Speaker 1: Welcome The Money in Wealth with John Hobryant, a production
Speaker 1: of the Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartRadio. Hey, Hey,
Speaker 1: this is John Hope Bryant and this is Money and Wealth.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm on the wrong program. I don't belong here. No,
Speaker 2: if you're talking about money and wealth, if you're talking
Speaker 2: about politics, and if you're talking about human rights, then
Speaker 2: maybe you got the right fella. But good, let's see
Speaker 2: where we go.
Speaker 1: I think the guy who helped to build the only
Speaker 1: international city in the South, Atlanta, Georgia, the traditional South
Speaker 1: into a four hundred and fifty billion dollars plus a
Speaker 1: year economic powerhouse, the only mayor who happened to be
Speaker 1: mentored by doctor Martin the King Jr. Amongst his many successes,
Speaker 1: and the guy who made I Knew a million dollars
Speaker 1: a year and gave most of it away. I think
Speaker 1: you're more qualified to talk about money and well, just
Speaker 1: the only reason you won't happen is you gave it away.
Speaker 1: So now he interrupted me, I can tell you the
Speaker 1: gentleman next to me, my mentor of my hero, the
Speaker 1: Operation Global Spokesman, is Ambassador Reverend Doctor Ambassador Andrew J. Young,
Speaker 1: who I jokingly, but I think seriously also suggests is
Speaker 1: that Nelson Mandela of our generation in the world, there
Speaker 1: is nobody else who has one hundred and thirty honorary
Speaker 1: doctor degrees. Doesn't exist, not a black man. When I
Speaker 1: was coming up trying to be an international businessman, the
Speaker 1: only people I knew who were international and about the
Speaker 1: business and respected by whites and blacks and everybody else
Speaker 1: around the world was Quincy Jones, an ambassador Andrew Young.
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
Speaker 3: Either Quincy's doing Quincy Quincy's Quincy's fine, okay, But Ambassador
Speaker 3: Young is ninety two years young, and as you're about
Speaker 3: to hear it, ain't nothing knowed about him.
Speaker 1: But what you have is a unique opportunity to get
Speaker 1: both a history lesson and a business plan for your life.
Speaker 1: This is not just looking backwards, it's looking forward. This
Speaker 1: is about right now, because over his span of ninety
Speaker 1: two years, we've gone from what they call civil rights
Speaker 1: to what I call silver rights. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: in the room. I saw video recently on Instagram where
Speaker 1: folks are talking about doctor King's last meetings and he
Speaker 1: met with Harry Belafonte in New York talking about the
Speaker 1: next movement being about poverty. Well, you don't need to
Speaker 1: watch a video about that. He was in the room.
Speaker 1: He was also on the balcony when doctor King was assassinating.
Speaker 1: This is a man who has lived history. Helped to
Speaker 1: get President Jimmy Carter elected along with Daddy King, was
Speaker 1: the first black UN ambassador in the history of the US.
Speaker 1: And I won't do this for long because he will
Speaker 1: rupt me. He was the first black man to be
Speaker 1: elected into Congress's reconstruction and the mayor, you know, Mayor Jackson,
Speaker 1: to give him his credit, created black wealth in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: But it was Andrew Young who actually turned the color
Speaker 1: green and made it international. He turned Atlanta in the
Speaker 1: into the only international city, as I said earlier, in
Speaker 1: the traditional South, and it's the biggest economy in the
Speaker 1: traditional South. Folks trying to copy what he's done. I mean, basically,
Speaker 1: Nashville is a country music version of Atlanta. That's not
Speaker 1: a disc that's a compliment to them.
Speaker 2: And the Vanderbilt football team beat Alabama, so we got
Speaker 2: to show them a little something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, this episode is going to be evergreen,
Speaker 1: so you don't want to talk about too much stuff
Speaker 1: that is in the moment, because it's going to live
Speaker 1: on forever. As you can see as a very very
Speaker 1: vibrant since the humor, and he doesn't mind cutting me
Speaker 1: off either. As you will notice throughout the entire segment.
Speaker 1: We'll try not to make this a comedy skit, but
Speaker 1: I love this guy. He underrated in the world. He
Speaker 1: just came up Andrew Young Boulevard. I'm not kidding. To
Speaker 1: get to the office here, he had to come up
Speaker 1: Andrew Young. He talked about where he had lunch today. Well,
Speaker 1: you know it was in Andrew Young Boulevard and Blank Street.
Speaker 1: He just says it like it's nothing. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're Andrew Young. He doesn't even think about it.
Speaker 1: It's just an incredible leader in the world. And you
Speaker 1: should do your research. By the way, you guys watching
Speaker 1: and listen to this, I'm sure you've heard the name
Speaker 1: and you knew he had some associated with doct association
Speaker 1: with doctor King, But I'm sure you didn't not know all.
Speaker 1: Did you know? He brought the Olympic Games to Atlanta? Hello,
Speaker 1: the ninety six Olympic Games. He goes on and on
Speaker 1: and on. So do some research, use artificial intelligence, and
Speaker 1: use the Internet for something productive. Research his name. Teach
Speaker 1: it to your kids, your brother, your sister, your friends,
Speaker 1: your wife, your mate, because this is the history that matters.
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna get into this money and Wether episode
Speaker 1: because there's some things you don't know you might have
Speaker 1: assumed that are wrong. How did Andrew Young get to
Speaker 1: Doctor King? Well, they knew each other, you'll hear the story,
Speaker 1: and they liked each other. But there were people within
Speaker 1: the SELC that figured, you know, everybody had a role already.
Speaker 1: The didn't need him around and doctor King was out
Speaker 1: giving speeches and so they really tried to shoe him away,
Speaker 1: but he came back with some money. This is where
Speaker 1: the money conversation starts. He came back to SELC to
Speaker 1: support Doctor King with some money. What was that about Ambassato, Well.
Speaker 2: What happened was that there was a wonderful lady by
Speaker 2: the name of missus Septemer Clark from Charleston, South Carolina,
Speaker 2: and she was teaching the Long Showmen. They lived on
Speaker 2: John's Island and had to come to work every morning
Speaker 2: between five and six on a ferry. Well, Missus Clark
Speaker 2: was a school teacher who got up at four thirty
Speaker 2: in the morning and got on the ferry and she
Speaker 2: was teaching these long showmen to read and write so
Speaker 2: that they could register the vote. And that's the way
Speaker 2: she taught them. And she taught them really by teaching
Speaker 2: them that they could already read. For instance, well here,
Speaker 2: if you hold that up, everybody say coca cola, and
Speaker 2: there may be a thousand signs, a thousand words that
Speaker 2: are in everybody's vocabulary, but they never hook them together.
Speaker 2: And what she did was develop a method of reading,
Speaker 2: teaching reading that when you learn coca cola, she broke
Speaker 2: it down into syllables so that whenever you see coo,
Speaker 2: you see coke and la is law. And once she
Speaker 2: taught people to recognize the the syllables, it was pretty
Speaker 2: easy for them to in their daily lives just read
Speaker 2: the things that they were looking at. And the State
Speaker 2: of South Carolina fired her from a teaching job.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna have this problem the entire podcast. I
Speaker 1: asked him a question about him, and he's gonna tell
Speaker 1: us a story about some person who he wants to
Speaker 1: make sure they get credit for being in this rice.
Speaker 1: Bast young, Uh, you're humble. I'm talking about you and
Speaker 1: how you got the job working with doctor King and
Speaker 1: that grants you got from your church. You what does
Speaker 1: this have to do with with the what's her name
Speaker 1: September clarkpt Clark?
Speaker 2: What it has to do with I wouldn't have thought
Speaker 2: about the grant until I met her.
Speaker 1: Ah, you need to shut up with money.
Speaker 2: Wealth Wealth at its best it comes when you problem
Speaker 2: and you realize that what's missing in that equation is
Speaker 2: the amount of money available, Okay, And so that's what
Speaker 2: brought me to Martin Luther King.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: I then said SCLC did not have five oh one
Speaker 2: C three right, and so I went to my.
Speaker 1: Denomination a nonprofit designation. Probably one C three is a
Speaker 1: nonprofit corporate designation. Did you know that, by the way,
Speaker 1: for SELC, doctor King's organization did not have a non
Speaker 1: profit designation.
Speaker 2: Well, he had just come from Montgomery to Atlanta. He
Speaker 2: stayed in Montgomery till almost nineteen sixty one, and he
Speaker 2: came back to Atlanta, and I was starting an office
Speaker 2: from scratch when when they talked to me, he didn't
Speaker 2: even have an office in Atlanta, and they came to
Speaker 2: see me in New York. I was working with the
Speaker 2: National Council of Churches at my denominational headquarters was right
Speaker 2: there in New York. So I went over to see them,
Speaker 2: and they agreed that they would accept the grant from
Speaker 2: the Marshall Field Foundation. And we had schools that had
Speaker 2: been built after the Civil War under the American Missionary Association,
Speaker 2: and they put up money to repair two or three
Speaker 2: of these schools in South Carolina, Frogmore in Dorchester, Liberty
Speaker 2: County and Georgia over in Alabama and Perry County, which
Speaker 2: is where Marion, Alabama and Selma are related. And so
Speaker 2: we fixed up some properties and used them as teaching places.
