1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: And you're here. Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. Your quest for podcasts 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained ends here. We 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: invite you to enjoy all our shows we have on 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: this network, and right now, let's start with Chase of 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: the Afterlife with Sandra Shamplain. Welcome to our podcast. Please 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: be aware the thoughts and opinions expressed by the host 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: are their thoughts and opinions only and do not reflect 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast to Coast AM, employees of 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: Premiere Networks, or their sponsors and associates. We would like 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: to encourage you to do your own research and discover 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: the subject matter for yourself. Hi. I'm Sandra Schamplain. For 13 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: almost twenty five years, I've been on a journey to 14 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: prove the existence of life after death. Each episode will 15 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: discuss the reasons we now know that our loved ones 16 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: have survived physical death and so will we. Welcome to 17 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. First, I want to say thank 18 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: you for listening. Coming from producer Tom. The numbers have 19 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: been growing. You guys have been sharing the show I've 20 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: been receiving dozens of emails from listeners, and so many 21 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: of you have taken me up on the request to 22 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: join our Facebook group, which, just to remind you, go 23 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: to we Don't Die dot com and at the top 24 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: one of the tabs says facebook group, So join in 25 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: you can participate. One of the things that I've heard 26 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: quite often though, is more near death experiences. Yeah. I 27 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: like them too, really good stories of what people experience 28 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: when they cross over, and thankfully they've come back. So 29 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: today on the show, we have another experience just for you, 30 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: as you've asked for it. We have Leslie Lupo and 31 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: she's trained in psychology and NLP, which is neuro linguistic programming. 32 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: She's also a long time intuitive therapist and she's the 33 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: author of the book Remember Every Breath is Precious. Hello Leslie, Hello, 34 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: very honored that you contacted me. Oh, it is my 35 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: pleasure of course. Leslie. Can you tell us how you 36 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: got into this wonderful world and what you know about 37 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: life after death? It all started in March of eighty eight. 38 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: I was working at a dude ranch and I was 39 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: the vice president of operations. At that point. You bounce 40 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: around a lot between different departments to help whoever's needed, 41 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: and one of the cowboys was not feeling well, so 42 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: I jumped into the wrangling department and helped out. At 43 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 1: the end of the day, we were on and saddling 44 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: waiting for the last two rides to come in, and 45 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: two horses had snuck out the gate and run down 46 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: to the hay barn with their saddles on, which is 47 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: dangerous for the horses. They can get hurt if they roll, 48 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: and it's a problem. So I ran down to the 49 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: hay barn with two halters to grab the horses and 50 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,399 Speaker 1: come up. And I don't know if people know horses, 51 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: but they're not like on television where they're just so 52 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: sweet and like a puppy, especially a large herd. We 53 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: had like over a hundred horses. But the thing about 54 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: them is there's never enough food for them. No matter 55 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: how much you put them up. They will eat to 56 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: their fill, but there's still panicky. So everybody's jammed in 57 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: eating at the end of the day, and I had 58 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: to try to wiggle between horses to bring them in, 59 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: and at first I thought it was really lucky because 60 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: they were standing right next to each other, but as 61 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: it turned out, it was hard for me to make 62 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: it through where all the saddle and the stirrups were 63 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: so at one point I was clucking and poking them, 64 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: and they just kind of looked at me, like, hey, 65 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: you're smaller than me and I'm hungry, and ignored me. 66 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: At one point, I turned around to try to push 67 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: myself backwards, and at that moment, my mind, or my consciousness, 68 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: my soul popped out of my body and stood about 69 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: six feet away watching it. I was really shocked. I 70 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: remember thinking what, but I couldn't even think of words 71 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: as I watched myself continue to try to wiggle in 72 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: between those two horses, and all of a sudden, one 73 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: of the horses on my left me the soul body, 74 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: not me the person, and the horses screeched and the 75 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: six or seven horses around me bolted. At that time, 76 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: I and my right arm went through the stirrup of 77 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: the horse, and because I was dragging on him when 78 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: he was trying to run with the other horses, he 79 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: first hit me with his head. He kind of headbutted 80 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: me sideways, which caused me to go crashing into the 81 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: corner of concrete and metal. The hay Barn and I 82 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: dropped like a sack of rocks. I'm watching all this 83 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: with the awareness I didn't feel. I mean, my body 84 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: was screaming. I didn't feel a thing. I didn't feel 85 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: any nervousness. I didn't feel any despair. I didn't feel 86 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: any pain. But it was almost like dispattunately watching it, 87 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: like wow, you know, like what's going on? And it 88 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: just took a few seconds to be over. But I 89 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: knew I was dead, and I knew it. I mean, 90 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: there was never a doubt in my mind. Yet my 91 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: first reaction was to start giggling. I remember thinking, this 92 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: is it, this is what everyone's so afraid of. I'm 93 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: still here and I'm still thinking. And I felt such 94 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: peacefulness and love and freshness. It was kind of like 95 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: if you could picture taking off a body girdle that's 96 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: four sizes too small, how fresh you would feel? Oh, 97 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: I would imagine, Yeah, Like like you know when you're 98 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 1: walking around in a towel after a shower, you feel 99 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: so fresh. It was almost like every cell had separated 100 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: and this beautiful breeze was going through and I felt 101 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: such just peacefulness and completeness and that this is the 102 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: way it should be, this feeling, and you know, I'm 103 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: a very curious person. So the first next thing I 104 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: thought was, WHOA, what do I look like? So I 105 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: looked down at myself, and I still in my blue 106 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: jeans and my boots and everything. And it wasn't see 107 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: through or anything like that, but I didn't notice. It 108 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: was almost like this little tiny mist was rising off 109 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: of me. And the mist was just a little tiny 110 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: bit of blue and this mist that was rising off 111 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: of me. The other thing I noticed was how intensely 112 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,679 Speaker 1: accurate my vision was. When we were staring at something, 113 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: we look at the center, and then by the time 114 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: we get out a few feet on either side into 115 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: the edges of our periphal vision, it's gone. And that 116 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: didn't happen. It was as if everything within my peryphool 117 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: vision was perfectly in focus, and yet it wasn't overwhelming, 118 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: like too much information. The same thing was sound. I 119 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: heard every little bird, I've heard every little scurry of 120 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: a lizard, you know. The horses were chomping again. I 121 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: could hear their woofing. Breathfast kind of grabbed the alfalfa. 122 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: So I just stood there, marveling at everything. And then 123 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: down by the bottom of the holding ten, I saw 124 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: the cowboys. Both rides were back, so they opened the gate, 125 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: and I felt this really sweet nostalgia, like, oh, I 126 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: know what they were doing. I've done that, you know, 127 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: Like it was almost like going back to a merry 128 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: go around and watching children ride on it and remembering 129 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: how thrilling it was when I was a little that 130 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: kind of just happiness. And they came in and they 131 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: started up, you know, got the guests and closed the gate, 132 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: started towards the unsaddling part and saw the boss's wife 133 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: laying face down in the manure, and raced over and 134 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: I was just a few feet from them, and they 135 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: flipped me over and started trying to resuscitate me, and 136 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: no matter how much ice cream, please don't, please don't, 137 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: I'm fine. They kept trying, and two of the guests 138 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: had gotten down, and both we were both doing his 139 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: CPR together, and one man that was doing the breath 140 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: kept watching his watch. And then after whatever minutes they 141 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: said it was six or seven minutes, they stopped and 142 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: they still couldn't get breath. And the cowboys later told 143 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: me that my skin was pure gray and my lips 144 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: were the color of my blue jeans, and one of 145 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: the men sat back and said, go get Bob. She's gone. 146 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: So at that point it was interesting because I began 147 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: to let go of being in tison. But two son 148 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: just started to fade. I know a lot of people 149 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 1: have talked about feeling like they were lifted up or above. 150 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't feeling like I was standing on 151 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: the ground, but just like maybe a foot above. But 152 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: it's almost as if this world started emerging. Two Sons 153 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: started fading, and another world came in with true, it 154 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: was an oak forest. It was a very thick oak forest, 155 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: and my impression was, I'm just going to another level. 156 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: Like I studied energy, and I know the magnetic field 157 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: and the color spectrum and the sound spectrum, and I 158 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: felt like I was being moved to a different part 159 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: of those spectrums, you know, outside what we normally see, 160 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: because I got the impression that it was just me 161 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: closing my eyes and waking up and being in a 162 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: different on a different plane, but in the same area. 163 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: And it was a beautiful oak forest, and all of 164 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: the crisp alertness that I had downstairs is what I 165 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: call earth, and upstairs is what I call heaven. All 166 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: that Christmas was a bit gone. I felt like, you know, 167 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: you wake up a little groggy because you had two 168 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: glasses of wine and might be both just groggy. You know. 169 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: I was kind of like trying to get my sea legs, 170 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: so to speak. And everything was so intensified as far 171 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: as the beauty and the peacefulness. All I could feel 172 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: was this extraordinary level of selfless love. I know that 173 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: we've had speakers here and Tuson and a few of 174 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: them had talked about the unconditional love, and for me, 175 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: I just use a different word because the time that 176 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: I feel it on earth. If you've ever given someone 177 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: a present and are opening it up and they look 178 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: at you and the look in their eyes, you know 179 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: it was a perfect thing, or like a give a 180 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: gift like that to a child, and look at the 181 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: joy they feel. When you know you hit the bulls eye. 182 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: We get this rush through our bodies that just makes 183 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: us feel so alive and loved because it's a selfless 184 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: gift of giving someone something you know will bring them 185 00:11:55,559 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: great joy and that kind of feeling, you know that, 186 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: that selfless love, And the other thing I was amazed 187 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: at was it was a very thick forest. Now I 188 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: live in a forest here in Tucsung. There's not many 189 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: of them, but for some reason, I have a house 190 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: here and there's a great deal of shade and shadow. 191 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: I noticed that there was no shadows. It was as 192 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: if I walked up and I was looking at the 193 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: ferns and the trees and the bushes, and it was 194 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: as if they were lit from within. And the other 195 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: thing I can say is this evening, when the sun 196 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: is setting, go out and put a tree between you 197 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: and the sun. And when you see the sunlight coming 198 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: through the leaves, that's maybe ten percent of what it 199 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: is upstairs, but you get that feeling of how things 200 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 1: are all lit from within. Leslie, we have to take 201 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: a quick break and when we come back, we'll find 202 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: out more about your forest. It sounds extraordinary and for 203 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:03,359 Speaker 1: those listening, you can check out Leslie Joan Lupo dot com. 204 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: We'll be back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife 205 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 206 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain 207 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: and we are with Leslie Lupo as she talks about 208 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: her near death experience after being trampled by some horses. Wow, Leslie, 209 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: you were just talking about being in the most radiant 210 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: forest with no shadows. What happened next? I kept marveling, 211 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: like just touching things. I walked over too. There was 212 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: a little river behind me, so I walked over, and 213 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: there were box and there was a lovely splashing sound, 214 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: and I saw some ferns dripping in and these spiky 215 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: flowers and butterflies, and there were birds flitting around and singing. 