1 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: As a guide an hunter, I've spent thousands of days 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren. 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: This is cutting the distance. It's springtime. It's a great 6 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: time of year to be outside and be recreating. After 7 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: winter has worn off, hopefully some of these quarantine restrictions 8 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: start lifting and we can get out and enjoy the outdoors. 9 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: There's so many awesome seasons to take advantage of this 10 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: time of year. We've got turkey season, bear season, depending 11 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: on where you live. It's also the start of many 12 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: great fishing seasons. But overall, it's just a great time 13 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: to be outside. However, there is one season this time 14 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: of year that I do not like, and that's tick season. 15 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: If I really think about it, Ticks are probably one 16 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: of the more dangerous things that a majority of hunters 17 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: encounter just being out, especially in the spring. It's because 18 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: they're disease vectors for things like lyme disease, rocky Mountain 19 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: spotted tick fever, which can actually kill you, as well 20 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: as a lot of other diseases that cause sickness and 21 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: other complications. I mean, ticks can be a huge problem, 22 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: but there are great methods and best practices for prevention. 23 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: Over the years, I've developed a system that seems to 24 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: work really well and just allows me to go into 25 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: the woods with a lot more confidence. But before we 26 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: get into that, I want to share a story that 27 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: involves three things ticks, giraffes, and paintball guns. When I'm 28 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: thinking about ticks stories, a lot of them came to mind. 29 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: I was thinking originally about this bear hunt with my 30 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: buddy Brett where we were pretty much fighting ticks off 31 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: with machetes, and then another hunt where I decided to 32 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: go spring bear hunting in Montana and shorts, And by 33 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: the time I reached a couple of miles into where 34 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: I wanted, I had counted over a hundred ticks in 35 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: a region that I'd prefer never to see ticks again. 36 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: But of all the tick encounters and experiences, one completely 37 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: stands out from the others, and it takes place in 38 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: South Africa. Quite a few years back, I would pretty 39 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: much try to find guiding work wherever I could, and 40 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: I would travel around and kind of made it a 41 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: year round job. Going to New Zealand, traveling to different 42 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: states hunting spring seasons, and one year I actually found 43 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: some work in South Africa. Just starting out. I was 44 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: on this reserve that had a lot of animals, but 45 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: in this particular reserve they happened to have giraffes as 46 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: well as I mean, there's a lot of different species 47 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: in this particular area. There was zebras in Yala, kudu, 48 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: water buck, drafts, some other just like smaller animals, dykers, 49 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: and just a lot of different species. Now on this 50 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: particular place, they did have a problem with tick born diseases, 51 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: killing a lot of the animals, and the drafts were 52 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: especially susceptible to this. I don't know if it's just 53 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: their body size, but some of these animals you would 54 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: find so many ticks, like in their crotch region, in 55 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: their armpits. It just looked like these massive growths growing 56 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: and they're all from ticks, a combination of disease from 57 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: the ticks, and then I think just so many ticks 58 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: getting on these animals. I mean, I just I couldn't 59 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: see how they could live and it was becoming a 60 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: really big problem. So this particular place, while trying to 61 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: help out a lot of the animal populations on this 62 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: piece of property. Hired hunters or professional hunters to inoculate 63 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: the animals and they use these they call it douse, 64 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: So it's like, um, it's a chemical that you know, 65 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: people use on cattle as well. It kills a lot 66 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: of parasites and does kill the ticks as well. So 67 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: they would use this douse to inoculate and kill off 68 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: the ticks to help these animals survive some of the 69 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: tick born diseases and maybe just give them a better 70 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: fighting chance. Now, if you're running cattle or whatever, you 71 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: can bring your cattle into the yards through a squeeze shoot, 72 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: spray little douse on the backs of them and send 73 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: them on their merry way and do that once a 74 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: year and you'll be fine. However, it's pretty hard to 75 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: round up wild animals like zebras, giraffes and y'allo water bucks, 76 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: all these things that are extremely spooky living in the 77 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: wild in the bush. That's just not possible. So the 78 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: delivery method for this douse was a paintball gun, and 79 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: these paintballs were filled with the chemical that kills the ticks, 80 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: and then hunters would you know, myself. I would take 81 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: the paintball gun around owned try to sneak up on 82 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: animals and shoot them with the paintballs to inoculate them 83 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: from the tick disease. And if you've ever shot a 84 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: paintball gun, they don't go very far. It's like shooting, 85 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: I would say it was even it is probably like hunting. 