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Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: be happy, you want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 3: Edith Steak, is that woo whoo?

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Speaker 1: And Don and tie Dan Rubinstein, At long last we

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm very excited for us. I'm very excited for you.

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Speaker 3: I'm very excited for the listeners.

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Speaker 1: I have been waiting to do this episode. I would

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Speaker 1: check back on my phone. October seventeenth, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: What has that been? Four months? Four plus at least yeah,

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Speaker 1: months that I have wanted to do this episode. The

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Speaker 1: origin story behind this is at some point you and

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Speaker 1: I had a message going on Slack about how college

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Speaker 1: kickers are no longer a punchline.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: College kickers have become something of a secret weapon, at

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Speaker 1: least some of them have. And if you go back

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Speaker 1: through and look at data, many articles have been written

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Speaker 1: charting that there are more fifty yard field goal attempts

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Speaker 1: and we wanted to put an episode together trying to

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Speaker 3: And we're not bright enough to know ourselves, so we

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Speaker 3: had to bring in a guests, an actual expert. Although

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Speaker 3: I have theories they're probably not going to work out

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Speaker 3: as well as somebody who actively coaches an overwhelming number

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Speaker 3: of kickers high school, college and pro So, with that.

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Speaker 1: Being said, today's episode is going to be, in effect,

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Speaker 1: the Solid Verbal Kicking Special, the Kicking Extravaganza. We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk Jamie Cole from Cole's Kicking Camps to understand

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Speaker 1: what it is that he does first and foremost and

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Speaker 1: what he has seen over the last twenty five years

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Speaker 1: kickers are a little bit more consistent. Certainly not the

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Speaker 1: punchline they were, at least on the collegiate level, out

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Speaker 1: on social media and whatnot. I'm excited to learn a

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Speaker 1: little bit more from Jamie understand the art of the

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Speaker 1: perfect kick. Hit, follow, hit, subscribe so that you don't

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Speaker 1: miss any of our episodes moving forward. Of course, for

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Speaker 1: Ballers dot com is where you can go for more

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Speaker 1: information about add free episodes, bonus content, things of that nature.

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Speaker 1: But Dan, this is like the ultimate off season episode

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Speaker 1: for us right now, Like, I'm excited to talk about this.

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Speaker 3: It's also a really important episode the more I think

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Speaker 3: relationships with current and future kickers for Penn State, Notre Dame,

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Speaker 3: But I don't know if I'm going to get there

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Speaker 1: Well, why don't we leave it there, Why don't we

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Speaker 1: Cole from Cole's Kicking. Sir, Welcome to the show. How

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Speaker 1: How is this happening? But to what do you attribute

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Speaker 4: at what they do, and they'd have contradicting ideas on

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Speaker 4: certain things. So I think they're still trying to figure

434
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Speaker 4: that out. But to me, those are probably the main

435
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 4: reasons why you would see that. I think that again,

436
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 4: coaches are creatures a habit. In order to get those

437
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 4: game opportunities that you guys have talked about, I think

438
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 4: the players have to be able to show in practice

439
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 4: that they that they can actually perform it. And so

440
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 4: again having guys who who who are putting all these

441
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Speaker 4: things together to earn that trust, I think that that's

442
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 4: that's that's part of the reason why you're seeing the

443
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Speaker 4: increase in field goal percentage, in field goal attempts, and

444
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Speaker 4: especially from beyond fifty yards where they are more of

445
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 4: a weapon. I would argue that those are some of

446
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Speaker 4: the reasons, and I'm sure that I'm missing a couple

447
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 4: and we can expand on it. I know I've talked

448
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 4: a lot here, but I've just tried to give you

449
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Speaker 4: some background.

450
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Speaker 3: Definitely, one of the things that's always been fascinating to

451
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Speaker 3: me is the special teams coach. The specific responsibilities of

452
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 3: a special teams coach are very different than other coordinators

453
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Speaker 3: than other position coaches in that they're responsible for a

454
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 3: much more varied type of play. Right, you're talking about coverages,

455
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 3: you're talking about kickoffs, you're talking about block teams. You're

456
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Speaker 3: talking about different kinds of kicking, place kicking, kickoffs, punts,

457
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: field goals. There's a lot under that coaches that coordinators, perview,

458
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Speaker 3: Have special teams coordinators gotten better? Do they go to

459
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Speaker 3: camps to learn about snaps and holds?

460
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 4: Right?

461
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Speaker 3: Like they are? You know, they're math teachers, they're English teachers,

462
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: social studies, their history teachers.

463
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 4: Like?

464
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 3: How has the professional development of special teams coordinators even

465
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 3: the last few years evolved?

466
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 4: If at all, yeah, great question. So when I'm around

467
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 4: who I think is one of the world's best with

468
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 4: Chris Tabor, he was with the Bay I mean, he's

469
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 4: been in the NFL for fifteen years, he's got all

470
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 4: the accolades finished. You know, a head coach interim for

471
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks, and I see the level of detail,

472
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 4: of focus of film preparation. I am blown away. And

473
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 4: I am still an infant when it comes to understanding

474
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 4: space techniques, leverage, being able to cover. It's literally the

475
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 4: most dangerous play anytime you're covering forty to fifty sixty

476
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 4: yards kickoff on a punt punt return. If you're not

477
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 4: solid and pat field goal protection, holy cow, it gets

478
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 4: exposed like yesterday and again you know, as fans, you

479
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 4: only notice the absolute disaster.

480
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

481
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Speaker 4: Yeah. And then at the NFL level, the big thing

482
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Speaker 4: is is trying to navigate a fifty three man roster,

483
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 4: who's up, who's down, who's injured, who is sick who?