216 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: And then I turned back. That was to my right. 217 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: I turned back and I saw over on my left 218 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: a little opening in the forest and there was a 219 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: table that kind of looked like lapis Missouli that were 220 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: blue lappis and chairs around it. And I was watching 221 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: the table and it was again as if things were 222 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: still coming through. There was people standing around there, a 223 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: group of people. So I walked over and everybody greeted me. 224 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: And at that point it was really the first time 225 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: where I got a really strong sense of something familiar, like, 226 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: wad a minute, I know these people, I know this place. 227 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: And I sat down. There was eleven other people, and 228 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: there were five women and six men and there we 229 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: sat around this big oval table. In the middle of 230 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: the table or some wavy lines that kind of looked 231 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: like when you're driving and you see those heat waves. 232 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: Because they were just wavy, I really couldn't see people 233 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: on the other side of the table. I could see 234 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: just really the people around me. And because they were 235 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: so I was so groggy. It took me a while 236 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: to really process. Well, I don't know what a while is. 237 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: It wasn't as sharp as I was downstairs, where everything 238 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: was sing being being. I noticed a woman on my 239 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: right and I recognized her because when I was really, 240 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: really little, I used to see what I called angels 241 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: in my bedroom, in the garden and all around me. 242 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: Every once in a while, not all the time, but 243 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: ever once in a while it would almost be like 244 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: something kind of kept me still, and then I would 245 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: see this woman was next to me and her name 246 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: was Mina. It popped in my mind and I wasn't 247 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: sure if I was remembering it or if it was telepathic. 248 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: One more thing before that before I saw them me again, 249 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: what do I look like? And I had this long 250 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: dress on and it was a deep, deep Prussian blue 251 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: and it was very elaborately embroidered with little gold, and 252 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: I looked my hands looked like babies, you know, like 253 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: I was maybe twenty years old. It was just very young. 254 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: And I had big, really large kind of like almost 255 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: like nickel and border size freckles, just a few, but 256 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: they were really light. And then I was like touching 257 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: my Okay, I have short curly hair, short hair. I 258 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: like long hair. I was thinking. And so when I 259 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: walked over the table, everyone was so harmoniously beautifully dressed 260 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: it they looked like felted wool, or they looked like 261 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: silk or cottons, beautiful embroideries, and everyone again looked very 262 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: very young. It looked like college kids, except for their eyes. 263 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: There was so much soul and wisdom in the eyes. 264 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: And I looked over on my right there was a 265 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: gentleman sitting and he had long hair and a beard. 266 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: But it was interesting because everyone was so harmoniously dressed 267 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: by him, and his name was Raoul, and he had 268 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: this brilliant right ultra violet shirt on, and then he 269 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: had these pants on that where this kind of garish 270 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: orangey brown, and I was thinking to myself, well, now 271 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: wait a minute, you've got all the colors of the 272 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: universe to work with. Who dressed you? You know, I 273 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: was thinking, well, man, they must see you know that 274 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: even up stairs, I can't dress himself. No, I'm kidding, 275 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: but well, the funny part is this Rao is actually 276 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: the arguatic, which I knew nothing about this until actually 277 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. Rao is a planet in Sanskrit, 278 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: and Mina is pisces in Sanskrit. And on that date 279 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: I had the accident. Rao was going through Nina, which 280 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: happens every twenty years. And the other thing, Rao's color 281 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: is ultra violet and his stone is hessanite garnet, which 282 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: is orange brown garnet. So that we finally made tense 283 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: to me after twenty six years, I figured, oh, okay, 284 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: that makes sense. But I sat down and Nina and 285 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 1: Rao were the only ones that talked to me, and 286 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: they explained that I had gone down on a mission 287 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 1: with my soul group and this was the remnant that 288 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: had stayed behind. There was ten that were stayed behind 289 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: originally and twenty went down and I had contracted to 290 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: come up when I was twenty one with another person 291 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: on the sole group. We were just going to come down, 292 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: shift consciousness and bring in a level of forgiveness and 293 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: begin to open the door to a huge shift of consciousness. 