Speaker 1: Media. Words are funny.
Speaker 2: That's how I'm opening this because look, there's sounds that
Speaker 2: we just decided meant stuff to the point of where
Speaker 2: sounds can make you take somebody life. And sometimes the
Speaker 2: same sound can mean different things depending on their spelling
Speaker 2: their context. Give an example, when Black people say barbecue,
Speaker 2: we could be talking about three different things. We could
Speaker 2: be talking about the food Barbecue. We could be talking
Speaker 2: about as in like the style of cooking barbecue, the food.
Speaker 2: We could be talking about the actual act of cooking
Speaker 2: that food. To barbecue. We could be talking about an event.
Speaker 2: We are going to the barbecue. You not invited to
Speaker 2: the barbecue. The what the East call the cookout, we
Speaker 2: call the barbecue out here out west.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's the same with the Latinos, like with Mexicans. They
Speaker 2: say the Canada, they mean one of three things.
Speaker 1: They mean the act of grilling. We are going to
Speaker 1: have it.
Speaker 2: Cadogna saida that is we're gonna have barbecue, We're gonna grill,
Speaker 2: and we are going to eat Cardiaa like they just
Speaker 2: it's the name of the food, it's the act of grilling,
Speaker 2: and it's the event.
Speaker 1: So that's the Mexican version of saying.
Speaker 2: When we be like, oh, you ain't invited to the barbecue,
Speaker 2: they say you're not invited to the cardie asada, Like
Speaker 2: that's what they mean.
Speaker 1: The word is the same.
Speaker 2: It means three different things depending on the context and
Speaker 2: when it's coming out their mouth.
Speaker 1: You could figure out what's happening. Now.
Speaker 2: I say all that to get very serious on to
Speaker 2: talk about the words zion. Oh, it's about to get
Speaker 2: I felt like I heard the record scratch right now,
Speaker 2: because if you've listened to reggae music, if you've heard
Speaker 2: anything made by Bob Marley, you don't heard the word
Speaker 2: zion many times.
Speaker 1: You're a fan of Lauren Hill. What's the name of
Speaker 1: her child? Zion? Now that Joe and mild in Zion.
Speaker 3: Black people love Zion, Moltzion a boy on the side
Speaker 3: of Babylon trying to front like you down with mozoyon
Speaker 3: ou la la la is the way that we rock
Speaker 3: with we doing out think.
Speaker 2: The black hotep Rosta, you know, chow stick. We'd love Zion.
Speaker 2: We're chanting down Babylon. Babylon is will be defeated by
Speaker 2: Mount Zion. Is that the same Zion in Israel and Palestine.
Speaker 1: What y'all mean by that? Then?
Speaker 2: What the hell is a Zionist? So is that somebody
Speaker 2: that believe in Mount Zion?
Speaker 1: Like? What? How? What is Zionism?
Speaker 2: And I'm sure if you listen to this show data ops, right,
Speaker 2: you you convince Zion like those are the ops.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if the thought has ever crossed
Speaker 1: your mind to be like, well, is is the.
Speaker 2: Zionism that y'all talking about the same Zion? And Zion
Speaker 2: is that the rosters.
Speaker 1: Are talking about?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Maybe it's never crossed your mind, but it's the word
Speaker 2: needs to be dissected. So I am using this moment
Speaker 2: to teach you two things. What do the rosters mean
Speaker 2: when they say Zion? And what is Zionism and its history?
Speaker 2: All right to a politics? Okay, listen first before I
Speaker 2: get into it. This week is like this.
Speaker 1: What look is like this? What look is like this?
Speaker 1: It's like this sun? It's like that sun, like I'm pumping.
Speaker 1: Let me take the news serious, all right? This week
Speaker 1: it's like this.
Speaker 2: Well, the Olympics ended, and I'm only excited about breaking.
Speaker 2: I'm sad that it's not gonna be in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: eight and it's not because of ray Gun. They decided
Speaker 2: before her that they weren't gonna do it in LA,
Speaker 2: which sucks. I don't know why they decided that, but
Speaker 2: they decided that way back in twenty twenty. Having said that,
Speaker 2: speaking of ray Gun, I know she's taken over to memes.
Speaker 2: I feel bad for these amazing b boys and be girls,
Speaker 2: specifically Logistics. Sorry, that's a text, specifically Logistics. I not
Speaker 2: murdered them, fools. And while she was in the middle
Speaker 2: of slaying, absolutely slaying ray Gun, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been in a battle? Okay, Now, I'm
Speaker 1: from LA.
Speaker 2: So that double time kind of what you think is
Speaker 2: bone thugs and harmony chopping stuff that originates at a
Speaker 2: place called the Good Life Project blowed this group called
Speaker 2: Freestyle Fellowship, and that is a sound that just kind
Speaker 2: of came from the LA underground.
Speaker 1: My figured rymee look at a time like, I don't
Speaker 1: rap like that.
Speaker 2: So if you're at a spot and you're battling somebody
Speaker 2: and they killing it on the double time, it's killing
Speaker 2: the crowd you have. You I can't compete with that.
Speaker 2: You gotta go all the way the other way. You
Speaker 2: gotta get real creative and try to do something else.
Speaker 2: So for me it becomes I'm gonna try to do
Speaker 2: the contrast and do sort of a slow flow with
Speaker 2: a gang of wordplay and get really creative with a pattern.
Speaker 2: My time rhymes to find the mind saturn roller skate
Speaker 2: rhymes to find a kind kattern, pump a bone battern
Speaker 2: for the bold flatter, you will flatter you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I'll make you scatter like just something else.
Speaker 2: You gotta take a.
Speaker 1: Chance, and sometimes it lands, sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Okay, you get creative, you take a shot like take
Speaker 2: old dirty bastard, he don't rap like the rest of
Speaker 2: wu tag. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. And I
Speaker 2: picked up when she was throwing down. She was trying
Speaker 2: to rep the ausie land, do animal style kangaroo hops
Speaker 2: to rep her soil and be creative.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't.
Speaker 2: Now I don't know nothing about her husband being in
Speaker 2: charge of no thing and all that good stuff that
Speaker 2: they were saying. All I know is you have to
Speaker 2: battle a lot of people to get to the top,
Speaker 2: and battling is very subjective, and sometimes creativity and style
Speaker 2: points count. But when your creativity just swinging a miss.
Speaker 2: She clearly don't have no power moves. She was battling
Speaker 2: logistics who got style, finess, flavored dance, intangibles and power moves.
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do?
Speaker 2: I saw a headspinning there, but she clearly don't have
Speaker 2: no power move. So she's trying to fight back with style.
Speaker 1: Just didn't work.
Speaker 2: So I'm saying this as somebody who has been in
Speaker 2: a battle, and sometimes you lose your train of thought
Speaker 2: and the words sound like gibberish.
Speaker 1: She too, She took a creative chance and it was
Speaker 1: a swing and a miss.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it happens on a serious note. Okay, receipts are
Speaker 2: being pulled on walls and on JD and everybody involved,
Speaker 2: and we're trying to figure it out. The Democrats are
Speaker 2: doing their best to make Project twenty twenty five Trump's thing,
Speaker 2: which it is not. It is somebody trying to tie
Speaker 2: it to Trump. I can't believe I'm saying this in
Speaker 2: his defense. That is a lot of overlap, but that's
Speaker 2: their own thing now Trump, it's all caps saying Trump
Speaker 2: he don't know who the people are because he know
Speaker 2: who they are and he know what they want.
