Speaker 1: What's up, everybody.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Bucco Territory, presented to
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Speaker 2: as always is my good palent co host Platinum Ke
Speaker 2: aka Mark. Josh will join the show later for his
Speaker 2: weekly segment, Jay Hey, Now, he's doing a little traveling
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Speaker 1: Got a good show for you today. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about Jared Jones. Should they have pulled him? Should they
Speaker 1: not have pulled him? Who knows? We're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Carmen Machinski as well. He's good.
Speaker 2: Some guys in the starting rotation aren't good. Should they
Speaker 2: flip spots or should they maybe just use him like
Speaker 2: a really good relief picture should be used. And then
Speaker 2: we will round out the show, as I said, with
Speaker 2: Josh Harrison's weekly segment, Jay Hey Now, but.
Speaker 1: Mark, I'll we got to start off with probably.
Speaker 2: I mean, there was a lot of interesting stuff that
Speaker 2: took place, so much a historic effort by Ryan O'Hearn,
Speaker 2: which we'll talk about later.
Speaker 1: In the show, Paul Skeen snapped a losing streak. That
Speaker 1: was big.
Speaker 2: Mitch Keller continues to struggle Carmen Macginski probably not being
Speaker 2: used correctly.
Speaker 1: Jake Meyham hit a home run. I mean, everything was
Speaker 1: going on, but yeah, yeah, probably the most interesting thing
Speaker 1: that happened, aside from maybe O'Hearn. That was pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: Jared Jones became the first pitcher in Major League Baseball
Speaker 2: to throw six perfect innings, leave a game and not
Speaker 2: be the winning pitcher.
Speaker 1: Uh what?
Speaker 2: Eighteen up eighteen ninety, struck out eight batters. His velocity was,
Speaker 2: as he likes to say, fn electric.
Speaker 1: He tried his best.
Speaker 2: To avoid Don Kelly to get that you know that
Speaker 2: that yank from the game, but it happened. Mark, you're
Speaker 2: a fan, you know you're you're you're watching this with
Speaker 2: your heart on your sleeve. What were you thinking when
Speaker 2: that decision was made?
Speaker 3: Yeah, initial reaction was, what the hell are we doing?
Speaker 3: Why are we pulling this guy with a perfect game.
Speaker 3: It's like we just said, the only twenty sometimes that
Speaker 3: perfect games have been thrown. You gotta give the guy
Speaker 3: a shot, right, And then I took a minute, you know,
Speaker 3: cooled down a little bit and realized that, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is a guy who is just coming back from
Speaker 3: elbow surgery not been stretched out to the length that
Speaker 3: it would have required to finish that game. He was
Speaker 3: at seventy seven pitches through six, which, yeah, that's really
Speaker 3: really good. But for Jared Jones Sanders, that's right at
Speaker 3: the upper limit. I could see the argument, maybe send
Speaker 3: him back out for one more inning, But at the
Speaker 3: same time, is it worth the risk if you know
Speaker 3: already that he's not going to go nine? I think
Speaker 3: it would have been interesting to see if this was
Speaker 3: someone else in the rotation that was perfect through six,
Speaker 3: to see how like obviously I think that wouldn't have Yeah,
Speaker 3: they would have pulled him, right, So yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: just because it's scared. You don't want to hurt him.
Speaker 3: I didn't have any issue with it, but it was frustrating,
Speaker 3: especially when the very next batter comes up to the
Speaker 3: plate and picks up a hit off of Mason Montgomery.
Speaker 3: Just the icing on the cake there for that. What
Speaker 3: do you think was that the right call there?
Speaker 2: By? Don Kelly, it's the boring call. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 2: the fun call. But sometimes when you're in charge, you
Speaker 2: have to make tough decisions. I think the big takeaway
Speaker 2: I have on this decision was was he going to
Speaker 2: be going nine innings?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: And he just wasn't. So what they did was getting
Speaker 1: ahead of something.
Speaker 2: Because if you let him go back out for the
Speaker 2: seventh and he throws fifteen more pitches but still has
Speaker 2: a perfect game, then it becomes an even bigger thing.
