1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong, 2 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: but we tend to expect so much when we all 3 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: gather together at Christmas and Hanukkah, the holidays where all 4 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: families are united. How can one Christmas holiday go so wrong? 5 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I don't know why, I know, 6 00:00:50,200 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: I know me Okay, okay, okay. He came in through 7 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: the edge of the door and there's a tetocaster on 8 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: fighting't peep from when we thought. I heard the thought 9 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: that we were like topping and I was the store 10 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: where they work for. We all and were sted panicking 11 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: and running. So we all go under the venroom. Some 12 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: of us do. A couple must. I don't know who. 13 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: My mom pausing on the man the fire there. Okay, 14 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: what are you wearing? Please? What is you wearing? What 15 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: is you wearing on? You? Chase catcaus close? Okay, let 16 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: me know what he's wearing? Black close. So the guy 17 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: that intruded was wearing a Santa suit. What does this mean? 18 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: We have to turn on the burglar alarm and make 19 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: sure all the doors and windows are locked. When we 20 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: gather around the Christmas tree, take a listen to this height? 21 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: How literallyally house two houses down on the Google, I 22 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: can't at your house? What do you think you're okay? 23 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: And how impy do you? Guy? How impy do you think? Play? 24 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: Probably like you? They're right now an ex brother in 25 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 1: law and a Santa suit wreaking havoc? And why when 26 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: the woman is clearly beside herself is the nine one 27 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: one dispatch saying well, what is he to you? They 28 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: need to let the victim know there is help on 29 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: the way. I didn't hear that. Let me introduce you 30 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: an all star panel to break it down and put 31 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: it back together again with me. Twenty seven years metro 32 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: major case and SWAT now lawyer James shell Nut at 33 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: Shelnut Law Firm dot com. We're now New York psychologists 34 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: joining us from Manhattan. Karen Stark at Karen Stark dot com. 35 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: Robert Crispin former Fort Lauderdale Police, now private investigator at 36 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: Crispin Investigations dot com. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author 37 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Now the start 38 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: of a brand new program, Poisonous Liaisons on the True 39 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 1: Crime Network. Joseph Scott Morgan Death investigator. But first to 40 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo, lead, a news anchor at Orlando News WDBO, 41 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: to all of you, thank you for being with us. 42 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: First of all, when we're hearing that nine one one call, 43 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: what day of the year was it, Ray Kaputo, Nancy? 44 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: It was minutes before Christmas to day, just minutes the 45 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: call came in around eleven fifty on Christmas Eve. And 46 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: you can just imagine what people are doing around that time, 47 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: you know, to getting ready to bring in the holiday, 48 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: and you know it's the farthest thing from anybody's mind, 49 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: a horror like this could take place, you know, on 50 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: Christmas Eve just minutes before Christmas Day. You know, Jackie, 51 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: I want to hear that sam that you just played 52 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: one more time, the nine one one call. We learn 53 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: a lot in this listen. Hello, ho height literally literally 54 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: in your house down on the Google at your house. 55 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: I don't think your name it? Okay? And how I 56 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: do you? Guys who IMPI for you? You an't think 57 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: you play it? Probably like you they're through right now? Okay? 58 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: One second, okay? A Christmas Eve party turned crime scene. 59 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Terry Aquita at CBS A Christmas 60 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: Eve party became a crime scene. The bodies inside so 61 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: badly burned that police were uns sure if the victims 62 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 1: died in the shooting rampage or the subsequent fire. Extremely 63 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: unusual and very shocking. It's just not something we see 64 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: here in any time of the year, especially during Christmas. 65 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: Police say forty five year old Bruce Pardo was having 66 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: marital problems. He walked into the party dressed as Santa 67 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: just before midnight, then immediately took aim with a handgun 68 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: at his estranged wife, her mother, father, sisters, brother, and 69 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: sister in law. One family member reportedly escaped by jumping 70 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: out a bathroom window. The home is in Covina, a 71 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: suburb about twenty five miles east of Los Angeles. Police 72 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: say Pardo then allegedly used some sort of explosive device 73 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: to set the house on fire. So, based on what 74 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: we're hearing right there, there is no doubt that this 75 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: was premeditated because he, according to what we just heard, 76 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: if that has to be believed, goes to the home 77 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: of a Christmas Eve gathering of his ex family members, 78 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: the ex in laws, and open fire. So he goes 79 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: in with explosive and a gun to ray Kaputo, Lead 80 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: news anchor W dbo Orlando. Whose home was it? Nancy? 