WEBVTT - #753 Packers Unscripted: Bring on the Bucs

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always

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<v Speaker 1>by my trusted colleague Weston Hadko it'z. We're coming to

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<v Speaker 1>you here from our studios at Lambeufield to look ahead

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<v Speaker 1>to Sunday. It is a noon kickoff between the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>and Buccaneers at Lambeufield and it's on CBS WES. It

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<v Speaker 1>was switched from Fox to CBS, so just so you're aware,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the folks out there don't automatically go to

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<v Speaker 1>Fox to look for the Packers in an NFC game.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen ninety seven, if I would have told you

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<v Speaker 2>the Packers are going to play the Buccaneers an NFC

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<v Speaker 2>Central game on CBS, you would have never believed me.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I wouldn't have believed you. But this is the

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<v Speaker 1>world in which we live. We'll take a look at

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<v Speaker 1>this Buccaneers club because you talk about a game that

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<v Speaker 1>is awfully big for both squads. Here in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of December. Tampa Bay started the season two and zero yep,

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<v Speaker 1>then lost seven out of nine over the next two

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<v Speaker 1>and a half months. But now suddenly they've won two

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<v Speaker 1>in a row. They've gotten to six and seven. I

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<v Speaker 1>think most importantly is they are coming off of a

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<v Speaker 1>big road win in the NFC South. They went into Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 1>pulled out a win in the final thirty seconds or

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<v Speaker 1>so against the Falcons to create this three way tie

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<v Speaker 1>in the NFC South with the Falcons, Buccaneers, and Saints

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<v Speaker 1>all sitting at six and seven. So Tampa Bay got

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<v Speaker 1>the win it needed last week to be able to say,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, this division title is there for the taking

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<v Speaker 1>and the Packers are the next team in their way.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was Kenny Clark in the locker room

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<v Speaker 2>on Wednesday night who was saying, I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a big game for both teams. Yeah, very different reasons. Certainly,

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<v Speaker 2>you need every victory you can get and then figure

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<v Speaker 2>out from there whether or not that means wild card

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<v Speaker 2>or whether that in the Buccaneers case, community Vision title.

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<v Speaker 2>But I look at a lot of parallels between these

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<v Speaker 2>two squads because while Tampa is much more veteran lateen

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<v Speaker 2>than Green Bay is, they had to work through some things.

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<v Speaker 2>Mid season was not looking good at all, but they've

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<v Speaker 2>righted the ship a little bit. They've won some turnover

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<v Speaker 2>differential battles. I think Baker Mayfield Buy and Large has

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<v Speaker 2>played pretty well as of light, and Rashad White has

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<v Speaker 2>been getting going as well defensively.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a lot of parallels.

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<v Speaker 2>Between what the Bucks are going through and what Green

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<v Speaker 2>Bay is going through.

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<v Speaker 3>They are a herding unit.

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<v Speaker 2>If you saw neither team practiced on Wednesday, the Bucks

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<v Speaker 2>held a walk through. The Packers didn't even do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>They just didn't meetings. And if you look at the

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<v Speaker 2>injury reports you can tell why. Packers a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>things going on there. Tampa Bay, Vita Veya didn't practice,

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<v Speaker 2>Devin White would not have practiced, Carlton Davis didn't practice.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there are so many injuries on that side

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<v Speaker 2>of the ball for the Buccaneers. But be that as

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<v Speaker 2>May game will be played at noon Central start time

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<v Speaker 2>on Sunday, and one of these two teams is going

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<v Speaker 2>to have to come out on top.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And with regard to the Buccaneers, I mean, really

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<v Speaker 1>you can't overstate how big that win was for them

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<v Speaker 1>last week in Atlanta, because if they lose that game,

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<v Speaker 1>they are two games behind the Falcons in the division

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<v Speaker 1>with only four games left to play, so the division

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<v Speaker 1>title is practically out the window and then they would

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<v Speaker 1>also be at five and eight and on the outside

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<v Speaker 1>looking in at this whole mess of teams, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>seven and six, six and seven fighting for these wild

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<v Speaker 1>card spots. So just an enormous win for them. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know they got they got points in that game,

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<v Speaker 1>like from anywhere and any time they needed. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they got a pick six from Carlton Davis,

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<v Speaker 1>they got a safety from Antoine Winfield on a blitz,

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<v Speaker 1>and as I said, Baker Mayfield after the Falcons had

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<v Speaker 1>scored with about two and a half minutes to go,

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<v Speaker 1>Desmond Ritter got a touchdown, Baker Mayfield took, took the

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<v Speaker 1>Buccaneers the length of the field, they scored with about

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seconds left, and then made a tackle of Drake

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<v Speaker 1>London inside the five yard line on the final play

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<v Speaker 1>of the game to preserve that victory. Baker Mayfield West,

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen him before, and in fact, this will be

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<v Speaker 1>the third consecutive year we're going to see him in

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<v Speaker 1>lambeau Field. In December two years ago on Christmas, he

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<v Speaker 1>was the quarterback for the Browns. Last year in December

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<v Speaker 1>on a Monday night, he was sort of the emergency

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback for the Los Angeles Rams. He had just been

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<v Speaker 1>signed off the street, you know, ten days before that,

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<v Speaker 1>it had played in a Thursday night game the previous week.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's with the Buccaneers, and you know, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who's who's seen it all and done that.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been in playoff pushes before, he's won a playoff

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<v Speaker 1>game as the quarterback of the Cleveland Browns. You're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get anything past Baker Mayfield in terms of in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of surprising him with anything necessarily, but he is

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<v Speaker 1>a quarterback who can be pressured into a mistake here there.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Packers have gotten their share of interceptions off

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<v Speaker 1>of him when he's played in this stadium. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe it's five, right, five in those last two games.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, I mean, Baker is undeniably an NFL starting quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>It was good to see him get this opportunity with

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<v Speaker 2>Tampa Bay this year because when he went in with

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<v Speaker 2>the Rams, and it's a.

