1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Part one of the Top Eight 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Bobby Cast. I am your host for this episode. I 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,159 Speaker 1: am Mike d producer of the Bobby Cast, and we 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: have selected the best interviews that we did this year. 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: Bobby and I came up with a list of our favorites. 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: We took a look at the most downloaded episodes of 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: the year, and we also asked you on Twitter and 8 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: Instagram what you thought were the best episodes. Took all 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: that and made two special episodes that we're going to 10 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: share with you this week and next week. If we 11 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: don't follow us online, we are at the Bobby Cast 12 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram, So I'll be your host this 13 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: week and next week. We took clips of the best 14 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: eight interviews from the entire year, and I'll give you 15 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: some behind the scenes from some of these interviews. As producer, 16 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: my job is to book the guests, research the guests, 17 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: pull up all the audio clips you here within these episodes, 18 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: and then I'm in the room with Bobby while we 19 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: do these interviews. So I'll give you a look into 20 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,319 Speaker 1: that process behind each of these interviews. 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Let's get into the top eight Bobby 31 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: Cast interviews. We'll start right now with number eight with 32 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: Actuley McBride. Now, this was the first time Bobby and 33 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: I had ever met Ashley McBride, and you actually here 34 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: in this full interview, the moment she walks into the 35 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: room is the first time we ever met her. So 36 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of a cool moment to capture. 37 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: And another part of my job is to produce her 38 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: on this show. I coordinate with them getting over to 39 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,639 Speaker 1: Bobby's house and then I go meet them out front. 40 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: And this is only hard for me because I am 41 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: terrible at small talk. So I kind of have this 42 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: routine in my head that I go through with each guest, 43 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: so I have things to say as we walk all 44 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: the way back to the studio. So here we go 45 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: with number eight. Come on, guys, I'm gonna put this 46 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: monster in some airplane mode. Mom loves to call when 47 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: I'm doing something. It's like a an innate sense that 48 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: she should call you right when something. I wonder what 49 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: actually is doing. How often do you talk to your mom? Um? 50 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: Not quite as often right now, but it's usually I 51 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: don't know, every couple of days, yeah, or anytime I 52 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: try to cook something. And is that often? If I 53 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: are you a good cook? I'm not bad. I think 54 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: what I'm really interested is people who do something really wonderfully, 55 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: like you as an artist songwriter, but also are you 56 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: what else are you good at? And does that translate 57 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: like your drive for being an artist and to anything 58 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: else in your life that that that same drive that 59 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: I think then drive pops up in um handywork. Really Yeah, 60 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: I would like to fix stuff myself, and when it's 61 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: too much for me to tackle, I'm I'm not afraid 62 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 1: at all to call in for for the rescue party. Um. 63 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: But like I had a problem with my air duct, 64 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: my my brand new house. It just kept flooding, the 65 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: downstairs kept flooding, and then that finally results in an 66 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: air duct getting full of water. And I was like, 67 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: I can fix that. So did you go? Because what 68 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: we have now is the ability to go to YouTube 69 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: for anything, which changes. Before I went to YouTube, though, 70 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 1: I called so my drummer is also a mechanic and 71 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: an eagle scout and he's awesome. I did not call him. 72 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: I called his father, who taught that that boy had 73 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: to be all of those things. So I called um 74 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: George Hill and I was like, here's what I want 75 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: to do, and he was like, okay, here are the 76 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: steps you need to make sure you take. So I 77 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: did it. It's also funny too that when you're in 78 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: an artistic business um like you are UM in in 79 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: my different worlds that I'm in, your broke a long 80 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: time and you have to figure out how to do 81 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: other things because since you're so broke, you have to 82 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: learn or you just die as you can't do music 83 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: or I can't you know, try to do radio or 84 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: be a comedian because there's no money in it for 85 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: the first forever forever, so you have to fix your 86 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: own crap and cook your own meals and learn to survive, 87 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: and you become a good cook because you get tired 88 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: of eating crappy food, and you kind of acquire all 89 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: of these skills. And then then you get it kind 90 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: of all figured out at once and you think you 91 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: can have a figured out. Then you realize you have 92 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: no idea and you kind of start over again. Yeah, 93 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: but I think it just has to do with your 94 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: ability to be miserable and your tolerance for it. I mean, 95 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: I know you're kind of joking, but but it was 96 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: about going, well, this is uncomfortable. But I've all it's 97 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: always been uncomfortable for me, you know, growing up, you know, 98 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: a poverty kid. And I was like, what's the worst 99 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: that can happen? I stay the same, Like, right, so 100 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: let's go. My vacuum broke two days ago, just like 101 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: the little spinny thing stopped being a spinny thing, and 102 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: I thought, I can probably get someone to fix it. 103 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: I can probably just buy another one. But what I'm 104 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: gonna do now is take it apart entirely. You really 105 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: did that fix it myself? Because um, you know, before 106 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: I live back here, back back in Nashville, I was 107 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: over in Watertown. There was nobody around to help, and 108 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: growing up we didn't have a lot of money, and 109 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: when something broke, my mother would fix it. My father 110 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: would fix and he can fix anything. But my mom 111 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: is not afraid to take something apart and see how 112 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: it works either. So do you feel like a little 113 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: bit of you does that because you feel like that's 114 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: where you come from? Because I mean, at this point, 115 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: you have plenty of money. I can get another vacuum, right, 116 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: And I struggle with this too sometimes, Like you could 117 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: get a vacuum, You could hire somebody to get a vacuum, 118 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: bring it to you in vacuum your floor. You can do, 119 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: you could you I didn't think about having someone else 120 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: clean my house. And that's but a bit of that. 121 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: I wonder if that is that instilled in you and 122 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: that's what you just do because of where you come 123 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: from and the people that raised you. Yeah. Absolutely, I 124 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: think our first instinct for for people like you and 125 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: I is to roll up our sleeves and figure it 126 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: out for ourselves. And that's cooking or fixing a vacuum cleaner, 127 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: or how do I make a career making stuff up 128 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: and expect to be paid for it? And that's where 129 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: it comes back over to I mean, that's it. You 130 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: had to go. I mean, listen, you you played what 131 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: these small biker bars. You know you've been to Cabin, 132 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: Arkansas many times. I mean I know every everywhere that 133 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: your story has gone from Jonesboro, Arkansas stage like that's 134 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: that's my path as well, you know, one way or 135 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: the other. And so you know, when I would know 136 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: your story, but then I would kind of reread your 137 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: story to make sure that I was still kind of 138 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: clued in before I do this, I kind of go 139 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: back over things, and it's just like dang, Like that's 140 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: a that's a different way to go about it as 141 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: someone who wants to be um known as a great 142 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: songwriter and country music artist and a female to go 143 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: into these bars. But there's no other way. That's no 144 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: one told me. Just like you know, I'm left handed, 145 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: but I played guitar right handed and um and but 146 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: no one ever told me that was an option to 147 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: restring it or turn it upside down or learn it 148 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: another way. I just thought this was how things were done. 149 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: So I, you know, would would play some shows and 150 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: like borrow people's equipment to do that and then save 151 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: up and buy those pieces of equipment and run my 152 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: own sound and um, you know, I didn't need like 153 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: a fog machine or anything, but you know how to 154 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: run monitors and how to how to ring out a 155 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: room and all of that. I'm still not a great 156 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: sound engineer, but I had to figure out how to 157 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: do it all and how to fund it all. Talk 158 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: to me about when you first started playing shows live, 159 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: like before you learn how to play guitar. I want 160 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: we'll get to all that early early stuff, but I 161 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: want to know about your live kind of your live 162 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: show experience, like was it out of our or a church, 163 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: or like where do you for the first time go 164 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: and ask for the affection of others? You don't know. 165 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: I didn't play like a lot of talent shows and stuff. 166 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: In fact, I was pretty shy, it terrified. Maybe maybe 167 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: just to make me cry for people to so, you mean, 168 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: like in high school, to pay me any attention, like 169 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: middle school. Um, but I lived in We lived really 170 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: close to Hardy, you know, Mammoth Spring is really close 171 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: to Hardy, Arkansas. And they have like it's like a 172 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: um canoe rentals and antique shops and they had a 173 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: little place in the gazebo where people would play music, 174 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: and I did that and they gave me a hundred 175 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: dollars to stand there and play. Who who gave it? 176 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: The city? Yeah, we're just like go catterwaller out, but 177 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: this gazebo for a couple of hours and just played 178 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: you know, bluegrass songs and stuff and that. So that's 179 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: probably the first time. And when you first started playing, 180 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: do you feel like I'm pretty good at this or 181 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: do you feel like this is something I can do 182 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: while I figure out what I'm good at. I knew 183 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: I just I just wanted to do it, and I 184 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: didn't know yet at that young age if I was 185 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: good enough to do it. Oh man, I was probably 186 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen when that happened. I started playing guitar 187 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: when I was nine. But when I was like a 188 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: little little squirt, not any taller than you know, what 189 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: do they say kneehi to a grasshopper? We read a 190 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: blue grass festival and I had a plastic telecaster. Got 191 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: a photo of it and it had like Mickey Mouse 192 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: or Kermit the Frog or something on it, and um, 193 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: this this band called the Tennessee Gentleman was on stage 194 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: and they asked my mom, because I'm glued watching these guys, Um, 195 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: would she like to come and sit on the edge 196 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: of the stage. So I did, and I didn't take 197 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: my little plastic guitar at first. UM. And I sat 198 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: there on the edge of the stage and I watched 199 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: them play, and then the audience erupted, of course, into applause, 200 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: and my mom looked at me and she said, I knew, 201 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: I knew you had it. Then you wanted to be 202 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: on a stage and you wanted people to applaud you. 203 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: Okay of music was played around you as a kid. 204 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: Luckily all kinds um, I mean, like the carpenters love 205 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: and spoonful um. And then also my mom she didn't 206 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: try to shove classical music down our throats at all, 207 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: but she would just kind of have it playing in 208 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: the house. It's sort of so I'm that we would 209 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: ask questions, what is this song, and she was like, oh, 210 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: that's on a planet knockm music, Vibe Mozart. There's a 211 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: movie about him, if you'd like to watch it. And 212 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, yeah, I want to watch a movie 213 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: about the school guy. So luckily all of that was included. 214 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: And then my dad, Um was more like Christofferson that area. 215 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: He really liked those tormented h which version of christoffers, Yeah, 216 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: why me Lord? That version um To this day my favorite, 217 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 1: one of my favorite songs of all time. My favorite 218 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: Christofferson song is to Beat the Devil? Is that because 219 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: of your dad? Is there a song that was played 220 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: in your house so much that let's eliminate that one? 221 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: But you hear it and it just puts you back, 222 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: like you feel of that, like dang, I remember being Amanda, 223 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 1: Amanda because we had this UM. I think it was 224 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: supposed to be like a family room, but it's where 225 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: my dad kept There was like a gun safe in there, 226 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: and like guitars and the kids weren't really supposed to 227 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: be in there a whole bunch unless you were going 228 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: to go there and use an instrument. And so that 229 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: is just about half a hallway away from the kitchen 230 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: where my mom is doing dishes, and my dad was 231 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: playing Amanda on the guitar and singing and that high 232 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: part that happens on the end of Uh. My mom 233 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: was singing it in the kitchen and here I am 234 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: kind of walking down the hallway and catching both they're 235 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: singing together. They don't know, he doesn't know that she's 236 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: singing with him, and I'm hearing it and just that song, 237 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: you see what it does. I'm like when I think 238 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: about why not me from the Judd's because my mom 239 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: used to sing that and moms you know that's since 240 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: passed away. But it's that you. I mean, you kind 241 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: of feel how you felt then just for a split second. 242 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: It's like there's also the intro to an Alison Krause record. 