WEBVTT - Hitler’s Olympics, Part 2: Pangloss, Polonius, Prufrock

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<v Speaker 1>Bushkin. We can't. I have never had a single conversation

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<v Speaker 1>where both you and I were not kind of grinning

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<v Speaker 1>as we told charge all stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think there's something kind of lovely about his

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<v Speaker 2>un self consciousness. I mean, he's a rare breed in

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<v Speaker 2>this day and age, the like, completely unself conscious man

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<v Speaker 2>who never for a second doubts his abilities, even though

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<v Speaker 2>there's so much evidence for why he should be doubting

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<v Speaker 2>his abilities.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking to Ben Adaph Haffring, my partner in our

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<v Speaker 1>series on the nineteen thirty six Olympics, the most consequential

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<v Speaker 1>Olympic Games in history.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's also just a really excellent partner in the

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<v Speaker 2>goal of mocking him, because he really preserves all of

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<v Speaker 2>the evidence of his follies and he reads like a

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<v Speaker 2>great character out of literature.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode is about Charles Hitchcock Cheryl, the man who

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<v Speaker 1>in the early nineteen thirties was at the center of

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<v Speaker 1>the debate over whether the United States should go to

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<v Speaker 1>the Berlin Games. In fact, if you ask why the

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<v Speaker 1>Olympic Games are the Olympic Games, how it flourished. It

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<v Speaker 1>endured over the course of the most tumultuous century in history.

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<v Speaker 1>There are really only two people who matter. One is

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<v Speaker 1>Avery Brundage, and we'll get to Brundage later in the series.

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<v Speaker 1>The other is Charles Hitchcock. Cheryl. Cheryl is a forgotten figure. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>traces of him persist only in little scraps here and there.

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<v Speaker 1>But in his day, when Cheryl gave an after dinner

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<v Speaker 1>speech somewhere, it made the Times. When Cheryl complained about

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<v Speaker 1>his neighbour's dog, it made the Times when he died.

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<v Speaker 1>The New York Times wrote no fewer than five stories five.

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<v Speaker 1>He was everywhere. He knew everyone. He was friends with

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<v Speaker 1>every American president, from Teddy to Franklin Roosevelt. He attended

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<v Speaker 1>every reception of importance, every luncheon that mattered. In his

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<v Speaker 1>sixty nine years, he crossed the Atlantic ninety times. He

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<v Speaker 1>was in constant motion. He was Zelig.

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<v Speaker 2>He's Forrest Gump.

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<v Speaker 1>He's Forrest Gump. You know I'm about to you know

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<v Speaker 1>who he is? Hold on, hold on, hold on, Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, he's polonious.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to get this right here. We are okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is from love song with j alf Proof

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<v Speaker 1>Rock maybe T. S. Eliot's most famous poem, and proof

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<v Speaker 1>Rock is a kind of self aware version of Charles Cheryl, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>yes here we are okay. No, I am not Prince Hamlet,

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<v Speaker 1>nor was meant to be. I am an attendant.

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<v Speaker 3>Lord, the one that will do to swell a progress,

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<v Speaker 3>start a scene, or to advise the Prince, no doubt,

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<v Speaker 3>an easy tool, deferential, glad to be of use, politic,

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<v Speaker 3>cautious and particulous, full of high sentence, but a bit

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<v Speaker 3>of cuse at times, indeed almost ridiculous, almost at times.

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<v Speaker 1>The fool that's him?

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<v Speaker 2>That is him? And also can I do another literary pe?

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<v Speaker 2>This is he's also Pangloss, you know, Condide's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>utopian philosopher who's completely fatuous. The Pangloss quote is it

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<v Speaker 2>is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all being created for an end, all is necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>for the best end. And that's also Ryl's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>that's his philosophy of inconsequence, why really bother because everything's

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<v Speaker 2>so great and it's just how it ought to be?

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<v Speaker 1>Zelig force Gump, polonious Pangloss. Oh, and one more.