81 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: This was the home of Bruce Pardo's ex wife's parents, 82 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: but his ex wife was also staying in the home, 83 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: and then all of her family was there. There was 84 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: twenty five people in the home and they were pretty 85 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: much all related to his ex wife, the parents, the 86 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: brothers and sisters, niece's nephews. There was twenty five people 87 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: in that house. You know, I'm picking up on something. 88 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: I just heard. It said a forty five year old 89 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: white male with marital problems. But everyone is referring to 90 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: the victims as family of his ex So it sounds 91 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: to me like the divorce is a done deal. Was 92 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: the divorce over, Ray Kaputo. It was over Nancy literally 93 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: a week before all this happened. So he's not still 94 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: having marital problems. He's angry. He's angry. I mean, you know, 95 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: to you James shell Nutt, twenty seven years Metro major 96 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: case swat Now lawyer, how many times do we see 97 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: violence and breakout over a domestic issue. But their divorce 98 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: was done. They weren't in the middle of a heated 99 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: custody dispute or fighting over money. It was over yeah, 100 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's never any you know, you know, looking 101 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: back at you investigating homicides over the years, you know, divorce, 102 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: marital domestic issues. You know, that is one of the 103 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: top motives for murder, never justified, but it often can 104 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: be linked back to those things, especially when you have 105 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: a husband and wife that comes up missing for dead. 106 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: But this is seisnic. I mean, he's not just stalking 107 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: her and watching it. When she goes to the grocery store, 108 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: he comes in. If these reports are to believe, and 109 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: unleash's pure h double l on her whole family. Four 110 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: minutes Christmas. This is Christmas Eve and a suburban area 111 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: in Covina, California. Take a listen to Bill Whittaker at CBS. 112 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: When police and fire crews arrived just before midnight, the 113 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: house on the quiet cul de Sac was engulfed in flames. 114 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: Police responding to frantic nine one one calls found people 115 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: running for their lives and heard descriptions of the nightmare inside. 116 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: They were told that a person had come to the 117 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: house dressed in a Santa Claus outfit, and upon entering 118 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,599 Speaker 1: the house, had opened fire on the person's attending a 119 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: Christmas Eve celebration. On first book, inspectors reported finding three 120 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: charred corpses. In daylight, three more bodies were found. Three 121 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: people are still unaccounted for. Our officers are on the 122 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: scene within three minutes, and as you can imagine, they 123 00:08:51,600 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: were met with just a scene that was indescribable. Crime 124 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace, we are talking about a Christmas 125 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: Eve celebration that turns deadly, multiple dead bodies. And how 126 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 1: is it that a guy dressed as Santa gets into 127 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: home but when the police he's got a gun. But 128 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: when police get there, the bodies are charred. How did 129 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: that happen? It's my understanding that he actually had a 130 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: flame thrower. Now, I don't know if any of you 131 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: are familiar with flame throwers. You know, growing up as 132 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: a little girl, I never thought I would be in 133 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: a business where I'd be intimately familiar with flame throwers. 134 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: But here I am, and yes, I am familiar with them. 135 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: If you haven't seen Tarantinos Once upon a Time in Hollywood, okay, 136 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: flamethrowers take a very big role in Tarantino's movie. Let 137 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,599 Speaker 1: me go back to you, shell Nut, because you have 138 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: experience with flame throwers explain what they are. Well, whenever 139 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: you have a flammable liquid or substance and you put 140 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: it a guest a fire, it's going to going to 141 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: explode or catch fire. We all know that. But with 142 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: a flame floor, there's a there's another element. With a flamethrower. 