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Speaker 1: welcome back, to boxing with Chris Mannix, part of the

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Speaker 1: Volume Sports podcast network. We've got a great show for

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Speaker 1: you this week. I am coming to you from Abu

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Speaker 1: Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates. I am here as

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Speaker 1: part of the broadcast team for The Zone fight Dmitri

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Speaker 1: Bevil Gilberto Ramirez terrific fight. I'm gonna get into that

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Speaker 1: and much more with my guest this week, Adi Oladipo,

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Speaker 1: a broadcaster with the Zone, is a lot of other

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Speaker 1: media over in the UK. He's gonna join me, Eddie Hearn,

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Speaker 1: the promoter of this event. He's gonna join me to

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Speaker 1: run through a whole bunch of topics. So we get

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Speaker 1: a lot to get to on this show. But I

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Speaker 1: did want to start off the top by bringing attention

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Speaker 1: to something I saw last week. Last week on the

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Speaker 1: under hard of the show headlined by William Zapeta and

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Speaker 1: two undefeated prospects, Hector Valdez, who was the Golden Boy

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Speaker 1: but this was a fight that Max Ornelas clearly won. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He controlled the ring with his movement, he landed more punches,

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Speaker 1: his combination punching was effective. The eyeball test just told

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Speaker 1: of the fight, two of the three judges scored the

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Speaker 1: fight for Valdez seven to ninety three. They effectively gave

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Speaker 1: Hector Valdez seven of the ten rounds. That's lunacy. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna name these judges too. Ryle Kayez Sr. Was the judge.

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Speaker 1: outrageous in my opinion, sitting there, I bring this up

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Speaker 1: Now he doesn't have it. He's not going to get

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Speaker 1: big man. He looks like he's actually struggling at the weight.

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Speaker 1: I could tell he was almost He's huge, like he's

425
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Speaker 1: going he's going to rehydrate above two hundred pounds easily, easily,

426
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 1: and he's going to try and walk you down. He's

427
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 1: a self poor, but I think Bivill could be a

428
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 1: bit special. There's something ab up Pivil. He's now sort

429
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 1: of found himself as well. I think he's confident. He's

430
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: English is a lot better by the way, which surprised me.

431
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 1: Not that that helps his boxing ability by any stretch

432
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 1: of imagination, but I think he's just becoming a man

433
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 1: in front of us um and a very skillful man.

434
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Speaker 1: And I think I think people's eyes were open to

435
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 1: him from the Canello performance, but people should maybe have

436
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 1: done their homework a bit and looked at the other

437
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 1: fights against Jean Pascal and Joe Smith and realized that

438
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: this is a good boxer. And when he needs to

439
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 1: go through the gears, I've noticed he can do it

440
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 1: very quickly. Now when he needs to kind of okay,

441
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 1: I need to maybe do a bit more here, he

442
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: seems to be able to do it. Um. I think

443
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: he'll struggle early, just with the size and trying to

444
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: work out Ramirors. But once he starts to kind of

445
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: gauge distance and size and maybe test, maybe even get

446
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: hit with something just to kind of feel the power,

447
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: I think we are going to see a Bivil that

448
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: is I don't want to say the number one because

449
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: I think that's perturb but it's definitely number two in

450
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: the division. The key to me is how does Ramiras

451
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: use that size us. He's gonna try to walk him down.

452
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: That's his game plan. All his team this week, I've

453
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 1: talked about that being his game plan. We've seen him

454
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: do it time and again. Bevil, though, is really good

455
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: against that type of style. I mean, we called the

456
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Speaker 1: Joe Smith fight several years ago. Joe Smith is a

457
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: pressure fighter. And besides that one shot in the eleventh

458
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: round where Smith buckled Beable and if he gave him

459
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 1: ten more seconds, who knows what, but it happened. But

460
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 1: besides that moment, he lost every round it was. It

461
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: was a complete wipeout. And you know, talking to to

462
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: Beable's team this week, they know he's got to move.

463
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: He can't stand there and try. He's not going to

464
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: stand there. And so like if if Ramirez is capable

465
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Speaker 1: of cutting the ring off, walking bevil down, throwing the

466
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: kind of volume combinations we've seen him throw in other fights.

467
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: I give him half a chance, but that's gonna be difficult.

468
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 1: Like Ramirez, I think he's talented. His best wins, though,

469
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: came against Jesse Hart, like those are the best wins

470
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Speaker 1: on his resume, and at light heavyweight, he hasn't had

471
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Speaker 1: the opportunity, not through his own fault. He's he's fought

472
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Speaker 1: who's had too as we said, but at light head

473
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Speaker 1: be weight, he has not had the opportunity to test

474
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Speaker 1: himself at the highest level. So this will be I

475
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: think Gilberto Ramiror is going from B level opponents to

476
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Speaker 1: an A A plus level opponent one fight. Yeah, which

477
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he can't be up there with an A

478
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 1: A plus, right, because what he's beating all the B

479
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 1: level opponents. But you're right, I mean it's it's probably

480
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: the most misleading forty four and record there is or

481
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: has ever been in the sport, right, I mean four

482
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: and those sounds incredible, But then you look at the

483
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 1: resume and there it's Jesting Hart, it's off Abraham at

484
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: one six eight, and that's it. You can shut the

485
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: door on the rest, whereas bivil is just I just

486
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 1: think he could be a special fighter. Bivil um that

487
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 1: there's something about him. He's calmness, he's so confident. Now Um,

488
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: I think we have something special and I think he's

489
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: gonna again go through the gears. I think he'll struggle

490
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: in the first three or four rounds, just adapting to

491
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: the south ball, adapting to the size. As you say,

492
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: Ramires will be in there plus two hundred in terms

493
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: of weight. But once he kind of gets all those

494
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: things down, I think we're gonna see something special and

495
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: I think he's going to run away with it. I

496
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: think this could be I don't know, nine free eight

497
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: for something like that. And one thing I've seen a

498
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 1: Bible over the years is that he gets up for

499
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: a higher level of competition. He got up for that

500
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: fight against Joe Smith. He got up big time for

501
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: that fight against Canelo. This is a former sparring partner

502
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: of his in into Ramirez. It's a title defense. He

503
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: knows what's next for him next year. If he wins,

504
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: he can potentially face either Canelo or Archer. Better bief

505
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: two massive money, massive proceigure at all plus I also

506
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: think it's a home run. If he beats Erto Ramirez,

507
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: Bible's the fighter of the year, Like I think, I

508
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: don't think anyone as well, I said, I said, and

509
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: he said, I don't think so I said, no, no,

510
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: you are, I said, I'm the judge and jury. I

511
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: don't know who doesn't know who's even because guys aren't

512
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: fighting mostly. Yeah, ma'am Rodriguez, shout right free fights this

513
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: year as well. You've gotta have a shout for free fights.

514
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: But I mean for you to beat Cannelo and then

515
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: Zurdo back to back, you have to be fight of

516
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: the that's the highest level. Beat the former pound for

517
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 1: pound king, beating undefeated Zodora Mirror as your top of

518
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: the list. Um. The co main event is interesting to me,

519
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: and that's because most women's fights nowadays are interesting because

520
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: women are doing it out there with making top fights

521
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 1: where men are just talking about them. Jessica mccaskell, a

522
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: lot of people that listen to the show in the

523
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: US have become more familiar with her. She did lose

524
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: to Katie Taylor a few years ago, but since then

525
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: she's had two wins over Cilia Breakers to become the

526
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: undisputed champion at forty seven pounds. Now she's dropping down

527
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: to face Chantel Cameron for the undisputed championship at one

528
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: forty For the record, nice bit of politicking by match

529
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: Room and Rick Ramos to the people in involved with this,

530
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: because I don't know why it is for undisputed, like

531
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: the other two belts were vacated by Kaylee Reyes because

532
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: she got a better offer for HBO to be an actress,

533
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: And how they almost just grabbed those two belts without

534
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: people fighting for them and said we'll take them and

535
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: put them on this fight carta range. Honestly, I find

536
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: it weird, but look, ultimately I do think it's the

537
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: two best girls potential. Chantell definitely at one for because

538
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: she's proven it, and I think Jessica McCaskill in the

539
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: past is all there, So ultimately you are probably looking

540
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: at the two best and sweat glass anyway, Um now

541
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: that how good? How good is Chantel Cameron because McCaskill,

542
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of pressure fighter good conditioning. Uh.

543
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call her heavy handed per se, but in

544
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: terms of she's not a one punched knockout artist, not

545
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: a lot of women in boxing are, but she can

546
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: hurt you and has her previous opponents, including the last

547
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: one who quite literally quit in the middle of and said,

548
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: I want to go home to my kids. I don't

549
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: want to do this anymore. She effectively retired her so unbelievable.