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<v Speaker 2>That reminds me of the Dorothy Thompson who goes Nazi

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<v Speaker 2>quote that he has been treated to forms of education

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<v Speaker 2>which have released him from inhibitions. His body is vigorous,

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<v Speaker 2>his mind is childish. His soul has been almost completely neglected.

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<v Speaker 1>A yes. Remember Dorothy Thompson's parlor game where she describes

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<v Speaker 1>going to parties, looking around the room and picking out

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<v Speaker 1>which person was most likely to go Nazi. Thompson had

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<v Speaker 1>two particularly interesting archetypes, misters B and C. Charles Cheryl

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<v Speaker 1>was the embodiment of mister B. Mister B has risen

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<v Speaker 1>beyond his real abilities by virtue of health, good looks,

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<v Speaker 1>and being a good mixer. He married for money, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's done lots of other things for money. His code

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<v Speaker 1>is not his own. It is that of his class,

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<v Speaker 1>no worse, no better. He fits easily into whatever pattern

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<v Speaker 1>is successful. That is his measure of value. Success. Nazism

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<v Speaker 1>as a minority movement would not attract him. As a

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<v Speaker 1>movement likely to attain power, it would. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>Malcolm Gladwell. You're listening to Revisionist History, my podcast about

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<v Speaker 1>things overlooked and misunderstood. This is episode two in our

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<v Speaker 1>series Hitler's Olympics, How and Why America went to the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty six Games. Charles Cheryl grew up in Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>d c. His father made a lot of money lobbying

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<v Speaker 1>for the big railroad interests. He went to college at Yale,

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<v Speaker 1>then worked for a time as a lawyer on Wall Street.

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<v Speaker 1>He was tall, slender, with a long imperial nose, bright

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<v Speaker 1>twinkling eyes, a full head of blonde hair, and a

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<v Speaker 1>thriving mustache. He wrote twenty books, mostly about stained glass.

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<v Speaker 1>It's his memoirs, though, that are ar tour de Force,

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<v Speaker 1>an unpublished three hundred and sixty page compendium of every anecdote, accolade, witticism,

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<v Speaker 1>and celebrity encounter in his entire life. Here is my favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>In October nineteen thirty one, I had the honor of

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<v Speaker 1>lunching alone at the White House with President Hoover because

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted me to undertake a certain matter, which I

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<v Speaker 1>guessed he thought me reluctant to do. That opening is

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<v Speaker 1>very Charles Cheryl. He was not the sort who volunteered.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be ghusch. He waited for opportunity to ask

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<v Speaker 1>him to lunch. It was an excellent luncheon, he continues,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was pleased to see upon each of the

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<v Speaker 1>four corners of the table small silver dishes containing cherries.

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<v Speaker 1>I am very fond of cherries, and so looked forward

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<v Speaker 1>to indulging in them when the arrived. Therefore, while I

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<v Speaker 1>was partaking out of a cup of soup, the President

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<v Speaker 1>ate the cherries out of his dish and remarked to me,

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<v Speaker 1>I see you do not like cherries, and then proceeded

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<v Speaker 1>to eat all the cherries out of all four dishes.

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<v Speaker 1>This stunned me, but of course I made a comment

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<v Speaker 1>upon his disposal of all the cherries in sight. The

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<v Speaker 1>President then makes a pitch for the post. He wants

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<v Speaker 1>Cheryl to take some minor ambassadorship or blue ribbon panel.

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<v Speaker 1>Cheryl demurs. The President is crestfallen, but as they leave

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<v Speaker 1>the luncheon, Cheryl turns to Hoover and gently says, I think, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>that you do not realize that a man does not

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<v Speaker 1>always know just what the other man likes or does

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<v Speaker 1>not like. For example, at luncheon, you said I did

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<v Speaker 1>not appear to like cherries, But you are mistake, because

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<v Speaker 1>I am very fond of cherries. But there might be

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<v Speaker 1>something else which I would like to do to serve you,

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<v Speaker 1>which I like as much as I like cherries, and

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<v Speaker 1>possibly it is something that you have not thought of

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<v Speaker 1>in connection with me. And then the kicker, perhaps this

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<v Speaker 1>remark of mine has something to do with his subsequently

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<v Speaker 1>asking me to undertake the embassy to Turkey. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>can you see why we are so fascinated with Cheryl?