294 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: She explained to me that between the years of forty 295 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: five and sixty five, you know, with a few years 296 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: on either side, the majority of very very very old 297 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: salts had come down after the two World Wars to 298 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: help shift awareness and bring up consciousness. And I and 299 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: another Soule group person were supposed to pop back up 300 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: at twenty one, but she said at the time, right 301 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: before I was supposed to go, I turned and jumped 302 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: my contract. She said, that's not a problem. You are 303 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: a volunteer and they don't mind any amount of help 304 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: on Earth. But now you have a choice. You didn't 305 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: contract to have two children. You have two children. You 306 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: can stay up here. Of that, you know, you do 307 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: not have to go back to Earth. However, think of 308 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: how it will impact the children. They will have no 309 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: problems either way. But you have a decision to make 310 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: if you can go down to Earth or you can 311 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: stay up here. You have to think about this. And 312 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: so Raoul and I walked around a little and I 313 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: went to meditate in this cave behind a waterfall, he 314 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: brought me to a place. He said, this is a 315 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: place that you like to go for stillness. And when 316 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: I went in, there was a very potent light being 317 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: there and as soon as I walked in, I recognized 318 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: it to be Jesus. Now, the interesting thing is this 319 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: accident came at a time in my life when I 320 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: was basically agnostic, bordering on atheists. I had no interest 321 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: in spirituality. I was a good person. I was a 322 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: hard worker, I was a brother, I was a good friend. 323 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: I was very science minded. You know, I was not 324 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: quite a materialist or atheist, but I was definitely not 325 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: at all interested in any spirituality. I had left that 326 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: behind due to a tragedy and during college and I 327 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: just gave up on all that spiritual stuff and just 328 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: went into work. And so me seeing someone like Jesus 329 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: really did surprise me because I wasn't, you know, a fan, 330 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: but I just had no I mean, I believe Jesus, 331 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 1: I believed at that time Jesus existed, etc. But it 332 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: was really interesting because he had such a strong aura 333 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: and such a loving aura, and we talked about forgiveness 334 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: and he actually had me laid down on this cable 335 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: that was like white. It was beautiful white marble. In fact, 336 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: the whole inside of the cave was polished. It looked 337 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: like it been handcarved and polished, and little like symbols 338 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: and ledges were put around there. But it was it 339 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: was actually quite huge. It was probably like forty feet 340 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: by forty feet. He took a little bowl with white 341 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: marble and he had I could smell rose and sandalwood, 342 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: and he put them on all my chakras and he said, 343 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: we've done a lot of work. We want you to relax. 344 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to clear some stuff off of you. And 345 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: so he put them on all my chakras, and then 346 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: he also put it on my ankles and on my wrists, 347 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: and we talked a little about forgiveness and self forgiveness, 348 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: how difficult it is to accomplish what you feel a 349 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: goal is. When you're working part of a team, you 350 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: have to be patient, you know and understand that the 351 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: goal is emerging, and to be patient. And then I 352 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: was peaking at him, so he put another big blop 353 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: on my forehead, my third eye, and we were laughing, 354 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: and he just told me to rest, and I think 355 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: I napped, because I do remember closing my eyes, and 356 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: then when I opened them, he was gone. So I 357 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: climbed down and Raoul had pointed me out to the village, saying, 358 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: go over there when you're done. I walked over, and 359 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: I walked into this big, huge room, a building you 360 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: could put an indoor football dome inside the middle of it. 361 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: It was that large, and the gate the doors were 362 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: wide open, and I walked in and there were all 363 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: the walls were covered with these tiny little like a dentist, 364 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,239 Speaker 1: old dentist office, those little drawers. Yeah, And so I 365 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: walked over and I pulled open a couple of the drawers, 366 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: and I was looking at different scrolls in different books, 367 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: and again was that memory, like, oh, I could read this. 368 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: It looked familiar, but I couldn't quite grasp what it was. 369 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: And I put them back and I walked along again, 370 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: and then I saw there were these transepts on either 371 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: side that were mimicking The room had again huge, all 372 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: this library, and I got about halfway through and there 373 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: was this little pedestal that looked like it was made 374 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: out of bake light, which she's kind of like a 375 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: white glossy material like the old telephones were made out 376 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: of big light, but this was white, and another being, 377 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: a big, really bright being came up. She was probably 378 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: if I'm five foot six, she was maybe nine feet tall, 379 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: and she had this beautiful robe on. It was indigo 380 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: on the top that kind of went into white, like 381 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: brilliant white at the at the hem. And she introduced herself, 382 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,239 Speaker 1: but I didn't catch her name because it was like 383 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: a melody, and this was very telepathic. I was listening 384 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: to her, and she said, I only come when I'm called. 385 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: Will you have a question, And I said, I'm sorry, 386 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: I don't understand your name. And she laughed, which sounds 387 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: like this beautiful laugh, you know, and kind of sounded 388 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: like little glass chimes. And she then said, on Earth 389 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: they called me Saraswati. And so she said, what information 390 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: and what had happened was right before my accident. I 391 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: felt like I had really like just something had turned 392 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: off my hope. Leslie. I know you have a lot 393 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: more to say, but we need to go for a break, 394 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: so we'll hear more about this incredible woman when we 395 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: come back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on 396 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 397 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain 398 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: and we are with Leslie Lupo, who was trampled by 399 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: horses and had a near death experience. Leslie, you were 400 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: just talking very descriptively about your experience in the hereafter 401 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: and you met a beautiful woman and you said something 402 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: turned off your hope. Can you tell us more about that? 403 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: What had happened was I had come across an article 404 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: that was written in honor of some anniversary, or maybe 405 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: the lady was trying to go for an appeal or 406 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: get out of prison. But the woman had these three little, 407 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: gorgeous baby girls. And I saw this