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<v Speaker 3>Very unique coincidence that it worked out the way it did.

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<v Speaker 2>That he's played Green Bay as much as he has,

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<v Speaker 2>but just how everything unfolded with the Panthers, it just

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't feel right, and I think I view this

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity now that he has with Tampa's more of the

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<v Speaker 2>get right, comeback, second chance after obviously Cleveland win a

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<v Speaker 2>much different direction, and he can make all the throws.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a number one overall pick for a reason.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a gamer.

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<v Speaker 2>He's seen these moments now I think he's benefited from them,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's obviously built up a rapport with that receiving corps.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Godwin's numbers aren't really there this season, but Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Evans continues to perform and produce in a big way,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's also found a nice secondary option with White

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<v Speaker 2>as a pass catcher. So Packers still have their hands

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<v Speaker 2>in their work cutout for him. But you do look

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<v Speaker 2>at some of the things that has happened with Mayfield

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<v Speaker 2>in the past. He is going to give you a

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<v Speaker 2>couple chances throughout the course of the game. It really

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<v Speaker 2>comes down to whether or not the defense capitalize on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you and you and I were talking before

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<v Speaker 1>we turn the cameras on here about Mike Evans, who

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the guy has He's been in the league

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<v Speaker 1>ten seasons, including this year. This is his tenth year.

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<v Speaker 1>He's had over a thousand yards receiving every single year.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he's ever played fewer than thirteen games

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<v Speaker 1>in a season. I mean, his durability has been impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>He's well over eleven thousand career career yards. Now excuse me, and.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard to say.

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<v Speaker 1>He's I mean the I was asked an insider inbox,

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<v Speaker 1>so what do you do? What do you do to

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<v Speaker 1>slow down Mike Evans? And it's like, well, the guy's

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<v Speaker 1>got ten straight thousand yard seasons. If somebody had figured

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<v Speaker 1>out a way to slow him down, it would have

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<v Speaker 1>happened by now right. I mean, he's a To me,

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<v Speaker 1>what I've seen in the times that we've seen Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Evans against the Packers and in other times when I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen the Tampa Bay Buccaneers play, it just seems like,

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<v Speaker 1>whoever's quarterback is, you know, it was Tom Brady, now

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<v Speaker 1>it's Baker Mayfield, other guys previously. It seems to me

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<v Speaker 1>that the quarterback just waits for the opportunity when the

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<v Speaker 1>defense is in a call that leaves Mike Evans one

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<v Speaker 1>on one and then the ball is going that way

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<v Speaker 1>because it isn't. They aren't fifty to fifty balls with

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<v Speaker 1>him when it's one on one, it's more like eighty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>He comes down with the ball more often than not,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can't double cover him every play. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>provide safety help on every single play. No defense can

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<v Speaker 1>really do that throughout the entire course of a game.

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<v Speaker 1>And he just always maximizes on his opportunities when he

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<v Speaker 1>gets a one on one chance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he's kind of the more I think about it,

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<v Speaker 2>he's almost like the NFC's version of Keenan Allen.

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<v Speaker 3>Where I think.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, that's exactly what I said.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you really I haven't even had a chance to

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<v Speaker 3>read it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you hadn't. You hadn't, And that's exactly what I said.

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<v Speaker 1>He's he's like Keenan Allen and that he just keeps

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<v Speaker 1>putting up numbers and producing, and yet not a whole

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people talk about how good this guy is well,

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<v Speaker 1>and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think a big reason for that is because it ended

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<v Speaker 2>up taking him six years to make a playoff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and unfortunately, kind of like Alan, we're missing a really good,

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<v Speaker 2>potential Hall of Fame career just because we're not putting

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<v Speaker 2>enough spotlight on the guy. Yeah, he's almost like an

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<v Speaker 2>early Elbert Poolholtz box Score. My friend Scott Vince's the

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<v Speaker 2>one that gave me this analogy where it's like when

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<v Speaker 2>you look at the back of a trading card, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just perfect. There's no injury season, there's no hey, he

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<v Speaker 2>had fifteen catches as a rookie. No, it's just it's

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<v Speaker 2>all production from the day he walked in the door.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And certainly he's a player. And I love these guys

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<v Speaker 2>because they're becoming fewer and farer between. But a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that has been with one franchise, he won a Super

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl with that franchise, and despite a litany of differ

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<v Speaker 2>from quarterbacks throwing him the football, he's done. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>matter if it was Josh McCown or Tom Brady. He's

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<v Speaker 2>been able to accomplish a lot in this league. And

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<v Speaker 2>I actually have to take some ownership of this as well,

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<v Speaker 2>because I overlooked him and I paid the price in

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<v Speaker 2>my fantasy league this year because I had to make

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<v Speaker 2>a decision. I don't know if it was the fifth

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<v Speaker 2>or sixth round. I made a decision between him and

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Godwin. I drafted Chris Godwin. That didn't work out

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<v Speaker 2>so hot for me because I thought maybe slot receiver

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<v Speaker 2>type beck of vibes, he'll joe with Baker Mayfield. No,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy has been and will continue to be Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Evans and six foot five, two hundred and thirty pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, for all the respect we gave Megatron throughout

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<v Speaker 2>his career, I feel like in a lot of ways

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<v Speaker 2>we definitely haven't given Evans enough flowers of his own.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, and you mentioned Rashad White earlier as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and he has been a producer as far as the

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<v Speaker 1>receiving yards out of the backfield for this Buccaneers offense.

