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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight. That is a former Congressman Ron Paul

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Speaker 1: predicting that in warning us in nine. So what is

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Speaker 1: on this episode of the Truth with Lisa Booth. That's right,

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Speaker 1: We've got Ron Paul who has been warning us about

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Speaker 1: So we're going to get his take on everything that's

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Speaker 1: Paul Liberty Report. A former member of Congress, he ran

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Speaker 1: Congressman Ron Paul. So, Congressman, I just wanted to thank

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Speaker 1: very good. Good to be with you, Lisa. I wanted

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Speaker 1: and that we don't need an empire around the world.

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Speaker 1: We don't need us a reserve, We certainly don't need

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Speaker 1: an FBI spying on us, and we don't need a

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Speaker 1: c I A participating in the coups around the world.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was a coup in two thou fourteen

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine that got us involved over there, and we're

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Speaker 1: still there. Of course, quick break back with Ron Paul.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think Congress is so intent on sending

436
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Speaker 1: so much money to Ukraine? Well, the whether it's part

437
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Speaker 1: of the empire. You know, it's a strategically important place

438
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Speaker 1: if a battle ground between NATO, which is the West

439
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: which shouldn't exist UH and the Russians. And so the

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Speaker 1: Russians aren't the UH, they are not communists, they're they're

441
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Speaker 1: not part of They're not like Stalin. And yet UH.

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Speaker 1: The contest is is we've painted them much worse than

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Speaker 1: they really are. So people are saying, well, we have

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Speaker 1: to do we have to stop the Russians. Look at

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Speaker 1: what they've done to Ukraine. Well, what we did was

446
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: we threw out an elected leader out of Ukraine UH

447
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: and installed the people that were in there. That has

448
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: precipitated so much of this. So it's it's part of

449
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: the empire, and it's and the people who've been looked

450
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Speaker 1: to who financially benefits it's the military industrial complex that

451
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: the biggest lobbyist group in Washington, and that if you

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Speaker 1: don't support the military industrial complex, UH, very often that

453
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: that group, that individual get targeted by them because they

454
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Speaker 1: are so powerful. You know, one big problem I think

455
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Speaker 1: we face is UH corporations have you know, essentially serving

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Speaker 1: as an extension of the Biden administration. I mean we

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Speaker 1: saw this recently. It was reported to the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: pushed Twitter to suspend Alex Berenson, who had been, you know,

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Speaker 1: going against the Biden administration's narrative on COVID. You know,

460
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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts and sort of you know, this

461
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: unholy alliance between corporate America and the left right now,

462
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Speaker 1: Well that is the Yeah, that is it is. It's corporatism,

463
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Speaker 1: and it's been around for a long time and it

464
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Speaker 1: inevitably always leads to fascism, not not the communism, uh

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Speaker 1: of what Russia had where they own everything and control

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Speaker 1: every single thing, and uh so, so the fascists are

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Speaker 1: people where they sort of tolerate business people. But right

468
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: now we have the corporations are partners in government. That's

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Speaker 1: why the social media is just the norm of the government,

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Speaker 1: and they're the one there. They were the enforcers of

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Speaker 1: not following the government mandates and dictates because you don't

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Speaker 1: have you don't have the uh you know, the armed

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Speaker 1: guard and the army, uh you know, marching around making

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Speaker 1: you follow all these orders. It was always the corporations

475
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Speaker 1: will cancel, you will punish, you will do this, and

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Speaker 1: they were so powerful that they got away with it.

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Speaker 1: So know that combination that we have right now is uh,

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Speaker 1: it's probably still on the stage of the corporatism, and

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00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: that is just if influence. You know, they get the

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Speaker 1: contracts and they get the benefits. And if you do this,

481
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Speaker 1: you get a government contract and you can borrow more

482
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Speaker 1: money than than anybody else. And so that exists, and that, uh,

483
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Speaker 1: that will just keep building. And it's uh, it's almost

484
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Speaker 1: like we have fascism American style, but corporatism and this

485
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Speaker 1: combination that you've talked about, the combination of corporations and

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Speaker 1: big government. It's leeful and uh, you know this whole

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Speaker 1: idea and a lot of people were sympathetic that. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you have a downturn which you could protect to

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Speaker 1: predict the corporations, there might be a corporation that suffered

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Speaker 1: and going bankrupt and a lot of people are gonna

491
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Speaker 1: lose their jobs. So people get sympathetic and say, well,

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Speaker 1: get some money from the government. So the government comes

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Speaker 1: in and bails out the companies because they didn't run

494
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Speaker 1: their companies right and they should have gone bankrupt. So

495
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Speaker 1: they have to take the money from the companies that

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Speaker 1: were productive. So they destroy good companies paying off to

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Speaker 1: the people who will obey the government and all the

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Speaker 1: the government rules. Uh, they send that money to them,

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Speaker 1: and uh, it just makes the whole problem worse. He

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Speaker 1: should you should have total separation of of economic policy,

501
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: just like we should have separation of church and state.