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<v Speaker 1>It's all there in the showdown over the cherry bowl,

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<v Speaker 1>his willingness to speak truth to power, his will to succeed,

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<v Speaker 1>his daring conversational gambits. Cheryl's most enduring fame, however, was

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<v Speaker 1>as a sportsman. He was a champion sprinter at Yale.

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<v Speaker 1>He never went to the Olympics, but he did briefly

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<v Speaker 1>share the world record for the hundred yard dash. But

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<v Speaker 1>that was just part of it. You know how sprinter's

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<v Speaker 1>crouch at the start of every race instead of standing.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Cheryl invented the crouching start, or at least he

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<v Speaker 1>says he did.

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<v Speaker 4>Any One that looked at my hand will be that

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<v Speaker 4>I have a luck line which surprises all of those

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<v Speaker 4>who are wise in such.

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<v Speaker 1>Such Cheryl was much sought after as an after dinner speaker,

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<v Speaker 1>and he would often begin with a story or two

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<v Speaker 1>of his halcyon days at Yale as a champion athletic innovator.

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<v Speaker 4>Which brings me to the athletic thought that although I

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<v Speaker 4>should play credit for the invention of the catching start,

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<v Speaker 4>the real fact is that it's due more to luck

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<v Speaker 4>than brain. I happened upon it and it turned out

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<v Speaker 4>to be worth at least the yard, and I got

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<v Speaker 4>credit or something with my luck really deserved.

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<v Speaker 1>You know how you have an uncle who stole home

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<v Speaker 1>in the little league to win the county championship and

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<v Speaker 1>he's still telling that story fifty years later. Cheryl was

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<v Speaker 1>like that with the crouching start.

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<v Speaker 2>He has this glorious life that everyone in the world

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<v Speaker 2>is basically supporting, because even he get has all these

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<v Speaker 2>letters from presidents just being not saying anything important, but

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<v Speaker 2>being like, Chaz loved your book on stayin Glass. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like three paragraphs from Teddy Roosevelt telling him how great

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<v Speaker 2>his book on stained Glass is. And I believe that

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<v Speaker 2>he actually read Charles Cheryl's book on Stained Glass. But

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<v Speaker 2>for what reason other than to make Cheryl feel good

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<v Speaker 2>about himself, which is just the mission of even the

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<v Speaker 2>most powerful man in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know about the Teddy Roosevelt. There's a great

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<v Speaker 1>Teddy Roosevelt moment in uh oh, yeah, he goes to

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<v Speaker 1>see Roosevelt. This is from his tires and he's he

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<v Speaker 1>waits for half an hour before going into the president

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<v Speaker 1>study because Booker Washington had been called called in to

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<v Speaker 1>advise up upon a speech touching on the colored race.

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<v Speaker 1>So just so we know, like he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, something meaningful is really going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Booker T. Washington was one of the most important African

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<v Speaker 1>American leaders of his generation, and they're talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>central problem facing the American public. And Cheryl is like

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<v Speaker 1>waiting impatiently because he said, I followed him and after

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<v Speaker 1>the purpose of my visit was concluded a rose to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>The President asked my opinion of two bronzes. One was

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<v Speaker 1>the Bronco Buster, which had been presented to him by

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<v Speaker 1>the old Regiment, the rough Riders. The other was the

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<v Speaker 1>Crouching Start by Tate McKenzie.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, that's that's what I found in the museum.

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<v Speaker 1>We are deep into digression mode here, But at some

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<v Speaker 1>point in our mutual obsession with Charles Cheryl Ben found

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<v Speaker 1>himself in a community museum in some waspy corner of Connecticut,

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<v Speaker 1>and stumbled upon a statue of a tall, handsome man

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<v Speaker 1>in a crouching start. Chills went down his spine exactly exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>I laughingly declared my inability to give any unprejudiced answer

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<v Speaker 1>because I was the first runner to use the crouching start.