550
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: I've never seen that. I had to I was sitting ringside,

551
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: like ten ft away. I'm walking over and I'm trying

552
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: to get someone to translate what she's yelling at her

553
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: manager down below. It was wild to see that. But

554
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: that was a feather in the cap of Jessica McCaskill.

555
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: How good is she? Ante Cameron? Very good? Honestly very good.

556
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: It's weird everything you just said there about Jessica McCaskill

557
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: pressure fight had come forward. I was like, is he

558
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: talking about Chantell there or Jessica, because Santel pretty much

559
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 1: mirrors that. I don't think she has the power that

560
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: jess does, but not many fighters in women's boxing do.

561
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: Bomb Garden and Savannah maybe but Jessic definitely. Jessica definitely

562
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: has more power. But I think Chantell is definitely the

563
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: better boxer of the two. I've seen Chantell's spa dies

564
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: and handle herself and yes, look they're not tearing up

565
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: as they shouldn't do. But in terms of the movement,

566
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 1: in terms of the clinch, she's strong, very big at

567
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: the weight, which might not be a positive. We'll get

568
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: to that, just because I feel like she balloons up

569
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: and wait a lot, like really balloons up and wait

570
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: and then sort of shrinks herself down to one faulty.

571
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: But she is very very good and in the UK

572
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: people have been begging to see her versus Katie Taylor

573
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: because they think she's the one that should and can

574
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: beat Katie Taylor. So look, she's very good, very confident,

575
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: trained by Jamie Moore, She's in a good camp, she's

576
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: around good people, and I think they think this is

577
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: her time. I think they think that you know, Jesse

578
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: has maybe had her time was just right around there. Yeah,

579
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: I think you might be thirty. Yeah, yeah, And I

580
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: think they think that Chantel is now sort of the

581
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: freshmen of the two and the one that's going to

582
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: go on. But how answerting to you is that ballooning

583
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: up and wait, because I've heard that too from you know,

584
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: different people around match room and around the UK boxing scene.

585
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: And whereas you see McCaskill, and even though she was

586
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: fighting at welterweight, she was fighting making one is not

587
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: a problem for she really is a natural hundred and

588
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: forty pounder with chantel Like, is it a concern that

589
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: between fights maybe she's not as disciplined she needs to be. Yeah,

590
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: I think I always think, I don't care who you are.

591
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: I think that will come to her. You've done down

592
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: the line. We send fighters live like that, and it

593
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: just it doesn't work. I've never understand it, like this

594
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: is a short career. Do whatever you want to do

595
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: after after boxing, when you're done, you meant he is

596
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: fighting in between fight camps, live like a fight and

597
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: live like an athlete. That's the problem with fighters in general.

598
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: It's almost like they feel because they only fight two

599
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: or three times here like their part time athletes, and

600
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: they can do whatever they want. You can't, especially when

601
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: it comes to make him wait. But I think this camp,

602
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: like seeing her fight Bustos and seeing at in between

603
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: fight campus in and now, I think this is probably

604
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: as disciplined that she's been. So she's obviously taking this

605
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: very very seriously, and she knows she has to because

606
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: in front of hers a dog in Jessica McCaskill, which

607
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: surprised me why jess mcask was such an underdog in

608
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: this one. But um, I think for this fight, I

609
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: don't think it will matter going forward. They've got to

610
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: put they've got to put a stop to it. But

611
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: I think for this fight, she's really trained a butt off,

612
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: so I think I think she's good for this one.

613
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: I think she is. Where does the winner of this

614
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: fight in your mind land in the Katie Taylor QE

615
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: Like you know, Gaty is Katy looks and starts to

616
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: assess what the best fights are for Look, if she

617
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: fights the winner of this, she'd have a chance to

618
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: become an undispeeded champion in two weight classes. You know,

619
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: Katie is consumed by the legacy, consumed by being in

620
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: big fights. She's been in with Jessica before. That could

621
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: be a decent US fight if she wants to go

622
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: back and fight there. But I would assume a match

623
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: up with Chantel would be huge in the UK. Yeah,

624
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: that's that's the one. I think. If jess wins, I

625
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: don't I don't think they're going to try and go

626
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: down the Katie Taylor Jessica mcaskull route again. I don't

627
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: know why. I know Jesse's desperate for it. I don't

628
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: think Katie is so much. Why would you go and

629
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: revisit a fight you've already won. Maybe that's her, that's

630
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: her thinking, um. But if Chantell wins, she's desperate. My

631
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: MO only sort a question with that. And I spoke

632
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: to Katie about this already, about going up and wait again,

633
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: she's only been up to one forty one and I

634
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: was against Lindadatu and she didn't like it. She she

635
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: got bullied in that fight a lot, so one thirty

636
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: five is perfect for her. You get fighters like that.

637
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: I always thought, remember watching Carl Frogbacker the day at

638
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: one six eight, never wanted to go to one seven

639
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: five when I thought it was there one six eight.

640
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: My weight class start within in a way, there you go.

641
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it made a big difference of the

642
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: Canella fight, but he's a hundred and sixty pounds and

643
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: I think Katie is as well. Kat He's just I'm

644
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: a one thirty five. So it goes back to that

645
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: weight discussion with Chantel. If Shantell wants to fight Katie,

646
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: I think Shantell have to go down to one, she will,

647
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: or maybe you could do it like one thirty six. Yeah,

648
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean weight classes, that's kind of what they do.

649
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: But I think they want the Shantell one. Look, Katie

650
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: wants to go to Croake Park. I spoke to her

651
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: after her last fight, and that's what she wants the shed.

652
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: I know Katie is the star, and Katie can probably

653
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: do eighty thousand tickets, but you need the right dance partner.

654
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: And I think as much as Eddie will try and

655
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: sell the Chantel fight, the only dance partners in Mandaserana,

656
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: well be be a meteorologist for me. Per second, they're like,

657
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: when can you do a fight in Croake Park in

658
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: the way weatherwise? Like when is it okay to do

659
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: a fight out there? Because that would determine when you

660
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: can fight their obviously. Yeah, you're looking really between April

661
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: and August, so that's that's that's the window when you

662
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 1: get decent weather. Again, we're in Udhabi. You know you're

663
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: getting anything like this no matter where in what time

664
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: in Ireland, but around April two May is when you

665
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: can do it. And I think that makes sense for

666
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: Katie Taity. So Katie tele I feel like she might

667
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: need longer camps now to get into it because she's

668
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: you saw her fight, you were at her fight. Um,

669
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: she's still standing in the corner between rounds and that's

670
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: a leg issue. Like I remember being in the locker

671
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: room after the Serranto fight and she had been standing

672
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: for half of it, then sat in between rounds before

673
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: and I asked Ross Emirate or trainer, and he's like,

674
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: it's because of the leg the who we're trying to

675
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: keep it uh from tightening up and causing her more problems.

676
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: So her standing up between rounds was, is that what

677
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: it's for? It's a physical thing. Yeah, it's a physical thing.

678
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: Is we've seen it a little bit of it, I think.

679
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: I mean, after the fifth round of Serrando fight, you

680
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: had to sit down because you're just exhausted. But I

681
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: think physically there's somewhere there and it's still lingering with

682
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: her to the point where she has to stand up

683
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: in between these rounds. So the clock is definitely ticking

684
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: on the prime years peaper. I just wonder, like she

685
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: loves being active. If we don't know what's gonna happen

686
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: to Sarano the next few months, she wants to get

687
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: that fourth piece of the hundred and twenty six pound title.

688
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: It sounds like the w b A is going to

689
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 1: accommodate her and ordered that fight to happen with Erica Cruz.

690
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: But I'm missing something here, Chris, because I know Jake

691
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: was talking about this as well, like she was undersized,

692
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: and looks she clearly was undersized, because she's can make

693
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: one twenty taller, but she's taller and she's far comfortably

694
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: at one forty before. Yeah, and I mean, let's but

695
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: for lots of that fight, she kicked Tailers behind, so

696
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I might like get back in there

697
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: and do it again, like most people, like I thought

698
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: Katie might have nicked it. But that could be my

699
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: sort of my bias towards Katie Taylor. But a lot

700
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: of people thought Amanda won that fight, So I'm like,

701
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: roll the dice and go again. Honestly, I thought Katie

702
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: was her numerous times, and I never really thought Amanda

703
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: was her. She took some punches, but never thought she

704
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: was out on her feet. Kati the puncher there. Katie

705
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: is as much as Katie kind of trained, as was

706
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: my viewpoint, I as much she kind of trains to

707
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: sit down on punch and she gets into the fight.