243 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: It was Alison Krausing Union Station. It's the one I 244 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: had it on vinyl. She seated like a staircase or 245 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: something with her fiddle in her hand. And I am 246 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: seven ish or nine years old. As soon as I 247 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: hear that guitar riff startup and I get giddy. My 248 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: therapist at one point gave me a book, and I've 249 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: been through a decent amount of therapy UM at this 250 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: point in my life. And that's a superpower. Yeah, it's 251 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: a tool. It's like Batman's superpower, right, Like Batman had 252 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: much cool stuff and so he was a superhero and 253 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: so I feel like, again, I've accumulated coold tools and 254 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: traits and UM. And she gave me a book that 255 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: talked about music, and you know, the book talked about 256 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: how when you hear something, even when you smell something 257 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: very specific for a split second, in your brain, it 258 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: reacts the exact same way it did when you were 259 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: what at whatever point. So just for a brief moment, 260 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: you get that feeling again, like in your chest of like, 261 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: oh man, that's that that reminds me of being seven 262 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: or nine or thirteen. Yeah, because our brains really don't 263 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: know the difference between an actual experience and the thought 264 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: of that expins I suppose, right, And you know what 265 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: do they call that? It's like our our dumb lizard brain, 266 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: our caveman brain. They just know that that experience is real, 267 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: So that would make sense. It was actually studying the 268 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: three parts of the brain yesterday, which is wild, and 269 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, the bottom part of the brain is like 270 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: the lizard brain. It's they have two modes. They are attacking, 271 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: running or relaxing, you know what those two or they're 272 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: just like there's nothing else right. And I try not 273 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: to live like that, and I really work on trying. 274 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: As I've gotten older, I try not to react as 275 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: much and I try to respond more. I'm trying I'm 276 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: learning because I love my therapist, and I know it 277 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: was like probably trying to put overalls on a cat, 278 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: trying to get me to go to therapy, and finally 279 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: it did, and I was like, this is awesome. I 280 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: was talking yesterday with my therapist not to go down 281 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: a whole therapy train, but I was. He was like, 282 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: when did you know about therapy? I was like, I didn't. 283 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: I'm from the population seven seventy to Arkansas, right that 284 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: we were trying to afford, you know, Hamburger helper for dinner. 285 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: Not you didn't know about mental health. It wasn't It 286 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,599 Speaker 1: wasn't really an option. And everything under the rug is 287 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: an option. Pray about it is an option in which 288 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: that it does work, you know, for for a lot 289 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: of people that simply simply praying about it, but let going, 290 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: like god, um, but also let go and let therapist, 291 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: let go and let yeah. And for me it was insurance. 292 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: I was like, once I even discover what insurance and 293 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: they were like, he was like, oh, that's house. Yeah. 294 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: I was like, twenty six, I did insurance for the 295 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: first time. So I started going to therapy and talking 296 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: to somebody who and I mean, this is the best 297 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: way possible, didn't give a crap about me. Yeah, that 298 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: was so freeing because I know that you know, you 299 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: don't have to hang out with me for three days 300 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: and deal with me. You're just gonna give me your 301 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: unbiased advice based on what I'm saying and your education. 302 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: That's how I feel with them and so but yeah, 303 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: that's been a big tool for me. Um, did you 304 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: do you feel like you've had a whole different set 305 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: of Like I wouldn't. I don't want to sort obstacle. 306 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: But since you've become so popular and famous, like, are 307 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: you finding new struggles with fame with notoriety because I 308 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: would assume someone that comes from where you come from again, 309 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: like with experience, like that's just an eye opening world 310 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: where you're like sometimes I love it, but sometimes I 311 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: really hate it. Well, yeah, when you all you know 312 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: is struggle and I have something to prove. I have 313 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: something to prove. I have something to prove. But I 314 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: still feel that way. So, like you know, when you 315 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: rescue a dog that's spent it's young life really hungry, 316 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: that dog is always in hunger mode, and so I'm 317 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: kind of that way. There's some things that I'm struggling with. Um, 318 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I live over in East Nashville, 319 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: where nobody cares, right, Um, it's a very cool part 320 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: of it, very cool part of town. Everybody's super cool 321 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: about stuff. And just just recently, as yesterday, I got 322 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: stopped a few times, which I think is great. I've 323 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: worked my whole life for someone to ask for a 324 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: photo with me. But then I thought, oh wow, I'm 325 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: not used to that happening. I don't think um my 326 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: address got leaked on the internet that was super cool 327 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: because I don't live behind a gate, you know. Um. 328 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: So it's like, as as things get better and you 329 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: feel like a lot of your problem, what I have 330 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: learned is that problem is just pivot, and it's all 331 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: and how, and it's all and how you you you 332 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: accept them and realize that everybody's got them and they've 333 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: Like my life has gotten better in a lot of ways. 334 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: But also I've had to take on a lot more 335 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: responsibilities and challenges, and I'm very proud of how I worked. 336 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: And the same thing. Sometimes I'm so tired, but I 337 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: have to remind myself, I'm so grateful that I get 338 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: to be tired doing something I love. Right, I don't 339 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: know how you have time to be sitting across from 340 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: me right now. Well everything, I don't have a talent, 341 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: and now you say that, I'm no. I'm gonna swear 342 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: to you. I'd have to hustle as my talent like 343 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: I have nothing. Hut is a talent. I will agree 344 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: with you there. But if you weren't talented, you wouldn't 345 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: live behind the gate, I promise, true. But they're just crazy. 346 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: You're right, I'll let you have that one. I'm not 347 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: even gonna argue that I'll let you have that one. 348 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: Um your talent? When did you start to be told 349 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: that you might be great at singing? I think it 350 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: started with not being told to not sing when I 351 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: wasn't great at singing. I was a little kid. Were 352 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: you a good little kid singing? Orre you a passionate 353 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: little kid singing? I both. I was singing, UM somewhere 354 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: out there from an American tale, and oh yeah, where up? 355 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah? And um somewhere over the Rainbow. And then 356 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: there was a record. Um, there was a Ricky Skaggs 357 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: record that I loved, was like live in London, and 358 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: um a record by the whites. I'm hanging it around, 359 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: just a little kid. Hope then you'll get lonely. Um, 360 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: and mom never told me not to sing. There's six 361 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: of us kids. So there's three boys, and then a girl, 362 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: and then another boy and then me. The boy right 363 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: before me. Daniel used to throw like shoes and stuff 364 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: at me and try to get me to shut up 365 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: when I'm trying to learn to play mandolin, I'm learning 366 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: to play guitar and learning to play bass, and I'm 367 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: singing all the time. And he was the one that 368 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: was like, but he's also he lives really he doesn't 369 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: live far from me at all. And um, he's one 370 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: of my biggest champions, my biggest cheerleaders. Um. My mom 371 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: was on a bowling league, and like I said, I 372 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: was a really shy kid, but I didn't mind singing 373 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: as my way of communicating. Uh, So I would sing. 374 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 1: I would go to her friends at the bowling alley 375 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: and said, you want to hear me sing something from 376 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: um an American tale? And they were like sure, you know, 377 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: And I'd sing a few things and I'd go get 378 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: back in my chair and color in my coloring book. 379 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: So I think not being necessarily told that I was great, 380 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: but just not being um, not being shamed about it. 381 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: From a really young age. Your dad played music, your 382 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: mom loved music. Did that rub off on any of 383 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: the other kids to where they everybody can sing? Everybody 384 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: can sing. My sister has a beautiful voice. My mother 385 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: has a beautiful voice. And in church, you know, we 386 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: were required to know all of the parts. Alto Tender's 387 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: a brand obays everything. My grandmother used to um, take 388 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: my finger and move it along the page of the 389 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: hymnal to show me what notes we were going to 390 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: be singing, even if it was the base we would 391 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: everybody on on mom's side and Dad's side, everybody can sing. Um. 392 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: I'm the only one that just kind of took off 393 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: with it. I even had one of my brother's skin 394 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: was played guitar in our younger years, and I don't 395 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: know why he stopped. Had a brother that played trumpet. 396 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: My sister played flute. Um, So we are a musical family. 397 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: I'm just the only one that I guess it kind 398 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: of stuck. It's interesting because I'm left handed and I 399 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: played guitar left handed. When I first I went to 400 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,719 Speaker 1: a pawn shop and I was doing comedy, and I thought, okay, 401 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to have to steal other people's music 402 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: to do parodies. I want to actually write original comedy stuff. 403 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: So I went to pawn shop for fifty bucks a 404 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: bought a guitar was right handed, and I just switched 405 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: the strings around. But what happened when there's a nut 406 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: in it and it holds different? So I kept busting. 407 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, busting nut. I kept breaking these nuts. Yea, 408 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: these nuts. The strings kept breaking the nuts at the 409 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: bottom of the guitarist. It like fracture, fracturing it. Oh 410 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: my god, yes, I got your back so overpe So 411 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: So it took a long time until I actually got 412 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: a left handed guitar. But I did not take to 413 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: it well. I I music for me has been very difficult. 414 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: I've put a lot of work into, you know, learning 415 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: chords and bar cole words, and for me, very difficult. 416 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: And I can't sing. I can sing just well enough 417 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: to do comedy that people aren't distracted by my bad singing. Boys, 418 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: now I'm pretty funny. You gotta give yourself for credit 419 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: that I don't trust me. Okay, I get enough credit, 420 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: don't with you? Growing up with a family full of music. 421 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: Did you feel like it was kind of intrinsic? I 422 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: love the way it sounded when we all sang in 423 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,239 Speaker 1: church together, but yeah, it just kind of just is 424 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: playing guitar. Love it when you started still assuming you 425 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: got bloody fingers and like everything, but like, do you 426 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: feel like you got it? Well? They wouldn't let me 427 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: play guitar at first because I was too small to 428 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: hold it safely, so they let me bang on a mandolin. 429 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: I remember I was probably in kindergartener first, right, going 430 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: outside of the driveway and rubbing my fingers on the 431 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: concrete because I thought that would help me get Callice's. 432 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: I was tired of my fingers being sore. And then 433 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: when I'm nine years old, my dad takes me to 434 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: a music store and there Missouri, which is just right 435 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: across the line from Mammoth Spring, So up until now, 436 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: I've been playing band then and then I was big 437 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: enough that I could sort of play with my mom's 438 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: Alvarez um but kind of under supervision. But they were 439 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: going to get me a three quarter sized guitar and 440 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: I didn't know, So we went into this music store 441 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: called Fayer Music cleverly named. And Dad hands me this 442 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: little three quarter sized k guitar and he says, see 443 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: if you can play something on that, and then he 444 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: goes and talks to the guy you know. And I 445 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: was sitting there playing like go talent Roadie or something, 446 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: and he walked back into where I was he said, 447 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: can you play it? I showed him when I figured out. 448 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: He said it's time to leave. So I handed the 449 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: guitar back to the guy behind the counter and Dad said, nope, 450 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: that's yours. Take it home. And so I wasn't great. 451 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: Mom tells the story that it was like three days. 452 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: My dad shows me like three chords when we get home, 453 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: and about three days later, I'm bawling in the kitchen 454 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: because I can't play and sing at the same time. 455 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:53,239 Speaker 1: So I'm learning Snowbird and by n Murray and I'm 456 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: learning Steel Rails by Alison Krausse in Union Station and 457 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: I'm super upset, and Mom said, give it a we 458 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: just just give it a week and see if if 459 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: you feel better about it. So I don't know. I 460 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: think I think there wasn't There weren't a lot of 461 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: distractions growing up on a farm and with access to instruments. 462 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: I think that helps everything kind of click. There's nothing 463 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: else to do. That whole situation. If you upset you 464 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: can't sing and play. That happened me last week the 465 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: same thing. I was like, Okay, I can't sing a play. 466 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: Why can't I do it? There are still certain things 467 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: I can't sing and play. I can't do it. Do 468 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: you ever get um? It's just wild that you started 469 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: on the mandolin. I don't hear of many people that, 470 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: because of their size, just start on the mandolin. Mostly 471 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: people learn a string instrument and they go to the mandolin, 472 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: but not because you're literally hands are so My hands 473 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: were so tiny. Yeah. Do you feel like that was 474 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: a good lead into the guitar? This is really really 475 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: different because it is so I feel like it's a 476 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: bit more advanced. It is more advanced, and I think 477 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: what it did for me is even though it wasn't 478 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: great at mandolin, I'm still terrible UM, but it did 479 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: teach my right hand a lot about rhythm and making 480 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: it hit the strings of wanted to hit. So I 481 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: didn't have to struggle when it came to guitar with 482 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: how do I strum? And what are the patterns. So 483 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: I think that that was probably beneficial, but I was 484 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: just terrible. You guys follow Ashley. She's got her own name, 485 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: which sometimes it is weird. People like, Hi, it's me. 486 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: I'm Clint Black, but only Clint black one on Twitter, 487 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, you couldn't get just get Clint Black. 