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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Midnight screams.

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Speaker 2: A beautiful young fashion designer found dead on a Hampton's yacht.

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Speaker 2: And I can tell you this, nothing good happens after midnight. Midnight,

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Speaker 2: Hampton's is the playground for millionaires. A dead woman on

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Speaker 2: a yacht. I'm easy, Grace, this is Crime Stories. I

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Speaker 2: want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Blood curdling screams heard in the middle of the night

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Speaker 3: at the Montaka Yacht Club. First responders board the boat

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Speaker 3: to find thirty three year old Martha nolan Oslatterer unconscious.

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Speaker 3: A night of partying now shrouded in mystery.

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Speaker 1: I can't stress it enough.

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Speaker 2: I've told a million juries this nothing good happens after midnight,

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Speaker 2: and all of the wealthy neighbors thereby that yacht club

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Speaker 2: here screams at midnight and a woman's body found on

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Speaker 2: one of the yachts. Dot there straight out to Tasa Tails,

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Speaker 2: joining us investigative reporter star of Tasa Tales on YouTube

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Speaker 2: Tisa what do we know right now?

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Speaker 4: What we know right now is that this woman was

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Speaker 4: found unresponsive. There was a naked man screaming in an

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Speaker 4: elusive private club. But the thing is the police aren't

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Speaker 4: giving that much information. But if you know anything about

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Speaker 4: the Hamptons and you know anything about Montalk, what they're

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Speaker 4: not telling us is explaining the whole story. Montalk is

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Speaker 4: literally the end of the Hamptons. It is exclusive, it

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Speaker 4: is wealthy, it is sexy, but it is also very quiet,

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Speaker 4: unlike the Hamptons. When wherever something happens in Montak. In

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Speaker 4: Hampton's it's on the front page of page six and Montak,

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Speaker 4: things quietly get swept under the rug. They're letting us know.

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Speaker 4: Oh you know, they're not released who actually found them.

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Speaker 4: The boyfriend's name, which is highly unusual. It was his shot.

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Speaker 4: He owns Tune in the Marina. And lets you know,

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Speaker 4: this man either comes from deep pockets, deep money, maybe both.

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Speaker 4: When you get into Montak, billionaires go to play. Everybody

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Speaker 4: knows everybody. She was very well known. But yet, but yet,

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Speaker 4: there is hardly anything in the media being released about this.

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Speaker 4: A lot of residents are thinking that something is being

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Speaker 1: And let me just tell you something about Montak.

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Speaker 4: There have been confirmed drug rings where it's for limmel.

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Speaker 4: Drivers are delivering drugs flown in fresh from the dr

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Speaker 4: This has been confirmed. There are billionaires, there are wanna

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Speaker 4: be billionaires.

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Speaker 1: I mean in tasa tails.

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Speaker 2: You're telling me that unlike a lot of people I've

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Speaker 2: prosecuted that sailed up on the corner. The people are

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Speaker 2: so rich in the Hamptons, and Montak is at the

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Speaker 2: very tip of the island, which means you're not just wealthy,

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Speaker 2: you're megawealthy because you're away from the great unwashed that

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Speaker 2: are at the rest of the Hamptons and they have

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Speaker 2: their dope flown and from Dominican Republic to be delivered.

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Speaker 4: Did you just say that white glove service, Nancy, white

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Speaker 4: glove service. It is literally a white glove service where

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Speaker 4: you get an exclusive list of not.

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Speaker 1: Just the drugs that the commoners use.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's cope, there's MDA, there are designer drugs

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Speaker 4: flown in especially and is delivered white glove service. I

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Speaker 4: think about four rings so far have been busted. But

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Speaker 4: this goes into the Montague. Why haven't you heard that?

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Speaker 4: Because things get swept under the rug. You look at

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Speaker 4: the Montaks. If you do any research, they'll be the

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Speaker 4: first to tell you we've never had any instances with murder.

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Speaker 4: And what has been a bastion of the wealthy, the billionaires,

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Speaker 4: the parties, and all those sturdy little secrets that come

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Speaker 4: absurd to think where there is that much money, power

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Speaker 4: and hangar ones that nothing in the whole history of

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Speaker 4: Montak has happened besides the designer drug delivery service. Again,

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Speaker 4: the reason why all eyes are on Montak, or, as

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Speaker 4: they like to call it, the End, is the fact

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Speaker 4: that things get brushed under. People might be paid off,

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Speaker 4: people might be might be scared to speak, but the

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Speaker 4: billionaires love to keep it quiet. So all eyes in

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Speaker 4: New York are looking into what's going on in Montak

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Speaker 4: because at the end of the day, it's so exclusive.

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Speaker 1: Even most New Yorkers don't.

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Speaker 4: Know what happens behind that facade.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Dan Murphy joining US former NYPD detective sergeant,

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Speaker 2: Joint Terrorism Task Force now star of the Goal Shows podcast. Dan,

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Speaker 2: She's right, we never hear about anything going wrong in

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Speaker 2: the Hampton's much less Montalk. You might see a movie

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Speaker 2: here and there, you know you just had murder in

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Speaker 2: the Hampton's blah blah blah, but it's all make believe.

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Speaker 2: Why do we never hear about the real truth. There's

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Speaker 2: got to be crime in the Hamptons, Suffolk.