Speaker 1: So that's cap.
Speaker 2: But it's in his defense, is not his now? Secondly,
Speaker 2: in JD Vance's defense. I know, I know what it
Speaker 2: sounds like, but I'm gonna say it. He being dragged
Speaker 2: over this app harvest startup. So that was a company
Speaker 2: that was an agricultural company that was supposed to be
Speaker 2: an Appalachia and was going to give hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 2: of jobs to the area. Everybody got excited. It was like, dope, man,
Speaker 2: he one of us, or at least you told us
Speaker 2: he one of us. It's going to be a fresh job.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Again, he was an investor and he was just on
Speaker 2: the board. Now, I have sat on a couple boards.
Speaker 2: And just because you're on the board don't mean you
Speaker 2: in charge of operation now. And just because you're an
Speaker 2: investor don't mean you in charge of the money now.
Speaker 2: You got a lot to say, obviously, but you can't
Speaker 2: necessarily be blamed for everything to go bad, and you
Speaker 2: can't necessarily take the praise for everything that go good. Now,
Speaker 2: not only did this business fail. Before it failed, they
Speaker 2: was talking about it was one hundred and twenty degrees
Speaker 2: inside that building because it's a greenhouse. The conditions were terrible.
Speaker 2: And while everybody was like, man, I can't work in here.
Speaker 2: They brought in not a couple migrant workers, not even
Speaker 2: Mike undocumented, five hundred of them, five hundred undocumented workers,
Speaker 2: which in any other scenario, all right, what do I care?
Speaker 2: The reason why any of us care is because you
Speaker 2: supposed to be Captain Appalachia.
Speaker 1: You called yourself that.
Speaker 2: If you didn't call yourself Captain Appalachia, it would have
Speaker 2: just been a failed thing. But you set yourself up
Speaker 2: as Robin Hood of the Woods. So since you did that, you,
Speaker 2: I mean, what you're gonna say, Homeie, I saw your
Speaker 2: watch you confront like you one of us. But that
Speaker 2: ain't really hurting nobody. Now you're hurting us saying you
Speaker 2: one of us. So he's gonna have to answer to that.
Speaker 2: And his answer was, yeah, sucked. I invested and I
Speaker 2: was on the board, but I mean I wasn't in charge.
Speaker 2: And in his defense, he's.
Speaker 1: Right now if it is wallskutog.
Speaker 2: Y'all still calling that man tampon ten as if you ain't.
Speaker 2: All you got to do, beloved is read it. You
Speaker 2: can read the law. It is all over Beyonce's Internet.
Speaker 2: I'm a reader for you. You Article one General Education,
Speaker 2: Section one one dot two twelve Access to menstrual products.
Speaker 2: A school district charter must provide students with access to
Speaker 2: menstrual products at no charge. The products must be available
Speaker 2: to all menstruating students in restrooms regularly used by students
Speaker 2: in grades four through twelve, according to the plan developed
Speaker 2: by the school district for purposes of this section. Menstrual
Speaker 2: products means pads, tampons, or other similar products used in
Speaker 2: connection to menstrual cycle.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's what the law say.
Speaker 2: Not the whole reputting tampos and boys bathrooms. I mean, okay,
Speaker 2: I just read you the law. That's what the law say.
Speaker 2: So just you know, cap down a little bit.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: The DNC has started. We looking for you to put
Speaker 2: some words to your excitement.
Speaker 1: Anti.
Speaker 2: We looking for Joe to like, you know, go out
Speaker 2: in a blaze of glory and uh, it's all week
Speaker 2: this week now. Now, I did get to watch a
Speaker 2: lot of Mondays, not enough to do a full recap.
Speaker 2: But the thing that's most interesting right now is the
Speaker 2: comparison to the nineteen sixty eight one, which was there's
Speaker 2: a lot of similarities. There was a huge protest that
Speaker 2: happened in sixty eight against the Vietnam War, and right
Speaker 2: now there's a huge protest going on against the war
Speaker 2: in Gaza. The difference in nineteen sixty eight and now
Speaker 2: is the cops beat the breaks off them protesters on
Speaker 2: TV like we all saw it this time. See Robert
Speaker 2: and Sophie and Garre are out there and they pretty
Speaker 2: much kind of behaved.
Speaker 1: It's pretty chill.
Speaker 2: Now we'll see, But right now it's being pretty chill,
Speaker 2: relatively speaking. And what's different this time is Joe went
Speaker 2: off script. Joe said, you know what, them protesters out there,
Speaker 2: they got a point.
Speaker 1: Innocent people being killed on both sides.
Speaker 2: Now, now, Sophie says she got a view of the
Speaker 2: teleprompter that wasn't on the script. Now, of course we're
Speaker 2: we're all grabbing for scraps, But good for him, that's
Speaker 2: a good scrap to grab. I'm so glad you acknowledged it,
Speaker 2: rather than acting like it's just a party on the inside.
Speaker 2: The campaigns of Harris and of Trump have been hacked
Speaker 2: by Iran, according to the US Intelligence It's not like
Speaker 2: this wasn't expected. Country's been tapping into our elections as
Speaker 2: a sport. They've been doing this for a long time.
Speaker 2: Iran is not happy. Iran is like, you not only
Speaker 2: did you kill Cosum Soulamani, you just popped another We
Speaker 2: believe you just popped another person on our soil recently.
Speaker 2: Because you gotta remember, like Israel and America are interchangeable.
Speaker 2: To them, they don't ain't no difference share. That means
Speaker 2: that y'all need to double check all sources. That mean
Speaker 2: you need to question everything coming at you and keep
Speaker 2: your antennas high.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Another interesting difference is is that the news didn't report it.
Speaker 2: They didn't report the stuff that was in the league.
Speaker 2: You know. Man, in twenty sixteen, this was like catnip
Speaker 2: all the leaks, you know, butter emails. It's almost like
Speaker 2: we learned a lesson, like you know, and there's a
Speaker 2: few ways to look at it, right. It's like, hey,
Speaker 2: like if it's something in there that's like really like
Speaker 2: American people need to know. It's like, what's your duty
Speaker 2: as the media to be like, Okay, I know how
Speaker 2: we got it, but like it's kind of too real
Speaker 2: to talk about it, to not talk about it. On
Speaker 2: the other hand, it's like, you know when people make
Speaker 2: fun of your little brother, and they be right about him,
Speaker 2: but you can't make fun of him. I don't want
Speaker 2: to hear from you, like you can't say nothing about
Speaker 2: my little brother, your mom being like you telling on
Speaker 2: your little brother, your mom like why you snitching. I
Speaker 2: don't want to hear from you, just because like, no,
Speaker 2: you don't get to talk about it. So the news
Speaker 2: was like, I mean thank you because they sent they
Speaker 2: sent the content of the hacks to pro Publica. They
Speaker 2: was like, yo, you can have it pro Publica. It
Speaker 2: was like, okay, cool, thank you, but like I don't
Speaker 2: need to get this from you, I mean respect. And
Speaker 2: finally there's another rumor of a ceasefire deal, and I
Speaker 2: say rumor because that's exactly what it sounds like because
Speaker 2: Anthony blinking like, yo, it's good. We just waiting on
Speaker 2: her mask. Benjamin then y'all who said, like, I ain't
Speaker 2: agree to nothing. I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: They still haven't met our turns. And in the middle
Speaker 2: of that, we just still sent twenty million dollars to
Speaker 2: them people.