484
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 4: Because you're limited on spots, and that really starts to

485
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 4: become another uh. I would call it discipline. I mean

486
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 4: that is that is an art in and of itself,

487
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 4: and I feel like Taves is as good as a

488
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Speaker 4: general manager when it comes to understanding the roster, understanding

489
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Speaker 4: who can we plug in here and still execute our

490
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 4: game plan, and and and and so when I when I,

491
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 4: when I look down now the trickle down of what

492
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 4: at the highest level, it looks like, I would say

493
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Speaker 4: that there are some tremendous differences between college and especially

494
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Speaker 4: high school. In my opinion, I feel like the punt

495
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 4: game in college has changed so much because of the

496
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Speaker 4: rule differences. And I don't know if you guys are

497
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Speaker 4: familiar with it, but in the NFL, at the snap

498
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Speaker 4: of the ball, the only two people that can release

499
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Speaker 4: down the field are the gunners. Everybody else has to

500
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Speaker 4: wait until the ball is punted. At the collegiate level,

501
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 4: at the snap of the ball, everybody can free release

502
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 4: down the field. And therefore that's why you see a

503
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Speaker 4: lot of rollouts, you see a lot of different variances

504
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Speaker 4: because you can free release and get a bunch of

505
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 4: people downfield. You can move and it's not necessarily confined

506
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 4: to a pocket. So therefore you don't have to coach

507
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 4: protection nearly as well. You don't have to coach coverage

508
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 4: quite as well, because quite frankly, it's like throwing darts

509
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 4: on a dartboard. You're gonna hit because you got so

510
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 4: many guys in coverage, returns are lass. Don't have to

511
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 4: teach your snapper how to protect, don't have to teach

512
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Speaker 4: your punt or how to punt with hang time and

513
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 4: distance or direction because he can roll out and slap

514
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 4: it on the ground. And it's created a product that

515
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 4: basically has made it the mandatory that you coach punt

516
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 4: for ten to fifteen minutes a day to now you

517
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 4: coach punt five minutes a week. So it's given coaches

518
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 4: more time to spend on offense and defense, which they love.

519
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 4: But it's made the actual coaching and the greatness of

520
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 4: it a lot easier that average Joe can come on

521
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 4: in and maybe be able to coach up a punt team.

522
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Speaker 4: Once you learn a couple tricky dickhams where you you

523
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 4: know a couple motions, you keep a defense honest, you

524
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 4: have a couple fakes, and literally you don't have to

525
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 4: practice protection or detailed communication and coverage and everything else

526
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 4: like you see at the NFL level. Some people like

527
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Speaker 4: it and feel like, oh man, we can do more

528
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 4: fakes and this and that. I feel like it's less

529
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Speaker 4: exciting because it limits return, it limits the the you know,

530
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 4: any you can take anybody that can snap, you can

531
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Speaker 4: take guys that cannot hit, spirals that turnover and hit

532
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 4: you know, directions, and takes away some of the art

533
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 4: of that. And again, if you're a really good coach,

534
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 4: you would want to have the most difficult conditions because

535
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 4: that'll separate you from your opponents and give you an edge.

536
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 4: So I understand both sides of the argument. So when

537
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 4: you talk about special teams coaches, I would say, at

538
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 4: the NFL level, or they're unbelievable because they have to

539
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 4: be able to execute the punt play. Punt is more

540
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 4: than a third of special teams. Coach, you know you

541
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 4: got field goal, field goal, block, punt, punt return, kickoff,

542
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 4: kickoff return. Well, the big one is always punt at

543
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 4: the NFL level. Where in college now, I would say

544
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 4: again because of the rules, because of the way it's evolved,

545
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 4: because of the some of the things that they've done.

546
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Speaker 4: I think punt is obviously very important. It's still the

547
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 4: first way to get you fired. But I would argue

548
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 4: that a lot of teams are going away from I

549
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 4: would say it's half and half where they have a

550
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 4: dedicated special teams coordinator to your point, and then where

551
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 4: they kind of have a by committee. This coach is

552
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 4: in charge of punt, This coach is in charge of

553
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 4: punt return. This coach is in charge of this. The

554
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 4: NCAA has changed rules in the last couple of years

555
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 4: to allow analysts to actually coach on the field, And

556
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 4: it's really up to the head coach how he wants

557
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 4: to distribute his allocated resources to his coaching staff. So,

558
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 4: if you have X amount of dollars and you're gonna

559
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 4: pay your ten coaches this, do you want to pay

560
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 4: a special teams coordinator? Do you want to pay an

561
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 4: extra linebacker coach? And I know I'm giving you a

562
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 4: long answer, but it's not an easy Has it gotten

563
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 4: better has it not? I would say it's changed because

564
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 4: again I think punt is a huge catalyst, the punt punt,

565
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 4: punt return game to the collegiate game. And then obviously

566
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 4: what they've done with kickoff, with the fair catches, the

567
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 4: getting rid of the wedge. You know, the NFL has

568
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:13,239
Speaker 4: a different kickoff than college. It's been a constant, like

569
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 4: our whole country or a whole world last ten years.

570
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 4: It's like, man, it is just changing so fast it's

571
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Speaker 4: hard to keep up with.

572
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Speaker 3: Quite frankly, I also assume that on a very real level.

573
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Speaker 3: I mean you and your coaches and your team. You're

574
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Speaker 3: teaching technique, right, you're teaching best practices. I assume you're

575
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Speaker 3: also a major part of your job is you're a psychiatrist.

576
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: Right.

577
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,239
Speaker 3: It's a lot of it. It's between the ears. It

578
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: has to be. There's no other position, maybe in sports,

579
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 3: where you get a TV shot of a specific player

580
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 3: at a specific position on the sideline with announcer saying, man,

581
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 3: I wonder what he's thinking. I wonder what's going through

582
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 3: his head as they're warming up on the sideline. What

583
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 3: what is like? I know this is I'm going to

584
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: try to be as specific as I can, Like, how

585
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 3: do you prepare a seventeen year old's mind hormones raging?

586
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: They're about to go off to live alone for the

587
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: first time, and they're playing a position in which they

588
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 3: are largely isolated from their peers, and you are tasked

589
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 3: with sending them off with like a clear mind, which

590
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 3: is like, to me, it sounds impossible. I have a

591
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: six year old, I couldn't even imagine doing that with

592
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 3: like a seventeen year old, Like, how do you send

593
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Speaker 3: off a kid mentally for what's ahead of them? Well,

594
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 3: that my friend is a so I got paid the

595
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 3: big bucks.

596
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I appreciate you understanding all that's at play here,

597
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 4: because there's a lot of naive kids. They're like, Oh,

598
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 4: I want to be the hero. I want to be

599
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 4: hit that game winner. I want to Yeah, there's two

600
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 4: sides to the coin, and you can't play this position

601
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 4: for an extended period of time not experience both sides.