Speaker 2: And then with the money that had been given to
Speaker 2: us by the Marshall Field Foundation, she and I and
Speaker 2: Dorothy Cotton drove from Charleston all the way over to
Speaker 2: New Orleans, Louisiana, my hometown, and we stopped every way,
Speaker 2: every place, and we were looking for we were looking
Speaker 2: for the people who had PhD minds but who had
Speaker 2: never had a formal education. And believe it or not,
Speaker 2: they're in a single town in the South where there
Speaker 2: wasn't somebody who was absolutely brilliant that everybody looked to
Speaker 2: for leadership. Sometimes they had a little education. Most of
Speaker 2: the time they had a business. And the people who
Speaker 2: were respect in the little towns of country towns, people
Speaker 2: places like it a Beena, Mississippi that you might never
Speaker 2: have heard for of unless you knew James Bebel, who
Speaker 2: ended up working with us in the c in the
Speaker 2: Civil Rights movement. These are the children of the sixties.
Speaker 2: And I was a little older, but not much. And
Speaker 2: that's what brought me to work with Martin Luther King
Speaker 2: and parties.
Speaker 1: Not telling you because he's humble, is he's I mean,
Speaker 1: he's just really he's really smart than everybody else in
Speaker 1: the room, and he intimidates people and he's not gonna
Speaker 1: tell you this, but there's a certain person I won't
Speaker 1: name his name who wanted him fire, who wanted him out.
Speaker 1: He was like, look, everybody, got a seat here at
Speaker 1: doctor King's office. We don't need you. And he came
Speaker 1: back with a grant. This granted talked about to do
Speaker 1: nonprofit education. I'm sorry, non violent teaching re tied to
Speaker 1: Civil Rice movement. And it was about sixty thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: right the grant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fifty thousand. Well, and then they gave us another
Speaker 2: twenty five and another twenty five. They were giving it
Speaker 2: to us as fast as we were spending it.
Speaker 1: And that was a lot of money. Back then. The
Speaker 1: whole budget with Doctor King's movement, by the way, was
Speaker 1: no more than six hundred thousand dollars in the joy
Speaker 1: of the year, and no more for the biggest budget
Speaker 1: ever changed the world without doing there, without firing a
Speaker 1: shot for the cost of a division or a department
Speaker 1: in most major corporations for one year. Anyway, The point
Speaker 1: of the story is they've tried to fire him the
Speaker 1: first time. He comes back with this grant, and they
Speaker 1: couldn't fire him. And Doctor King was like, you got
Speaker 1: some money, would you? And you also, you're a good person.
Speaker 1: Here go sit right over there.
Speaker 2: Well, it was really I operated under the radar. Nobody
Speaker 2: knew I had the money except doctor King and doctor
Speaker 2: may Is, the president of Morehouse. And I was really
Speaker 2: writing checks on the church yep to rent a bus,
Speaker 2: for instance, the sponsor of the grant, to rent a bus,
Speaker 2: and we'd rent a Greyhound bus and we'd start in
Speaker 2: Louisiana and we'd come back to Charleston or or Dorchester
Speaker 2: Suner and we'd take a busloader and keep them from
Speaker 2: Sunday to Saturday. And when you brought the brilliant leaders
Speaker 2: from all across the South together in one place and
Speaker 2: let them interact with each other, you didn't have to teach,
Speaker 2: you didn't have to do anything. In fact, as soon
Speaker 2: as they started, the people from Albany, they had one
Speaker 2: set of freedom songs. Mss Haima from Mississippi had another
Speaker 2: set of freedom songs, and everybody started singing and their
Speaker 2: freedom songs. Well, that was an education right there. You
Speaker 2: had really united at the South. Now we didn't know
Speaker 2: we were doing it, but this is the way the
Speaker 2: Lord works, even with money and with people, poor people
Speaker 2: and black people especially.
Speaker 1: And here's another way that Lord works, because the Lord
Speaker 1: works through people. So again, once again i'm talking about
Speaker 1: Himastor Young, he's talking about everybody else. By the way,
Speaker 1: while we're watching this, I want you to do something.
Speaker 1: Don't do it if you're driving, but you're sitting around
Speaker 1: with your family. It's Google search doctor Martin la King Jr.
Speaker 1: And Andrew Young, or just doctor Martin the King Jr.
Speaker 1: You'll see in most of the photos Andrew Young is
Speaker 1: next to him, never looking at the camera, looking up,
Speaker 1: looking sideways, looking down, he's looking for a threat, trying
Speaker 1: to help his friend. He's never trying to get attention.
Speaker 1: What is he doing now? Not trying to give attention
Speaker 1: to himself? Talk about everybody else. Here's a message. We're
Speaker 1: talking about money. I said, don't focus on the money,
Speaker 1: boks on the mindset. So the mindset of this conversation
Speaker 1: is doctor King loved him because he was the once
Speaker 1: he had his own money. Now, this is what they
Speaker 1: didn't think about this that way back then. It's just
Speaker 1: the reality. Once he had his own money, Andrew Young
Speaker 1: to be a free thinker because you couldn't fire him.
Speaker 1: If doctor King's all giving speeches in the in the
Speaker 1: in the the bully in the office can bully everybody
Speaker 1: around because he can fire him, well, they gonna fall
Speaker 1: in line. Well, the one person who could say whatever
Speaker 1: he wanted to whomever he wanted, whenever he wanted, however
Speaker 1: he wanted without raising his voice, but talk without with
Speaker 1: principal was Andrew Young. Not only because that's the way
Speaker 1: he was built. He's really smart, but he had his
Speaker 1: own budget. So doctor King could come back in the
Speaker 1: office and say, Andy, what do you think he called him? Man?
Speaker 2: Well, of course the other thing is that I sort
Speaker 2: of was raised with the minetro. There's no limit to
Speaker 2: what you can accomplish if you don't mind who gets
Speaker 2: the credit, right, And I heard that from my daddy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and like with my grandchildren, and I have to tell
Speaker 2: them right now. They get upset, and I said, don't
Speaker 2: get mad. When you get upset, stop, take three deep
Speaker 2: breaths and say to myself, don't get mad, get smart,
Speaker 2: turn your emotions off, and let your mind work.
Speaker 1: So let's give another mindset lesson. Because if you're got
Speaker 1: a successful career and you're in your corporate office or
Speaker 1: your business officer, you're working for your employer and he
Speaker 1: pisses you off, or she upsets you and you pop
Speaker 1: off at the mouth, or worse you, they upset you
Speaker 1: and you touch them, your your career is done. You're done,
Speaker 1: you've won the battle, you've lost the ward. Never be emotional.
Speaker 1: So what did your dad? What was that that? There's
Speaker 1: a mindset lesson? You're on wealth building your You were
Speaker 1: getting upset about something and your dad hits you.
Speaker 2: Slapt you. He just slapped me, he said, Remember.
Speaker 1: Was it was it a fake boxing thing or was
Speaker 1: it a thing.
Speaker 2: He'd always say, if you lose your temper in a fight,
Speaker 2: you're gonna lose the fight. And he I'm older than that.
Speaker 2: But the best illustration was Muhammad Ali and Sonny listen, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because my father said, I said, Daddy, I don't know
Speaker 2: whether Muhammad can beat him. He said, yeah, you'll probably
Speaker 2: not hime out in the first couple of rounds. I said,
Speaker 2: it's big and bad as Sonny listened, and he said, yeah,
Speaker 2: but Senator listening is angry and Muhammad Ali is using
Speaker 2: his mind. Don't get mad, get smart, he said, Sonny listens,
Speaker 2: want to running later and do something stupid? Yes, when
Speaker 2: Muhammad Al Yeah, and he's gone.
Speaker 1: Right right, and then then in this step away because
Speaker 1: then and wait for the next moment, Bapa Papa can.
Speaker 1: By the way, every great athlete that you admire, Michael Jordan,
Speaker 1: Maggie Johnson, whoever the athlete is you admire, my friend
Speaker 1: Reggie Jackson, who will be interviewing on this podcast soon,
Speaker 1: all thinkers, Yeah, they're great athletes, but it's not just uh,
Speaker 1: it's not just athletic abilities will make you one of
Speaker 1: the best in the world. We're staying there. Who's a
Speaker 1: differend of his was a good friend of ours here
Speaker 1: and your friend.
Speaker 2: But my grandson, who was at the time about ten
Speaker 2: years old, noticed that he was holding his bat in
Speaker 2: a statue different from anybody, and he said, Grandpa, can
Speaker 2: I go see him was there? And I want to
Speaker 2: ask him why he holds his bat that way. And
Speaker 2: he spent a half hour talking with a ten year
Speaker 2: old about why he held the bat situation. And there
Speaker 2: were little things that he passed on to it that
Speaker 2: when he got through with the Sunday paper, he didn't
Speaker 2: just throw it away. He squashed it up one sheet
Speaker 2: at a time. Because when you take a Sunday paper
Speaker 2: and he squeeze one sheet at a time, you get
Speaker 2: one of the best exercises you can for your wrists
Speaker 2: and you and your four awe. And they were all
Speaker 2: kind of course with Hank Aaron, his started as a
Speaker 2: kid six years old. He had to chop the wood
Speaker 2: for his mama to cut the breakfast. So that for
Speaker 2: all of these are reasons why, yeah, he became a
Speaker 2: great hit.
