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Speaker 3: I'm Be Dixon and I'm on the Therapy for Black

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Speaker 3: Girls Podcast today. I'm in session unpacking the journey and

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Speaker 3: Will be.

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Speaker 1: It is so good to see you again. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely always love talking to you about your story.

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Speaker 1: So we are going to get into all of the

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Speaker 1: incredible successes you've had, but I want to kind of

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Speaker 1: get started by you talking a little bit about some

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Speaker 1: into your business. So you've worked several odd jobs, You've

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Speaker 1: what from that journey do you feel like you have

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Speaker 3: Every single thing that I've ever done has prepared me

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Speaker 3: for now. For example, I used to work in pharmacies,

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Speaker 3: I believe in Western medicine deeply right, I personally just

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Speaker 2: But what it taught me was just the understanding of

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Speaker 3: It instilled a lot of respect in me for what

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Speaker 3: It helped me to understand what you needed to do

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Speaker 2: To be successful. And then I left there and I

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Speaker 3: customer service was like bar none, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: It was crazy, And I think that that taught me

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Speaker 3: what it means to clean somebody's toilet, not everybody respects you,

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Speaker 2: So it taught me a lot.

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Speaker 3: And I think homelessness taught me because you know, we

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Speaker 2: And it just made me value my life.

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Speaker 3: I think it's important and to understand what it's like

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Speaker 3: But the other thing that it gave me was a

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing that story about Whole Foods and

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Speaker 1: I can definitely see some of that flavor in the

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Speaker 1: that there's any community event I've ever gone to where

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Speaker 1: like y'all are always like just wanting to be of

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Speaker 1: It led you to looking for a cure and you

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Speaker 1: So can you talk about the importance of being more

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Speaker 3: I think that we need to be comfortable with talking

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Speaker 2: But they're not easy conversations to have.

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Speaker 3: But I feel like when we can free ourselves up

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Speaker 3: just as normal as everything else. Because infections are normal,

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Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: The taboo and the stigma.

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Speaker 2: But that's ridiculous, because then what am I going to do?

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Speaker 3: Take care of what's going on, sort yourself out. So

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Speaker 3: do think it's important to understand why you're feeling shame

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Speaker 3: Things happen every day.

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Speaker 1: So you're the very public face of the honey Pot,

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Speaker 1: but I think a lot of people may not know

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Speaker 1: that your brother and best friend, Simon, is also a

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Speaker 1: how y'all have navigated preserving your relationship while also navigating

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Speaker 3: We have a really great relationship, but it's had its challenges.

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Speaker 3: beautiful product.

440
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Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit more about your herb

441
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: infused pads. So I am sure that you are familiar

442
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: with the thousands of hilarious memes about, you know, the

443
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 1: pads that make your vagina feel spicy. I personally had

444
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: that experience when I first tried them. I was like, Oh,

445
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: I didn't read the packaging. I didn't know what that.

446
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, so can you talk.

447
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 1: To us about the importance of adding the herbs to

448
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: the products that you have and like why they function

449
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: that way?

450
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, So they really function that way for a lot

451
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 3: of reasons. Our paths are infused with mint, alo rose, lavender,

452
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 3: and an herb called tuna.

453
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: They're made with.

454
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 3: Essential oils of these herbs that I just mentioned. One

455
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 3: of the things that I think is really beautiful about them,

456
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 3: that cooling effect that you get is because when you

457
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 3: think about just in life, our vulva is always hot.

458
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 3: It could be zero degree outside and you're hot. So

459
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: then you add on the fact that you're on your cycle,

460
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 3: now you're really hot, right, and so the cooling effect

461
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 3: of the pads are beautiful because it's.

462
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: Almost just like a fan.

463
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 3: That's how I feel, So the cooling effect is incredible.

464
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: We've had customers tell us and testimonials that people actually

465
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: see a benefit with their cramps where they have less

466
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 3: cramps or it helps to soothe their cramping. That's not

467
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 3: a claim that we make, but it is something that

468
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 3: we've heard from our customers. The different herbs are beautiful

469
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 3: because they really help as it relates to just soothing calming.