602
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 4: And that's again where uh yes, the ability to uh

603
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 4: focus your attention to you know, I guess you could

604
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 4: say exclude the eternal external environment, uh you know, right brain,

605
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 4: left brain, some of these things that I've talked to

606
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 4: a lot of people who are way smarter than me

607
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 4: to try to get athletes to uh to perform. Man,

608
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 4: that's real and and basically, I I like to I

609
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 4: like to keep things as simple as I can when

610
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 4: I'm trying to teach. I think you got to have

611
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 4: three things. I think you have to have the athletic

612
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 4: talent to be able to compete you with me on

613
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 4: that you don't need to have the strongest leg, but

614
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 4: you got to have a leg that if a whole

615
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 4: bunch of grandparents are in the stands, they could figure out, wow,

616
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 4: these guys are very close, or you know, like if

617
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 4: one boy is clearly farther and way better to be

618
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 4: at the highest level, there can't be a different There

619
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 4: can't there can't be that much difference on anyone. I

620
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 4: think in the NFL, you know, we had the line,

621
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 4: the good from line, and Cairo is known as a

622
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 4: consistent ball striker. He is not one of the strongest

623
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 4: field goal legs in the NFL. And you know, like

624
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 4: Harrison Bucker, another guy we'd worked with, he has great range,

625
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 4: he could go. Still, the good from line between those

626
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 4: two and most games is probably five to seven yards. Yeah,

627
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 4: and that's maybe the top to the middle. You know,

628
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 4: I'm not talking like there's just not that much difference.

629
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Speaker 4: They're all very similar. I know the kid down in

630
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 4: Dallas is smashing balls, but you know it's it's probably

631
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 4: five to seven yards between the greatest athletes. So you

632
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 4: got to be in that realm athletically. Okay. The second

633
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 4: thing is you have to have the technique in order

634
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 4: to call on that athleticism. I don't think you can

635
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 4: last for an extended period of time. I say twenty

636
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 4: five Sundays in a row. I don't you know when

637
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 4: you include preseason, regular season, you go into the playoffs,

638
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 4: you have twenty five different movies to repeat. And if

639
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 4: you've got just a big leg and no idea about fundamentals, technique, balance,

640
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: and being able to make it in a non competitive environment,

641
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 4: it's not going to hold up. You know, It's not like,

642
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 4: you know, in practicing free throws on your own, you're

643
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 4: fifty percent and now you're going to go into games

644
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 4: and you're gonna hit eighty percent free throws. That's just

645
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 4: not reality. So you have to have a baseline leg

646
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 4: strength technique that'll be able on every day. You got

647
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 4: a good shot of putting the ball through the pipes.

648
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 4: The last thing is you have to be of a

649
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 4: DNA or or a mentality where you are legitimately a

650
00:37:52,360 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 4: mental warrior. You have to enjoy that spotlight. Would use

651
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 4: like Eddie Panero as a perfect example. My greatest job

652
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 4: in coaching Eddie was to get him to practice hard

653
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 4: because game day I knew Eddie loved, loved the spotlight.

654
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: He was a gamer.

655
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolute gamer. He loved it. And that's a gift.

656
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 4: That's a gift I can't coach. We can work on,

657
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 4: we can work on. But every athlete has, you know,

658
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 4: in the in the in those three realms that I

659
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 4: brought up, I think they all are probably a little different.

660
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 4: And what makes a great player is probably being solid

661
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 4: in all three. And then you know, just being able

662
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 4: to handle situations that will come at you as a kicker,

663
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 4: because that's that's a big part of the long term

664
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 4: success is situational success, you know, And like in Chicago,

665
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 4: we were fortunate. We we kind of protected on cold,

666
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 4: windy days, like, hey, fourth and two, let's go for it.

667
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 4: Let's not expose our guy, right uh, to to lose

668
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 4: the juice that he has. So handling the mental aspects

669
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 4: of a player huge, And as a coach, my main

670
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 4: thing is I want to provide the proper amount of

671
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 4: stimulus where he's being challenged, not overwhelmed. And now that's

672
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 4: hard for non amateurs to really like, Like, if you're

673
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 4: talking about coaching, that's hard for you know, your average

674
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 4: jill that you know watched a couple kicking manuals and

675
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 4: now's out there trying to work with guys versus someone

676
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 4: that like myself that's played the position, gone through the position,

677
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 4: evaluated the position, and now coaches the position where there's

678
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 4: only one guy that has to perform for you. Man,

679
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 4: those are some things now that I think when you're

680
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 4: talking about the great ones, is keeping them confident, keeping

681
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 4: them the proper amount of stimulus, and trying to have

682
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 4: them be successful. It's it's it's it's definitely hard though,

683
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 4: and you you've identified it properly. That's what's separate the guys.

684
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: You talk about guys I mean Eddie Pinero and I'm

685
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 3: sure he's one of many that you know they're locked in.

686
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 3: They're gamers. They love the opportunity, they love the limelight,

687
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: they love the moment. You see that shot of the

688
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 3: kicker on the sideline warming up, and a lot of

689
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 3: the time, you know, nobody's talking to them, nobody's really

690
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: bothering them. They they're really locked in. They're they're sort

691
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 3: of focused and ready to roll. Do you come across

692
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 3: some kicking personalities where it's almost the opposite, Like they

693
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 3: thrive being loose. They thrive that you know, their shoulders

694
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: are down, their jaw is relaxed right, that because they're

695
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: around people that they're actually going to be better in

696
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 3: the spotlight because they feel less on their shoulders, that

697
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 3: they like to joke around before big moments, that they

698
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 3: like to be with the guys before moments. I know,

699
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 3: you know, there's obviously every personality for every sport, every position.

700
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 3: Are those Are there those guys that are better.

701
00:40:54,760 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 4: Loose one hundred percent on that? And if if I

702
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 4: were like what I've always tried to do is have guys,

703
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 4: and if two guys are even, I'm going to choose

704
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 4: the player who will relate better to the locker room,

705
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 4: who will be someone as a coach you're going to

706
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 4: want to be around every day for a couple of hours.

707
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 4: People that inevitably have friends on the team and are

708
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 4: liked and respected amongst their teammates loved. Those guys I

709
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 4: think have a better lifespan because they will handle the

710
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 4: bad times better. Bad times are coming, man, yeah, flat out,

711
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 4: they're come. Okay, whoever you are, they are come now.