Speaker 1: And and Hank Aaron never lost his school, by the way,
Speaker 1: and Bassie Young does not leave lose his school. And
Speaker 1: he's taught me to step over mess and on in it.
Speaker 1: I remember one day we were he's a good line.
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't teach you that what's made that up? Yourself?
Speaker 2: Step over mess and that.
Speaker 1: In it, yes, yes, don't win the battle and lose
Speaker 1: the war. So we were in Washington, d C. President
Speaker 1: Bush was the son was the president, and he had
Speaker 1: promised me that he was going to make financial literacy
Speaker 1: the policy of the US federal government. And several months
Speaker 1: had passed by since he had made the promise. I
Speaker 1: was in the cabinet room with all the members of
Speaker 1: the cabinet. I thought, because of the president, like a
Speaker 1: king in England or something that happens instantly, that's not
Speaker 1: the way it happens as a process. And Basht Young
Speaker 1: was in town, as he always was in Washington, doing
Speaker 1: some fancy business, and I went to go see him
Speaker 1: at his hotel and it was the only time he's
Speaker 1: ever gotten upset with me. And Bashil Young said, well,
Speaker 1: so how things going. Ah, All these people aren't serious.
Speaker 1: This is I'm not sure this is gonna work out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm tired of this and he's and he said,
Speaker 1: stop it, John, He said, look, be skeptical, but don't
Speaker 1: be cynical, because if you're cynical, you've lost hope. And
Speaker 1: he said, this is not about me, it's about we.
Speaker 1: This is not about you, it's about us. So your
Speaker 1: job is to assume that man, the president is a
Speaker 1: good man with bad counsel. You go in there and
Speaker 1: give that man good counsel and wait for the political
Speaker 1: opportunity to make him look good. Remember that he's like,
Speaker 1: get it, get out of my get out of my rooms.
Speaker 1: I go to sleep, And that changed my own mindset.
Speaker 1: Don't be cynical, be skeptical. Don't be cynical. Even the
Speaker 1: Lord wants you to be skeptical. We can question them
Speaker 1: all you want, but don't be cynical. Right and because
Speaker 1: that's lost hope and the most dangerous personal world is
Speaker 1: personal no hope, and you don't want to make a
Speaker 1: decisions emotionally. Bastally. On is one of the most cool headed,
Speaker 1: sometimes to me, sometimes for me, too cool headed, because
Speaker 1: I think people take advantage of them. He don't care
Speaker 1: people are you know, take it you know anyway. I
Speaker 1: think a lot more could get done if he helped
Speaker 1: people to be accountable. But it's not his style, and
Speaker 1: his style has worked, as he reminds me of the time,
Speaker 1: work pretty well for him in his world. In his life,
Speaker 1: he is known all over this world. Being one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty countries, has played a part of history in
Speaker 1: dozens of countries. Zimbabwe, Cuba, the Panama Canal. All this stuff,
Speaker 1: some of which we had to read about, some of
Speaker 1: which we'd have to tell you about in any case.
Speaker 1: And by the way, go watch go read the book.
Speaker 1: What's my favorite book, the black one with the red lettering?
Speaker 1: Your book? You wrote an Easy Burden. Yeah, read and
Speaker 1: re read an Easy Burden. It's a great book. Now
Speaker 1: let's go back to lessons. It's all about mindset, mindset,
Speaker 1: sharpening your mindset. So I'm just gonna we don't have
Speaker 1: time in the our podcast to go through his whole history.
Speaker 1: This could be literally a podcast series once a day
Speaker 1: for five years. You wouldn't get tough all of Andrew
Speaker 1: Young's stories and his lessons, but a couple of them.
Speaker 1: So he just gave you one about his father. Uh
Speaker 1: So that means you got to you love your son,
Speaker 1: but also hold them accountable, holding the highest standards. Love
Speaker 1: and discipline, love and responsibility, love and accountability. I really
Speaker 1: respect me to learn to like me than like me.
Speaker 1: Never respect me like emotions that could, but high standards, discipline,
Speaker 1: uh and high spiritations are even better form of love.
Speaker 1: With a young black man. He's in South he's with
Speaker 1: doctor King. Now he's a doctor King is now as
Speaker 1: now identify him as a freethinker who will give him
Speaker 1: whill tell the truth? Doctor King, by the way, he
Speaker 1: didn't like conflict. The one time Doctor King got upset
Speaker 1: with you that this is not the lesson, but it's
Speaker 1: just a funny antidote. It's only one time that doctor
Speaker 1: King got upset with you. What was at that time, I.
Speaker 2: Don't want to say what it was, but who Everybody
Speaker 2: wanted to go to Mississippi because James Meredith had gotten
Speaker 2: shot and we were also in We were working in Cleveland,
Speaker 2: and we were working in Chicago, and we were working
Speaker 2: in the state of Georgia and Alabama, and we only
Speaker 2: had thirty people on the stairs.
Speaker 1: Wow, and I have four hundred.
Speaker 2: Everybody got nervous and upset about James Meredith getting shot,
Speaker 2: and they wanted to stop everything and go ten to Meredith. Well,
Speaker 2: I was disgusted and said, okay, let's go.
Speaker 1: He didn't say let's go. He says, you know what,
Speaker 1: you get the point.
Speaker 2: And doctor King said, just a minute. I got to
Speaker 2: run to the bathroom. And then he said, and he
Speaker 2: meet me in my office and I said, uh, okay.
Speaker 2: So when I get into office, he said, what in
Speaker 2: the world are you doing? He said, don't you know
Speaker 2: we got four movements going and you want to you
Speaker 2: just let the whole staff run to Mississippi because they
Speaker 2: got emotionally upset about James Merritt. Now it turned out
Speaker 2: James Mrida didn't get killed, and he was out there
Speaker 2: walking by himself. He had not consulted with anybody about anything,
Speaker 2: and it was it was I'm miscalculated, I thought, egotistical
Speaker 2: move and he did too well. When I said let's go,
Speaker 2: he said, Now you got me running all the way
Speaker 2: over to me Mississippi week that stuff to do in
Speaker 2: Chicago and Cleveland, uh, and still in Birmingham, and have
Speaker 2: me even started good Atlanta?
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And he said, I don't need you. If you're going
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: A week need punk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, he didn't. He didn't say that. He said,
Speaker 2: if you're going to go along with everybody, then I
Speaker 2: don't need you. He said, I need somebody to tell
Speaker 2: the whatever is the bad news, Let's focus on what
Speaker 2: are the difficult? Is it a problem? That's what I need.
Speaker 2: I don't need everybody to agree. I need somebody to
Speaker 2: disagree and have a reasonable disagreement. Then I can make
Speaker 2: the decision as to where we come down between left
Speaker 2: and right.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. So he really was? He really was?
Speaker 2: They he said, he said, they call you anum with Tom.
Speaker 2: That's what I need. He said. Uncle Tom was a
Speaker 2: reasonable man. He may not have had courage, but he
Speaker 2: had reason and before he had a movement, a black
Speaker 2: man better be using his head to reason his way
Speaker 2: through his problems.
Speaker 1: And for anybody in here you want a quick history lesson,
Speaker 1: go research who Uncle Tom actually was. This is a
Speaker 1: great example of somebody turning your legacy upside down and
Speaker 1: lying to you. Uncle Tom was a bad dude, that was.
Speaker 1: That was a real name, obviously. But the guy who
Speaker 1: call Uncle Tom was was actually a slave who freed
Speaker 1: himself and created an underground rail, an underground passageway to Canada,
Speaker 1: and took a bunch of former slaves to freedom in
Speaker 1: Canada and created a school on real Estates a bad boy.
Speaker 1: Then they turned it into this this caricature some folks did,
Speaker 1: I want to say who they were racist and made
Speaker 1: it into this character that supposedly other time was a
Speaker 1: negative thing. That brother was bad, bad, bad, bad, Now smart,
Speaker 1: really smart. And some folks will say, what, Andy, you
Speaker 1: weren't arrested in the movie, by the way, Not true.
Speaker 1: He was also beat up in Florida, so in Saint
Speaker 1: Augustine with an inch of his life. But that's not true.
Speaker 1: It's not the point. They said, Oh Andy, you knew
Speaker 1: what the rest. Doctor King didn't want him arrested. Please
Speaker 1: get this part of the memo. That was the one
Speaker 1: guy he did not want arrested because he was a
Speaker 1: thinker and he did what I just told. So doctor
Speaker 1: King would go go ahead, because.
Speaker 2: Everybody's going to jail. Who's going to run stuff out?
Speaker 2: You know, who's going to run things outside of jail? Yes,
Speaker 2: you never could get everybody in jail, and you had
Speaker 2: to keep the movement going, and Doctor King couldn't be
Speaker 2: out keeping it going. Yeah, so I'd have to run
Speaker 2: to the jail every day, sometimes two or three times
Speaker 2: a day, and that wasn't easy. But well it was
Speaker 2: easy for me because I had learned to deal with
Speaker 2: the crazy policeman. And you know the same thing my
Speaker 2: daddy said, don't get mad, get you Mark. And in
Speaker 2: one of the things he said, if the police I'm
Speaker 2: a little boy in New Orleans ten twelve years old,
Speaker 2: he said, if a policeman stops you call him by name,
Speaker 2: look at his name tag, and don't say officer policeman,
Speaker 2: say officer Brown, officer, Jones, officer this, or if his sergeant,
Speaker 2: make his sergeant and call him by his name and
Speaker 2: give him the respect of a title, and you'll be surprised.