488 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: Not that that's the exact case, but at Ashley McBride, 489 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: you guys go follow her, um, you know, go check 490 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: out never will maybe if for some reason you've been 491 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: in a cave and you don't know who she is 492 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:33,239 Speaker 1: and you're like, Okay, this is interesting, go go go 493 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: listen to the music. I think you're one of and 494 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: I mean this is in a complimentary way. You're one 495 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: of the few album artists that that I will invest 496 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: I'm so I need a couple of songs. I'm done, 497 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: But there were there were a few you Casey Old Dominion, 498 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,239 Speaker 1: Brandy's that way. And you know, it's all songwriting. Now 499 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: that I start to say this out loud, it's all. 500 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: It's songwriting more than it is anything else. But you're 501 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: definitely an album artist. And I don't know if that 502 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: means anything that's comment, but but thank you for coming 503 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: and I think we'll wrap it up there. All right, 504 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: There she is Ashley McBride. Moving on to number seven, 505 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna get into our conversation with singer songwriter Luke Dick. Now, 506 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: I booked this one personally, and I keep this running 507 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: list of guests in my phone, just people I find 508 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: interesting when it comes to like sometimes in the radio studio, 509 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: people will come in and talk about different songwriters on 510 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: their number one songs, and I'll always keep a list 511 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: of those. And Luke Dick had been on my list 512 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: for quite a while because he's written so many songs 513 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: that I feel like are always a little bit outside 514 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: of the box. I follow him on Instagram. Seemed like 515 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: a very peculiar dude, so I thought getting him in 516 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: a room with Bobby would be a great conversation. I 517 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: actually deemed him on Instagram. He was like, I'm totally down. 518 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: Showed up the next week and we did this episode, 519 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: and I can always tell it's a really good Bobby 520 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: Cast episode. Whenever we get into like twenty minutes and 521 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: haven't addressed any music whatsoever. Bobby and the guests have 522 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: just been kind of talking about things outside of music. 523 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: Those are always the best one. So it happened on 524 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: this episode at number seven. Here's Luke Dick and with 525 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: Luke Dick. You know, I've seen many, uh photos of 526 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: you have friends who have worked with you. It's just 527 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: random for me to have not have met someone until 528 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: this point because you're very established, you know, super well 529 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: thought of guy. And our pets have a crossed have they? Um? 530 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I'm pretty forgettable, though you are 531 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: not a forgettable guy. I'm pretty forgettable. I hide out, 532 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: you know. I just got my little studio and come 533 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: out when I get eat. I eat now and again, 534 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: and then I pick up my kids and then I 535 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: get back to doing whatever it is I'm doing. What 536 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: is your studio like? Um, you know, I bought this 537 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: house right when I moved to Nashville, um, six or 538 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: seven years seven years ago, and there was a garage 539 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: in the back, and uh, it was unfinished, and I 540 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: thought that'd be a great place for just have something 541 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: close to the house away from the house. And so 542 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: then I put these opaque glass doors so I could 543 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: have some light, and put as much of skylights in 544 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: and really dressed it up and made it into a thing. 545 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: And so that's where I am all the time. I'm 546 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: currently looking for another spot. I have too many kids. 547 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: They're beating on the door all the time. So are 548 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: you when you are riding in the shore? I assume 549 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: you do a lot of writing. Yeah, yeah, and you're producing. 550 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: Are you doing more than just demos? Like, will you 551 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: do any like anything for a record in your spot? Yeah? Um, 552 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: I I'm working on the next Miranda Laveryt record right now. 553 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: We're almost done. And um, a lot of this stuff 554 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: were was Um. When I do demos, I don't think 555 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: of them as demos. I just I'm trying to make 556 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: something that I love, and so I put more time 557 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: and effort into it. And so maybe some of that 558 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: stuff makes it onto the record. It may be the 559 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: pre production, um that we just drummed to. Um. There 560 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: was a single for Kip More called the Bowl a 561 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: few years ago that was just straight up out of 562 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: my studio. So I'll do whatever. How did there? I 563 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: was doing a little more research on because my my 564 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: vision and version of you has been the last ten 565 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: years or so. Um. But it seemed like for a 566 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: while you weren't writing country music for a while. Now 567 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: you're back, Like, why why why did you quit? I 568 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: wouldn't say quit. Why did you take a break? And 569 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: what brought you back? Yeah? Um? And um, I'm I 570 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: came to Nashville for a minute and I just didn't 571 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: have any luck. You know, I was trying, I was 572 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: made a record, I was trying to get a deal. 573 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: There are things stacked against me, just logistically in terms 574 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 1: of being a single dad and stuff like this, and 575 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: so I didn't And also people weren't responding in a way. 576 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: There were outliers you know that had some clouds or 577 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: something that I really love what you do blah blah 578 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: blah blah. But I was like, this never amounted to anything, 579 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 1: and it wasn't like people were picking up my songs. 580 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I clear either don't know how to 581 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: do this, I'm not savvy enough or or it's just 582 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: not good enough or something like that. Did you never 583 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: think you're ahead of your time? Uh? That's um, I 584 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: think that like looking back and listening to the record 585 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: that I made, that's what it sounds like to me. 586 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: But I also don't want to be um, um have 587 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: delusions of grandeur or something like that. It's just like 588 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: music is important to me. But it's also just a 589 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: snippet of life and reality, and it's a big part, 590 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's a big part. It gives me a 591 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: lot of joy. Um, But I also don't want to 592 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: think in terms like I have a hard time think 593 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: thinking in terms of that that you're ahead of your 594 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: time and that's why it didn't work or whatever. And 595 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: but then whatever whatever is and it didn't work, and 596 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: so I left. And then my current publisher called me 597 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: when I was in New York and um, he said, hey, 598 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: do you have any songs for Dirk Spentley And I'm 599 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: and I just said no, Um. I I mean literally 600 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: everything that I've written has been in falsetto and also 601 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: about the afterlife for some sort of afterlife adventure. I 602 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: mean it's too fantastical and whimsical for Derek's I just 603 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: don't thank you for calling me. Um, but he will 604 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: just look me up if you've ever in town. And 605 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: then one thing led to another in a few years 606 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: went by and we met and um for coffee and 607 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: he's like, you need to come right with me and 608 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: at this company, and um, you need to be writing 609 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: with Eric and you don't need to be doing what 610 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: you think you should be doing. You should be doing 611 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: what you want to do, and hits will fall out 612 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: of that, I promise you, And and he was he 613 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: was right. Um. And so between him and getting in 614 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: the right rooms and having just the opportunity to show 615 00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: somebody like Eric Church song or an idea for a song, um, 616 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: that led to a lot of things. And Kip was 617 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: a big proponent early on too. It was like I 618 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: didn't have any hits and he was coming over because 619 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: he liked the sounds coming out of my studio and 620 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: I would we would work on stuff, and I think 621 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: it was the Wild Ones record. I got a couple 622 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: of songs on there, and we just worked. Um. But 623 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: then Eric and then Natalie him Be and I started 624 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: riding together and it was like almost like we fed 625 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: off of each other's creativity, and so we were like 626 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: trying to not one up each other. It was like 627 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: us like pushing each other, like trying to make each 628 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: other like smile or get excited about a song. And 629 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: so we'd bring in an idea or a sound or 630 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: something like that, and that was a real joy. And 631 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,959 Speaker 1: then she would also sing my praises. It was like 632 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: I probably owere a hundred grand and pr fees you 633 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: know around town. Brought Miranda into the room, and that 634 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: became a relationship, UM and it's meant a lot of 635 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: joy and a lot of songs with her, But it 636 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: was that was kind of the beginning of it. It 637 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: was running into a publisher, UM who believed in what 638 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: I did naturally, instead of trying to curb it um 639 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: to meet a market demand or something like that. And 640 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: that's not really where I shine anyway. And I find 641 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: that if I feel like my cat in a corner 642 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: when I'm writing a song, then it's usually not gonna 643 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: be awesome. It's going to be an average kind of 644 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: thing day or whatever. I've talked to Miranda and Cassie Ashton, 645 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: Natalie him Be, those that you mentioned there, and they 646 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: all say the same thing about you is that you know, 647 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: you're very out of the box and with ideas. I mean, 648 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: that's that's the easy way to describe you to people 649 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: who don't have to write songs. When you started writing 650 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: with Eric, was he already having success or was it 651 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: early on m It was the Mr MS Mr Misunderstood record, 652 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: so he'd had a serious amount of success by the 653 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: time I was writing with him. So you you start 654 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: writing with him, I mean to you as a creative, 655 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: is that intimidating to write with him or is it 656 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: kind of refreshing because he also you know, win a 657 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: different angle at his success. Yeah. I was in New 658 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: York and when I was living there, they somebody showed me, 659 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: UM smoke a little smoke and they said, have you 660 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: heard this? And I listened to him like like, is 661 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: this what they're doing in Nashville now? And UM, it 662 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: gave me how you know that that there could be, um, 663 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: something creatively interesting, sonically interesting. Um, And I feel like people, 664 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: I feel like Jay Joey's kind of paved the way 665 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: sonically for somebody like me to be here. UM. I really, 666 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: UM have a lot of gratitude for what they with 667 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: those two have done together. Um it's no small feat 668 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: to break in with a different sound. And but but 669 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: more point at your question a little bit better. UM, 670 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: there's always a bit of intimidation. It doesn't matter how 671 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: how successful or not commercially successful the artist is coming in. 672 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: So but that was you know, the first chance at 673 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: and at an a list situation, UM, for me to 674 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: prove myself for whatever. Um, But I had sent him 675 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: this idea through my publisher that he loved, and you know, 676 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: there was it was already it was killed a word, 677 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: and there was already an idea happening there. And the 678 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: in the first stands and refrained, and he's like, I 679 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: love this, Let's finish it. And so he came in 680 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: and we finished that, and then it was like it 681 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: took us like an hour to finish the song. And 682 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: then he it was me and him and Jeff Hyde 683 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: who plays in his band too, who's a great writer. 684 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: And then he had the idea for a round here 685 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: buzz and so he kind of had all around here 686 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: buz buzz and so then we just sort of took 687 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: off on that and it just felt natural. Once you 688 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: get into everybody's a human, you know, it's like, there's 689 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:56,959 Speaker 1: no I don't know, there's no there's different kinds of magic, 690 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: two different human beings, you know, um and different and 691 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: and Eric is definitely somebody with um a special kind 692 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: of charisma and a special kind of UM creative UM 693 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: capacity and and uh intellect to me UM. But as 694 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: a human being or trying to impress another human or 695 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: something like that, it's like, look, you know, we all 696 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: woke up today, we all needed breakfast and all that stuff. 697 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: So let's just you try to put stardom or something 698 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: like that out of your head. UM. I tried to 699 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: um and not be UM. I guess motivated or or 700 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: dissuaded or felt feel insecure around UM that kind of 701 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: a status. I'm trying to think if there's somebody that 702 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: would be so star struck that it would be difficult 703 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: to write with. UM. Uh, you know Tom Waits. I 704 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: don't know. UM kind of sound like Tom Waits right 705 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: now when you're talking. I'm Bob Dylan. I guess you know, 706 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: if you had to go write a song with Bob Dylan, 707 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: that would probably be one of the most intimidating things situation. UM. 708 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: I remember this is not an intimidating person. But this 709 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: guy came over and he was an Englishman and he 710 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: had these hits in the eightieses pop rockets, and they 711 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: were really good, good ones. And I kept playing like 712 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: guitar stuff and he's like, uh, he'd look at me 713 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: and go and that's not very inspiring, is it. What 714 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: do you do to that? You know? I'm just like, 715 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: what do you got? And he's like here's a list 716 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: of I'm more of a lyrics guy. Here's a here's 717 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: a list of titles. And the titles were like all 718 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: night long, all night, all of everything, And I'm just 719 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: like kidding me, what is this? Are you? Are you 720 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 1: a lyric or melody guy at heart? When you start 721 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: to write, I can't separate them really, you know. Um, 722 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: when Natalie, it's different for different rooms. When I get 723 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: around Natalie and I have a medal melody already with 724 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: something and with the phrasing, and she wants to change 725 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: the melody, I usually defer to her because I really 726 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: believe in her abilities to make a melody. Um. There 727 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: are a few other people like that that I When 728 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: they say, man, I think this melody could be better, 729 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, let's check it, let's scrap it, 730 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: let's see what's up. Um. But it all, I really 731 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: want to marry it all because you can't just send 732 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: somebody the lyrics to a song and expect it to 733 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: speak to them off of a page. I mean, there's 734 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: a whole thing happening there. It's like, that's the beauty 735 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: of um music or songs in general, is that there's 736 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,280 Speaker 1: a sound, there's a you know, there's a chord progression, 737 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: there's a lyric, and there's a melody on top of it. 738 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: So it's hard for me to say that I'd be 739 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: one thing. Um, when you write, are you writing based 740 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: on will you just chase lyrics or will you sometimes 741 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: just create a melody and then certain lyrics into it later? 