Speaker 2: And and if you just knew, like and no scenario
Speaker 2: is Jared Jones gonna throw a hundred pitches like he
Speaker 2: just he was going to hit one hundred pitches if
Speaker 2: you let him throw three more innings. So if that's
Speaker 2: the plan, you stick to the plan. You live and
Speaker 2: die by the plan. And I hate it. I hate it,
Speaker 2: like it's boring. I want to see a perfect game.
Speaker 2: Jared Jones deserves that opportunity. But that's the type of
Speaker 2: baseball that's being played today, and especially with Jones.
Speaker 1: Two things can be true.
Speaker 2: It can be the right decision, and it also can
Speaker 2: be the frustrating and boring and you know, not old school,
Speaker 2: and like, I get why everyone's frustrated by it. And
Speaker 2: it's even more frustrating that their bullpen lost than that game, right,
Speaker 2: They also didn't score a run, so it couldn't matter,
Speaker 2: you know, And it is what it is, like Jared
Speaker 2: Jones knows going into pretty much every game how far
Speaker 2: of a leash he has, and he probably exceeded that leash.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He mentioned post game he was only supposed to go
Speaker 3: five and they let him go sick, so they'd already
Speaker 3: let him go one inning more than expected. And I
Speaker 3: really liked what Don Kelly said in the post game
Speaker 3: after about talking about justifying the decision. He said, our
Speaker 3: priority is health, winning and player accomplishments like personal accomplishments,
Speaker 3: in that order. And I think that's the right way
Speaker 3: to do it, especially because, I mean, we just saw
Speaker 3: Andy Rodriguez get hurt. We've seen Connor Griffin get hurt,
Speaker 3: we have Spencer Horwitz out, we have on Neil Cruz out.
Speaker 3: Injuries are very, very frustrating, a lot more frustrating than
Speaker 3: a missed opportunity at a perfect game. I would be
Speaker 3: livid if Jerry went out there and then his shoulder, yeah, yeah, something,
Speaker 3: I mean, way more so. And you just can't risk
Speaker 3: that with how valuable Jared Jones is to this team
Speaker 3: right now, especially with as we're going to get into
Speaker 3: here soon Mitch Keller's struggles continuing, So I go ahead.
Speaker 2: No, I was just gonna say, like again, it sucks.
Speaker 2: It sucks that it happened to Jared. It sucks that
Speaker 2: the way the game ended. I get it, but that's
Speaker 2: just the way it goes. Like yeah, and you know,
Speaker 2: odds are I mean odds are he wasn't a gonna
Speaker 2: finish the perfect game because just he deserves an opportunity, right,
Speaker 2: but there's only been like twenty seven of them ever,
Speaker 2: so who knows. But he deserved the opportunity. But at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, that extra workload could come
Speaker 2: back to bite him, like and everyone will say, oh,
Speaker 2: one another twenty pitches who knows?
Speaker 1: Who knows? And it could have been fine, It could have.
Speaker 2: But I'm a fan of when you have a plan,
Speaker 2: especially when you're dealing with an asset like Jared Jones,
Speaker 2: which could be so valuable.
Speaker 1: He's already dealt with injuries. Just stick to the plan.
Speaker 1: Stick to the plan.
Speaker 2: If you deviate from this plan, what other plans are
Speaker 2: you going to deviate from? And again, I don't expect
Speaker 2: a lot of the people listening to this to agree
Speaker 2: with me.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not fun.
Speaker 2: It's not fun, and it resulted in a loss. But
Speaker 2: the longer that went on and less and less, there
Speaker 2: was something in that plan that said, if he's under
Speaker 2: this amount of pitches, he can go the whole game.
Speaker 2: If that was a part of the plan, then scratch
Speaker 2: everything I've said.
Speaker 1: But I don't. I mean, they said he was only
Speaker 1: supposed to go five. They let him go further what
Speaker 1: he was supposed.
Speaker 2: To And so unless you're gonna let him keep going
Speaker 2: all the way through, regardless of pitch count or if
Speaker 2: it stays under one hundred, whatever, then none of this matters.