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Speaker 5: County, and that whole area is there's a lot of

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Speaker 5: money out there, and where there's money, there is a

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Speaker 5: media control, whether it's real or implied. And I think

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Speaker 5: out there you will never hear all that dirt unless

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Speaker 5: they want you to hear it. This is an area

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Speaker 5: that is so exclusive. People have so much money they

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Speaker 5: want to keep it as clean as possible. They do

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Speaker 5: not want their dirty laundry aired, and they will go

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Speaker 5: to great lengths to do that. They have to keep

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Speaker 5: the property values up. They have to keep the money

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Speaker 5: flowing out. The rich people have to feel they can

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Speaker 5: go there safely and do whatever it is they want

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Speaker 5: to do. Most don't do illicit things, but some do.

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Speaker 5: This is an area where you're going to see people

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Speaker 5: and just either not want to believe it. It's not

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Speaker 5: too different from the Upper East Side of Manhattan. People

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Speaker 5: think the Upper east Side of Manhattan is just a

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Speaker 5: playground for the rich. In many ways, it can be,

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Speaker 5: but there's also dirtiness behind the covers.

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Speaker 2: You know, Dan Murphy, when you hear phrases thrown around

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Speaker 2: like police are being tight lipped. We can't get answers.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's talking, swept under the rug. You don't know where

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Speaker 2: to start exactly. We know so little about this. Basically

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Speaker 2: we had to fight to find out the name of

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Speaker 2: the yacht. It's Ripple that said, when you don't know

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Speaker 2: where to start, you start with the victim.

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Speaker 1: Who is she? Listen?

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Speaker 6: Hi, I'm Martha, the founder, CEO, crew director. You name

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Speaker 6: us of East Way East. We are launching a resort

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Speaker 6: waar Line soon. We just got our first ridings humble Back,

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Speaker 6: and I want you to share first lucks with you

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Speaker 6: and see what you think. We got another coachet. This

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Speaker 6: is flor Lem, absolutely stunning on a tritter on I

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Speaker 7: Living her best life, posting pictures with friends on private jets,

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Speaker 7: helicopters and yachts. Martha is becoming a legend as the

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Speaker 7: founder of fashion label East by East.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Greg Morse, veteran trial lawyer, criminal defense

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Speaker 2: attorney at Morse Legal and author of the Untested on Amazon, Greg,

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Speaker 2: she's being made out to be a party girl. I

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Speaker 2: don't think that's true and I'll tell you why. Everything

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Speaker 2: I have been able to find out about her is

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Speaker 2: that she was raised in a very small town, very

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Speaker 2: small town. Her dream was to quote make it in

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Speaker 2: tooth and nail to create her own business. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if this is the Hampton's pr machine behind the scenes,

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Speaker 2: painting her to be the party girl so people don't care. Basically,

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Speaker 2: she asked for it, she got it. Have you ever

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Speaker 2: seen that happen where the victim is maligned?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you see.

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Speaker 8: That in these wealthy areas. I've been practicing law for

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Speaker 8: twenty five years in Palm Beach, one of the wealthiest

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Speaker 8: zip codes in the world, and police law enforcement in

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Speaker 8: these places like in Montalk the Hampton's a rich zip code, They're,

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Speaker 8: in my opinion, paid to keep things quiet for the residents.

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Speaker 8: Tisa hit the nail on the head when she talked

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Speaker 8: about these communities wanting to present safety, wanting to present

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Speaker 8: there's no crime. We see that a lot also in

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Speaker 8: Boca Raton in South Florida. The way statistics are manipulated

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Speaker 8: so they want to In this case, it sounds like

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Speaker 8: they're trying to make it seem like maybe she didn't

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Speaker 8: belong who cares a quote unquote you know person's that's

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Speaker 8: not normal out here, so this won't happen again. She

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Speaker 8: does seem a little bit like maybe accelerating her success

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Speaker 8: through social media.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: You know, I want to go to doctor Chloe Carmichael

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Speaker 2: jumping off what Greg Morse just told us. Doctor Chloe

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Speaker 2: renowned psychologist and author of Nervous Energy Harness The Power

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Speaker 2: of Your Anxiety Dodtor Chloe. Much has been made also,

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Speaker 2: not only for her being called a party girl, which

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Speaker 2: I don't think is true from what I can tell

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Speaker 1: She has worked, as.

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Speaker 2: I said, day and night, climbed tooth and claw to

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Speaker 2: create her business. You know how hard it is to

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Speaker 2: break into fashion designing people before they even start, because

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Speaker 2: it's so hard to do much less in New York City,

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Speaker 2: And somehow she managed to get in out in the Hamptons. Also,

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Speaker 2: she's being mocked for what she posts online. Hey, so

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Speaker 2: many people do it. They make their life seem ideally.

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Speaker 2: My daughter was looking up breakfasts the other day on

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Speaker 2: Insta and getting recipes, and she makes these beautiful organic

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Speaker 2: of organic strawberries in front of them. Really, that is

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Speaker 2: not real. So I don't fault her. I mean, look

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Speaker 2: at the Kardashians, You think all that's real.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not.