742 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: Both um? Both um. Laura Els does this to me. 743 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: I hope she's listening right now, because when we write, 744 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: I'll be I'll turn around and I'll start try to 745 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: get the track going. You know, it's like, okay, we 746 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,919 Speaker 1: got the first first, let me just put a little 747 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: bass part in here. I'll turn around. The Laura is 748 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: such a prolific lyricist that she'll be done with the 749 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: second first. I'm like, wait a minute, I like this song. 750 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: Can I participate please? He was hold on to you know, 751 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: have a have a story, eat some chips or something, 752 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: and let me do this bass part and contribute. Um. 753 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: But there have been times, um that the melody has 754 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: come first. You know it's like you know, you start 755 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: playing um and something will just spill out of you 756 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: and then you just work around the vowels. The vowels 757 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: might lead you to a phrase or something like that. 758 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: You know. Um, I read the Keith Richard's book and 759 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: he talked about the way that they did that, and 760 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: it's I don't think it's uncommon to do that, um life. 761 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: That's the book from Keith Richards, And he said, I 762 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: think I can't He had a name for it, you know, 763 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: the way that they do it. But it's you know, 764 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: you're just playing a chord and you're owow had and 765 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 1: so then whatever value sing that feels the most natural, 766 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,280 Speaker 1: you might lean toward a word with that vowel sound 767 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,439 Speaker 1: um and then it and then you have to work 768 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,919 Speaker 1: the concept around the vowel sound or something like that. 769 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: You know. It's a really songwriting is really weird. But um, 770 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: I do find that when I listened to songs and 771 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 1: I feel like that's a good melody, those are the 772 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: wrong vowel sounds or something. You know, I'm like, I 773 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: can't understand the lyric. It's not the lyrics not sticking 774 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,240 Speaker 1: out to me because the it's all mushed in there 775 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: in a way, and the vowels aren't popping in the 776 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,240 Speaker 1: there's too many words or too many, too not enough words, 777 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 1: so there's like an economy, and that's all subjective to right. 778 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: It's just like, does that sounds too many? Like too 779 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: many words to me? Um? It doesn't sound like too 780 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: many words to that artist or that person singing it. 781 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna compare you as a lyrictist and a songwriter 782 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: to Eminem, which you may have never been compared to. 783 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: But WHOA. When I listened to Eminem, he bends rhymes. 784 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,439 Speaker 1: Sometimes he doesn't rhyme, but still rhymes. And a lot 785 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: of or at least some of your writing. You don't 786 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: even chase a rhyme. There just aren't rhymes where there 787 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: should be where traditionally rhymes are. I shouldn't say should 788 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,919 Speaker 1: be right, Yeah, there aren't rhymes were traditionally rhymes are. 789 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Is that purposeful on your part to not 790 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: put rhymes there? Or is it just purposeful to put 791 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: those words there and they just don't happen to rhyme? 792 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: I feel like, Um, when you get down to it, 793 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: it's like, especially if you're chasing a lyric, and it's 794 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: like is this lyric working? Is this idea working? You 795 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: just run with it? Um, And then I don't want 796 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: to say it's not intentional. Um, Like the way to say. 797 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: It's not it's not my intention to say every song 798 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: needs to rhyme like this, or let's try some rhymes 799 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 1: in the middle of this of this phrase is rather 800 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: than at the end of the phrases, which is typical. UM. 801 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: I feel like you just all you're left with in 802 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 1: any creative endeavor is your own esthetic intuition, and you 803 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: have to go with what moves you. And when any time, 804 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: I mean, there's been a countless artist that come in 805 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,720 Speaker 1: and we end up with a song that I don't 806 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: care about. Um, and that's okay because they were saying, no, 807 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to do this because I want to 808 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: do that, and I'm like, well, that does nothing in 809 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: my head, you know, or heart or whatever. I'm like, 810 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: that doesn't do anything for me. But it's your career, 811 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,399 Speaker 1: you know, it's your artistic impulse that you're chasing, So 812 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,879 Speaker 1: chase it then, UM, and I hope that. I hope 813 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 1: it works if I like you and the demo to 814 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 1: kill a word yeah, which is you singing, which we 815 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 1: have it right here, well, like play a little bit 816 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: out of here, I sit down in its place as 817 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 1: we used to laugh out of disgrace, lay over under 818 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: six cold dirt. Yeah yeah, yeah killer, So that you 819 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 1: steal that we were at your house last night, so 820 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: much about your studio broken last night? So change the code? 821 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,839 Speaker 1: Is it a How prevalent is it that if you're 822 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,760 Speaker 1: writing with or for, like an Eric, that that person 823 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 1: doesn't sing the demo? And is that purposeful? So the 824 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 1: demo doesn't get out with his voice on it. It 825 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 1: wasn't purposeful. He just said, put your put your vocal on. 826 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: I like what you're doing. I'm out, um, do do 827 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,760 Speaker 1: your thing. I want to hear what you do. Um. 828 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: And then there's sometimes where, especially if it's a female artist, 829 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: where where I'm less inclined to go do a vocal 830 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,399 Speaker 1: on it. Um. And for a couple of reasons. One 831 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: is is shrewd. You know. It's like if they just 832 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: hear a dude on there, then it sounds like a 833 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: dude song, you know. But if you write it with 834 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 1: the artist whose female, and then another female artist the 835 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: other the other excuse me, the other female writer. If 836 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,359 Speaker 1: the other female writer sings it, it makes more sense 837 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: to me. But I don't like, really if I feel 838 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 1: like it shoots you in the foot a little bit, 839 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,919 Speaker 1: unless it's somebody like Miranda that we know each other 840 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: well enough to where it's like not like she's like, oh, 841 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: this sounds like she can hear through that stuff. I 842 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: trust her to hear through that stuff. But generally, if 843 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: an artist is there, um and especially if it's an 844 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: artist that I don't work with that often I'm gonna 845 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: try to get them to sing it because I want 846 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: to hear what they sound like on it too. If 847 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 1: I and also see if you face if you did 848 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,759 Speaker 1: okay or you didn't. What I mean by that is 849 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 1: sometimes you write all these melodies, You write the song 850 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,879 Speaker 1: and somebody sings on it just doesn't sound good, you know. 851 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: And so if you're off the mark in terms of 852 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: a lot of structure or something like that, you'll be 853 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: able to hear it. When they get on the microphone 854 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,840 Speaker 1: it's like they're not really capable of singing that, or 855 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: they were really great at it, or it's kind of 856 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 1: in the middle. Maybe we shouldn't have gone that high 857 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: and you change the key, those kind of technical decisions 858 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: like that. So it's if it's a if there, if 859 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: we're the only writers in the room, often times I 860 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: get tasked with singing the singing the demo on it, 861 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,879 Speaker 1: and I'm generally I'm happy to do that. It's fun 862 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: to me. It's a creative endeavor, especially if I love 863 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 1: the song. When Bluebird comes out and it's a massive 864 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 1: radio success, and I think it was the first massive 865 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: radio song from Randon a long time. I remember saying that, like, 866 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,839 Speaker 1: you know, she'd just had a record, that that double 867 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: album I had done so wonderful, but it didn't translate 868 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 1: into singles. But Bluebird comes and just crushes. It's the 869 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: number one and was one two Grammys. Um no, we 870 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 1: nominated for two Grammys? Did you go? That was when 871 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: the COVID was happening. So I bought a suit and 872 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: in my closet it sits so you didn't even put 873 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: it on for the night of it on the internet 874 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: on no. So is that cool to you to be 875 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 1: nominated for a Grammy? Or is it to you? Is 876 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: that just a piece of metal that represents and what 877 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: does representation? Even me? I would I would really be 878 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: lying if I didn't say that I would not want 879 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: to win a Grammy. I mean I would love to 880 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:27,760 Speaker 1: say that I want a Grammy. Um. Sometimes I catch myself, 881 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 1: you know, when you win something and it's like, I'm 882 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: always thankful to win something. Um, there is a truth 883 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,799 Speaker 1: for me to the the fact that when you write 884 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: a song like that that was really meaningful to you, 885 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 1: that nothing compares to the day that you wrote it 886 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,359 Speaker 1: with your friends and then you heard the and then 887 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: you played it back and you heard and you sang 888 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: on it, you listen to demo and you get excited 889 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:54,359 Speaker 1: about it. Nothing compares to that joy. Winning awards is um, 890 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: it's another like just kind of hurrah at the end. 891 00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: You know that you're the hard work in the view 892 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 1: to the beautiful work is already done. And Amy Taylor 893 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: calls it the pudding. You know, you've already eaten the 894 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 1: meat and all that stuff, and pudding is nice, you know, 895 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: but you don't need it. You're already full. Kind of 896 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: um of everything that said. If the Grammy, any Grammy 897 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 1: voters are out there, if I have for anything next year, 898 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 1: please vote for me. At Luke Dick Luke, thanks man, 899 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 1: Thank you. At number six is Parker McCullum, who is 900 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,359 Speaker 1: one of Bobby's favorite new artists, and we recorded this 901 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,920 Speaker 1: episode earlier in the year when he was really starting 902 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 1: to blow up, had just moved to Nashville. He's such 903 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,360 Speaker 1: a nice guy. He pulled up in his really big truck, 904 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,399 Speaker 1: and the thing I found interesting is that he called 905 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,760 Speaker 1: Bobby sir. It seemed like one of the most genuine 906 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: dudes and country music and really cool to see him 907 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,360 Speaker 1: blow up this year even after we did this episode. 908 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,400 Speaker 1: So at number six, here is Parker McCullum. Here with 909 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 1: Parker McCallum. Talk to me about the beginning of music 910 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: for you. When did you aren't playing I won't say bars, 911 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 1: but maybe that's where he started. How old were you 912 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: a teenager trying to play places? And what were those places? Yeah? 913 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: And I grew up in a town just north the 914 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 1: Houston called Conrow. I went to high school in a 915 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 1: town called the Woodlands, which is like five miles from it. 916 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: I made a bunch of shows at the Yeah, we 917 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 1: were headlined for I graduate high school on the stage 918 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:23,360 Speaker 1: and we're headlined in October. I'm like, that's pretty cool, um, 919 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: But there wasn't much of a music scene down there, 920 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,840 Speaker 1: especially for there wasn't any countrym Every kid in my 921 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 1: high school wanted to be a rapper, like I was 922 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: listening to Old Crow and Robert O'Keene and Randy Rogers 923 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 1: Band and nobody at my nobody. I grew up with 924 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,239 Speaker 1: listening that stuff my older brother and stuff. But so 925 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 1: that's what kind of made me go to Austin. I 926 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,799 Speaker 1: wanted to go find a bunch of people who are 927 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: kind of like minded, into the same stuff. But I 928 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,680 Speaker 1: think I had my first paying gig played on a 929 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,840 Speaker 1: flatbed trailer in Gettings, Texas the hay Seed Festival. Maybe, 930 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 1: um how old I was? Sixteen? My mom let me 931 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 1: drive myself and then she showed up to make sure 932 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,239 Speaker 1: I got there safely. That's pretty cool. I mean, I 933 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 1: guess now school, But at the time, I was like, 934 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,319 Speaker 1: what are you doing? That's it's cool that she Here's 935 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 1: what was cool. She'd let you drive by yourself and 936 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: then trailed you. She didn't go, I'll drive you. Yeah, 937 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: I mean, she's it was. Looking back, it's super cool 938 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: that she was there. Because that guy ended up paying 939 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,840 Speaker 1: me like nine months later, I think like seventy bucks. 940 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 1: He waited that he probably trying to get away with 941 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 1: not pacing me a check. So you you play this 942 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,799 Speaker 1: at sixteen? Where you going? This would be fun because 943 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,319 Speaker 1: I like to play a little guitar or were you going, heck, 944 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,320 Speaker 1: I'm sixteen. I think I'm gonna do this for my career. 945 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: I knew when I was like a junior in high 946 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 1: school is when I really started. My brother and say 947 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,359 Speaker 1: she were older. They were both in college at the time, 948 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 1: so I was like the baby. I was last one. 949 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,439 Speaker 1: Kind of the reins were kind of looser on me. 950 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 1: My mom was not near at strict on me my 951 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: last years of high school. She was my siblings. So 952 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,000 Speaker 1: I was sneaking out on my bedroom window on the roof, 953 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,640 Speaker 1: you know, every night, coming back in and waging out, 954 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,400 Speaker 1: trying to write songs. And that's really when and I 955 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 1: was like, all right, I know, like I don't stand 956 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,040 Speaker 1: out at sports. That was okay, wasn't anything special, But 957 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,879 Speaker 1: I could play guitar and write songs and sing lay 958 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: better than any of my friends. And that's when I 959 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,759 Speaker 1: was kind of like, alright, this is it for me. 960 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,960 Speaker 1: Were you the music kid? Maybe not the band kid, 961 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,960 Speaker 1: but were you the kid who played music and they 962 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,959 Speaker 1: know you as that? If there was a party, would 963 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: you have you ever have your guitar to play every 964 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: now and then they'd get me to do it. But 965 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,239 Speaker 1: I mean again I was playing like, you know, Randy 966 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: Rogers songs and Pat Green songs and stuff like they 967 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,400 Speaker 1: weren't Those kids were like who so? And did you 968 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,960 Speaker 1: decide were gonna wait till you guys got a high 969 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,440 Speaker 1: school to move off? Um? Well I had to. You know. 970 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,279 Speaker 1: It's not that I didn't get the into college. I 971 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: didn't exactly apply. Um. I felt up my name for 972 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,160 Speaker 1: a couple of schools on the forum, and then once 973 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:45,040 Speaker 1: they sent back insufficient application letters, UM, I was like, Mom, 974 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,799 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go to Oscar Community College. And just 975 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 1: like I moved to Austin and really I knew I 976 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 1: wasn't going there to go to school, so I enrolled. 