Speaker 2: That makes it easier for him to give you respect
Speaker 2: because you have given, you have extended him the respect
Speaker 2: of his title and his and recognize really his experience
Speaker 2: in his leadership.
Speaker 1: And this played out literally when doctor King was in
Speaker 1: jail a couple of times you couldn't get in, No
Speaker 1: one could get in to see him. That the racist
Speaker 1: police officers were well being racist, and you sweet talked
Speaker 1: your way in without giving up your own dignity. The
Speaker 1: one time I remember was tied to the letter from
Speaker 1: a Birmingham jail. I believe, no, no.
Speaker 2: This was in Albany in Albany. In Albany, it well
Speaker 2: one when I went to see him one he would
Speaker 2: let me go to jail with him. He said, no,
Speaker 2: you have to stay out, and you have to come
Speaker 2: in and see me at least twice a day. And
Speaker 2: I said, when I went in, the sergeant said, part
Speaker 2: keeping alive, by the way, a little nuggery here. It
Speaker 2: was sitting big niggas about. Then what do I do?
Speaker 1: By the way, that's a direct quote. And so.
Speaker 2: I went back and I told doctor King what he said.
Speaker 2: He said, Look, I don't care what he called you.
Speaker 2: You got to get in here twice a day. So
Speaker 2: when I went out, I remember what my data said,
Speaker 2: and I said, thank you very much. Sergeant Hamilton test
Speaker 2: I saw his name day and the next day I
Speaker 2: walked in and I greeted him, How you doing today,
Speaker 2: Sergeant Hamilton? And then I changed the subject all agother.
Speaker 2: I said, you know, as big as you are, you
Speaker 2: had to play football somewhere. Well, if it's one thing
Speaker 2: black folk and white folk get along with in the South,
Speaker 2: it's football. And he said, and he's one. He smiled.
Speaker 1: Oh, for the first time, the.
Speaker 2: First time he smiled. He said, yeah, I was a
Speaker 2: tackle down at Valdosta State. Well, Valdosta had the lot.
Speaker 2: They had three hundred pound linemen in their high school
Speaker 2: truck team, when the Green Bay Packers didn't have that
Speaker 2: many people in the front said these are big, burly guys.
Speaker 2: But because of that, I didn't want to rough him
Speaker 2: up and make him angry. So we talked about football,
Speaker 2: and then I said, oh, by the way, is it
Speaker 2: all right? Oh? He said yeah, going back, and when
Speaker 2: I came out about the third time that happened, I
Speaker 2: came out. He said, you know, I hate to ask
Speaker 2: you this, but the sheriff said that he's been listening
Speaker 2: to us talking out here, and he wonders if you
Speaker 2: would find coming to talk to him.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And so I had to go knock on the sheriff's
Speaker 2: door and he invited me in, and he didn't want
Speaker 2: to talk to me about doctor King. He didn't want
Speaker 2: to talk to me about the civil rights movement. He said,
Speaker 2: you know, I need somebody's advice, and I hate to
Speaker 2: take advantage of you. I said, no, what's up? He said,
Speaker 2: you know, I got married and I married a little
Speaker 2: girl who's the Castholic, and she's upset with me because
Speaker 2: of what I'm doing here with the civil rights and
Speaker 2: the civil and uh. And I talked to him. It
Speaker 2: was about a half an hour, and I told him that,
Speaker 2: you know, you may need to listen to her a
Speaker 2: little bit, but I didn't put it all on her.
Speaker 2: I said, you have to understand that everybody in town
Speaker 2: has a position on you, and some of them like
Speaker 2: you and some of them don't like you. But you're
Speaker 2: the sheriff. You've got to represent the law as it
Speaker 2: states right now. Yeah, and it but anyway, you gave
Speaker 2: him a gracious way out. I gave him a faith
Speaker 2: saving way out. Yes, yes, Now, when when all of
Speaker 2: this was old, it wasn't eve bothol, It wasn't six months.
Speaker 2: I got a call from Winston Salem, North Carolina, and
Speaker 2: a friend of mine was saying, Andy that we're trying
Speaker 2: to get a new police chief here. I said, yeah.
Speaker 1: He said, please listen, everybody listen.
Speaker 2: He said the police chief that applied was the same
Speaker 2: sum bitch that we're dealing with you all down in Albany.
Speaker 2: And he said, I said yeah. He and I talked
Speaker 2: a lot, and he said, but he put your name
Speaker 2: down as a reference, so wow, And I said a
Speaker 2: reference for what And he said, we want to integrate
Speaker 2: the police force. No way, and he applied for the job.
Speaker 2: And I said, well, I know this sounds crazy, but.
Speaker 1: Hey man, we want to integrate the police force in
Speaker 1: Winston Salem. But he say, is the white this captain?
Speaker 1: Was this?
Speaker 2: This? This is a black friend of Martin Luther. King's
Speaker 2: calling me, oh, se asking this some bitch puts your
Speaker 2: name down to the reference. What do you but you're
Speaker 2: trying trying to integrate into this And they were trying
Speaker 2: to integrate the police force in Winston Salem. They had
Speaker 2: no black police.
Speaker 1: Right And so this guy applied for the job to
Speaker 1: lead it.
Speaker 2: For the job to be chief and Winston Salem.
Speaker 1: And this guy puts you down at the reference, put
Speaker 1: me down to the reference. Who's now are you now,
Speaker 1: Ambassador Andrew Young?
Speaker 2: At this point no, I was still I was still
Speaker 2: six months later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, go ahead. Sorry, And.
Speaker 2: I said, well, you know, it depends if you're going
Speaker 2: to have a lot of whites officers rebelling against integration.
Speaker 2: I said, he might be a guy with the authority.
Speaker 2: He has a reputation which is not true. But he
Speaker 2: stood up against Martin Luther king, and at least he
Speaker 2: was non violent. And I said, we.
Speaker 1: Actually he called your nigga, didn't beat you like one.
Speaker 2: He didn't call man nigga. Was there was the others,
Speaker 2: the other chiefs, the other story death sergeant right. And
Speaker 2: I said, really, if you give him a chance, make
Speaker 2: sure he wants to desegregate the police force, and if
Speaker 2: he can convince you that he's he's interested in having
Speaker 2: a black and white police force, male and female. I said,
Speaker 2: he's got the credentials to probably pull it all for you.
Speaker 2: This is the nineteen sixties. Yeah, all this was between
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty in about nineteen well, we were sixty two,
Speaker 2: we win allbody. Then after Montgomery this was probably I
Speaker 2: mean after Birmingham, this was probably sixty three or sixty four.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. Did you turn this around so much? This guy
Speaker 1: fuged you as his counselor and someone for whom he
Speaker 1: respected enough to put you down as a reference for
Speaker 1: a job. That's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you this that there is not
Speaker 2: a person in the world I don't believe I have
Speaker 2: brought into that isn't anxious to talk with somebody different
Speaker 2: quietly and secretly because everybody's got problems about somebody else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not everybody for someone that can carry yourself.
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go.
Speaker 2: Well, a reporter, reporter for well, he was the editor
Speaker 2: of the New York Times, wrote a story and.
Speaker 1: Weekly it's Times weekly. Yeah, yeah, that New York Times Weekly.
Speaker 2: That where he he talked about the sixteen year old
Speaker 2: black woman who educated him all race wow. When he
Speaker 2: was between she was his babysitter between six to ten,
Speaker 2: and she taught him about the race problem. Yes, and
Speaker 2: now he's the editor of the New York Times. While
Speaker 2: saying and wrote a beautiful article about how this young
Speaker 2: black woman was the one who made him sensitive to
Speaker 2: all of the racism that was coming into him from
Speaker 2: his school and his church and everywhere else.
Speaker 1: So BASHT. Young gives me credit for this quote I'm
Speaker 1: about to use, which I lifted from nineteen forties on
Speaker 1: a book by C. S. Lewis Mere Christianity. But talk
Speaker 1: without being offensive, listen without being defensive, and always leave
Speaker 1: even your adversary with their digging. Because if you don't
Speaker 1: talk without being offensive, listen without being defensive, and always
Speaker 1: leave even your adversary with their dignity, otherwise they will
Speaker 1: spend the rest of their life working to make you miserable.
Speaker 1: It becomes personal. And what you just heard there was
Speaker 1: a lesson in leadership and effectiveness. Because doctor King, I
Speaker 1: mean invest you. The doctor King would say that these
Speaker 1: radicals who are on the staff of their celc Negroes,
Speaker 1: what's wrong with you? Don't you know we don't have
Speaker 1: an army. They have an army. We have thirty sixty
Speaker 1: seventy people with no money in the bank, and they
Speaker 1: got the entire budget of the largest government in the world,
Speaker 1: the largest military in the world. What do you think
Speaker 1: you're gonna do emotionally? Gonna slap you use You're gonna
Speaker 1: slap them. They gonna shoot you. You're gonna shoot you.
Speaker 1: They're gonna blow them. They're gonna shoot them. They're gonna
Speaker 1: blow you up. Like this does not end well for us.
Speaker 1: We've got to be smarter. We gotta use out on
Speaker 1: our hands, but use think from the shoulders up, not
Speaker 1: the shoulders down. And you need win win, not win lose.