712
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 4: The separator is how can you shorten the bad times

713
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 4: and how can you overcome them so that so that

714
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 4: you can just get back on your horse quickly? And

715
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 4: I think people that are you know, in have have

716
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 4: good relationships amongst their teammates. Now, now, don't don't get

717
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 4: it twisted like on a on a Sunday afternoon game winner. Uh,

718
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 4: you got you gotta lock in and you're gonna have

719
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 4: to probably spend some alone time getting your swing right

720
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 4: and trying to clear your thoughts. That does not mean

721
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 4: that you're not well liked by your teammates. And you know,

722
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 4: and you might even get a pat on the butt

723
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 4: or whatever. But just like a quarterback going in on

724
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 4: the last play, there's not gonna be ten guys telling

725
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 4: we can do this. It's gonna be man, do your

726
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 4: job and we got you, you know. And so so again,

727
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 4: I think that that that relationship amongst teammates is great.

728
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 4: Now there have been some good ones. Now they're so

729
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 4: narcissistic that they're just they think they're above it, and

730
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 4: that arrogance actually in a certain sick way, probably helps

731
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 4: them through some of it. Sure, But but again when

732
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 4: it gets bad, that's when people come for their head

733
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 4: because they don't like them. And nothing infuriates a group

734
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 4: of grown professionals more than they work hard for three

735
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 4: hours and they put their team in a position to

736
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 4: win and then they lose, especially in the NFL level.

737
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 4: All that comes with losing with the media and just

738
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 4: every it's painful. Man, it's painful. So you want to

739
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 4: have friends around you.

740
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: Well, I guess what I take away from this. I mean,

741
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: across the board, athletes are just better now than they

742
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: were a decade ago, and that seems to be a

743
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: continuing trend. That's not new news to anybody listening to this.

744
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: But information seems more readily available. You're able to be

745
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: a little bit more consistent with teaching technique. There is

746
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: some element of the equipment knowing I guess which equipment

747
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: to use, when to use it with respect to picking

748
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: the right balls and whatnot. But I was hoping maybe

749
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: you could explain a little bit more about the video analysis,

750
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: because that's one of the things that I've read a

751
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: lot about and trying to research for you your appearance

752
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: here on the episode. What specific insights are you pulling

753
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: from video, be it from an iPhone, some other camera,

754
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: something that is sent to you. What is it that

755
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: you are looking for being so you do know what

756
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: you're looking for.

757
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 4: The whole point of video is to understand the athlete

758
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 4: who they are. I would say that from our long

759
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 4: video breakdowns over the years, we've started to come up

760
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 4: with ideas about body types, about flexibility, ranges, about movement patterns,

761
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 4: about how each athlete produces their kick, And when I

762
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 4: was younger, I probably tried to more streamline it. And

763
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 4: then I've had a lot of good coaches who have

764
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 4: helped me. And you know, a lot of times there's

765
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 4: a saying in coaching, trust your eyes and when you

766
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 4: start looking at different people in different ways to be successful.

767
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 4: Look at major league pictures or batters. If one guy

768
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 4: would come up there and say you have to hit

769
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 4: this way or pitch this way, I think I think

770
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 4: they'd be laughed at by the majority of baseball because

771
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 4: people start to understand we all move different. I've started

772
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 4: doing some study. I mean, some guys, for example, are

773
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 4: knock kneed, some are bold legged, some walk like a duck,

774
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 4: some are pigeon toed. Some you know, there's different there's

775
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 4: different movement patterns, different body shapes, different structures. Some guys

776
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 4: are five to eight, some guys are six'. Five so

777
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 4: really what we're looking to do is from a repeatability,

778
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 4: standpoint what seems most natural for. You we have defined

779
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 4: distances to the ball as a field goal kicker where

780
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 4: we've seen guys have. Success sometimes if people are too

781
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 4: close now they're changing things in order to create time

782
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 4: on the. Backswing if they're too, far that may work

783
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 4: on a practice, field like you'll see a lot of

784
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 4: stuff on YouTube or On twitter where guys are hitting

785
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 4: seventy yard kicks and they're not at all applicable to

786
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 4: a live snaphole one point two five second get. Off

787
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 4: so it's really kind of just it's it's it doesn't.

788
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 4: Relate so you have to be close enough to the

789
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 4: ball that you can comfortably see, it be in a balanced,

790
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 4: position and be able to perform on game day with

791
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 4: wind conditions and people coming off the. Edge and that's

792
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 4: so different than some of the stuff you'll see in practice.

793
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 4: Film so trying to find that proper distance is. Essential

794
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 4: trying to find the proper with depending on their flexibility

795
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 4: level to create lean. Off and then really the big

796
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 4: thing is foot position based on the size of their,

797
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 4: foot based on where they want to try to strike.

798
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 4: It that's one of the biggest things that REALLY i

799
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 4: think has helped most of our players from WHEN i

800
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 4: was growing. Up you, know LIKE i, SAID i went

801
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 4: to a couple kicking. Camps it was, basically, hey kick

802
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 4: it with your shoe strings and kick it like a soccer,

803
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 4: ball and holy. Cow so we've kind of taken that

804
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 4: and and to their, defense some of the video we

805
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 4: were looking at back in those, days it was like

806
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 4: just a big. Blur you, know it didn't have the frame,

807
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 4: Speed you couldn't see. Anything your foot would kind of

808
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 4: hit the ball and, guess and uh it was it

809
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 4: was much. More it was much more guess guessing than

810
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 4: Actual maybe what we've seen, work, uh sequencing body movements

811
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 4: is a huge. One. Uh and this all gets back

812
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 4: to what you guys have already identified when you attract better. Athletes.

813
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 4: Uh and and with football becoming more, COMPETITIVE i, Mean

814
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 4: i've had a lot of guys who probably could have

815
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 4: PLAYED d two one double a receiver. Safety while they

816
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 4: come to our, camp they, compete they're one of the

817
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 4: top five to seven in the. Country well where are

818
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 4: you gonna. Go you're gonna go be the number three

819
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 4: hundred safety or are you're gonna go be the top

820
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 4: five to seven kicker that maybe has a shot in THE.

821
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 4: Nfl so we have attracted better, ATHLETES i think since

822
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five years. Ago so all these contributors to your,

823
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 4: point and the video breakdown has allowed better athletes who

824
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 4: come into kicking late an opportunity to catch up because

825
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 4: come into a camp or, two you can expedite maybe a,

826
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 4: year year and a half of training on your own

827
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 4: if you're training the right.

828
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 1: Way what's fascinating to, Me jamie is the parallel seems

829
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: to be. Golf you're using a lot of golf terms

830
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: when you're talking about, kicking ball, striking, backswing even things

831
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: like with distance to the, ball things of that, name

832
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: setting yourself on, video, yeah getting yourself on, video sending

833
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: it to some random coach on the, internet WHICH i have.

834
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: Done is that the PARALLEL.