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Speaker 2: A lot of it is posed to give an image,

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Speaker 2: an image that will help them with their business. They're

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Speaker 2: not idiots. Okay, that's what she's doing. And I don't

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Speaker 2: like her being mocked for it.

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Speaker 9: No, Absolutely, Nancy, as you said, in New York City

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Speaker 9: there are some of the most hardworking, not to mention

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Speaker 9: oftentimes beautiful, just like this beautiful young woman. And so no,

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Speaker 9: I definitely wouldn't think that just because she's putting out

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Speaker 9: great content online that hello, she's in the fashion business.

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Speaker 9: Of course she's going to be putting out, you know,

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Speaker 9: image conscious material. That makes perfect sense. And to your

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Speaker 9: point earlier about nothing good happening after midnight, from a

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Speaker 9: psychological perspective, it's actually very true because tempers flair people sometimes.

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Speaker 9: You know, if there was foul play here people could

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Speaker 9: you know, maybe have been drinking all day or using

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Speaker 9: drugs throughout the day. Also on a yacht, we're talking

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Speaker 9: about a place that's off limits to the police, for example,

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Speaker 9: So there's a very a sense of privacy.

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Speaker 2: Guys, we're showing video that she has posted. Now, I

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Speaker 2: guarantee you she is sharing this private plane with somebody.

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Speaker 2: Somebody's given her a ride and she is, like so

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Speaker 2: many celebrities, giving the appearance that she has a private plane. Well,

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Speaker 2: she is on a private plane. They cost a lot

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Speaker 2: of money, over twenty grand. Let's take a look at more.

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Speaker 2: What more do we know about Martha?

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Speaker 6: Hello, Hello, my name is Martha. I am the founder

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Speaker 6: and CEO of East by East. So east by East

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Speaker 6: is Ainger's warber Brant. East by East stands for new

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Speaker 6: Work for the Hamptons. A tagline is built in the city,

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Speaker 6: made for the Sun. I absolutely adore it. I think

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Speaker 6: it resonates with so many people on so many levels

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Speaker 6: because it at some point everyone in their lives are

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Speaker 6: the Sun. I know I am, and pretty much everyone

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Speaker 2: She was putting out the social putting it out, putting

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Speaker 2: it out, trying to get eyes on her workplace, her

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Speaker 10: Listen, just after midnight, the calm over the serene Montauk

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Speaker 1: That's my girlfriend. That's my girlfriend running around naked. No

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Speaker 4: The police were actually on the scene from four am on.

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Speaker 4: This is an active investigation. Again, the police cannot say

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Speaker 4: Them because even when something has happened, people seem to

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Speaker 4: giving twin peaks David Lynch era creepiness surround it by money,

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Speaker 1: Dan Murphy, that's total bs. They have no idea what

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can look at a body and teil

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Speaker 2: for injection sites. There is no way they have no

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Speaker 1: That's not true.

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Speaker 5: When you look at a scene. A scene will tell

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Speaker 5: don't know. They're being tight lipped, as they said, and

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Speaker 1: Dan Murphy up, you know, Dan Murphy.

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Speaker 2: Look, nobody on this panel just fell off the turnip truck.

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Speaker 1: Murphy.

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Speaker 2: You put a dead woman after midnight on a yacht

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Speaker 2: in the Hampton's screams and a naked guy. Is somebody

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Speaker 2: suggesting that this was just death by natural cause? Is

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Speaker 1: Ever? With what a heart attack?

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Speaker 5: I'm not suggesting that. I mean, I don't know, but

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Speaker 5: I do know this much. I know that the scene

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Speaker 5: of particular hemorrhaging will tell you if there's asphyxia.

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Speaker 3: The beautiful thirty three year old shares glimpses of her

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Speaker 2: What happened to this beautiful young fashion designer that was

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Speaker 1: Then she's thrown into the.

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Speaker 2: Melieu at the Hampton's, specifically the Montauk Yacht Club. So

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Speaker 2: far they're not responding to calls and questions. Hmmm, wonder

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Speaker 2: why you know they don't want to be near anything

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Speaker 2: close to a dead woman's body on a yacht part

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Speaker 2: at their yacht club. No, no, wonder they're not returning

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Speaker 2: phone calls or emails. Same thing with the LA there

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Speaker 2: law enforcement. You can't put them down. Why the secrecy? Well,

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Speaker 2: first of all, when you don't know where to go,

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Speaker 2: you look at your victim, because that's all you've got.

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Speaker 1: Let's take another look at her.

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Speaker 6: Hi, I'm Maithia's the founder, CEO, crew director, you name

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Speaker 6: it of East Way East. We are launching a resort

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Speaker 6: wear line soon. We just got our first riding shambles

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Speaker 1: This is floor them.

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Speaker 6: You can see competing the details absolute, She's stunning.

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Speaker 5: On.

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Speaker 6: I tried it on.

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Speaker 1: I think this will be a catering to the rich

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Speaker 2: They're in the Hampton specifically mon Talk again joining me

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Speaker 2: in all star panels, Trade out to Sydney Sumner joining

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Speaker 2: me Crime Stories investigative reporter Sidney, what can you tell

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Speaker 11: Well, Nancy, this is a very big yacht club, spanning

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Speaker 11: sixteen acres. They have access to one of the largest

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Speaker 11: marinas in the Hamptons. There's a restaurant, there's a pool,

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Speaker 11: of space to host events. And as far as I know,

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Speaker 11: this is a very high end area. This is a

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Speaker 2: Well mare, can you tell me, Lisa the mon talk

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Speaker 2: yach clubs exclusive.