Speaker 2: You're just you're just pushing it back and making the
Speaker 2: moment more frustrating or awkward. And I guess, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe if he if he goes out there in the
Speaker 2: seventh and allows a single and then you go pull him,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would have understand or understood.
Speaker 2: But it is what it is. It's not why they lost.
Speaker 2: And I mean it's at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: it's the best Jared Jones.
Speaker 3: I was just about to say it. Yeah, it completely
Speaker 3: eclipsed how good Jared Jones looked, how efficient he was
Speaker 3: pitching the contact when he wanted to, but also getting
Speaker 3: a ton of whiffs to get those strikeouts. It just
Speaker 3: it looks like early twenty twenty four Jery Jones all
Speaker 3: over again. That dominance. That just he felt so in
Speaker 3: control of every battery that stepped in the plate. It
Speaker 3: felt like he had an advantage before even threw a pitch.
Speaker 3: So I love that. I want to see more of it,
Speaker 3: and I believe we will, so looking forward to that.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna take a quick break when we
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Speaker 1: All right. Mark.
Speaker 2: Mitch Keller pitched again on Thursday. He lost again on Thursday.
Speaker 2: He couldn't get to the fourth inning. It was bad,
Speaker 2: high pitch count. He's just not been effective. That's issue
Speaker 2: number one. Issue number two is they have a better
Speaker 2: starting pitcher right now than Mitch Keller. He's also their
Speaker 2: best reliever and then really not using him in either
Speaker 2: of those roles. A lot of people are frustrated with
Speaker 2: how Krmen Macjinski's season is gone, despite his numbers being
Speaker 2: pretty good. He's been one of the more effective relievers
Speaker 2: in baseball since they moved him to the bullpen. He
Speaker 2: was one of their better starting pitchers while he was
Speaker 2: in the starting rotation, but he's not being used in
Speaker 2: high leverage.
Speaker 1: Let's start there.
Speaker 2: Yep. What are your thoughts on how they've used him?
Speaker 2: I mean, do you get what they're doing? Do you
Speaker 2: have a problem with it? Let me hear what you
Speaker 2: have to say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was perplexed, to put it lightly or nicely,
Speaker 3: by bringing Keller in when you're up ten to two.
Speaker 3: I didn't understand that, because, yeah, you want to eat
Speaker 3: some innings up there, But we have other relievers in
Speaker 3: the bullpen that you can burn there that start for
Speaker 3: them and go to them instead. And we saw it
Speaker 3: like if we could have gone to Karmen Maginsky maybe
Speaker 3: instead of Mason Montgomery or something, would Wednesday's game have
Speaker 3: gone any differently. And but the fact that Karmen's just
Speaker 3: not available for those kind of appearances as like your
Speaker 3: normal reliever, it's just it feels like it's hamstringing this
Speaker 3: bullpen even more, where you have a guy who's great,
Speaker 3: but you can only use him in certain spots or something.
Speaker 3: I don't. It's just very very confusing. I didn't agree
Speaker 3: with bringing him in on for the skiing start, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it's bullpen management's tough. But that was a
Speaker 3: weird one for me. What do you think?
Speaker 2: I mean, it makes me wonder if they're like intentionally
Speaker 2: doing this so he stays stretched out, like they're not
Speaker 2: pitching them on back to back days like they don't,
Speaker 2: like if there's just an agreement, like hey, and I'm
Speaker 2: not insinuating that this is the case. I'm not reporting anything.
Speaker 2: It's just more like, you know, we all know he
Speaker 2: wants to be a starter. It seems like they're doing
Speaker 2: everything they can to keep him in starter shape, either
Speaker 2: for when they need a rotation spot to be filled
Speaker 2: or if you know, maybe they said they were gonna
Speaker 2: move him again, not reporting that, not suggesting that's reality,
Speaker 2: just kind of floating that out there, like maybe maybe
Speaker 2: that's how this got resolved and they got him to
Speaker 2: do his job. Was like it will trade you. It's
Speaker 2: just we got to get it done, and so they're
Speaker 2: trying to stretch him out, like but other than that,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know the logic behind how they're
Speaker 2: using him. Especially like the Skis thing that if you
Speaker 2: wanted to get him out there just to get some
Speaker 2: run for him, like have him throw one inning, that's fine,
Speaker 2: but there's there's just no reason why you're not using
Speaker 2: him as a high leverage arm. He's your best right
Speaker 2: hander in the bullpen and it's not particularly close.
