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I am coming to you from Abu 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.800 Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates. I am here as 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:30.039 part of the broadcast team for The Zone fight Dmitri 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.760 Bevil Gilberto Ramirez terrific fight. I'm gonna get into that 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.319 and much more with my guest this week, Adi Oladipo, 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:39.520 a broadcaster with the Zone, is a lot of other 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:43.039 media over in the UK. He's gonna join me, Eddie Hearn, 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:45.600 the promoter of this event. He's gonna join me to 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:47.960 run through a whole bunch of topics. So we get 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.320 a lot to get to on this show. But I 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:55.120 did want to start off the top by bringing attention 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:59.480 to something I saw last week. Last week on the 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:03.720 under hard of the show headlined by William Zapeta and 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:07.920 Joejoe Diaz, you had a super bantam weight fight between 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:12.320 two undefeated prospects, Hector Valdez, who was the Golden Boy 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:16.600 promoted prospect, and Max Ornelas, who is a free agent 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:21.320 prospect also undefeated, both fifteen. Oh uh. They fought in 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:25.480 the first fight of that telecast and look, I'm not 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:27.520 gonna sit here and say it was a great fight, 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:32.280 but this was a fight that Max Ornelas clearly won. Uh. 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:36.799 He controlled the ring with his movement, he landed more punches, 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:41.560 his combination punching was effective. The eyeball test just told 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:43.680 you that he won the fight. Yet at the end 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:47.080 of the fight, two of the three judges scored the 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:51.799 fight for Valdez seven to ninety three. They effectively gave 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:56.359 Hector Valdez seven of the ten rounds. That's lunacy. We're 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.560 gonna name these judges too. Ryle Kayez Sr. Was the judge. 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:04.480 Ala Andro Rosian was the other judge to score guards 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:08.000 outrageous in my opinion, sitting there, I bring this up 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:13.360 because this happens way too much in boxing, and when 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:19.200 this happens, you've got the lives of fighters that are screwed, 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:23.760 negatively impacted. I spent some time talking to Max ro 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.359 and a last during the week. He knew how big 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.679 a moment this was for him. He knew that if 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.519 he won this fight, he was probably gonna get signed 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.000 by Golden Boy, he would be ranked in the top 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:40.920 ten pound rankings, and he would have some structure to 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:44.720 his career after operating without much over the last few years. 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.240 Now he doesn't have it. He's not going to get 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.120 signed by Golden Boy. He's probably not going to get 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.960 a rematch. I give the w B a credit. They're 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.520 one of the sanctioning bodies. I criticize a lot, but 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.560 in the aftermath of this fight, they actually ranked or 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.720 Naila in the top ten because they saw what everybody 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:06.440 else saw in that Max won that fight. I just 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.600 bring this up because we can't forget when stuff like 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:15.360 this happens, because this is the true awfulness of boxing. 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:19.080 Because at the main event level, if a guy loses 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.960 a fight and the scorecards are if he more likely 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:24.680 than not. If a guys fighting in the main event, 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.160 he's gonna get other opportunities. It sucks for him, don't 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:30.120 get me wrong, but he's gonna get other opportunities. Max 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.719 Ornelas may not get opportunities like that. Again, he might not. 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:37.960 Um hopefully he does, because I hope other promoters watching 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:42.160 saw that he's a talent at ono and deserves uh 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:47.040 to be signed and promoted the proper way. But there 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.240 are countless examples of fighters like or Nalas who have 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:55.560 been robbed by judges and wind up losing tens of thousands, 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.400 hundreds of thousands of dollars some case millions of dollars 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:02.320 in long term earnings because of poor judging. Max Anilis 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:04.960 won the fight last weekend. He did. I'm not saying 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.159 this to criticize Valdez, who was a good fighter. He 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.839 just didn't know what to do with Ornelas in that fight. 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:11.960 His movement killed him. He couldn't cut the ring off 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.080 and that's why he deserved to lose or Nailas deserved 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.159 to win, and he didn't. And we need to pay 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:21.359 attention when ship like this happens, because there's too much 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:25.920 bad judging out there and too little accountability when there 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:30.479 is bad judging and boxing. So let's remember when situations 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.000 like this happened, who the judges are and what the 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:36.600 responses from the commissions, from the promoters, from everybody involved 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.000 when bad judging happens in our sport. All right, that's 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:43.560 my speech to top the show. Now my conversation with 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:48.800 ad Oladipo. All right, have you been able to sleep yet? No? Struggled, 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.960 struggled us just all over the place. There is no 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.400 normal gun to bed at ten, waking up at seven, 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.320 get in my good eight nine hours. It's like waking 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.880 up at two while I'm up at two in the morning. 