835
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 4: I view kicking in the same realm as, golf in

836
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 4: the same realm as, hitting, pitching any type of shooting of,

837
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 4: basketball any anything that is is fine motor movement where it's,

838
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 4: detailed it's, sequenced it's, rhythmic it has to be called.

839
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 4: Upon to your, point the difference between a field goal

840
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 4: kicker and even upon, her you, know you could argue

841
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 4: snappers similar is it's the only position where everything's on the,

842
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 4: line and the whole sport stops to look only at one,

843
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 4: player and everybody knows how that player, performed even the.

844
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 4: Quarterback you, know when you're leaving the, stadium some people

845
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 4: say did, good then it was wide receiver's fault if

846
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 4: they threw a, pick or the offensive line is. Bad the,

847
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 4: kicker if he has a bad, day everybody will. Know

848
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 4: and that is that is. Different you know maybe in

849
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 4: baseball pitcher you could say is in a similar spot.

850
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 4: Golf you just have so many different opportunities and chances

851
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 4: to either perform poorly or. Badly you, know as a,

852
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 4: kicker you might get three or four you, know, kicks

853
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 4: and that's what you're judged. On so it's you, know

854
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 4: even like a, quarterback you throw one or two picks,

855
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 4: early you can overcome. It you can still win the.

856
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 4: Game the, kicking it takes such a different. Mentality AND

857
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 4: i do think to your, point it's very similar to

858
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 4: golf when it comes to technical training and getting. Coached

859
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 4: and again some of it is is, that you, know

860
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 4: like when you talked about getting coached, ONLINE i would

861
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 4: argue that for coaching really to become, good you have

862
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 4: to be consistent with the athlete over time instead of

863
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 4: just you, know like hiring. Somebody, hey what do you see,

864
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 4: right and then he gives you five points to work

865
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 4: on and you're, like, cool all, Right i'm. Good, no

866
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 4: it's a lot because when you make an adjustment and one,

867
00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 4: thing it can lead to something else. Changing and really

868
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 4: it's that back and forth between a good player and

869
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 4: a coach WHERE i think you can make gains because

870
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 4: a good coach is going to listen to the. Player

871
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 4: what'd you feel? There? Really, okay try that. Again, no

872
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 4: let's try you know WHAT i. Mean and that's kind

873
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 4: of the coolest thing of my job is once you

874
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 4: get rolling with the guy who you trust and knows his,

875
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 4: body then you can try and really get to that

876
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 4: next level OF i think that's what you're. SEEING i,

877
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,959
Speaker 4: MEAN i think that's why these guys are doing things

878
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 4: that have never been, done is because you're combining really

879
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 4: good athletes with now more tools at their. Disposal.

880
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: YEAH i SENT i think it was one hundred Bucks

881
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: dan to some dude out on the internet to try

882
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: and fix my. Putting it didn't. Work now you're a scratch, golfer, Right,

883
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 1: yeah he told. ME i was. GREAT i didn't really

884
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: have much to work. ON i, didn't AND i haven't

885
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: gotten any better on. Tour. Jamie i'm curious, because, again you,

886
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 1: know you've been using a lot of terms, here technical

887
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: terms with respect to the art of. That i'll be very,

888
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: HONEST i have never heard, before just in talking about this,

889
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: casually the Way dan AND i, do or the way

890
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: you do amongst your. Friends what are SOME i guess surprising,

891
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: factors maybe not surprising to, you but foreign to guys

892
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: Like dan AND i who aren't in this. Business things

893
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: that you are looking for on a, kick whether you're

894
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: watching on A, saturday whether you're watching just within the

895
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: confines of your own. Camp something that you are looking

896
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: for between the, snap the, spot the, kick elements of the,

897
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: kick the anatomy of it that goes through your brain

898
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: that we have no idea what all is involved with.

899
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 4: It to, me one of the things THAT i really

900
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 4: like from an operational. Standpoint that was one thing we

901
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 4: really focused on In chicago was we knew we were

902
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 4: gonna have terrible, weather sometimes bad, footing all types of

903
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 4: stuff that we couldn't. Control the one thing we wanted

904
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 4: to be in total control of was the snapholed sequencing and.

905
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 4: Rhythm and we had we Had Patrick scales who was, awesome, great,

906
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 4: great great short snap put him up there with. Anybody

907
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 4: he was able to put the ball eighteen inches over the,

908
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 4: spot laces up, consistently and WHEN i say over the,

909
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 4: spot a lot of times you'll see, snappers especially in big,

910
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 4: moments they'll snap into the. Body obviously a one hop is,

911
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 4: Bad obviously a high snap is. Bad but if you

912
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 4: snap it into the, body that's making the kickers job

913
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 4: exponentially harder because now you're not able to see the

914
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 4: ball where you. Know LIKE i, said the sequencing is

915
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 4: about one point two five seconds is about where you

916
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 4: want to be give or take a little bit on each.

917
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 4: Side so let's just say one point two five. Seconds

918
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 4: so that's from the snap to the. Kick so if

919
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 4: a snap is it perfectly AND i use the term,

920
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 4: FIRM i want a, tight firm. Ball like a lot

921
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 4: of young snappers think harder is better or, well at

922
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 4: a short, distance if you snap it too, hard now

923
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 4: the holder is going to struggle to kind of gain

924
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 4: possession of the, football and it actually makes his job

925
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,439
Speaker 4: harder and slower because he's going to take more time

926
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 4: securing the. Ball if the ball and you see that

927
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 4: with quarterbacks all the, time guys who have, touch they

928
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 4: can throw those short to intermediate passes really good because it's,

929
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 4: firm it's, there it's, quick it's, crisp the rotation's. Clean

930
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 4: those are things that we look for from an operational.

931
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 4: Standpoint so we wanted a firm ball over the, spot laces,

932
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 4: up and then depending on what we had to get

933
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 4: done with the. Laces, now the holder now is in

934
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 4: a position to be. Successful and the kickers, movie he

935
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 4: was just flowing through like it was a walk in the.

936
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 4: Park we made it so much easier on our guys

937
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 4: because of the operation we had. ESTABLISHED i Can i'm

938
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 4: not gonna SAY nfl team, names but one of our

939
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 4: Guys i'm good friends with one, season he kicked laces

940
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 4: staring back at him six. TIMES i was fortunate enough

941
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 4: over five years we kicked lace's back at the. Kickers.

942
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: Zero does that, matter by the, way it?