Speaker 1: So and if.
Speaker 2: You don't want to use him as a high leverage arm,
Speaker 2: then he should be in the bullpen, or he should
Speaker 2: be in the rotation, and Mitch Keller should be moved
Speaker 2: back to the bullpen.
Speaker 1: We're at that point where Carmon Majinsky is just.
Speaker 2: Too valuable, valuable of a player to be used in
Speaker 2: the way they're using him right now.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: And maybe they're just waiting till the All Star break
Speaker 2: to kind of reshuffle the pieces here.
Speaker 1: I would hope that that's.
Speaker 2: The case, because again, he's one of the more valuable
Speaker 2: pitchers on this staff and this reduced role.
Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes when you pitch him in Balk it makes.
Speaker 2: Sense like if he would have had him follow Jones,
Speaker 2: maybe they could have just thrown a hole exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've seen that before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I don't know, it just feels
Speaker 2: like they have not really maximized what he can provide
Speaker 2: in the bullpen, and so if you're not going to
Speaker 2: use him the right way, just make him a starter
Speaker 2: because he's better than some of the guys in their rotation.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look at Mitch Keller's last seven starts. He has
Speaker 3: a six point six y nine ear a, a one
Speaker 3: point sixty three whip and that's in thirty five innings pitch.
Speaker 3: He's allowed forty two hits in that stretch along with
Speaker 3: fifteen walks. It's just been tough to watch. And I
Speaker 3: think I had the exact same thought, where it's like
Speaker 3: the All Star break is coming at the perfect time,
Speaker 3: not just to get Mitch Keller right, maybe to switch
Speaker 3: up these roles and flip flop him and Carmen. I
Speaker 3: think it would benefit the team quite a bit. And
Speaker 3: I think Mitch is the kind of person and leader
Speaker 3: that he'll do whatever is best for this team willingly.
Speaker 3: I don't anticipate that being an issue. Keller just puts
Speaker 3: his head down and goes to work, So I don't
Speaker 3: think that he's gonna have a drama with like going
Speaker 3: to the B word or anything that we've seen in
Speaker 3: the past, So I mean, maybe he is. That would
Speaker 3: be quite digressing.
Speaker 1: You just got to tell someone to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, no one wants.
Speaker 2: To be in the bullpen, but at some point you
Speaker 2: just got to do it. So I hear everything else
Speaker 2: you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't mean interrupt.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, No one wants to go to the bullpen.
Speaker 1: We get it. Someone's got to do it, yep, because
Speaker 1: right now you just you don't have your best people in.
Speaker 3: And Mitch Keller has a contract. He's not, you know,
Speaker 3: in arbitration. He's not having that whole concern hanging over
Speaker 3: as cloud where it's like are you a stargut pitcher
Speaker 3: or your a leief pitcher. That's probably I think money
Speaker 3: is probably the biggest reason why Carmen's so apprehensive about it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's not a concern for Keller. But we'll see
Speaker 3: after the All Star Game. I don't think anything's going
Speaker 3: to really change before then.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: We're back with our weekly j hay Now segment. This
Speaker 7: y this week's segment is gonna actually highlight two players,
Speaker 7: and more specifically Ryan O'Hearn and Paul Skeins.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 7: First things first, Ryan O'Hearn, big ups to you. Record
Speaker 7: for RBIs in the game that was big time, three homers.
Speaker 7: One was a grand slam. Kind of hard to not
Speaker 7: highlight him with the hay Now segment. And all of
Speaker 7: that also came on Paul Skeen's start day, which the
Speaker 7: other day Noah said was important to win his two
Speaker 7: stars before the All Star break. So that first win
Speaker 7: is notched under the belt behind you know, a nice
Speaker 7: effort behind, but between Paul and uh Ryan O'Hearn himself.