Speaker 1: It is one of the problems of today's so called
Speaker 1: civil rights leaders, some of them is they want somebody
Speaker 1: to lose, and they want to win it that that
Speaker 1: that's not gonna end. Well you you everybody has to
Speaker 1: have a sense of dignity and a gracious way out,
Speaker 1: even if they have a wrong business plan. And what
Speaker 1: you just heard was one of just but one of
Speaker 1: the the lesser known examples of that. And I want
Speaker 1: to make sure that before we got out of time
Speaker 1: we get to several examples, because we get again, this
Speaker 1: could be a whole series on Andrew Young lessons, and
Speaker 1: maybe we should do that on leadership. But uh, there
Speaker 1: was that example. Then this for no particular reason, I
Speaker 1: know when doctor King was in that was in that prison.
Speaker 1: Uh he was in jail over with all the pastors
Speaker 1: talking bad about him. Uh. He stept over mess not
Speaker 1: in it. And he wrote on the on the edges
Speaker 1: of toilet tissue and the newspaper. Is that right? And
Speaker 1: and smuggled it out through you, Uh, the the notes
Speaker 1: on toilet tissue and on the edges of the newspaper, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, the staff balled up and threw away.
Speaker 1: Can you believe this, this historic stand not him but
Speaker 1: with the staff throw it away. Anyway, he smuggled it
Speaker 1: out through Andrew Young. And that if you want to
Speaker 1: read something great. Everybody read letter from Birmingham Jail where
Speaker 1: doctor King steps over miss and not in it and
Speaker 1: leaves the pastors criticizing him a gracious way out of
Speaker 1: their own I think incompetence.
Speaker 2: But after that letter from the Birmingham Jail he really
Speaker 2: had laid out. In the first place, the people in
Speaker 2: Birmingham had written their own Birmingham Manifesto and it was
Speaker 2: very simple language. But they wanted to vote. They wanted
Speaker 2: to be able to go to the to the city
Speaker 2: Hall without being discourteously treated by the police. They wanted
Speaker 2: you know, they wanted to be good citizens right. And
Speaker 2: the church leaders, white church leaders then wrote a letter
Speaker 2: condemning Martin Luther King, saying that they wanted to do
Speaker 2: all of this, but he would let him because he
Speaker 2: has stirred up all of this trouble. Well, the end
Speaker 2: result was that his letter actually gave them a faith
Speaker 2: saving way out. And when we started the negotiations we
Speaker 2: had three documents to deal with. One was written by
Speaker 2: the people on the streets and the preachers and the
Speaker 2: ordinary folk. Other was written by the white preachers which
Speaker 2: stated their position, and the third one was the letter
Speaker 2: from a Birmingham Jail, in which Martin Luther King basically
Speaker 2: took over the whole argument and gave everybody a faith
Speaker 2: saving way out.
Speaker 1: Wow. So the guy they're trying to hold down lifted
Speaker 1: everybody else up.
Speaker 2: But that's that was in March of nineteen sixty three. Okay,
Speaker 2: one year later, in sixty four, the Congress to all
Speaker 2: of this debate and dialogue and produced the nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: four Civil Rights Act, which you segregated the whole South.
Speaker 1: Now, by the way, lesson here all these you were,
Speaker 1: you know, slamming on desks and marching and screaming and
Speaker 1: setting fire to this and setting fire to that, and
Speaker 1: black power. By the way, Malcolm X really wanted to
Speaker 1: hang There's a big picture of this photo Malcolm X
Speaker 1: in my office right here. I much respect to him.
Speaker 1: But Malcolm X really wanted to hang out with doctor King.
Speaker 1: That's the true story behind. After all the rhetoric, he
Speaker 1: was trying to get through doctor King, through Andrew Young,
Speaker 1: and there was one faithful meeting when they ran across
Speaker 1: each other. Congress anyway, that's maybe another video for another time,
Speaker 1: but I want you to know that that of all
Speaker 1: that hooping and the Holler. The one group that actually
Speaker 1: got results for civil rights bills. One, Doctor King was
Speaker 1: passed away, the Open Housing Act, but the three civil
Speaker 1: rights bills, well, Doctor King was alive. I'm sorry. The
Speaker 1: three civil rights bills that I got that passed was
Speaker 1: the Doctor King. Andrew Young strategy and John Lewis strategy.
Speaker 1: Give him credit, of course, because he was with He
Speaker 1: was with Snick, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: John Lewis. By the time, John Lewis was always he
Speaker 2: was very much like Martin Luther King. He was elected
Speaker 2: by Snick, but he didn't see himself as representing the
Speaker 2: Student on Violent Coordinating Committee. He saw himself as representing
Speaker 2: the best of the movement had at all of yes,
Speaker 2: and so he was always calling on them to be
Speaker 2: a little more courageous, yes, a little more reasonable, right,
Speaker 2: a little bit more high minded.
Speaker 1: Look, you guys got to tell me whether you want
Speaker 1: us to continue this and do this another time. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'll talk him into coming back again. Maybe would do
Speaker 1: Andrew Young leadership? Listen, none yet yet? Have I done yet?
Speaker 1: Before we wrapped today's segment up, we got covered two things.
Speaker 1: Just putting on the records. We don't need he don't
Speaker 1: lead this into another direction.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about his role in the in
Speaker 1: free enterprisees, role in the civil rights movement itself. It's
Speaker 1: a little known, almost a completely unknown story that he
Speaker 1: won't The only way he's gonna let me even talk
Speaker 1: about him and give him a credit is to bring
Speaker 1: in the facts that he cannot change, because it is
Speaker 1: the facts about the role of free enterprise played in
Speaker 1: the successes of the Civil rights movement, little known facts.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the government that integrated the South, it was
Speaker 1: the private sector, and so we didn't get into that.
Speaker 1: And number two hided all that morph until the only
Speaker 1: mayor mentored by doctor Martin Luther King Junior in the
Speaker 1: history of America, which is Andrew Young and bachelor Andrew Young.
Speaker 1: Uh and and what did that manifest into? Like, what
Speaker 1: did that experiment turn into? Well, of course we're in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Just came off Andrew Young International Boulevard, and we know
Speaker 1: that Atlanta is the most successful, i'll say it, black
Speaker 1: city in the world, black lead city, black and spire city.
Speaker 1: We we we invite everybody here. By the way, the
Speaker 1: color is green. But I want to get to those
Speaker 1: two things before we before we finished.
Speaker 2: Let me let me start with the one thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, but hold on seeah have high sepes steam roun Andrew. You,
Speaker 1: I do want to mention that no limit to what
Speaker 1: you can accomplish when you don't talk.
Speaker 2: No, if you don't mind, who gets the creditor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you said that all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, except that you talked about me doing all this
Speaker 2: in Atlanta. But we've had nine black mayors. Well I know,
Speaker 2: I know, uh and.
Speaker 1: And they're all great and there in their own ways.
Speaker 2: And they're always and it always worked together the Olympics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was you that nobody.
Speaker 2: Everybody.
Speaker 1: Everybody said, oh, even the other mayors. I was Bill
Speaker 1: Campbell today, Andrew Andrea Dickens mayor, and Trew Dickins are
Speaker 1: mayor today, Shirley Frank Franklin, even Manor Jackson, who was
Speaker 1: the who created black wealth. They all would say, God
Speaker 1: filled the God would God.
Speaker 2: I was the oldest.
Speaker 1: No, no, you're you're the only look this man. Because
Speaker 1: he was the UN ambassador. He knew all the he
Speaker 1: knew of getting off script now anyway at a set
Speaker 1: him straight because he just gave you some some some
Speaker 1: messy mess. He was a UN ambassador, the black first
Speaker 1: black one in the world. He knew all these heads
Speaker 1: of states, he knew all the countries. So when they
Speaker 1: trying to win the Olympics Games, it's about relationship capital,
Speaker 1: not just the best proposal. He could call all these
Speaker 1: folks up and he did and get their votes, and
Speaker 1: he needed they needed I think one hundred votes or
Speaker 1: something like that to get the Olympic Games.
Speaker 2: Oh, we needed a majority of eighty five.
Speaker 1: All right, same thing, one hundred votes eighty.
Speaker 2: Five, Yeah, but we got fifty five.
Speaker 1: Right, because he knew everybody.
Speaker 2: Because there were fifty five people that we had relationships
Speaker 2: with through the him, through Ted Turner.
Speaker 1: The Civil Rights movie didn't have no international relationships. That
Speaker 1: was Andrew Young.
Speaker 2: No, but Ted Turner one. Jimmy Carter pulled the out
Speaker 2: of the Olympics. Ted Turner wet against him and took
Speaker 2: them on to Russia for the Good Will Games. So
Speaker 2: Ted Turner, I had sixteen votes in Russia. I had
Speaker 2: nineteen votes in Africa. Right, that's Morman mo.
Speaker 1: So it worked. Now you should also know that when
Speaker 1: Nelson Mandela another again another thing about mindset. Nelson Mandela
Speaker 1: went to President of Prison, an angry black man in
Speaker 1: forty seven, say there twenty seven years and by the
Speaker 1: time he got out, the prison guards were calling it
Speaker 1: Mandela University, calling the prison Nelson Mandela University because they
Speaker 1: learned so much from this man. Think about with that
Speaker 1: that sergeant, that captain, well, the sergeant respected Andrew Young,
Speaker 1: and the captain wanted to meet with Andrew Young and
Speaker 1: then put him down as a reference. Again, you turn.