143 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: You mix compressed gas with the combustible liquid or the 144 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: combustible powder, and the compressed gas shoots the flammable liquid 145 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: or powder through a tube and it can shoot it 146 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: fifteen thirty forty five sometimes sixty seventy five feet and 147 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: that makes it extremely deadly. And then when the flame, 148 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: when the combustible substance hits whatever is at the end 149 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: of that path, it continues to burn. To you, Justice's 150 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: got Morgan, professor forensics, jacksonvill State University and death investigator. 151 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: You know, a flamethrower, while it looked really cool and 152 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: once upent a time in Hollywood, is almost unparalleled in 153 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: the destruction it causes. Why, Yeah, it is, And like 154 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: James was mentioning just a moment ago, once that flame 155 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: hits the targeted area, it's almost like it's not quite 156 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: but it's similar to the effect that like napalm had 157 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: in Vietnam, where you have this gelagenous flaming mass that adheres. 158 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: This is pumping out this compressed flame at such a 159 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: rate that anything the body literally ignites, and certainly the 160 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: clothing will on the individual and begin to burn the body. Essentially, Nancy, 161 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 1: now hold onto your hat becomes a fuel source for 162 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: this flame and the person begins to burn. That's why 163 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: we use them extensively, extensively in World War Two, we 164 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: would hook them up to our tanks. Guys carried them 165 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: on their backs, and that was to eradicate pillboxes where 166 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: enemy soldiers were hunkered down in there and you could 167 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 1: blast them out of there. People are terrified of fired names. Yeah, 168 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: I guess so. And how far did you say the 169 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: flames would go? Shall not? You know, it depends on 170 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: the gas that's being used in the pressure in it. 171 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: You know, if there's something like a basic fire extinguisher 172 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: that you're using to propel this propelling out, it can 173 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: be twenty to thirty feet. If you have a large 174 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: gas cylinder with compressed gas, it can go as far 175 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: as a hundred feet. And unlike using a weapon, say 176 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: a handgun or even a long gun, you don't have 177 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: to have perfect aim because when you pull the trigger 178 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: on a flamethrower, the flame is continuous. It doesn't shoot 179 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: one bullet. It's a continuous spray if you want it 180 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: to be a homemade flamethrower. Is that where we're talking about? 181 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: Ray Kapeter, Was it a homemade flamethrower? Yeah, Nancy, it 182 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: was really crude. I've seen pictures of it, and it's 183 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: kind of like a pro pain tank, something that you 184 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: would put on a grill on your patio. But then 185 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: it had something it looked like a fire extinguisher rigged 186 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: to the top of it and pointing outward. So it 187 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: looked really crude. But unfortunately, apparently it did the trick 188 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: and it it spit fuel all over this house. And 189 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: here was the thing too, is that it just wasn't 190 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: any ordinary fuel. He was using race fuel, which has 191 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: a higher octane meaning, you know, like race car engines 192 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,479 Speaker 1: need more energy, so the fuel is just more more combustionable. 193 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: Just you know, I've done to every diabolical detail. You know, 194 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: this guy wanted to inflict the most amount of race 195 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: car fuel. Where would you even get that, I don't know. 196 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: He was an electrical engineer, so he probably knew how 197 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: to get his hands on things that you know, someone 198 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: like me doesn't know how to But but race car 199 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: fuel isn't you know, it's not illegal to have. But he, 200 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:00,599 Speaker 1: because of his background, I knew how to get his 201 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: hands on things. Guys, we are talking about really an 202 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 1: unsurpassed Christmas tragedy, all because of one person, and we 203 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: believe his name to be Bruce A Parto, a forty 204 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: five year old white male. His divorce had been final 205 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: one week on Christmas Eve, he shows up where his 206 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: wife is living at her parents' home and unleash his pure. 207 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: He double l with a homemade flame thrower. Take a 208 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: listen to our friend Bill Whittaker at CBS. Switnesses told 209 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: police the shooter was this man, forty five year old 210 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: Bruce Jeffrey Pardo. At first, police had little to go on. Parly, 211 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: we know that mister Pardo is going through some type 212 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: of marital problems and we believe that this residence is 213 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: a relatives residence. Police say Pardo started this fire withincendiary devices. 