker 1: So we went over to a smaller building and she said,
Speaker 1: now we need to decide, and we had a really
Speaker 1: long talk. And the interesting thing was it was the
Speaker 1: first time I began to feel tired. When we were
Speaker 1: walking over. I could feel tired, which I had never
Speaker 1: felt before. In fact, I had never felt any negative emotion.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel fear. And it's interesting how we have
Speaker 1: it so hardwired in our psyche, with that reptilian or
Speaker 1: what they call the animal brain, that fight or flight reflex.
Speaker 1: How totally you know, it's part of our our dynamics.
Speaker 1: Is a human, yes, And that's zero up there. All
Speaker 1: you have is all the high, happy, loving parts of you,
Speaker 1: and all of the fear or conquering or competition or
Speaker 1: all the negativity envy you know Greek. Oh, they didn't
Speaker 1: even there was not even a quirk of that in me.
Speaker 1: So that was like again, that was so joyful. So
Speaker 1: we sat down and we talked about a few things. Again.
Speaker 1: They showed me in that little wavy line like when
Speaker 1: I first got up. They showed me the accident so
Speaker 1: I could understand why the horses panicked if they had
Speaker 1: actually let out the herd boss Montana was his name,
Speaker 1: And to be the her boss of a hundred horses,
Speaker 1: you've got to be really cranky and mean and tough.
Speaker 1: And when they come down, all they have to do
Speaker 1: is put their ears back. And he nipped one of
Speaker 1: the horses, and that was the horse that screeched, and
Speaker 1: they all scattered like pigeons on a square, you know,
Speaker 1: just bolt and I just happened to be in the
Speaker 1: wrong place at the wrong time. And then we talked
Speaker 1: about my decision whether I would what do I do
Speaker 1: up here and what will I do back there? And
Speaker 1: the thing that she said I would do up there
Speaker 1: was really really fascinating to me because it made a
Speaker 1: lot of sense from some of the people, so many
Speaker 1: of the people I meet as a therapist. What she
Speaker 1: explained to me was this that throughout the evolution of
Speaker 1: human as a bodymind, spirit being, there have been very,
Speaker 1: very very old souls which will incarnate to shift energy
Speaker 1: and to be teachers. In other words, you could be
Speaker 1: going talking to the safe weight who guy who's bagging
Speaker 1: your groceries, who's never going to stop doing that for
Speaker 1: his entire career, And he could be an extremely old
Speaker 1: soul who's having a nice, pleasant life, but he's just
Speaker 1: here to ground the energy, whereas other people are teachers.
Speaker 1: But the thing that's different is those old souls were
Speaker 1: put into families that supported that, like the Dalai Lama
Speaker 1: when he was born, the two months found him from
Speaker 1: astrology predictions and he saw, at the age of seventies,
Speaker 1: two months walking up, and he ran home and said
Speaker 1: to his mother, I have to go, you know, he
Speaker 1: was like six or seven, and his mother supported that,
Speaker 1: and then he went into a monstery where all he
Speaker 1: did was learn and train in the spiritual to raise
Speaker 1: spiritual consciousness. So Mina said that around the eighteen sixties
Speaker 1: that the energy had shifted enough on Earth to where
Speaker 1: they started a new problem, which was a volunteer program.
Speaker 1: So if you could picture like a bunch of old
Speaker 1: souls being around condens and ashrams and synagogues and temples
Speaker 1: and things like that, different mosques, you know, different places
Speaker 1: of learned people that were spiritually learned. The children would
Speaker 1: be brought in, or they would be brought into families
Speaker 1: that honored that gift of the child. But what they
Speaker 1: did was they and she showed me kind of a
Speaker 1: little movie of me doing it, where I had a
Speaker 1: little tiny light about as big as a half a
Speaker 1: grain of rice, and I was looking over a map
Speaker 1: where you could see the light being clusters, and I
Speaker 1: was putting it right in the middle as far away
Speaker 1: from any light as I could, so that this older
Speaker 1: soul had to come in. And they were talking about
Speaker 1: They said, it's like we're bringing light into the shape,
Speaker 1: not like the shadow saw i'd like young talked about,
Speaker 1: or dark. It was just a place where there was
Speaker 1: not light, just people that hadn't been exposed to it yet.