86 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: I would compare it to hunting with a traditional bow, 87 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: because you had to get pretty close to these animals 88 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: to be effective or to to make a good shot. 89 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: You could hit them anywhere because the oil from it 90 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: would I mean, it's strong enough that it could pretty 91 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: much cure a larger cattle sized animal with one or 92 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: two paintballs, and some of the other animals like giraffes 93 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: or real social animals that rub up against each other 94 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: would actually spread it to each other as well, so 95 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: you didn't have to make like a vital shot or anything. 96 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: But you had to be pretty close and without obstructions 97 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: of brush or anything else to actually hit these animals. 98 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: So that's one of the reasons that they hired hunters. 99 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: They're really good at stocking to get in and inoculate 100 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: a variety of animals that were extremely spooped, had been 101 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: hunted and pressured fairly hard and did not allow people 102 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: to get very close. I was also given a four 103 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: wheeler where I could drive around, so I was mostly 104 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: on the four wheeler. I would have the paintball guns, 105 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: so if I was driving around and saw some I 106 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: could shoot them with the paintballs, or even try to 107 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: chase some of them down with the four wheeler and 108 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: shoot him. The trouble was not a lot of roads there, 109 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: and it wasn't like the type of terrain where you 110 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: could drive off road and chase them and get them, 111 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: so for the most part it was spot in stock 112 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: and then a lot of night work with a spotlight, 113 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: especially for some of the more nocturnal animals like the 114 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: bush bucks, the in Yala's just a lot of different 115 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: animals at night. They're mostly concerned about getting the drafts, 116 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 1: and I thought, Okay, this is gonna be super easy 117 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: shooting a draft with a paintball gun. Like I just 118 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: didn't had no real experience with the giraffes at that point. 119 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: They were the hardest thing to sneak up on, and 120 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: I think until this point, I'm not sure anybody had 121 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: really shot the giraffes with paintballs their giant but they 122 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: can see forever and they were extremely wary. They did 123 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: not like people getting close. They were not like friendly 124 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: zoo grafts. They would see you from a long ways off, 125 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: and then they would just constantly keep jogging out of 126 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: range of the paintballs. So one of the first nights 127 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: I would would drive around, and I don't know why, 128 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: but I was never able to locate a giraffe at night. 129 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: I I just thought, oh, they'll be easy, I'll go 130 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: find some drafts at night. Maybe it was just like, 131 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: you know, being unfamiliar with where they hung out. I 132 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: didn't really know where I was and mostly just kind 133 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: of sticking to the roads on the flour wheeler with 134 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: the spotlight because it was the one that plugged into 135 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: the battery. I didn't have a cordless spotlight, so I 136 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: drove around all the roads that I could find. Kind 137 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: of after I knew the area, spotlighting, shooting some of 138 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: the more nocturnal animals with the paintballs, but not seeing 139 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: any giraffes. So I ended up starting to figure out 140 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: where the drafts were hanging out. I had spotted some 141 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,679 Speaker 1: giraffes one one morning, after having quite a few failed 142 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: stocks on them, like okay, because at first I just 143 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: thought I'll just walk up and shoot these things with 144 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: the paintball it would be great, and that was not 145 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: the case. So I let him calm down. I go 146 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: stalking some other animals, inoculate of a water buck, which 147 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: was like a pretty cool stock, and hunt in some 148 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: real thick stuff, and then I go back to where 149 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: the drafts were in their feeding. I'm like, okay, cool. 150 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: So I start sneaking in and there's about five or 151 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: six girafts in this one's spot. I'm like, all right, 152 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: I'm trying to plan out my stock where I can 153 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: get through this one little creek where I can get 154 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: close enough, and they're kind of feeding away like backs 155 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: and really focused on eating this tree. So I'm like, 156 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,599 Speaker 1: all right, this might be my best chance. So I 157 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: gotta shoot as many of these things with the paintballs 158 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: as I can. I get close, I get lined up, 159 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, sweet. I think there was 160 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: five giraffes, and I'm like, all right, I'm gonna take 161 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: these three close ones, and then as the other you 162 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: come out, I might try to hit him on the run, 163 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: so I get lined up. I shoot the first shot, 164 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: hit the close giraffe and the butt with a paintball, 165 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: and I tried, I'm trying to get maybe two paintballs 166 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: on each giraffe before I moved to the next one. 167 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: Was the first one that pop pop got him twice. 