214 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: They say the twenty five partygoers bug Pardo, disguised as Santa, 215 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: was their traditional entertainment for the children. Once inside he 216 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: shot and wounded the eight year old girl who answered 217 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: the door, then started the killing and the fire, sending 218 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: survivors free, and they were just hysterical about their family 219 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: inside the house. Jason Schulma came out when he saw 220 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: his neighbor's house a blazes. The gal just kept saying, 221 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: he just came in and started shooting. He just came 222 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: in and started shooting. To Robert Crispin, a former police 223 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: officer and Fort Lauderdale now at Crispin's Investigations dot com 224 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: Crispin and Special Investigations, Robert, what kind of an uptick 225 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: do you see in cases around the holidays? Drastic drastic uptick, 226 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: because the holidays are a trigger. They're a trigger to 227 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: make you realize you don't have your family anymore, you 228 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: don't have your kids anymore. You gotta spund. I mean, 229 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: we don't know. I don't know what exactly happened as 230 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: far as his settlement in this case, but clearly he 231 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: was angry at the entire family. Hence why he went 232 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: to the mother's house and took out everybody in the 233 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: entire family and then to end it for his final 234 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: act to burn everybody, the ultimate burning of everybody for 235 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: the final goodbye for him, So not just shooting them 236 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: dead then setting them on fire. Many of them probably 237 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: still alive. To you, joice Scott Morgan, how can you 238 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: tell you're the death investigator? How can you tell when 239 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: you have to? You know? I remember Joe Scott getting 240 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: a text. It was a text. As I was getting 241 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: on a plane from New York to California for a 242 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: victim's rights march, I got a text there had been 243 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: a mass shooting at the Fulton County Courthouse where I prosecuted. 244 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: I got off the plane, took a cab to another 245 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: airport to catch a flight immediately home to Atlanta. My 246 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: best friend in the DA's office spent the next four days. 247 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: I think it was processing the scene. When you get 248 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: a scene like this, how do you process it? But 249 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,959 Speaker 1: my first question would be, how could you tell if 250 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 1: someone died from gunshot wound versus a flamethrower? Okay, let's 251 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: take the Let's take that first. With a flamethrower or 252 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: with any type of flame. One of the things we're 253 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: going to look for, obviously at autopsy. The simplest way 254 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: to do this is to see what debris is contained 255 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: in the airway and in the lungs, and that means 256 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: did the individual actually inhalate any kind of the noxious environment. 257 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: There's all kinds of nastiness that's created in this environment 258 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: when you're breathing in the air within, within this world 259 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: that's just blowing apart. Now, as far as the fatality 260 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: level you have to measure of this, you don't know, 261 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: first off, are you even going to be able to 262 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: tell if the individual was shot or not? Because this 263 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: is so complex and so stratified relative to the debris 264 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: that's there. You've got a house that's collapsing on itself, 265 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: and the body essentially begins to kind of meld into 266 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,719 Speaker 1: the environment. So the bodies have to be carefully x ray. 267 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: You have to look for these projectiles. You have to 268 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: examine the lungs very very carefully. Nancy Crime Stories with 269 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, we are talking about pure hell being unleased 270 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: on one family on Christmas Eve. I don't know what 271 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: it is about the holidays. They make me happy, but 272 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: for many people it's a sad time, a very sad time. 273 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: How did we go from a happy marriage to a 274 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: divorce that's final and one week later everybody is shot 275 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: to death or death by flame thrower. This is not 276 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: some Quentin Tarantino movie with Brad Pitt starring in it. 277 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: This is real, real people and real suffering. There on 278 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: Christmas Eve, the whole families together. It's four minutes till 279 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: Christmas morning, eleven fifty six, and everyone dies in a 280 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: hail of bullets and fire. But how did it all start? 