Speaker 1: You flipped the script, right, You flip the script all
Speaker 1: the time when you're being run out of town, get
Speaker 1: in front of the crowd, made like a parade. Doctor
Speaker 1: King is going in these towns and he basically my
Speaker 1: version of the describing it shutting down the economy. It
Speaker 1: wasn't his intention. He was trying to disrupt injustice in
Speaker 1: a non violent way. They shut down the economy because
Speaker 1: sixty percent of the people in these small towns were black,
Speaker 1: so they got to sit in the back of the bus.
Speaker 1: But the color to get the color of green to
Speaker 1: get on the bus was still green. So there wasn't
Speaker 1: no white people to sustain the economy. So when you
Speaker 1: shut down the economy for six weeks, the whole place
Speaker 1: is in pain.
Speaker 2: But this was a year three and eighty two days
Speaker 2: that they did not buy anything but food or medicine.
Speaker 1: Which one is this?
Speaker 2: That was a Montgomery and An association in nineteen fifty five,
Speaker 2: that was before you, that was before me. But the
Speaker 2: thing is that too was God's accident. The spirit and
Speaker 2: moving through Rosa Parks just never legend anything this week
Speaker 2: and it was just and there were people who had
Speaker 2: had done that before she did, but they didn't.
Speaker 1: He's giving credit again by the way, this is he
Speaker 1: can't help it.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I want people to know that this that
Speaker 2: freedom is a team sport.
Speaker 1: Yes, whoa dropped the mic.
Speaker 2: Thee freedom is a team sport.
Speaker 1: Well, that's beautiful. That freedom fighting is a team sport.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but even get fighting for freedom and.
Speaker 1: He can't can't have a momentary freedom high You gotta
Speaker 1: do it consistently, can't being doing it for a moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for instance, looking at it now right now, we
Speaker 2: we kind of messed up and got two or three
Speaker 2: Republican presidents in there, and we've lost the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: So the sixty four Civil Rights Acts and the sixty
Speaker 2: five Civil Rights Act have been modified by that court.
Speaker 2: That was modified by Republicans. Now let me go back
Speaker 2: and say Republicans created the first court that gave us
Speaker 2: the civil rights.
Speaker 1: Well, Republicans were the ones who actually kind of Republicans
Speaker 1: were the ones who Abraham Lincoln, I mean it was
Speaker 1: against slave reading the Civil War and man eisenhowerteen sixty right,
Speaker 1: oh really, no, nineteen fifty four, that was an Eisenhower
Speaker 1: appointed court. When you say, and now I was a Republican,
Speaker 1: I didn't know how I was a Republican, but every
Speaker 1: kind of Republican, well, he was the kind of Republican
Speaker 1: that came from Abraham Lincoln. Right, But then that flipped
Speaker 1: all that. Whether he had Dixiecrats, who were were also
Speaker 1: not great, not really great what you call democrats they were,
Speaker 1: they were the problem. These guys flipped the political agenda. Also,
Speaker 1: you know, blacks became supportive of blacks, supportive Republicans because
Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln gave a freedom. Blacks supported Democrats because because
Speaker 1: because Democrats gave him civil rights and social justice through
Speaker 1: this is like, this is like one of the founders
Speaker 1: of America. This is like one of the the framers
Speaker 1: of the Constitution. Because like George Washington's in here, by
Speaker 1: the way that and we're going to get to these
Speaker 1: last two points, but that.
Speaker 2: John Kennedy got elected because he picked up the phone
Speaker 2: and call whole corrella. Yes, Martin was in jail, and
Speaker 2: Daddy King said, I never an a preacher to pick
Speaker 2: up the phone and call a colored woman whose husband
Speaker 2: was in jail.
Speaker 1: A preacher or president. You said, you never know a preacher.
Speaker 2: He met a president, well, a president, but he said
Speaker 2: that he called the preacher, Okay, I said, to see
Speaker 2: about somebody in jail, and he said, I think I'm
Speaker 2: gonna throw all of my votes for this castolic boy.
Speaker 2: And that was the week or so before the election,
Speaker 2: and that supposedly swung the vote to Kennedy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that that the president kennidate, candidate Kennedy
Speaker 1: had called Coreta she suggest his support. Right. So look,
Speaker 1: so now Andrew Young's in the movement you've already talked to,
Speaker 1: you are talked about. He was a free thinker and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, and and he was there.
Speaker 1: He was a consctly eddy inside of the staff, the
Speaker 1: negotiated the He's always been the ambassador, he's always been
Speaker 1: the bridge builder. He's always been the guy who's talking
Speaker 1: to the person nobody can talk to and finding common ground.
Speaker 1: That's always been his deal. Okay, he's graciously kind, unlike me,
Speaker 1: and so now he's in the movement. Doctor King has
Speaker 1: shut down once again the economy in another city, and
Speaker 1: Doctor King says to Andy, he calls him Andy, I
Speaker 1: call him Ambassador Young, even though he's my play father,
Speaker 1: my servant, my personal hero, my friend. Loved this dude,
Speaker 1: you know, really raised me my adult life. But I
Speaker 1: call him ambassador Andrew Young out of respect. Now, doctor
Speaker 1: King says to Andy, his friend Andy, I need to
Speaker 1: take those overalls off and put a business foodo or
Speaker 1: shooting suit and tie and go meet with those business
Speaker 1: leaders behind closed doors when nobody knows is there, and
Speaker 1: cut a deal to take the whites only signs down, Andy.
Speaker 1: And it was one hundred business leaders in those times
Speaker 1: and on that well, it.
Speaker 2: Ended up being one hundred. But to start out with ten, okay,
Speaker 2: and it was five or six black preaches, but Martin
Speaker 2: Luther King and there were about ten white ministers and
Speaker 2: business people that came together to sit down to negotiate
Speaker 2: and into the black and white signs over lunch counter,
Speaker 2: for instance, over the water fountain. They negotiated on a
Speaker 2: time schedule, say in the next one of those little
Speaker 2: things too, that the little things on a big ski scale.
Speaker 2: But in every one of these department stores there were
Speaker 2: black women who were maids, and the black women couldn't
Speaker 2: sell things. And they bring in these white college students
Speaker 2: and they let them sell goods and get a commission.
Speaker 2: But the black women had to wear smocks and they
Speaker 2: had to go get them when somebody sent them to them.
Speaker 2: And but every one of these business people knew that
Speaker 2: they could not run their stores with all these black women. Wow.
Speaker 2: And that the kids they brought in from Alabama and
Speaker 2: Birmingham and Auburn nice salespeople. But they didn't last long.
Speaker 2: And when they realized that they couldn't work, they couldn't
Speaker 2: run a store without the black folk hm. And they
Speaker 2: agreed to let the black folk put on dresses and
Speaker 2: sell and get a commission.
Speaker 1: So what you just heard, now, everybody, is real talk.
Speaker 1: That's like, this is like, this is real talking. Further
Speaker 1: Action's integration, it's economic integration. This is this is real
Speaker 1: DEI diversity, equal inclusion. This ain't no program, no you know,
Speaker 1: soft soul.
Speaker 2: Unlike the DEEI they said, we were already in it
Speaker 2: doing the work that's right, and that we'll just recognize
Speaker 2: it was recognized, which is what, which is why I'm
Speaker 2: pushing for economic and inclusive economics, which is recognizing that
Speaker 2: we live said that capitalism could not exist without black
Speaker 2: and brown people.
Speaker 1: Without question, without question, there's not enough successful, college educated
Speaker 1: white men the drive GDP gross domestic product for the
Speaker 1: next thirty years. And that's not a racial comment, it's
Speaker 1: just mathematically impossible. The free enterprise system meets all of
Speaker 1: God's children God, as you tell me a great Andrew
Speaker 1: Young quote, coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. And
Speaker 1: isn't it ironic that at this moment in time that,
Speaker 1: for the first time in history, the biggest economy in
Speaker 1: the world and the soul superpower cannot continue to succeed
Speaker 1: for thirty or forty more years and be the light
Speaker 1: on the heel without teaching financial literacy to black and
Speaker 1: brown children at the bottom of the pyramid and women
Speaker 1: and poor whites by the way, and letting them come
Speaker 1: up the ladder and join the middle class. And some
Speaker 1: of them joined the wealthy class like I have. And
Speaker 1: to be a new symbol for hope and opportunity in
Speaker 1: the world. Does the country literally mathematically cannot exist unless
Speaker 1: the bottom rise to the top, or at least to
Speaker 1: the middle of the next twenty years. Otherwise we'll be
Speaker 1: an also ran country, will be the nation that used
Speaker 1: to run the world. So my rich white friends eat
Speaker 1: my poor black and brown friends, and do better, if
Speaker 1: only to stay rich and white, or at least rich,
Speaker 1: or to use my colle that Rachel dopv loves so much,
Speaker 1: my chiefest staff. If you deal with class, you get
Speaker 1: raised for free. So they were dealing with this. They
Speaker 1: were way ahead of their times. And doctor King would
Speaker 1: set it up and would be publicly recognized rightly so
Speaker 1: and quietly behind closed doors. Andrew Young would help to
Speaker 1: pay it off by clutting these deals.
Speaker 2: Now, what was that If you deal with class.