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Speaker 1: It is sexy.

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Speaker 4: It is everything that you would see from a show

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Speaker 4: like Billions where they're having their summer holiday. The cheapest

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Speaker 4: room during high season is fifteen hundred okay. To dock

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Speaker 1: Yacht whatever they want to call it.

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Speaker 4: You know, rich people like calling yachts boats okay, whatever

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Speaker 4: they want to call it. The down play the old money.

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Speaker 1: They have some of the highest docking fees.

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Speaker 4: On top of that, the rich are coward are literally

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Speaker 4: fighting in line to get their boats ducked. They have

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Speaker 4: an exclusive private beach miles and miles some of the

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Speaker 4: exclusive to the guests. You must be someone Okay, your

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Speaker 4: bank account must have high self.

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Speaker 1: Esteem for you to be there.

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Speaker 4: But the thing is about Montak that is actually really

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Speaker 4: offensive about the way they're classifying this victim as the

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Speaker 4: party girl. No offense, but if you are in the partying,

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Speaker 4: you will be in Hampton. Mom Talk is where people

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Speaker 4: that work hard, that are either generational or self made

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Speaker 1: Again, what do we have. A woman that got herself

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Speaker 1: out of a small town. Okay, rags the.

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Speaker 4: Rich a story managed She managed funds, She managed a

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Speaker 4: lot of businesses until she got enough capital because she.

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Speaker 1: Was smart, she had a good brain on her shoulders.

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Speaker 4: She got enough capital and a dog eat dog fashion industry, which, by.

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Speaker 1: The way, in New York.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's trying to be either a model, an actress, a

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Speaker 4: to the top and a dog eat dog. Okay, and

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Speaker 4: she was there celebrating. Just three weeks earlier she had

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Speaker 1: In Montalk by the Mon Talk Yacht Club.

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Speaker 4: Okay, this girl was beautiful, smart, she was a go getter.

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Speaker 4: She was found in an exclusive yacht club. We're only

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Speaker 1: Again?

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Speaker 2: I have a hard time Doctor Thomas Coin joining US

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Speaker 2: Chief Medical Examiner, District Team Medical Examiner's Office, State of Florida.

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Speaker 2: Never a lack of business, pathologist, toxicologist, neuropathologist, and more,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Coin. That's total bs that they have no idea

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Speaker 2: the COEOD cause of death.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to Dan Murphy about it earlier.

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Speaker 2: Why would a cop even say that unless they wanted

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Speaker 2: Is there a gunshot wound?

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Speaker 1: Is there ligature? Is there a manual? You can't always tell.

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Speaker 2: Asphyxiation, poison, OD, but you can get a really good idea.

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Speaker 1: Right. But yeah, there was no.

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Speaker 12: Violent means of death here, But it doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: I would also say.

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Speaker 12: That, you know, in this case, there was no reporter

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Speaker 12: know she could still have a pulmonary embolist or blood

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Speaker 12: perhaps even like a ruptured him up.

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Speaker 1: There was a coin there, he is dot a coin, yep,

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Speaker 1: if there was something that was You.

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Speaker 2: Graduated near the top of your class in medical school.

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Speaker 2: I know you're a taschologist, a pathologist, and so much more,

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Speaker 2: but you're actually I had to see your face. I

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Speaker 2: want to make sure you're saying is with a straight face.

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Speaker 2: It's after midnight. You got a guy running around naked

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Speaker 2: A dead girl screams, and you're actually saying maybe she

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Speaker 12: No, no, no, I'm saying there wasn't any natural If

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Speaker 12: To me, if I were a betting person, I would

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, Cooin. Remember you're

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Speaker 2: Dan Murphy, I want you to break it down and

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Speaker 2: cop taught everything Coin just said, because when he says

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Speaker 2: it's going to be toxicology. In other words, she could

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Speaker 2: imagine that, just one moment, lying through your rear end. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that would be right lying through his rear end. That

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Speaker 2: she choked on her own vomit. And we all believe

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Speaker 2: Carlos and Charlie's that would be voluntary manslaughter at the least,

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Speaker 2: if not murder, felony murder. In other words, when you

435
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Speaker 2: slip somebody a roofie, a date rape, drug, or anything

436
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Speaker 2: in their drink, that is an aggravated assault, akin to

437
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Speaker 2: shooting them or stabbing them or hitting them in the

438
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Speaker 2: head with a rock. That's an aggravated assault. So if

439
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Speaker 2: someone dies during an aggravated assault or any other felony

440
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Speaker 2: like burglary, like rape, that equals felony murder. A death

441
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Speaker 2: occurred during the commission of a felony, it can be

442
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Speaker 2: any felony, but if a death occurs during it.

443
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Speaker 1: Here's a great example.

444
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Speaker 2: You and I decide to rob a bank, and before

445
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Speaker 2: we go in, I say, listen, Murphy, and nobody's dying today.