Speaker 7: So uh, my weekly Jay hay Now segment highlights those
Speaker 7: two guys. And to finish that off last thing would
Speaker 7: be Sunday, Paul wanning a second start against the Brewers.
Speaker 7: You got a good chance of finishing home stand three
Speaker 7: and three according to know if we go when his
Speaker 7: two starts. So we got one under the belt thanks
Speaker 7: to Ron o'dhearn, thanks to Paul Skeins. So this week's
Speaker 7: Jay hay Now segment, big ups to Paul Skins and
Speaker 7: big ups to Ryan O'Hearn and the rest of the
Speaker 7: offense that also chipped in throughout this series and this weekend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with what he said.
Speaker 2: Just to build off of two things though, hearn thing,
Speaker 2: I just want to make a quick point that we
Speaker 2: could talk more about skins.
Speaker 1: O'Hearn's been such a slam dun signing.
Speaker 2: And while yes, the value there is obviously what Ryan
Speaker 2: O'Hearn's providing at the plate, you know, overall in the clubhouse,
Speaker 2: I think another big win for the Pirates is that
Speaker 2: Ryan O'Hearn's success in Pittsburgh shows other free agents, hey,
Speaker 2: you can come here and play well, because we hadn't
Speaker 2: seen that from a lot of free agents.
Speaker 1: Most of the people who came here, they signed here
Speaker 1: and they got.
Speaker 3: Worse starting picture. That's like a veteran Yeah, yes.
Speaker 1: So that could be a big win.
Speaker 2: I mean, they still have to pay quality talent. They
Speaker 2: have to They made obviously a really big effort to
Speaker 2: get O'Hearn, But.
Speaker 1: That's such a win. And even in.
Speaker 3: The fact that he's going to be in the fact
Speaker 3: that he's going to be on this roster as well
Speaker 3: next year, I mean that's further encouragement to free agents saying, hey,
Speaker 3: you have protection in this lineup. Now you can succeed here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know they're still not going to be
Speaker 2: able to go out and get the one Soto's and
Speaker 2: the Choo Tawny's. But players of Ryan O'Hearn's caliber are
Speaker 2: proven now to be a in the Pirates price range,
Speaker 2: and b makes sense to come here now. So that
Speaker 2: should be the the ale of the grocery shore or
Speaker 2: store where the Pirates are shopping from here on out.
Speaker 2: The last thing that he mentioned though, with schemes, solid
Speaker 2: effort from him, got to see it again Sunday.
Speaker 1: Like I said the last time, biggest start of.
Speaker 2: The year, he'd going keep going go to and oh
Speaker 2: head into the All Star Break with so momentum be
Speaker 2: eight and eight on the season, have.
Speaker 1: An ERA a little lower. Just just beat the Brewers, man, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Even if that's the only game they win in this
Speaker 2: weekend series. If you end the first half with a
Speaker 2: Paul Skeins gem against the Milwaukee Brewers heading into the
Speaker 2: All Star Break, people are still gonna believe in this.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: If people see Paul Skens looking like Paul Skins again,
Speaker 2: trending to beat Paul Skins again, even if they're a
Speaker 2: game under five hundred, there's still a reason to believe
Speaker 2: that they've got a shot if that guy is still
Speaker 2: that guy. So that's all I have to say, Mark
Speaker 2: anything to add.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just whyt to reiterate how awesome of a signing
Speaker 3: Ryan or Hernez, and just also mention that nice to
Speaker 3: see good old Paul Skins back to the dominant self
Speaker 3: that we've seen. I just I really really desperately want
Speaker 3: him to just dominate the Brewers. Make Jacob Mazerowski look
Speaker 3: like basically what you did last year, you know, like,
Speaker 3: why is this kid in the All Star game? Even
Speaker 3: and with the bats lining up it was nice last
Speaker 3: screen start we had, you know, the ten runs from
Speaker 3: O'Hearn obviously, but just please please offense if Skeens does
Speaker 3: throw a gem, like, I need to see some runs
Speaker 3: because that Jerry Jones perfect Game into no run support
Speaker 3: was extremely frustrating, So capitalize on it. And yeah, it's
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