943
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 4: Does it does on longer kicks if you missed a short,

944
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,959
Speaker 4: kick don't you know THAT i take that excuse out?

945
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 4: Now now does it? Matter? Yeah it.

946
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: Sucks why does it?

947
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 4: Matter because, again it gets back to that, compression, okay

948
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 4: because if you're kicking, laces you're not getting a clean.

949
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 4: Strike now you have a surface in between the, bladder

950
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 4: the ball and your. Foot, Gotcha and, honestly it can

951
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 4: do some funky. Things sometimes it comes out, clean but

952
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 4: sometimes it'll come out a, knuckleball it'll, fade it'll have a,

953
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 4: hook and you really don't know it's it's basically a crap.

954
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: Shoot.

955
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 3: Ty have you not seen Ace? Ventura this was a

956
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 3: central plot, point and that's Why i'm asking that's the

957
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 3: biggest comedy of the early.

958
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 4: Nineties Ace ventura did more to her kicking population than

959
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 4: any movie in the history of the Of. Hollywood it

960
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 4: WAS i.

961
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 3: Think i'm trying to think like the other huge, moments

962
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 3: not to derail, this but LIKE i Think Adam sandler

963
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 3: had a song about a lonely field goal. KICKER i

964
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 3: BELIEVE i think it Was. Sandler you have Ace ventura

965
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 3: with laces, out which at least that the technique is.

966
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 3: Correct it's not necessarily the plot point being super helpful

967
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 3: for kicking.

968
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 2: Reputation no one's running in. LINE i want to go

969
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 2: be a kicker after about De Ray. Finkel, yeah but

970
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: at least the laces out part, Ty, RIGHT i wonder

971
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: what you have to do in terms OF i mentioned

972
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: that you have to be a.

973
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 3: Psychiatrist do you have to be a math. Teacher you're

974
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 3: talking about, crosswinds miles per hour or like where you'd launch.

975
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 3: Angle Like i'm not saying being a kicker is a math.

976
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 3: Major but on a certain, level you have to be.

977
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 3: Aware you coached In, chicago like sometimes in a dome

978
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 3: or in a, dome there's nothing, right there's no, crosswinds

979
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 3: but you're playing in The, midwest you're playing in The.

980
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 3: Northeast kickers kind of have to be. Aware they're out

981
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 3: there at, halftime they're out there before the, game they're

982
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 3: kicking into. It wins, change directions, change like patterns. Change

983
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 3: like on a certain, level you have to be, calculating, right.

984
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 4: Yeah you. Do i've, Man i've had such a good

985
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 4: run at this. Deal you know Where i've, coached like

986
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 4: high school, ball you, know ten fifteen years, ago AND

987
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 4: i HAD i had a really good. Coach you, know

988
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 4: they were concerned about their defensive installment if they put

989
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 4: too much in and he goes you, know a what

990
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 4: if it's important to the, kids they'll learn. It if

991
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 4: it's not, important, right they'll find a way to not understand.

992
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 4: It they'll find a way to mess you, know lack

993
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 4: of some cuss, work you, know like they'll find a

994
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 4: way to mess it. Up. Yeah, well if it's important to,

995
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,439
Speaker 4: you you will understand. It AND i would argue that's

996
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 4: probably the primary motivator for my coaching over the years

997
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 4: Is i've always tried to find the. Edge what can

998
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 4: help my, guys what can help me as a? Coach

999
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 4: separate me AND i want to Say i'm a math

1000
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 4: major or something like. That that probably was my strongest

1001
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 4: subject BECAUSE i couldn't read it write real. Well but

1002
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 4: my math was good for. Doubt, yeah well, yeah but

1003
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 4: to your, POINT i do think you have to be

1004
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 4: aware of your. Surroundings and THEN i would, argue if

1005
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 4: you're smart enough humble enough to understand it's, important you,

1006
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 4: will you will figure it, out you will put in the,

1007
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 4: time you will get yourself in that. Environment that's why

1008
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 4: kicking in the stadium In chicago is huge for, us

1009
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 4: because we put ourselves in that environment to see okay

1010
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 4: In chicago was really weird because if it came off

1011
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 4: the lake and we're kicking towards the. North the wind

1012
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 4: at twelve miles an hour is right to. Left at

1013
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 4: eighteen miles an hour now is left right because they

1014
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 4: had ricochet off and go exact opposite and it was.

1015
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 4: WILD i MEAN i was out there for many a

1016
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 4: days just walking trying to feel. It we talked about

1017
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 4: bringing in some people who understand air, movement wind turbine

1018
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 4: people at the end of the. Day, again that is

1019
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 4: kind of. That it's the game time stuff that even

1020
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 4: as advanced as we, get there's always going to be

1021
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 4: stuff we as humans cannot control totally and it's going

1022
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 4: to be out of our. Control AND i think that

1023
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 4: you have to get comfortable with the stuff that sometimes

1024
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 4: will be out of your control BECAUSE i don't THINK

1025
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 4: i don't think we'll ever get to the point where everything's.

1026
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 4: Perfect it's just not Anything i've been around in. Sports

1027
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 4: there's always going to be stuff that's not perfect and

1028
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 4: that you totally don't understand it total one hundred.

1029
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 3: Percent my final question IS i just wonder if you

1030
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 3: are showing promise as a kicker as like a fifteen

1031
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 3: sixteen year old In New, mexico In, vermont in you

1032
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 3: know somewhere that's not necessarily known for having major, football

1033
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 3: but you're showing promise and you're. Practicing has it never

1034
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 3: been easier to get noticed because of? YouTube and you,

1035
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 3: KNOW i mean this is true of all sort of.

1036
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 3: Recruiting but on the flip, side is it also kind

1037
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 3: of a golden age because of places like YouTube to

1038
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 3: watch you to watch, camps to watch techniques LIKE i imagine

1039
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 3: when you to circle back to like when you're talking

1040
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 3: about why kicking has become so much better and has

1041
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 3: taken such a noticeable step, forward like the availability to

1042
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 3: learn proper, footwork to learn proper. Technique it's in your,

1043
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 3: pocket it's on your phone, again if you want to,

1044
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 3: learn if you, want if you do, care you can

1045
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 3: get better and you can sort of put yourself out.

1046
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 3: There does that bring true to you that it's almost

1047
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 3: sort of like a democratizing talent right now that you

1048
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 3: can get yourself out there and ingest as much information

1049
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 3: as you possibly, CAN.