446
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 2: Nobody's going to die. Okay, don't pull your gun. You

447
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: go in and the first thing you do is shoot

448
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: the teller dead. I'm just trying to get some money,

449
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 2: but I'm going to be charge of felony murder because

450
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Speaker 2: a death occurred while I'm committing a felony. So if

451
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Speaker 2: anyone puts something in her drink and she dies, that

452
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Speaker 2: can be a felony murder. So when he is saying toxicology,

453
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Speaker 2: that can mean a whole lot of things.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, toxicology is going to tell you a lot of things,

455
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Speaker 5: but it may not tell you a lot of things

456
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Speaker 5: exactly how those substances got into her body. If that

457
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Speaker 5: is what the cause of death is determined to be. Now,

458
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Speaker 5: in that situation, we always look at the totality of

459
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Speaker 5: the circumstances. We had these screams being heard by other

460
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Speaker 5: people in an area where you do not hear screams

461
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Speaker 5: unless it's probably somebody laughing loud. We've got screams heard

462
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Speaker 5: from a young woman on a yacht. We've got a

463
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Speaker 5: naked guy running around screaming like a lunatic. That's my girlfriend.

464
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Speaker 5: That's my girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: You know another thing, Hold on right there, right there,

466
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Speaker 2: Dan Murphy, before we lose the thought, Greg Morris.

467
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Speaker 1: Something Murphy just said.

468
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Speaker 2: Normally, if this were anywhere but the Hampton's, you would

469
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Speaker 2: see the boyfriend, the naked boyfriend, and he would be

470
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Speaker 2: on the front page of the post with a little

471
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: black box digitally removed penis. Okay, we wouldn't show that.

472
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 2: He'd be on the front of the Hampton's News. The

473
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: Montak news, the everything. But we can't even get his

474
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Speaker 2: name again. He hasn't been charged with anything, but I

475
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Speaker 2: mean something. The owner of the yacht, the witness. Why

476
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Speaker 2: aren't we seeing anything? And no one has attributed any

477
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Speaker 2: wrongdoing to him?

478
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Speaker 1: Yet where is he?

479
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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well that's again, like the other people have talked about.

481
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Speaker 1: This is a wealthy area.

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Speaker 8: It's right by the Memory Motel made famous by the

483
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Speaker 8: Rolling Stones. They made a song about the hotel. But

484
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Speaker 8: this is being kept quiet because it's a rich dip

485
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Speaker 8: code and it'll hurt tourism. And this is what happens

486
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Speaker 8: in places that perceive themselves as special because of money.

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Speaker 3: During a glamorous summer trip in montac New York, thirty

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Speaker 3: three year old Martha Nolan o'slatter up or is a

489
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Speaker 3: so called party vote, but her dream life takes a

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Speaker 3: chilling turn.

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Speaker 2: Party girl, party girl, party girl. Why are they saying

492
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Speaker 2: that about her? Do they think we won't care? They

493
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Speaker 2: did something similar in the Long Island serial killer case

494
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Speaker 2: Rex Huerman Mahee Rottenhill waiting for trial, who murdered one

495
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Speaker 2: sex worker after the next, after the next. Is even

496
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Speaker 2: a child that was murdered? I guess because the child

497
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: was with the mom. All of those victims have been

498
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Speaker 2: dragged through the mud like we wouldn't care about them.

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Speaker 2: Are they doing the same thing with Martha? How would

500
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Speaker 2: you feel? This your child? And she's being portrayed like that.

501
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: She is anything but a party girl.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 7: Growing up, Martha studies commerce at university before earning a

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Speaker 7: master's in Digital marketing from the Smurfit Business School. Describing

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Speaker 7: herself as the small town girl who needed to get

506
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Speaker 7: out to achieve her big dreams, Martha says fashion is

507
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 7: a tough industry and it would be a slow road.

508
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 7: At twenty six, she leaves her small town and relocates

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Speaker 7: in New York City. Martha begins launching pop up events

510
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Speaker 7: to promote her summerware fashion label East by East in

511
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Speaker 7: the Hamptons and quickly gains recognition Bush.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. We launched about two years ago and.

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Speaker 6: We had a first retail location pop up in montal

514
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Speaker 6: in the Montepee House, and Yeah, will be going back

515
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 6: there this.

516
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Speaker 1: Summer, so you will see us there.

517
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Speaker 6: We'll be doing some brand activations, some brand partnerships, some

518
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 6: like wellness stuff, and we will also of course throw

519
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Speaker 6: some parties, some cool parties with really cool DJs. So yeah, stay.

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Speaker 1: Tuned for that.

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00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: I wonder how much she was trying to scramble to

522
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Speaker 2: find a place to throw a pool party for her

523
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Speaker 2: rich clients.

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Speaker 1: But listen to what she did.

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Speaker 2: She grows up in a small town, studies commerce at

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Speaker 2: university before getting a master's degree in digital marketing, and

527
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: somehow reaches her goal of relocating in New York City.

528
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Speaker 1: Very hard to do.

529
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Speaker 2: It is a dog eat dog world, launching pop up

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Speaker 2: events to promote her fashion label, and finally she launches

531
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Speaker 2: a retail location in montaut Walton Beach House. Wow, Okay,

532
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter.

533
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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about that?

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00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: Because I'm thinking, sid she put all this online. Anybody

535
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: can read it. She's basically saying here, I am, come

536
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: and get me.