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:05.360 I don't understand. I felt awful. We're recording this ada 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:08.000 Ala depots here do Zone Broadcaster does a great job 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:13.039 for the network. Um, I we're recording this on Friday morning. 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.480 I'm still completely fine. Is it Friday? It's it's Friday. 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:19.640 It's officially it's Friday morning in Abu Dhabi. We're an 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.440 Abu Dhabi. This side of Dmitri Bevil versus Ramira is 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.960 w a light heavyweight title fight, and hopefully by Saturday 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.200 night we have to be I will be will be 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.480 ready to go. And this is straight Like normally coffee 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.840 does it for me, Like you know, normally a part, 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:34.640 not a cup, by the way, a pot of coffee. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.960 And I'm like yes, but no, it's not. It's having 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.680 the opposite effect. For some reason. How is caffeine making 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.280 me full of sleep? That's when you know there's a problem. Well, 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.120 I've been waking up at like three in the morning 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.760 the last two nights, and like the only thing Netflix 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:54.279 will let me stream is Seinfeld just just streaming old 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.560 it's something else. But we are here in Abu Dhabi 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:02.280 where Bevil ramier As will take place on Saturday, Onto Zone. 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.279 You know. Being here in this region again, I was 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.680 here for a j Ruise Part two, it got me 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.080 thinking like, is this the future of boxing where all 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.640 big events are going to take place in the Middle East? 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:18.000 Because we've had a J fight twice here Beavil Ramirez. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:19.760 Eddie Hern made it clear this is the first of 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:24.960 several more to come Championship Series championship level fights in 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.640 Abu Dhabi, and it seems at least possible that Tyson, 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.200 fury Ax and Usk winds up here at some point 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:32.880 next year. Is this just kind of the future of 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:35.679 boxing now? Yeah, it seems so right. I mean, look, 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.080 I don't want it to be. I think you missed 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:43.880 the hardcore fans, the working class fans that needed in 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.680 the sport, whether it be in America, we get the 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:50.840 Mexicans to Puerto Ricans, the um in English, get the 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:54.560 English fans. They're gonna miss out. But yeah, I mean, 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.000 look at the events that you just mentioned that have happened, 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.480 events that are going to happen. If a J so 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.640 if you're Osi happens, it will happen over here. The 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:04.600 money on offer is too big, and these guys seem 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:06.480 to be able to splash the cash without no fear 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.680 of the fight not making a profit. Once you can 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:11.440 do that and a promoter knows you can do that, 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.640 they're gonna want to come and bring the events here 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.400 all the time. So yeah, it's a shame. I mean, 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.480 I was at the AGA Sick as well, and it's 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:21.720 a different type of atmosphere as to what it was 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:23.840 in Top Noman. I know people are gonna say, but 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:27.840 to them was the biggest state because it's bad. It's 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:32.440 not good like a j Ruise two af after being 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:36.200 an AJA Ruise one Mason Square Garden, which was one of, 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.679 if not the best atmospheres I've ever been in all 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:40.640 the boxing. Do you go from that to a j 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:44.800 Ruise to where it just felt like you're I don't 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:46.520 know how to describe it. It It was a bunch of 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.800 people there that weren't really invested in the product, and 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.280 when you have that, you don't get any kind of 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:54.760 real energy in the crowd. No, no, no, And I'm 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:56.440 not going to mention names, but I've been I was 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.360 out last night and speaking to people that are trying 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.520 to get on the guest list to come. No interest 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.640 in boxing. I just want to be at an event, honestly, 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:05.520 no interest in boxing. As weird here in the names. 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.920 I'm like, you don't know or like boxing, But yeah, 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:10.880 I just want to be here because there's an event 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.560 in Abu Dhabi and that's what you're gonna get. Um. 