picture of these 408 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: three little children. My children were three years old and 409 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: one years old, and you have all that mummy juice, 410 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: you know, and you're looking at this beauture. Oh, three 411 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: little babies. And then I read the story of this 412 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: woman who took her children one by one and shopped 413 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: them because her girlfriends were going out and she couldn't. 414 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 1: She was a hype, like eighteen or nineteen, and she 415 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: had three children already. She had a child every year 416 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: for three years, and all with different fathers, and she 417 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 1: tried to make it like someone to come in, and 418 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: it knocked me for a loop that a mother could 419 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: have a visceral connection to these babies and think of 420 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: so little of them. And I just felt like, you know, 421 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: I would have taken those children. One hundred thousand people 422 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,479 Speaker 1: have taken those children. You could have taken them and 423 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: just given them up for adoption. And I just felt 424 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: very frustrated when I read that, and I could feel 425 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: myself just shut down. And then she explained it to 426 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: me by saying, you know, again, you have to keep 427 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: your eye in the big picture, and you don't know, 428 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: you know what their karma is to understand that. But 429 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: at the end of the conversation it was very it 430 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: was very hopeful. You know. She kept showing me ways 431 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: to take a breath and keep your eye in the 432 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: bigger picture. And she also was kind of both during 433 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: me with just letting me get a feeling of you know, 434 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: you've got your breath now you can understand that that 435 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: is sometimes what happens in life. Because I was still 436 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: going back to how could God let this happen? And 437 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: her answer was basically, God didn't let it happen. Humans 438 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: let it happen, So you can't blame spirit for this. 439 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: This is showing that there's a lot of things that 440 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: still need to be fixed. Just to be patient and 441 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: recognize that not one person is going to change at all. 442 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: It's going to be a group effort. And it reminded 443 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: me of the random acts of kindness, remember when that 444 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: first started coming out, and she was very very adamant 445 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: that stopping to let someone in mine if you've got 446 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: fifty things and they have one, letting them jump ahead 447 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,479 Speaker 1: of you, or when we're going down from three lanes 448 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: to one lane. The more polite people are about letting 449 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: people in the quicker you get through, rather than the 450 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: people that race ahead and try to shoulder their way 451 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: in being polite. Whether they say thank you or not, 452 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: it is irrelevant. So she kind of reminded me that, 453 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: and then she also just gave me like the light 454 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: around her was so intense. And she also told me 455 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: this was one of my favorite places to hang out 456 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: because this was the Hall of Records, and we call 457 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: it the Akashic Records, but upstairs they called it the 458 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: Hall of Records, where everything was new or cutting edge 459 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: was up there, and oh, no, wonder, I like Encyclopedia 460 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: so much online, and I spent so much time researching 461 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: new scientific breakthroughs, you know, whether it's physics or magnetic 462 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: field or biology or health. I'm always reading. I'd like 463 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: to keep abreast of what's cutting edge. And so then 464 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,239 Speaker 1: I finally went out and Mina was waiting for me. 465 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: So we went over to a smaller building and she said, 466 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: now we need to decide, and we had a really 467 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: long talk. And the interesting thing was it was the 468 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: first time I began to feel tired. When we were 469 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: walking over. I could feel tired, which I had never 470 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: felt before. In fact, I had never felt any negative emotion. 471 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: I didn't feel fear. And it's interesting how we have 472 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: it so hardwired in our psyche, with that reptilian or 473 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: what they call the animal brain, that fight or flight reflex. 474 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: How totally you know, it's part of our our dynamics. 475 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: Is a human, yes, And that's zero up there. All 476 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: you have is all the high, happy, loving parts of you, 477 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: and all of the fear or conquering or competition or 478 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: all the negativity envy you know Greek. Oh, they didn't 479 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: even there was not even a quirk of that in me. 480 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: So that was like again, that was so joyful. So 481 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: we sat down and we talked about a few things. Again. 482 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: They showed me in that little wavy line like when 483 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: I first got up. They showed me the accident so 484 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: I could understand why the horses panicked if they had 485 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: actually let out the herd boss Montana was his name, 486 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: And to be the her boss of a hundred horses, 487 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: you've got to be really cranky and mean and tough. 488 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,959 Speaker 1: And when they come down, all they have to do 489 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: is put their ears back. And he nipped one of 490 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: the horses, and that was the horse that screeched, and 491 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: they all scattered like pigeons on a square, you know, 492 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: just bolt and I just happened to be in the 493 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: wrong place at the wrong time. And then we talked 494 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: about my decision whether I would what do I do 495 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: up here and what will I do back there? And 496 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: the thing that she said I would do up there 497 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: was really really fascinating to me because it made a 498 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: lot of sense from some of the people, so many 499 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: of the people I meet as a therapist. What she 500 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: explained to me was this that throughout the evolution of 501 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: human as a bodymind, spirit being, there have been very, 502 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: very very old souls which will incarnate to shift energy 503 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: and to be teachers. In other words, you could be 504 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: going talking to the safe weight who guy who's bagging 505 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: your groceries, who's never going to stop doing that for 506 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: his entire career, And he could be an extremely old 507 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,719 Speaker 1: soul who's having a nice, pleasant life, but he's just 508 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: here to ground the energy, whereas other people are teachers. 