281 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Crime Onlines John Limley. The year 282 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: Bruce Pardot and Sylvia Ortega married began with signs of 283 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: a bright future. He was an electrical engineer. She worked 284 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: as an administrative assist at a flower breeding company. Friends 285 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: say that Ortega was attracted to Bruce Parto's good looks 286 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: and his education. He was talkative and had a good 287 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: sense of humor. The wedding was in January, and the 288 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: couple moved into a home owned by the groom in Montrose, 289 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: about fifteen miles north of Los Angeles. The couples combined 290 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: yearly income of about one hundred and fifty thousand dollars 291 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: made it comfortable for them to live in Parto's half 292 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: million dollar home in a quiet cul de sac. From 293 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: a previous marriage, Ortega had three children, including a five 294 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: year old daughter, A big brown akita named Saki rounded 295 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: out the family. To Ye Ray Kaputo Ladies anchor Wdbo. 296 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: Were those children in the home when the bullets rang out? 297 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: I'd assumed so, Nancy, there there were a lot of 298 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: kids around that all the families were there. We know 299 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: that there were several children. We know that there was 300 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: an eight year old who shot in the face of 301 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: I don't know for Sermany, but I assume that there 302 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: was a lot of family members there. Did you say 303 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,719 Speaker 1: an eight year old was shot? Nancy? When a new 304 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: year old opens a door and see Santa Claus, you know, 305 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: you can just imagine their face lighting up. But shortly 306 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: after Bruce Pardo walked into that house, he pulled those 307 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: guns down. You can only imagine how that elation could 308 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: turn to complete horror for this little eight year old girl, Katrina. 309 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: And the only thing lucky about the situation was he 310 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: didn't kill her. He shot her in the face of 311 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: miraculous who the old girl survived? How did it go 312 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: from this happy marriage to think things looking so wonderful, 313 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: all settling in like the Brady Bunch together in a 314 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: new blended family, to this take a listen to John 315 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: Linley Crime Online. Sylvia Pardot's friends say things in the 316 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: marriage changed quickly. Pardeau confided that Bruce Pardot had become 317 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: indifferent to his new wife, and money was a problem, 318 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: not the lack of it, rather the idea of sharing it. 319 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: He insisted the couple keep their finances separate, refusing to 320 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: open a joint bank account. He also seemed to expect 321 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: her to provide for her three children without any assistance 322 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: from him. For Sylvia Pardoaut, the final straw was finding 323 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: taxpapers that showed Bruce had a son that he hadn't 324 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: told her about. Pardout denied it, but a call to 325 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: his mother confirmed it. Bruce Pardot had a severely disabled son. 326 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: The boy had almost drowned after falling into a pool 327 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: while Pardoaut was supposed to have been watching him. Sylvia 328 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: Pardout's best friend says she was devastated and asked for 329 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: a divorce. Bruce Pardot calmly moved her belongings to the 330 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: curb and told her to move out. And yet he's 331 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: angry over the divorce. I don't get it. But what 332 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 1: do we learn from divorce documents? Take a listen divorce 333 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: documents paint an ugly picture. Sylvia Pardoaut filed court papers 334 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: asking for attorney's fees and over three thousand dollars in 335 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: monthly spousal support. She claimed Bruce Pardeaux was transferring funds 336 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: from their savings to a private account. Bruce Pardoaut lost 337 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: his engineering job at a military defense supplier. Soon he 338 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: was asking a judge to have his ex wife pay 339 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: him support and cover his attorney's fees. He had complained 340 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: that his wife was living rent free with her parents 341 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: while he struggled. His court filing stated that he had 342 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: monthly expenses of eighty nine hundred dollars, had credit card debt, 343 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: and had a twenty seven hundred dollar monthly mortgage payment. 