168 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: The next one pop pop got it. But at this 169 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: point they hear the gun going off. I'm fairly close 170 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: and they don't like it, so they start running. I 171 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: shoot the third one one time, and now they're standing 172 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: out at a distance like looking they're they're not liking it, 173 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, like, guys, I'm just trying to help you 174 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: out here. And then they start taking off again. I'm like, 175 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: all right, I can get that one one more time. 176 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: As I shoot that one, they run into a herd 177 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: of zebras. I'm just like guessing my yardage, but these 178 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,599 Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of these paintballs either, and 179 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: I want to conserve them because I think they're kind 180 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: of expensive. So I shoot and I'm thinking, okay, I 181 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: will definitely hit this giant giraffe out in this flat. 182 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: The paintball goes over the giraffe and hits a zebra behind. 183 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: Find it, and I thought that was pretty awesome. How 184 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: many how many people have tried to shoot a giraffe 185 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: with a paintball, missed and hit a zebra? I think 186 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: that that's very low. But that was just one of 187 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: the more fun experiences I've had dealing with ticks, and 188 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: just a crazy fun and interesting look at how bad 189 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: the ticks affect the animals there. And I'm thinking, man, 190 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: I do not want one of these ticks on me, 191 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: because I saw the damage that they did too large 192 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: animals and how devastating they were, and the fact that 193 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: they needed people to come in here and help protect 194 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: the animals by just trying to kill the ticks. Why 195 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: are ticks so bad, Well, the answer is because they 196 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: carry a lot of fairly bad diseases. Let's just actually 197 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: talk about ticks a little bit first, and then we'll 198 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: go into some of the preventions and things you should 199 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: do to just make sure that you don't these things 200 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: don't happen to you. The way a tick feeds is 201 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: it essentially finds a host, buries in, and then draws blood. Now, 202 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: ticks mostly transmit disease through their saliva glands, so when 203 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: they bury into your skin in exchange for taking blood, 204 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: they're also releasing most of the time bad bacterias into 205 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 1: your body that then cause complications or disease later on, 206 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: or within a couple of days too, sometimes a month later. 207 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: A lot of tickboard illnesses are very hard for doctors 208 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: to diagnose because they have similar symptoms, but some of 209 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: them don't even manifest until a longer incubation time. So 210 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: if you get bit by a tick, you might pull 211 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: it out, not think anything, and then a month later 212 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: get sick and not really correlate that with the tick. 213 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: But let's talk about a few of the most common 214 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: disease eases that hunters or people get. The first one 215 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: would be lime disease. Now, some of the signs and 216 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: symptoms of lime disease are fever, headache, fatigue. Lime disease 217 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: can manifest itself in lots of strange ways. I actually 218 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: have a friend that got lime disease and it manifested 219 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: as a form of meningitis where he had to have 220 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: his brain essentially drained in spinal taps for antibiotics to 221 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: be administered. I know quite a few people that actually 222 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: have contracted lime disease, and a lot of people that 223 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: have had a lot of complications, long term complications with 224 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: nerve damage and other things from the bacterial infection years later. 225 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: But one of the ways to identify lime disease, and 226 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: this doesn't happen. It happens in about seventy of the cases. 227 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: But it's a bulls eye type skin rash. I know 228 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: people that have got lime disease that did not get 229 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: the rash, and then other people that have gotten the rash, 230 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: but it was sort of hard to identify it first. 231 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: So it's not so cut and dry. But the bulls 232 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: eye shape rash, especially after if you know you've been 233 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: bit by a tick, seems to be one of the 234 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: more dead giveaways for diagnosing lime disease. Now, not all 235 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: ticks carry lime disease. Lime diseases carried by black legged 236 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: deer ticks, so the type of tick can actually help 237 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: in identifying the type of disease. One disease that occurs 238 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: very often where I hunt, and actually in many of 239 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: the regions where I hunt. They have done studies on 240 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: this disease, Rocky Mountain spotted fever. It's called spotted fever 241 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: because a lot of people within two to four days 242 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: after they get the fever developed this really spotty looking rash. 243 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: It's kind of like chicken pox looking, but more kind 244 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: of everywhere, fairly fast, and it just it looks it 245 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: turns your skin spotted. But once you've had that, once 246 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: you're that late in the disease, it can actually be 247 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: a very debilitating, even deadly disease. Um It's been known 248 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 1: to kill people. You can get a very high fever. 