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00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 11: She was a very frequent social media user because she

539
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 11: needed to promote her fashion line and now there was

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Speaker 11: a separate social media presence for East by East. But

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Speaker 11: Martha Nolan herself was also always posting about her brand,

542
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 11: trying to make it bigger. So lots of people knew

543
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 11: who she was, had met her in person. I'm sure

544
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 11: she spent day and Dave at her papa, So it

545
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 11: wasn't just somebody running it. I'm sure she was there

546
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 11: herself as someone who is so driven and wants to

547
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 11: succeed and wants their brand to say seed. And it's

548
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 11: also heartbreaking. We saw a post from Martha's best friend

549
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 11: who funded East by East saying goodbye to her and

550
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 11: saying what a good friend she was and how inspired

551
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 11: and how successful he hoped she would be with this line.

552
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 11: So it was heartbreaking to see that. But yeah, so

553
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 11: people were very, very familiar with her life just from

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00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 11: her social media presence.

555
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: That brings it up to it was a whole investigation,

556
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: up to a lot more suspects because of her social

557
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: media presence advertising where she is. But what do we

558
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: know about that night?

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00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: Listen it's such a chill resort.

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00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 13: It's such a chill atmosphere and you never see anything

561
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 13: remotely like this, so it was unnerving.

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Speaker 7: After the East Hampton Town police and first responders pronounced

563
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Speaker 7: Martha dead, the county's homicide squad arrives on scene around

564
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Speaker 7: four am and takes over the investigation. The preliminary investigation

565
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 7: in an examiner and conclusive regarding the cause of death.

566
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 7: And an autopsy was performed by the Suffolk County Medical Examiner.

567
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Speaker 7: Final cause of death is pending further examination.

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Speaker 1: So you just think of mon Talk as you know,

569
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Speaker 1: a happy place.

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00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and people come out here to vacation, spend their

571
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Speaker 4: time with their family.

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00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: Well, just a very small quaint safetown. From our friends

573
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: at NBC Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

574
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: To doctor Thomas Coin, medical examiner, pathologists, toxicologists, neuropathologists.

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Speaker 1: What will they be doing in the.

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00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: Autopsy to determine cood specifically since they're telling us right

577
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: now that there's not any obvious sign of death, in

578
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: other words, no stab marks. But you know, when you

579
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: think about it, doctor Coin, remember Ellen Greenberg stabbed thirty

580
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: times and including in the back, and the police said

581
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: that was a suicide. Okay, with Epstein, he's clearly got

582
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: a ligature mark across horizontally his neck, not a U

583
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: shape mark he would find in a hanging, and they.

584
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Speaker 1: Said that was a suicide.

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00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: So how will we get the truth and what will

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Speaker 2: the corn Or medical examiner be looking at to determine

587
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Speaker 2: her cod.

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00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 12: And those two examples, the problem really was a matter

589
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 12: of death. But because of death in this case, they

590
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 12: did a thorough autopsy which included an external and internal examination,

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00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 12: so they would have been able to determine if she

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00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 12: had any fatal injuries as I mentioned, skull fractures, bleeding

593
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 12: in the brain or around the brain, stab wounds, gunshot wounds,

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00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 12: or evidence of strangulation. With regards to natural disease, obviously

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00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 12: there's no significant natural disease processes, but they're probably going

596
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 12: to continue to do additional histological sections.

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00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: Can you say that, DoD Coin.

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00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, can we clarify when you say no, some natural

599
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: disease you mean like cancer.

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00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 12: No obvious cancer or structural heart defects. So a young

601
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 12: person very rare for a person and for rage to

602
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 12: have a heart attack, right, but there are certain underlying

603
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 12: cardiomyopathies or genital heart defects that can cause a sudden

604
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 12: cardiac rhythmia where they could you know, the heartstop put

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Speaker 12: them up.

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00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: You're back on a heart attack on a young girl,

607
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: on a young with a naked friend at mid time.

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Speaker 1: Well, sure, I've seen everything you need to get.

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00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: Off the natural causes doctor, and I'm going back to

610
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: natural causes.

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00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 12: It was a natural cause. You ask me what they're

612
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 12: doing with the autopsy procedure. Because they did not find

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Speaker 12: anything to indicate a fatal injury, They're going to look

614
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Speaker 12: a little bit deeper to make sure there wasn't an

615
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 12: underlying genetic variation that could cause a sudden part rhythm

616
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 12: abnormality while they're waiting for toxicology results to come back.

617
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 12: So they're going to keep everything open just to make

618
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 12: sure they can find the cause of death. But right now,

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Speaker 12: there's no obvious cause of that. There's no fatal injury

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00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 12: that they could see on the external or internal examination. So,

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Speaker 12: like I said, right now, they're going to follow up

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Speaker 12: toxicology testing and they may do additional testing to try

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Speaker 12: to catch something that they couldn't see with their eyes

624
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 12: at the autopic So for instance, like mildcarditis or inflammation

625
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 12: in the brain, something that you have to use a

626
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 12: microscope to find. That's a last ditch resort finding. But

627
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 12: right now they're just waiting on toxicology because there was

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Speaker 12: no obvious fatal injury that they were able to see

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Speaker 12: during the autopo.