470
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 3: We can't make claims because technically these are herbs and

471
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 3: these pads are not medicine, so we can't make any

472
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 3: really strong claims on them. But the other thing that

473
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 3: I really love about them is that when you're on

474
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 3: your cycle, you take on the scent of that herb blend,

475
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 3: so you're not necessarily smelling like you're on your period

476
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 3: because blood has a bit of a copper smell. And

477
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 3: then being that you're shedding your lining, and this is

478
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: really the period of time where your body is cleansing itself.

479
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 3: It's a really beautiful time, but it can cause odor

480
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 3: during that time, and so these pads also help with that,

481
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 3: which I really love, but the cooling is incredible. I

482
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 3: don't know, it just feels good.

483
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: It gives you.

484
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 3: Something to feel good about why you're on your period.

485
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 3: I think that's one of my favorite reasons why.

486
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Speaker 2: I love it.

487
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that. More from our conversation after

488
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: the break so B, we haven't talked about this, but

489
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: I wrote a book in twenty twenty three and there

490
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 1: was a version of the book. It didn't make it

491
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Speaker 1: to the final edit. But I talked about your experience

492
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two where there was all this public

493
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: criticism about the ingredients changing and there was something added

494
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: to some of the products for preservation, right for shelf life,

495
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: and there was all this criticism. So can you talk

496
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: to me a little bit about that experience and what

497
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: you feel like you've learned as a public figure about

498
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: public scrupiny based on that experience.

499
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 3: Oh Man, that experience was very hard. First of all,

500
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 3: the first time we went viral. First of all, I

501
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: think I was more prepared because we had hit scale,

502
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 3: but we hadn't necessarily hit the scale that we were

503
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 3: at when this last time happened. The first time, it

504
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 3: was a very positive viral moment. As it related to

505
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 3: our community the second time. I won't say that it

506
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 3: wasn't positive. It just put us in a position where

507
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 3: our community was questioning us, and that's always a hard

508
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: position to be in, especially when you're trying to make

509
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: choice that are for the betterment of your brand and

510
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 3: for what you're doing and the products. And that's really

511
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 3: what that change was about, right, It was trying to

512
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 3: make sure it was in the right direction. And because

513
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 3: of that, we dial down the packaging. We were redoing

514
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 3: our clinical trials because anytime you change any kind of formulation,

515
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: you have to retest. But one thing for sure is

516
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: that we should have done a better job communicating those

517
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: things prior to us doing them, and I think that

518
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 3: was one of the big takeaways that we learned. Our

519
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 3: community is paying attention, and so that is really the

520
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 3: blessing in it is that they are paying attention, they're

521
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 3: focused on us, they care about what they're doing, they

522
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: care about what they're using on their body. They're informed,

523
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 3: they're educated, they know their bodies, they know their products,

524
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 3: and specifically as it relates to Honeypop products. And so,

525
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 3: even though it was hard because this work that I

526
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 3: personally do is very much my life's work, and so

527
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: this isn't just business for me. The humans that we serve,

528
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: I take it very seriously. I take it very personal.

529
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 3: I am very devoted to them. And so when you're

530
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: in a place of scrutiny where that is really what

531
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: you wake up in the morning to do, and then

532
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 3: you've got millions of people saying that you're trying to

533
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 3: do the opposite, that's hard. Energetically, that's really hard, especially

534
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 3: if you're a person like me who's very empathic and

535
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: can feel that you know. But I also am grateful

536
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 3: that it happened, because it only makes you stronger. It

537
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 3: kind of goes back to what we were talking about

538
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: about being a human that has been unhoused. It's good

539
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 3: for you to know what it's like to be high

540
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 3: in business, and it's good for you to know what

541
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: it's like to be low.

542
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: Right.

543
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 3: It's good for you to go through things like that

544
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 3: because it teaches you that shit isn't always sweet. And

545
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 3: I'm a deep believer in experience, because that's really our

546
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 3: best teacher. And so it was hard, but I'm grateful.

547
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: I'm grateful to our community. I'm grateful that they keep

548
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 3: us on our toes. I'm grateful that they're paying attention.

549
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 3: I'm grateful that they love us so much as a

550
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: business person, as a leader, as a human.

551
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: I think it made me.