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Speaker 1: We should have separation of school and state. And uh,

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Speaker 1: economic intervention ism to serve the interest of special groups,

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Speaker 1: which is which they do. I mean, you know, the

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Speaker 1: military industrial complex is a perfect example that I do

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Speaker 1: think those are big concerns as well with you know,

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Speaker 1: corporate America. Right now, I think a lot of people's

508
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: eyes have been opened. And you know, so many friends.

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Speaker 1: I know, President Trump opened my eyes to you know,

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Speaker 1: even just the way we you know, deal with our military,

511
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Speaker 1: right you know. He he sort of was able to

512
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Speaker 1: flex a muscle without intervening, without this military intervention. So

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have been awakened on

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Speaker 1: a lot of different Uh. You know, friends, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to ask you, is it possible to reclaim liberty once

516
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: it's gone? Oh? Yes, there has to be, so they

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Speaker 1: can't kill ideas, you know, and and freedom is an

518
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: idea and uh and and you know, when the time

519
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: has come for one of these ideas and said that

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00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: you can't stop it. You know, it isn't a military operation. Uh.

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Speaker 1: An idea whose time has come will spread. And that's

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Speaker 1: why I think the positive things we talked about a

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Speaker 1: little while ago, that's there. And they can't stop that.

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Speaker 1: Even the social media can't stop it, you know. And

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Speaker 1: the messages will continue to spread, there will if we

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Speaker 1: can't have uh, you know, good use of the internet. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's other ways of spreading it. But I think there's

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Speaker 1: competition now starting to build on the internet, and and

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Speaker 1: I think that that is good. So they can't they

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Speaker 1: can't stop it. So it depends on the people, you know,

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Speaker 1: and the desires and uh. And that's the biggest problem

532
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: is is how to get how to get people interested

533
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: in seeing seeing our problems as a moral issue. And

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00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: the founders understood this perfectly, and they said, yes, this

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Speaker 1: is what we're giving you. You're gonna have a probably,

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Speaker 1: But it's up to the people, you know. It's not

537
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: up to the piece of paper where the rules are in.

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00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: It's not up to the FBI, you know, to make

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Speaker 1: sure where we live in a free country and we

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00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: punish bad people. Know, it's has to be with the

541
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: morality of the people, and uh, whether or not you

542
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: can do it right now, that's a major problem because

543
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: nobody knows who to believe, but both sides in the power.

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00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: The power is so drawn used to be that you

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00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: could work with coalitions. It's getting more and more difficult.

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Speaker 1: So I would say it's very difficult. But no, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be spending my time like I do if

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Speaker 1: I didn't have an optimistic view that we can, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, move in the direction. And I think in

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Speaker 1: a in a minor way, we are moving in that direction.

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Speaker 1: But the people who have had who are in charge,

552
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: and the philosophy that's been in charge for a hundred years,

553
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: they're pretty powerful. But we have to refute them well.

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Speaker 1: And I think the challenges to a lot of the

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Speaker 1: times where you see this big growth in government, it's

556
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Speaker 1: after a time of crisis, right. You know, you've got

557
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Speaker 1: the Patriot Act after not eleven during COVID. Uh, you know,

558
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: the powers that be really sort of used that crisis

559
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Speaker 1: or even sort of manufacturing fear and manufacturing a crisis

560
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Speaker 1: to you know, grow the size and scope of the

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Speaker 1: federal government. So I think a lot of times, people

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Speaker 1: you know, miss that because it's a time of fear

563
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Speaker 1: and a time of crisis. Yeah, that's that's so difficult

564
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Speaker 1: to figure out. And I think I think most of

565
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: some people think of everything is in a collective. Everybody

566
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: has to come down on the same thing. But everybody.