977 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,160 Speaker 1: I was enrolled for a year. Did you go to 978 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,719 Speaker 1: class at all? A couple of times I actually ended 979 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 1: up not going to class. But my business professor I 980 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,520 Speaker 1: had met on like the first day ended up becoming 981 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,240 Speaker 1: good buddies and we would hang out outside of class 982 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,160 Speaker 1: all the time. But I never went to his class. Um, 983 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,000 Speaker 1: he's super cool guy, and uh, but I was just 984 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,800 Speaker 1: it was really just a means to get to Austin. 985 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,279 Speaker 1: And man, I'm at Corby Shaw at the Saxon Pub 986 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,399 Speaker 1: on South Lamar who had just quit Ryan being him 987 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 1: and the Dead Horses, who are my favorite band in 988 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:18,879 Speaker 1: the world at the time, I thought they walked on water. 989 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 1: When you say met him though, were you both hanging out? 990 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,759 Speaker 1: Were you trying to play? Were you asking if you 991 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,799 Speaker 1: could play? I was not playing there yet. Um. In fact, 992 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,400 Speaker 1: it might have been the exact next day that David Cotton, 993 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 1: who used to book those clubs down there, called me 994 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 1: and was like, can you play tomorrow night at the 995 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:33,840 Speaker 1: Saccent And I was like, dude, I only got like 996 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,280 Speaker 1: five songs and he's like, we'll play them all three times? 997 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,360 Speaker 1: And um, how did he know you played? Um? A 998 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: girl named Ashley Monicle was there that night, who had 999 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,279 Speaker 1: I had kind of she was she thought I was 1000 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,880 Speaker 1: good and was trying to get me to meet some 1001 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,839 Speaker 1: people and she was like, you need to hear this kid. 1002 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 1: And he didn't even listen. He was just like, all right, cool, 1003 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,400 Speaker 1: you can play here tomorrow night. So you met the 1004 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,279 Speaker 1: guy before you even played there, and what did that 1005 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,080 Speaker 1: relationship turn into? He ended up producing The Limestone Kid, 1006 00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,760 Speaker 1: my first record, because he had he was an original 1007 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 1: Day Horses. Ryan Bingham like through mess leader on Roadhouse 1008 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,000 Speaker 1: son to my favorite records of all time. Um. And 1009 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,920 Speaker 1: so when I was in the bar that night, and 1010 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,400 Speaker 1: I was only twenty at the time, I was in 1011 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,160 Speaker 1: there with a fake idea. They ended up finding out 1012 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,040 Speaker 1: I'd played there a couple of times, and then they 1013 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,719 Speaker 1: made me stop playing there until I was twenty one 1014 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,640 Speaker 1: and I was allowed to come back. Um. But I 1015 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,040 Speaker 1: met him, and I just remember that night. I was like, dude, 1016 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,680 Speaker 1: you do you play guitar for Ryan Bingham? And he 1017 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,680 Speaker 1: was like no, I did play guys like I just 1018 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,040 Speaker 1: quit the band like the week before, and I was 1019 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 1: just crushed. And then, uh, like two weeks later, that 1020 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,839 Speaker 1: same girl was like, Hey, come over to my house. 1021 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,840 Speaker 1: Corby's over here doing some demos for me. And I 1022 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 1: had just written two of those songs on that first 1023 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,719 Speaker 1: record like the day before and played him for him 1024 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,160 Speaker 1: and he was like, man, let me produce your record. 1025 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,960 Speaker 1: So I don't think he had ever produced a record before. 1026 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:44,840 Speaker 1: So what does that mean? Do you let me produce 1027 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,799 Speaker 1: your record? How many songs did you have or did 1028 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,719 Speaker 1: you go out? I'm not there yet. Let me write 1029 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 1: some more of what was that? I actually the songs 1030 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,160 Speaker 1: I had there was the money problem that and I 1031 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,520 Speaker 1: had my and my dad's very successful guy. He had 1032 00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,600 Speaker 1: offered to pay for all of that, and I just 1033 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 1: respectfully declined because I wanted to do it on my own. 1034 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,719 Speaker 1: So I actually went and took out a loan and uh, 1035 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,719 Speaker 1: that took. That was quite a process to not I 1036 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,879 Speaker 1: had no credit or anything, had my granddad co sign 1037 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,920 Speaker 1: on it. Once I got the money, it was like okay. 1038 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,520 Speaker 1: And then I didn't take out enough. He was like, right, well, 1039 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,080 Speaker 1: we have enough for four songs. So we did a 1040 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,359 Speaker 1: four song EP, which was called a Redtown View. Um, 1041 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,040 Speaker 1: and he's like, when you get some more money, we're 1042 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,759 Speaker 1: going to do the full album. And so I went 1043 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,239 Speaker 1: and took out another loan and those four songs kind 1044 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,040 Speaker 1: of compiled with the other six to make or seven 1045 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,520 Speaker 1: to make an eleven song album. Were you playing a 1046 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,680 Speaker 1: bunch as you're making this record, because it sounds like 1047 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,799 Speaker 1: when you met him you weren't playing. You were not 1048 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,359 Speaker 1: playing it often a little bit, but that was Um. 1049 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,360 Speaker 1: I was living my brother, my older cousin, in his 1050 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 1: house in South Austin, man check and Slaughter. If you 1051 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,239 Speaker 1: know I live right there, I still live Brodian Slaughter. Yeah, 1052 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,880 Speaker 1: so you're talking about one road difference. Yes, and I was. 1053 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,080 Speaker 1: I was living there, I was enrolled in school, and man, 1054 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,560 Speaker 1: I just I was unmotivated. I didn't know what I 1055 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,399 Speaker 1: was doing. I had no idea how to go get 1056 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,200 Speaker 1: a gig um that someone hadn't just handed me. And 1057 00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,440 Speaker 1: so my brother actually one day was like I think 1058 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,839 Speaker 1: he was. He's six years older than I am, so 1059 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,120 Speaker 1: I think he kind of saw me just sort of 1060 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,719 Speaker 1: not doing anything. But if I think he thought I 1061 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,400 Speaker 1: was talented, and he's my brother's a phenomenal songwriter, so 1062 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,920 Speaker 1: he's he's a very good judge of that and UM, 1063 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,719 Speaker 1: and he remember him saying to me one night, He's like, dude, 1064 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,080 Speaker 1: just go book thirty shows and thirty days and see 1065 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,239 Speaker 1: if you can ever quit. He's like, play those and 1066 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,719 Speaker 1: see if you ever stop. I didn't get thirty and 1067 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,200 Speaker 1: thirty days, but I ended up playing like twelve shows 1068 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,759 Speaker 1: that month, and I've been playing every since. So, as 1069 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,680 Speaker 1: you're performing and you have this record, are you selling 1070 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: it at the table? How are you? How are you? 1071 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,160 Speaker 1: What are you doing with that record? I had? UM, 1072 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,239 Speaker 1: I had paid a guy to print I want to 1073 00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,840 Speaker 1: say like two and fifty copies, maybe three copies and 1074 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,200 Speaker 1: I just always kept with me and I would just 1075 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:45,759 Speaker 1: hand him out every where I went, Like, do you 1076 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 1: know Steamboat Music Festival. I used to go up there 1077 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,640 Speaker 1: and and as a fan, and my buddy's parents would 1078 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,480 Speaker 1: actually take him and eye. They're big music fans, and 1079 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:55,360 Speaker 1: they paid for me to go when year and I 1080 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,120 Speaker 1: walked around the lobby handing out that even so you're 1081 00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,960 Speaker 1: just handing them out, you're selling them. You were like, 1082 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,760 Speaker 1: anybody listening to this, just take a listen and uh. 1083 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,880 Speaker 1: And then right before COVID we headlined the whole festival 1084 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,160 Speaker 1: closed it out. So it's kind of a cool little story, 1085 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,720 Speaker 1: but it was very I was I'm the luckiest human 1086 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,719 Speaker 1: in my mind to ever live. Like I mean, it's 1087 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,600 Speaker 1: exactly how I thought and dreamed about it happening when 1088 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,680 Speaker 1: I was seventeen. Is besides COVID clearly, which is probably 1089 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,680 Speaker 1: for everybody. Exactly how I dreamed about it and thought 1090 00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,400 Speaker 1: it and hoped it would happened and wanted it to 1091 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,359 Speaker 1: happen when I was seventeen is exactly how it's gone. 1092 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 1: So who I saw you and said, dang, I would 1093 00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,440 Speaker 1: like to invest my brain power, where my money, my 1094 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,239 Speaker 1: time into making this person a better artist like it 1095 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:40,680 Speaker 1: was the first person to take a chance on you. 1096 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,320 Speaker 1: Corby Shaw was really the first person to take a 1097 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,359 Speaker 1: chance saw me. But I mean I went and took 1098 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,080 Speaker 1: out the money. He just thought I was good, want 1099 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,000 Speaker 1: to produce my record, thought it was worth his time. 1100 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,880 Speaker 1: The first person to really go you got it, I 1101 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,960 Speaker 1: can help you was Randy Rogers from the Randy Rogers 1102 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,560 Speaker 1: Man And where did you meet Randy? I was first 1103 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,040 Speaker 1: of four open in for him and two other bands. 1104 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,799 Speaker 1: Uh in Corpus Christie. One day. We had a van. 1105 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,360 Speaker 1: We didna have a trailer. Then we took out the 1106 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:07,840 Speaker 1: backseat and all the gear was in the back of 1107 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,280 Speaker 1: the van. Um and I listened. I had been obsessed 1108 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:12,400 Speaker 1: with them a whole life, you know. He was like 1109 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,520 Speaker 1: royalty down there to me, and uh, we're opening for him. 1110 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:17,880 Speaker 1: We just pulled up. I really we pulled up in 1111 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,319 Speaker 1: the van and look at my tour manager at the time, 1112 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,719 Speaker 1: Jake Murphy, and I was like, all right, let's getut 1113 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,560 Speaker 1: and go talk. We've been playing quite a few shows 1114 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,520 Speaker 1: at that point, just nothing, I mean nothing, no GHO shows, 1115 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,360 Speaker 1: terrible stuff and um. But we were touring a lot. 1116 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:32,520 Speaker 1: I remember looking at him, and I was like, let's 1117 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:33,680 Speaker 1: go talk to a bunch of people who don't want 1118 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,200 Speaker 1: to talk to us. We opened the van, Randy Rogers 1119 00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:41,480 Speaker 1: comes walking up. He's got on Gucci shades hat um, 1120 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:46,440 Speaker 1: you know, van shoes, Jeorge's gold chain rolling on his wrist. 1121 00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,880 Speaker 1: Like not what you think Randy Rogers is gonna walk 1122 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,520 Speaker 1: up and he looks so g um. I remember he 1123 00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,480 Speaker 1: walked up and he was like, do you guys have anything? 1124 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,920 Speaker 1: Let me know. I was like, that's cool. He's a 1125 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,600 Speaker 1: headliner to come in, you know, at least holler at us, 1126 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,640 Speaker 1: and then he said I So we went and played 1127 00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,040 Speaker 1: our show like three thirty in the afternoon. I looked 1128 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,360 Speaker 1: over on the side of the stage and he was 1129 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:09,120 Speaker 1: he watched our whole set. Um. And then five hours 1130 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,359 Speaker 1: later he plays his show at ten o'clock at night, 1131 00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,560 Speaker 1: and I was staying inside stage for his show and 1132 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,319 Speaker 1: he walked off and I've never been on the tour bus, 1133 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,040 Speaker 1: and he's like, let's go to bus. But as he 1134 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,200 Speaker 1: walked off stage, um, and we went to the bus 1135 00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,000 Speaker 1: and went to the back lound and he just lounge 1136 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,799 Speaker 1: and he sat down and he was like, look, I've 1137 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,040 Speaker 1: been doing some research on you. I'd only had that 1138 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:28,759 Speaker 1: one record, the Limestone Kid out and he's like, this 1139 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,040 Speaker 1: record is phenomenal. Um, He's like, you can be a star. 1140 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,400 Speaker 1: That night he was like you could you have star power, 1141 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,239 Speaker 1: you could be a star. I just want to help 1142 00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,440 Speaker 1: you avoid some of the mistakes I made. I would 1143 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:39,920 Speaker 1: love to help you get there. I don't want anything 1144 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,799 Speaker 1: from you. I just want to help. Um, So I'll 1145 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,359 Speaker 1: go home and think about it. That's something you want 1146 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,320 Speaker 1: to do. And uh, I actually ended up. I was 1147 00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:48,879 Speaker 1: trying to call my mom, trying to call my dad, 1148 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,800 Speaker 1: trying to call my brother. Everybody was asleep, and I 1149 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,560 Speaker 1: was freaking out, and I was like ready Rogers once 1150 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,759 Speaker 1: he had just started management company and um, he didn't 1151 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,040 Speaker 1: really have any but I think he had. He was 1152 00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,160 Speaker 1: running doing some stuff with Bruce Robinson at the time, 1153 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,680 Speaker 1: and maybe someone else. UM what they needed like a 1154 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,120 Speaker 1: kind of a main focus and right place, right time 1155 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,960 Speaker 1: kind of thing. I guess what he uh man, he 1156 00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,760 Speaker 1: took time out of his life to come to Nashville 1157 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,400 Speaker 1: and go into Universal Records and Big Machine and so 1158 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,600 Speaker 1: he came and did with you, and he had a 1159 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,520 Speaker 1: condo up here still and he let me come up 1160 00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,200 Speaker 1: here and stay in his condo for free and write 1161 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,239 Speaker 1: and got me a publishing deal, walked into every major 1162 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,480 Speaker 1: label in town and said, if you pass on this kid, 1163 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,080 Speaker 1: you're passing on the next George Strait, which over hyping it, 1164 00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,160 Speaker 1: I would say, quite quite a bit. He's setting me 1165 00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,160 Speaker 1: up to fail. But um, just for he's a family man. 1166 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:38,400 Speaker 1: He has a wife and kids, and he's got a 1167 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,120 Speaker 1: whole life outside of touring, and he plays a hundred 1168 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,520 Speaker 1: fifty shows a year and he would take time to 1169 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,040 Speaker 1: fly up here on a weekly basis with me and 1170 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,680 Speaker 1: write and get me in rooms and go in there 1171 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,480 Speaker 1: and say crazy outlandish things like that to major labels, 1172 00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:57,160 Speaker 1: and um, got me a record deal, publishing deal. Um, 1173 00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,080 Speaker 1: and they just I call him Dad for a reason. 