552
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: Better, Yeah, And I think that's why I was so

553
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: mood to write about it, because I feel like you

554
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: extended so much grace in your response to everything that

555
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: was happened that was happening at the time, Like, yes,

556
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: people have a right to be concerned, like what is

557
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: this thing that I love that change? But I think

558
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: especially with Black women, who I think have been maybe

559
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: a lot of your earliest supporters, I think there's a

560
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: lot of sensitivity to these products that we love that

561
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: like change. And so I just saw you respond in

562
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: a way that really took into account how people may

563
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: be feeling, but also trying to tell the truth about it.

564
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: And then you brought in all these scientists and all

565
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: these things. So I just thought it was a masterclass

566
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: in really taking care of your community even when you

567
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: maybe make a mistake.

568
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, because here's the thing, mistakes are inevitable. Change is

569
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: as serious and as constant as death and taxes, and

570
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: we as a community have to do a better job,

571
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: I think, at holding each other to a standard that

572
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 3: cannot be met.

573
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: Like, I'm not saying.

574
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: Don't hold me or my other female founders at a

575
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: high standard, right, I'm not saying don't do that. It

576
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 3: can also be abusive to do so, because we are

577
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: human beings just trying, just like everybody else. We're running

578
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 3: businesses just like everybody else. We make mistakes, just like

579
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: everybody else.

580
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: And we are in our companies running them and moving

581
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: and shaking, and sometimes you have to make changes, right.

582
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: I remember during the COVID times there were times when

583
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: certain ingredients just wouldn't even.

584
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: Be available, and what are you going to do?

585
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: You have to make a choice because you have to

586
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: make sure that you can make your products.

587
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: But you also can't expect.

588
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 3: Your customers to Really, it's not their job to understand

589
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 3: how business works. It's not their job to understand how

590
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: consumer package goods works, and manufacturing works and formulating works

591
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 3: and all the things.

592
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: Right, it's not their job to know that. Right.

593
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: They want to have things that work for their body,

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00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 3: and they're going to invest their money in that. And

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00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: I understand you want to know what you're using. You

596
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: want to know what's going on, and when you've invested

597
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 3: in something. You want to know that that investment is appreciated.

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00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: I just think that we have to balance that wanting

599
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: to know that we appreciate the dollars and the time

600
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: that they've invested in us. That's important, and it's important

601
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: to understand what it takes in order for us to

602
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: create these companies and build them and scale them and

603
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: grow them and do all the things. We're in the

604
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 3: trenches every single day, right, and the things that you're

605
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 3: seeing us do sometimes feel like they're fucking impossible to do, right,

606
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: And so sometimes we need grace extended to us because

607
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 3: sometimes we have to make choices and we have to

608
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 3: do things that people may not understand. But we shouldn't

609
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: necessarily be shot down for that because a lot of times,

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00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: the smaller companies, they're held to a lower standard than

611
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 3: we are, and yet they have way more money than

612
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: we do, they have way more resources than we do,

613
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: they've been around longer than we have, and I just

614
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: think that people.

615
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: Have to have a respect for that.

616
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I feel like another place where we see

617
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: this kind of show up, which brings me to my

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00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: next question is earlier this year, is confirmed that you

619
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Speaker 1: were entered into a partnership with computs diversified to be acquired.

620
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: So can you talk about like the significance of being

621
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: acquired and how there's also concern about oh it's honeypop

622
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: steel black owned, like all these conversations like what does

623
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: it mean to be acquired and what do you want

624
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: people to really know about that.

625
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 3: We all know what venture capital is, we all know

626
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 3: what private equity is. There has been a bit of

627
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 3: an entrepreneurship boom call it in the last five years, right,

628
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: especially in the black community, because we were not so

629
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: much today, But between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty three,

630
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: it was very cool to invest in humans of color, right,

631
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 3: It was a very cool thing to do, and so

632
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 3: a lot of humans of color and business were able

633
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 3: to understand what it means to be able to receive

634
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 3: investment because these aren't places that we have been given

635
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 3: access to. Right now, the numbers look even more abysmal

636
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 3: than what they look like before the Dei Theater that's

637
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 3: happened over the past few years. I don't mean any

638
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 3: disrespecting that, but it's just the truth.

639
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: Right.