Speaker 1: So let's be real.
Speaker 2: Can't nobody really tell another country what to do? You
Speaker 2: can't really, there's no way an American president can stop
Speaker 2: a country from going to war to another country, but
Speaker 2: what they can do is not pay for it.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Let's get to what Zion is like this all
Speaker 1: right now, I'm back.
Speaker 2: Now listen, I am going to do both these things
Speaker 2: an incredible injustice because both of these topics will take
Speaker 2: a lifetime to understand, and both of these topics could
Speaker 2: have many different interpretations depending on your understanding of history, politics, religion.
Speaker 2: Remember when I wanted to talk to y'all about the
Speaker 2: who thy's husbelah all of these different topics where I'm like,
Speaker 2: when you get into a religion, just like listen, listen
Speaker 2: when I say Christian, it's the same concept when I
Speaker 2: say Christian. We talk about my Zion all the time.
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, if you black, you probably went to
Speaker 2: Mount zion A and me new get Semity Church of
Speaker 2: God at Christ Now I made that up right now,
Speaker 2: There's probably is a new guest, there's probably a Mount
Speaker 2: zion A and me I.
Speaker 1: Know there is is one in South Central.
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to say is we use these terms
Speaker 2: all the time because they end. But when I say Christian,
Speaker 2: that's what I mean. Now when you say Christian. You
Speaker 2: may think Holy Roller Pentecosta, you may think Trump, you
Speaker 2: may think you may think Catholic, you may think there's
Speaker 2: so many other things you might think that are all
Speaker 2: these different? So you asked, you ask ten different Christians
Speaker 2: what does it mean to be Christian?
Speaker 1: You're gonna get ten different answers most likely.
Speaker 2: Remember we did the Terrorform episode with the hummy Kevin Garcia,
Speaker 2: and I tried to break down in the beginning. It
Speaker 2: was tough, but I tried to give y'all a cursory
Speaker 2: understanding of like Western Church history. You see how I
Speaker 2: had to give that caveat that I'm talking about Western Church, like,
Speaker 2: we ain't talking Coptic, we not talking Greek Orthodox, were
Speaker 2: not talking Russian Jesuit Like.
Speaker 1: There's this You could really get lost in the week.
Speaker 2: So please give me that grace that what I am
Speaker 2: about to talk to you about is grossly trunk caded, Okay,
Speaker 2: but it's just to help y'all understand so that as
Speaker 2: you have your picket signs out that at least you
Speaker 2: don't sound like a herd. So first let me teach
Speaker 2: y'all what a rastadm, what arastadim mean when they say,
Speaker 2: mont Zion and I'm sorry about my patois rastadim. Okay, first,
Speaker 2: let me step back and say what I'm What is Rastafarianism? Now,
Speaker 2: I would say, like globally, it's probably one of the
Speaker 2: youngest world religions, getting its roots by name in the
Speaker 2: nineteen thirties, deriving from the Ethiopian emperor Hali Selassii. Okay, Now,
Speaker 2: as I say this again, like a rasta, a Rastafari, like,
Speaker 2: this is not a compartmentalized philosophy, your religion. This is
Speaker 2: a way of life, right, a liberty. You know, this
Speaker 2: is our culture, our heritage, our history, right and our
Speaker 2: way of being, which some could argue is well, that's
Speaker 2: the definition of a religion. A religion, a way of
Speaker 2: being right, your liturgy. Anyway, there is an encompassing around this.
Speaker 2: Now it is impossible to separate Rasta from the africanness
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So the belief is this, when you listen to roots reggae,
Speaker 2: when you listen to you know, Bob Marley and them, like,
Speaker 2: there's so much to cover, dance hall, like that's the
Speaker 2: club music, roots reggae, like you think of this as
Speaker 2: like worship, like this is praise and worship. There is
Speaker 2: a tie going back to the Queen of Sheba and
Speaker 2: King Solomon. Now I'm getting into my Old Testament. This
Speaker 2: is why there's so much Judaism and christian tied to it,
Speaker 2: because there is a belief that it's and it's and
Speaker 2: rightfully so, because if you believe the Bible, it's in
Speaker 2: the scriptures. Is that the Queen of Sheba, which was
Speaker 2: it's believed to be an ancient queen from the region
Speaker 2: of Ethiopia. Now obviously Ethiopia is a nation state, but
Speaker 2: Ethiopia as as a continual connection of tribes a Romo
Speaker 2: Tigre like just the different tribes that are there.
Speaker 1: They have. Ethiopia and Thailand shares the legacy of being
Speaker 1: the only two countries that were never colonized or conquered.
Speaker 1: Is not Israel.
Speaker 2: Italy almost did right, the British almost did, but they
Speaker 2: were never able to actually colonize Ethiopia.
Speaker 1: And Ethiopia takes a lot of.
Speaker 2: Pride in this, so a lot of their lineage and
Speaker 2: heritage because their history wasn't cut off or attempted to
Speaker 2: be raised.
Speaker 1: You can know a lot about them.
Speaker 2: Ethiopia in the scriptures in the Bible is called the
Speaker 2: land of cush Also, right, it's believed that Moses's wife,
Speaker 2: Zipporah was from Ethiopia when Moses. This is all Old
Speaker 2: Testament stuff, but it's all makes sense. It all makes
Speaker 2: sense as to why the connection is so important to him.
Speaker 2: Moses before the whole let my people go, before the
Speaker 2: Ten Commandments type joint. Moses supposedly, according to the story,
Speaker 2: saw a one of Pharaoh's guards abusing one of the
Speaker 2: Jewish slaves, and he hopped up and killed the guy,
Speaker 2: and then he had to run. And so then when
Speaker 2: he ran, he ran to the to Midian and he
Speaker 2: married Jethrow's daughter. And it was believed that that area
Speaker 2: was Ethiopia. Okay, so like that at least the region
Speaker 2: that we now call Ethiopia. So there's this belief that
Speaker 2: Moses's first wife. You fast forward to Solomon King David,
Speaker 2: King David's son, right, the writer of Psalms, and it's
Speaker 2: believed that, according to the passages, that he had never
Speaker 2: seen anybody more beautiful or a kingdom more amazing than
Speaker 2: the kingdom that the Queen of Shiba came from. Now
Speaker 2: you fast forward to Emperor SALASSII and Emperor SALASSII, a
Speaker 2: Romo Ethiopian man who became the emperor of what we
Speaker 2: know to be Ethiopia, right geopolitically, but it's a belief
Speaker 2: that his bloodline can be traced back to King Solomon. Right,
Speaker 2: the emperor blood line of Ethiopia could be traced back
Speaker 2: to King Solomon's.
Speaker 1: That's the roster belief.
Speaker 2: Again, as many rosters, you might get many answers, but overall,
Speaker 2: this is the belief right now.
Speaker 1: Set that aside. Okay, Another connection is in.
Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of Bible stuff, but you
Speaker 2: got to follow me because we are talking about Jews
Speaker 2: and Rastas, so of course we're going to talk about
Speaker 2: the Bible right now. The Book of Acts in the
Speaker 2: Bible has this story of this one of the apostles
Speaker 2: named Philip, and Philip runs into an Ethiopian eunuch who,
Speaker 2: according to the Bible, was reading the Book of Isaiah.