249 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: Some of the symptoms include fever's headaches, the rash, obviously 250 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: muscle pain. It can even lead to things like amputation, paralysis, 251 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: permanent brain damage, just some seriously bad stuff. I just 252 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: second hand known a guy that was in the backcountry 253 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: in Montana. They one of the guys got pretty sick. 254 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: They're riding out and he just blacked out, fell off 255 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: of his horse. His fever got so hot he kind 256 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: of passed out. They got him back in and it 257 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: turned out to be Rocky Mountain spotted fever. He had, 258 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: you know, some paralysis issues he was he he ended 259 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: up recovering from it, but it was an extremely bad deal. 260 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: Just within the seven days that he was in there, 261 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: he almost didn't make it out alive. And then there's 262 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: the one that I thought I think is pretty scary. 263 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: Is this alpha golf from the loan startick, which is 264 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: actually fairly moore is being looked into it, but it 265 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: caused you to be allergic to red meat. I've had 266 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: people that I know that have contracted this and hunters, 267 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: and now they can no longer eat meat red meat, 268 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: which I'm like, Man, give me lime disease or Rocky 269 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: Mountain spotted fever. Don't give me the one that you 270 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: can't eat meat from. The spotted tick fever mostly comes 271 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: from the Rocky Mountain would tick. And then I was 272 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: reading recently a study out of monts Hannah talking about 273 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: Colorado tick fever, which spotted fever and lime disease or 274 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: bacterial diseases. So it's a bacteria that gets in your bloodstream. 275 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: But the Colorado tick fever, although it's not as dangerous 276 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: as spotted tick fever, it's not not deadly. It just 277 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: makes you fairly sick, is a viral disease from the ticks. 278 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: One study, and actually an area that I hunt a lot, 279 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: was saying that one in five ticks were infected with 280 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: this disease, and then of those ticks, about one percent 281 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: contained spotted tick fever, and it is also very possible 282 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: that you could be bit by one tick and be 283 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: given multiple diseases. So with all that information, what we 284 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: really want to do is not get bit by ticks. 285 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: There is a high likelihood that if you do get 286 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: bit by a tick, you can contract some pretty bad stuff. 287 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: So I think that the thing that we want to 288 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: focus on is prevention. And so over the years, especially 289 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: bearer guiding, I mean, I've had a lot of run ins, 290 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: a lot of different experiences with ticks, and especially where 291 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: I guided in Montana, being a study area for Rocky 292 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,239 Speaker 1: Mountain spotted fever, I knew that having talked to researchers 293 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: and things, they are like, yeah, there's a lot of 294 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: it here, you should be really careful. And I didn't 295 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: take it very seriously at first, but over the years, 296 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: seeing people that I know get lyme disease, seeing people 297 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: that I know get some other just really strange diseases 298 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: from ticks, it really got me thinking about trying not 299 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: to get bit and coming up with some best practices 300 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: and some prevention techniques and just sticking to them in 301 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: order to prevent from even having to deal with the 302 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: initial bite of the tick and Over the last I 303 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: would say four to five years, I've been really successful 304 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: deferring ticks and not having as many. You know, some 305 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: years I would go and get have as many as 306 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: twenty plus ticks buried in me. Now, if I get 307 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: a single tick buried in a season, that's abnormal. Let's 308 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: go into a few ways of prevention. I want to 309 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: break this down into two. What I would call I 310 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: would call prevention, and then best practices. So what prevention 311 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: is just ways to prevent the ticks from getting on you, 312 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: things you can do to hinder ticks from affecting you. 313 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: And then the best practices, what I would consider is 314 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: just like doing the way you do things to prevent 315 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: them from getting to you. So kind of following a 316 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: certain order of things, following a good code of this 317 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: is what I do, This is how I this is 318 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: my measures for preventing ticks, and then I follow those 319 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: measures every time, and by just being consistent with it, 320 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: it prevents it. When we're talking prevention, I think step 321 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: one is to coat your gear. A few years back, 322 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: I started coating my gear in permethrin, and I think 323 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: that that is probably the single biggest factor in preventing 324 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: ticks that I've found it is extremely effective and I've 325 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: noticed a huge difference when I use it. So what 326 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: permethrin is. It's actually, I guess like a we'll just 327 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: call it a bug spray head to turn. But it's 328 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: not like you would sprayed on your skin. It is 329 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: pretty potent, and so I just coat my gear with it, 330 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: allow it to dry, and then use that gear when 331 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: I'm out hunting. The stuff that I've been using late 332 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: least from a company called Sawyer, and they've just got 333 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: like spray permethern. You can buy it at our e I, 334 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: you can buy it online, you can buy it wherever, 335 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: and there's other companies that make it as well. For 336 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: what it is advertised, it lasts for six weeks or 337 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: six washings, which is plenty of time, and I actually 338 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: recode it probably every other week or something like that. 339 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: But what you do is you you lay your clothes out, 340 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: you spray it with this permethern and then you just 341 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: hang it and allowed to dry. I do the outside 342 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: and the inside of whatever my hunting gear is. Now. 343 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: I know, if you're a bear hunter or a hunter, 344 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: you're mostly you're thinking like scent, and I'm concerned about scent. 