640
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: But what you have to understand is the day that

641
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: you take a dollar of venture capital or private equity

642
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: money that is setting you up, and even angel investors,

643
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: even family and friend rounds write any kind of institutional

644
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: investor that's setting the presidents that you are in the future,

645
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: call it three four or five years, going to have

646
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 3: to go through some sort of an acquisition or an

647
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 3: IPO because you have to make those investors hoole. When

648
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: institutional investors invest in a business, they're not investing in

649
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 3: it because they like you. They're investing in it because

650
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 3: they're going to get their money back. Because it's business.

651
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: It's dollars and cents, and it's business. And even as

652
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 3: it relates to angel investors and family and friends who

653
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 3: are able to invest, you also want an acquisition to happen,

654
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: probably even more so for them because they've been going

655
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: with you on the journey for years and years and years.

656
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: I mean, we've got people on our cap table that

657
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 3: have been with us since twenty seventeen twenty sixteen, and

658
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: so acquisitions have to happen in order for you to

659
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Speaker 3: make yourself whole. So the type of acquisition that we

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Speaker 3: had was a majority acquisition where they bought nearly eighty

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Speaker 3: five percent of the business. The good thing is that

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Speaker 3: our team is still able to keep their equity, which

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Speaker 3: is powerful. We were all given a new set of equity,

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Speaker 3: which makes Compass a really incredible private equity fund. And

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Speaker 3: then also I was able to invest fifty percent of

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Speaker 3: what I had left into the business. Right, and so

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Speaker 3: I'm still very much a big owner in this company.

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Speaker 3: May not sound like it's big because I just told

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Speaker 3: you how much of the company we sold, but it

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Speaker 3: is big because it's powerful.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: These types of things is what you get in business for.

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Speaker 3: You get in business to make money. Get in business

674
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: obviously to make beautiful products or offer really amazing services.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's to on some hustle shits. Sometimes it's not

676
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 3: always positive, you know what I mean. But when you

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Speaker 3: think of the essence of business, it is economics. It's

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Speaker 3: how we live, it's how we survive, it's how we eat.

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Speaker 3: And so being that honey Pot has had venture capital

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Speaker 3: investment and has had private equity investment, we had to

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00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: do it. When you take a private equity investment, it's

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00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 3: literally in the contract that you are going to have

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Speaker 3: some sort of an event within four years. If you

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00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 3: don't do it, guess what then happens? They can force

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Speaker 3: you to do it. So that's just a little bit

686
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Speaker 3: of information of how these things work. And honestly, it's

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Speaker 3: incredible because you're able to experience some wealth for all

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00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: that you've put in. I mean, me and CI didn't

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Speaker 3: make a doct in this business. We started in twenty twelve.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't until twenty seventeen, six months into being in Target,

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Speaker 3: that I actually was the first person to make a

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Speaker 3: real salary. Imagine that, from twenty twelve to twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 3: that's five years of having to have a full time

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Speaker 3: job and other hustles to get by. Because what I

695
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 3: was making forty or fifty thousand dollars a year working

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Speaker 3: in the world and still was doing honeypop full time

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Speaker 3: and being the breadwinner of my family even at that number.

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Speaker 3: And until your business reaches a place where you're making

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Speaker 3: at least eight figures, you can't really make the kind

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Speaker 3: of salary that's going to make a.

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Speaker 2: Meaningful difference in your life.

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Speaker 3: And so when you quantify that, that's only been in

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Speaker 3: the last few years. So, like I'm explaining all this

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Speaker 3: so that people can understand that you're gonna do okay,

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Speaker 3: You're gonna be able to live and pay your bills

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Speaker 3: and do all the things right so that you can

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Speaker 3: experience that, so that the blood, sweat and tears that

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Speaker 3: you've put into your business for years and years and

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Speaker 3: years can be realized.

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Speaker 2: It's powerful.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like the partnership and the acquisition that you

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Speaker 1: all have had has allowed you to remain as the

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Speaker 1: CEO and your team to remain in intact so it

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Speaker 1: has much changed about the day to day workings of

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Speaker 1: the business.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, honestly, doctor Joey. We walked away from a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of money to be able to remain not only

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Speaker 3: in control of our business, we walked away from a

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Speaker 3: lot to be able to maintain that kind of control

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Speaker 3: and to also.