Speaker 2: And Philip sees him on the road and he's like,
Speaker 2: you know what you're reading? And the dudes like, how
Speaker 2: can I know? If nobody teaches him? So he sits
Speaker 2: down with him, and he, according to the scripture, according
Speaker 2: to the Bible, explains Isaiah, the prophecies, the Messiah, the
Speaker 2: death barely on resurrection of Jesus, and how that stuff
Speaker 2: was prophesied in the Book of Isaiah. So he ties
Speaker 2: other things and then it says that this Ethiopian eunuch
Speaker 2: got baptized right then. Now it is then believed that
Speaker 2: he brought Christianity as we know it. Their belief is
Speaker 2: like we we saw it right there, but prov I
Speaker 2: thought Rostel was Jamaican, I'll get to it. So so
Speaker 2: that's that's tie number three right now. The fourth tie,
Speaker 2: which is one of the most compelling things to me
Speaker 2: between the Jews, Zion and Ethiopia is the city of Axom.
Speaker 2: So the city of Axom is in the northern part
Speaker 2: of Ethiopia and is known to be and it's truthfully
Speaker 2: the oldest, the first and oldest Christian city because contrary
Speaker 2: to what yell, little white pastor will teach you, the
Speaker 2: faith went to Africa before it went to Europe. Okay, hell,
Speaker 2: it went to Mongolia before it went to Europe. The
Speaker 2: point is the white man ain't teach us who Jesus was.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: It is also believed that the arc of the Covenant
Speaker 2: from the Old Testament isn't axiom. There are ruins at
Speaker 2: different church that have good archaeological evidence to believe that
Speaker 2: they set up the tent with the dimensions that Exodus
Speaker 2: and Deuteronomy and them, and then all Testament scriptures have
Speaker 2: taught them to do this. There are if you go
Speaker 2: to Israel now black Ethiopian Jewish people. As a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, they to be able to now get into
Speaker 2: the modern politics, to be able to repatronize, to be
Speaker 2: able to come back to Israel as a Jew, you'd
Speaker 2: have to prove by your DNA that you have Jewish heritage,
Speaker 2: you are in fact an ethnic Jew. And the Ethiopians
Speaker 2: there's a sect of Ethiopia that not only can prove it,
Speaker 2: but are some argue, the closest like DNA related to
Speaker 2: what might be the ancient Israeli Right, they're the like
Speaker 2: that some would argue that as far as the diaspora,
Speaker 2: not as far as like people ain't never let I'm
Speaker 2: talking abouts far as the diaspora, right, so they it
Speaker 2: can truly say. And there's a lot of traditions that
Speaker 2: in certain parts of Ethiopia that they continued far longer
Speaker 2: and are actually far more closely related to the ancient practices,
Speaker 2: then what modern Israel looks like. This is just it's
Speaker 2: just history now because anti blackness is universal.
Speaker 1: When they got to.
Speaker 2: Israel, the modern Israel, a lot of Ethiopian women were sterilized.
Speaker 2: And if you walk around Jerusalem, just like everywhere else,
Speaker 2: the people doing all of the all of the dirty work,
Speaker 2: all of the bront work, all of the jobs, nobody
Speaker 2: won't are the black. Unfortunately, that being said, the tie
Speaker 2: between Ethiopia, the ancient religion of Judaism, and the ancient
Speaker 2: people of Israel, one because of the region, one because
Speaker 2: of folklore, and one because of DNA has Ethiopia is
Speaker 2: the verifiably connected to whatever the ancient Jerusalem was. Okay,
Speaker 2: you fast forward to Holly SELASSII in the nineteen thirties,
Speaker 2: who they believe according to a Rasta him Is, I
Speaker 2: want to say two hundred and twenty fifth, my I
Speaker 2: think that's what my cousin told me two hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty fifth. Don't quote me on this, I'm just quoting
Speaker 2: my cousin of the Solomonic dynasty. So they believe that
Speaker 2: like the actual king, like a descendant of King David right,
Speaker 2: a son of David kind of like who Jesus was
Speaker 2: a descendant of David, right, was also Selassia ya ya
Speaker 2: ya aa you following me?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Now, the word Arastafarii comes from Halli Selassi, which is
Speaker 2: ras Tafarai. Right, It's it was his name, right. So
Speaker 2: he was one of the only independent black leaders in
Speaker 2: Africa at the time. Right, So he bears this cultural, political, historic,
Speaker 2: and symbolic importance to just the African diaspora. Now, once
Speaker 2: you get into the practices of Rastafarianism, like again like
Speaker 2: the rastadim, the way of life, like the diet, you know,
Speaker 2: avoiding shellfish, eating seafood, like it's pretty similar to like
Speaker 2: kosher practices again because they have this tie to the.
Speaker 1: Land, the history.
Speaker 2: So there's there's a lot of practices that are like
Speaker 2: that are that they they they have a lot of
Speaker 2: practices about being welcoming to the sojourner, about the way
Speaker 2: that we collectively sing ja is a Jamaican version of
Speaker 2: saying yah, which is short for yahweh.
Speaker 1: So when we say.
Speaker 2: Jah rastafari, you know it's your ja is yah yahweh
Speaker 2: or jahovah. Right.
Speaker 1: So these a lot.
Speaker 2: Of them are vegetarian. They don't eat meat at all.
Speaker 2: Definitely not be for pork. Because you keep the temple clean, right,
Speaker 2: you very rarely are gonna find and overweight rasta like
Speaker 2: they're usually in incredibly good shape. The dreadlocks have to
Speaker 2: do what what's called the valve the Nazarite because again
Speaker 2: we're talking the Old Testament Samson in the Bible. You
Speaker 2: know Samson with his golden locks, you know the Samson
Speaker 2: and Delilah. Like Samson that took what's called a Nazarite vow,
Speaker 2: which was a vow to keep himself holy to the Lord.
Speaker 2: And the symbol of that holiness to the Lord was
Speaker 2: not crust cutting your hair. This is as a symbol
Speaker 2: of our holiness.
Speaker 1: The vow of the Nazarite. You grow your dreadlocks. Right.
Speaker 2: Dreadlocks was a term given to us by the British
Speaker 2: that we just own Nazi dread so because our hair,
Speaker 2: our locks were dreadful, so dreadlocks. There's also sex that
Speaker 2: believe that like God grabs the dead souls by their
Speaker 2: dreadlocks and bring them to brings them to Heaven. Again,
Speaker 2: there's the symbols beautiful, but either way, it's a symbol
Speaker 2: of the promise your commitment to keeping yourself sanctified to
Speaker 2: the Father, right is if you're being a traditional rostadem
Speaker 2: Now their belief different than it's still again so follow me.
Speaker 1: This is still at Abrahamic faith.
Speaker 2: That's why you're gonna hear terms like mauzaion, right, which
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get to specifically in a second. But their
Speaker 2: belief different than Christianity, although similar in a lot of ways,
Speaker 2: similar to Judaism in a lot of ways. Their belief
Speaker 2: is that, like I said, Selassie was the Messiah. Right,
Speaker 2: this is an Afrocentric belief. How did it get to
Speaker 2: Jamaica the trans Atlantic slave trade. So it gets to
Speaker 2: Jamaica via the slave trade. We got carted off. Remember
Speaker 2: this is an Afrocentric belief. And when Africans got brought
Speaker 2: to Jamaica, they brought their beliefs.
Speaker 1: Then it sinked.
Speaker 2: You know, had a lot of syncretism with a lot
Speaker 2: of like the voodoo and tribal and Caribbean practices, you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff that was happening in the Caribbean.