708
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: She's just kind of not amateurish because she's adapting yeah

709
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: and point scoring, point scoring that which looks undefeated and

710
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: she's won a lot of big fights. That works. Amanda

711
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: sits down on a lot of her punch. She throws

712
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: a lot of punches too, more than Katie, but she

713
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,479
Speaker 1: sits down a lot of these shots. She's a hitter,

714
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: one of maybe three four women top hitters, and another

715
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: name that they up almost like you see you get

716
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: that fourth fight joy for the fourth piece thirty pounds

717
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: time and then you can go up as undisputed her undisputed.

718
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: That to me makes more sense. If we're gonna do

719
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: an in between fight for Katie Taylor, I don't I'd

720
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: rather see her fight Chris Cyborg, Like give her the

721
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: crossover fight like it's they wanted to do that in Vegas, Like, uh,

722
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: they were trying to make that this year didn't work

723
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: out for various reasons. Cyborg wants to fight Katie Taylor,

724
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: wants to fight Katie Taylor, wins lops fight. I don't

725
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: care choice bigger Chris Cyborg is Katie Taylor wins that

726
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: fight lopside. Chris Cyborg tremendous, smartial artist, not a boxer,

727
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: seems like a wonderful person too, but not a boxer.

728
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: But that's what Katie deserves, didn't she Like, give her

729
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: the ugely popular, gimmea over there where, a seven figure

730
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: paycheck and get herself a high profile but easy whin. Yeah,

731
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: it's a great shout. I mean they've mentioned her, they

732
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: mentioned Holly Home as well, but yeah, I'm with you,

733
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: especially Cyborg had she made her boxing debut, didn't she

734
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: recently as well, so she's good to go. Um. Funny though,

735
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: as much as Katie will destroy her, I'd love to

736
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: have seen Katie versus sort of the version of Cyborg

737
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: seven years ago, when she literally just was a madman

738
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: or a mad woman. Apologies, just would have she would

739
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: have thrown up a thousand punches around that Cybald doesn't

740
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: exist anymore. But yeah, I agree, give her that an

741
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: easy fight, and then we wait for Croke Park. We

742
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: wait to see how all the pieces fall into the puzzle. Um.

743
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: But I'm desperate to see her versus a manner again.

744
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm actually desperate to see an MSG that and people

745
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: got upset when I said that at the interview, just

746
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: because row Park in nine percent going to be Irish

747
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: and I didn't mind the split MSG half Porto Rican

748
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: half Irish and you don't normally get that at boxing events.

749
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: It normally is sort of one one fan base. Only

750
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: it's very rare where you're gonna get a fifty fifty

751
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: split and fans going at each other, and I feel

752
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: like it deserves that again, but look, the money is

753
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: going to be at Croke Park. They're gonna go Croak Park.

754
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: Or did they come out with Dhabi? Did they come

755
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: to the Middle East? Katie's You know, I don't think that.

756
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: I don't think that for various reasons, but I don't

757
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: think is taking that that that roots. I will say this,

758
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: if you fight to Croak Park, I'm going one way

759
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: to the other. Because I hear that, uh that the

760
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: Irish love it when Americans of Irish descent rome the

761
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: countryside looking for relatives. I hear they like that, love

762
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: it when you when you do your ancestral history. They

763
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: want that. They're so proud to kind of show where

764
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: Mannox is from here and this is where your family

765
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: report nine point nine percent like I have like one

766
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: relative from like Finland or something, but everybody else's Irish

767
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: the country side, So I intend to roam, uh the

768
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: Irish country side looking for Mannoxis. And you know what

769
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: the anny thing is. I'm sure that could even be

770
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: in on a depot somewhere down the line. But what

771
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: I hope that's her. If it is Croak Park, I

772
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: hope that's her farewell fight. I really do. I hope

773
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: that's that. Yeah, I do. I mean I watched her now,

774
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: you guys want like Bell, you said the same thing

775
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: that what he said after the Serroonda fight. He wanted

776
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: that to be want he's desperate fight retire. You guys

777
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: over the UK seemed to want you to walk away

778
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 1: sooner rather than later. Yeah. Yeah, I think we've seen

779
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: her sort of come out of the Olympics, and I

780
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: just remember watching her early and how fast she was.

781
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: And again you mentioned that leg injury. Now obviously that

782
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: didn't exist, and she's just she was just everything. She

783
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: was just so quick and I watched her now and

784
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: she's she's been in wars and I don't think we

785
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: think of it with female fighters as much as we

786
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: do with male fighters. But She's been in two wars

787
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: with off in pursue, a War of Tasha Jonas, a

788
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: War of Leonardartu, a war war War of the Manda Serrano.

789
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want to see someone take the

790
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: punishment she takes. She she she's not a defensive minded

791
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: fighter anymore at all. She gets in there and now

792
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: and she'll have a warf And I just thought, like,

793
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: I want to see her go out with all her

794
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: faculties in place, good money in the bank and maybe

795
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 1: continue the boxing journey from from outside of the ropes

796
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: as opposed to inside them. So yeah, I'm I'm like Tony,

797
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: I don't know why I've got this connection with her.

798
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: I feel like enough enough. Well, it's it's funny. You're

799
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: probably right, but she and I said this antison last week.

800
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: She might be in the best position of anyone in

801
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: men's or women's boxing because of all the options she has,

802
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: the ones we mentioned MICHAELA. Mayor is going moving up

803
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: in wait. There have been rivals since the Olympic days

804
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: that would be mentioned. There's a lot of action from it.

805
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: It's the worst time for her, too cool at quids,

806
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: like right now, with the price of the women's fights

807
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: going up and her getting more of my She probably

808
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: does now, So you're right, there are so many options.

809
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: But I can see a coming unstuck with someone that

810
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: a few years ago wouldn't have even NaSTA boots. And

811
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: that's the that's his boxing, isn't I guess? So we'll see.

812
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: She's got tough decisions to make, no question, all right,

813
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: last thing for you, the obligatory what the fund is

814
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: going on with Connor band question? At this point. The

815
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: latest development that we saw in the last week was

816
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: kind of been admitting to testing positive twice now for

817
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: the same band substance, this fertility drug that is still

818
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: has still not been explained how it got into a system.

819
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,439
Speaker 1: They've kind of transitioned to blaming the testing, blaming contamination.

820
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: People listening in the US that watched a lot of

821
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, we have seen this song before. We

822
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: have seen this movie before. In Major League Baseball, you

823
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: had all the great home run hitters from the early

824
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: part of the two thousands. When they eventually got busted,

825
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: they were blaming the testing, they were blaming contamination. Most

826
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: eventually came around and said, yeah, I did it, and

827
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, cop to it. You know, ten fifteen years later,

828
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: it just feels a little familiar to hear someone like

829
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 1: Connor Ben blaming contamination and potentially blaming some of the testing.

830
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: Where do things stand with Connor Ben? And what's been

831
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: your reaction to how he's started to try to explain

832
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: these this stuff away. Um he's not explaining that well enough. Um,

833
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: there seems to be. I will tell you, this is

834
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: me trying to just paraphrase Ben. I'm gonna tell you something,

835
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: and then oh, I can't tell you the full bit

836
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: because of legal reasons. You even tell us that you

837
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: don't tell me, like you can't just do this. I'm

838
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 1: going to give you parts of the story, then stop

839
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: when the questions get difficult and say out for legal reasons,

840
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: I can't really go down that route because they really

841
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: aren't either, Like I've asked legal experts this to it,

842
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: like repeatedly over the years, like if you're innocent, you

843
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: are allowed to scream your innocence from the Rooftop's one

844
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: thing I said immediately after I said, Look, as soon

845
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: as this came out, I said, and I've done a

846
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: video about it, and maybe connor Ben's team weren't happy

847
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: about it. But I said, look if you are if

848
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: anyone accuses me Manna of anything that I've not done,

849
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: there is no legal team in the world that's gonna

850
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: shut me up. I'm going to be screaming because my

851
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: reputation right now is in the mud. I'm not going

852
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: to rely on lawyers and Eddie Hearn to speak for me.

853
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to come out and speak for myself. And

854
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: if I say a couple of things wrong, so what

855
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: I'm going to speak hiding behind people and I think

856
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 1: that's the only way I can use a Hiding behind

857
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: people is just not working for Connor Ben and it's

858
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: got to the point now where no one believes him.

859
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: It's the British public. And bear in mind, you know

860
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: he's a British fighter and we tried to get behind

861
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: our fighters. No one believes him anymore, and that's it.