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.360 So it is a shame that it's happening. But look, 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.640 boxing's are a worldwide sport, and in order to grow 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.360 the sport, I guess it needs to go to places 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.800 like here. Do you buy that though? Like Eddie says 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:28.000 that a lot like trying to grow the sport. I look, 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.400 Eddie's a great promoter. I don't know that he cares 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.960 so much about growing the sport as much as he 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.640 cares about the big paycheck. No, no, no no, you're right 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:38.960 actually on that, because I've questioned Eddie and I said, well, 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:43.000 why we're not doing events in Africa? Where are boxers 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.120 out there and fans of the sport out there? Why 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.079 you're not going there? The simple reasons because there's no money, 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.600 So you want to grow the sport, Let's do smaller 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.120 events in Africa. To show and prove that you want 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.120 to grow the sports. So I'm with you. It's a 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.720 lot of bs, but it just seems as though this 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.960 is all inevitable. I mean, you mentioned the Championship Series. 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:04.079 They're going to do more events here. Every fighter seems 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:05.800 to want to come here because they know the paychecks 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:07.840 are bigger. And I don't blame the fighters, but the 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.280 promoters need to get ahold of it because we can't 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.719 miss out on those big events at the O two 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:17.200 Arena in London. MSG. You know traditional boxing hubs, and 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.280 I think they're the ones that are missing out on 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.400 great fights like this. Like like the people of Abu 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.600 Dhabi really care about Bibul Ramirez, you know, Okay would care. 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:29.000 People in southern California there, you would care. There you go, 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:33.200 it's a massive like everywhere fighting. I've walked around and 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.520 I barely see a poster about it. People don't really 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.920 know about it. People don't know what's happening, So it's 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:39.400 a shame. Well, there's a lot of branding on the 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:42.280 way in. Like on the drive from Dubai to Abu 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.400 Dhabi felt like every quarter mile there was some kind 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.040 of poster on the way and so there was some 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.360 decent branding. But as I'm driving in, I'm wondering, who 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.040 are they branding to, Like, it's not there's a lot 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:56.480 of buildings out here, not a lot of people in 0:10:56.520 --> 0:11:00.199 those buildings. No, no, no, right, I've tried to at 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.520 cheap property here because it's empty. Everything is available, right. 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.240 But um, as long as the fighters, and I've always 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.040 said that the fighters first, the fans second. I know 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.560 it's probably a mix of that, but as long as 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:13.640 the fighters are getting paid, and they were happy to 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.160 quickly mention thank you to Abu Dhabi yesterday in their 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.679 press conference, as they should. Big check coming, the check 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.160 for all of them, everyone in the fight cards. So 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:25.080 I think, to answer your initial question, this probably is 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:26.880 the future of the sport. Is there any way to 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:28.720 counteract it in your mind? Because I've been thinking about 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.880 this for a few days now, and for years we 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:35.040 had promoters trying to get into the Middle East, and 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.720 he was, if not the first, one of the first, 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.400 certainly the first to bring a big event in many, 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:44.480 many years to the Middle East. And now that we're there, 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:46.920 the floodgates are kind of open now, and I don't 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:48.480 know how you close them. I don't know how you 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:53.160 can convince fighters to take sixties seventy cents on the 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:58.000 dollar in order to have an event in London or 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:00.320 in New York or in Las Vegas. Big This might 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.320 be a little bit different because of the site fees. 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.040 You can probably still get big time events there. But 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:08.839 as long as there are you know, look, I don't 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:12.600 know what the total number for of the money Abu 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:14.920 Dhabi's putting up for this event, but it's got to 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:18.760 exceed ten million dollars at least. Oh yeah, absolutely, And 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:20.920 if you are a fighter, I mean I heard so 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:22.920 many fighters yesterday in the press confidence and this is 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.600 like a holiday. They're loving out here. The families are 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.200 out here, They're not going to not want to come 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.079 out here, so you're getting paid more. The weather is great. 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:33.520 They like being out here because they always feel that 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.000 they can get their job done without being disturbed by 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.640 friends and family. I find it difficult to convince a 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.839 fight fan or fighter apologies to not want to be 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.800 out here and get a bit more cheat out or 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.599 do it in Sheffield, no disrespect to Sheffield. What do 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:50.880 you want to do? You want to find Abu Dhabi? 