Speaker 2: That because again this is East Africa, West Africa with
Speaker 2: the Arishi and the you know, and a lot of
Speaker 2: the West African beliefs are a little more animis.
Speaker 1: You know, and not so Abrahammick, if you will.
Speaker 2: Right, all that to say, just like any other faith,
Speaker 2: tradition or practice, when it travels, it takes on a
Speaker 2: lot of the personalities, traditions, and practices of the people
Speaker 2: that it traveled with and the location it lands. So
Speaker 2: the music that you hear, because obviously if you hear
Speaker 2: music in Ethiopia, it don't sound like reggae because reggae
Speaker 2: is Jamaican, right, So what you consider Rastafarian, you think Caribbean,
Speaker 2: because that's I mean, I get it right. And Ethiopia
Speaker 2: is Christian, right of course, there's obviously it's a modern country.
Speaker 2: There's millions of religions there, not millions, but you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, there's a lot of different religions there,
Speaker 2: but Ethiopia's Christian rasta that's birthed out of the diaspora
Speaker 2: that has its.
Speaker 1: Tie to Ethiopia.
Speaker 2: Y'all following me, you have people like Marcus Garvey, right,
Speaker 2: who we need to at some point do a whole
Speaker 2: study on him in the Back to Africa movement. And
Speaker 2: I don't have time to get into the depths of
Speaker 2: Marcus Garvey. But but the point was, as far as
Speaker 2: the Pan African experience, were those who the diaspora, we
Speaker 2: who got separated from our land, whether it was your
Speaker 2: run of the mill black Baptist slave in Tuscaloosa, right
Speaker 2: in Mobile, Alabama, backwoods of preacher and you know, making Georgia,
Speaker 2: that we was on the plantations.
Speaker 1: If a Bible got into our.
Speaker 2: Hands, it was so easy to see ourselves in the
Speaker 2: children of Israel. Like it's not hard to see. If
Speaker 2: you read the Book of Exodus, you like, damn, that's us.
Speaker 2: It was too it was too the connection is too obvious.
Speaker 2: We're like, oh my gosh, cart it off into slavery
Speaker 2: from a distant land. Like and then there's a longing
Speaker 2: for a return to your promised land. The city and
Speaker 2: the capital of my promised land is the city of Zion.
Speaker 1: You're following me.
Speaker 2: It would be the same in the Caribbean for the
Speaker 2: rastadem But they looking back in Selassie, it is Rastafarianism
Speaker 2: is by definition anti colonial, obviously, and they believe that
Speaker 2: Africa is their not only their their literal ancestral homeland,
Speaker 2: but it's their spiritual homeland and the country of Ethiopia
Speaker 2: gets a particular reverence because of the role it played
Speaker 2: in the nineteenth century for the resistance of because of Selassie,
Speaker 2: for the resistance of European imperialism. Everybody else fell, Ethiopia didn't.
Speaker 2: So the gold, green, and red colors of the modern
Speaker 2: Ethiopia flag are the traditional colors of the Rastafarian because
Speaker 2: it can in some ways get it roots, gets its
Speaker 2: roots from there.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Okay, I know that was a long preamble, but you
Speaker 2: gotta understand we're talking. So once you have this understanding
Speaker 2: of your connection to Judaism practice anti colonial you know, dispersed,
Speaker 2: taken away from your homeland and longing for a return
Speaker 2: to your promised land, now we could talk about what
Speaker 2: Zion is. Now, Rastafarian has two basic tent poles Zion Babylon.
Speaker 2: You hear that stuff in all the raget you listen to, right,
Speaker 2: So these are the theological ideology ideological tent poles. The
Speaker 2: dichotomy is tied again to the anti colonial origins because Babylon,
Speaker 2: remember again in your Old Testament, is the symbol of
Speaker 2: the evil powers, the evil empire, just like in the Bible,
Speaker 2: it's the the the the epitome.
Speaker 1: It is everything that's wrong in the world.
Speaker 2: It's the system is symbolized in king Nebukane, the the
Speaker 2: and the kingdom of Babylon.
Speaker 1: And we long to see Babylon fall.
Speaker 2: We chant down bout this worldly system that enslaves and
Speaker 2: and and attacks and and seeks to control not only
Speaker 2: the outward person, but the inside of you what what
Speaker 2: Christians would call your sin nature worldly Babylon. Right. So,
Speaker 2: if you're following again the saga of the Old Testament
Speaker 2: Israel fleeing Egypt or getting away from Egypt, becoming free
Speaker 2: and then being enslaved.
Speaker 1: By Babylon again, Babylon's the problem. Does that make sense? Now?
Speaker 1: In the Bible, Zion is just.
Speaker 2: Another name for Jerusalem, right, and it can refer to
Speaker 2: the land of Israel fully. Now the Rastafarian Okay, this
Speaker 2: is where our difference is repurpose the Biblical definition to
Speaker 2: an Afrocentric direction. For the Rasta Zion is the continent
Speaker 2: of Africa, specifically Ethiopia. But the term represents not just
Speaker 2: a physical place, because Ethiopia is just Ethiopia, but it's
Speaker 2: an ideal. It's what we would call to become cross.
Speaker 2: It's this is paradise. This is Thy Kingdom. Come Thy
Speaker 2: will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Zion,
Speaker 2: Heaven and Earth meets. So it's not just it's it's
Speaker 2: physical and so much more, which in a lot of
Speaker 2: ways is the same for the jew But we'll get
Speaker 2: to that. It is the destruction of a worldly system
Speaker 2: and the raising of a selected godly kingdom where all
Speaker 2: of us. What we would talk about, the Christians would
Speaker 2: talk about the Kingdom of God is righteousness, peace, enjoying
Speaker 2: the Holy goth is to be a part of the kingdom.
Speaker 2: So it's a both place and it's an idea to
Speaker 2: strive for. Right where the Rasta's they would equate with
Speaker 2: preserving and glorifying Black African culture, right the Iron Lion
Speaker 2: of Zion, you know, Bob Marley's you know some but
Speaker 2: for more information, like Rastafari is kind of like like
Speaker 2: how we have denominations. There's a divide it into mansions,
Speaker 2: and they got it from like the Gospel of John
Speaker 2: when Jesus says, in my father's house there are many mansions.
Speaker 2: Right again, I'm telling you it's an Abrahamic faith. A
Speaker 2: lot of people don't think it's just a. It's a
Speaker 2: black you know, anti colonial African outpour of it. Right,
Speaker 2: so you have like the Bobo, the Ashanti, the twelve tribes.
Speaker 2: That's that's a denomination, if you will, they would call
Speaker 2: it the twelve tribes of Israel. N I never pronounced it, right,
Speaker 2: But the Naya be the Naya be BINGI like, I
Speaker 2: never pronounce it right. But there are a certain type
Speaker 2: now some again, there are some look more traditional than others,
Speaker 2: and then a lot of people just follow like an
Speaker 2: individual like rasta way of viewing it. But at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, Ethiopia is, for lack of better term,
Speaker 2: the new Jerusalem. This is zion when we're talking about Rastad. Okay,
Speaker 2: now what the Zionists believe? Next? All right, we're back
Speaker 2: now Zionism the name the overall name for right now.
Speaker 2: You know, if you're pro Palestine, that's the.
Speaker 1: Name of the bad guys. They're Zionists.
Speaker 2: And people have tried to separate the idea of anti
Speaker 2: Semitism from Zionists being anti Zionists, that these are different things.