862
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: I said, you might be able to prove somehow that

863
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: you're innocent in the court of law because of legal ramifications,

864
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: but in terms of the public, you're done because they

865
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: don't believe you. The public don't believe you. The public

866
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: can make or break you in the UK because they

867
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: won't buy your fights. They won't put bums on seats

868
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: and that's a problem. So right now it's looking really

869
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: really bad for Connor Ben really bad. I'm not quite

870
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: sure what he does. I think he's doing the media

871
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: around on different broadcasters. Next week he's gonna be grilled

872
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: by you know we we we as. You're actually quite

873
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,479
Speaker 1: different because you, as a boxing journal, you actually asked

874
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 1: the tough questions. In the UK, it's almost this full

875
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: of boxing journals are quite soft when it comes to

876
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: the fighters, like they're scared to ask questions because there

877
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: might be blackboard and you know that's it. You're banned

878
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: from events. He's going to go to places where proper

879
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: journal is going to ask him questions who don't give

880
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: a damn about boxing. I want to see how he

881
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: survives that, but I don't see. I can't see anything

882
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: but a band and hopefully look if he's innocent, and

883
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: it's the big if fingers crossed that comes out. But

884
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I feel like in six or seven

885
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: months it might just be a case of I f

886
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: up guys. Yeah. I mean, to my knowledge, nobody's been

887
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: fired on his team, like you would think that there'd

888
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: be a fall guy at some point. Whoever his nutritionist is,

889
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: whoever is in charge of giving him whatever he puts

890
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: in his body. Not to say it's their fault or

891
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: than they did anything, but that would be a kind

892
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: of a typical move by someone in Connor Bent's position.

893
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: He's clearly known since what late August when that first

894
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: test came back, that this was out there, and here

895
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: we are in early November and there's been no reasonable explanation.

896
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: That's wild to me. It's wild that you don't even

897
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 1: sup something. Even Jarrell Miller had some bullshit for a while,

898
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: like he was spending some yards about about some things,

899
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: like there's not even been like a believable like I

900
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: don't know what happened with Canello all those years ago.

901
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: But the second the positive test came back, Canello came

902
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: out and said, it's the meat in Mexico. There was

903
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: testing of that meat. It turned out we're testing, so

904
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: you could there was a degree of deniability that you

905
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: could buy that, like I've not heard anything, and you're closer,

906
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: but have you heard anything that you boyd nothing like

907
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: and said that because I mean, everyone remember when Billy

908
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: Joe Sonders was gonna fight demit Andre and he blamed

909
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: it on the nasals, praying like, whether you believe that

910
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: or not, Okay, that's what you said it is, and

911
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: I still I don't believe that nonsense for one second,

912
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: but that's what it is. And Tyson fury and the

913
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: ball meat and the farmer and rubbish story again. But

914
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: you've given us something nothing with Connor Ben and like

915
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: how long can you keep silent for? So no, I've

916
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: I've heard nothing. Um And the longer it gets, the

917
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 1: worse it gets out. I felt that maybe they felt

918
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: and this is the team that the longer it gets

919
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: it will start just to go away and people will forget. No,

920
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: it's actually becoming worse now because Chris, you Bean Junior

921
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 1: is starting to talk and everyone now, and even Eddie

922
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: I've noticed it started to distance himself a little bit

923
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: by saying things like well, I'm his promoter. I'm not

924
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 1: he's you know, if he comes back, we promote his fights.

925
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: Whereas before I felt like Eddie was willing to die

926
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: on that hill with him. Now I don't think it

927
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: is the case. So yes, it's not looking great at all.

928
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: He's obviously given up his British Boxing Board of Control license,

929
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: which again, I'm guessing someone's advising to do and the

930
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist amongst us like, well, if he's done, that

931
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: is that because then he can't be banned by them,

932
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: and what's the reason for him to give it up?

933
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: So it was it was a tactical move like Jarrell

934
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: Miller wasn't initially banned for the Joshua test because he

935
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: was he never had fought in New York. It wasn't

936
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: licensed yet in New York, so it was a it's

937
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: a bit of a loophole. But whenever he tries to

938
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: come back, we know this, he's gonna get tagged. Like

939
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be able to find anywhere credible you

940
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: can fight, somewhere to fight, but like he's not going

941
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: to fight and you know the Caribbean or something that

942
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: that's not going to happen. Here's the last point I

943
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: would ask you, do you think he fights? No chance? Um?

944
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: If he no, I actually I just don't. I don't.

945
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: I think I think they're going to be quite about it.

946
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: If I'm honest of you. This again, this is my

947
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: conspiracy hot on, conspiracy hot on because boxing, as you know,

948
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: is the wild world West. I thought it would just

949
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: be quiet and there might be a band almost like

950
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: a silent band that we don't know. And then he

951
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: just comes back and we're not quite sure what's happened,

952
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: but he's, you know, behind the scenes, has been banned

953
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: fourteen months and he's just oh, I'm back and no

954
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't banned and boxing, honestly boxing. It's so disappointing

955
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: that because it was such a big fight, um, and

956
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: it was one that sort of we as British fight

957
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: fans needed, we needed a big fight like that, and

958
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: it was going to set out the O two are

959
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: and it was going to do good numbers on the

960
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: Zone broadcast um. And for that, just a full flat

961
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: like that because of this, And so I think that's

962
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: why it's almost unforgivable, and I think that's why the

963
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: British public are really upset with him, just because everyone

964
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: had been fully invested. All the shoulder programming was good,

965
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: everything was I did a face off which did over

966
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: a million views. Like people are really like, oh my god,

967
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 1: this is it. For that to happen four days before,

968
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: or for it to be canceled at least four days before,

969
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: he's just kicking the tea for everyone, all part of

970
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: what's been a pretty crappy overall two. It's been bad,

971
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: it has, doesn't it as well? I was thinking as well,

972
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: like what's really happened this year? And I'm not much.

973
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: We had a decent start kind of and then the

974
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: last six months nothing. The fall has been outside of

975
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: what we're doing here on Saturday and December Chocolate t

976
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: versus Strata Part three. That's a great fight. Not a

977
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: lot it breaks have been a very bare fall and

978
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: at this point start looking a lot better. Yeah, I

979
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: can ask you a question, Yeah, any movement on the

980
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: Ryan Guss. So what Oscar is saying is true that

981
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: the deal is basically done, the frameworks dealing, and I

982
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: reported this a week ago, week and a half ago

983
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 1: that it was done. Um, now the question becomes how

984
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: does it get done on the broadcast level? Is it

985
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: can it get done with a code distribution, which is

986
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: what the zone wants, or is there some kind of

987
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: financial package that PBC and Showtime can put together that

988
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be this, but it would effectively be buying

989
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: to zone out, Like is there something they can do

990
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: to make that happen? I mean a lot of people

991
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: kind of glommed onto this idea that Ryan Garcia doesn't

992
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: have an exclusive contract with the Zone. Well, he does

993
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: have one with Golden Boy. Golden Boy has one with

994
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: his own. It's a distinction really without a difference, and

995
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: if it wasn't, there wouldn't be talks about a buyout

996
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: or some kind. Obviously. I think the Zone prefers to

997
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: do a code distribution, and look, honestly, it's not that hard.

998
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: It's not ideal for Showtime because they take a little

999
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: bit less of the pie, but it's not difficult to do.

1000
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: And some of the biggest fights we've had in the

1001
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: last eight nine years have been code distributions. Paquille versus Mayweather,

1002
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: the two Fury Wilder fights, big events. UFC and Showtime

1003
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: got together do Connor McGregor versus Floyd. It's not difficult.

1004
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: It's just a little bit more pain for the networks

1005
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: because they don't get as big as slice of the Pie,

1006
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: and boxing fans don't care about that like they don't.

1007
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: If this falls apart because the networks can't figure it out,

1008
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: that network's gonna take the backlash, not the promoters, not

1009
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: the fighters. This is become a network issue that needs

1010
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: to be resolved. And look, we do sit here working

1011
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: for the Zone. People can say we're biased, do we

1012
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: want but the Zone is trying to make it happen

1013
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: like that. They're trying to work and do a deal

1014
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 1: involving Showtime. At this point, may with the promotions Al Hayman,

1015
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 1: Showtime are not inclined to do a deal with this side.

1016
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: It's crazy again again, it's crazy. And if I'm the Zone,

1017
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia is all next big star, right, I mean

1018
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 1: behind Canelo and a J He's that guy that There's

1019
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: no way I don't want to be involved in this,

1020
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: nor should they. They paid in like almost ten million

1021
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: dollars last year to fight like you don't just walk

1022
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: away neither show Time. By the way, Showtime should't have

1023
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: to walk away from Javante. They've done his last eleven fights.

1024
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: They deserve to be involved in this fight as well.