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<v Speaker 1>But the other thing you have to look at right

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<v Speaker 1>now with what's going on with this Tampa Bay offense

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<v Speaker 1>is how White is run the ball. For the season,

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<v Speaker 1>the Buccaneers are ranked twenty ninth in the league in

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<v Speaker 1>rushing offense. Honestly, that doesn't mean anything at all, because

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<v Speaker 1>if you just look at the last three games, Rashad

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<v Speaker 1>White has two hundred and eighty six yards of four

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<v Speaker 1>point eight average yards per carry over the last three games.

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<v Speaker 1>Two of the last three he's hit one hundred yards rushing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not that they are no longer the twenty ninth

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<v Speaker 1>ranked rushing offense in the league. What they've done recently

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<v Speaker 1>is what they're hanging their hat on offensively, and with

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers coming off of another rough game defending the run,

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<v Speaker 1>they've got to shore that up because you can't let

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<v Speaker 1>Tampa Bay come in here and control time of possession

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<v Speaker 1>and control the game with the running back, because then

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<v Speaker 1>it gets a lot harder to get after Baker Mayfield.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Tampa's one of these rare teams in this

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<v Speaker 2>day and age where they just feature one bellcow back

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<v Speaker 2>in a lot of ways. They did it with Leonard

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<v Speaker 2>Fournette before this as well, and White has been the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think anybody else has over three hundred rushing

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<v Speaker 2>on the season. I think he's pretty much been the

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<v Speaker 2>dude for them. And now four of his all four

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<v Speaker 2>of his games with over twenty carries have come in

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<v Speaker 2>the last six weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, it just.

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<v Speaker 2>Reemphasizes that they're continuing to feed them the ball and

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<v Speaker 2>they're getting better returns out of that. A capable back.

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<v Speaker 2>I think everybody felt like this year, you know, everyone

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<v Speaker 2>understood he was going to be RB one for them,

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<v Speaker 2>and he gives them some versatility, gives Baker mayfield some

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<v Speaker 2>different options in which to use them. But at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day, even though they've made this switch

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<v Speaker 2>from Bruce Aerons now to what Todd Bowles is the

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<v Speaker 2>head coach and now they have a new offensive coordinator

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<v Speaker 2>now as well, they still kind of stuck to a

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<v Speaker 2>very similar blueprint for how they want to structure their

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<v Speaker 2>offense and as of late, it's been very successful.

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<v Speaker 1>Well on the defensive side of the ball. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>unit that in some ways has been tough to figure out.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know that they they've been dealing with injuries,

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<v Speaker 1>as you mentioned, and that certainly plays into it. But

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<v Speaker 1>just looking at the statistics, they're twenty seventh in the

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<v Speaker 1>league in yards allowed, but only thirteenth in points allowed,

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<v Speaker 1>and a big reason for that is turnovers. The Tampa

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<v Speaker 1>Bay Buccaneers are actually plus six internal over margin for

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<v Speaker 1>the year, which is not a number you would normally

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<v Speaker 1>see for a team that is six and seven. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that is hovering around that five hundred mark. But it

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<v Speaker 1>is a defense that has taken the ball away. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that is what has helped keep points off the board,

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<v Speaker 1>even though they have surrendered a lot of yards. And

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<v Speaker 1>the other thing that really sticks out to me, Wes

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<v Speaker 1>is that from a pressure perspective, they have six different

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<v Speaker 1>guys on this defense that have four or more sacks

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<v Speaker 1>on the ear one of those being Antoine Winfield, who's

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<v Speaker 1>a nickelback slash safety slash do it all dB. And

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<v Speaker 1>when I talk about six guys with four plus sacks,

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't include two of the biggest names on the

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<v Speaker 1>defense and Levante David and Devin White, who have three

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<v Speaker 1>and two sacks respectively. And I know those guys have

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<v Speaker 1>dealt with some injuries and missed some time, but my goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>six guys with four plus sacks, plus you still have

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<v Speaker 1>David and White if both of those guys are available

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<v Speaker 1>to play.

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<v Speaker 3>How exciting is Antoine Winfield as a football player?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean when you look at this, Michael. I will

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<v Speaker 2>get to those inside backers here shortly. But Winfield is

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<v Speaker 2>a guy that in twenty twenty, when the Packers are

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<v Speaker 2>having that back and forth with Tampa was you just

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you look at a rookie and you're like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is this is the guy and it's not just because

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<v Speaker 2>of what his name is. He has everything you look for. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>ninety seven tackles, which leads the team for them eleven

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<v Speaker 2>passes defense, he's picked off two of those, four force fumbles,

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<v Speaker 2>three fumble recoveries, and yeah, he's also added four sacks.