Speaker 2: Now that would mean that you'd have to understand all
Speaker 2: those things and their history from them. Now I'm trying
Speaker 2: to handle this like with as much respect as I can,
Speaker 2: because I'm talking about a culture that's not mine, right,
Speaker 2: So please grant me that grace that there's I'm probably
Speaker 2: gonna overlook. Like I said in the beginning, I'm probably
Speaker 2: gonna overlook some stuff that I'm not trying to overlook.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to give as best as I can and
Speaker 2: understanding right of these different things anti am I that's
Speaker 2: I mean, those are the Nazis. You just don't believe that.
Speaker 2: It's a type of thing. It's a type of overall
Speaker 2: term for the concept of the convolution of idea, this
Speaker 2: weird idea that all that is wrong. Like it's almost
Speaker 2: like you've made the Jew Babylon, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like we just talked about like you, they are everything
Speaker 2: that's wrong. They are both. They are both the killers
Speaker 2: of Jesus. They are the vermin that I'm trying to
Speaker 2: describe anti Semitism, the the the religion and the ethnicity
Speaker 2: that somehow or another is poor and subhuman but also
Speaker 2: quietly controls all of the inner workings of money and
Speaker 2: power in the world. And your only solution is to
Speaker 2: wipe them out. That would be anti Semitic. That's the
Speaker 2: idea of that that comes from this thing called the
Speaker 2: Protocols of Zion, which again the word Zion I'm gonna
Speaker 2: talk about, which is something that we've talked about on
Speaker 2: the Behind the Bastards episodes of the Protocols design.
Speaker 1: Now that's anti Semitic.
Speaker 2: Now once we get into now if you remember the
Speaker 2: one of the You Wasn't Outside episodes when we pulled
Speaker 2: the clip of a rabbi explaining the idea of what
Speaker 2: makes a Jew a Jew according to the faith is
Speaker 2: they're covenant with Yahweh. That it's not necessarily a location.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, to see it as a
Speaker 2: location is to minimize it. Where he was like the
Speaker 2: Promised Land that our claim is because we are in
Speaker 2: covenant with Yahweh and that can happen anywhere.
Speaker 1: The location don't matter. So to say that the capital
Speaker 1: has to be.
Speaker 2: In Jerusalem or has to be in Tel Aviv because
Speaker 2: that's God's will is He's like, no, you're missing the point,
Speaker 2: Like who cares where a modern nation state plants? Like
Speaker 2: that's a secular system that is like the rastadem would
Speaker 2: say that is Babylon. To worry about what other nations
Speaker 2: say I am a part of the kingdom, and the
Speaker 2: kingdom exists because I am in covenant with yaw. We
Speaker 2: are a covenant people. That's what makes that's what gives
Speaker 2: us our Jewishness is our covenant with y'owe.
Speaker 1: Who cares what the borders are.
Speaker 2: That would be a specific type of Judaism, right, A
Speaker 2: religious type of Judaism. Now, an ethnic Judaism something different.
Speaker 2: A political Judaism is something different. And that's what we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about right now. Zionism as we're talking
Speaker 2: about not the Rastadim, but Zionism. You could say, I'd say,
Speaker 2: go back to August twenty ninth, eighteen ninety seven. It
Speaker 2: was a meeting on the Rhine River in this small
Speaker 2: city like in Switzerland.
Speaker 1: Called Basil, right, um Basil.
Speaker 2: Now, this meeting had people from all over the world,
Speaker 2: and it was to discuss this concept of Zionism. Now,
Speaker 2: like I said in the Biot, like I said, zion
Speaker 2: is just a biblical term for Jerusalem. Right, So they
Speaker 2: choose that term because if you're paying attention to Europe Pagras,
Speaker 2: it ain't a good place for Jews. It's been all
Speaker 2: bad for them for a while. And this discussion was
Speaker 2: to say we have to have a place cause it
Speaker 2: seemed like no matter where we go, we not want it.
Speaker 2: Now they pull in all the way back Damaal freaking
Speaker 2: Canaan to Egypt. They are talking about their deep history
Speaker 2: and they're like, like, no matter where we go, we
Speaker 2: not want it. So we need to find a place
Speaker 2: where we could just be ourselves. And they thought, what
Speaker 2: better place than our ancestral homeland. Now, if you're looking
Speaker 2: around this room, you would think the same thing. I
Speaker 2: would think, y'all white as hell, Like you're you're European.
Speaker 1: I don't understand the same.
Speaker 2: Way that you would probably look at that Ethiopian and go,
Speaker 2: but you're African.
Speaker 1: But follow me now.
Speaker 2: So people in during the time, from like Munich, from Germany,
Speaker 2: from Poland, from Switzerland, they're like, what is you talking about?
Speaker 2: Like I'm just as German as everybody they German. They're like,
Speaker 2: we speak German, like this is just our religious Like
Speaker 2: I ain't never seen I never been to Israel, never
Speaker 2: seen Israel.
Speaker 1: Israel's not a thing at the time.
Speaker 2: That place is Palestine, you know, like it's not a
Speaker 2: that's not a that's it would be the same as
Speaker 2: me saying I need to go back to Nubia, but
Speaker 2: like Nubia's gone, you know black people like again a
Speaker 2: Marcus Garvey thing, but that was closer today time, like
Speaker 2: you need to go back to there's no place here
Speaker 2: wanted for you. I'm like, well, that's not I don't
Speaker 2: I don't even know the language they speak at Tobo.
Speaker 2: I'm guessing that because I took an African ancestry and
Speaker 2: they were saying I'm my father side that maybe.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what do I know about? I don't even
Speaker 1: think about that.
Speaker 2: So the Jews at the time were like, what, I
Speaker 2: don't this what did you talking about? Like it would
Speaker 2: be the equivalent to a back to Africa movement to
Speaker 2: where it's like, I mean, it sounds cool, but like
Speaker 2: I mean it's already people there, and I mean it's
Speaker 2: been hundreds of year, like I'm German, like we're German.
Speaker 2: A lot of the rabbis were like, look, first of all,
Speaker 2: this is blasphemous. Were not supposed to return until the
Speaker 2: Messiah come, Like that's what the prophecies that, and he
Speaker 2: gonna bring us back.
Speaker 1: I don't know about what the hell you doing? Right?
Speaker 2: And then the others, like the more modern ones, were like, well,
Speaker 2: we're not a nation like. That was actually the point,
Speaker 2: Like don't you then you read yo yo taura, you
Speaker 2: don't need a king. I'm your king. You're not a
Speaker 2: nation like That's the point. The point is you're supposed
Speaker 2: to be different. I'm your king. You're a part of
Speaker 2: a kingdom of God, the kingdom of Heaven, and I'll
Speaker 2: bring you back when it's time, when the Messiah come.
Speaker 2: So like whatever y'all doing, that's not even now I'm
Speaker 2: saying that again, this is eighteen ninety seven.
Speaker 1: That's that was the belief of them.
Speaker 2: Now again those were some rabbi and not only that,
Speaker 2: Like I said, they're like, well, I'm French, I do
Speaker 2: what anyway, Enter this guy named Theodore Herzel right, who
Speaker 2: was a journalist who covered this actually probably one of
Speaker 2: the most radicalizing moments for anybody, for any Jew in Europe, right,
Speaker 2: and it was the case for this man named Alfred Dreyfus, right,
Speaker 2: which basically became like the trial of the century. They
Speaker 2: called it the Dreyfus affair, and the journalist who covered
Speaker 2: it was Theodore Herzel. Basically, the Dreyfus was accused of
Speaker 2: treason and found guilty and sentenced to like a work prism,
Speaker 2: totally wrongfully convicted, completely.
