1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast really looking forward 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 2: to this. Peter Sachoback with us. He's an author, producer, director. 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 2: Peter has been a university and college professor for thirty 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 2: years and has written at least thirty plus books, his 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 2: most recent It's called The Tunnel, and more than eight 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 2: hundred articles. He lives and resides in the Agara on 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: the Canadian side, where he's done extensive research on how 9 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: and Wyatt is one of the most haunted parts of 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 2: Canada and in North America. Peter, welcome back. 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 3: Where have you been for eight years? Ay? George, It's 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,319 Speaker 3: great to be back and missed your boye brent Hire. 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 3: You been pretty good. Other than we're kind of in 14 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: a deep freezer right now, but I hear your side well. 15 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 3: Across down to the Carolina's pretty during cold too. 16 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: It's cold all over the place. Really something, But yeah, 17 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: the East Coast and the Eastern area seaboard there's getting slammed, 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: isn't it. 19 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 3: It really is. The irony of it is is I 20 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 3: haven't done a ghost talk or anything in years, literally years. 21 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 3: When I did one this past October, which basically set 22 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: off having pneumonia for about two months because it was 23 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 3: an outside talk and it was actually freezing two days 24 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 3: before Halloween year. 25 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 2: Well, thank god you beat it. 26 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: My gosh, good old times, George. Nothing like being up 27 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 3: all night, that's what you know? What makes me a 28 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 3: night talk It's either the coughing or radio shows. 29 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: Well, you do a great job. 30 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 3: What got you involved in the paranormal, Peter? What really 31 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 3: got me interested? And I'm guessing you know we're kind 32 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 3: of from the same generation. It was a TV show 33 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 3: called The Nightstalker as a kid growing up, Darren McGavin check, 34 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 3: So you know, kind of fell in love with that there, George. 35 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: And then Chris Carter did it for me in ninety 36 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: four when the Xiles came out and the rest is history. 37 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 3: As they say, I really like that kind of stuff, 38 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 3: and I in my undergraduate I had taken courses in 39 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: how will we call it? Parapsychology pseudo psychology, and then 40 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: through into my PhD years, I took more courses because 41 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 3: I was interested in it. 42 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: Hey, what was your PhD? 43 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 3: In? My PhD was in social psychology with a dual 44 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 3: strong major in cognitive behavioral therapy as well as criminal psychology. 45 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: Now what is criminal psychology? What does that mean? 46 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: I would look at it in terms of, you know, 47 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 3: the easiest way of putting it is profiling, but it 48 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: really looks and examines the nature of the criminal mind, 49 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 3: what leads somebody into a predisposition towards a criminal life 50 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 3: or career if you want to call it, at different levels. 51 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: And also the profiling aspect, which I did training cops 52 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 3: for a long time because I had the wonderful, awesome 53 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 3: fortunes of studying with they're now retired FBI agents who 54 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 3: basically were the hallmark of profilers, and I believe one 55 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 3: was it. The mind Hunter was actually based on John Douglas, 56 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: who had gotten over the years. 57 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: Does profiling depict or pinpoint someone who will will commit 58 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: a crime or somebody who already has? 59 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: I think, you know, you have to look at it, George, 60 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 3: that it's somebody who has you haven't really caught you, 61 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: You haven't caught them, but you may have some ideas, 62 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 3: and profiling kind of sets up you paint a picture 63 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: of who you're looking for. However, with that said, over 64 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: the years, if you have enough individuals that kind of 65 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: commit the same crimes or over the centuries. You can 66 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 3: then kind of predict who or what might do it 67 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 3: later on in life. And you know, we can get 68 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 3: into the whole McDonald triad. We look at, Okay, if 69 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: somebody's young and they're a bedwetter by your starter animal 70 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 3: torture and who somebody who has highly sexually developed fantasies, 71 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 3: those would be like red flags early on in life. 72 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 3: You know. And kids, I've seen them myself, or I've 73 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: dealt with parents who had kids that were doing some 74 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 3: of those things. And you know, you wouldn't come right 75 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: up and say, okay, wow, man, wow, sir, your son's 76 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 3: going to be another John Wayne Gacy or Jeffrey Dahmer. 77 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 3: You don't do you know, you can can't predict that. However, 78 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 3: there are telltale signs that say, okay, this person is 79 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 3: on the wrong trajectory. 80 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: Does abusing the child contribute to that? 81 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 3: To Peter, you know what, George, I think almost every 82 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: individual that has developed into a sociopath or a psychopath 83 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 3: has come from an abusive background. And when I say abusive, 84 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 3: it's not necessarily always physiological in terms of you know, 85 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 3: a physical beatings or even sexual assaults, sexual abuse, but 86 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: also emotional. It's a really awesome forensic psychiatrist down in 87 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: your neck of the woods in California. Years ago I'd 88 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 3: studied with put it best. You know. He looked at 89 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: it and he says, it's always it's always seems to 90 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 3: be a very strong rejection or a belief in a 91 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 3: rejection from one's mother. 92 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: That's fascinating. Yeah, the parents have a lot to do 93 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: with it, I'm afraid. 94 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. You know. The term I used to use in 95 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 3: my lectures all the time with my students is today's 96 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 3: catchers are tomorrow's pictures, unfortunately, And what do you. 97 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 2: Find nowadays, Peter, people's interest in the paranormal? What seems 98 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 2: to drive it? 99 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 3: You know what's interesting about that? George? I think it 100 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 3: is technology, I really, really truly do. I've watched the 101 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 3: show on I think it's the History Channel because I've 102 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: worked with some folks with their shows like Zodiac as 103 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 3: well as a couple of the others, and I watched 104 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 3: The Truth Is out There or The Proof Is out There, 105 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 3: which is kind of like a takeoff of The Xiles. 106 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 3: The Truth is out There and it's the technology because 107 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: everybody has cell phones, so they have cameras, and interestingly enough, 108 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 3: I think a lot of folks have the ability to 109 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: digitally create even through eye stuff that's not true and 110 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 3: pique people's interests and get them into it nowadays. But 111 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,239 Speaker 3: here's an interesting tib When I was doing the TV 112 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 3: show Niagara's Most Haunted and then eventually the paranormal profilers, 113 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 3: a couple of the investigators said, it's cell phones that 114 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 3: are interesting because you're catching ghosts as you're doing selfies 115 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 3: and they're standing behind you in these haunted places. Because they, 116 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 3: as one fellow put it, he goes because in the past, 117 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: they would think they know what a camera is, so 118 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 3: they would stay away from the projection of the lens. 119 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 3: But yet they don't understand what a cell phone technology is. 120 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 3: And this is why they were catching me. You know, 121 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 3: Aunt George, I'm the biggest skeptic when it comes to 122 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 3: this stuff. But some of the pictures I saw would 123 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: literally keep people awake at nights from a people and 124 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 3: accidentally trapped in their homes on their cell phones. 125 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 2: And these people generally can't see the spirit of the 126 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: entity with their naked eye. It just shows up on 127 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: video right. 128 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: Correct, And it's usually behind them, and that's the best part. 129 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: These things stay out of focus, so to speak. And 130 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: then they're scrolling through their gallery of photos and all 131 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: of a sudden they see what they're seeing and they're like, 132 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 3: holy cop. And I remember sitting in a pizza place 133 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 3: out one night and the one fellow was showing me 134 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 3: his stuff because he lives in it's got to be 135 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 3: about two hundred and fifty year old old bed and breakfast, 136 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 3: and this is where, you know, where they were picking 137 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 3: up stuff. And another one was an old mortuary that's 138 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 3: been turned into a B and b, and they were 139 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 3: filming there and were staying there, and in behind them 140 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,239 Speaker 3: they could see these things and they didn't look nice. 141 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: Based on your work in history, what do you think 142 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: of the afterlife? 143 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I am a Christian, so I'm 144 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 3: a very strong believer in the afterlife based on my 145 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: Christian beliefs and principles. In fact, given the fact I've 146 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 3: actually had what I would call miraculous experiences myself that 147 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 3: basically being raised as a Catholic, I don't really I 148 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 3: didn't really give it a lot of credence until I 149 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 3: was taking philosophy and my undergraduates, and I had to 150 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 3: write a paper on the cosmological and ontological existence of God. 151 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 3: And after writing that paper, it was like, holy cow, 152 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: this is really cool. There's a different God the way 153 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 3: that I always seen God. And then I eventually would 154 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: go on to have my own experiences, encounters that would 155 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 3: literally blow the doors off of me. But with that 156 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 3: said George, which is interesting, I once saw what was 157 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 3: a possession with my own eyes, and literally I was 158 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: one of twelve men that eventually had to hold this 159 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: twenty something year old guy down that was speaking in 160 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 3: Arabic languages that were incomprehensible. He was foaming up a 161 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 3: mouth and I saw the eyes. There was no mistaken 162 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 3: and I'll say, honestly, I was shaken by that experience. 163 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 3: And even doing the show, catching stuff on film that 164 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 3: we've seen makes you a believer that even if you 165 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 3: weren't a believer in God so to speak, or that 166 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 3: you know that extent, you still go, Holy Cow, there 167 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 3: is something thereafter, and it's unexplainable. 168 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 2: What do you think at this point, Peter is a ghost? 169 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 3: I think for the most part. George and I studied 170 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 3: and read some of the Warrens where Ed and Lorraine 171 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 3: Warrens and that stuff, and Ed was a pretty straight shooter. 172 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 3: I believe a lot of the stuff they did, and 173 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: you know, these Conjuring series movies was sensationalized. However, you 174 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: have to look at some of the places Ed was 175 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 3: invited into it, and you know, we're talking about military places. 176 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 3: We're talking about really distinct places and people giving their 177 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: testimonials about it. So I believe a lot of it, 178 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 3: and even Ed was, you know, to use kind of 179 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 3: his now or his way of prescribing it, that a 180 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 3: lot of it is residual energies, so to speak, whatever 181 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 3: that is. It's like a projection. It's like something playing 182 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: itself over and over, and it's not conscious or aware 183 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 3: of you being there, and it's just like it's a 184 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 3: a polar right or a video tape of the film. However, 185 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: I remember reading though, and he says, when they're capable 186 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 3: of moving stuff and tormenting you, that's when you throw 187 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: the g It's an apparition out the window, and that's 188 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 3: more of a something like a demonic entity. 189 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 2: There were some famous Canadian Poultergeist cases back in the seventies. 190 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: You were involved in some of those cases, weren't you, Well, 191 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: I was. 192 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: I'm not that old, but I knew two of the cops. 193 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 3: Being working with various police services for USS all the 194 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 3: way up to the federal level, both sides of the 195 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 3: US and Canadian border. I got to know a lot 196 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 3: of cops over the years. And rule number one, which 197 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 3: is interesting and having tought cops for thirty years, is 198 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 3: cops will never write up in a police report in 199 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 3: their wildest dreams or imagination, anything to do with ghosts 200 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 3: or Poultergeist because nobody's ever gonna want to. You know, 201 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 3: They're going to be seen as you're going to be crazy, 202 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 3: you know. And for twenty eight days, George, we had 203 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy one of the most famous Poultergeist case, 204 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 3: not only in Canadian North American history, about the world. 205 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: And I got to know two of the cops that 206 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: I spoke less than we'll say, twenty five years after 207 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 3: this had happened, so everything was very fresh in their memories. 208 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 3: They were both there, Mike Mooney and the late great 209 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 3: Robert Scottie Crawford who was rased from Scotland, who became 210 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 3: a company came over from Scotland and they gave me 211 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 3: the seven police reports that I still have to this day. 212 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,359 Speaker 3: And these were police reports that would be signed equivalently 213 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: by the police services as well as what you would 214 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 3: call a district attorney in the United States that had 215 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 3: witnessed all this. So you know, it was real. 216 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: Dramatic stuff, isn't that? 217 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: It was really scary, especially when cops are telling you, 218 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 3: you know, there's a kid on a bed that's hovering 219 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: two three feet off of the ground. Everything's floating around 220 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 3: in the room, blowing off the walls. Three adults sitting 221 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 3: on a coach, well equivalent of your district attorney is 222 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: about to start interviewing them, and the coach starts levitating 223 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 3: off of the ground, where one of the witnesses on 224 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: the coach jumps off screaming, and the Crown Attorney runs 225 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 3: out of there, leaves his brand new coat behind, and 226 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 3: he says, I want no part of this. This is whacked. 227 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: How haunted Peter is Niagara compared to other regions of 228 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 2: the world. 229 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 3: I would say, if you're looking and doing comparisons, I 230 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 3: would say we are your Gettysburg, that sort of area. 231 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 3: There's a fellow that I did he was in some 232 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 3: of the TVs shows that I did Jack Kenna, who's 233 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 3: very well known as a paranormal investigator in the States. 234 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 3: And Jack said, you know, he was doing a taping 235 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 3: in Gettysburg before he made his way up to Canada 236 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 3: for stuff with my team and that stuff. And I 237 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 3: remember Jack saying, he goes, wow, he goes, you got 238 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 3: to take for what it's worth. He goes, neck and neck. 239 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 3: We got to say that Gettysburg and where I'm living now, 240 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 3: Niagarn the Lake Got'd probably be two of the most 241 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 3: haunted places in North America because of all the bloodshed 242 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 3: from War of eighteen twelve. And that's what a lot 243 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: of this is, George. It's that's what people are seeing. 244 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 3: We have a golf course down my neck of the woods. 245 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 3: It's a Nagron. The lake is considered one of the 246 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 3: most beautiful locations in Canada, not North America, as well 247 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 3: as Lewiston, New York, across the ditch from US, and 248 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 3: people report seeing, you know, headless and limbless soldiers walking 249 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 3: around the street or even on the golf course. 250 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 2: You're right, it's like our Gettysburg because we get a 251 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: lot of those reports too. 252 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think you know interesting, you had to 253 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 3: ask me about what do I think a ghost is 254 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 3: or I think what they're seeing? And from the people 255 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 3: that I've spoken to, and a lot of it is 256 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 3: anecdotal stories passed down. We're a little saying, you know, 257 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 3: I saw it, and some people will say they try 258 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 3: to interact with it, but they would say it just 259 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 3: looked like a film projector almost like if you've been 260 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: to Disney World in the Haunted Mansion and you're on 261 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 3: the cart going around it. You can watch people dancing 262 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 3: in that ballroom, so to speak, but you know you 263 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: can see them, but they can't see you because they're 264 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,479 Speaker 3: basically holograms, and that's what these are like for them. 265 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 2: You mentioned some cases that you've come across by what 266 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: would you say was the most frightening episode you've experienced. 267 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 3: It was twenty seventeen and we were filming in an 268 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 3: old bed and breakfast and this was a very very 269 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 3: famous place, and there was twelve of us that day 270 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 3: because we brought extras onto the shoot, including a retired 271 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 3: high ranking captain in the military. Here. We brought them 272 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 3: on as a guest as to show them what was 273 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 3: going on, and while we were filming George, and I'm 274 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 3: sitting there that we had two individuals that are really 275 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 3: well known in their own right in Canada doing a 276 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 3: spirit box session and whatever they were talking to, you know, 277 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 3: you could hear whatever it is coming through the spirit box. 278 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 3: And I'm gonna be honest once again, I'm very skeptical 279 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 3: with a lot of stuff until it starts saying my 280 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 3: own name on there and telling me stuff about me. 281 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 3: Then I'm thinking, Okay, how are they doing this or whatever. 282 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 3: But what was scary about this, George, is what I 283 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 3: heard as well. As there was a twelve of us 284 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 3: in our group plus others, there something spoke in the 285 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: room we were filming, and it was a giant, giant 286 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 3: room and I caught it on tape and it filled 287 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 3: the room. The voice did it didn't come through the 288 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 3: spirit box system, came auditorily into the room and just 289 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 3: after it said it whatever you know, it said ole kay, 290 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: and it was just creepy as heck, and I remember 291 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 3: almost falling backwards going wow, didn't see that one coming. 292 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 3: And behind the individuals with the spirit box, all of 293 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 3: a sudden I saw this thing run up the wall. 294 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 3: It looked like a giant cockroach. Or a giant crab 295 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 3: or something, and it was white, and it went up 296 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 3: the wall and disappeared into the ceiling. And then if 297 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 3: that wasn't enough, one of the owners of the B 298 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 3: and B started having a massive panic attack, which the team. 299 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 3: One of the members on the team, as a nurse, said, wow, 300 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 3: that could possibly be a heart attack. And this was 301 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 3: getting really bizarre. But what happened worse than that, George. 302 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 3: It shook a lot of people up, George. But that 303 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 3: night I was single, living alone at the time, and 304 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 3: I had the precarious notion that something was standing in 305 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 3: my bedroom door watching me all night, and I just 306 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 3: thought okay, and I was up all night for whatever reason, 307 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 3: I felt kind of rattled, and the next couple days 308 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 3: I felt really off. So I started talking to other 309 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 3: people on the team. That night, everybody that I'd spoke 310 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 3: and just said they saw they ether saw shadows following 311 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 3: them where they felt like they were being followed. So 312 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 3: one of the members of the team that does a 313 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 3: lot of work in demonology and that stuff, she had 314 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 3: seen it, and other people had seen it, and the 315 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 3: history of this B and B had shadow figures, and 316 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 3: I remember at that point there this member of the 317 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 3: team who's very celebrated in this field said, shadow figures, Peter, 318 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 3: just so you know, those are demonic entities and the 319 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 3: B and B. When these individuals bought it upstairs, unbeknownst 320 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 3: to them because they had a history of bad things 321 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 3: and people staying there, leaving and never wanting to come back, 322 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 3: they had redid the floor upstairs on the third level, 323 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 3: and underneath the rug they found a pentagram and wijaboards 324 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 3: and that stuff. 325 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 326 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: one am Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot 327 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: com for more