1174 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,959 Speaker 1: People always ask why I call him Dad. So when 1175 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,920 Speaker 1: you started to do the tour of Aam Parker and 1176 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,040 Speaker 1: then you have a record, you're a big fancy record label, 1177 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,120 Speaker 1: how did that go for you? Was the first one 1178 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,880 Speaker 1: easy or was it weird? How many did you go 1179 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,960 Speaker 1: through until you settled on where you are now? Um, 1180 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,719 Speaker 1: we met with all the majors and then I think 1181 00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,600 Speaker 1: we met with Big Big Loud as well. UM and 1182 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,719 Speaker 1: kind of Before that, a lot of smaller labels had 1183 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,319 Speaker 1: been kind of coming to Austin wine and dine and 1184 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:25,839 Speaker 1: doing that kind of thing where they take you out 1185 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,560 Speaker 1: and they do the whole thing, which was really cool, 1186 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,399 Speaker 1: and it's on I read. I had never had any 1187 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:34,320 Speaker 1: record label, you know, kind of holler at at any capacity. Um. 1188 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,000 Speaker 1: And so once the majors really came out and we're 1189 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:39,880 Speaker 1: like and once one of them does, it's kind of 1190 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,520 Speaker 1: like they all come calling. It's kind of like a 1191 00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,239 Speaker 1: bidding war. Even if they like you or not. I 1192 00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:44,920 Speaker 1: think they just don't want to miss out more and 1193 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,800 Speaker 1: they don't want to be told no, which I completely 1194 00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,000 Speaker 1: understand that. UM. But I remember sitting there in Zo 1195 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,279 Speaker 1: members of it too. I mean, I just, you know, 1196 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,719 Speaker 1: you have every major label and country music sitting there 1197 00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,000 Speaker 1: going you know what. And we already had a huge 1198 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,080 Speaker 1: touring base and and generated quite a bit of a 1199 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,280 Speaker 1: new touring so I kind of had all the leverage 1200 00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:04,640 Speaker 1: was on our side. We kind of had were in 1201 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,480 Speaker 1: the driver's seat. Um. And they offered a bunch of 1202 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,120 Speaker 1: money up front and all this stuff, and I said, look, 1203 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,520 Speaker 1: I don't want your money. I said, I want creative 1204 00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,480 Speaker 1: control and I was like, I just want to be able. 1205 00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,200 Speaker 1: My whole dream was to be on a major label 1206 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,320 Speaker 1: with creative control and be able to do what I 1207 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,200 Speaker 1: want to do. If it doesn't work, cool, that's it. 1208 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:22,640 Speaker 1: You know. I don't think you'll ever lose money. We 1209 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,160 Speaker 1: already make you enough money as we tour. Um. But 1210 00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,120 Speaker 1: I mean I bet on me because I'll bet on 1211 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,800 Speaker 1: myself for sure, and you know it probably I don't 1212 00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,080 Speaker 1: know how it came off at the time, but I 1213 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,280 Speaker 1: guess it worked because they all made great offers and 1214 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,600 Speaker 1: and I was able to counter and get the deal 1215 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,320 Speaker 1: that I wanted. So you get to the side. So 1216 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,479 Speaker 1: at what point do you start preparing your major we'll 1217 00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,240 Speaker 1: call it major label debut? Like do you start immediately? 1218 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,480 Speaker 1: Did you already have that the song that you led with? 1219 00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,000 Speaker 1: Like I did not? I had, Um, Well, I guess 1220 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,040 Speaker 1: Randy Randy Montana was like my first co write in town, 1221 00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:02,560 Speaker 1: first real co righte and um, and I wanted to 1222 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,640 Speaker 1: go in. I'd never really co written before besides with 1223 00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,080 Speaker 1: my older brother, and so I wanted to come in 1224 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:09,880 Speaker 1: and have like a good idea. So I had found 1225 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,080 Speaker 1: this video of me like singing this song. It is 1226 00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,840 Speaker 1: what does that say about me? I could love somebody 1227 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,320 Speaker 1: like you was the original line, and it was the 1228 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,360 Speaker 1: melody that pretty Hard is. And I was like, man, 1229 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,360 Speaker 1: I don't forget about that. I'm gonna take that in tomorrow. 1230 00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,160 Speaker 1: And so we ended up wrighting that song and I 1231 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:27,040 Speaker 1: think I signed my deal not just a few months 1232 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:32,000 Speaker 1: after that. Um, I think that's the right timeline and um, 1233 00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,560 Speaker 1: and so I signed a deal and I was like, 1234 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,480 Speaker 1: these are the songs I have and they were like, 1235 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,760 Speaker 1: that's the one. So it was immediate they knew you 1236 00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,040 Speaker 1: knew all good, but it didn't. We were cut it 1237 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,720 Speaker 1: and then it didn't. I don't know if it can 1238 00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,840 Speaker 1: probably didn't come out for close to a year. Yeah, 1239 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,760 Speaker 1: we were just kind of sitting. Did that process feel 1240 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,440 Speaker 1: like I was taking forever? Yeah? I was really um, 1241 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,200 Speaker 1: which I mean I told myself from the beginning. I 1242 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,400 Speaker 1: was like, don't go in here, and and it's really 1243 00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,720 Speaker 1: easy to Yeah, you know, anything that's worth working really 1244 00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,920 Speaker 1: hard for, I mean, you know it probably just as 1245 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,600 Speaker 1: well as anybody, like as soon as it's it starts, 1246 00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,280 Speaker 1: something's gonna go wrong, something aren't gonna be what someone promised. Whatever. 1247 00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,200 Speaker 1: So I just kind of kept that in mind, and 1248 00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,160 Speaker 1: I was like, man, just you signed a deal. I 1249 00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:13,720 Speaker 1: was like, just trust the process. It was like, these 1250 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,440 Speaker 1: people have done it. You know, you're the one millionth 1251 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,600 Speaker 1: artists that they've promoted him put on the big stage. 1252 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,240 Speaker 1: And I was like, and he was. He talked me 1253 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:23,560 Speaker 1: through a lot of that. You know, he's done. He's 1254 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,120 Speaker 1: been through it a hundred times. What you do during 1255 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,600 Speaker 1: the whole time that we're waiting, we're just writing, writing, 1256 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,000 Speaker 1: And I was coming up here and writing. I'd have 1257 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,800 Speaker 1: my publishing deal for a year at that point, so 1258 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,200 Speaker 1: I was writing a lot um. But I was torn. 1259 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,280 Speaker 1: We're still playing a hundred fifty shows a year, um. 1260 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,720 Speaker 1: So I was as busy as I could be. I 1261 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,400 Speaker 1: mean when I say I wasn't home more than two 1262 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:46,240 Speaker 1: days at a time for four years, that's has no exaggeration. 1263 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,520 Speaker 1: I would literally would get off the bus and Austin 1264 00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:52,040 Speaker 1: on Sunday, take the last Southwest flight out on Sunday 1265 00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,280 Speaker 1: evening to Austin. I mean to Nashville right and go 1266 00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,680 Speaker 1: to meetings Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and fly right back Wednesday 1267 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:02,520 Speaker 1: night for like years. Any of your music friends in 1268 01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Texas for moving to Nashville everybody loves it. Is that 1269 01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,200 Speaker 1: because I feel like that stage is kind of over 1270 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:12,640 Speaker 1: as well. I mean, Dodd I said, I made it 1271 01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,600 Speaker 1: very clear from the start, and I was like, I 1272 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,640 Speaker 1: grew up idolizing George straight. You know, he has sixteen 1273 01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,720 Speaker 1: number one, probably I think two or three more than that, 1274 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,280 Speaker 1: maybe six two, six three something like that. Now he's 1275 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:27,560 Speaker 1: the epitome of of what I think anybody should aspire 1276 01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,720 Speaker 1: to be in country music. Um. And he sold out 1277 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,000 Speaker 1: a T and T Stadium back to back nights residency 1278 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,840 Speaker 1: in Vegas, Madison Square, Go, you name it, you're not. 1279 01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,320 Speaker 1: He's just there's nothing he hasn't done in the business. Um, 1280 01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,280 Speaker 1: he's a king. And so that was always I was like, man, 1281 01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,680 Speaker 1: just you're never gonna get I'll never get to that level, 1282 01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,480 Speaker 1: but try to, you know, and maybe you get halfway there. 1283 01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,320 Speaker 1: That's pretty damn good. Um. And so I always made 1284 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,880 Speaker 1: it really clear that was my goal. Um, But it 1285 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,880 Speaker 1: was always my goal to do it on really I 1286 01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:02,360 Speaker 1: was raised on songwriters, um, really really talented, you know, 1287 01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,760 Speaker 1: honest songwriting, and so the goal was always to go 1288 01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:11,040 Speaker 1: to that level and beyond country radio without sounding like 1289 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, everything else that is coming out on country radio, 1290 01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,400 Speaker 1: and there's a dude. I say that all the time, 1291 01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,680 Speaker 1: people are like, WHOA, we'll be careful. Majority of that 1292 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,760 Speaker 1: stuff I really enjoy. I really like it do no 1293 01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,240 Speaker 1: matter what genre is their songs. I don't like um, 1294 01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,760 Speaker 1: but I like the majority of stuff on country radio. 1295 01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,360 Speaker 1: I just think that there's like a there's a there's 1296 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,600 Speaker 1: a gap in a space for someone that's younger, like 1297 01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,680 Speaker 1: Chris Stapleton's phenomenal. He's an anomaly, right, like as talented 1298 01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,360 Speaker 1: as a human being could be, but he's a little older. 1299 01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:44,280 Speaker 1: There's no like young kids younger generation that are super 1300 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,760 Speaker 1: like hung up on songwriting that are on commercial radio 1301 01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,439 Speaker 1: country radio. And I just was like, maybe I could 1302 01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:52,840 Speaker 1: do that. I want to play a little bit of 1303 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,280 Speaker 1: to Be Loved by You? Is that the current single? 1304 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:10,160 Speaker 1: It's quiet, What Sleep Long? When you maybe you're mad 1305 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:17,200 Speaker 1: at me? The kid tell me the truth? What there's 1306 01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:29,440 Speaker 1: a man? So he wrote that with Red red Akins. 1307 01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,320 Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Thank you, man. I mean, I love Ratt. 1308 01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:36,560 Speaker 1: Oh dude, he's a g just as a kid. You're 1309 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,160 Speaker 1: you know, obviously younger than I am. But as a kid, 1310 01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:40,400 Speaker 1: WT was on the radio all the time when I 1311 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:41,680 Speaker 1: was a kid, like I was a fan of him 1312 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,640 Speaker 1: as an artist, and now you know, getting to know 1313 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:47,160 Speaker 1: him personally, and I just htt I think he was playing. 1314 01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:48,880 Speaker 1: We're playing the operat together and I was doing comedy 1315 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,760 Speaker 1: after he was playing. But right before he went out there, 1316 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,840 Speaker 1: he pulled the biggest dip out of his mouth, through 1317 01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,240 Speaker 1: it in the cup and walked right on stage. I 1318 01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:56,919 Speaker 1: was like, that's disgusting. It awesome, and that's the most 1319 01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:58,800 Speaker 1: red Akins thing I've ever seen in my life. Red 1320 01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:03,040 Speaker 1: Man Silver Label. Yeah, every time we write together, we 1321 01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,120 Speaker 1: didn't mind me saying this. Sorry, if you do, he 1322 01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,240 Speaker 1: will choot and entire I've seen him go through more 1323 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,640 Speaker 1: than one an entire bag of red Man Silver Label 1324 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,200 Speaker 1: and we're there for three hours. You seem how big 1325 01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:20,920 Speaker 1: a bat it's. It's disgusting And I was like, that's disgusting, 1326 01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:21,960 Speaker 1: but I'm glad I got to see it. Like I 1327 01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,840 Speaker 1: would expect nothing less from rhet when you write this 1328 01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,080 Speaker 1: song with him, who, by the way, as an artist, fantastic, 1329 01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,680 Speaker 1: but as a songwriter even better, like throughout his career, 1330 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,160 Speaker 1: who he gets both sides of it whenever you write 1331 01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:35,919 Speaker 1: this song. Was this one of those who you're like, yeah, 1332 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,840 Speaker 1: this is special, or what did it become special after 1333 01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,440 Speaker 1: you know you cut it? Or like what process was 1334 01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,840 Speaker 1: this song special? Man? None of them are really special 1335 01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:45,640 Speaker 1: to me when I write them. And I think it's 1336 01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,120 Speaker 1: because I get so like when I come up with 1337 01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:51,520 Speaker 1: this melody that I'm obsessed with or this idea or whatever. Um, 1338 01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,840 Speaker 1: I get so excited then and then I write it 1339 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,280 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, it's super cool, and then I 1340 01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,640 Speaker 1: just forget about it, like I don't even think twice 1341 01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,880 Speaker 1: about it. Um. But this I retually written the first 1342 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,200 Speaker 1: verse in a chorus on the back of the bus. Um, 1343 01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:05,920 Speaker 1: at like eleven o'clock in the morning. We were going 1344 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,720 Speaker 1: on the road. We've just gotten on the bus, excuse me, 1345 01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:10,680 Speaker 1: and that we just got on the bus and I 1346 01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,800 Speaker 1: was in the back lounge and and uh, I wrote 1347 01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,320 Speaker 1: it down. I had actually sat out loud. Me and 1348 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,560 Speaker 1: Hallie Ray were arguing at the time, having a little 1349 01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,840 Speaker 1: whatever and um, and I set out loud. I was like, man, 1350 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:22,960 Speaker 1: what does it mean have to do to be loved 1351 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,520 Speaker 1: by that girl? And he kind of perked up. He's like, hey, 1352 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,200 Speaker 1: you might want to write that down, And so I 1353 01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,560 Speaker 1: just I mean in fifteen minutes. I went back and 1354 01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,480 Speaker 1: I wrote the first first in the chorus, and then 1355 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,160 Speaker 1: the same thing. I just forgot about it. I didn't 1356 01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:36,720 Speaker 1: even think about it. And then I had to write 1357 01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,400 Speaker 1: with Rhet and when me and when when Rehet and 1358 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,520 Speaker 1: I write, it's not like any other code, right, Like 1359 01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,640 Speaker 1: we'll go sit for the first hour. You know, he's 1360 01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,280 Speaker 1: having a chew. I'll probably bump some off him a 1361 01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,000 Speaker 1: lot of the time, and we just talked about like 1362 01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,240 Speaker 1: turkey hunting or deer hunting for an hour, or like 1363 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,400 Speaker 1: he's so many pictures all the deery shot or out 1364 01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,120 Speaker 1: is one of his farms here in Nashville. And then 1365 01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,200 Speaker 1: he'll be like, hey, so do you have anything. And 1366 01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:00,760 Speaker 1: that day I had it was like a few days 1367 01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,680 Speaker 1: after I had written that, and uh, or maybe a 1368 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,880 Speaker 1: couple of weeks and and I was like, dude, I 1369 01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:06,760 Speaker 1: have this. And he was just like all right, we'll 1370 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,800 Speaker 1: finish it. And I was like, okay, whatever. And he 1371 01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:10,920 Speaker 1: was on his phone and I could be like what 1372 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:12,240 Speaker 1: do you think about this? And he was like, yeah, 1373 01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,320 Speaker 1: that's how about this? All right? What about this? How 1374 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,160 Speaker 1: about this? For the second verse? And uh? And it 1375 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,760 Speaker 1: was really slow. It was not like this big rock 1376 01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,240 Speaker 1: and roll kind of rolling Stones feel thing that it 1377 01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,480 Speaker 1: is now um, and we did a little work tape 1378 01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,360 Speaker 1: and I left and then we went going to the 1379 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,320 Speaker 1: studio like three months later, and I was like, man, 1380 01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,440 Speaker 1: I remember talking to my producer John Randall. I was like, 1381 01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,919 Speaker 1: this song could be this and most of the time 1382 01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm wrong in the studio, I've learned that. I learned 1383 01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,080 Speaker 1: that very early on. Most of the time I'm wrong, 1384 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,560 Speaker 1: and but every now and then I'm like, dude, just 1385 01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,560 Speaker 1: give this a shot. And uh. We recorded it and 1386 01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,720 Speaker 1: then Rhet called me like probably two months after that. 1387 01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:52,680 Speaker 1: Someone had sent him a rough mix and he was like, 1388 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,800 Speaker 1: did we write that together? And I was like, yeah, 1389 01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,240 Speaker 1: even we finished it that day at your management or 1390 01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,880 Speaker 1: his thing is his publishing office that he has, and 1391 01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,680 Speaker 1: he was like, dude, that's insane. And I was like, dude, 1392 01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,120 Speaker 1: the songs, I was like, and I'm never hyped on 1393 01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,240 Speaker 1: my own stuff. I never think very much of it. 1394 01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,160 Speaker 1: I get over it very quickly. I'm onto the next 1395 01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,440 Speaker 1: thing very quickly. And that was like probably one of 1396 01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,960 Speaker 1: two ever that I've been like, Yeah, this is dope 1397 01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,200 Speaker 1: for sure, and probably more so because he thought so. 1398 01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,960 Speaker 1: Your EP six songs. It's out now, six songs, right, 1399 01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:26,920 Speaker 1: Hollywood Gold, and five of them you wrote. One of 1400 01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,400 