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.640 Do you want to fight in Sheffield or leads you 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.240 don't want to fight Abu Dhabi. So yeah, it's gonna 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.760 be difficult to reverse it. I just hope that some 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.360 promoters or maybe some of the big name fighters that 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.840 already get paid twenty thirty million income think okay, look, 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.240 we're getting paid enough, let's do one at home. But 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:10.320 I doubt it, City doubt it. I don't think it's 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.040 happens either. I think this is where we're gonna wind 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.160 up coming consistently over the next few years. As long 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.760 as Middle Eastern countries want to be in the business, 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:19.840 they're gonna be able. That's the scary thing. By the way, 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.880 as long as they want to be in the business, um, 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.200 and I'm listen, they do want to because they want it, 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.360 to use it as a tool to attract tourism. But 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.000 how long do they want to be in the boxing business? 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.320 Is this just a thing for them? It ain't change 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:38.720 anytime soon? Well, let's hope not, because it's not aund 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:42.240 and it's lovely. Look, I mean as much as beautiful, 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.040 as much as we know haven't got our sleep patterns correct, 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.959 just walking around, the weather, the food, it's a nice 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:49.360 place to be that's great. Right before I went to 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.880 bed at five, I walked the UM, I want to 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:54.559 get into the people. Ramire is fighting a couple of 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.000 other things, but I want to get your take on 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:59.559 something we saw this week Turns Crawford Errol Spence uh 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:04.040 on the negotiating table. Earlier in the wee, Crawford signed 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:07.440 on to fight David Avenecian on a new network called 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:10.880 BLK Prime. Errol Spence is set to announce his next 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.400 opponent at some point in the coming days. But these 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:17.840 two guys, they got on Twitter and they talked all 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:23.840 about hedge funds and who has our boss and who doesn't, 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.320 and certain amount of splits and revenue all things. They 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.080 gotta be honest. By the third tweet made my eyes 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.640 completely glaze over. What was your take on I'm so 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:35.720 happy you just said that, Because I remember the first tweet. 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.160 I was like, oh, Terence has woken up and he 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:41.800 said I want to have war. This is exciting. And 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:46.360 then Errol responded ter Twitter war Twitter as opposed to 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:51.040 physically yeah, And I was like, I'm tired, I'm done. 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.280 I I I all I cared about was seeing you 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.880 guys in the ring and not this he said, she 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.840 said back and forth, Bs Terrence. The idea of Terrence 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.560 fighting errols for so many years because he's on that 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.000 side of the street. And I remember him sitting down 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:07.520 right it might have been after the Brook fight, and 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:09.720 you know, basically pointing the finger at Bob and said, 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.120 I'm leaving you because you couldn't get me the Errol fight. 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:14.720 And although Bob to some people is a bit of 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:16.600 a dinosaur on the sport, I thought that was actually 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.080 quite disrespectful. And I was like, Okay, this is it. Now, 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:20.960 he's gonna get the fight. He's already you know, he's 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:22.960 pointed up Bob, you couldn't do it. I'm gonna go 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:24.840 over there and I'm gonna get it done. That was 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.120 a year and a half ago, and here we are 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.960 now and there's no fight. There's no fight, and they 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.840 probably will not be a fight. I mean, I like Terrence, 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.640 but what's he thirty four? Errol looks like he's far 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:37.840 too big for one four seven. Now, there was a 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:40.000 time to make that fight and it's not happening. In 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:42.440 boxing loses out because it would have been one of 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.320 the best weight fights we've ever seen. It would have 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:47.840 been that good. So ultimately I don't know who's wrong 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.560 and who's right, but we miss out fight fans miss 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.600 out because it was something special and that there, that 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.800 alone should be putting some sort of museum, and and 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:00.680 it should be to be labeled boxing. That right, there's boxing, right. Well, 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.320 I think it was Michael Benson who kind of put 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.760 together all this. Yes, like you should just print that 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:13.200 out yea, and and shrine it boxing embarrassing for these guys. Oh, 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:17.560 it's ridiculous. Honestly, it's it's so bad. Um. But this 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.040 is this is kind of, unfortunately, what we've just come 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:22.680 to expect. When a big fight gets announced. It's almost 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.280 a jaw dropping moment for us, like wow, you know, like, 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.440 oh can of plants can fight? That's why I felt 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.520 this morning. I was like, what where does that come from? 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:31.960 And that's how it should be. Forget all the negotiate. 