Speaker 1: But they were totally alone at that point. They had
Speaker 1: to go inside and find that light within. So they
Speaker 1: may have been born into aggressive, hateful families, they may
Speaker 1: have been born into fear based, fundamentalist type families, but
Speaker 1: they were born into families that did not recognize their
Speaker 1: soul level and taught them against it. So I call
Speaker 1: them Houdini kids because Houdini used to be blindfold tied up,
Speaker 1: put into a bag, and thrown into the ocean. He
Speaker 1: had to get himself out. So these beings, these light beings,
Speaker 1: had to go inside and find that light within them
Speaker 1: and say, no, this is not right. So for all
Speaker 1: the children that were born and felt like they landed
Speaker 1: in the wrong family, that they and not in a
Speaker 1: superiority way, just like there's no one here for me
Speaker 1: to talk to about what I'm thinking or feeling, and
Speaker 1: people tend to squash that out of people. They can
Speaker 1: terrify you. I remember asking a priest one time that
Speaker 1: used to come to our house for dinner about the
Speaker 1: angels I saw, and he said that they're devils because
Speaker 1: he just thought I was an overimaginative child. And so
Speaker 1: he took his water and he blessed it and he
Speaker 1: sprinkled it on me. He said, now, if you're possessed
Speaker 1: by the devil, your skin will sizzle. And I was terrified.
Speaker 1: I think he just thought I was an overimaginative child,
Speaker 1: and he wanted to, you know, put the fear of
Speaker 1: God into me or whatever he was, and I, oh,
Speaker 1: it worked, and it happened like a week after I
Speaker 1: had psychically seen a car accident before it happened, and
Speaker 1: it happened, and then I thought I caused it. So
Speaker 1: I was very com views, but I shut down. I
Speaker 1: just shut off anything that had to do with spirit.
Speaker 1: And now it was about seven or eight when that happened.
Speaker 1: So people were born into some of them were very
Speaker 1: loving families, but they just didn't couldn't teach the PhD
Speaker 1: level of spiritual not have been in sixth grade in
Speaker 1: their evolutionary levels, so they had to find their own
Speaker 1: light with him. I've had so many people in lectures
Speaker 1: when I'm doing this lecture come up to me and say,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I always thought it would change. You know,
Speaker 1: I was looking and then you'll find you know, as
Speaker 1: soon as you find out, you know, no, I'm okay
Speaker 1: like You're okay like you, but I'm okay like me.
Speaker 1: That also brings across the idea that there's many different
Speaker 1: paths to the top of the mountain. And Buddha said, yeah, so,
Speaker 1: which is a good thing. Yeah, And I felt very
Speaker 1: much alone with my thoughts and stuff like that. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but now you've got your tribe arounds you, don't you.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, yeah, Well I shouldn't say hell, but yes,
Speaker 1: you are you going to tell me? I have the
Speaker 1: sneaky suspicion that when you return back to your body
Speaker 1: it was only minutes that you were out. I don't
Speaker 1: want to finish up your Your time goes by very quickly. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I say that they said I was born. The guests
Speaker 1: whom it was ten to twelve minutes minimum, probably twelve
Speaker 1: to fifteen maximum. That's a long time, Leslie. Well, you
Speaker 1: know the weird part is is that if I show
Speaker 1: my cat scams to neurologists like Evan and other neurologists, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll look at me and they go, you should be dead,
Speaker 1: you should be a vegetable, Leslie. We have to take
Speaker 1: our last break and we'll be back. You're listening to
Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
Speaker 1: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of
Speaker 1: the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we are with Leslie
Speaker 1: Lupo as she shares her near death experience. And Leslie,
Speaker 1: if you were out from ten to fifteen minutes, you're
Speaker 1: really lucky to be alive. And I was in the
Speaker 1: hospital like almost three months. I mean, it was a
Speaker 1: massive head injury, and you know, I had to go
Speaker 1: through all that coming back and getting back in my
Speaker 1: life and figuring out how to organize myself because I
Speaker 1: left an agnostic and came back going Okay, I got
Speaker 1: to go back to the light. I can't ignore it anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, do you remember making the choice that you
Speaker 1: wanted to come back and be with your kids? And yes, yes,
Speaker 1: we talked about it both ways. And the funny part
Speaker 1: was once I said, you know, I looked at my children,
Speaker 1: they showed me my children, They showed me the things
Speaker 1: that would do down here. I'd go back into my
Speaker 1: psychology background, which is what I did. But you know
Speaker 1: when I finally said yes, then they started to stop
Speaker 1: me and they go on, now, wait a minute, it's
Speaker 1: going to be really, really difficult. You're going to have
Speaker 1: a few years in which you are going to have
Speaker 1: to be very isolated. You know, you're going to have
Speaker 1: to integrate this. And I'm thinking a few years. What's
Speaker 1: a few years? I mean you're up in infinity with
Speaker 1: a couple of years, you know. And then I made
Speaker 1: the decision. And then finally I came and I went
Speaker 1: into a room in which I was seated, and then
Speaker 1: I felt like I was being compressed, like I was
Speaker 1: being squished into a sausage casing. And Raoul was with me,
Speaker 1: and I guessed, and he stopped the process and he said, remember,
Speaker 1: you don't have to go back. You can stay here.