Speaker 1: them is a Stapleton cut. Um, how did you get 1401 01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,080 Speaker 1: that song? Man? I that was my first outside cut 1402 01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,600 Speaker 1: on Universal. Um, that's the only song I've ever cut 1403 01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:38,480 Speaker 1: that I didn't write on Universal. And Uh. I was 1404 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,320 Speaker 1: driving to the ranch one day. I was in my truck, UM, 1405 01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,360 Speaker 1: and I got a text message from Brian Wright at 1406 01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,640 Speaker 1: the label and it was just a UM, you know, 1407 01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,160 Speaker 1: like an audio clip on a text and uh, they 1408 01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,960 Speaker 1: just said Stapleton slash Anderson. And I'm like, he's on 1409 01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,080 Speaker 1: He's on Universal as well, Stapleton. So I was like, oh, 1410 01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,240 Speaker 1: maybe this is one of the perks of like being 1411 01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:00,800 Speaker 1: on the same label. You get to listen to his 1412 01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,160 Speaker 1: record before it comes out. Well, listen to the song. 1413 01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,600 Speaker 1: And I called Brian. I'm like, Yo, that's insane, Like 1414 01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,600 Speaker 1: what an incredible song. And he's like, yeah, it's able 1415 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,600 Speaker 1: to never cut it. I was like, what do he means? Like, hey, 1416 01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,240 Speaker 1: he wrote it was like two thousand six or something 1417 01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,520 Speaker 1: or whenever he wrote a long time ago, and and 1418 01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,160 Speaker 1: I was like, he's like, do you think you would 1419 01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,840 Speaker 1: want to cut it? And I was like, dude, I 1420 01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:21,520 Speaker 1: sent it to my dad and he was like, that's 1421 01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:22,760 Speaker 1: the best song you've ever written. And I was like, 1422 01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,040 Speaker 1: I didn't write that. I was like, I was like, 1423 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,440 Speaker 1: but I am going to sing it, and uh, I 1424 01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,360 Speaker 1: just I was like instantly, I just connected. They sent 1425 01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,080 Speaker 1: me out. They send me outside songs all the time, 1426 01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,560 Speaker 1: and that's the only one I've ever been like, I'm 1427 01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:43,320 Speaker 1: cutting that song all right. There is Parker McCallum at 1428 01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,480 Speaker 1: number five. We're going with Matthew Ramsey of Old Dominion 1429 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,600 Speaker 1: and I really love the episodes when we just get 1430 01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,920 Speaker 1: a member of a group because I think that's when 1431 01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,600 Speaker 1: you get the best stories. And Old Dominion is always 1432 01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:56,840 Speaker 1: one of the hardest interviews we have to prepare for 1433 01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,000 Speaker 1: when they come on the Bobby Bones Show because there 1434 01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,560 Speaker 1: is so many members of the group, it's hard to 1435 01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,280 Speaker 1: focus your time on every single member. So I love 1436 01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,240 Speaker 1: it when we're able to do these Bobby casts and 1437 01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,160 Speaker 1: get just one of the members of the group to 1438 01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,840 Speaker 1: talk about their path, get their side of how the 1439 01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,600 Speaker 1: group started. And when it comes to Matthew Ramsey's case, 1440 01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,160 Speaker 1: all the number one songs he's written outside of Old 1441 01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,479 Speaker 1: Dominion and we had had Trevor rosen On from the 1442 01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,559 Speaker 1: group before, so I always wanted to get Matthew Ramsey 1443 01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,720 Speaker 1: into do an episode and it happened this year. We 1444 01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:25,920 Speaker 1: learned so much about him that we didn't know. So 1445 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:31,000 Speaker 1: at number five, here's Matthew Ramsey of Old Dominion. Alright 1446 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,760 Speaker 1: with with Matthew Ramsey from Old Dominion in your band 1447 01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,000 Speaker 1: because everybody kind of has roles in Old Dominion, Like, 1448 01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:40,479 Speaker 1: what is your role creatively in that group? Creatively, I 1449 01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,680 Speaker 1: mean it's tough because we are That's what makes it 1450 01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,600 Speaker 1: really hard to be in this band sometimes, is is 1451 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:51,559 Speaker 1: everyone is extremely creative. So um, you know anymore, I 1452 01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,920 Speaker 1: would say that it's kind of evolved. And I've I've 1453 01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:59,000 Speaker 1: recently learned, especially in this last album in the process 1454 01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:04,600 Speaker 1: of making it, that my role is not necessarily in 1455 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,040 Speaker 1: the tracking room while we're recording. It's it's in the 1456 01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:11,080 Speaker 1: control room with our producer Shane. And I'm I'm a 1457 01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:15,120 Speaker 1: better guide in that way. And uh and and I'm 1458 01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,479 Speaker 1: I'm a strong writer, I think too. So I think 1459 01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,719 Speaker 1: I have a strong voice in the writing of our songs, 1460 01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,080 Speaker 1: but everyone does. Everyone is so talented. Do you have 1461 01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,720 Speaker 1: to submit it? Isn't you use or frustrating. You have 1462 01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,080 Speaker 1: to submit yourself a bit when you go to record 1463 01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,800 Speaker 1: an album, because when you write it and you make 1464 01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,280 Speaker 1: you know your work tape or your demo and you 1465 01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:36,479 Speaker 1: have you can get demo itis and wanted to sound 1466 01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:40,000 Speaker 1: like there. But then Shane comes in, Um, Shane mcinally, 1467 01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,519 Speaker 1: who obviously is is the best at what he does. 1468 01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,559 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I don't think you would have 1469 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,320 Speaker 1: a problem with saying he's better at being a producer 1470 01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,439 Speaker 1: than you are. Yeah, oh yeah, for sure. It's gonna 1471 01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,919 Speaker 1: make sure we're cool there. And if he's like, hey, 1472 01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,000 Speaker 1: this is how I see it, Like I really am 1473 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:56,680 Speaker 1: passionate about this. Do you ever have to submit and 1474 01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,639 Speaker 1: go like you know what you know what you're doing 1475 01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:00,280 Speaker 1: and I only kind of know what I do much 1476 01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that. Yeah, definitely. But we have a 1477 01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:07,519 Speaker 1: close enough of relationship that, um, if if we still 1478 01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:09,800 Speaker 1: will go down that road, if we if we're not 1479 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,120 Speaker 1: fully believing in it, and I'm not fully believing in it, 1480 01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,560 Speaker 1: but he strongly is, we'll go down that road for 1481 01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,600 Speaker 1: however long it takes until it until we see it 1482 01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,800 Speaker 1: or we go you're wrong. And and he's great at 1483 01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,559 Speaker 1: going Okay, thanks for trying, and we do the same thing. 1484 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,200 Speaker 1: He'll he'll listen to us and our ideas, and you know, 1485 01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,080 Speaker 1: if we are feeling it one way, he'll say, I 1486 01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,200 Speaker 1: trust you guys, let's let's go down that road. Until 1487 01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,880 Speaker 1: he either sees it or doesn't. It seems this is 1488 01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:38,000 Speaker 1: just my memory years later that he was involved really 1489 01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,240 Speaker 1: early with you guys. Yeah he was. You know, we 1490 01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:45,960 Speaker 1: were writing music with him, songs um before he had 1491 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,320 Speaker 1: any success. So I think when I met him he 1492 01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:53,479 Speaker 1: had one he had just gotten um Leanne Walmack song 1493 01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:57,360 Speaker 1: recorded this first one, and you know we were all 1494 01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,880 Speaker 1: just broke, you know. He I think he had just 1495 01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:05,599 Speaker 1: like moved out of his car into a house, you know. So, yeah, 1496 01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,479 Speaker 1: he's been around for us for since the beginning. I 1497 01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:11,120 Speaker 1: want to go back to in Virginia. The first instrument 1498 01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,479 Speaker 1: you pick up, is it the drums? It was the drums? 1499 01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,760 Speaker 1: Why the drums? Uh? You know when I was I 1500 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,760 Speaker 1: had an older brother and um, he's he's four years 1501 01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,479 Speaker 1: older than me, and he had a friend who was 1502 01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,800 Speaker 1: a drummer, and it just enamored me just to that 1503 01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:26,760 Speaker 1: he would come over to our house and set his 1504 01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,960 Speaker 1: drum kid up and I would sneak down there and 1505 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,920 Speaker 1: look at it. And then he played like a drum 1506 01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,479 Speaker 1: solo at the middle school talent show or whatever, blew 1507 01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,639 Speaker 1: the whole place is mind. And I just saw how 1508 01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:40,679 Speaker 1: that affected everyone, and um so I just was drawn 1509 01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:45,960 Speaker 1: to banging on stuff for their bands that you listen 1510 01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,320 Speaker 1: to and drummed along with, and you liked the most 1511 01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,240 Speaker 1: as a fourteen fifteen year old kid, where you thought, 1512 01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,040 Speaker 1: all right, if I'm gonna do this, yeah, I mean 1513 01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:57,800 Speaker 1: at that point it was starting to get into um 1514 01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,840 Speaker 1: is starting to get into a lot of grunge. I mean, 1515 01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,200 Speaker 1: for me, when I learned to play guitar with Chili Peppers, 1516 01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,720 Speaker 1: it was metallic because it's some really easy intros. Totally. Yeah. Yeah, 1517 01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,160 Speaker 1: So I had at that point, once I started really 1518 01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,559 Speaker 1: digging in and playing along to music, UM I had. 1519 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,720 Speaker 1: I was my parents had a basement and I had 1520 01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:17,799 Speaker 1: a drum kit down there, and I had guitar amps 1521 01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,400 Speaker 1: and guitars, and I just and it was kind of 1522 01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,240 Speaker 1: like split even then. I had half of the basement 1523 01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,840 Speaker 1: was art supplies and canvases and things, and half of 1524 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:28,680 Speaker 1: it was musical instruments. So I would just kind of 1525 01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,439 Speaker 1: live down in the basement and play along too, mostly 1526 01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:35,000 Speaker 1: things like Pearl Jam and Nirvana and smashing pumpkins and 1527 01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,080 Speaker 1: stuff like that. And I asked this question, and I'm 1528 01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,200 Speaker 1: being as respectful and I possibly can with this question 1529 01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,360 Speaker 1: because what happened to me may have happened to you. 1530 01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:44,120 Speaker 1: But being an art kid and a music kid, did 1531 01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,240 Speaker 1: you get beat up a lot? I never got beat up, 1532 01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:49,720 Speaker 1: but I definitely, um, I mean I got tugged on 1533 01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:53,000 Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, um actually ended up. I've 1534 01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,360 Speaker 1: never really talked about this ever, but uh, I actually 1535 01:12:56,479 --> 01:13:00,200 Speaker 1: ended up getting plastic surgery on my ears because is 1536 01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,360 Speaker 1: uh they were yanked on quite a bit, and they 1537 01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,240 Speaker 1: kind of they were like, you know, I always think 1538 01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:09,800 Speaker 1: about this. It must have been really bad because I 1539 01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:11,760 Speaker 1: kind of don't think about it that much, but it 1540 01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,200 Speaker 1: must have been really bad for me to beg my 1541 01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:17,800 Speaker 1: parents to fix this problem and for them to go 1542 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,360 Speaker 1: through with it, because you know, I have kids, and 1543 01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,200 Speaker 1: I know if if they if a kid and my 1544 01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,760 Speaker 1: kid in the sixth grade was begging, you know, me 1545 01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,479 Speaker 1: to physically change them because of what people were doing, 1546 01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,200 Speaker 1: it must have been heartbreaking for my parents, and I 1547 01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,680 Speaker 1: know what stuff for me. So they did so for 1548 01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,559 Speaker 1: a while there, Yes, I went through some you know, 1549 01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:44,040 Speaker 1: some harder you know punishments there. I suffered similar you know, 1550 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:48,720 Speaker 1: consequences for not being a you know, finger quotes normal kid. 1551 01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,200 Speaker 1: But you're a like cooler than I am. That's why 1552 01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,920 Speaker 1: I asked. I mean, you're like cooler and talented, something 1553 01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,720 Speaker 1: like did you like break the mold or you're They're like, 1554 01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,960 Speaker 1: he's so dowented, let's just celebrate him. I mean I 1555 01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,920 Speaker 1: did wind up once I got into high school. I 1556 01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,559 Speaker 1: was kind of friends with everybody, you know, I was 1557 01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:09,200 Speaker 1: friends with the athletes, and I was also in the 1558 01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:14,000 Speaker 1: marching band, so you know, I kind of made peace 1559 01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,800 Speaker 1: with with everyone. So when did you transition from being 1560 01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,960 Speaker 1: the percussion guy to kind of go on, all I 1561 01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,680 Speaker 1: don't even really want to do that much anymore, Like 1562 01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,080 Speaker 1: I want to play guitar. I want to what My 1563 01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:26,160 Speaker 1: first band was born out of the marching band because 1564 01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:29,240 Speaker 1: the whole drum line we were such good friends, uh, 1565 01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,040 Speaker 1: and we all wanted to be in a band, but 1566 01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:34,519 Speaker 1: we were all drummers, and so it was, you know, 1567 01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,920 Speaker 1: one guy going, well I have I have a guitar, 1568 01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,320 Speaker 1: and another guy saying, well, i'll have the drum kit, 1569 01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:42,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I can find a basse. 1570 01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,360 Speaker 1: I'll borrow a base. I borrowed a basse from somebody. 1571 01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,240 Speaker 1: So it was just we wanted to play music, but 1572 01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,000 Speaker 1: we only thing we knew how to play with drums, 1573 01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,920 Speaker 1: So we just kind of learned together and you know, 1574 01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,600 Speaker 1: just my ear figuring out that. So then once I 1575 01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,400 Speaker 1: started figuring out things on the base, and I had 1576 01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,599 Speaker 1: a piano that I would, you know, kind of mess 1577 01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,200 Speaker 1: around with, and and and a guitar that my uncle 1578 01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,960 Speaker 1: had given me. My dad was like, you're really good 1579 01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,040 Speaker 1: at figuring things out. You should pick up the guitar 1580 01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:11,120 Speaker 1: and try that. So so then once I picked that up, 1581 01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:13,680 Speaker 1: I didn't know how to play it. So that's when 1582 01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,439 Speaker 1: I immediately started writing stuff so that I could play 1583 01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:19,680 Speaker 1: what I was writing that it was music natural to you, 1584 01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,320 Speaker 1: even though it was hard. It was, yes, it was 1585 01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:24,960 Speaker 1: natural to me. It was wild for you to be 1586 01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:29,519 Speaker 1: able to play a E. G C. E minor, you know, 1587 01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,720 Speaker 1: all the ones that you can let me be, all 1588 01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:36,439 Speaker 1: the ones I play for you to play, Like, how 1589 01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,040 Speaker 1: quickly were we able to adapt and actually play you 1590 01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:42,720 Speaker 1: know those main chords with your guys? I mean, pretty 1591 01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,519 Speaker 1: pretty quickly. You know, it didn't take very long before 1592 01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:49,840 Speaker 1: we were all writing songs together as a band. You know, 1593 01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,680 Speaker 1: they all sounded like Pearl Jam ripoffs, but you know, 1594 01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:56,000 Speaker 1: but didn't everyone. But yeah, it wasn't at that point. Yeah, okay, 1595 01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,280 Speaker 1: so you you you go to school, You're gonna do 1596 01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:04,719 Speaker 1: graphic art illustration. I'm messing that episode. You're also playing music. 