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Speaker 2: Don't you coin, how do you determine if someone was

631
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: for instance, slift slip to Ruthie ghb Gamma hydroxyped, right,

632
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: how do you determine that?

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Speaker 12: So I would have a toxicology report that would just

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Speaker 12: label or identify, excuse me, the drugs that were found.

635
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 12: If it's an unusual substance like rue, hypnol or or

636
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 12: for instance, GHB, you would have to then turn back

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00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 12: to your law enforcement officers and try to figure out

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Speaker 12: how they obtained that drug. Because at autopsy and even

639
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 12: the toxicology if where wouldn't.

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00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: Mean how do you physically do it? Coin?

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00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 2: Do you take tissue? What is tissue? How much do

642
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 2: you take? Where do you get it? Do you draw blood?

643
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: How long can you draw? How long can you have

644
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: a dead body and still draw blood? I mean, how

645
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: do you get it?

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00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 11: Sure?

647
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 12: So we take blood at autopsy, we get blood if available,

648
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 12: We'll try to get any other fluids that may be

649
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 12: present in the body, so I fluid or vitreous fluid.

650
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 12: We get urine, we can get bile. We can also

651
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 12: get tissue. So sometimes our cases are decomposed, we'll have

652
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 12: to try to obtain tissue to see if we can

653
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Speaker 12: find the presence of a drug. That may not allow

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Speaker 12: us to tell you the amount of the drug or

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Speaker 12: a good idea of what that person had in their

656
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Speaker 12: system at the time of death, but it at least

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Speaker 12: allow us to identify a drug. And in this case,

658
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Speaker 12: she was pronounced dead on scene, but there was no

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Speaker 12: evidence of decomposition. She probably died at some time after

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Speaker 12: midnight before she was found, so therefore she should have

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Speaker 12: plenty of blood for testing as well as other fluids.

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Speaker 2: As the body ages say, when you're getting to two hours,

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Speaker 2: five hours, ten hours, is it harder to get blood

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Speaker 2: out of a body to test? And when you say

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Speaker 2: we obtain tissue, what does that mean? You scrape some

666
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Speaker 2: sen skin cells, you get a piece of her liver,

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Speaker 2: What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Break it down. I didn't get my MD. I'm just

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Speaker 1: a trial will really.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, So it's very easy to obtain blood at autopsy

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Speaker 12: from a person who is recently deceased. So all the

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Speaker 12: blood is still going to be present within their vascular

674
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Speaker 12: system and within their hearts. So we try to obtain

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Speaker 12: blood from both a peripheral source and a heart source

676
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Speaker 12: because after death, drugs are in blood can redistribute, so

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Speaker 12: you want to make sure you're not looking at an

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Speaker 12: abnormal finding, So you want to get both blood sites

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Speaker 12: to compare for toxicology for tissue. As I mentioned, you can.

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Speaker 1: Mean man speak English. Sure, sure. When you say obtain blood, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean put in a needle and you would draw blood

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Speaker 2: just like you would a living person would at the doctor.

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Speaker 1: Two sides. What do you mean by that one off?

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Speaker 1: This on, one off, that on?

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Speaker 2: Or do you mean blood and vitreous fluid from the eye?

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Speaker 1: What is bile? Man, have to work with you before

687
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Speaker 1: I put you on.

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Speaker 12: A stand cooin you get You get blood from a

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Speaker 12: peripheral source like thephemeral vein. You know your leg vein.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 12: So I'm doing the autopsy, I'm opening the body up.

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Speaker 12: I have access to all of those blood vessels as

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Speaker 12: well as the heart. So you literally use a needle

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Speaker 12: and you have pain blood from the heart, or you

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Speaker 12: have pain blood from any vein that you can find that.

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Speaker 1: Has a visible blood.

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Speaker 12: You have access to the bladder, so you literally put

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Speaker 12: a needle into the bladder and you and you pull

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Speaker 12: urine out. You have access to the eye, so you

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Speaker 12: put a needle in the eyes and you pull vitreous

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Speaker 12: flud out. Your bile is in your gall bladder, under

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Speaker 12: your liver. You're pain bile. You try to get as

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Speaker 12: much fluid as you can. Then you have access to

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Speaker 12: liver tissue for testing. You may also get scale of muscle.

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Speaker 12: You can get brain tissue for testing, so you're shry

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Speaker 12: to obtained as many tissues as you can so you

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Speaker 12: have plenty of samples for testing.

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Speaker 3: Blood curdling screams heard in the middle of the night

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Speaker 3: at the Montaque Yacht Club. First responders board the boat

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Speaker 3: to find thirty three year old Martha nolan Oslatterer unconscious.

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Speaker 5: A night of partying now shrouded in mystery.

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Speaker 1: A night of partying is he talking about? We don't

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Speaker 1: know that. All we know she's dead on a yacht.

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Speaker 1: She's very young, very beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Screams wake up neighbors, and a naked man's running around.

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Speaker 2: That's what I know, And I am not buying natural causes.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, Why is.