1025
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: It's not Mayweather versus Pacio, but it's a fight that

1026
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: will exceed five thousand paper views. How many fights out

1027
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: there will do that. Crawford Spence might not do five thousand,

1028
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: but it's a better fight, but it might not do

1029
00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: five thousand. Ryan Gonna says it's it's the injection the

1030
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: sport needs. And I mean, look, it should oh could

1031
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: be anything, honestly, could could literally these guys could fight

1032
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: at one forty. They could. Javancy doesn't have the frame

1033
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: for one for seven, but he certainly has the girth

1034
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: he could go up there as well. But yeah, I mean,

1035
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: if if i'm if I'm the Zone, and I look

1036
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: at the situation with Devon Haney where we came over

1037
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: and you know, we built this Devon Hany fighter up

1038
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: and then he's gotten and become a dispirit on another network.

1039
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: We're not letting that shually happen again. There's no way,

1040
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: so no that I think they need to continue to

1041
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: fight for this one. It's a shame. Look again, it

1042
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: goes back to boxing. It's a shame if it falls

1043
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: apart because of the networks. But I think both Showtime

1044
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: and The Zone should almost be fighting for this one.

1045
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: There's so much pressure on both sides because there's no

1046
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 1: good alternative for either guy. Like if Tank walks away

1047
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: Isa Cruise too, does anybody really care? Especially on pay

1048
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: per view, Ryan fights at one forty. He's not going

1049
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: to fight one of the title holders or one of

1050
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: the top guys. So it's basically another tuneup fight at

1051
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: one forty. I don't this is the one fight like

1052
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: Crawford walking away for the ten million dollars, and that

1053
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I kind of understand it to

1054
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: a certain degree. This there's no understanding at all. This

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Speaker 1: has to get done someway, somehow, has to get desperately

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Speaker 1: won it as well, both of them that they're I

1057
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: don't use the word hate a lot in boxing, because

1058
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just fight. It's trying to sell fights. But

1059
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: they genuinely dislike yes, yes, and they both have fight

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00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: changing power. Like you can sit there and say Javante

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00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: is more experience whatever. Ryan's got his chin up in

1062
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: the air. But whoever lands first probably wins. That's just

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00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: the way it goes. They both have completely devastating power,

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00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 1: two different fan bases as well. It will be fantastic

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00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: face A probably l A. Ryan and Javante do well

1066
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: out there. Ryan's a West Coast fighter. Javonte, to his credit,

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Speaker 1: sells anywhere, but Ryan has mostly sold in southern California.

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Speaker 1: It's a big fight. Staples. No, actually no, Oscar said this,

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Speaker 1: and he's right. Vegas they actually have, and I was

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Speaker 1: told they agreed as part of the promotional pact UH

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Speaker 1: in a January date in Las Vegas, So Vegas. They'll

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Speaker 1: put up a big sighte fee for it. You'll get

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Speaker 1: all the built in Southern California traveling there. Just a

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Speaker 1: major best guy. I can't I can't allow myself to

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Speaker 1: get excited about this. I can't do it. I can't

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Speaker 1: do it, Addi el Adipo. Follow um on social media.

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Speaker 1: Check him out on Saturday as part of the Zone

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Speaker 1: broadcast bevil Verse Ram Mirror is always good to catch

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Speaker 1: up mat and when we come back my conversation with

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Speaker 1: Eddie hearn Well, the NBA season is underway. It's the

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Speaker 1: the NBA. All Right, Eddie Hearn is here. We are

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Speaker 1: both in Abu Dhabi. Eddie is in undoubtedly more luxurious

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00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: confines than I am in at the moment. But we're

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Speaker 1: here for the Dmitri beevil Zerdo Ramirez w B, a

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00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: light heavyweight title fight. That's the fight you can see

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00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: on Saturday onto Zone Eddie, you are becoming a mainstay

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00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: in the Middle East. How are you enjoying this visit.

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00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: It's been tremendous. I mean that we know, obviously there's

1111
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people trying to do a lot of

1112
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: fights in the Middle East. Few ever materialize. Actually, I

1113
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: think we're the only promotional company that's managed to deliver

1114
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: any big fights in the Middle East yet. And we've

1115
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: had two experiences in Saudi Arabia for the World Heavyweight

1116
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: Championship and Saturday marks a new journey with Abu Dhabi

1117
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: and the DCT here in a long term partnership for

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00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: the Champion Series. And I think we've got a head

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00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: of a fight, you know, the head of an undercard

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Speaker 1: as well. We're gonna have a huge crowd at the

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00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: head of arena. I'm really excited. You know. It's quite

1122
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: nice to be popular, Chris really for a week, you know,

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00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: and just come somewhere where people actually are genuinely excited

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00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: about what you're about to bring to the country. And

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Speaker 1: I really feel like the Middle East is going to

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00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: be a pivotal market and territory for the sport boxing

1127
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: over the next few years. And we're delighted to be

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00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: here to stay. So elaborate on that a little for me,

1129
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: because are they all the deeper and our discuss sing

1130
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: this earlier. Is this the new normal where if you

1131
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: have fights of a certain level, it's likely that they're

1132
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: gonna wind up in Saudi Arabia or in Abu Dhabi.

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00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: Is this going to be kind of part of the

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00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: boxing ecosystem moving forward? Well, it will definitely be part

1135
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: of the ecosystem. I mean, you know, there's only so

1136
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: many fight nights that they're looking to do, so obviously

1137
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: there's and there's a multitude of major fights a year,

1138
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: so it's not like, you know, we're going to see

1139
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: boxing disappear from the United States and the UK. I

1140
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: just feel like this will be another stop on the

1141
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: map for Google Boxing. And you know, obviously they're very aggressive,

1142
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: they want to bring the big fights here. Um, And yeah,

1143
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: I just think you know, some people, you have to

1144
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: understand the world's a big place, right and just because

1145
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: boxing has been in Madison Square Garden for many years

1146
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: and the MGM grant, don't mean that every big fight

1147
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: has to go there. Now. You know, at the end

1148
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: of the day, not every big fight can be housed

1149
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: in the Middle East. But I certainly think, you know,

1150
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: our plan will be to stage four events in next year,

1151
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, and I expect to see potentially who stick

1152
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: against Joshua, sorry against Fury in the Middle East, you know,

1153
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia. So yeah, they want to be players

1154
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: in the market for big fights, and with that being

1155
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: the case, you will definitely see this become a solid

1156
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: destination for big time boxing. It's great that fights get made,

1157
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: and Despight probably got made in part because of the

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00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: financing from the government here. It's also great that fighters

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00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: are getting paid, you know, good money as they are

1160
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: in this situation. But how do you balance you know,

1161
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: kind of taking fights out of organic locations and what

1162
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: you might lose as a result of whether it's a

1163
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: sold out crowd at Wembley a fight like this, you know,

1164
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: Vacuum would probably do a really good crowd in southern California,

1165
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: where Ramirez has has developed something of a fan base there.

1166
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: How do you balance that with with being here and

1167
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: being in organic locations. I think it's just the start

1168
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: of the process. You know, every market that you go

1169
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: into that where you see boxing develop and grow, has

1170
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: to start somewhere. I mean, the fact is we'll have

1171
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: over ten thousand in the ety head on Saturday, and

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00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,439
Speaker 1: I think the atmosphere will be fantastic. You've just seen

1173
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: UFC here two weeks ago. It's one of the best

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00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: UFC's that we've seen in terms of atmosphere. They did

1175
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: the NBA the week before, They've got Formula one next week.

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00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, you have

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00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: to educate the audience. Now, we know that in Los

1178
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: Angeles there's a lot of fight fans, there's a lot

1179
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: of Hispanic fight fans and Mexicans that are going to

1180
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: come out and create a great atmosphere. Boxing is something

1181
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: that is embodied in the history, you know, and their culture,

1182
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: so obviously over here it's not. But it doesn't mean that,

1183
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, people here don't watch boxing every week around

1184
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,439
Speaker 1: the world, they do, and they're very excited to see

1185
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: it here and I think you'll you'll see that within

1186
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: the atmosphere at the weekend. I think, you know, again,

1187
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: we shouldn't just limit ourselves to boxing. Boxing is in

1188
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: London and it's in Boxing is a global sport and

1189
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: we have global ambitions with the zone. We you know,

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00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: I keep saying it, and I always normally say no,

1191
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't want the credit, but I actually

1192
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: do want the credit. Like we are the only global

1193
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: promotional company. You know, we are staging in fight nights

1194
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: in different countries virtually every single week. Who is doing that?