344 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: When the divorce was finalized, the judge ordered him to 345 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: pay Sylvia ten thousand dollars. So it boils down to 346 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: money he forgot to take in to add in factory 347 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: in that she is supporting all of her children and 348 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: has to go live with her parents when he moves 349 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: her stuff to the curb straight out to Karen Start, 350 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: New York psychologist. So he had always been very particular 351 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: about them keeping their money separate and was intent during 352 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: the marriage, that none of his money would go towards 353 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: supporting her or her children. I guess they were living 354 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: there with them. It sounds like that. Nancy don't have 355 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: the answer for whether the children were living there, But 356 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: I have to tell you that he really fits the 357 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: profile of that kind of a mass murderer where it's 358 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: the holiday season and he perfectly chose Christen Steve. I'm 359 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: sure of it, and that Santa suit. He wanted everyone 360 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: together and he wanted to mock the holiday. He wanted 361 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,479 Speaker 1: to take them by surprise. And if you look at 362 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: the factors fired from his job to divorce, the fact 363 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: that she found out about his son, that he was 364 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: there when the sun was injured. Never could recover from that. 365 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: So there's humiliation, shane, guilt, depression. And it was very planned. 366 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: This wasn't a snack attack. He thought this out very carefully, 367 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: with the guns, with the flamethrower. Yeah. The other thing 368 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: about it, when Karen starts talking about he how he 369 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: planned it out, This wasn't a spur of the moment. 370 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: I'm angry because our divorce is final and I'm alone, 371 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: and it wasn't like that at all, Because what does 372 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: it take to actually build a flamethrower. This is a 373 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: homemade flamethrower. He had to build it, dress up like 374 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: Santa and show up at his ex in law's home. 375 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: Does anybody on the panel know how to build a flamethrower? 376 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: I'm guessing shell Nut, Crispin or Morgan would know that. 377 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: Any guys any idea how to build one? There's a lot. 378 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: There's books on the internet. You can buy a book 379 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: on the internet that I'm embarrassed to say I know 380 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: how to make a Molotov cocktail, much less a flamethrower. 381 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: Go ahead, shall Nut, and you know what, don't be 382 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: proud that you know the answer to this. Go ahead. 383 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: There's books on the internet that tell you how to 384 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: do this. You can buy these books for like twenty 385 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: twenty five bucks. It will actually tell you what item 386 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: numbers to order off Amazon or order offline, and it 387 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: will show you step by step how to make it. 388 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: I think I think I looked at the cost of 389 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: building one ordering all new parts like four hundred and 390 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: something dollars when I was researching this, And so anyone, 391 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: what do you need for a flame thrower? I know 392 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: how to go to Amazon. Here's all you need. You 393 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: need a tank that has compressed gas, whether it's carbon 394 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: dioxide or nitrogen um. You need a ignition source, which 395 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: you know he used race fuel, but some people use 396 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: kerosene or gasoline, and you need that propellant gas to 397 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: force that flammable. If would throw a tube across an 398 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: ignition source, and and that's it. You know, it's amazing 399 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: to me that when she's when Karen said, Karen Starks said, 400 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: this took time. You know it really did. Robert Crispin, 401 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: you know, when cops get to Pardo's home, they're gonna 402 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: find everything they need to show. He had a homemade 403 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: flame thrower. Everything's going to be there, Crispin, the whole 404 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: road maps to be there. Everything's going to be inside 405 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: that house. This was very well calculated, very well orchestrated, 406 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: and very well carried out. He need satisfaction. Crime Stories 407 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, we were talking about holiday, a 408 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: Christmas holiday turned tragic. When we're talking about Pardo and 409 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: how he planned this mass murder that goes down at 410 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: his ex wife's parents home where she's living. How did 411 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: he plan it, how did he pull it off? Take 412 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: a listen to the Cavina Police. This happened about eleven 413 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: thirty pm on Christmas Eve. There was a family party 414 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: being held at the residence on Noel crast attended by 415 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: about twenty five people. That appear that mister Pardo drove 416 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: the location and parked his car in the driveway one 417 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: house east. At the party, he was dressed in a 418 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: Santa suit and brought with him a homemade device which 419 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: will release pictures of that later for the press. Device 420 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: basically consisted of two tanks, one which contained either auction 421 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: or CO two and the other, smaller tank appeared to 422 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: contain racing fuel. Take a list to more what the 423 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: chief has to say. He walked up to the door. 424 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: Once he knocked on the door, rang the doorbell and 425 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: gained entrance. He immediately was confronted with an eight year 426 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: old child who thought Santa Claus had come to the house. 