Speaker 1: Out of nowhere, y'all made all that up.
Speaker 2: But how that work was like because he was Jewish,
Speaker 2: it became not just about him, but that you can't
Speaker 2: trust the jew. And Theodore Hertzel's watching all this, and
Speaker 2: he's watching the people get whipped up into a frenzy.
Speaker 2: People that was just your neighbors. Like again, I'm just
Speaker 2: as German as you, I'm just as European as you are. Like, fam,
Speaker 2: I remember the feeling when Trump first started taking over
Speaker 2: the brains of the white Christian where I was like dog,
Speaker 2: we was at cracker Barrel yesterday.
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 2: Like we used to what just what has bewitched you?
Speaker 2: Like all of was you like this the whole time?
Speaker 2: It was super confusing. It's like all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: we're different, y'all. It's me like I've been meet this
Speaker 2: whole time. So Theodore Hertzel was like, yo, okay, listen,
Speaker 2: we clearly not wanted here and it's only gonna get worse.
Speaker 1: Turns out he was absolutely correct.
Speaker 2: So he comes up with this idea that is like
Speaker 2: he's like, Okay, I'm gonna suggest a Jewish state in
Speaker 2: the current state of Nation of Palestine. Y'all think I'm
Speaker 2: crazy right now, But in about fifty years you gonna
Speaker 2: see this was eighteen ninety seven. Guess what happened in
Speaker 2: fifty years nineteen forty eight shoots Israel.
Speaker 1: Bekay, days, ain't that crisy?
Speaker 2: So now Zionism, you want to be able to distinguish
Speaker 2: it between two different types of Zionism, right, And this
Speaker 2: is where I would critique making the concept the bad guy,
Speaker 2: because there's two types here.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's the.
Speaker 2: Zionism that comes out of a longing for a home
Speaker 2: that's where us and erastas actually share a place where
Speaker 2: we can be fully accepted, fully ourselves, and fully safe,
Speaker 2: because again, we're not wanted anywhere we are, right So, there's.
Speaker 1: A longing for a home that you've been ripped away from.
Speaker 2: Right now, when they say ripped away from, like we're
Speaker 2: talking guess what I'm talking about King of Babylon. We're
Speaker 2: talking about the nations being scattered like five eighty BC
Speaker 2: when the Ark of the Covenant went missing, and this beautiful,
Speaker 2: amazing Kingdom of Israel that used to exist in modern
Speaker 2: day Palestine Israel, in that region that was called Judea
Speaker 2: at that time where they existed.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 2: If you know your history, I've said this so many
Speaker 2: times in the usn't outside episodes, that little strip of
Speaker 2: land has been conquered and colonial and ran by every
Speaker 2: possible kingdom, every possible empire in the modern world, finally
Speaker 2: by Britain. And then but as that was happening, the
Speaker 2: people who were ethnically Israeli as we mean the in
Speaker 2: the ancient sense, were scattered all over the world.
Speaker 1: So that's why you could be white.
Speaker 2: As hale in Jewish and you could be black as
Speaker 2: hale in Jewish because they were scattered, right. And then
Speaker 2: of course now you're not going to marry people while
Speaker 2: you're there. But somehow or another they've been able to
Speaker 2: keep on to their traditions and their religions because they
Speaker 2: were also it's one of those things which you're ethnically
Speaker 2: and religiously and your identity so anyway, scattered all over
Speaker 2: the world. But as as we know, there's plenty of
Speaker 2: people that didn't lead. Again, I'm giving you you wasn't
Speaker 2: outside history, which you understand, so there's this longing of
Speaker 2: being like, man, this we used to have a place
Speaker 2: to be in the world, and you feel like you're
Speaker 2: looking around everybody else got a place to be in
Speaker 2: the world. This is born from despair, and rightfully so.
Speaker 2: But then there's this other type of Zionism that is
Speaker 2: more like this idea of reclaiming and enthusiasm about our
Speaker 2: heritage and our culture, like we need we need to
Speaker 2: be like the same way I would be like loud
Speaker 2: and black, like we need to be black as hell
Speaker 2: out here, Like we need to reclaim take up space
Speaker 2: and be ourselves rather than like shrinking ourselves, Like I
Speaker 2: want to reclaim all that it is for us to
Speaker 2: be us now as a minority. That shouldn't be hard
Speaker 2: for you to understand. I mean, that's us sitting here
Speaker 2: in America. And then you got the Republicans being like, well,
Speaker 2: you're American first, and I'm like, nah, nigga, I'm black.
Speaker 1: I got my red, black and green on the wall.
Speaker 2: You know, it's the Latinos flying their Mexican flags and like, nah,
Speaker 2: we who we are?
Speaker 1: You feel me?
Speaker 2: And you're like, when you're an American, you know it's you're
Speaker 2: a Nosavo kid. You know, when you finally discover the
Speaker 2: concept of Azlin, you want to know a little about
Speaker 2: your own heritage. Yeah, you're American, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: from East Lost. But you want to reclaim your history,
Speaker 2: your heritage, your language.
Speaker 1: You want to learn Aztec dances.
Speaker 2: It's like, so there's that version also, So in that sense,
Speaker 2: it'd be weird to you when you like, you're like yo,
Speaker 2: like Yo, we're Jews. You're like, oooh, I'm German. It's
Speaker 2: like nigga, you French like word. These people don't love you,
Speaker 2: like why you identify as that? You know, so there's
Speaker 2: you see that as a lens of Zionism. You so
Speaker 2: those so you have these ideas happening at all around
Speaker 2: the same sort of time and idea with the same
Speaker 2: term zion. So it could be seeing as somebody that's
Speaker 2: like yo, like I want to learn our ancient language,
Speaker 2: I want to learn our practices, I want to do
Speaker 2: the shabbat.
Speaker 1: I want to like I want to bring back.
Speaker 2: It became this umbrella term for just what it meant
Speaker 2: to like reclaim your culture, reclaim your identity, reclaim the
Speaker 2: fullness of what y'all are and then there's the geopolitical idea. Now,
Speaker 2: this geopolitical idea borrowed from all of these particular concepts.
Speaker 2: And if you read the writings of Theodore Herzel and
Speaker 2: a lot of the people involved in this, they were
Speaker 2: all bride eyed about the idea that like, oh, this
Speaker 2: is going to be a colonial takeover of Palestine. You
Speaker 2: have to remove the indigenous population for this to happen,
Speaker 2: because there's no way they're going to give it to me.
Speaker 2: And there were certain ways they tried to do it.
Speaker 2: They tried to do it peacefully. One way they said
Speaker 2: was well, first of all, let's go talk to Britain,
Speaker 2: because remember the British Empire actually drew the partition. The
Speaker 2: British Empire is the one that drew the line between
Speaker 2: Israel and Palestine, because remember it used to belong to them.
Speaker 2: Another idea that the Zionist had was, yo, let's go
Speaker 2: talk to the Turkish empire, right, because remember the Ottomans
Speaker 2: were there before the British. And they was like, okay,
Speaker 2: so if you let us be a government, how about
Speaker 2: we pay all the debts? What if we pay off debts?
Speaker 1: They were trying. Matter of fact, Israel the location.