1597 01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:09,160 Speaker 1: I again, I would understand that nine, nine people out 1598 01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:10,920 Speaker 1: of a hundred are going to make more money doing 1599 01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:15,240 Speaker 1: that graphic art job because they could probably get work. Maybe, 1600 01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:19,519 Speaker 1: I think it depends on not not necessarily in the 1601 01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:21,519 Speaker 1: in the field that I was headed towards. It was 1602 01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,439 Speaker 1: kind of equal to music, I think, because I wasn't 1603 01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,920 Speaker 1: interested in sitting at a computer and coming up with 1604 01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:32,479 Speaker 1: like graphic design. I wasn't. I was more tactile and 1605 01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,400 Speaker 1: would rather get my hands in paint or sculpt or, 1606 01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,360 Speaker 1: you know. So, and at that point, I have a 1607 01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:41,839 Speaker 1: couple of friends that are classmates that are successful artists 1608 01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,720 Speaker 1: now and it's been the same road. You know, it's 1609 01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,759 Speaker 1: just been grinding it out and keeping you know, keeping 1610 01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:49,840 Speaker 1: their head down and painting and painting and painting and 1611 01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,360 Speaker 1: painting until they finally we all at the same age. 1612 01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:57,000 Speaker 1: They're they're having success as artists and I'm having success 1613 01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,760 Speaker 1: in music. What was the first writer I won't even 1614 01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,680 Speaker 1: we'll say break that you earned. What what was your 1615 01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:05,960 Speaker 1: first break there? Where you go, Okay, I'm not just 1616 01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,200 Speaker 1: now treading water like I might be able to have 1617 01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:12,240 Speaker 1: some real success at this Yeah. Um, the first sign 1618 01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:17,400 Speaker 1: of hope was a guy named Steve Holly recorded a 1619 01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:22,160 Speaker 1: song that Trevor and I wrote with our friend Matt Jenkins, 1620 01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:28,240 Speaker 1: and then, um, really was watching my friends have some 1621 01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,320 Speaker 1: success was really what gave you the real hope was 1622 01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,360 Speaker 1: is that because you knew that you could do what 1623 01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,840 Speaker 1: they do well, I was doing what they were doing. 1624 01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,040 Speaker 1: I mean we were doing it all together. So it 1625 01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,880 Speaker 1: was like it's like Shane, for instance, he came in 1626 01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:46,360 Speaker 1: and played um I remember he played us the demo 1627 01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:52,960 Speaker 1: for Somewhere with You and U NYA, and we were 1628 01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:58,800 Speaker 1: just like, damn, like that's different, that whatever that is 1629 01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,160 Speaker 1: is the next step. And we even though we weren't 1630 01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:05,360 Speaker 1: writers on it, we knew that that was going to 1631 01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,240 Speaker 1: change the game for all for all of us. And 1632 01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,599 Speaker 1: even now when we watched Kenny play it, like we 1633 01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,880 Speaker 1: sit there and go we none of us would be 1634 01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,880 Speaker 1: here without that song because he wrote that, Kenny cut it. 1635 01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:21,760 Speaker 1: It changed Kenny's career and because of that, me and 1636 01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,640 Speaker 1: Josh Osborne and Trevor Rosen, Matt Jenkins, Brandy Clark and 1637 01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,960 Speaker 1: you know, we're all in that rider circle and we 1638 01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,200 Speaker 1: get we get to reap the benefits really of of 1639 01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:37,400 Speaker 1: that exposure. So watching our our each other succeed was 1640 01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,439 Speaker 1: really what kept us going. We were like, it's not 1641 01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:42,920 Speaker 1: like I'm doing it, but it's weird doing it. You 1642 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,479 Speaker 1: know what about first success for you were a song 1643 01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:49,160 Speaker 1: actually good, a single like a real life it's got 1644 01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:52,639 Speaker 1: a chance single. That was wake Up Loving You by 1645 01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,559 Speaker 1: Craig Morgan. So that was the first one. I can't remember. 1646 01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:58,800 Speaker 1: I can't remember hot went on the chart if it 1647 01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,920 Speaker 1: was top ten or not, but um, but it was close, 1648 01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,840 Speaker 1: which was you know that's back then that's all you want, 1649 01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:08,720 Speaker 1: is like you want top twenty and then you get 1650 01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:10,600 Speaker 1: that and you're like, can you watch that? It was 1651 01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:12,639 Speaker 1: your first you are you watching the charts everything back then? 1652 01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,400 Speaker 1: For sure? Watching it all the time. I don't watch anymore. 1653 01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:20,120 Speaker 1: But when you hear that at the beginning, the first 1654 01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,960 Speaker 1: time you hear it actually cut. Are you like I 1655 01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:24,560 Speaker 1: like what they did with that production? Or that was 1656 01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,599 Speaker 1: my alarm clock? Actually it really was, Yeah, yeah I did. 1657 01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,360 Speaker 1: I did that on the demo. I made a little 1658 01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:34,600 Speaker 1: home demo of it with that alarm clock, and and 1659 01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:38,280 Speaker 1: they Meredith and then everyone who cut it after that, 1660 01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:42,839 Speaker 1: A couple of artists cut it. Everyone used that alarm oclock. 1661 01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,519 Speaker 1: Then it's just my alarm o'clock. A couple cut it, 1662 01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,000 Speaker 1: but they didn't put on a record. Um, I think 1663 01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:53,800 Speaker 1: Keith Keith Anderson cut it, and I think it made 1664 01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,040 Speaker 1: a record for him, but it wasn't a single, So 1665 01:19:56,080 --> 01:20:01,000 Speaker 1: then what's the rule there? Because Eric passed who embuddies with? 1666 01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,599 Speaker 1: He wrote Friday Night? I think Friday Nights sung. I'm 1667 01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,280 Speaker 1: thinking of lady A cut it but on record. He 1668 01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,320 Speaker 1: then said, well he didn't use this single. I want 1669 01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,720 Speaker 1: to use this single one number one for him. I 1670 01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,840 Speaker 1: want to be Oh friend, is there a rule that 1671 01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,599 Speaker 1: if it doesn't go as a single, you can still 1672 01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:22,240 Speaker 1: probably cut it somewhere else? Sure? I mean it, you know, 1673 01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:26,200 Speaker 1: once it is out, once somebody cuts it, anybody can 1674 01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:28,800 Speaker 1: cut it. So so you can put it out as 1675 01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,200 Speaker 1: a single anytime? Do you have to ask for single 1676 01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:34,400 Speaker 1: rites though, no, only one. I don't think so. No. 1677 01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:37,240 Speaker 1: I mean you do that one time, you give you 1678 01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:42,200 Speaker 1: give the license out one time, and once you approve it, 1679 01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,479 Speaker 1: it's it's a fair game. So you're telling me I 1680 01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:48,160 Speaker 1: could cut I was on a boat, Yeah, put it 1681 01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:51,320 Speaker 1: out as a single, and then once it beat you guys, 1682 01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,680 Speaker 1: is the best streaming song. That's just life. Yeah, but 1683 01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:58,840 Speaker 1: we reaped the benefits of that. So why good? Good 1684 01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:03,799 Speaker 1: for us? All? Like we all one? Okay? Nice first 1685 01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:08,519 Speaker 1: number one song he wrote, say You Do for Dirk Spanley, 1686 01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,600 Speaker 1: And was that a rocket ship number one or was 1687 01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,479 Speaker 1: that a we don't know if he's gonna cut it. 1688 01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:14,800 Speaker 1: He did cut it, We don't know if it's gonna 1689 01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:16,840 Speaker 1: be on the record. We don't know it. All of 1690 01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,720 Speaker 1: them are like that. I feel like, um, that one 1691 01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:23,479 Speaker 1: was you know, talking about breakthroughs and stuff that as 1692 01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,599 Speaker 1: far as writing that song, that was one that I 1693 01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:31,920 Speaker 1: was sure it was something special. Really you knew when 1694 01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:33,720 Speaker 1: you wrote it. Yeah, So was there any chance you 1695 01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,519 Speaker 1: were keeping these songs? Because old dominion was maybe if 1696 01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:40,120 Speaker 1: we were a band at that point he signed no. 1697 01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:43,360 Speaker 1: So even like wake Up Loving You was our like 1698 01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,240 Speaker 1: show closer man like to let Craig Morgan have that 1699 01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,280 Speaker 1: song was a really tough decision because at that point 1700 01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,760 Speaker 1: it started to feel like maybe we were gonna We 1701 01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,000 Speaker 1: were so far away from getting signed, but it felt 1702 01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:57,120 Speaker 1: like maybe we were going to. Um So it was 1703 01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:58,760 Speaker 1: tough to kind of let that one go. Say you 1704 01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,840 Speaker 1: do wasn't tough for for us, because we we did 1705 01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,080 Speaker 1: play that song and every show and um but at 1706 01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:06,720 Speaker 1: that point, man, you know, we're just trying to pay 1707 01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,519 Speaker 1: the bills and and we moved here to be songwriters anyway, 1708 01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:12,120 Speaker 1: that's what we wanted, so um So it was awesome 1709 01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,960 Speaker 1: and and he did an incredible job. There was a 1710 01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,880 Speaker 1: moment where I was going to sing background vocals on it, 1711 01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:21,599 Speaker 1: but it didn't pan out. Um Man, it was just 1712 01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:25,120 Speaker 1: an exhilarating feeling to hear that song and watch that 1713 01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:28,519 Speaker 1: song climb to get your first number one. Amazing. This 1714 01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,760 Speaker 1: chainsaw from the Bam Perry wrote this one. Here's the 1715 01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:40,200 Speaker 1: was it written as aggressive. It's way more aggressive. Our 1716 01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:43,920 Speaker 1: version is way more aggressive. This one is the light 1717 01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:47,759 Speaker 1: version of it. So my dad, actually, my dad actually 1718 01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:49,760 Speaker 1: made a comment one time about he was like, man, 1719 01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:51,400 Speaker 1: your version is like, you know, I can kind of 1720 01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:54,320 Speaker 1: picture you out in the woods like with like frozen 1721 01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:59,080 Speaker 1: snot in your beard, cutting Downvagory. It's definitely a lot 1722 01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:01,559 Speaker 1: more aggressive our version before we get over to the 1723 01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,880 Speaker 1: old dominion stuff. Ecstasy from Sam Hunt is probably, in 1724 01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,160 Speaker 1: my opinion, his biggest non single song. It wasn't a single, 1725 01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:12,080 Speaker 1: but everybody knows it. Um, I wish that was a single. 1726 01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:14,880 Speaker 1: To me, I kind of had to be reminded it 1727 01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,280 Speaker 1: wasn't a single. I'm a big Sam guy. I like 1728 01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:21,280 Speaker 1: Sam away from work, you know, yeah, I love Sam 1729 01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,719 Speaker 1: at work, you know so, But I love this song. 1730 01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,479 Speaker 1: When he cuts it again, he kind of sol if 1731 01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,880 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken this was on the pre Yeah I 1732 01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,840 Speaker 1: think so. Yeah. Um, and Sam wasn't Sam Hunt. But 1733 01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,320 Speaker 1: did you when you guys wrote it wasn't written like Wow, 1734 01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,120 Speaker 1: this is different, Like this is something like New Territory 1735 01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,639 Speaker 1: type stuff. I mean, we knew before everyone knew that 1736 01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,599 Speaker 1: it was you know, Sam Hunt. Like writing with that guy, 1737 01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:53,040 Speaker 1: you're like, damn, this guy is something entirely different, friend. 1738 01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:58,200 Speaker 1: And what means like just his creative mind is he 1739 01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:02,960 Speaker 1: attacks things that different angles. So the things that come 1740 01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,320 Speaker 1: out of his mouth, You're like, I don't know how 1741 01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,600 Speaker 1: you thought of that. But you know, even like with 1742 01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:10,200 Speaker 1: make You Missed Me, he throws out a line like 1743 01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:12,240 Speaker 1: to keep a slip knot and the strings you attached 1744 01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:15,479 Speaker 1: like something some obscure thought like that. He can make 1745 01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:21,160 Speaker 1: seem very palatable. So just writing with him, that was 1746 01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,120 Speaker 1: a moment where you knew something was big was gonna happen. 1747 01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:28,120 Speaker 1: So that song, it's funny like he he overthinks a 1748 01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:32,360 Speaker 1: lot of things and to you know, to his credit, 1749 01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:34,800 Speaker 1: it works, you know, but he, like most people, you 1750 01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:36,680 Speaker 1: sit in the room and you write, and at the 1751 01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:38,479 Speaker 1: end of the day you got the song. You can 1752 01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,599 Speaker 1: write for weeks and weeks and weeks on the same 1753 01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:43,200 Speaker 1: song with Sam. So that's what happened. I never really 1754 01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:47,320 Speaker 1: knew the final version of Ecstasy until it came out, 1755 01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:49,519 Speaker 1: Like I knew what I thought it was gonna the 1756 01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:51,400 Speaker 1: other little changes that you heard in it that you're like, well, 1757 01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:53,160 Speaker 1: I don't remember that at all. Oh yeah, that all 1758 01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:55,200 Speaker 1: like talking part at the end that there's like a 1759 01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:59,080 Speaker 1: whole like kind of down bridge where he's kind of 1760 01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,320 Speaker 1: talking and you look kind of cute and all this stuff. 1761 01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:04,400 Speaker 1: I didn't remember any of that stuff, But I mean, 1762 01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:09,360 Speaker 1: it's amazing were you surprised to see the explosion of him. Yeah, No, 1763 01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:12,680 Speaker 1: I mean I'm excited. I mean I I'm supposed to 1764 01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:14,559 Speaker 1: be an explosion of anybody, right because it's always so 1765 01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:16,519 Speaker 1: unpredictable of who it's gonna be, when it's gonna be, on, 1766 01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:20,479 Speaker 1: why it's gonna be yea, And with Sam, it hits 1767 01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,680 Speaker 1: so hard, so fast, and I feel like Sam is 1768 01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:28,280 Speaker 1: the most reluctant superstar that I know, And when people 1769 01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:29,840 Speaker 1: are kind of bagging on him, I'm like, well, first 1770 01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,080 Speaker 1: of all, he's way smarter, way more talented than you, 1771 01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:33,920 Speaker 1: and he doesn't because he loves to be an artist, 1772 01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:35,680 Speaker 1: but he didn't want to be the guy out and 1773 01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:39,960 Speaker 1: people forget because everything now sounds like Sam Hunt, so 1774 01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:44,120 Speaker 1: it didn't. Then he changed it and everything on country 1775 01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,800 Speaker 1: radio half of it is just watered down Sam Hunts 1776 01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:50,760 Speaker 1: Kenny save it for Rainy Day. I have this hook 1777 01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:54,720 Speaker 1: up here. When you write a song like this, how 1778 01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:58,800 Speaker 1: quickly do you send it to Kenney? This one you never, like, 1779 01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:02,320 Speaker 1: I didn't know Kenny at that point point, and you 1780 01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:07,599 Speaker 1: never ever right aiming at a certain artist. But this 1781 01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:12,759 Speaker 1: song has the like quickest journey ever but a huge journey. 1782 01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,800 Speaker 1: But we used to write. Brad and I and our 1783 01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:19,360 Speaker 1: late friend Andrew Dorff used to write every morning at 1784 01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:21,920 Speaker 1: nine in the not every morning every week at nine 1785 01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:24,679 Speaker 1: in the morning, so we would have double booked ourselves. 1786 01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,439 Speaker 1: We would write from nine to eleven and then we 1787 01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:31,439 Speaker 1: would go to our normal right, So that morning I 1788 01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:35,000 Speaker 1: didn't have any ideas, but in the shower on the 1789 01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,479 Speaker 1: way or getting ready to go there, that kind of 1790 01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:40,200 Speaker 1: course popped into my head. So I showed up and 1791 01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:41,920 Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, what about this? And they were 1792 01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:44,080 Speaker 1: like yeah, And we wrote that song in forty five minutes. 1793 01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:48,839 Speaker 1: And at that time, Brad was making little home demos 1794 01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:52,439 Speaker 1: and I kept kind of egging him on, like dude, 1795 01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:54,880 Speaker 1: you gotta make a demo, and I was joking. I 1796 01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:56,519 Speaker 1: was like, man, you want to Kenny Tesney Cutter, not 1797 01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:59,720 Speaker 1: like make the demo. So he's like, okay, okay, and 1798 01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:03,240 Speaker 1: he made the demo and um, sure enough, like we 1799 01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:05,599 Speaker 1: got it right to him and he picked it up 1800 01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:09,840 Speaker 1: like it was it never happens like that, but that's 1801 01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,680 Speaker 1: the only time that's ever happened is And then he 1802 01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,080 Speaker 1: went and recorded it and the studio musicians told us 1803 01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:17,800 Speaker 1: they only did one take of it. They played it 1804 01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:21,080 Speaker 1: and they were moved on. So they thought, no way 1805 01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:22,840 Speaker 1: that's ever making it. So we wrote it in forty 1806 01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,439 Speaker 1: five minutes. They did one take of the recording session 1807 01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:28,599 Speaker 1: and then it becomes a three week number one songs. 1808 01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:32,000 Speaker 1: Pretty crazy. Thank you very much. I appreciated coming vibe. 1809 01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:34,400 Speaker 1: I know, Um you're doing a lot so to spend 1810 01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:35,960 Speaker 1: a little time here, We appreciate it. You guys can 1811 01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:40,040 Speaker 1: follow Old Dominion Music on Instagram or empt Ramsey. Um. 1812 01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:43,240 Speaker 1: That's that's that's Matt's private account, all right, I guess 1813 01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:46,720 Speaker 1: not private public but solo. Yeah yeah, which every one? 1814 01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,840 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, the private private account the only I have. 1815 01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:55,519 Speaker 1: That's the other matter, all right, Thanks Matt. 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