1195
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: Who has ever done it before? You know, a couple

1196
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, we were in the UK, then we're

1197
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: in Brisbane, then we're in Mexico, then we were back

1198
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: in London. Last week now in Abu Dhabi, were in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Next week we go back to London, then we go

1200
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: to Phoenix for a Strata Chocolate t so leads for

1201
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Speaker 1: Warrington Lopez, Like, you know, this is a pretty special

1202
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: project and journey that we're on, and we have ambition

1203
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: to raise the profile of the Score in every key

1204
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: territory that we feel has potential. So yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're going to get an atmosphere like

1206
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: you would in downtown l A for this five, but

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01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: you're going to get a pretty world atmosphere. And there's

1208
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people very excited to see Boxing launch it.

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01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: There's a lot of positives to what you just said.

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01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: There um at the same time, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: negativity right now in boxing. I mean that what we

1212
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: saw this week with the Twitter spat between Errol Spence

1213
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: and Terence Crafford, I thought was the worst possible thing

1214
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: that could have happened between those two guys. We're seeing

1215
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: less and less optimism, at least publicly about Ryan Garcia

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01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: and Tag Davis. How do you feel about where boxing

1217
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: in general is right now? So I think how many

1218
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: times have we seen over the years in boxing? You know,

1219
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: you get a spell where three or four big fights

1220
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: that you want or one big fight that you one

1221
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: doesn't get made, and everyone comes out and says, I've

1222
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Speaker 1: had it boxing, and then all of a sudden last night,

1223
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, plant against Benavidez gets announced. You know, whether

1224
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: that's a bit of pr or whether that's you know,

1225
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: actually going to get an official day, which I believe

1226
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: the latter fantastic fire great for boxing, and you'll just see.

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01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: I feel like being in the industry there is a

1228
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: bit more added pressure and potential glory now for making

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Speaker 1: some really big fights over the next couple of months.

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Speaker 1: So people have to understand that promoters want to make

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01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: big fights like one we have to do do for our

1232
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: broadcaster too. We have to for the sport three. We

1233
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: want to for the fans before we want to make money,

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01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: and the only way you can do that is to

1235
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: really make be Marquis nights. So you are unfortunately dealing

1236
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: with at times an inflated market, other times people taking

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01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: advice from people that have absolutely no understanding about business

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01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: or the numbers around the fire. And I stressed before

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01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, I don't often feel sorry for our Haiming.

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01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: I don't feel sorry for him here. But the reality

1241
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: is is Spence Crawford and I've had criticism for saying

1242
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Speaker 1: this before, but whatever you want to criticize me for,

1243
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: and the same with our Hayman. We know the business,

1244
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: We know the numbers inside out, and the reality is

1245
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: is that Spence Crawford is not that big to the

1246
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: wider world. Is an unbelievable fight right in boxing, it's sensational.

1247
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: But the reason our Hayman won't put a guarantee up

1248
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: for that fight is because he doesn't even believe in

1249
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: the numbers. Right, So if you're budgeting that fire, I'm

1250
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: budgeting that that fight fifty or four hundred thousand paper

1251
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: ad guys, that's where I'm laying my guarantee. These guys

1252
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: are being told by some bloke who works in the

1253
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: local store around the corner that does a million buyers,

1254
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: no problem, right, So, and this is the problem. They're

1255
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: not prepared to take the risk on those numbers. And

1256
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: sometimes when you've got a fight that's supposed to be

1257
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Speaker 1: of a huge magnitude, you don't need to pay a guarantee.

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Speaker 1: I go back to Fury, Joshua. You know the crux

1259
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Speaker 1: of that deal was done. No one asked for a

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Speaker 1: guarantee because you know it's absolutely monstrous. But with a

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Speaker 1: fire lights, it's Crawford. You just don't know. You know,

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01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: it can do three hundred thousand buyers, it can do

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01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand buys, because neither of them have ever

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01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: drawn on pay per view, Right. I see Garsia against

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01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: Tank as a much bigger fight than Spend's Crawford. People

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01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: might disagree with me. The fan bases are bigger. The

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01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: fan bases are totally separate as well. You know, Ryan

1268
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: Garcia has a very prominent position on social media. If

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01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm back, if I'm putting up money for fights, I'm

1270
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: choosing that one to put my money up for right. Now,

1271
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: that's a different story those negotiations. That's a different fight.

1272
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: That's more of a political situation between broadcasters. But the

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01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: reality is is a lot of these fights aren't as

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01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: big as some of the fighters think they are, and

1275
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: fighters are on occasion being paid money well beyond their

1276
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: commercial value. You're seeing it with Crawford against have an insent.

1277
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: So it's quite a distorted market and it's genuinely not easy.

1278
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: You know, fans don't really care, but we want to

1279
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: make the big fights. But sometimes as a business we

1280
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: also have to make the right business decisions to say

1281
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: we're not comfortable going into a fight and potentially hemorrhaging

1282
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: four or five six. I mean, look at when top

1283
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: Ranke did Crawford Can. I mean, I know what Can

1284
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: got paid. I was involved in that deal. I know

1285
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: what Crawford got paid. They hemorrhaged millions of dollars on

1286
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: that fight. I don't think it barely. You know, surpassed

1287
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand buys. So what gives you the confidence

1288
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: of Spence Crawford all of a sudden does eight hundred

1289
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: or a million? Well, And that was a weird That

1290
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: was a weird one though that that was a weird

1291
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: one though, because it sounds like neither guy was looking

1292
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: for a guarantee. It sounds like that was broken apart

1293
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: for some other reasons, maybe some transparency behind what was

1294
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: all the revenue that was going to potentially come in

1295
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: Lis Crawford saying he was willing to take no guarantee

1296
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: for that fight. So I tend, I mean, I tend

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01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: to agree with you. Now I did tend to agree

1298
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: with you about Look, guarantees kill pay per views. They do.

1299
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: Like you go back to the eighties, they weren't real

1300
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: grantees for a lot of a lot of fights you

1301
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: had from you had fighters taking the large percentage of

1302
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: the split, which they should um. But with all these guarantees,

1303
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna lose a lot of money. And I don't

1304
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: know how you change that. Like the Crawford supposedly is

1305
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: getting guaranteed something like ten million dollars to fight David Avenesian, Like,

1306
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: if you're I don't blame him for taking that that money,

1307
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: that's a fight is going to be And if the alternative,

1308
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: you know, if the alternative is fifteen million to fight

1309
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: eral spends unless you really don't care about the money

1310
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: and you really are chasing the legacy. Then you take

1311
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,919
Speaker 1: the Avenesian fight, because at the end of the day,

1312
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: it's a fight you could fight a thousand times you'd

1313
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: never lose once. And Avanes is a good fighter. But

1314
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: course was just levels and levels above it, you know. So, Um,

1315
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, Chris, I mean, but I do feel

1316
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: like we're all under pressure to make big fights, like

1317
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: you need to know that as well, under pressure for

1318
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: our own reputation and legacy and love at the school,

1319
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, Like I don't want to be a guy

1320
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: that doesn't couldn't make big fights. And I think there

1321
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: is a feeling seeing Oscar out here. You know, he's

1322
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: on good form out here. You know. I think we

1323
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: want to make a stand now and make good fights.

1324
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: But we do need corporation from the fighters and the

1325
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: lawyers and the managers and their representatives that actually we

1326
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,919
Speaker 1: know what we're doing and we do understand the financials

1327
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: around valuation for events. All right, let's talk about this fight,

1328
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: because it is a terrific fight. Beavil Ramirez two undefeated

1329
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: champions people at one seventy five, Ramires five and old

1330
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 1: since moving up from one sixty year. This was not

1331
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: the fight that you initially wanted. You were trying to

1332
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: make Joshua Boazzi against Dmitri be evil right out here

1333
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: in Abu Dhabi. How do you feel about it being

1334
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: Beavil Ramirez instead? Pretty good? Now, I mean I was

1335
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: very disappointed at the time because I wanted, I really

1336
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: wanted to give Joshua Black today our opportunity. Obviously, he's

1337
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: our fight room, he's been with us into the debut,

1338
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: and that opportunity will come. But the buzz around the

1339
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: Ramrors fight, you know, on a global scale. Obviously that

1340
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: was a big fight for the UK, but this is

1341
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: a big fight for the US. Obviously, bigolds, very well

1342
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: known in the UK as well. We've got a big

1343
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: uk um sort of appearance on the undercard from Barrett

1344
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: and Cameron and Yaffi and people like that. So I'm excited,

1345
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like this is one of the

1346
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: best fights in boxing. And I said, yes that the

1347
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: press Coffers is twenty and oh against forty four and oh,

1348
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: it's right up there as one of the top fights.