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<v Speaker 2>Not true.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, come back here and sit down, snapped

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<v Speaker 1>out the President, and then followed a rapid fire useilade

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<v Speaker 1>as to why that start had been invented, its advantages, limitations, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>Until I felt as if a stomach pump had been

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<v Speaker 1>applied to my brain.

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<v Speaker 5>Like just so we understand, Roosevelt has just met what

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<v Speaker 5>Booker t WASHINGTD to discuss the central issue facing the Republic,

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<v Speaker 5>which is the continued like crime be committed against the

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<v Speaker 5>black people.

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<v Speaker 1>Cheryl shows up, Now what does the president do? Finally

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<v Speaker 1>comes alive with the question of the origin of the

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<v Speaker 1>crouching start. Presidents were impressed by Charles Cheryl, and so

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<v Speaker 1>was an organization that lies at the very heart of

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<v Speaker 1>this story, the International Olympic Committee the IOC. The IOC

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<v Speaker 1>is the governing body of the Olympic Games then is now.

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<v Speaker 1>It is based in Lauzon, Switzerland, neutral territory. It has

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate control over all aspects of the games, the rules,

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<v Speaker 1>the events, the schedule, where the games are held, Who

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<v Speaker 1>gets invited. The organization's founder was Pierre de Coupertan Baron

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<v Speaker 1>de Cupertin, a French aristocrat. He got the modern game

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<v Speaker 1>started in Greece in eighteen ninety six, planted the seed,

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<v Speaker 1>and from the beginning he surrounded himself with his friends,

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<v Speaker 1>basically other aristocrats. He referred to them as the trusted Men.

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<v Speaker 1>The Baron's successor to run the IOC was Count Henri

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<v Speaker 1>dubayers LeTour of Belgium. Someone once wrote of the Count's wife,

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<v Speaker 1>the Comtesse Elizabeth von Clarie Unaldringen. She traveled widely as

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<v Speaker 1>her husband was a passionate tourist. The comtest was also

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<v Speaker 1>a Nazi, who wrote a personal note of thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>Adolf Hitler after he invaded her country. But we're getting

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of ourselves. Another Olympic committee member, his Excellency the

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<v Speaker 1>most excellent, the Marquise of sam the Spanish aristocrat who

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<v Speaker 1>ran the IOC for twenty one years. One biographical note

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<v Speaker 1>on Samarank reads that quote. During his studies he practiced

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<v Speaker 1>roller hockey, for which he created world Championships, which the

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<v Speaker 1>Spanish team won roller hockey. He picks a sport no

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<v Speaker 1>one plays, and then invents a world championships where he

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<v Speaker 1>has to be the favorite. I mean, that is just

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<v Speaker 1>about the most perfect description of enterprising white guy privilege ever.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's not forget about Lord David George brownlow Cecil Berlin,

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<v Speaker 1>heir to the Marquess of Exeter, who once ran around

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<v Speaker 1>the upper promenade deck of the Queen Mary Ocean Liner

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<v Speaker 1>in fifty seven seconds dressed in street clothes, a record

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm pretty sure still stands. Burgley was the one

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<v Speaker 1>who bestowed the golden bronze medals on the American runners

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<v Speaker 1>John Carlos and Tommy Smith at the Mexico Games in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty eight, where on the victory stand the two

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<v Speaker 1>famously raised glove fists in a black power salute. When

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<v Speaker 1>asked why Carlos and Smith wore gloves that day, Burley said,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought they'd hurt their hands. These were the men

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<v Speaker 1>of the Io Sea. They would meet every year or

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<v Speaker 1>so in a grand hotel in one of the many

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<v Speaker 1>storied capitals of Europe, put on long black coats and

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<v Speaker 1>striped pants and bowler hats, drink a lot of Chateau

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<v Speaker 1>Lafitte Rothschild, and regale each other with stories of past