Speaker 1: And I looked at him, and then I thought of
Speaker 1: my children again, and I thought now and what I
Speaker 1: could do to help down here with bringing hope, which
Speaker 1: was my next mission. And I said, no, I can
Speaker 1: do that. I'll go back. And that's when he said
Speaker 1: to me, remember every breath is precious. And then I
Speaker 1: just went clunk and hit the ground. What I find interesting, too, Leslie,
Speaker 1: is that your soul stepped out of your body before
Speaker 1: the accident happened, is what he made it sound like.
Speaker 1: Which is that right? Yes? But you know what's interesting
Speaker 1: is I used to work in a nursing home when
Speaker 1: I first got out of college. I had a psych
Speaker 1: degree in me during in gerontology, and there were no
Speaker 1: hospices there. There were so many people. When we would
Speaker 1: call them and say your mother and your father's dying,
Speaker 1: they would say, call me when it's over. And my
Speaker 1: motto was, no one dies alone. On my watch, so
Speaker 1: I would go in and sit with them, and I
Speaker 1: saw that time and time and time again where the
Speaker 1: soul would leave even though the people were talking. It
Speaker 1: was almost like I could sense it standing there, joyful
Speaker 1: and very happy as the body was dying. And sometimes
Speaker 1: it would be two to three minutes. One lady was
Speaker 1: about either nine minutes before I could sense that. And
Speaker 1: even my father died in my arms and my brother's arms.
Speaker 1: He had fallen and we were holding him, and I
Speaker 1: saw his soul jump out and I said, he's dying,
Speaker 1: don't pick him up. And Tommy looked at me and
Speaker 1: said he's still talking and said, no, if he's over there,
Speaker 1: And then like another minute later, my dad passed. So
Speaker 1: I think that the soul. I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: every time, but I'm wondering how often that happens, where
Speaker 1: the person pops out before the accident. Yeah. I like
Speaker 1: the sound of that. Only after witnessing how my dad
Speaker 1: died of cancer and someone had said to me, it's
Speaker 1: you know, because I witnessed incredible suffering and somebody just said,
Speaker 1: you know, it's possible his soul left the body even
Speaker 1: though he seems to be, you know, moving in pain
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. I was screaming. I was screaming
Speaker 1: my body. I shouldn't say I, because I was watching it.
Speaker 1: I in my body, and Leslie was screaming bloody murder
Speaker 1: and getting trampled and smashed in fighting, you know. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't like it was like I was doped up
Speaker 1: out there. I watched me be brutally run over. But
Speaker 1: like I said, it was dispassionate. I couldn't witness something
Speaker 1: like that in this incarnate and have such objectivity. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like, oh well, it doesn't count. There was no
Speaker 1: It was like understanding. It's like you get this immortal
Speaker 1: soul understanding of this bigger picture, and it's just part
Speaker 1: of letting go. You know. The other thing that I
Speaker 1: just remembered, which I thought was odd, was I was
Speaker 1: asked when we were talking about the second time we
Speaker 1: sat down, Mina and Raoul had asked me, do you
Speaker 1: want to remember this or do you want to not
Speaker 1: remember this? Oh? He said that with the trajectory that
Speaker 1: I was going the life I was going to go into,
Speaker 1: they advised me to do it, but they also gave
Speaker 1: me the choice of remembering or not. And we talked
Speaker 1: about it, and I chose to do it. So I'm
Speaker 1: wondering how many people that maybe don't remember were given
Speaker 1: that choice. Interesting, Yeah, there's lots of people. Even my
Speaker 1: sister met someone who died on an operating table but
Speaker 1: didn't have any experience of seeing the light or seeing
Speaker 1: relatives or whatever. And maybe maybe it's possible that we
Speaker 1: do get a choice to remember or not remember. Huh.
Speaker 1: Very interesting. Now, how about being psychic? Did you find
Speaker 1: that after you healed? I mean, if you went into
Speaker 1: this being borderline atheists, even though you had these things
Speaker 1: happen as a kid, that you know you had it
Speaker 1: in there. Something must have been magnified that you decided
Speaker 1: to go into this as a career or make it
Speaker 1: part of your career. Well, the thing is, the first
Speaker 1: time I shut off my intuition or my psychic party
Speaker 1: you can shut off, was when I had that priestom,
Speaker 1: that accident when I was seven or eight. The second
Speaker 1: time was when I was supposed to die when I
Speaker 1: was twenty one. I was supposed to be with my fiance.