1050
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 4: I think it's more readily. Available, again the hard part,

1051
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 4: is you, know just look at your, timeline who is,

1052
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 4: trusted what is? Right what would work for? Me BECAUSE

1053
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 4: i get. Confused you, know my son played quarterback AND

1054
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 4: i tried to do the same, thing and it's, like,

1055
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 4: man this guy's really. Smart, man he talks, good this seems.

1056
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 4: Right that seems right, right and then then another.

1057
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: Guy, Yeah so.

1058
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 4: It's like sometimes there's almost too much info where it's

1059
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 4: like what DO i take in and how? Much because

1060
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 4: one of the things as a coach you have to establish, trust,

1061
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 4: yes trust between What i'm going to work with you

1062
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 4: on and what you're going to help and give me

1063
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 4: feedback to help. You and and that takes again most,

1064
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 4: scenarios you don't have that time to develop that. Trust

1065
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 4: so it really becomes down to being smart with the,

1066
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 4: athlete having awareness what's working for? Me how is how you?

1067
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 4: Know and then again read read your performances over? Time

1068
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 4: AM i trending? Up AM i getting? Better AM i staying?

1069
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 4: Stagnant what DO i need to do at each point

1070
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 4: in your? Career because you are, correct it is more

1071
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 4: available than it's ever been a hard thing to, me

1072
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 4: just going through it with as a father is, Like,

1073
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 4: okay where do we place our? Trust what is going

1074
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 4: to help my son given who he, is rather Than

1075
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,439
Speaker 4: Jimmy bob down the? Road it worked for him and

1076
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 4: and that's that's the hard. Part of our. ERA i

1077
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 4: think in many regards is like where it's an overload

1078
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 4: some times of.

1079
01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 3: Information final, question, actual final. QUESTION a popular thing is

1080
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 3: like couch to five? K, right you're out of? Shape

1081
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 3: how DO i go and run a five? K how

1082
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 3: DO i run a bunch of nine minute miles or

1083
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 3: something to complete a five? K kicking is in a

1084
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 3: fun era right, now between your former Student pat McAfee

1085
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 3: and having kids come up on game day and try to.

1086
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 3: KICK i think it's is it a thirty yard? Tie

1087
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 3: is that WHAT i?

1088
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: Have no idea?

1089
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 3: Day, Yeah, MIKE i forget how long it. Is it's

1090
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 3: something like that you. HAVE i think The mannings did

1091
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 3: like a fan duel kick thing before The Super. Bowl

1092
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 3: gronk has done. That so kicking is in an interesting

1093
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 3: moment of like how DO i go from zero to

1094
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 3: making like a twenty five thirty yard field? Goal if

1095
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 3: you were to give advice to any of those of

1096
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 3: kids trying to like train to make a bunch of

1097
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 3: money From pat McAfee's, wallet or an elite athlete Like

1098
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 3: tye who's sending off his cutting to, COACHES a washed

1099
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 3: up forty one year old like, myself how do you

1100
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 3: go from zero to like impressing the neighborhood with something

1101
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 3: extremely basic in your.

1102
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 4: WORLD i would first, thing As i'm forty, seven SO

1103
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 4: i would look to the injury, potential.

1104
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: Of, course so much.

1105
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 4: STRETCHING i would start off warm, up warm, up meaning

1106
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 4: ten minutes of actually like get your heart rate. Up

1107
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 4: and then for your first couple of, SESSIONS i would

1108
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 4: use a volleyball or soccer ball until you kind of

1109
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 4: get your technique and sequencing to the point that you're not.

1110
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 4: Football footballs are, heavier and you, know again the rotation

1111
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 4: plays such a big role until you can kind of

1112
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 4: get a lighter apparatus, going because like when guys get,

1113
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 4: hurt the first thing they do is they. Go they

1114
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 4: start off sometimes even with like nerve footballs just and

1115
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 4: this this is a very beginning basic getting your legs,

1116
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 4: swing and then they advanced to, volleyball soccer, ball deflated,

1117
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 4: football and then finally a regular. Football OH i like.

1118
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: That so If dan AND i put a challenge, together,

1119
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: no the secrets like this is. Great if we if

1120
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: we put a challenge, together which one can hit the

1121
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: thirty yard er, First we're going to keep you in the, Loop.

1122
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: Jamie we may need some. Help we need some, help

1123
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: my old man. Hammies.

1124
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 4: YEAH i Love, HEY i love your guys', story AND

1125
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 4: i hope you guys continue. It it's cool to see

1126
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 4: talked a little bit With tay. YESTERDAY i respect, it

1127
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 4: respect the, journey and good luck to you guys moving.

1128
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: Forward all, Right, dan there you. Go that Is Jamie

1129
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: cole From Cole's Kicking. CAMPS a lot to digest, there

1130
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: and as he was, speaking it just kept ringing in my,

1131
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: ears the similarities between kicking and. Golf, sure LIKE i

1132
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 1: brought that, up but from the terms he's, using just

1133
01:05:56,040 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: to like the maniacal approach to every small, detail things

1134
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: that go into this that we couldn't possibly imagine being

1135
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: in our chairs right, here the ball, tilt the way

1136
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: that you snap the, ball the location of the. SNAP i,

1137
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: mean there are so many different elements that go into

1138
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: making a kick a real thing THAT i don't think

1139
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: we really pay much attention. To that eye, opening to

1140
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: say the, least to kind of get his perspective on.

1141
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 3: It it made me think about the kicker's place in

1142
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 3: the sports world that much. MORE i mentioned a little

1143
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 3: bit we were talking about there's no other position where

1144
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 3: like the camera is trained on a player before he

1145
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 3: or she goes out to do something specific in their

1146
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 3: sport with the announcemer and be.

1147
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: Like oh, man they must be real.

1148
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 3: Nervous that like it doesn't exist SOMETHING i thought about

1149
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 3: BECAUSE i think there are parallels with golf that like

1150
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 3: one huge shot to either win or lose The. Masters,

1151
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 3: sure but that's after obviously a number of you, know

1152
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 3: hundreds of, strokes but like the mechanics of, it and

1153
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 3: it's so. PRECISE i almost thought About. Olympians, yeah and

1154
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 3: that's that might even be a more, dramatic like you

1155
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 3: train for four years to throw this one javelin In

1156
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 3: beijing Or sydney Or athens or, whatever and this is

1157
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 3: either going to make or break your dream fulfillments this

1158
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 3: one throw or this you, know three throws On NETWORK

1159
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 3: tv in front of the. World and a diver or a,

1160
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 3: gymnast but they're not in the same, way both on

1161
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 3: a huge team with a unique, job and like apart

1162
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 3: from that team in that kickers are not also left

1163
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 3: guards or quarterbacks like they used to be way back

1164
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 3: in the, day quarterbacks slash punters that they're they're sort

1165
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 3: of on this island and the CLOSEST i could actually

1166
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 3: think of was like a you, know a gymnast on the,

1167
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 3: vaults and, like, well they're either going to land correctly

1168
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 3: or they're, not and all of their training is for

1169
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 3: not if they. Don't and so, no it's it's absolutely.