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<v Speaker 1>athletic triumphs. It was the greatest men's club in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and in retrospect, it was surely only a matter of

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<v Speaker 1>time before the IOC set their sights on a certain

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<v Speaker 1>dashing mustachiote sprinting champion from New York City who held

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<v Speaker 1>the ear of Presidents. Let me read to you from

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<v Speaker 1>the June eighth, nineteen twenty two edition of the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times. Olympic Committee Aleks Mister Cheryl will bring a

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<v Speaker 1>vast store of athletic knowledge to the Committee. While at

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<v Speaker 1>Yale he won the intercollegiate one hundred yard dash championship

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<v Speaker 1>four years in succession. He was wait for it, the

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<v Speaker 1>originator of the crouching start, which is now used in

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<v Speaker 1>all sprints in every section of the world. Zelig Forrest Gum,

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<v Speaker 1>Polonius Pangloss, Mister b and the Thomas Edison of the

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<v Speaker 1>crouching start. Our man of parts has now been given

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<v Speaker 1>his greatest role ever a member of the International Olympic Committee,

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<v Speaker 1>and over the next decade his medal will be put

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<v Speaker 1>to the test do I dare to introduce yet another

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<v Speaker 1>literary analog, Hercules, of course, whom the Oracle of Delphi

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<v Speaker 1>directed to perform twelve trials in exchange for immortality, the

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<v Speaker 1>slaying of the Hydra, the cleansing of the augien Stables,

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<v Speaker 1>on and on. You read the Greek myths and immediately

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<v Speaker 1>your thinking of Charles Hitchcock Cheryl. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>where is the most famous depiction of the labors of

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<v Speaker 1>Hercules in a sculpture found in the Temple of Zeus

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<v Speaker 1>at Olympia. It all fits. Adolf Hitler's rise to the

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<v Speaker 1>leadership of Germany was swift. In nineteen twenty three, in

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<v Speaker 1>his mid thirties, he makes an incredibly clumsy coup attempt

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<v Speaker 1>in Munich and gets arrested. Spends nine months in prison,

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<v Speaker 1>where he writes Mankomfe his vision for a new ary

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<v Speaker 1>in Germany, cleansed of Jews and outsiders, and as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as he gets out, his star ascends. By the time

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<v Speaker 1>our famous American journalist Dorothy Thompson interviews Hitler at the

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<v Speaker 1>Kaiserhoff Hotel in nineteen thirty one, the Nazis are the

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<v Speaker 1>second biggest party in the German parliament, and gaining ground,

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<v Speaker 1>and Thompson is trying to figure out whether Hitler can

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<v Speaker 1>actually get elected Chancellor, especially since he makes it clear

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<v Speaker 1>that he doesn't actually believe in democracy. Thompson wrote, people

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<v Speaker 1>were to awaken, and Hitler's movement was going to vote

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<v Speaker 1>dictatorship in in itself a fascinating idea. Imagine a would

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<v Speaker 1>be dictator setting out to persuade a sovereign people to

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<v Speaker 1>vote away their rights. In nineteen thirty three, Hitler pulls

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<v Speaker 1>it off. It comes to power almost immediately. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>boycott of Jewish businesses. People start beating up Jews in

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<v Speaker 1>the streets. Jews get banned from professional organizations and sports clubs.

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<v Speaker 1>The Nazis, it turns out, care a great deal about sports,

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<v Speaker 1>about physical fitness, about vigorous competition, and their vision of

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<v Speaker 1>sports does not include Jews. Germany's best tennis player at

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<v Speaker 1>the time is Jewish doctor Daniel Prenn, and he gets

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<v Speaker 1>kicked off the country's Davis Cup team. In the spring

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen thirty three, the head of the German an

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<v Speaker 1>organizing committee for the Berlin Games, Teodolibald, is stripped of

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<v Speaker 1>his post because there were some Jewish people in his

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<v Speaker 1>family tree. In May of nineteen thirty three, the German

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Commissioner gives an interview where he says that German

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<v Speaker 1>sports are for arians. The American Jewish Congress sends a

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<v Speaker 1>telegram to the American delegates to the IOC. It says,

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<v Speaker 1>no jew in America or in other countries could, in

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<v Speaker 1>self respect undertake to appear in Germany under present conditions.