345 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: Here's my thought on that. First off, this doesn't really 346 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: have a smell. If you think about the scent that 347 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: deters animals, human scent is the scent that's triggering a 348 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: predatorial response. Think about it like this. I know a 349 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: lot of people are like, oh, well, if you're filling 350 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: up your truck at a gas station, that deer' going 351 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: to smell the gas because it's strong, and which is true. 352 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: But they're gonna smell you as well because the wind 353 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: direction and other things. For a long time, I resisted 354 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: using repellent or any kind of anything while I was 355 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: out hunting because I thought, oh, that added scent is 356 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: going to make a big difference, and I'm not going 357 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: to be successful. And then I started using it and 358 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: have seen no difference or change in success. It's better 359 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: to have something to prevent ticks because that's a real 360 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: and present danger than to think that whatever I'm using, 361 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: as far as repellent is going to mess up my chances. 362 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: And I think that if you try it, you'll find 363 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: that it probably doesn't really affect your success anyways, but 364 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: does affect the success of deterring ticks or even other 365 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: bugs like the nice thing about this is it also 366 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: repels mosquitoes. Whether you're bait hunting or turkey hunting or 367 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: bear it doesn't really matter what you're doing outdoors fishing, 368 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: you're probably gonna encounter a lot of mosquitoes as well, 369 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: and so to have something on your clothing that repels 370 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: mosquitoes as well as ticks sweet awesome. I'm all for it. 371 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: The nice thing about this too is it depends on 372 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: how fresh it is or whatever. It does repeltics, but 373 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: also if they start to get in the clothing, it 374 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: can actually kill the ticks as well. You're probably thinking, well, 375 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: that sounds very dangerous for me. I've read as many 376 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: papers as I can to just research the dangerous to people. 377 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: If you spray it on like that, let it dry, 378 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't soak into our skins too thick for it 379 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: to soak into and have negative effects. So I just 380 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: suggested it's worth doing, and you can. You can do 381 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: a lot of different gear with it as well. So 382 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: it depends on the type of hunt I'm doing. If 383 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: I'm just going out from my house or cabin whatever, 384 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: coming back each day, just hanging out in the springtime, 385 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: I'll uh mostly just spray my clothes. But if I'm 386 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: doing like a backcountry hunt, spring bear hunt or something 387 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: like that, I'll spray my tent and then you can 388 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: even spray your sleeping bag as well. You just spray 389 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: it hanging out to dry and you're good to go. 390 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: It's awesome to be able to spray your gear and 391 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: even think about, depending on what kind of seat covers 392 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: you have or whatever, spraying your truck because a lot 393 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: of the ticket bites that I do get every year 394 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: aren't from actually being in the field. It's from having 395 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: my backpack in the truck and then ticks getting off 396 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: that in the truck, and then a few days later, 397 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: when I've got no type of repellent on tick crawling 398 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: on me and bearing in when I'm not looking for him. 399 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: When you're looking for him and being vigilant, that's when 400 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: it's easy to detect them. It's easy to find them 401 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: you're constantly thinking about them. But it's the ones that 402 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: are hiding out later on at you're in your house 403 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: and your vehicle that you aren't really paying attention to 404 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: they get you. So the next step is after I've 405 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: applied the prometherin then when I'm out in the field, 406 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: My goal is to just stop access. So the way 407 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: ticks work is they they don't jump, they don't fly. 408 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: They're just standing on blades of grass, mostly hip high 409 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: or waste like knee high, with their fingers out or 410 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: whatever out um and just waiting until you brush past 411 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: them and they latch on. Once they latch on, then 412 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: their goal is to find a place, a nice cozy 413 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: place to burrow in. So they're gonna probably either crawl 414 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: up your pants um. If they're low on the grass, 415 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: the crawl up your boots, up your pant leg. If 416 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: they're up above, they'll crawl up your shirt or up 417 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: your sleeve, and they try to find somewhere where they 418 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: kind of are are tucked in an unnoticed, unnoticeable