1349
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: And I mean, certainly in the division, but really in

1350
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: boxing as well. It's a fascinating fight. I think it's

1351
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: really good timing, you know, like you said, all fight fans,

1352
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: you get down in the dumps, well, tune in on

1353
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: Saturday night and you've got a fantastic fight and a

1354
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: great undercard as well, and there's a real feeding when

1355
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,439
Speaker 1: you talk about money, Chris. Obviously, both guys getting paid

1356
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: well this week, but there is a big feeling around

1357
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: this fight from the camps and the teams that these

1358
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: are actually two guys that are very interested in legacy,

1359
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: you know, and actually believe in themselves and want to

1360
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 1: fight the best. I'm mean, certainly we've seen that from

1361
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: Dmitri BiVO and being around Ramirez, I get that thing

1362
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: as well, like now, you want to make money and

1363
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: sometimes you want to have a couple of you know,

1364
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,919
Speaker 1: run out fights. But I think Ramirez feels like this

1365
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: is my time to prove myself now, become a two

1366
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: time to division world champion, and he believes he can

1367
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: beat Cold as always, and I'm sure you've been around him,

1368
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, He's just I feel like there might be

1369
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: more levels to Dmitri BiVO, and I think the confidency

1370
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: will gain from the Canneloures victory may see a very

1371
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: special performance running on Saturday. I think you're right that

1372
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: both these guys are consciously aware of legacy, that they

1373
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: are fighting for more than just a paycheck, even though

1374
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: they are getting big paychecks. And that's exemplified by Bevil

1375
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: basically running around all weeks saying he doesn't want a

1376
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:50,799
Speaker 1: Canello rematch, at least not right away. He's been pretty

1377
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 1: locked in on potentially fighting Archer better BV next year

1378
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 1: for all the titles at one seventy five. I mean,

1379
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: you work with Canello. Cannello has said publicly many times

1380
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 1: he wants the rematch with Bevil if be Evil wins

1381
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: this fight. Uh, what's your level of confidence that we

1382
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: see Canelo in Bevil in the next one? Well, I mean,

1383
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: BiVO definitely has ambitions to be undisputed. I mean, listen,

1384
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: that might end up coming at one who knows. You know,

1385
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: he talks about he looked very fresh on the scales

1386
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: today and that's for sure, you know, And look, at

1387
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 1: the end of the day, legacy is important, money is important,

1388
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 1: and there is a certainly a degree of legacy as

1389
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: well around any callow out risks fine, especially the rematch,

1390
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: but I believe the met is the best hundred and

1391
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: seventy pounds in the world, and he wants to prove that.

1392
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 1: I mean, Pivo against better Be is an unbelievable fight,

1393
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: you know. But when you look at the schedule, I

1394
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: think he's due to fight Yard in early February or

1395
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: something like that. Then you have Ramadan coming I believe

1396
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: in the March early April. That's going to keep him

1397
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: out till the back end of the summer. So there

1398
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 1: there will be pressure on Dmitri Vivo should he win

1399
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: on Saturday, to consider and negotiate turn ms of the

1400
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: Canelo Alvarez rematch. Um Cannello wants that fight. You know,

1401
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: he's a winner. He wants to avenge that defeat. He

1402
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: feels like maybe he wasn't a percent or it wasn't

1403
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: his best performance. But it's going to be a very

1404
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 1: very difficult fight. So a long way to go, and

1405
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 1: I think a lot depends on the outcome and how

1406
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 1: everything plays out. And it was reported this week that

1407
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 1: Canello had surgery on that left hand stuffing he said

1408
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: he was going to after the Gallashkin fight. Do you

1409
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: have any kind of information about where he's at with

1410
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: that surgery, how long it's going to keep him shelved. Yeah,

1411
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: I spoke to him after the surgery. I think he

1412
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: was very happy with her when he talked about being

1413
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:40,759
Speaker 1: able to punch in two months. So I don't see,

1414
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 1: you know, certainly he's given me no indication, and I

1415
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 1: think it's too early to say May he's fine. But

1416
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: I believe you'll see him returning May, because if he's punching,

1417
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,839
Speaker 1: you know, towards the end of December, there's no problem

1418
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: being ready for a May fight. He's already trained and

1419
01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: he's already fit. Um could that extend till September? Maybe?

1420
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: You know, he's had a big run of fights, but

1421
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: I think he's very happy with how it went. And

1422
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: you know he'll be looking too and wanting to get

1423
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: back into the ring as soon as possible, is he.

1424
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: I mean, he's never out of opponents, But you know,

1425
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: in the aftermath of the Glaskin fire, which closed the

1426
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: chapter on that rivalry, you look ahead and you see

1427
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: Bevil out there as a revenge fight. I guess he

1428
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:24,440
Speaker 1: could campaign more at one more titles. But is Canello

1429
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,560
Speaker 1: in any way kind of running out of really marketable opponents.

1430
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he was chasing something a year and a

1431
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: half ago. That was the undisputed championship at eight. He

1432
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: accomplished it. What's kind of left for him out there? Well,

1433
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 1: I think he might be running low in terms of

1434
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 1: the kind of fights that really excited you know. Like

1435
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: what one thing I've learned with him is it has

1436
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: to be a challenge and it just has to be

1437
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: something that excites him. Voluntary defenses and stuff like that.

1438
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all based on the fire. But certainly,

1439
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's been calling out for likes

1440
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: if they give you Benevidez and those fun Charlo to

1441
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: have real fights and then build what would be a

1442
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 1: fight that would get him excited. This is Benavidez beats Plant.

1443
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: I think, you know, Benabdez is a fight that would

1444
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:14,640
Speaker 1: excite Canello albis. I agree, and it's good that that

1445
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: fight has been made. Same with Charlo. You know, he's

1446
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 1: never fought anyone, and if he comes into a big fight,

1447
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: Canello has no problem fighting anybody. Um. For me, I

1448
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 1: think one of the things left to do in his career,

1449
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: he's fighting internationally. You know, I feel like he's a

1450
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: huge star. I'd love to bring him out to the

1451
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:32,839
Speaker 1: Middle East. I'd love to see in box in London,

1452
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: of course, what an event it would be to see

1453
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 1: in boxing Mexico, maybe Japan, Australia. You know that that's

1454
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 1: what could be something that excites him. You know. But

1455
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: he loves real fights, you know, he wants tests. He's

1456
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 1: not interested in just having a run out fight. And

1457
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure there are plenty options available, but

1458
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: but certainly the rematch with Dmitri Vivo is one that

1459
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: he's in his mind that he must overcome a couple

1460
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: of things before I let you go. H I was

1461
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: at the press conference on Thursday, and you are all

1462
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: in on Galala fight, like you are all in. Your

1463
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: chips are on the table with Galalia Fi becoming a

1464
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 1: superstar in this sport. You called them the best prospect

1465
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: in boxing. There are a lot of good prospects in boxing.

1466
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: Why are you so high on Galala Fi. Well, it's

1467
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 1: the way that he goes about his business. I mean, firstly,

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Speaker 1: anyone that wins an Mpic gold medal is an unbelievable talent.

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Speaker 1: I mean, especially in today's world of amateur boxing. He

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Speaker 1: breathed through that really to win that. And you know

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Speaker 1: he's had two fights, right he's had two ten rounds

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Speaker 1: straight off the bat. I mean he's looked brilliant against

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Speaker 1: top twenty five in the world opposition. Now he has

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01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: actually quite a big step up on a Saturday guy

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Speaker 1: that's ranked in the top fifteen with a couple of

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Speaker 1: governing bodies. I just see a fighter that goes about

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01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:57,560
Speaker 1: his work so effortlessly, you know, like bit like Jesse Rodriguez.

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01:13:57,720 --> 01:13:59,879
Speaker 1: And you know, I look at that division now, any division,

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01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 1: you can take a foothold in Jesse coming down to

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01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: fight for the w BO. Julio sees a Martinez WBC champion.

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01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: You know, Sonny Edwards is over with the IBF, and

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01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: then you've got Galaia fight could jump in, whether that's

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Speaker 1: w B A, wherever he's going to be. And I

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01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: just see fights like Martinez against y F Fire, Jesse

1485
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: Driguez against the Fire, like the big, big fights. But

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Speaker 1: what watched this kid on Saturday. You know, for people

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01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 1: that haven't seen him yet, watched the way he goes

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Speaker 1: about his work. He's still it's only his third pro fight,

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01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: but you know, at the moment he's not too concerned

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01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 1: about getting hit and that will have the changes he

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01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:37,640
Speaker 1: goes through the levels, but a real exceptional talent and

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01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 1: ice cold as well. CHRISTI, you know, like yet people

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Speaker 1: like Dmitri Vivol who I don't think his pulse went

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Speaker 1: over forty when he was sitting a changer in about

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01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: to fight. The fire is at the same mold, real

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Speaker 1: special fighting. Yeah, no question, people definitely was relaxed before

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01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 1: that fight. That was surprisingly so in that sense. Anthony

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Speaker 1: Joshua is going to be out here this weekend, ridden

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Speaker 1: North member right now. Obviously he's not going to fight

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Speaker 1: in December, but are you any closer to kind of

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01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: locking down a Joshua schedule in the first half of

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01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,560
Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, that's really a lot of the conversations

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01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 1: when he arrives here today, you know, sitting down and

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01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 1: mapping out that time. Time moves quite quickly, you know,

1505
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: before you know it's December, and you know, and the

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01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:20,640
Speaker 1: plan really is to fight in February. You know. I

1507
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 1: think the thing is with a j similar to Canelo,

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01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 1: he's not really motivated to have sort of takeover fights

1509
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call it. Every fight is dangerous.