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<v Speaker 2>He's an all round playmaker. And as Bill Huber was

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<v Speaker 2>asking of Jordan Love in the locker room on Wednesday evening,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you can't really even diagnose where he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be at any given time. He's used kind of

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<v Speaker 2>in the same way that Charles Woodson was used near

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<v Speaker 2>the end of his run in Green Bay.

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<v Speaker 3>He's listed to safety, but you're going to see him

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<v Speaker 3>in the slot. They could blitz him.

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<v Speaker 2>They have depth in the secondary depending on what happens

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<v Speaker 2>with Ryan Neil here.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's a guy that is going to be everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>He reminds me, frankly, and the Woodson thing is interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to me. He reminds me of Troy Paulamalu, except without

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<v Speaker 1>the size. He's not as big as Polamalu was and

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<v Speaker 1>obviously without the hair.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah that part two, and maybe he just reminds you

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<v Speaker 3>of his dad too.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you talk about a guy who's lining up

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere and has a chance to make an impact defensively

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<v Speaker 1>from almost any spot on the field. That was Paula Malu.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why he's in the Hall of Fame. And Antoine

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<v Speaker 1>Winfield is still very young, long way to go, but man,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy can play.

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<v Speaker 3>First three four years in the league. It's incredible what

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<v Speaker 3>he's done.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you think of that star kind of defensive

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<v Speaker 2>back that you throw on a guy, he certainly fits

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<v Speaker 2>the bill.

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<v Speaker 3>Levonte David and Devin White though.

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<v Speaker 2>Those guys are I think the prototype, and they've been

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<v Speaker 2>the prototype for years.

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<v Speaker 3>Of how you want to develop a defense.

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<v Speaker 2>A veteran that is wise beyond his years but still

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<v Speaker 2>plays an exceptionally high level. In David, yeah, second on

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<v Speaker 2>the team and tackles. This season, I think he was

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<v Speaker 2>now up to thirty three ish around that area. Remarkable

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<v Speaker 2>the way he's been able to adjust his game. And

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<v Speaker 2>I remember three years ago saying, this guy that's not

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<v Speaker 2>getting enough love. He's been one of the top inside

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<v Speaker 2>backers in this league for years, but no one's given

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<v Speaker 2>him credit for it. He's definitely gotten his flowers now

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<v Speaker 2>at this point. Devin White, I think is dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>the foot injury right now. We'll have to see exactly

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<v Speaker 2>where he's at in this one, but is the number

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<v Speaker 2>two to that, and then via Vita via Veya is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most exciting defensive linemen in this league.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been that way for a number of years. Just

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<v Speaker 2>a monstrous human being that also is incredibly athletic for

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<v Speaker 2>a guy his size.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean how many how many teams have their

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<v Speaker 1>leading sack guy for the season be an interior defensive alignment.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, he's he's a problem. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's tough to handle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's not it's not even like the Aaron

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<v Speaker 2>Donald thing where Donald's just going everywhere you're gonna find him.

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<v Speaker 2>But three two three, and he's gonna push your in two.

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<v Speaker 1>It is gonna be He's gonna be somewhere. He's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be somewhere in there, and you've got to be ready

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<v Speaker 1>to handle him.

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<v Speaker 2>But to be honest with you, I haven't watched enough

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<v Speaker 2>Tampa this year to explain exactly why they've been so

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<v Speaker 2>far down the list in terms of their past defense.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're third from the bottom of the league.

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<v Speaker 2>Their their run defense has been fine, but I mean, overall,

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<v Speaker 2>as you mentioned, the yards allowed this year are up there.

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<v Speaker 2>The teams have been able to move the ball on them.

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<v Speaker 2>But they've played well situationally and been able to keep

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<v Speaker 2>some teams off the board too. And when you look

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<v Speaker 2>at a team that again has gotten on a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a winning streak here late, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>times it's going to come down to keeping the opposing

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<v Speaker 2>team out of the end zone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, we'll get to our Keys to Victory in

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<v Speaker 1>Keys to Victory, Wes. When I say what's it going

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<v Speaker 1>to take for the Packers to win this ballgame? What

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<v Speaker 1>is at the top of your list?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm going to put on my Mike Spofford Week

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen hat and tell you that it's going to come

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<v Speaker 2>down to running the ball and stopping the run. We

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<v Speaker 2>know that the dangers that lurk there with this passing

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<v Speaker 2>offense of Tampa Bay. You can't allow them to get

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<v Speaker 2>into a rhythm and get white going and have to

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<v Speaker 2>defend them on both fronts. That is not a key

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<v Speaker 2>for victory defensive or offensively. I should say We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have to wait and see how this week unfolds for

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron Jones. I know he told Rob Reichel in the

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<v Speaker 2>locker room on Wednesday that he wasn't really expecting to

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<v Speaker 2>go Monday. It was more about trying to be ready

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<v Speaker 2>for this one.

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<v Speaker 3>Have to see.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, he's probably gonna practice on Thursday. We've shot

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<v Speaker 2>this before we go out there for practice, so we'll

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<v Speaker 2>have to check it out. AJ Dillon is dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>a thumb injury now. He was listed as a DMP

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<v Speaker 2>on Wednesday. Don't exactly know what his status is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be. He has yet to miss a game in

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<v Speaker 2>his career due to injury. He's only missed one because

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<v Speaker 2>only missed a couple because of COVID right back in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty, so he's been a workhorse for them. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you get Aaron Jones back, that still gives you

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<v Speaker 2>one of your faces of the run game, independent of

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on with aj Dillon and ultimately Mike as

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<v Speaker 2>much as we're going to talk about Christian Watson and

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<v Speaker 2>these receivers and you're not sure what's gonna happen with

0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.760
<v Speaker 2>don Tavian Wicks with the ankle. You go back to

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<v Speaker 2>the original structure of this offense from week one, and

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about Aaron Jones, how this offense was going

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<v Speaker 2>to need him. It's taken a while. It's been an

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<v Speaker 2>inconsistent year and the injury front. I know, he's had

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<v Speaker 2>some fits and starts, looked great in the opener against

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<v Speaker 2>the Bears, and then just hasn't been able to get

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<v Speaker 2>back into a rhythm again. You hope the hamstring is

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<v Speaker 2>behind him. You hope that we're getting close to the

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<v Speaker 2>need being behind him and the Packers can mount a

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<v Speaker 2>playoff push here with their Pro Bowl running back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I'm totally with you, you know, with regard

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<v Speaker 1>to the stop the run, run the ball thing again.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what you and I were talking about it

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<v Speaker 1>earlier this week after we got back from the game

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<v Speaker 1>in Jersey. And as much as you know Jaden Reid,

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<v Speaker 1>who fortunately doesn't have a concussion and is just dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with an ankle injury and sounds like potentially he's trending

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<v Speaker 1>to play, but most importantly does not have a concussion

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<v Speaker 1>was put in the concussion protocol, So that's good news

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<v Speaker 1>for this Packers receiving corps that certainly is banged up,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. But Reid had the sixteen yard touchdown run.

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<v Speaker 1>He had the twenty yard run on the end around

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<v Speaker 1>on the Packers first play of the second half. Late

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<v Speaker 1>in the first half, Patrick Taylor, I believe, busted off

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<v Speaker 1>a fourteen yard run. But the big thing that was

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<v Speaker 1>missing from the Packers running game was aj Dillon on

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<v Speaker 1>a just a traditional you know, not in a two

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<v Speaker 1>minute drill type of thing like it was with Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the first half, but just traditional

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<v Speaker 1>running the ball, being able to being able to bust

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<v Speaker 1>one of those runs to turn into an explosive whether

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<v Speaker 1>it be fifteen or twenty yards or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That didn't happen. Dylan was productive, but the Packers weren't

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<v Speaker 1>able to get any of those big runs, and it

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<v Speaker 1>just felt like because none of the traditional runs were

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<v Speaker 1>really keeping the Giants on their heels. Ye the play

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<v Speaker 1>action game wasn't you know, it didn't. It didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>the def to react the way you want it to.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a credit to the Giants. They were able

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<v Speaker 1>to do what they needed to do. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>can run the ball between the tackles and just get

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<v Speaker 1>one explosive one here, a ten yard run, here, a

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<v Speaker 1>twelve yard run there, it starts to put the defense

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<v Speaker 1>on their heels. And then and then Jordan Love with

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<v Speaker 1>the play action game where which is where I think

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<v Speaker 1>he is absolutely one at his best, is out of

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<v Speaker 1>play action. I think that's the key to getting this

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<v Speaker 1>offense back into a rhythm instead of you know, all

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<v Speaker 1>of kind of the fits and starts that we saw

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<v Speaker 1>on Monday night, which had followed up some really good

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<v Speaker 1>weeks of offensive football.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I don't have any pro football focused stats

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<v Speaker 2>for you or some you know, deep introspective analytics, but

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<v Speaker 2>it just seems like when you have to go eleven

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<v Speaker 2>personnel out of shotgun it is third and nine, that

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<v Speaker 2>just has not been a successful way for Green Bay

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<v Speaker 2>to go about, you know, winning this season. There's been

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<v Speaker 2>some long conversions and there's been some times where Jordan

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<v Speaker 2>Love has made some exceptional throws, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>them seems to come off of things that they've built

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<v Speaker 2>and things that they can take. And you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>some that Jordan even touched on when we were talking

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<v Speaker 2>to him on Wednesday about the end around and the

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<v Speaker 2>reversals and some of the things they were doing.

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<v Speaker 3>With Jayden Reid.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that now that you put that on film, the

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<v Speaker 2>way that you can build off of that and build

0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:15.800
<v Speaker 2>packages that look the same but operate differently. That's the

0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:17.600
<v Speaker 2>key in the National Football League.

0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:18.280
<v Speaker 3>When you look at the.

0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.159
<v Speaker 2>Pony package that they did it for a time with

0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:22.639
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon. It wasn't just okay, well

0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:25.199
<v Speaker 2>there's two running backs back there, who's getting it? It

0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:28.480
<v Speaker 2>was okay, now Jones is motioning out, who's following them?

0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:30.080
<v Speaker 2>What kind of coverage are they end? What kind of

0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:33.520
<v Speaker 2>information can Aaron Rodgers take from that same thing? Now

0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:35.520
<v Speaker 2>with some of this motion stuff, when you have guys

0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:37.720
<v Speaker 2>like Reid that are coming in motion. When it was

0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:39.760
<v Speaker 2>going well the last few weeks, I almost looked at

0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:42.280
<v Speaker 2>it as that was the one to running combination, was

0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:45.359
<v Speaker 2>what Reid's doing, stretching them horizontally and then north and

0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:49.080
<v Speaker 2>south with Aj Dillon. So again we'll have to take stock,

0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:52.040
<v Speaker 2>we'll have to see who's available, But certainly a huge

0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:54.760
<v Speaker 2>sigh of relief for the Packers that Reid didn't sustain

0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:57.119
<v Speaker 2>a concussion on the short week he can be in

0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:00.439
<v Speaker 2>the fold. He is dealing with an ankle injury limited

0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:03.600
<v Speaker 2>on Wednesday, but Green Bay needs them, especially depending on

0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:05.840
<v Speaker 2>what happens here with don Tavian Wicks. If he's unavailable,

0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:08.919
<v Speaker 2>that roster and that depth chart for the receiver position

0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:10.320
<v Speaker 2>certainly dwindles.

0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the other thing you have to say when

0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:14.560
<v Speaker 1>you're coming off of a game where you turn the

0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:17.840
<v Speaker 1>ball over three times and you look at what Tampa

0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Bay has done defensively in terms of takeaways, you've got

0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:23.399
<v Speaker 1>to protect the football. You know, Jordan Love had done

0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:27.639
<v Speaker 1>a tremendous job of protecting the football for a good

0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:31.399
<v Speaker 1>stretch of games for quite a while, but had the

0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:33.760
<v Speaker 1>ball stripped from him on the read option run and

0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:36.520
<v Speaker 1>then you know, made a bad read, bad throw for

0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:38.760
<v Speaker 1>the pick. Those were on back to back possessions against

0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:41.320
<v Speaker 1>the Giants, and then obviously there was the turnover on

0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:44.600
<v Speaker 1>special teams with the muff punt. So you've got to

0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:49.080
<v Speaker 1>protect the ball and then you the formula for beating

0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Baker Mayfield in this league is pretty well known. It's

0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:56.520
<v Speaker 1>pretty standard. You have to force him into a mistake

0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:59.960
<v Speaker 1>or two because he does still have that gunslinger fatality.

0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:02.240
<v Speaker 1>He's going to take his shots. He's going to take

0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:06.320
<v Speaker 1>his chances. But if he's taking that chance when he's

0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:10.879
<v Speaker 1>under pressure, when he's not comfortable, that's when maybe you

0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:13.960
<v Speaker 1>know that that cannon of an arm of his isn't

0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:16.359
<v Speaker 1>entirely accurate, you know what I'm saying. Like, if you

0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:19.520
<v Speaker 1>if he's sitting back there and he's and he's got

0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:22.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, he's got protection, and he's got time, and

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:25.040
<v Speaker 1>he can scan the whole field and he takes his chance,

0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:28.720
<v Speaker 1>that's a much higher percentage play than when you can

0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:31.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, when you can pressure him, flush him out,

0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:34.119
<v Speaker 1>and then he still wants to try to make that

0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:36.879
<v Speaker 1>big play downfield, that's when potentially a mistake can come.

0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:39.720
<v Speaker 1>I think you have to force Mayfield into a mistake

0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:42.480
<v Speaker 1>or two in this game to help out a Packers

0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:44.680
<v Speaker 1>defense that has been struggling against the run.

0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and back to back games now without an interception

0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:49.160
<v Speaker 2>for him and probably had his arguably his best game

0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:50.600
<v Speaker 2>of the year. Even though he only threw for one

0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:54.120
<v Speaker 2>touchdown against the Bears, three hundred and seventeen passing yards

0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:57.600
<v Speaker 2>which was a season high, and you know, he has

0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:00.399
<v Speaker 2>the weapons and he obviously knows how to utilize. He

0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:02.560
<v Speaker 2>came in last year with the Rams and he fit

0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:05.959
<v Speaker 2>well into that culture. They had some big emotional moments,

0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:08.160
<v Speaker 2>but then after the season was like, no, I'm still

0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 2>a starting quarterback. There was an opportunity in Tampa to

0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:12.760
<v Speaker 2>prove it Kyle Trast. They didn't want to go that direction.

0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:15.280
<v Speaker 2>It was Mayfield and he's trying to prove them right

0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:16.960
<v Speaker 2>here during the final four weeks of the season.

0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, shifting gears to the NFC playoff picture. The

0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:25.159
<v Speaker 1>key games that are coming up this weekend obviously Packers

0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:27.960
<v Speaker 1>and Buccaneers, as we talked about, a big one for

0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:31.920
<v Speaker 1>both squads. A very interesting game on Saturday West because

0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:35.080
<v Speaker 1>the Minnesota Vikings, now having made a quarterback change to

0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Nick Mullins replacing Josh Dobbs, they are traveling to Cincinnati

0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:41.280
<v Speaker 1>to play the Bengals. The Bengals who are right in

0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:44.080
<v Speaker 1>the mix of a crazy wildcard picture in the AFC

0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:48.240
<v Speaker 1>as well. It's one of those things, you know, Obviously,

0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:50.560
<v Speaker 1>any game, any game can go one of two ways.

0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:54.200
<v Speaker 1>But the impact of this game potentially on the whole

0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:58.720
<v Speaker 1>playoff race really is significant, because if the Vikings were

0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:01.600
<v Speaker 1>to lose on Saturday and they drop to seven and seven,

0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:04.920
<v Speaker 1>then all of these teams that are six and seven

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:07.560
<v Speaker 1>in the NFC, whoever can get to seven and seven,

0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:11.160
<v Speaker 1>you're suddenly tied with them for essentially the last two spots.

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Then it's not just you know, trying to squeeze into

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:16.440
<v Speaker 1>the last one. Minnesota drops back to seven and seven

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:19.080
<v Speaker 1>and a bunch of teams catch them, and you know it,

0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the picture looks completely different. The flip side is if

0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Minnesota wins this game and the Detroit Lions can't get

0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:30.320
<v Speaker 1>themselves back on track and they lose at home to

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:32.840
<v Speaker 1>a Denver Broncos team that's been playing some pretty good

0:25:32.840 --> 0:25:36.359
<v Speaker 1>football over the last couple of months, suddenly Minnesota is

0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:39.680
<v Speaker 1>only a game back of the Lions, and then they're

0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:42.679
<v Speaker 1>playing the Lions twice in the last three weeks. A

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:45.679
<v Speaker 1>win here by Minnesota and a loss by the Lions

0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:49.400
<v Speaker 1>could put Minnesota for all of their quarterback changes put

0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Minnesota in position to possibly win the NFC North again.

0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:54.720
<v Speaker 3>We'll talk about this during one of our offseason shows.

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:56.719
<v Speaker 2>But man, I really don't like how they've done this

0:25:56.800 --> 0:25:58.200
<v Speaker 2>with the divisional matchups.

0:25:58.200 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Like we're just talking about this with the jib.

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:03.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how. I mean, what has happened? What's

0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:07.200
<v Speaker 1>happened here with Minnesota playing their last three games after

0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:10.480
<v Speaker 1>this trip to Cincinnati, their last three games go Detroit,

0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Green Bay, Detroit. I don't get that at all, Like,

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:16.760
<v Speaker 1>how do you not play one of your division rivals

0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 1>until Christmas? Like that just doesn't make any That just

0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:21.560
<v Speaker 1>doesn't so.

0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:22.960
<v Speaker 3>But be that as it may.

0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:25.119
<v Speaker 2>I could totally see why they would have scheduled Detroit

0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Minnesota for the finale.

0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:28.119
<v Speaker 3>It's just to have him two weeks before that is

0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:29.320
<v Speaker 3>so weird to make, but it is.

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I agree.

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:32.320
<v Speaker 2>Let's get back to the bones of this thing. Jake

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:35.639
<v Speaker 2>Browning seventy five percent completion percentage looks like a player

0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:38.639
<v Speaker 2>right now for Cincinnati going up against the Minnesota defense that,

0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:41.040
<v Speaker 2>depending on which metric you look at, among the league's

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:42.240
<v Speaker 2>best right now with what they're doing.

0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:43.639
<v Speaker 3>Brian Floores as coordinator.

0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:46.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Browning is dealing with some kind of like

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:47.560
<v Speaker 1>a forearm injury or something.

0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't. It doesn't.

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:50.960
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't sound like it's going to keep him out

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.640
<v Speaker 1>of this game based on the reports out of Cincinnati.

0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:55.879
<v Speaker 1>But he is not one hundred percent healthy. And as

0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 1>you said, this Minnesota defense, certainly coming off of the shutout,

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:03.760
<v Speaker 1>know out in Vegas against the Raiders, this Minnesota defense

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:06.240
<v Speaker 1>under Brian Flores is really starting to hit its stride.

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and looking quickly at Detroit there because you were

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:10.439
<v Speaker 2>the one that actually brought it up to me. I mean,

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Denver finds a way to beat Detroit at Ford Field.

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:16.040
<v Speaker 2>They've suddenly swept the NFC North this year, and that's

0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:18.480
<v Speaker 2>where really their turnaround even began when you look at

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:18.800
<v Speaker 2>the win.

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:19.880
<v Speaker 3>That they had over Green Bay.

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:23.240
<v Speaker 2>So obviously Packer fans for no reason other than just

0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:26.440
<v Speaker 2>to cheer against them, certainly a cheer against the Lions,

0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 2>certainly big Denver fans this weekend. And then just quickly

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:31.639
<v Speaker 2>I want to mention this as well. I mean, the

0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Bears are going to be taken on the Browns. Joe

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Flacco has played relatively well. Certainly Cleveland's defense is what

0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:41.960
<v Speaker 2>they're hoping to ride here. That'll be a big test

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:46.320
<v Speaker 2>for Justin Fields and everybody's kind of within lockstep of

0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:48.160
<v Speaker 2>one another. So each one of these games, I could

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:50.120
<v Speaker 2>say this week is a big week, but I think, honestly,

0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:52.119
<v Speaker 2>like these next four weeks, we're going to keep saying

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 2>this just because of how close this positioning is entering

0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:56.879
<v Speaker 2>this final stretch of the season.

0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and when you look at the other games that

0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:02.439
<v Speaker 1>that affect NFC wild Card picture, I'll just rattle them

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 1>off here, Wes, and I'll let you comment on what

0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>you want to. But the Giants, who obviously just beat

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:10.280
<v Speaker 1>the Packers, they go down to New Orleans to face

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 1>these six and seven Saints. Washington, coming off of a

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:17.280
<v Speaker 1>bye week, will go visit the six and seven Rams,

0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:20.879
<v Speaker 1>and Washington has not been playing well. But maybe you know,

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 1>as Packer fans, you're gonna cheer for Washington here to

0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:25.880
<v Speaker 1>try to beat the Rams. Maybe the fact that they're

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:28.200
<v Speaker 1>coming off a bye week they can get something straightened

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:33.640
<v Speaker 1>out and compete with the Rams. Atlanta also now six

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:36.520
<v Speaker 1>and seven after their loss to Tampa Bay last week,

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:39.560
<v Speaker 1>they traveled to Carolina to face a Panthers team that

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 1>the Packers will be playing a week from now. And

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 1>then the I believe it's the Monday night game is

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia is at Seattle. Suddenly. The Eagles have lost two

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:53.240
<v Speaker 1>in a row to very very good teams. But a

0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 1>ten to one Eagles team is now ten and three

0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 1>and in a fight for their lives for a division

0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:01.640
<v Speaker 1>titles so they don't get relegated to a wild card spot.

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 1>And the Seattle Seahawks sitting at six and seven. They've

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 1>had a very tough schedule and they've kind of hit

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:11.320
<v Speaker 1>the skids a little bit lately, losing twice to their

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>division rivals San Francisco. I don't know what Seattle's quarterback

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 1>situation is, if Gino Smith is going to be back

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:20.440
<v Speaker 1>for Monday Night or not, but a lot of eyeballs,

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:22.680
<v Speaker 1>both in terms of the top of the conference and

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.400
<v Speaker 1>the wild card picture will be on that Monday night

0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:27.240
<v Speaker 1>game with the Eagles against the Seahawks.

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 2>First time during the Pete Carroll John Schneider era that

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Seattle has lost four straight games as well, so things

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 2>have been so it's.

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Four in a row now for Yeah, I didn't realize

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 1>that it was up.

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they lost to the Rams before facing forty nine

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Ers Cowboys forty nine ers. Because again, these division games

0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:48.400
<v Speaker 2>have to be played within three weeks of each other.

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:52.960
<v Speaker 2>But either way, I mean bringing it back to it,

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:55.320
<v Speaker 2>and what we talked about on yesterday's show on Wednesday

0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 2>show is that the Packers they didn't gain anything last week,

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 2>but they didn't really lose anything either, so.

0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 1>They missed it. They missed an opportunity to put themselves

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:08.800
<v Speaker 1>in a better position. But the bottom line is, you know,

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:11.480
<v Speaker 1>all these teams are at six and seven and right

0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 1>now six and seven is the seventh playoff spot. So

0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 1>it's you just you, uh, It's it's like every we

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 1>say this a lot, but even more so this time

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 1>of year. It's like every week is just a one

0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:26.160
<v Speaker 1>game season. You got to go out and win the

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 1>game and then you take a look at where things

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 1>stand after that. It's all about going out and winning

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:33.400
<v Speaker 1>your game, because that that's the one thing, that's the

0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 1>one thing that you have control over everything else. In

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 1>this crazy nutty league where all sorts of wild stuff happens,

0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 1>that it that's all gonna happen. There's nothing anybody can

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 1>do about. All you can do is go out and

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 1>play your own game.

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 2>And fans don't realize this type of stuff, but carenton

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Valentine after the game, on on Monday Night. Was even

0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 2>like somebody asked about, you know, your heavy favorites, you know,

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 2>six and a half point favorites over the Giants, and he's.

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 3>Like, I didn't know any of that. Like they don't care.

0:30:59.040 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 3>All they look at is.

0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 2>The film and what their assignment's going to be and

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 2>whether or not they can beat this opponent. Kenny Clark

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 2>talks about that all the time as well. For Green

0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Bay standpoint, you're back at lambeau Field. You've not been

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 2>good on the road this year, but you're four and

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 2>two at home. They've won three in a row. I

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 2>wrote a story on Packers dot com Jordan Love is

0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and thirteen passer rating in these last three

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 2>games at Lambeau and.

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 1>You have back to back road games after this. You

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 1>got to get this one at home.

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And honestly, let's be real, Mike, I mean, the Packers,

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:26.040
<v Speaker 2>if you're going to make a playoff run, you have

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 2>to have a positive, hopefully more than five hundred record

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:31.760
<v Speaker 2>at home to get into the postseason. Then you got

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 2>to try to go take care of business against the

0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Carolina team that's really struggling right now. But if you

0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:38.640
<v Speaker 2>don't take care of business at home, beginning with this

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<v Speaker 2>one against the Bucks and in another couple weeks here

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<v Speaker 2>against the Bears. It doesn't make your job any easier.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, this is well, it should be a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's mid December football. It's two teams that are right

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<v Speaker 1>in the thick of things and lots of scoreboard watching

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<v Speaker 1>to do on top of it. So with that we'll

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<v Speaker 1>call it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted.

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<v Speaker 3>You sure have follow all of.

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<v Speaker 1>Our coverage of the team and everything from Sunday's game

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<v Speaker 1>against the Buccaneers at Lambefield. We'll have it all for

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<v Speaker 1>you on Packers dot com for Wes, I am Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for tuning in everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>We will see you next time.