I 419 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: find that they mostly burrow in or they just they 420 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: keep crawling up until they stop. So it might be 421 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: at your waistband, it might be your crotch and your armpits, 422 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: or at the top of your head, in your hair, 423 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: somewhere where it's harder to find them, but also where 424 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: they kind of crawl and stop and find a good 425 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: place to latch or if you've got like a backpack on. 426 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: I noticed on my chest sometimes I'll get unbarrowed in 427 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: right where my pack straps are. So the way to 428 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: stop the access is just allow fewer places for them 429 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: to be able to crawl to your skin. What I 430 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: do is I always tuck my pants. If I'm wearing 431 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: tall boots, I'll tuck my pants into my boot and 432 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: then lace my boots up. If I'm wearing shorter boots, 433 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: I'll actually tuck my pants into my socks. Now, I 434 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: don't like hiking around like that because well, there's a 435 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: lot of things wrong with it. First, you get a 436 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: lot of stickers in your socks because they're outside your 437 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: your low boot. And second, a lot of time when 438 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: I'm hunting in the spring, it might be damp. Who knows, 439 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: like the grass from dew in the morning, some wet, 440 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 1: and then that just drains all the water down my boots. 441 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: So I'll tuck my pant in my boot or my sock, 442 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: and then I'll just throw a gator over the top 443 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: of that, like a shorter gator. Even though it can 444 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: be a little bit warmer, it just prevents water from 445 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: getting into my boot and also kind of keeps another 446 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: added layer of protection from anything crawling up my pant leg, 447 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: my shirt I tuck into my pants, and where a 448 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: belt just helps keep everything sealed off. I like to 449 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: wear long sleeve shirt kind of keeps the sun off me, 450 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: plus just adds a little bit extra layer of protection 451 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: from the ticks. Then the third thing that I do 452 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: is I will then spray the openings around my neck 453 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: and wrists with some kind of repellent. I prefer deep. 454 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: There's a lot of different repellents out there. I know 455 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: it kind of sucks when you're on like a long 456 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: trip or a long hunt, you're using deed all the time. 457 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: So I try to just limit it too. I'll spray 458 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: my hair or my neck area, just whatever, and then 459 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: just around where maybe they might crawl up my sleeves. 460 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: By adding the prometheron, by tucking in my pants and 461 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: then just doing the spray on those few areas, it 462 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: pretty much eliminates most of the ticks that will get 463 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: on me. Now there are the occasional ticks it'll land 464 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: on you briefly or whatever, or be on your gear 465 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: and other things. So I try to spray most of 466 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: my gear down. But that has been probably the best 467 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: system that I found for just keeping ticks off in general. Now, 468 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: as far as the best practices go, I like to 469 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: break it into what I think of as the quarantine 470 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: and the check phase. Everybody now is aware of quarantine. 471 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: Now I'm not thinking about quarantining yourself, but if you 472 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: think about it, if if you're going out for a 473 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: turkey hunt, you're going out for the day, and then 474 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: you come home, even with the repellent on and everything, 475 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: sometimes there's ticks that have landed in something, or just 476 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: they're on your gear, there, on you whatever. It still happens. 477 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: Um it's not that they won't touch you, it's just 478 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: helps take our way, say maybe of the ticks. So 479 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: there is still a chance that you know there will 480 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: be ticks on in your boots, on your clothing, whatever. 481 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: Then you walk into your house, you take your clothes off, 482 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: you shower, whatever. But maybe some of those ticks are 483 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: now inside your house. And that's when you don't have 484 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: any repellent. You might have your kids, your dogs, your whatever, 485 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: you aren't paying attention. You might go to bed after 486 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: showering and pick that tick up at some other point 487 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: when you're thinking about it. And that tends to be 488 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: the ticks that ended up getting buried bury into you. 489 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,239 Speaker 1: So when I get home, or if I'm camping in 490 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: my tent, I don't bring my clothes into my tent. 491 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: And if I'm when I get home, I just have 492 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: a black contractor trash bag that I keep handy. I 493 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: take my clothes off before I go inside. If I'm 494 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: in the garage or whatever, I take my clothes off 495 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: at put him in the bag. I mean, just like 496 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: you don't have to be walking around outside in your 497 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: neighborhood butt naked. But I'm just saying, like, have a 498 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: way of taking the dirty clothes that you were out 499 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: in the field with putting him in a plastic bag 500 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 1: to prevent the spread of ticks getting into your hamper, 501 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: getting into whatever. If I'm home, what I'll do is 502 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: I'll then take those clothes and I'll just throw him 503 