Speaker 2: Wasn't even their first choice because they was like this
Speaker 2: a little too complicated. They thought about going to Africa,
Speaker 2: They looked at a couple different places as to where
Speaker 2: to land. This geopolitical idea of Zionism.
Speaker 1: I'm telling this out of order. Let me back up.
Speaker 2: So the idea that like, it's just a myth that
Speaker 2: the Zionists were not aware of the Palestinian Arab population.
Speaker 2: They were well aware of it. But the question is
Speaker 2: what to do with that information? Because yeah, as Jewish
Speaker 2: as as Hurtzel was, he's also a European, so that
Speaker 2: like he saw the Arabs as barbaric like that they were.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just there's no other way around it.
Speaker 2: They were well aware that you are going to have
Speaker 2: to displace people to build a nation like this, So
Speaker 2: that was not they knew. Right now, again, I'm talking
Speaker 2: about the geopolitical idea of Zionists. But their idea was like,
Speaker 2: surely y'all can see that, like.
Speaker 1: We're not a big empire. We're not.
Speaker 2: We're like, we're just we're just looking for a place
Speaker 2: to be, you know, and since we're from here anyway,
Speaker 2: it should this shouldn't be a problem. So yeah, so,
Speaker 2: like I said, Hertzel went to the British, he went
Speaker 2: to the Ottoman Empire, and he asked them, like, yo,
Speaker 2: can we just go settle Keep in mind is like
Speaker 2: European Jews had been moving to tel Aviv for a while.
Speaker 2: You know, they actually formed the city of tel Aviv, right,
Speaker 2: those were Jewish settlers from Israel. That's formed the city
Speaker 2: of tel Aviv this well before Israel became a state, right, so.
Speaker 1: They had already been moving.
Speaker 2: Now they were just like, we just need legitimacy, So
Speaker 2: how about we buy it from the Ottomans?
Speaker 1: And you know, the emperor of.
Speaker 2: The Ottoman Empire was like, bro, I can't sell you
Speaker 2: land like it belongs to the people and they fought
Speaker 2: to conquer this place. I'm not finish, just just sell
Speaker 2: it to you. And not only did he not sell
Speaker 2: it to him, he started building policy to make sure
Speaker 2: that they can't just be immigrating and just buying up
Speaker 2: Palestinian land.
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm not really I'm not really.
Speaker 2: Here for this, and like why would I welcome like
Speaker 2: a large religious minority into my empire?
Speaker 1: You might take it over.
Speaker 2: So, like I said, he was like, I can't look
Speaker 2: they're not just letting us come now, they're restricting our thing,
Speaker 2: our movement. He even, like I said, he went back
Speaker 2: to the British Empire, asked for a spot in East Africa,
Speaker 2: like can we just and the Jews back home? It
Speaker 2: was like, nigga, we're going back to Zion. The hell
Speaker 2: you talk about East Africa for He's perzels like bro,
Speaker 2: I'm trying right. So eventually they found the city of
Speaker 2: Tel Aviv. They create their own like anybody else, Like
Speaker 2: you created Chinatown. You created like you create your own community.
Speaker 2: Then newm niggas got organized. Now the timeline I'm telling
Speaker 2: you this, Like I said, Remember he had this first
Speaker 2: idea eighteen ninety seven. So this is all during the
Speaker 2: times between like World War One World War Two. Remember
Speaker 2: Britain didn't take over until nineteen seventeen, because that's why
Speaker 2: he was building with the Ottoman Empire. Dudes once and
Speaker 2: then once they was gone once British, Once Britain take
Speaker 2: took over nineteen seventeen, we're about we're seeing the end
Speaker 2: of World War One, right, You're thinking maybe this was
Speaker 2: a new world.
Speaker 1: And then all hell.
Speaker 2: Broke loose with the Nazi Empire and at that point,
Speaker 2: once the Nazis things started happening, it was like, oh, nigga,
Speaker 2: we gotta go like this. We can't be playing games.
Speaker 2: Were trying to play nice like like that. The Nazi
Speaker 2: thing kicked this mug in a high gear. So now
Speaker 2: by nineteen forty seven, it's like now it's like the
Speaker 2: Jews are like a third of the population in Palestine
Speaker 2: at the time, right, So so now it's getting a
Speaker 2: little itchy, you know what I'm saying, Like, now y'all,
Speaker 2: just y'all, just over here, And if you're an Arab nation,
Speaker 2: you like, okay, wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
Speaker 2: wait wait wait wait wait wait wait okay. Why we
Speaker 2: got to lose our home because of stuff Europe did?
Speaker 2: Why are we paying the price? Like I feel you,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like that's terrible what you're
Speaker 2: going through, But like why you gotta come, Why you.
Speaker 1: Gotta take our house?
Speaker 2: Why y'all gotta be like what's going on right now?
Speaker 2: But anyway, since nobody's handing it to them, now we
Speaker 2: got numbers, since nobody's just gonna let us be here,
Speaker 2: the only way to do this is by force. So
Speaker 2: them dudes made a military. Now it's time to scrap
Speaker 2: for it. But as you know, this is still a
Speaker 2: British outpost. Finally, Britain's like, okay, listen, I'm done with
Speaker 2: all this. When were we gonna do? Y'all get that part,
Speaker 2: y'all get that part. They created the partition, but they said,
Speaker 2: now y'all figure out what is what and.
Speaker 1: Who run this and all that, like I'm done.
Speaker 2: And there at that moment the birth of the nation
Speaker 2: of Israel, the lines created by Britain after they left
Speaker 2: in Palestine looking around here going man.
Speaker 1: What what just happened? Right now?
Speaker 2: And then, like I said in other you wasn't outside episodes,
Speaker 2: the rest of the Arab nations was like, oh hell no,
Speaker 2: like if they were the war immediately everybody jumped them.
Speaker 1: Egret, everybody jump it was like.
Speaker 2: And then and look Israel one like like they just.
Speaker 1: What did y'all do? Like who are you? Why are
Speaker 1: you get to be a nation?
Speaker 2: But that's what happened, and we still scrapping over it.
Speaker 2: Nation states again have more to do with the recognition
Speaker 2: of other nations and who gets to decide who gets
Speaker 2: what power and all this good stuff. I like we
Speaker 2: said borders are made up, they're drawn by conquerors. It's
Speaker 2: not don't let that fool you. The concept that has
Speaker 2: people out in the streets is the type of Zionism
Speaker 2: that has to do with the displacement of an indigenous
Speaker 2: population by force because you believe God wanted you here.
Speaker 2: That's one way to look at it. And that, my friend,
Speaker 2: it's just run of the mill imperialism. It's basic. Then
Speaker 2: there's the Zionism that says, like I said, I am
Speaker 2: preserving my culture. And then there's the Zionism that says,
Speaker 2: I am longing for a place for us to belong,
Speaker 2: a Zionism that is much more an idea of a
Speaker 2: promised land rather than the hostile takeover of a place
Speaker 2: where people already exist. Spiritual, religious, political, all of that
Speaker 2: in this one turn. So I am not going to
Speaker 2: tell you what to think of when you say Zionists,
Speaker 2: just like I don't know what to tell you what
Speaker 2: you think of when you say Christian But I tell
Speaker 2: you what it ain't what the rastas mean.
Speaker 1: And I tell you what if.
Speaker 2: You're sitting in Palestine right now, do it even matter
Speaker 2: hood politics?
Speaker 1: All right?
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