427 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: He shot her once in the face and then proceeded 428 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: inside the residence. Mister Pardo was armed with four handguns 429 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: when he went into the residence. All four handguns have 430 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: been recovered and the best of our belief, as of 431 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: right now, all guns were empty. As he went into 432 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: the house, he began shooting at the partygoers, again indiscriminally, 433 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: it appears that he did have some intended targets, those 434 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: being the family members an immediate family of his ex wife. 435 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: Once the shooting stopped, it appeared that he then retrieved 436 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: the homemade device, activated that, and went through the house, 437 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: basically delivering that and releasing a gas paper inside the 438 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: house too. Karen, start your psychologists, joining us from Manhattan 439 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: at karen start dot com. Karen, why is it? What 440 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: is it about the holidays that make so many people 441 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: angry or sad? But let's just start with angry. Well, 442 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: everything was exacerbated around the holidays, Nancy. There's even a term, 443 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: you know, holiday depression. And in this case, this guy 444 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: took his sadness and projected it outward. And the reason 445 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: it's so intense and exacerbated around the holidays is that 446 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: people have this image this picture post guides, you know, 447 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: perfect image of families getting together, everybody enjoying themselves. And 448 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: so if you're alone, if you're not with a family, 449 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: if you're already feeling terrible, it's all going to be 450 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: increased around the holidays. I'm just thinking about how his 451 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: anger over the divorce, I mean, what did he think 452 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: was going to happen when his wife finds out he's 453 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: got a son he never told her about that, He 454 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: refuses to help her, support her family or support her. 455 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: She has nowhere to go when he moves her stuff 456 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: out onto the street. What did he think was going 457 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: to happen when he treated her that way? And I'm 458 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: not saying she was a saint, but I know this, 459 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: She certainly did not deserve the death penalty, nor did 460 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: the others. Her name, Sylvia Ortega Pardo, her mother Alicia 461 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: Saltomayor Ortega, her father Joseph Ortega, her brother Charles, her 462 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: sister Sherry Lynn, James, Teresa, Alicia, Michael Andre all dead, 463 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: and an eight year old little girl shot in the face. 464 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: Take a listen to John Mane with Aardo barged in 465 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: on the party Christmas Eve clad in a Santa suit 466 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: which he bought from a designer. You know, when I 467 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: first heard it, I knew he was wearing a Santa suit, 468 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: and I knew who he was because they had seen 469 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: him but more than one time. But I didn't think 470 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: anything of it until they were saying that he used 471 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: the Santa suit and he puts stuff in the Santa 472 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: suit by guns and whatever he used, And then it 473 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: kind of freaked me out, thinking that maybe he had 474 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: already planned this for a long time. Jerry diod says 475 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: Pardo appeared to be a decent man. He had bought 476 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: and rented from her costume store before, he had even 477 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: shared a family picture with her from Halloween. And like 478 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: I say, he stopped here, he'd ushered at the church 479 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: across the street. He stopped here a couple of times, 480 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: knocked on the door and said, Hi, how are you? 481 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: How's your dog? And mine's fine, you know, and you know, 482 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: just just a nice dog. Did you hear that? An 483 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: usher at the church? A great neighbor that would stop 484 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: in to check on neighbors. How did everything go so 485 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: wrong at that Christmas event on Christmas Eve? Back to you, right, Kiputo, 486 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: Lead news anchor Wdbo. What more can you tell us? 487 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: Only I see Bruce Pardo is a scary guy. He 488 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: was never in trouble with the law, you know, no 489 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: history of violence. And I might state an unpopular opinion 490 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: here if none of the killing of her happened, some 491 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: people might even feel a little bad for him because 492 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: he was married a short period of time, he's forced 493 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: to cough up all this money and his life starts unraveling. 