Speaker 1: We were getting married in August. It was like a
Speaker 1: picture perfect love at first sight love and I was
Speaker 1: supposed to be with him in Albuquerque, and at the
Speaker 1: very about ten days before he died, I got very restless,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to go back to Chicago and earn
Speaker 1: as much money as I could for school. And he
Speaker 1: kept saying to me that he had premonitions that he
Speaker 1: was going to die and begged me to stay. And
Speaker 1: he wasn't full of game. And here I am working
Speaker 1: in psychology and college, but off campus, I had a
Speaker 1: wick and high priesis. I had two medicine people and
Speaker 1: a West African shaman who I was doing apprenticeships with
Speaker 1: wow opening up and I was supposedly I mean, I
Speaker 1: say that, but because I didn't feel like it. I
Speaker 1: was very psychic, and I was working with Tara and
Speaker 1: numerology and you know, herbs and ceremony and energy and
Speaker 1: all the stuff. And I didn't feel anything like that
Speaker 1: in Sean's aura. And I kept teasing him and saying
Speaker 1: I was going to rub his words, his nose and
Speaker 1: his words when I got back at the end of August.
Speaker 1: In fact, he called me two days before he died
Speaker 1: and begged me to come back. And it was midnight
Speaker 1: because I was working two jobs and that's the only
Speaker 1: time he could get me, and he wouldn't hang up,
Speaker 1: and I hung up, and then two days later he dies,
Speaker 1: you know, and it was like I just went on
Speaker 1: such a tailspin. But then when I was upstairs, that
Speaker 1: made sense because he and I had come down from
Speaker 1: the same soul group to help facilitate. We had contracted
Speaker 1: to leave when I was twenty one, and I didn't
Speaker 1: go at the last second, decided to jump my contract
Speaker 1: and stay on Earth, and so all those things kind
Speaker 1: of made sense to me. But when he died, it
Speaker 1: devastated me, and I remember I kind of took it
Speaker 1: out on one of my teachers when I came back,
Speaker 1: because I went down to rent like a five hours
Speaker 1: we talked and I kept saying to her, how could
Speaker 1: I not see this? How could you not see this?
Speaker 1: How could you knew him? You know? How could nobody
Speaker 1: see this? He knew it? And she tried to explain
Speaker 1: it to me, and I stayed with her another month,
Speaker 1: working with her, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I just walked away from it and said, it's a
Speaker 1: bunch of you know, Coolly, it's a bunch of It's
Speaker 1: a lie. I was faking it, or I was not
Speaker 1: faking it, but I was lying to myself, you know,
Speaker 1: the power of suggestion. Oh yes, I went back into
Speaker 1: science at that point, and that was when I was
Speaker 1: twenty one. And then when I was thirty six is
Speaker 1: when I got run over and I went back into spirit.
Speaker 1: At that point, spend a lot of time in India
Speaker 1: trying to integrate human and spirit in my brain, and
Speaker 1: just did a lot of soul searching and meditation. Wow.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for sharing that, Leslie. We are coming
Speaker 1: to the end of our time together. Do you have
Speaker 1: any closing words for us? It's really recognizing. One of
Speaker 1: the things that always helps me is when I look
Speaker 1: at the bigger picture and watching the news and seeing
Speaker 1: the horrific things that happened, I always go back to
Speaker 1: the day I was born and I look at the
Speaker 1: shifts of consciousness that it happened since my birth. And
Speaker 1: there's many and there's another there's certain different web pages
Speaker 1: online that have optimistic news and their business people. They're
Speaker 1: not like but they show all the positive things. Look
Speaker 1: at the whole picture, don't despare over the small percentage
Speaker 1: of negativity. That's why one of the things I do
Speaker 1: is I always do a world consciousness. You know, what's
Speaker 1: going on all over because the good guys don't get
Speaker 1: the headlines. No, I agree. I always thought there should
Speaker 1: be GNN, the Good News Network. In fact, there probably is.
Speaker 1: There's so much good that's happening in the world, and
Speaker 1: no matter what we focus our attention on, we're going
Speaker 1: to find it. So if we're looking for negative, yes
Speaker 1: we're going to find it. But if we're looking for positive,
Speaker 1: we are going to find it. If we look at
Speaker 1: the people in our life, we can easily pick them apart,
Speaker 1: or we can just look at all their beautiful qualities
Speaker 1: and know that they're doing the very best job they
Speaker 1: can with what they have. What a great time this
Speaker 1: was talking to Leslie and for you our listeners. Just
Speaker 1: a reminder we have lots of stuff going on online
Speaker 1: these days. Ever since so the virus hit the world
Speaker 1: in the beginning part of twenty twenty, we moved so
Speaker 1: many things online. In fact, the beginning of every month
Speaker 1: we start medium classes, psychic classes, something called the Way
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