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<v Speaker 1>The Olympic ideal and the Nazi agenda are on a

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<v Speaker 1>collision course. Now it's June nineteen thirty three. The IOC

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<v Speaker 1>has its big meetings set for Vienna. It was almost

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<v Speaker 1>certainly at the Hotel Imperial, a magnificent building in the

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<v Speaker 1>Italian Neo Renaissance style, marble lobby, coffered ceilings, crystal chandeliers.

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<v Speaker 1>No other place would be up to the IOC's standards.

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<v Speaker 1>Little known fact about the Imperial, by the way, Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>worked there briefly as a janitor when he was bombing

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<v Speaker 1>around Vienna in his twenties. Sixty six delegates are coming

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<v Speaker 1>for the IOC meeting from every country of significance in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. The Men's Club has gathered in their long

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<v Speaker 1>black coats, their striped pants and bowler hats. A special

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<v Speaker 1>program is printed up for all in attendance, which begins

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<v Speaker 1>on its opening page with a questionnaire. Are you a sportsman? One?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you play the game for the game's sake? Two?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you play for your team and not yourself? Three?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you carry out your captain's orders without question or criticism? Four?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you accept the umpire's decision absolutely? Five? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>win without swank and lose without grousing? And then the

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<v Speaker 1>crucial one six would you rather lose than do anything

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<v Speaker 1>which you are not sure is fair? The Vienna meeting

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<v Speaker 1>focuses squarely on that sixth question. A true sportsman would

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<v Speaker 1>rather lose than do anything that wasn't fair, And the

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<v Speaker 1>delegates are perfectly aware of what's going on in Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>Not letting Jews compete simply because they are Jews is

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<v Speaker 1>for the sportsman surely the definition of unfairness.

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<v Speaker 4>But our International Committee does not concern itself with internal

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<v Speaker 4>athletic conditions in any country, but only with the choice

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<v Speaker 4>of that country's members for its Olympic team.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Cheryl in a speech outlining the Commission's dilemma

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<v Speaker 1>that week in Vienna.

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<v Speaker 4>Now that's very important to remember with that choice, we

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<v Speaker 4>insist that race, religion, color, and sofar shall.

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<v Speaker 1>Not interfere cognitive dissonance upon us. And the Olympic committee

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<v Speaker 1>members have four ways they can resolve it. They can

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<v Speaker 1>move the game somewhere else. They can cancel the games

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<v Speaker 1>the way they did in nineteen sixteen in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the First World War. They can keep the games

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<v Speaker 1>in Berlin and simply let everyone boycott. Or they can

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<v Speaker 1>convince the Nazis to have a change of heart when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to their Jewish athletes. What should they do?

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<v Speaker 1>Let us put ourselves in the mind of our hero,

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Hitchcock Cheryl. He has sailed the Atlantic ninety times.

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<v Speaker 1>He has written a book on German stained glass windows.

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<v Speaker 1>He knows the Teutonic soul and did not Charles Hitchcock

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<v Speaker 1>Cheryl stare down the President of the United States over

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<v Speaker 1>the thorny issue of the disputed cherrybyl Why bow to tyranny?

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<v Speaker 1>Why not compel tyranny to bow to you? The last

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<v Speaker 1>option to convince the Nazis to be less Nazi was

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<v Speaker 1>the only choice. Cheryl sends a telegram home to the

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<v Speaker 1>American Jewish Congress, rest assured that I shall stoutly maintain

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<v Speaker 1>the American principle that all citizens are equal under the law.