Speaker 1: You get raised for free. Every now and then I
Speaker 1: say something they likes.
Speaker 2: But now the other way around, if you deal with race,
Speaker 2: you deal with class, you get classes for free.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is all so true, but you got to
Speaker 1: deal with race in a way that is aspirational, not
Speaker 1: just feeling sorry for somebody. It's helping people to fulfill
Speaker 1: their untapped potential. And then it's the problem solves itself.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jews were a problem until they were treated
Speaker 1: like human beings. Italians were a problem until they were
Speaker 1: treated like human beings. Polish would I mean, if you
Speaker 1: go back one hundred years, white folks were discredited against
Speaker 1: when they came to this country and now their mainstream right.
Speaker 1: But back one hundred years ago, Jews had to get
Speaker 1: good jobs at HBCUs because no one else would hire them.
Speaker 1: And that's part, in part why they came to help us,
Speaker 1: help you. In the Civil Rights movie, people don't know
Speaker 1: that half of the whites supporting doctor King and the
Speaker 1: Civil rights when were Jewish. By the way, that was
Speaker 1: a black Jewish coalition which needs to be strengthened again.
Speaker 1: Keep it reminding folks, there is no black Greek coalition,
Speaker 1: there's no black British coalition, and go on and on
Speaker 1: and on. There's only a black Jewish coalition. I tell
Speaker 1: Jews on the other side, there's no Jewish Italian coalition.
Speaker 1: They need less enemies and more friends. We need more
Speaker 1: friends and less enemies and together. Oh my god, you know,
Speaker 1: nobody's perfect, but how powerful that would be? Again?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: So uh two two final comments. So I watched that
Speaker 1: covered one in summary, which was there was it was
Speaker 1: a free enterprise system because they were squeeze economically. That
Speaker 1: actually broke the back of discrimination to the south and
Speaker 1: took the whites only size down because these if you
Speaker 1: think about the lunch counters, the soda shops, the bus
Speaker 1: companies privately owned back then, uh, their their walls were
Speaker 1: hurting and they had they wanted the customers come back,
Speaker 1: whether they came to the back door, front door, side door,
Speaker 1: and want the country. And that was the deal that
Speaker 1: Andrew Young cut. Just wasn't publicized because it was intentionally
Speaker 1: not publicized. So the story has never been told. It
Speaker 1: was a governor and the mayor standing in the front
Speaker 1: in the hallways saying over my dead body. So just
Speaker 1: the opposite of the government being the solution. All right,
Speaker 1: So now you take all these lessons. Let's now in
Speaker 1: now you you were in this room, you left the
Speaker 1: highest regioncy here having the last meeting on the third
Speaker 1: level of the campaign of so doctor King said, I'm
Speaker 1: here to redeem the America from the triple evils of war, racism,
Speaker 1: and poverty. You're now dealing with poverty, more poor whites
Speaker 1: America than poor anybody else, and you want to deal
Speaker 1: with all poverty for all people. You leave Atlanta, you
Speaker 1: go to New York at Harry Belafonte's house, and I'm
Speaker 1: now pivoting to this last movement about economics and how
Speaker 1: that then led you to ultimately become mayor of Atlanta
Speaker 1: and making a difference in the CEO of Atlanta. But
Speaker 1: what can you tell the audience? What only you can say,
Speaker 1: because you're the only person who actually can tell this story.
Speaker 1: You're the only person alive who is witnessing this incredibly
Speaker 1: important conversation with your friend, doctor King.
Speaker 2: The conversation with doctor King and Bellefonte and Dick Hatcher
Speaker 2: and the congressman from Detroit was that you shouldn't have
Speaker 2: to have a demonstration of a thousand people or even
Speaker 2: one hundred people if you want a street light on
Speaker 2: the corner, if you want to improve the schools for
Speaker 2: your children.
Speaker 1: It's what doctor King was saying.
Speaker 2: This is with doctor King, if you want to improve
Speaker 2: the schools for your children, you need to elect people
Speaker 2: to the school board. See and that that we need
Speaker 2: to take the civil rights movement into politics. And because
Speaker 2: politics is who's sitting at the table when the money
Speaker 2: divide it up. And if you're not, if you don't
Speaker 2: have somebody representing you.
Speaker 1: Did you hear that?
Speaker 2: Everybody, when the money divided up, you not gonna get
Speaker 2: your share. It's human nature.
Speaker 1: Politics is what again.
Speaker 2: Who's sitting at the table when the money is divided up?
Speaker 2: That's that's a bar that's the Congress, but that's the
Speaker 2: city council, that's the board of education, that's the mayor, yeah,
Speaker 2: the governor. And they're all elected by your right to vote.
Speaker 2: And that's the reason your right to vote is absolutely.
Speaker 1: And why you should be voting early and often.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, but somebody said, what do you tell somebody
Speaker 2: that said they don't want nothing to do with politics?
Speaker 2: I said, they don't want to be sitting at the table.
Speaker 2: They don't want somebody representing them at the table when
Speaker 2: the money is being divided up. Excuse my expression, but
Speaker 2: that's a dumb motherfucker. Oh my god, that's a barats
Speaker 2: no other way.
Speaker 1: That's French. By the way, that was French issues. Now
Speaker 1: look there you go, and I and I agree with him.
Speaker 1: Look if you if you're not at the table, you're
Speaker 1: on the menu. Do you hear that? And he gave
Speaker 1: his life. Doctor He was on that balcony when Doctor
Speaker 1: King was assassiny. Kind of pitched this guy sometimes like
Speaker 1: it's like living history. He's on the balcony of Doctor
Speaker 1: King's assassiny. You're in the marketing lot, Okay, excuse me,
Speaker 1: he was on site. You would you were downstairs at
Speaker 1: the car because you were. You guys had a pedal
Speaker 1: fight in the in the in the bedroom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then doctor King went upstairs and uh.
Speaker 1: You forgot something in the rum or something.
Speaker 2: No, he went up see they were in the under
Speaker 2: I mean had his undershirt.
Speaker 1: He didn't have on a shirt and die Okay.
Speaker 2: Uh. And he'd been been down that visiting with his brother,
Speaker 2: okay and his little brother, his younger brother, and they
Speaker 2: had ordered a bunch of catfish. They had about ten
Speaker 2: of them, and the big and they were all somebody
Speaker 2: had sent in a you know, a cartload of catfish
Speaker 2: ride catfish. And they were high on each other and
Speaker 2: on the spirit. They weren't drinking any alcohol, but they
Speaker 2: were silly. And I'd never seen him quite that happy
Speaker 2: and and relaxed.
Speaker 1: And it, uh, well, like he gave up the ghost.
Speaker 2: No, it was it was like he was ready to
Speaker 2: well at the time, I was convinced that we were
Speaker 2: trying to get this movement into politics in order to
Speaker 2: have access to the economy. And that's what the court
Speaker 2: case was about, that we could continue the march the
Speaker 2: next day and in Memphis.
Speaker 1: In Memphis, Cobe cam and he never made it to
Speaker 1: walk for the first march. They they got distracted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a whole we'll do this another podcast where they
Speaker 1: actually went to Washington. But that's a whole nother story.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stories here. But anyway, he was
Speaker 1: there when all this stuff went down, and unfortunately, when
Speaker 1: doctor King was assassinated, he was right there and and
Speaker 1: they had to call Karta and the whole thing. And
Speaker 1: he could have given up and woe was me and
Speaker 1: fell sorry for himself. And he had sat there for
Speaker 1: twenty years and wrote books and gain speeches about oh
Speaker 1: woe is me? And doctor King was shot, he immediately
Speaker 1: put those overalls back on and organized, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: if Kreta came and by the way, did the march.
Speaker 1: They went back to Atlanta, Uh it is not in chronology,
Speaker 1: went back to Nana Ranna for the funeral and and
Speaker 1: U see it went through a Clark Atlanta University. I'm
Speaker 1: on the board now, and doctor Andrew Young is in
Speaker 1: those overalls with the uh uh the horse drawn carriage.
Speaker 1: Doctor King's cast it on it and honor poor people.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And they they kept the movement going. They kept the work.
Speaker 1: And then you pivoted pervent meeting with it, har Bellefonte
Speaker 1: and doctor King saying we got to get beyond marchin
Speaker 1: force street light. We need to be at the table.
Speaker 1: And you then went to the table. First congressman elected
Speaker 1: since reconstruction for I wanted.
Speaker 2: To run three campaigns, say, one in Birmingham, one in Atlanta,
Speaker 2: and one in Sabatah. And everybody who was talking about
Speaker 2: running for something until they started getting killed. And then
Speaker 2: everybody said, you know, the families didn't want him to run.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a time and nobody wanted to run. So
Speaker 2: Tara Belafonte said, looks like you running for Congress. I said,
Speaker 2: why me? He said, because nobody else wants to run.
Speaker 2: I said, I don't want to run either. He said, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you promised Martin Luther King. You agreed with Martin
Speaker 2: Luther King that the movement had to move into politics,
Speaker 2: so you're gonna have to be the one to move it.
Speaker 2: I said, well, let's try, which we did. I mean
Speaker 2: Atlanta was not a million people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the greater the greater Atlanta area six million people
Speaker 1: now plus it wasn't a million people in Greater Atlanta.