1170
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 3: Fascinating and if you're, consistently if you're a dependable, kicker

1171
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 3: congratulations you get to work.

1172
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 1: For twenty five years at THE.

1173
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 3: Nfl you will go gray Like ADAM vinitii in front

1174
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 3: of our eyes in FOUR k or.

1175
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 1: Whatever LIKE.

1176
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 3: I it's just it's a fascinating. Path and so it.

1177
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 3: Was it was very cool to hear all about. It,

1178
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 3: YEAH i just kept thinking of there's a.

1179
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 1: Clip you can find it on social media somewhere And

1180
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: i'll probably botch. It But Phil nicholson talking about hitting

1181
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 1: an eight iron and all the different calculations that go into, It,

1182
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 1: well it might go one hundred and fifty, yards but

1183
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: if it's in the morning and it's a little more,

1184
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: humid maybe the ball won't carry as. Well and all

1185
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: of these things that you think of when that is your.

1186
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,600
Speaker 1: Business it strikes me as being very similar to some

1187
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: of the stuff That jamie.

1188
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 3: DESCRIBED i saw a video literally this morning of You

1189
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 3: darvish talking about how he has two fingers on top

1190
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 3: of a baseball and depending on where he moves his,

1191
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 3: thumb it's going to go ninety one miles an, hour

1192
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 3: ninety four miles an, hour eight two miles an, hour

1193
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 3: and just the precision, involved at least with a, pitcher

1194
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 3: at least with a. Golfer to a lesser, extent but,

1195
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 3: like oh if it's, windy like, sorry you just can't

1196
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 3: do your job today in any sort of meaningful, Way like, oh,

1197
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 3: okay that's a very specific variable in your. Living SO

1198
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 3: i it's just there's so much a. PLAY i loved

1199
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 3: hearing all about, it very good.

1200
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 1: Stuff we Appreciate jamie's. Time we'll have to bring him

1201
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: back at some point to dissect this a little bit.

1202
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 1: FURTHER i feel like we were really only scratching the.

1203
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 3: Surface BUT i wanted to ask him about, fakes by the,

1204
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 3: Way like does he take pride when like a field

1205
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 3: goal kicker is like a is a perfect, execution gets

1206
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 3: the ball flipped to him by the holder and runs

1207
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 3: it in for a, Touchdown like does he think it's

1208
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 3: too like braggy when a kicker nails a? Game winner

1209
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 3: and starts doing a gator chomp to Taunt florida. Fans

1210
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,680
Speaker 3: there's so much that goes into, it just like it

1211
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 3: makes me, THINK i forget that kicker's. Name you can

1212
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 3: fact as we do this THE i think it was

1213
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,919
Speaker 3: An auburn kicker who did the gator chomp At florida.

1214
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 3: Fans the amount of emotional release after a game winning

1215
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 3: kick that, like you're so tense on the, sideline you're

1216
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 3: trying to, calculate you, know you got to get it

1217
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 3: above the defensive THE i guess it's a defensive line

1218
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 3: and they're trying to defend, it but like the blocking, line

1219
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 3: and you're playing every, variable the crowds in your, ear

1220
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 3: and when you nail, it especially on the, road it

1221
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 3: must feel like your all of your internal organs are

1222
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 3: trying to go into.

1223
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: ORBIT i Know Harrison MeVis did the gator chomp when

1224
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: he Beat. FLORIDA i don't know.

1225
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 3: If that's the guy your References auburn kicker Chomp. Florida

1226
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 3: this is live googling. HERE I haspiram Wes.

1227
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: By Westpiram, okay yeah that's. One, YEAH i Know Harrison

1228
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 1: mivs did it. Too, anyway, look hope you all got

1229
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: something out of. THIS i KNOW i. Did AS i,

1230
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: Said we'll try to Bring jamie back at some point

1231
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: talk more about. THIS i guess we can leave folks with.

1232
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: THIS i thought of the idea of kicking a thirty

1233
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 1: yard field goal in like the dying embers of that,

1234
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 1: interview in that Conversation. Jamie, so if that's a challenge

1235
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: that you would like to embark upon here in the off,

1236
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 1: SEASON i have to find a place THAT i can.

1237
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: Kick but if that's something you're interested, IN i would

1238
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 1: be willing to go down that road with you and

1239
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: try to challenge you to doing. That we did that

1240
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 1: way back when on a variety of different you, know

1241
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,560
Speaker 1: a variety of different football related. Things but if you

1242
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 1: want to try and kick a field, GOAL i am.

1243
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: Down i'm.

1244
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 3: Down i'm always down to embarrass, myself you. KNOW i

1245
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 3: constantly am AND i do on this. Show quick update

1246
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 3: wes Byrom after doing The Gator, Chomp tie went on

1247
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 3: to go To Nova Southeastern, university where he got his

1248
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 3: jd and became a. Lawyer, okay and he is the

1249
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 3: Current Assistant State attorney in the Seventeenth Judicial circuit In Fort, Lauderdale.

1250
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 3: Florida wow In Gator. COUNTRY i guess the Full circle.

1251
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,719
Speaker 3: Country but, yeah there you. Go there's Your West byron

1252
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 3: update that very few people thought that they'd be getting

1253
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 3: at the end of this.

1254
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 1: Show but here we. Are why don't we leave it there?

1255
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 1: Again big thanks To jamie for his. Time check Out Cole's.

1256
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: Kicking if you're interested a little bit more in What jamie.

1257
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: Does don't forget to hit follow or subscribes that you

1258
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 1: don't miss any of our off season. Episodes of, course

1259
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 1: you can always reach out on social. Media hit us

1260
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 1: up cliverbal at gmail dot com for that guy over,

1261
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: there my good Friend Dan rubenstein for, Myself ty Hilde

1262
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 1: brandt cat y'all next, time stay, solved, peace