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Speaker 2: Be able to maintain our team.

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Speaker 3: If we would have made any other one of the

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Speaker 3: choices that we were offered, because there was a few

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Speaker 3: deals on the table, I believe that Honey Pop would

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00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 3: be a different company today. And that's okay, it's not

726
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: a big deal, right. We walked into that decision with

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00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 3: our eyes wide open. Whoever we went with needed to

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Speaker 3: be a partner that was going to trust what we

729
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: had built and trust the team that had built it,

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Speaker 3: and trust us to be able to scale this until

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Speaker 3: we have to do it again, because at some point

732
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Speaker 3: we will. And so it's a beautiful thing, it's a

733
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: powerful thing. It's important to have the right partners and

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Speaker 3: Compass definitely was the right decision and they are the

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00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 3: right partner for us, and they've done a beautiful job

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Speaker 3: allowing us to maintain our business because they know that

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Speaker 3: we know it best. And it's a very intimate company,

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Speaker 3: not just because what we make is intimate care products,

739
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Speaker 3: but because of the relationship that we have to our customer.

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Speaker 3: That is a very delicate thing and it has to

741
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Speaker 3: be treated with a lot of respect, and so that's

742
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Speaker 3: why they were the ones that we chose.

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Speaker 1: So recently, the Honeypot also announced a historic collaboration. You

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Speaker 1: are the official body care partner of the Atlanta Dream.

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Speaker 1: So tell us about the significance and what does that

746
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Speaker 1: mean that you are the official body care partner.

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Speaker 3: I'm just excited to be able to have this type

748
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Speaker 3: of partnership. We provide them a lot of products in

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Speaker 3: the locker room. We've made an investment into the team,

750
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Speaker 3: which is amazing as it relates to the types of

751
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Speaker 3: products that we make. I think that humans with vaginas

752
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Speaker 3: and sports. They need to have products that work for

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Speaker 3: them because they're in it every day right They're on

754
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 3: the court, they're running, they're exercising, they're moving around, and

755
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Speaker 3: so they need to be able to have the support

756
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Speaker 3: they need with the products they need. But I just

757
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Speaker 3: think that it's really powerful that we've been able to

758
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Speaker 3: have this type of partnership with them, because it also

759
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 3: spans out into the humans that look to the basketball

760
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: team because they're so dope at what they do obviously,

761
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Speaker 3: but it also spans out to them that we're able

762
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Speaker 3: to have this partnership. I think that it benefits on

763
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 3: many levels, obviously with the players. And then we just

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Speaker 3: did a really cool thing with the Atlantic Dream called

765
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Speaker 3: the Atlanta Dream Clinic, and we brought in like an obgyn,

766
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Speaker 3: a dermatologist, somebody that taught financial literacy, somebody that talked

767
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Speaker 3: about mental wellness, and we had ages in there from thirteen,

768
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Speaker 3: I want to say, to like eighteen or nineteen, and

769
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Speaker 3: we took them through all these classes and they were

770
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 3: able to ask questions and it was just a really

771
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Speaker 3: beautiful thing. And so I just think the work that

772
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 3: the Atlanta Dream is doing in the community and for

773
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: their fans is really powerful and I'm really grateful that

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Speaker 3: we can be a part of it.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. We know that there are so many more exciting

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Speaker 1: updates and news to come from the Honeypot. Please let

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Speaker 1: us say where can we stay connected and where can

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Speaker 1: we find you online?

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Speaker 3: You can find us online at the Honeypot Co. That's

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Speaker 3: through our social media handles. You can find us on

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00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 3: our website on the Honeypot dot com or the Honeypot

782
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 3: dot Co. And then you can find us nationwide and

783
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: target Walmart, Walgreens, CBS, any other doors. The best way

784
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 3: to figure out where we are is to go to

785
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 3: our store locator on our website, put in your zip

786
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 3: code and it'll tell you the retailers close by. Or

787
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 3: you can just buy us online or Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, lots of options. We will be sure to include

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Speaker 1: all of that in our show notes. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for spending some time with us today.

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Speaker 2: B Thank you so much, Doctor Joey take care you too.

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