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Speaker 1: What I've talked about is everybody has their job to

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Speaker 1: do for some reason. You're you're you have a job

569
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Speaker 1: right now that you're on the air, and you and

570
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: you you trying to get a message out. And people would,

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Speaker 1: you know, especially young people in college, they said they

572
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: would be like a sold on the eye. Liberty is great.

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Speaker 1: I want to do something that tell me what I

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Speaker 1: have to do. Do whatever you want, whatever you're capable

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Speaker 1: of doing. Everybody has something, and it's going to be different. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I never I never had a basic goal

577
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Speaker 1: at one time. I'm going to congress. I'm going to congress.

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00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: That's my goal in life. It was never that. My

579
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: goal was always. I became fascinated with monetary policy and uh,

580
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Speaker 1: the fiddle Reserve and I'm just gonna speak out on

581
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: because I think it's so important. And it turns out

582
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: is uh from that, I expanded it in a lot

583
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: of other people, you know, picked up on that, but

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Speaker 1: I think an individual has to side. And then uh

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Speaker 1: and and I'm just really impressed with how many people

586
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Speaker 1: that were campaign workers or helped me in in the election,

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00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: the presidential elections that really have gone out. They have

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00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: their own, their own little program and then the big

589
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: the interesting is they have no idea. You probably don't

590
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: have any idea if you're if you're you know, reaching out,

591
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: you don't know exactly how many people listen to, how

592
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: many people you know decide to, you know, follow up

593
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: and and stay. So it's it's something you never know

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Speaker 1: how many people are belonging to the remnant of people

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Speaker 1: who are maintaining the forces of the truth about liberty

596
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: and morality. Is there anything else you'd like to leave

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00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: us with before we go, sir? I think it is

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00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: so important. Everybody has a responsibility. And uh so instead

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00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: of concentrating right now of many problems we have, and

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00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: we have big ones. Foreign policy I think is a mess,

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00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: and the economy is going to get worse before it

602
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: gets better. But I think people should think that, uh,

603
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, there's every reason in the world. The positive

604
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: things out there is more and more people are getting

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00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: interested and we're making strides, so people just need to

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Speaker 1: do it. And the other thing I tell people know

607
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: it is serious business. And I go to a lot

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Speaker 1: of conference. As I said, if you come to a conference,

609
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: you should come and have a little bit of fun

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00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: because you're going to be associating with other like minded people.

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Speaker 1: And uh, that's from my view, boy, that's the best

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Speaker 1: you can do. And I consider it an obligation on

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Speaker 1: my part and everybody's part is to be as well

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Speaker 1: education as educated as possible so that some of these things,

615
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: even though they're not complex, sometimes the explanations get complex

616
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: and people get confused. But really freedom is not a

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00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: complex issue. And uh, I think people just have to

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00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: decide whether or not gonna they're gonna be on the

619
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: side of liberty or they're going to sit on their

620
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: hands or join the opposition. And uh, of course my

621
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Speaker 1: advice is joining all of us that are interested in

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Speaker 1: preserving the cause of liberty. Well, and your Sign has

623
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: really been leading the fight in the Senate throughout COVID

624
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 1: and both sort of exposing a lot of the lies

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Speaker 1: and really just trying to get to the truth as well.

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Speaker 1: So we appreciate your son as well. He's doing a

627
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: great job. Yeah, you must be prode. I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: that's really cool. You're the first representative in history to

629
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Speaker 1: serve concurrently with a child in the Senate when he

630
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: was first elected in two dozen tents, So that must

631
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: have been pretty cool. That was different. It happened, but

632
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't a strategy, you know, it just happened that way.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Sorry, I appreciate your time. Take care. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. Oh, very good. It's been nice to

635
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: be on your program. That was Congressman Ron Paul. You know,

636
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Speaker 1: he played that clip from UH talking about the FBI

637
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: spying on American citizens and those abuses. He also had

638
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: warned about things like the Patriot Act and a number

639
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: of other things, just obviously raising concerns about the bigger

640
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: the federal government gets, the more we lose liberty. So

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Speaker 1: appreciate him joining the show. And I appreciate you guys

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Speaker 1: for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen

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Speaker 1: throughout the week. Please leave us review right US five

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Speaker 1: stars and Apple Podcast. I want to thank my producer,

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Speaker 1: John Castio for putting the show together and doing such

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Speaker 1: a great job on that Thanks for listening,