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01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 1: Every fight requires a big training camp and a big

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01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 1: build up. So there's a very good chance that he

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01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 1: could face the winner of Billian White and Jermaine Franklin

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01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: on November twenty six, straight off the bat. There's also

1514
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: a chance he could fight a top fift thing guy

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01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: Otto Wilding has been mentioned, Philip Hergovitch. You know these

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01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 1: kind of guys. Um. You know, we have had a

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01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,560
Speaker 1: reply now from an August email from Cheli Finkle to

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01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: say that we would would be happy to discuss that fight,

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01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: which is encouraging. Whether he goes straight into a wild

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01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 1: Of fight or has one first, probably the latter, but

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01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: that's definitely a fight three. So it's just a case

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01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 1: now of really pinning out, pinning down that training camp

1523
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: and and determining the date, and we expect that's happening

1524
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 1: the next week. Has the landscape for Wilder changed enough

1525
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 1: to make you more confident that fight could get done

1526
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: because the zone you money years ago? I think that

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01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 1: bearing in mind the Paider view results in the last five,

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01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's going to be difficult for

1529
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: deont to land the kind of deal that he would

1530
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: want from boxing and now outside of an AJ fight

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01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,640
Speaker 1: or one of those who six or furies, and we

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01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: want that fight as well. It's a tremendous fight of

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01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 1: the boxing. I mean Deonce is a you know, a

1534
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: very dangerous fighter, is a brilliantction to the heavyweight division.

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01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: And you know I've said before the Wilder Fury sorry

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01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,640
Speaker 1: Wilder Joshua might be bigger than Fury as and some

1537
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 1: people dismissed that it's probably not. I'll tell you what

1538
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 1: time that fight comes around. I mean, that is one

1539
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 1: of the great heavy weight fights at all time. And

1540
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 1: you know there's a lot of people particularly out here

1541
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 1: who would really be aggressive to make that fight and

1542
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: certainly one I believe will happen in Well, make sure

1543
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: you call Mases Square Garden before you make that fight anywhere,

1544
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,600
Speaker 1: because that's an incredible New York fight as well. So

1545
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm make sure you make that phone call the sal

1546
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 1: and all the guys over at MSG. One last thing

1547
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: for you, UM, A lot of people listening to this

1548
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 1: are US based Um the schedule. This is a good

1549
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: fight coming up. You've got chocolate to Astrata in December.

1550
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 1: How active do you anticipate being in the US next year?

1551
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 1: Because we've seen kind of some of your stable winnow

1552
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 1: out a little bit. You've seen some other guys like

1553
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: Andrew and others move on. Um how active do you

1554
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 1: believe you're going to be in the US. That's active.

1555
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we've ended up doing something like

1556
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 1: eight or nine shows in the US this year. I

1557
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: think we've done five or six in Mexico um SO

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01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 1: I think a similar amount. I mean, we're finding our

1559
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 1: feet very well. To Zone as a business and a

1560
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: platform is in a tremendous position in America. Now you

1561
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:11,640
Speaker 1: better than it's ever been. The brand loyalty, the brand recognition,

1562
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 1: the profile is at an all time high, and we

1563
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: need to capitalize on that and put a great schedule together. Again,

1564
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: when you look at the schedule coming off Canelo against

1565
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 1: Triple G, you know you move into um Vivo against

1566
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 1: Ramirez Strata against Chocolate t SO three. Like with I

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01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: still believe, by my the Zone carries the best schedule

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01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: in American boxing and particularly in global boxing. So America

1569
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 1: is a very important market for us. We want to

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01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 1: be as busy, if not busier there next year, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I feel like we're in a very strong position,

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Speaker 1: So looking forward to a busy at the Appreciate your time.

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01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: I know that you and Jake Paul have some legal

1574
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 1: issues going on. But I was down in Puerto Rico

1575
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 1: in his camp a couple of weeks ago and papered

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01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 1: all over his gym are pictures of you with the

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01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 1: caption Fighter, Real Fighter. So you are very much in

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01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: the mind of the team. Rem Free, rem Free. That's

1579
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 1: quite that's quite flattering. But good luck to him, and

1580
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 1: you know who'll sort the legal stuff out. But fair

1581
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:19,839
Speaker 1: play to him, you know, I know, I know the criticism.

1582
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: He is not fault of Real Fighter and Anderson Field

1583
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,640
Speaker 1: was faulty a but there's a lot of prospects that

1584
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 1: fought nobody for ten fights. So I like what he's doing.

1585
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 1: I think he's bringing eyeballs to the fault and good

1586
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 1: luck to him. And you've said this before, but you

1587
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 1: don't foresee any issues with a Serrano. Taylor talks with

1588
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 1: what's going on with to too big an opportunity for

1589
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 1: our clients to be childish. But the other stuff will

1590
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 1: get all it out ed. He appreciate it. Man. Good

1591
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:51,799
Speaker 1: luck On Saturday. Thanks mate. Time out for this week's

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01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 1: picks brought to you by Fan Duel and I am

1593
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:57,640
Speaker 1: in Abu Dhabi this week, so I'm focused on the

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01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: car headlined by Dmitri b Volte and Zero Ramires. But

1595
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,680
Speaker 1: I am not gambling this week on Beavil Ramires. The

1596
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: odds just not great. I like Bevil to win that fight.

1597
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: You got a bet a lot to win a little

1598
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: in that matchup. So I'm gonna look a little further

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01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: down on the car to the co made event, the

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Speaker 1: women's title unification fight between Jessica McCaskill and Chantel Cameron.

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01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: This is for all the belts at a hundred and

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01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:29,959
Speaker 1: forty pounds. McCaskill the undisputed champion now at one seven, Cameron,

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01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 1: who has two belts at one forty. They're gonna fight

1604
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 1: for all the belts at hundred forty pounds. You got

1605
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 1: all that a little bit confusing, but it's a big

1606
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 1: fight in women's boxing. I like the underdog in this fight.

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01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 1: Jessica McCaskill is coming in as a plus hundred thirty

1608
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: eight underdog. Jessica McCaskill has been on a role lately.

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01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: She won the undisputed title by beating uh Cecilia break

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01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 1: Who's that was a big win for her. She followed

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01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: that up by winning a rematch against break wos So.

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01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 1: She had two defining wins over the last couple of years.

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01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,799
Speaker 1: Her last two fights Candy Wyatt she won by knockout,

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01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 1: Alma Bara she won by knockout. She's really been on

1615
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: a roll since losing the Katie Taylor back in two

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01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen. She's fighting Chantel Cameron, who is undefeated, who

1617
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 1: is very good, who does have eight wins by knockout.

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01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 1: But I really like McCaskill in this fight, and I'm

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01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 1: not sure why she's the underdog plus one thirty eight

1620
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:29,680
Speaker 1: according to fan Duel, bet McCaskill to win. That's someplace

1621
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: you can make some money on. Take McCaskill to beat

1622
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 1: Chantel Cameron. Uh in this fight. Now method of victory

1623
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 1: you can make a little bit more. McCaskill by decision

1624
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 1: is plus two ten. I never bet on knockouts in

1625
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 1: women's box and they happen from time to time, but

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01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 1: more often than not, especially at the highest level, we

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01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 1: see these fights go to decision. I think McCaskill wins

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01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 1: by decision as well. So do you want to make

1629
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 1: some money this weekend? Look to the fight Nabu Dhabi,

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01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 1: watch it on the Zone. Bet Jessica McCaskill to win

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01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 1: bet Jessica mccaskell to win by decision. Those are my

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01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 1: picks courtesy of Van Duel. That's it for this week's episode.

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01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 1: My thanks to Addi Oladipo and Eddie Hearn for joining

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01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 1: the show. As always, subscribe, rate, review this podcast on Apple, podcast, Spotify,

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Speaker 1: wherever you download podcast, and I'll see you next week.