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<v Speaker 1>The key business of the Vienna meeting was conducted by

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<v Speaker 1>a six man executive committee headed by the Belgian count

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<v Speaker 1>Henri du Baye LeTour, and Cheryl, by virtue of his

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<v Speaker 1>stature as a diplomat and storied athlete, is the key

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<v Speaker 1>player in that inner circle. They meet behind closed doors.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine a room full of mustachio gentlemen in an ornate

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<v Speaker 1>conference room festooned with portraits of other mustachio gentlemen. Cheryl

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<v Speaker 1>by LeTour and the English delegate on one side of

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<v Speaker 1>the long oak conference table, the Germans on the other.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a trying fight, Cheryl explains later in a

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<v Speaker 1>letter to a friend. The British said, let the Germans be,

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<v Speaker 1>but Cheryl would have none of it. The Germans yielded slowly,

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<v Speaker 1>very slowly. First they conceded that the other nations could

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<v Speaker 1>bring Jews. Then I went at them hard, insisting that

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<v Speaker 1>as they had expressly excluded Jews, now they must expressly

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<v Speaker 1>declare that Jews would not even be excluded from German teams.

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<v Speaker 1>He would tell this story often in the intervening years.

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<v Speaker 4>I personally fearing unfair treatment of Jewish athlete in the

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<v Speaker 4>selection for the German nineteen thirty sixth Olympic team. Made

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<v Speaker 4>it my business who pushed the points so far that

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<v Speaker 4>our committee received from the German Ministry of Interior Ministerium

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<v Speaker 4>dos Center a letter of three short paragraphs, third of

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<v Speaker 4>which reads, as a principal German Jews shall not be

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<v Speaker 4>excluded from German team at the game of the eleventh Olympia.

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<v Speaker 4>At his next year, I had the honor of drafting

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<v Speaker 4>that third paragraph. Perhaps you will agree that I felt

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<v Speaker 4>everyone at home and abroad thought that I was thus

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<v Speaker 4>doing my best for the Jews.

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<v Speaker 1>In Vienna, there are reporters gathered at the hotel waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for news to break. Cheryl emerges, triumphant that games will

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<v Speaker 1>go on. A cheer goes up around the world. The

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times, Charles Cheryl's newspaper of record, calls him

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<v Speaker 1>a hero. The straightforward character of the promise obtained from

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<v Speaker 1>the German government came as all the greater surprise, and

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<v Speaker 1>the opinion was expressed that a real blow had been

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<v Speaker 1>struck in the cause of racial freedom, at least in

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<v Speaker 1>the realm of sports. Charles Cheryl confronts the contradt of

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<v Speaker 1>the Berlin Games, the cognitive dissonance of a pure competition

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<v Speaker 1>in an impure place, and he resolves it how not

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<v Speaker 1>like Dorothy Thompson. She said, you resolve it by not going.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, no, you resolve it by making the impure

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<v Speaker 1>place pure, by staring down his German counterparts across the

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<v Speaker 1>negotiating table, and through sheer force of personality and intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>and courage and good old fashioned New York City moxie,

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<v Speaker 1>bending them to our will. The Vienna Declaration was Charles

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<v Speaker 1>Hitchcock Cheryl's finest hour. The controversy over the Games faded,

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<v Speaker 1>The Olympics were saved. Problem solved, right, Oh, no, problem

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<v Speaker 1>is just beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to keep talking about what's funny about Charles Cheryl,

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<v Speaker 2>because I do think he's hilarious and he brings me

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:08.440
<v Speaker 2>so much joy. I think he also raises a number

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<v Speaker 2>of very complicated moral questions. Yeah, and I found myself

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the second day that I went

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<v Speaker 2>into the archives. His scrapbooks are at the New York

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<v Speaker 2>Historical Society.

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<v Speaker 1>The New York Historical Society is a massive bozar building

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<v Speaker 1>on Manhattan's Upper West Side, right by the Natural History Museum.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were a man of Charles Cheryl's stature, there

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<v Speaker 1>is no other place worthy of your collected papers.