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Speaker 2: She being painted as a so called party girl? Sounds

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Speaker 2: to me that she worked her whole life to get

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Speaker 2: where she is right now and finally had a tiny

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Speaker 2: taste of success. Anna is dead on a yacht. This

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Speaker 2: is not going to be swept under any rug. I

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Speaker 2: don't care if it's a fancy Persian rug. And somebody's

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Speaker 2: second mansion in mon Talk. No, Anne, Oh, it's not

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Speaker 2: the first time murder has scarred the Hamptons, although they

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00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: would like you to think that's never happened. Does the

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Speaker 2: name Sabina Korhamdale ring a bell?

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Speaker 13: And he was supporting Sabina for I believe the two

729
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Speaker 13: years they were together. He was really helping to support

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Speaker 13: her artistic endeavors.

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Speaker 10: New York artist Sabina korum Del has made quite the

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Speaker 10: name for herself with an art theory blog, The Ruo Journal.

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Speaker 10: But funding Sabina's lifestyle is her boyfriend Thomas Gannon. The

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Speaker 10: couple checks into the ritzy Hampton spa Shashshoogie Bon House,

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Speaker 10: but come Monday morning, a housekeeper finds Sabina violently murdered

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Speaker 10: and Gannon nowhere to be found. Speaking with her lift

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Speaker 10: driver on the way to the spa, a reporter discovers

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Speaker 10: the driver actually took Gann into his Pennsylvania home hours

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Speaker 10: before Sabina was found dead.

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Speaker 13: The woman that I'm actually reporting on was found dead

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Speaker 13: in Harum, you know, hours later. My gut instinct was like,

742
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Speaker 13: this is just too strange. What would a man be

743
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Speaker 13: walking out of a spot at eat in the morning

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Speaker 13: asking for a lift.

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Speaker 2: That's from our friends at True Crime News. Wow, does

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Speaker 2: anybody see the similarities to doctor Chloe Carmichael joining us

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Speaker 2: renowned psychologist doctor Chloe another young, beautiful female entrepreneur dead Hampton's.

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Speaker 9: Yes, Nancy, it's really quite incredible. Obviously, we don't know

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Speaker 9: if there's a connection. But what we do know, of

750
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Speaker 9: course about the Hamptons is that there's a lot of

751
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Speaker 9: power and a lot of money. Sometimes that can create

752
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Speaker 9: a lot of drive and a lot of passion, maybe

753
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Speaker 9: people who feel like they're very used to getting their

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Speaker 9: own way. Also, Unfortunately, I've been to the Hamptons myself.

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Speaker 9: I've not participated in the drug culture there, but I

756
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 9: have witnessed it firsthand. We do know that things can

757
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Speaker 9: get very hot, very out of hand in the Hamptons,

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Speaker 9: so perhaps that we do have some foul play at

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Speaker 9: issue here.

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Speaker 1: I've been there too normally.

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Speaker 2: When I was invited to speak for a charity, I

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Speaker 2: was totally a dog upstairs. You know, he knows he's

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Speaker 2: not supposed to be up there, but he's up there, right.

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Speaker 2: He knows he's going to get in trouble for being there.

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Speaker 2: That's what that felt like it wasn't just Sabina ted

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Speaker 2: am On the.

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Speaker 3: Hampton sees a murder investigation when ted Amman is found

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Speaker 3: beaten to death in his multimillion dollar mansion, just a

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Speaker 3: day before he was set to sign divorce papers with

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Speaker 3: wife gener Rosa, who had already moved on with high

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Speaker 3: school dropout and convicted felon Danny Pelosi. The couple Mary's

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Speaker 3: just three months later, Generosa and Pelosi already under suspicion

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Speaker 3: for a murder. Pelosi challenges Generosi's will and more.

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Speaker 14: On Emmon And it was that weekend that had had

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Speaker 14: to die because Monday the agreement was supposed to be

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Speaker 14: signed only one hundred times.

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Speaker 5: One hundred times maybe it's going to be happy, but

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Speaker 5: one hundred times he likes to kill a hud.

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Speaker 13: The person who committed the crime is the one that

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Speaker 13: took the hot drive out and disposed of it.

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Speaker 5: And who was that person?

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Speaker 1: Oh, that was definitely Danny Pelosi.

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Speaker 2: That from our friends at forty eight hours. What rich

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Speaker 2: people do for even more money? I mean Dan Murphy

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Speaker 2: homicide Detective that Starved Goldshields podcast. You know, it's a

786
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Speaker 2: whole nother mindset. What really wealthy people will do they'll

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Speaker 2: kill to get more money so that nobody, as they

788
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Speaker 2: perceive it, takes their money, or to cover up something

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Speaker 2: normally to do with money.

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Speaker 1: It's it's hard to get into their heads.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, when it comes to money in greed, I've seen

792
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 5: people out of greed do things that they probably would

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Speaker 5: never have envisioned themselves doing. And there's also the desire

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Speaker 5: to hold onto or build upon a lifestyle that you want,

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Speaker 5: and this has driven many people to either hire someone

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Speaker 5: to kill somebody or to take it into their own hands.

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Speaker 5: This is not uncommon at all, and it's a motivating

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Speaker 5: factor from many people for homicide.

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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the

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Speaker 2: death of this beautiful young fashion designer found dead on

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Speaker 2: somebody's expensive yacht, please dial six' three to one eight

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Speaker 2: five two six three ninety six six' three one eight

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Speaker 2: five to two six three Nine Six nancy gray signing off.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend