1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: be Wilson, and I'm Holly Fry. One of our episodes 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: this week was on Annie Jump Cannon, who I put 5 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: on the list, as I said in the episode when 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: we did the episode on Cecilia Panko Pashkin. That's not 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: the only episode she has come up in, though she 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: was also specifically mentioned in the episode about NASA engineer 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: and mathematician Mary Jackson, and her name has come up 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: and a lot of other research on other episodes, but 11 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: not made its way into the actual episode. So imagine 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: my shock when I got ready to start their research 13 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: on this episode and found that nobody has written a 14 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: full length biography of her, a thing that I was 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: a hundred percent confident would have existed already. Right. You 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: would think, considering how prolific and important and iconic she's been, 17 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: that there would be several to choose from. Yeah, there 18 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: were none to choose from, and so I wound up 19 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: relying on sources that especially if I'm doing an episode 20 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: on a person and there is you know, either Wei, 21 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: we have several book length biographies to choose from, or 22 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 1: there's just a lot of more personal biographical information out there. 23 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: A lot of times I just feel like I have 24 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: this embarrassment of riches in terms of learning about them 25 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 1: in their life and their personality and who they are. 26 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: This time, I read a lot of obituaries. There were 27 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: a lot of obituaries of her, some of which were 28 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: written by other astronomers, and I felt like that gave 29 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: me the most human glimpse of her in a lot 30 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: of cases. And I still am surprised that, Um, while 31 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: there are plenty of books that talk significantly about her 32 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: contributions and in some places pieces of her life, like 33 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: A still surprised there's not a biography of her, you know, 34 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: as a as a book length for adults piece of work. Yeah, 35 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: that is very surprising. There's a lot of her stuff 36 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: in the Harvard Archive. Though. Whenever we do any of 37 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: these topics of women astronomers, and particularly I mean, it's 38 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: almost impossible not to note the disparity and how they 39 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: were treated compared to male colleagues. But I always find 40 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: myself thinking of Caroline Herschel and what she would make 41 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: of this whole business. Yeah, who is as listeners will recall, 42 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: was the sister of William Herschel and also discovered many 43 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: things in astronomy and did a lot of cataloging of 44 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: her own, many many many years before all of this. 45 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: So that's another for the time travel machine to go 46 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: back and go Caroline, look, look what's happening. There were 47 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: a lot of papers written in the late nineteenth century 48 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: that we're specifically about quote women's work in science and 49 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: in astronomy and specific fields of sciences UM and a 50 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: lot of these were really focused on the record keeping 51 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: and the organization and the like the computer work when 52 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,399 Speaker 1: computer was a job title that a person would hold 53 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: rather than an object that you would type on like 54 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: there was just there was a lot of writing about 55 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: this was just a very uh well established idea by 56 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: the time that Annie Jump Cannon came into the field, 57 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: with just a whole volume of of research on a 58 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: lot of it written by women about the work that 59 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: they were doing and the work that they were supervising. 60 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: I also wonder, when we were talking about um, you know, 61 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: her endowment of her award, I wonder, and I'm literally 62 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: talking on the top of my head. So I haven't 63 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: done any looking into this and it may be something 64 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: that's being addressed and considered and figured out. I'm wondering 65 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: how many awards like that that have been established for 66 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: women are evolving in a world where we recognize like 67 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: non binary gender, UM and more fluidity in in sex 68 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 1: and gender, and so I'm just wondering how those are evolving. 69 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: That's a cool thing to consider and and look for 70 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: as things go forward. Yeah, I did look to see 71 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: whether that award is still being granted, which it is. 72 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: I did not look really at the eligibility requirements of 73 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: it beyond the fact that it's within five years of 74 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: earning a PhD. UM. So yeah, yeah, I know there 75 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: are awards that are kind of broadening that focus a bit. 76 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: Always fascinating to me, UM in an important part of 77 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: our evolving world. As we talk about how kind of 78 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: frustrating some of these things are to read about you 79 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: relation to how women were treated, I am sure similarly 80 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: in another fifty years or whatever, we will similarly look 81 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: back and be like, well, that binary thing was probably 82 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: another thing that I didn't really get into as much 83 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: an episode. UM. A couple of the pieces that I 84 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: read that were related to all of this remarked that 85 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: given the state of accessibility and disability rights at the time, 86 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: it was surprising to a lot of people that there 87 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: were two women who had some degree of of hearing 88 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: loss um, both of them generally described as death working 89 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: at Harvard at the same time, to the point that 90 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: people have been like, was there some kind of effort 91 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: at Harvard to intentionally hire people or was this just 92 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: a coincidence. And one of the things that I read 93 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: speculated that one of the rooms that they were working 94 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: in had been arranged in a circle so that everyone 95 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: could see each other's lips as they were talking. And 96 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: the reason that I didn't get into this is that 97 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: every picture that I saw of a workspace at the 98 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: Harvard College Observatory where women were working, they were all 99 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: at desks, not not facing in a circle, and so 100 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: I just I couldn't I couldn't figure out like what 101 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: specifically was being discussed, whether that was just you know, 102 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: maybe a lecture hall that I that wasn't shown in 103 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: the pictures, or exactly what was going on there. Um. 104 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: That also was one of the things that I found 105 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: frustrating by the absence of, you know, a thorough biography 106 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: of her is really not knowing more about how this 107 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: was affecting her, and like what kind of adaptations, if any, Like, 108 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: was there any attempt at accessibility being made at the observatory? 109 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: A lot of thems and only answer questions. They're right, 110 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: it seems like if there were any any efforts being made, 111 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: they weren't well documented. It was probably more like, hey, 112 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: this might work if there was even something, so we 113 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: we don't have hard info. Yeah, and she was a 114 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: journal er in her adult life, so it's possible that 115 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: there's references to all this and her journals that are 116 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: in the archive at Harvard. But again, like that requires 117 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: a person to go through all the journal and make 118 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:38,679 Speaker 1: up a publicly accessible published work out of them, which 119 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: as of this moment, Uh, there's not really. There are 120 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: some blog posts from various libraries and archives at Harvard 121 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: that you know, talk about individual pieces from her diaries 122 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: and her papers and stuff like that, but there's not 123 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: like a big comprehensive exploration of all of it. Yeah, 124 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: so anyway that it's further work to be done. I'm 125 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: so glad you did her because she's one that uh, 126 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, I have wanted to learn more about for sure. Uh, 127 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: And is often not given her do in the wider 128 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: realm of people knowing about astronomy's various developments in the 129 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: twentieth century. Yeah, I feel a little guilty messing up 130 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: the happy Friday would talk about a very sad story, 131 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: but that's how history works. We talked this week about 132 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: Mildred fish Harnack and her involvement in resisting the Nazis 133 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: in Germany. UM, and how that it's kind of unusual 134 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: since she was one of the few Americans that was 135 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: actively involved in that, that was actually there in Berlin 136 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: when all of that was happening. UM. I was so 137 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: drawn to her story by how it was rewritten after 138 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: her death, and how for a long time we really 139 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: only had the words of people who had no vested 140 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: interest in like carrying carrying about her legacy to go on. Um. 141 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: And how thankful I am that so many writers and researchers, 142 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, in what's become like a multinational effort to 143 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: really uncover as much information as they can unpack the 144 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: reality versus these propaganda efforts, to try to really put 145 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: the picture back together in a more truthful and clear way. 146 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: That to me makes it a very compelling story and also, 147 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: you know, a good thing where you remember to question 148 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: things that come your way in terms of media literacy, 149 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: because oftentimes people have an agenda of what they're what 150 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: they're sharing and telling you, and um, so you know, 151 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: in her case, I mean, I think about how hard 152 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: it had to have been to visit the US and 153 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: have everyone presume whom she was a Nazi and be 154 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: like sure. Yeah. It's come up previously on the show 155 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: several times about people having to join the Nazi Party 156 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: because that was like the option, not something that could 157 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 1: I mean, it was something that could be refused at 158 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: enormous risk to your own life. Right. I don't think 159 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: we have really talked about, at least in terms of 160 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: your in my time as hosts, people who were who 161 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: joined the Nazi Party because of that pragmatic need to 162 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: to do it, but then also we're actively working against 163 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: the Nazi Party. We've talked more about like people who 164 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: joined the Nazi Party and then they were like a 165 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: professor who you know, was not trying to support the 166 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: Nazi Party's regime, but also weren't actively working against them 167 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: in this way. Yeah, yeah, I mean, there's no way 168 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: they could have gotten the information that they got, particularly 169 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: through Arvid's job, you know, which was really high level 170 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: information about um, you know, all of the companies involved 171 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: in the various contracts that were being sent to companies 172 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: to to make war material. And you know, they never 173 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: would have had that information. UM. Had they not done that, 174 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: they just wouldn't have had access to any of that. 175 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: So it's an interesting one that I don't think I 176 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: could live like that. I could clearly not be a spy, 177 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: right Like, I can't. I couldn't. I couldn't live like that. 178 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I'm not really a Nazi. I swear, 179 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: I swear, I swear I get some you know, magical 180 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: shirt that says not really. Um. But I mean it's 181 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: one of those things that and gender's incredible respect on 182 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: on my part for them and their dedication, particularly considering 183 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: that she had a way out that she didn't take 184 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: when Arvid bought her that that ticket to go home. UM, 185 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: it's it's good to know that now she's sort of 186 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: like Wisconsin's hometown hero. Homestate hero is a better way 187 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: to put it. Um, And that she's being recognized for 188 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: all she did. Yeah, the fact that her alumni magazine 189 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: was what broke that story. I don't want to, you know, 190 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: be down on alumni magazines, but I know that like 191 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: my own alumni magazine, they wrote it, write a lot 192 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: of very interesting features about the alumni and about the school. 193 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: But I wouldn't necessarily ever expect them to break a 194 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: big news story, right, That's not where you go for 195 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: hard scoop, Right, it's um that becomes really interesting in 196 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: that a lot of the stories that are told about 197 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: her even today, like if you read about her on 198 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: a kind of succinct you know site or in a 199 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: you know, when she's a small part of a bigger 200 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: collection of essays or whatever in a book, a lot 201 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: of the information you can trace right back to that 202 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: alumni newsletter, which was amazing that they got that. But 203 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: also maybe not the most nuanced you know journalism ever, um, 204 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: not like the most hard fact checking going on. So 205 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: there is some stuff that you occasionally there's a um 206 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: a PBS documentary about her, and I definitely got the 207 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: impression from one of the researchers who has written a 208 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: lot about her. They interviewed that like it was I 209 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: think she may have even said something along the lines 210 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: of like they meant, well, Yeah, but it also in 211 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: some ways, you know, kept some of the confusing parts 212 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: of her story going. Um. This is one of those 213 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: topics too that because they were part of a spy network, 214 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it could be its own. There could be 215 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: an entire podcast series on Red Orchestra and all of 216 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: the members and how you know, like Dodd's Daughters Letters, 217 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: where where a lot of information came from at one point, 218 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: and and the various pieces of documentation revealed over the years. Um, 219 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: and like the writings of Schiltze boiz in Um and 220 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: his work, which is also just kind of mind bloggling 221 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: to me. Um. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot. 222 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: As anyone who studies World War two history, particularly when 223 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: you get into the espionage area, there is a lot 224 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: to unravel and unpack always, So we tried to just 225 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: keep this very focused on Mildred and her path through 226 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: all of it. Um. Heartbreaking though it is, although I 227 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: do love everything you read every family member, you know, 228 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: like they have cousins that still kind of keep their 229 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: memories alive and and do interviews about them. Everyone always 230 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: talks immediately about just how deeply in love these two 231 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: people were and how they were in this together. Literally 232 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: right up until the moment they were arrested and separated. 233 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: They were always together, always working on this together. How 234 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: Arvid was happy that they kind of got the facts 235 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: wrong during the trial, that she was not really aware 236 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: of what had been going on with his spy network. 237 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: That he was like, Okay, she'll be safe at least 238 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: they can, you know, sentenced me to death, but I 239 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: know Mildred will be all right. Of course he was. 240 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: That was not correct, But um, yeah, it's a their 241 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: their love story is very sweet. Yeah. Yeah, so that's 242 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: a little hand too. Um, it's such a sad place 243 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: to leave it. So I will say again how excited 244 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: I am for our listener McKenna to do her Disney 245 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: College program. I hope she writes us a follow up 246 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: and tells us how everything's going, because I want to know. 247 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: I will buy her a meal next time I'm there 248 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: if she wants, because I just appreciate it and it 249 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: makes me happy. 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