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.800 We don't we as much as fans like to be 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.720 carried along sometimes the negotiating. Sometimes we just want to 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.400 fight announced. Sometimes it is good to know what goes 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.160 on behind the scenes because you know who's getting this 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.680 and who's getting But ultimately, all we want to see 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:49.240 is a fight post Star Fight announced fantastic and that's 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.440 how it should be. All this back and forth crap, 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.080 blaming our Hayman, blaming this person, blaming that person. I'm 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:59.400 just tired of it. And yeah, I feel like Terrence 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.840 smisses out because Terence as much as for me, Terence 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:04.240 is one of the best fighters ever. You do look 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.800 at the resume and thing, okay, where all those elite 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.920 level wins, and he wanted one and he probably would 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.200 have got one. I think, so he misses out more. 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.840 But it's a shame, isn't happen, especially since he moved 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:19.600 up to welter. Right, the resume is incredibly beat Jeff 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:23.440 Horne for his title. He defended against B level fighters 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:27.520 like Agis Kavelaski's uh kell Brook and Hinstein looks a 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:32.760 little bit better names, but not top level, top five, 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.880 top ten level opponents. He does miss out a little bit. 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:39.240 I mean, I've always felt if he really is getting 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.840 ten million dollars plus to fight David Avenecian on some 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:44.920 network that's not going to sell more than twenty five 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.399 pay per view guys for it, more power to him. 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:49.000 I would make sure I got that check in escrow. 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.400 That's for sure, I'd want to make sure that money's upfront. 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:55.320 But if he can get that to just Clawbert David Avenecian, 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:57.960 which no one's gonna convince me that's not going to 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.359 be the outcome, Like David Avenues is gonna walk into 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:04.600 a bomb at some point and go down. Um, so 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.359 if he can get ten million dollars for that, good 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.119 for you. But I feel like that was the final 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:12.960 nail in the Spence Crawford column. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.840 has to be again, as I said, one because of 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:19.159 age two, because now there clearly is an issue with 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.520 both of the fighters in terms of negotiating. So there's 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:27.000 like beef between the two and I honestly believe Errol 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:28.640 will probably fight Keith and then I think er will 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.520 probably move up or what. I can't believe Errol is 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:33.920 still at one forty seven. He was in the Olympics 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.040 at one fifty two, makes like and he went down. 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:39.239 You don't often see that from guys at the Olympic level. 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:41.080 Usually it's the progressive move up. I mean, he is 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:45.040 a hugeound, massive and we know for a few years 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:46.639 he didn't live the life either, right, you'd see him 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.280 out of events and just behaving like a bit of 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:51.240 a kid, but now he looks like he's sort of 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:53.480 knuckled down and lives that life. But yeah, he's massive 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.320 for one full seven and that's why I felt like 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.120 it had to happen now now. So yeah, I think 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.200 we miss out on it. And it's, Um, it's a 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.280 massive shame for boxing, It really is, because that's the fight. 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.560 I mean, obviously, look, we we work for his own 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.120 but I always tweets and that's the fight I want 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:10.600 to see more than any of them, um, regardless of 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:12.320 the network we're on. So yeah, it's a big shame 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.240 that we ain't gonna say it. Well, the lesson and 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:16.760 the takeaway to me is don't do that. Don't go 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:21.159 on Twitter and start like letting the receipts out on 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.000 the table, like don't it doesn't you're not going to 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:27.800 convince anybody, Like people that believed Crawford was the reason 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.399 for Spence Crawford blowing up are not going to be 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:33.240 convinced by Crawford declaring that he had a fifty million 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.680 dollar offer from a hedge fund, which is a little 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:39.960 shady to begin with. And meanwhile, Crawford fans are not 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.160 going to believe Spence's take on it either, like all 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:46.080 you're doing is further solidifying your fan bases and doing 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:48.760 it on a website that is just a cesspool for 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:54.000 all the worst. Honestly, I'd love to know who's behind 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:57.600 Crawford that made him think this is the right thing 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:00.240 to do. I don't understand, like sometimes you go that 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:04.239 person showed that says let's leave it. We we we know, 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.359 we know the real ones. No, just leave it. The 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.240 idea of them going back and forth everyone was well 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:12.720 and housn't responded, so he must mean them true. Everl 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:15.560 then wakes up what I'm not responded, I'm gonna respond now. 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.159 It's just silly. It was all dumb, all dumb. All right, 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:20.720 let's talk about the event that is happening this weekend. 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:23.639 Be Evil against Ramirez, and this is a great fight 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:27.159 and a great card. I actually liked this fight a 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.600 lot better than the fight did he Hearne wanted, which 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:33.800 was Bevil versus Blats. I think Ramirez is much more competitive. 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.480