Speaker 1: And most of Atlanta was uh uh two two lane
Speaker 1: highways or dirt some of them were dirt roads. Uh
Speaker 1: hour I live now was dirt roads. And you actually
Speaker 1: ride his bicycle out there. And probably the problem we
Speaker 1: have here is so successful because the infrastructure needs to
Speaker 1: be upgraded from when from from whin to now.
Speaker 2: But that would be ideal for two billion people in
Speaker 2: the metro there.
Speaker 1: Right, not six million. And the place is exploding because
Speaker 1: his vision. We're gonna do it. Meet and promise you.
Speaker 1: We're at time, and I want to make say a
Speaker 1: couple of things, but we're gonna do I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna guild him into coming back and just talking about
Speaker 1: how to build a city and how to and how
Speaker 1: to build an economy? Uh and how did how and
Speaker 1: what did he do? What did Mater Jackson do? Because
Speaker 1: he likes to hear everybody else credit this, What did
Speaker 1: this person do. What did that person do? But what
Speaker 1: did he do to build Atlanta into the only international
Speaker 1: city in the traditional South. People like arguing with me
Speaker 1: online about what the South. I don't mean Texas, I
Speaker 1: mean that. I don't mean Florida. I mean the traditional South.
Speaker 1: You know exactly what I mean, the civil rights South. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna ask him to come back to have
Speaker 1: that when you come back, please, Well I'm here. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's I can tell Andrew young speak that means yes,
Speaker 1: if you, if you, if you give him a Coca colaon.
Speaker 2: No, I really I realized that. Well, I'm ninety two
Speaker 2: years young, and most of the stuff that we're talking
Speaker 2: about not many people know. And I'm not saying this
Speaker 2: to be critical. There's been a lot of books written,
Speaker 2: but most of the books were written by people who
Speaker 2: were not bad whoa including the books that are under
Speaker 2: some of our names, and so've I've been trying to
Speaker 2: make sure that we have an accurate reference of.
Speaker 1: Just what happened and why what really happened.
Speaker 2: And that's the reason it's important to give everybody the
Speaker 2: little bit of credit that they deserve, because it was
Speaker 2: adding up all of those little bit of credits that
Speaker 2: made for the major social change. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Amen, there's so many stories, there's so many lessons on
Speaker 1: mindset and leadership.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not automatic and it's not simple, but
Speaker 2: then it is. Because the one thing that I have
Speaker 2: about taking credit is I don't believe I knew any
Speaker 2: of this. And most of the things that Martin Luther
Speaker 2: King did it happened to him because of Rosa Parks,
Speaker 2: because of Jimmy Lee Jackson, or because of some because
Speaker 2: most of the things that happened to me happened because
Speaker 2: he gave his life on that balcony and he went
Speaker 2: there knowing I think that he might not leave, and
Speaker 2: everybody tried to tell him, don't go to Memphis, but
Speaker 2: he didn't go to Memphis. He went to Glory.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: And then when doctor King one said, it's not about
Speaker 1: how long you live, it is how well you lived. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the night before he got shot.
Speaker 2: Sixty year since then and he was just thirty nine
Speaker 2: years old. This more than sixty years since nineteen sixty eight,
Speaker 2: and he's still as much alive today as he was
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty eight, in some ways more so more so.
Speaker 1: Just to close us out and we will bring him back.
Speaker 1: We need to talk about a number of things we're
Speaker 1: going to do. I'm going to try and talk him
Speaker 1: into a host series of conversations now to unpack this
Speaker 1: and get it documented. But we're gonna deinely come back
Speaker 1: and talk about the economy of the city. I do
Speaker 1: want you to drop the mic before we close with
Speaker 1: this quote about to live in the system of free enterprise.
Speaker 1: So we'll come back to that. If you live in
Speaker 1: this is them a free enterprise which you have to have.
Speaker 1: But just to close out the history lesson here on
Speaker 1: doctor King and that pivot point in Memphis. The night before,
Speaker 1: he gave a speech at Mason Temple where Operation Hope
Speaker 1: has a Hope inside location by the way full circle
Speaker 1: on civil rights, and he gave a speech there. He
Speaker 1: didn't want to give the speech, didn't plan on giving
Speaker 1: a speech. He was storming outside. He asked somebody else
Speaker 1: to give a speech for him, but the crowd wanted
Speaker 1: to hear him. They wanted to hear doctor King. And
Speaker 1: the call was made back to doctor King at the
Speaker 1: hotel Motel Can you please come? The crowd wants you,
Speaker 1: And he shows up and the crowd is overwhelming. And
Speaker 1: that night he gives a speech which which I think
Speaker 1: was now called the Mountaintops Speech, and it's the only
Speaker 1: time that I'm aware of the doctor King collapsed. And
Speaker 1: he collapsed after the speech into the arms of his aides,
Speaker 1: just completely exhausted and spent. And he said, I may
Speaker 1: not get to the mountaintop with you. I've seen it.
Speaker 1: I may not get that with you. I'm paraphrasing, but
Speaker 1: he was also encouraging and rallying those my.
Speaker 2: People are going to get to the Promised.
Speaker 1: Land that part. And so the next day when they
Speaker 1: were having the pillow fights, he was so light and
Speaker 1: the area it's almost as if he was unburdened and
Speaker 1: he was no longer afraid of what might come. And
Speaker 1: this is a guy who's unafraid. He's been unafraid of
Speaker 1: the day I met. I'm unafraid of whatever comes. He's unbothered, unafraid, unflustered.
Speaker 1: He's completely cool. And I get on him because he
Speaker 1: doesn't take enough credit. He doesn't market himself on his stuff.
Speaker 1: He's a living legend. But part of that is his
Speaker 1: reason he's still hearing such great help in it, because
Speaker 1: he just he doesn't take himself seriously. He takes the
Speaker 1: world seriously, doesn't take himself seriously. It's not about himself
Speaker 1: and he's not focusing on himself. He lives in the spirit.
Speaker 1: I said, Johns, you need a business plan. I've been
Speaker 1: doing just fine living in the spirit. John, So you
Speaker 1: do all that stuff. I'll be I'll be cool. And
Speaker 1: you know it. He's not incorrect. And it's only one
Speaker 1: time in mest young. Sorry, it's twice he cursed me out.
Speaker 1: I've already mentioned it. One time. The other time he
Speaker 1: cursed me out. I was giving speeches. I was right,
Speaker 1: I was reading speeches and he said, God, dang it.
Speaker 1: John didn't say dang put that damn s up down.
Speaker 1: You don't sound like doctor King. You're trying to sound
Speaker 1: like doctor King. You may not know what you're trying
Speaker 1: to sound like doctor King. You ain't doctor King. I
Speaker 1: knew him. You ain't him. You don't sound nothing in life,
Speaker 1: and essentially said, you can't give speeches like doctor King.
Speaker 1: He was a pastor, he's a doctor. Degreed that path
Speaker 1: that pulp, but you can't. It's not your do. Stop
Speaker 1: trying to just read. I'm sorry, just talk, don't read
Speaker 1: I said, well, I may miss something, he said. People
Speaker 1: don't know what they missed. Remember that, Yeah, they won't
Speaker 1: know what they missed. Just speak from your heart. They
Speaker 1: don't remember what you said, what you wrote, what you felt.
Speaker 1: They remember how you made him feel and what you meant.
Speaker 1: They may remember how you made him feel. That was
Speaker 1: a Maya Angelou quote giving credit. And that's what I've
Speaker 1: been doing ever since. I've been doing that ever for
Speaker 1: twenty years. And that's what the most notable thing about
Speaker 1: my speeches these days is the extemporaneous flow. I never
Speaker 1: use notes or whatever. It's just all here and here
Speaker 1: now and people listening. Everybody with you.
Speaker 2: I listen. I think you have some very good ideas.
Speaker 2: In fact, I'm looking forward to hearing let's talk a
Speaker 2: little more about integrating the.
Speaker 1: Money, integrating the money and on that point, which that
Speaker 1: means he's coming back when he just said that, So
Speaker 1: give him that quote that you that you that I
Speaker 1: think it's gangster as hell you gave me this quote
Speaker 1: about I call it financial literacy. You stay have to
Speaker 1: live in a system of free enterprise and not to
Speaker 1: understand the rule I know your quotes better you and
Speaker 1: not to understand the rules of free enterprise must be
Speaker 1: the very definition of slavery. That sounds like something you
Speaker 1: would have said, but you said, I just stolen from him.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing about quotations. The better they are,
Speaker 2: the more people repeat them and share them. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: that's why we remember. Well.
Speaker 1: I hope you you all remember this, and I hope
Speaker 1: you you've been even jogging, you've been cooking, you've been reflecting,
Speaker 1: you've been having a family meeting of family conversations and
Speaker 1: family time. You've been on the road, you've been at
Speaker 1: the house, you've been sitting in bed wherever you are,
Speaker 1: listening to your podcast. I hope this has inspired you
Speaker 1: and lifted you off, and share it with a friend.
Speaker 1: Tell everybody about the Money and Wealth series and this
Speaker 1: episode in particular, because you just got a history lesson that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have the blessing of being around him
Speaker 1: a lot. He tries to avoid you, doesn't work, and
Speaker 1: I don't I can't remember. I can't remember this conversation,
Speaker 1: all this content in one place. This was This was
Speaker 1: truly special, and you were just given this gift. So
Speaker 1: pass on your blessings, as you would say, very good
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