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: in the dryer' you know, from the bag straight into 504 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: the dryer and then turn the dryer on high for 505 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: about ten minutes. Dry heat kills ticks really well, and 506 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: so that method kills him. If your clothes need to 507 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: be washed beforehand, so ticks can actually live submerged underwater, 508 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: So if you just put it in the washing machine, 509 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: that's not going to kill him, and it has a 510 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: potential to get on your other clothes or whatever. I 511 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: figured this out because I did a load of laundry 512 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: and then pulled my clothes out and there's live ticks 513 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: in there, and I thought that sucks. I always thought 514 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: that water killed the ticks, and then I'm like, I 515 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: gotta look this up. Turns out it doesn't, but the 516 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: dry heat does. So if you maybe aren't going to 517 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: wash your clothes, but you just you're coming in for 518 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: the daytime, maybe you did a morning hunt or you're 519 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: gonna go do an evening hunt, just do yourself a favor. 520 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 1: Take those clothes from the bag, throw them in the dryer, 521 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: kill whatever ticks might be in there, and then you've got, 522 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: you know, tick free clothes from that point on. Now, 523 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,479 Speaker 1: if you're out in the back country you're camping, it's 524 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: not possible to do that. What I do is if 525 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm coming in, if I'm hunting in morning or something, 526 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: I'll take my clothes i've got. Maybe if I'm just 527 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: like car camping, I'll have a black trash bag that 528 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: I put the clothes that i'm hunting in in that bag, 529 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: and I'll just try to squeeze the ear out, tight up, 530 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: and then lay it out in the sun. I have 531 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: had it, especially if your clothes are sprayed down with 532 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: the permithin. I've found like I'll open the bag up 533 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: and there will be dead ticks in there. Now I've 534 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: also opened the bag up and seen live ticks. But 535 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: I think that that combination of the hot the sun 536 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: and the repellent does tend to get the ticks off 537 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: the clothes. And then if I'm gonna hang out in 538 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: camp for today, I'll do that for a little bit, 539 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: let it sit in the sun, and then I'll take 540 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: the clothes out and just hang them up because the 541 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: ticks will leave a little bit away from where I'm 542 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: camping or sleeping. But I try not to bring my 543 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: clothes from whatever ticks into my tent because I find 544 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: that most of the ticks that I find on myself 545 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: personally with this whole method buried in is in the morning, 546 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: so after I've done a tick check and all that. 547 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: So it's coming in from clothes or other things that 548 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: you just have laying around. So if you follow this 549 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: quarantining the clothes that you're using out in the field, 550 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: then you're gonna have a lot fewer instances of ticks 551 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: latching on in random places like in your house. Now, 552 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: the other best practice is checking, So you just gotta 553 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: constantly check for ticks. You know, if if you're hunting 554 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: from home or just recreating and then coming home, you know, 555 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: take your clothes off, put them in the dryer, take 556 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: a shower, rints off, check yourself for ticks. If you're 557 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: out in the back country, it's good to always just 558 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: keep checking. I always call it is your mind playing 559 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: ticks on you. You're out there, you're sitting, you're glass 560 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: and you're constantly feeling ticks crawling around. Once you find one, 561 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: you kind of ever, you start feeling them all the time, 562 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: but getting used to knowing what it feels like, paying 563 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: attention to that checking, and then when you get back 564 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: to your tent every day, you know, separating your clothes out, 565 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: make sure there's no ticks on you, then go to bed. 566 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: If a tick does happen to burrow in. There's so many, 567 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember people saying, oh, you hold a 568 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: match to its butt and let it back out, or 569 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: you put alcohol on it, and they're just like all 570 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: kinds of ways to remove ticks. The only way you 571 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: should ever remove ticks. I don't care what people have 572 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: told you. Do not do any other method than pulling 573 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: the tick out. Tweezers work fine for this. So what 574 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: you want to do is you want to get as 575 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: close to the skin as possible, pinch it with a 576 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: pair of tweezers, not so hard that it squeezes it, 577 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: but just hard enough where you can grasp it, and 578 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: then just pull straight out like you're pulling a splinter 579 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: out of your leg or pulling a hair out of 580 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: something like. Just firmly abbit and pull it straight out. 581 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: And by doing that, you know you want it to 582 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: pull everything that has out. Hopefully you've caught it before 583 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: it's got too deep, because the most of the diseases 584 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: through their saliva can still be transferred fairly quickly. But 585 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: for the most part, you'll pull it out. You'll see, okay, 586 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: does it have all of its attachments? And then take 587 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: that tick. Let's just say for this, put it in 588 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: a plastic baggy because we're gonna do something with it 589 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: in a minute. But once you pull that tick out, 590 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, make sure that there's no other pieces left 591 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: in like if it's buried real deep, people have can 592 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: pull and leave some of the mouth in the hole, 593 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,479 Speaker 1: but it's it's pretty easy to tell whether you got 594 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: the whole thing or not. And then once that happens, 595 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: take some antiseptic, whatever you've got, like alcohol or iodine, 596 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: some kind of first aid antiseptic, and make sure you 597 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: clean out that one. Because most of the diseases are bacterial. 