509 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: But the thing that's different is those old souls were 510 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: put into families that supported that, like the Dalai Lama 511 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: when he was born, the two months found him from 512 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: astrology predictions and he saw, at the age of seventies, 513 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: two months walking up, and he ran home and said 514 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: to his mother, I have to go, you know, he 515 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: was like six or seven, and his mother supported that, 516 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: and then he went into a monstery where all he 517 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: did was learn and train in the spiritual to raise 518 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: spiritual consciousness. So Mina said that around the eighteen sixties 519 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: that the energy had shifted enough on Earth to where 520 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: they started a new problem, which was a volunteer program. 521 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: So if you could picture like a bunch of old 522 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: souls being around condens and ashrams and synagogues and temples 523 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: and things like that, different mosques, you know, different places 524 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: of learned people that were spiritually learned. The children would 525 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: be brought in, or they would be brought into families 526 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: that honored that gift of the child. But what they 527 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: did was they and she showed me kind of a 528 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: little movie of me doing it, where I had a 529 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: little tiny light about as big as a half a 530 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: grain of rice, and I was looking over a map 531 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: where you could see the light being clusters, and I 532 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: was putting it right in the middle as far away 533 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: from any light as I could, so that this older 534 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: soul had to come in. And they were talking about 535 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: They said, it's like we're bringing light into the shape, 536 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: not like the shadow saw i'd like young talked about, 537 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: or dark. It was just a place where there was 538 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: not light, just people that hadn't been exposed to it yet. 539 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,959 Speaker 1: But they were totally alone at that point. They had 540 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: to go inside and find that light within. So they 541 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: may have been born into aggressive, hateful families, they may 542 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: have been born into fear based, fundamentalist type families, but 543 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: they were born into families that did not recognize their 544 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: soul level and taught them against it. So I call 545 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: them Houdini kids because Houdini used to be blindfold tied up, 546 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: put into a bag, and thrown into the ocean. He 547 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: had to get himself out. So these beings, these light beings, 548 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: had to go inside and find that light within them 549 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: and say, no, this is not right. So for all 550 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 1: the children that were born and felt like they landed 551 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: in the wrong family, that they and not in a 552 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: superiority way, just like there's no one here for me 553 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: to talk to about what I'm thinking or feeling, and 554 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: people tend to squash that out of people. They can 555 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: terrify you. I remember asking a priest one time that 556 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: used to come to our house for dinner about the 557 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,720 Speaker 1: angels I saw, and he said that they're devils because 558 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: he just thought I was an overimaginative child. And so 559 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 1: he took his water and he blessed it and he 560 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 1: sprinkled it on me. He said, now, if you're possessed 561 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: by the devil, your skin will sizzle. And I was terrified. 562 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: I think he just thought I was an overimaginative child, 563 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: and he wanted to, you know, put the fear of 564 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: God into me or whatever he was, and I, oh, 565 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,919 Speaker 1: it worked, and it happened like a week after I 566 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: had psychically seen a car accident before it happened, and 567 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 1: it happened, and then I thought I caused it. So 568 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 1: I was very com views, but I shut down. I 569 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: just shut off anything that had to do with spirit. 570 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: And now it was about seven or eight when that happened. 571 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: So people were born into some of them were very 572 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: loving families, but they just didn't couldn't teach the PhD 573 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: level of spiritual not have been in sixth grade in 574 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 1: their evolutionary levels, so they had to find their own 575 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: light with him. I've had so many people in lectures 576 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: when I'm doing this lecture come up to me and say, 577 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I always thought it would change. You know, 578 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: I was looking and then you'll find you know, as 579 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 1: soon as you find out, you know, no, I'm okay 580 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: like You're okay like you, but I'm okay like me. 581 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 1: That also brings across the idea that there's many different 582 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: paths to the top of the mountain. And Buddha said, yeah, so, 583 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: which is a good thing. Yeah, And I felt very 584 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,439 Speaker 1: much alone with my thoughts and stuff like that. So yeah, 585 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: but now you've got your tribe arounds you, don't you. 586 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, yeah, Well I shouldn't say hell, but yes, 587 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: you are you going to tell me? I have the 588 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: sneaky suspicion that when you return back to your body 589 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: it was only minutes that you were out. I don't 590 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: want to finish up your Your time goes by very quickly. Okay, Yeah, 591 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: I say that they said I was born. The guests 592 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: whom it was ten to twelve minutes minimum, probably twelve 593 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: to fifteen maximum. That's a long time, Leslie. Well, you 594 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: know the weird part is is that if I show 595 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: my cat scams to neurologists like Evan and other neurologists, yeah, 596 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,359 Speaker 1: I'll look at me and they go, you should be dead, 597 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: you should be a vegetable, Leslie. We have to take 598 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: our last break and we'll be back. You're listening to 599 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to 600 00:37:49,440 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of 601 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we are with Leslie 602 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: Lupo as she shares her near death experience. And Leslie, 603 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: if you were out from ten to fifteen minutes, you're 604 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: really lucky to be alive. And I was in the 605 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 1: hospital like almost three months. I mean, it was a 606 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: massive head injury, and you know, I had to go 607 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: through all that coming back and getting back in my 608 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 1: life and figuring out how to organize myself because I 609 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,399 Speaker 1: left an agnostic and came back going Okay, I got 610 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: to go back to the light. I can't ignore it anymore. 