494 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,479 Speaker 1: And when we were talking about planning, Nancy, this guy 495 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: was planning a six months in advance. He bought his 496 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: first gun in June before this happened. That was around 497 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: the time that he was ordered to pay money, and 498 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: every other month he bought another handgun. And then he 499 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: had that that canna suit me. This was something six 500 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: months in the making that he had many chances to 501 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: pull out, of, many chances to say, you know what, 502 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: this isn't a good idea, but he still went along 503 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: with it. And I'm just speechless. This is one of 504 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: the most hateful crimes I've ever had to talk about. Well, 505 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: I'm glad you ended with that computer, because it sounded 506 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: to me like you were feeling badly for him because 507 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: he had to cough up ten grand. You know what, 508 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: it would have been a lot cheaper if you're talking 509 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: about money. To just be nice to your wife and 510 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: don't be a big fat liar and then end up 511 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: getting divorced over it. That's my advice. You know, I 512 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: could never do your job here and start not a 513 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: million years people come women all the time goes? Should 514 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: I stay with him like no break up? Move on, 515 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: cut your losses, find somebody better, don't torture yourself. Quit 516 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: calling him. Stop stop now. I mean I would have 517 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: told this guy prompto if he had asked, what you didn't? 518 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: You know what you don't want to pay ten grand? 519 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: Then clean up your act, be a loving husband, shape 520 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: for Pete's sake. I would give my husband anything, anything 521 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: I could possibly give him. I love him, and say 522 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: for my children even more so. So I don't get 523 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: how he could be angry. He had to, as Ray 524 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: Kaputo said, cough up, Tan Grant, he should have thought 525 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: about that when he was lying to his wife and 526 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: refusing to help her. It's not his nature, Nancy. This 527 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: is somebody who's very resentful. And remember he walked away 528 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: from a child who was in a swimming a pool 529 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: accident while I'm his watch, and he didn't keep staying 530 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: involved with his son, making sure he was okay. He 531 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: was forced to pay money, and then he walked away 532 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: and wanted to act as though it never existed. So 533 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: you're not talking about somebody who just could act nice, 534 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: share It's not the kind of person that you're married too, 535 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: that's for sure. You know. With my husband, I always 536 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: feel like I'm the one that got the be prize. 537 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: You know. It just hurts me to see the family 538 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: breaking apart, what she went through and then both she 539 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: and her whole family is wiped out, including an eight 540 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: year old little girl that gets shot in the face. 541 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: Listen to what we learned about this flame throw where 542 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: he made this is Cavina Police Chief Kim Rainey. Device 543 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: basically consisted of two tanks, one which contained either auction 544 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: or CO two and the other smaller tank appeared to 545 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: contain racing fuel. There was a homemade device that was 546 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: basically built where once he mixed those two items he 547 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: would turn into a vapor or atomize and he was 548 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: able to deliver that inside the residents. And speaking of 549 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: having to quote cough up ten grant, according to Ray Kaputo, 550 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,479 Speaker 1: I disagree. Take a listen to John Moon with ap 551 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: Bruce and Sylvia Hardo had just finished a better divorce. 552 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: The forty three year old woman was hoping for better times, 553 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: says her friend Roxanne Harrogie. What did she have that 554 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: he could have wanted? Jin she came home, But they're 555 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 1: closed in her car and her kids. Literally, he had 556 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: the house, he had the cars. I mean, what could 557 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: she What could he have wanted? Sylvia had even invited 558 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: Roxande to her family's Christmas party this year. Um times 559 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: changed for us at the last minute because my parents 560 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: came to visit, so we couldn't go. Our thoughts and 561 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: prayers now with the family of those that died that 562 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: Christmas Eve. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off good bye friend.