598 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: So then you clean that out and it will help 599 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: whether if there was something there before it spreads. Just 600 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: cleaning it out that way is a great, great thing 601 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: to do. Now, the last thing that I'll do, if 602 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: I did pull a tick that was buried out, I'll 603 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: often take a picture of it because certain ticks are 604 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: more likely for certain diseases. So if you got a 605 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: tick and you're like I was buried in and you're 606 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: worried about lyme disease, but it's a lone star tick, 607 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: well you probably won't have lime disease, But there are 608 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: other diseases that those ticks can carry that might have 609 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: similar symptoms. So being able to identify the type of 610 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: tick if you do end up getting sick later on 611 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: can be a huge help for the doctors diagnosing which 612 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: antibiotics to give you or potentially what you might have, 613 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: because being able to get those antibiotics soon and be 614 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: treated right away is just gonna be way better in 615 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: the long run. It's going to make your life a 616 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: lot easier, and it'll be more accurate in diagnosing potentially 617 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: what you got. One last thing to think about if 618 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna be going into the back country, just remember 619 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: to have some tweezers and antiseptic on hand if you 620 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: do happen to get bit. Another thing that I would 621 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: suggest is everybody in your hunting group or your family whatever, 622 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: follow these same best practices, because the best way to 623 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: prevent getting lime disease is just prevent getting bit in 624 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: the first place, and it's super easy to do by 625 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,719 Speaker 1: just following a few steps. By being diligent about controlling ticks, 626 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: and you shouldn't have any problems. You'll be able to 627 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: enjoy the spring and be tick free. I hope that 628 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: helps some people. You know, ticks are something you should 629 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: worry about, but if you just follow a few simple things, 630 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: you can worry a little bit less and enjoy the 631 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: experience a lot more. Before we go, I figured I 632 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: just mentioned some upcoming application deadlines. We've got Kansas deadline April, 633 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: I think um and then Kentucky as well if you 634 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: apply for ELK or anything there and Idaho the moose 635 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: sheep goat applications do end of April. May beginning of 636 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: May Montana moose sheep goat is due, and then May 637 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: four Nevada deadline. So if those were something on your 638 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: list of hunts, time is now. Also, I got a 639 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: lot of questions asking about they remembered I did something 640 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: about applying in other states. That was episode twenty three, 641 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,439 Speaker 1: So I know it's kind of hard to find because 642 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: the way it's labeled UM doesn't really describe it. So 643 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: a lot of people have listened to it. We're gonna 644 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: go back and relisten. I got a lot of those 645 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: this week, so that is I'm pretty sure it's episode. Also, 646 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: a question came in from Steve. He says, Heyremy heard 647 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: you're gonna talk about tick protection next week. Will that 648 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: also cover mosquitoes? Yeah. The same chemicals that deter mosquitoes 649 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: also work with ticks, deet, the promether and other things, 650 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: so all this stuff is applicable for mosquitoes as well, 651 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: which is huge problem in the spring. I know, UM, 652 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: the thermo cell. I've used one in South America a 653 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: while back, and it was an older I mean, this 654 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: is like a long time ago, and it worked pretty well. 655 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: I know a lot of guys use those. That's not 656 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: really good for tick prevention, but does work for mosquitoes, 657 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: especially if you're if you're stationary sitting like in a 658 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 1: in a blind or maybe a tree stand something like that. 659 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, so hope that helps everyone out. Also, we're 660 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: gonna be doing a Q and A coming up, so 661 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: make sure to shoot your questions over. I've got a 662 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: lot compiled. Some of them might not get to you 663 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: might have to push them to the next one. But 664 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: if you've got any questions right now, shoot him over 665 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: because that's it'llly'll be. It will probably be the first 666 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: of May, um, but maybe I'll just decided to do 667 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: it for next week. So shoot those questions over and 668 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: we'll get those answered until next week. Don't let your 669 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,439 Speaker 1: mind play ticks on you. Catch you later.