611 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: You know, do you remember making the choice that you 612 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,439 Speaker 1: wanted to come back and be with your kids? And yes, yes, 613 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: we talked about it both ways. And the funny part 614 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: was once I said, you know, I looked at my children, 615 00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: they showed me my children, They showed me the things 616 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,359 Speaker 1: that would do down here. I'd go back into my 617 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: psychology background, which is what I did. But you know 618 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: when I finally said yes, then they started to stop 619 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,879 Speaker 1: me and they go on, now, wait a minute, it's 620 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: going to be really, really difficult. You're going to have 621 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: a few years in which you are going to have 622 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: to be very isolated. You know, you're going to have 623 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 1: to integrate this. And I'm thinking a few years. What's 624 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: a few years? I mean you're up in infinity with 625 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: a couple of years, you know. And then I made 626 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,399 Speaker 1: the decision. And then finally I came and I went 627 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: into a room in which I was seated, and then 628 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: I felt like I was being compressed, like I was 629 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,839 Speaker 1: being squished into a sausage casing. And Raoul was with me, 630 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: and I guessed, and he stopped the process and he said, remember, 631 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,439 Speaker 1: you don't have to go back. You can stay here. 632 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: And I looked at him, and then I thought of 633 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: my children again, and I thought now and what I 634 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,839 Speaker 1: could do to help down here with bringing hope, which 635 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 1: was my next mission. And I said, no, I can 636 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: do that. I'll go back. And that's when he said 637 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: to me, remember every breath is precious. And then I 638 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 1: just went clunk and hit the ground. What I find interesting, too, Leslie, 639 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: is that your soul stepped out of your body before 640 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: the accident happened, is what he made it sound like. 641 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: Which is that right? Yes? But you know what's interesting 642 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 1: is I used to work in a nursing home when 643 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 1: I first got out of college. I had a psych 644 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: degree in me during in gerontology, and there were no 645 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,879 Speaker 1: hospices there. There were so many people. When we would 646 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: call them and say your mother and your father's dying, 647 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: they would say, call me when it's over. And my 648 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: motto was, no one dies alone. On my watch, so 649 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: I would go in and sit with them, and I 650 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 1: saw that time and time and time again where the 651 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: soul would leave even though the people were talking. It 652 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: was almost like I could sense it standing there, joyful 653 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: and very happy as the body was dying. And sometimes 654 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: it would be two to three minutes. One lady was 655 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 1: about either nine minutes before I could sense that. And 656 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: even my father died in my arms and my brother's arms. 657 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 1: He had fallen and we were holding him, and I 658 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,800 Speaker 1: saw his soul jump out and I said, he's dying, 659 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 1: don't pick him up. And Tommy looked at me and 660 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: said he's still talking and said, no, if he's over there, 661 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,879 Speaker 1: And then like another minute later, my dad passed. So 662 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: I think that the soul. I'm not going to say 663 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,280 Speaker 1: every time, but I'm wondering how often that happens, where 664 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,359 Speaker 1: the person pops out before the accident. Yeah. I like 665 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 1: the sound of that. Only after witnessing how my dad 666 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: died of cancer and someone had said to me, it's 667 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: you know, because I witnessed incredible suffering and somebody just said, 668 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,959 Speaker 1: you know, it's possible his soul left the body even 669 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: though he seems to be, you know, moving in pain 670 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. I was screaming. I was screaming 671 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 1: my body. I shouldn't say I, because I was watching it. 672 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:11,800 Speaker 1: I in my body, and Leslie was screaming bloody murder 673 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:16,439 Speaker 1: and getting trampled and smashed in fighting, you know. So 674 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't like it was like I was doped up 675 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: out there. I watched me be brutally run over. But 676 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: like I said, it was dispassionate. I couldn't witness something 677 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: like that in this incarnate and have such objectivity. It 678 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: wasn't like, oh well, it doesn't count. There was no 679 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 1: It was like understanding. It's like you get this immortal 680 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:46,439 Speaker 1: soul understanding of this bigger picture, and it's just part 681 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 1: of letting go. You know. The other thing that I 682 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: just remembered, which I thought was odd, was I was 683 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: asked when we were talking about the second time we 684 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 1: sat down, Mina and Raoul had asked me, do you 685 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 1: want to remember this or do you want to not 686 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: remember this? Oh? He said that with the trajectory that 687 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 1: I was going the life I was going to go into, 688 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,800 Speaker 1: they advised me to do it, but they also gave 689 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: me the choice of remembering or not. And we talked 690 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: about it, and I chose to do it. So I'm 691 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,240 Speaker 1: wondering how many people that maybe don't remember were given 692 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 1: that choice. Interesting, Yeah, there's lots of people. Even my 693 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 1: sister met someone who died on an operating table but 694 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: didn't have any experience of seeing the light or seeing 695 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 1: relatives or whatever. And maybe maybe it's possible that we 696 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 1: do get a choice to remember or not remember. Huh. 697 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,240 Speaker 1: Very interesting. Now, how about being psychic? Did you find 698 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: that after you healed? I mean, if you went into 699 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 1: this being borderline atheists, even though you had these things 700 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: happen as a kid, that you know you had it 701 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:10,760 Speaker 1: in there. Something must have been magnified that you decided 702 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: to go into this as a career or make it 703 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 1: part of your career. Well, the thing is, the first 704 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 1: time I shut off my intuition or my psychic party 705 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 1: you can shut off, was when I had that priestom, 706 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,760 Speaker 1: that accident when I was seven or eight. The second 707 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 1: time was when I was supposed to die when I 708 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,360 Speaker 1: was twenty one. I was supposed to be with my fiance. 