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<v Speaker 2>So we found out that Charles Pitchcock Cheryl had lovingly

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<v Speaker 2>documented his entire life. You know, most archives you go to,

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 2>they're just boxes of stuff that was left to a library,

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:50.479
<v Speaker 2>and then they had to figure out some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>archival organization's scheme for it. Not Charles Cheryl's papers. Everything

0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:59.280
<v Speaker 2>that he kept was preserved in a scrap book, in

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<v Speaker 2>actually four four scrap books that then when he died

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty six, his wife be queathed to the

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<v Speaker 2>New York Historical Society.

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<v Speaker 1>Ben spent days at Historical Society archives digging to the

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<v Speaker 1>Cheryl mother lord.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they're all like six inches wide. And the

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<v Speaker 2>thing is, the legacy of Cheryl continues in the pristineness

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<v Speaker 2>of these scrap books. I mean, his ink doesn't fade,

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<v Speaker 2>the glue he uses to bind this stuff doesn't give,

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:33.520
<v Speaker 2>and all of the paper was still so crisp and weighty.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything is written on these like robins egg blue and

0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 2>pearl thick stock pages, or like silky diary pages. He

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<v Speaker 2>just had the best of everything, and it's all withstood

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<v Speaker 2>the test of time.

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<v Speaker 1>Was the wife in donating these materials? Let's accept for

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<v Speaker 1>a moment the premise that the wife may not have been,

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship may not have been. Should we say conventional?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think she's Do you think she knows what

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 1>she's doing? Oh? The wife? We haven't talked about her yet.

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<v Speaker 1>She was the heir to the Berkshire Cotton manufacturing Company,

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 1>which would later merge with Hathaway to create you guessed it,

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Berkshire Hathaway, which her family would turn around and sell

0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 1>to a young Warren Buffett. Yet another way in which

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<v Speaker 1>the world turns around. Charles Hitchcock Cheryl. Anyhow, missus Charles

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<v Speaker 1>Hitchcock Cheryl takes the complete set of her husband's papers,

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<v Speaker 1>has them preserved in perpetuity, and apparently never checks to

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<v Speaker 1>see what's in them. Or maybe she does and she's

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 1>fine with it. Now. It's crucially important that he dies

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<v Speaker 1>in thirty six right.

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<v Speaker 2>The former head of manuscripts that the New York Historical

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<v Speaker 2>Society points out that this is the rare occasion on

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<v Speaker 2>which a American who really fell in love and hard

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 2>with the Nazi Party was unable to then sanitize his

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:06.280
<v Speaker 2>records after seeing what happened in World War Two. So

0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:10.160
<v Speaker 2>what we have here is a perfectly preserved in amber.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the Jurassic Park Mosquito of nineteen thirties American fascism,

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<v Speaker 2>because nothing there was, you know, already a very high

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<v Speaker 2>bar for self consciousness in Charles Cheryl's life, and so

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<v Speaker 2>the full force of his love for the Nazis is

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<v Speaker 2>on display in volume thirty five of his forty four

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<v Speaker 2>scrap book collection.

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<v Speaker 1>In our next episode, we delve into the buried treasure

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<v Speaker 1>of scrap Book thirty five, the uncensored journal of a

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<v Speaker 1>man in the process of going Nazi.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm an attendant lord, one that will do to swell

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<v Speaker 3>a progress, start a scene, or do advise the Prince,

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<v Speaker 3>no doubt, an easy tool, deferential, glad to be of use, politic,

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<v Speaker 3>cautious and particulous, full of high sentence, but a bit

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<v Speaker 3>of cute at times, indeed almost ridiculous, almost at times.

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<v Speaker 1>The fool Well Yes Religious History is produced by ben

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<v Speaker 1>Na daph Haffrey, Tolly Emlin and Nina Bird Lawrence. Our

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<v Speaker 1>editor is Sarah Nix. Fact checking by Arthur Gomberts and

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<v Speaker 1>Jail Goldfein. Original scoring by Luis Gara, mastering by Flan Williams,

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Buger and Jake Gorsky. Engineering by Nina Bird Lawrence.

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<v Speaker 1>Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. Special thanks to Karen Chakerji.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Malcolm gladwa