709 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,920 Speaker 1: We were getting married in August. It was like a 710 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,719 Speaker 1: picture perfect love at first sight love and I was 711 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: supposed to be with him in Albuquerque, and at the 712 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: very about ten days before he died, I got very restless, 713 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: and I wanted to go back to Chicago and earn 714 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 1: as much money as I could for school. And he 715 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,799 Speaker 1: kept saying to me that he had premonitions that he 716 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,839 Speaker 1: was going to die and begged me to stay. And 717 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,799 Speaker 1: he wasn't full of game. And here I am working 718 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: in psychology and college, but off campus, I had a 719 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 1: wick and high priesis. I had two medicine people and 720 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 1: a West African shaman who I was doing apprenticeships with 721 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 1: wow opening up and I was supposedly I mean, I 722 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: say that, but because I didn't feel like it. I 723 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 1: was very psychic, and I was working with Tara and 724 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 1: numerology and you know, herbs and ceremony and energy and 725 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,680 Speaker 1: all the stuff. And I didn't feel anything like that 726 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,400 Speaker 1: in Sean's aura. And I kept teasing him and saying 727 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: I was going to rub his words, his nose and 728 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 1: his words when I got back at the end of August. 729 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 1: In fact, he called me two days before he died 730 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 1: and begged me to come back. And it was midnight 731 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,319 Speaker 1: because I was working two jobs and that's the only 732 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: time he could get me, and he wouldn't hang up, 733 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,320 Speaker 1: and I hung up, and then two days later he dies, 734 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, and it was like I just went on 735 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 1: such a tailspin. But then when I was upstairs, that 736 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 1: made sense because he and I had come down from 737 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,359 Speaker 1: the same soul group to help facilitate. We had contracted 738 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 1: to leave when I was twenty one, and I didn't 739 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 1: go at the last second, decided to jump my contract 740 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: and stay on Earth, and so all those things kind 741 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 1: of made sense to me. But when he died, it 742 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,920 Speaker 1: devastated me, and I remember I kind of took it 743 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,040 Speaker 1: out on one of my teachers when I came back, 744 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,360 Speaker 1: because I went down to rent like a five hours 745 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: we talked and I kept saying to her, how could 746 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: I not see this? How could you not see this? 747 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,840 Speaker 1: How could you knew him? You know? How could nobody 748 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 1: see this? He knew it? And she tried to explain 749 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 1: it to me, and I stayed with her another month, 750 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 1: working with her, but at the end of the day, 751 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 1: I just walked away from it and said, it's a 752 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 1: bunch of you know, Coolly, it's a bunch of It's 753 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,000 Speaker 1: a lie. I was faking it, or I was not 754 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,400 Speaker 1: faking it, but I was lying to myself, you know, 755 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,120 Speaker 1: the power of suggestion. Oh yes, I went back into 756 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: science at that point, and that was when I was 757 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,279 Speaker 1: twenty one. And then when I was thirty six is 758 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: when I got run over and I went back into spirit. 759 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,080 Speaker 1: At that point, spend a lot of time in India 760 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: trying to integrate human and spirit in my brain, and 761 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,760 Speaker 1: just did a lot of soul searching and meditation. Wow. 762 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,040 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for sharing that, Leslie. We are coming 763 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: to the end of our time together. Do you have 764 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 1: any closing words for us? It's really recognizing. One of 765 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 1: the things that always helps me is when I look 766 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 1: at the bigger picture and watching the news and seeing 767 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 1: the horrific things that happened, I always go back to 768 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 1: the day I was born and I look at the 769 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,719 Speaker 1: shifts of consciousness that it happened since my birth. And 770 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,400 Speaker 1: there's many and there's another there's certain different web pages 771 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,319 Speaker 1: online that have optimistic news and their business people. They're 772 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,960 Speaker 1: not like but they show all the positive things. Look 773 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,600 Speaker 1: at the whole picture, don't despare over the small percentage 774 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,920 Speaker 1: of negativity. That's why one of the things I do 775 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 1: is I always do a world consciousness. You know, what's 776 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: going on all over because the good guys don't get 777 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: the headlines. No, I agree. I always thought there should 778 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,840 Speaker 1: be GNN, the Good News Network. In fact, there probably is. 779 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,360 Speaker 1: There's so much good that's happening in the world, and 780 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,319 Speaker 1: no matter what we focus our attention on, we're going 781 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,279 Speaker 1: to find it. So if we're looking for negative, yes 782 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,799 Speaker 1: we're going to find it. But if we're looking for positive, 783 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,440 Speaker 1: we are going to find it. If we look at 784 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,720 Speaker 1: the people in our life, we can easily pick them apart, 785 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 1: or we can just look at all their beautiful qualities 786 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,080 Speaker 1: and know that they're doing the very best job they 787 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,000 Speaker 1: can with what they have. What a great time this 788 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,799 Speaker 1: was talking to Leslie and for you our listeners. Just 789 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,799 Speaker 1: a reminder we have lots of stuff going on online 790 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,160 Speaker 1: these days. Ever since so the virus hit the world 791 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,480 Speaker 1: in the beginning part of twenty twenty, we moved so 792 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,640 Speaker 1: many things online. In fact, the beginning of every month 793 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 1: we start medium classes, psychic classes, something called the Way 794 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,000 Speaker 1: to Your Spirit, which is just a real nice journey 795 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 1: for your soul and for you to make the most 796 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,120 Speaker 1: of your life. We have tramps in the Altered States 797 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,360 Speaker 1: on Mondays where we can close our eyes and blend 798 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 1: with the energies where our loved ones live. Very special 799 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,360 Speaker 1: and of course on Sundays we offer a free Sunday 800 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:43,439 Speaker 1: gathering and it's really inspirational, positive, fun funny, and there's 801 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:48,160 Speaker 1: a medium demonstration included in each and everyone. 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