WEBVTT - Killer Mom Trial: “I Want Help, I Want To Be Well” Lindsay Clancy Defense Chips Away At Prosecution 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:06.040 Hey, that folks. It is Tuesday, August fourth, and week 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:10.479 two of the triple murder trial of Lindsey Clancy is 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:16.160 under way. The prosecution called several expert witnesses. By the 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:20.040 time they got done, they felt like defense witnesses and 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:22.680 with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:29.720 This was a drama filled, combative, tense day on the 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.000 stand and had everything to do with the defense attorney 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:36.280 taken a cup of prosecution witnesses the task. This was 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:37.159 something to watch. 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:39.239 That's right. The defense scored some major points. 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:43.279 I think by most accounts watching the testimony yesterday, there 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.599 were a series of doctors that the prosecution put up 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:47.080 on the stand. 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:49.080 There were thirteen witnesses total yesterday. 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:53.280 They got through a lot, yes, doctors, nurses, and law enforcement, 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:57.040 but it was the forensic psychiatrists that were pretty much 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:59.800 the big stars of the show, if you want to 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:02.000 put it like that, of the trial yesterday. 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:03.920 And look, they were there. 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:08.720 From the nurses, to the er doctors to the psychiatrists 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:14.080 to establish basically what Lindsay Clancy's physical and mental state 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:19.680 was in the hours, days and weeks after the murders. 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:23.959 Hey, but the prosecution calls these folks up, hoping to 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:28.440 bolster its case that the injuries weren't that bad and 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.360 she wasn't that upset and she didn't seem like a 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:36.759 psychotic person. That is what they were supposed to bolster ropes. 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.480 It seemed to do the exact opposite, the exact opposite. 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:45.960 Yes, the prosecution did get some of these doctors, these 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:48.920 forensic psychiatrists, to say, first of all, one of them 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.840 who said that her mood when she asked, because initially 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:55.880 Lindsay Clancy was indicated her injuries were that severe that 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.080 she actually had a tube down her throat. She could 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.560 not speak, so she could only communicate through a whiteboard, 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:03.920 and she said, she asked her, what's your mood like? 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:05.160 And she wrote horrified. 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:09.480 And then this doctor testified that Lindsay Clancy's first questions 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.880 were whether or not she had an attorney, is my 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:13.880 body broken? 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.120 Are my legs straight? Could she have visitors? 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:19.799 And then she said, I did not see any active 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.359 signs of psychosis or hallucinations. 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:27.240 But then the defense got their chance to cross exams. 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.720 So in saying all of that, robes before the defense 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:32.959 even got up the point they were attempting to make 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.600 is that her first concern was about her own physical 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:40.760 wellbeing or about her legal troubles. Correct the suggestion there 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:42.840 is that. No, no, no, no, this wasn't a lady 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.200 that was psychotic. She was calculated and now she's trying 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:46.960 to think of how to get out of it. That's 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:50.440 the assertion. I thought Robes just as a possible juror 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:52.360 me sitting there, I thought it was a bit of 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.359 a stretch to be almost dismissive of a woman who 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:57.440 just jumped out a window and slashed her own neck. 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.639 I thought it was kind of just dismissive. But then 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:01.760 the defense brought it home. 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:05.200 Yes, well, and there were two different psychiatrists that they 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:09.640 were able to make some very valid, valuable points for 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:11.960 the defense, And the big one for the first forensic 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.520 psychiatrist was I'm sorry, how much time did you spend 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:16.680 with Lindsay Clancy. 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.679 Okay, wait, this is the There was one. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:23.560 This was doctor Jillan Biswass. The that was the first one. 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.919 The second one is where he really took her to task. 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:29.120 The second one was the lady who was she was lost, She. 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.440 Started stuttering and she didn't know what to say. 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:35.600 But the defense, Yes, the big, yes, exactly. That was 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.960 the second one, but the first one, Jillan Biswass she 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.400 had to admit she only spent twenty minutes with her 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.560 while she couldn't speak. So then you start to think 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:47.360 as a juror wait a minute, you were able to 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:50.640 assess that she had no signs of psychosis or hallucinations, 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.120 that she was solely focused on her own well being 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.720 in the twenty minutes you spent with her while she 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:57.760 had a tube down. 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:01.360 Her throat and see or this was I don't know 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.760 when that detail came out in the examination. It didn't 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.640 come out, I'm saying the questioning. It didn't come out 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:10.000 when the prosecution was talking to her. So we are 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.800 listening to this woman who we think has all this 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:16.960 insight and information about Lindsay Clancy. Right. The lady's name 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.760 is doctor whatever. She's a psychiatrist. Okay, tell me about 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.160 this lady. And were hearing all this, she's this, she's 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.680 a she's this, he's that, and then you hear, wait, 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:29.039 twenty minutes. You only met her once in life. By 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.680 the way, it wasn't the follow up after that. She 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.599 ain't ever seen this woman again. Twenty minutes and you're 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.520 the expert on her condition. As soon as she said that, 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:42.360 I dismissed everything that she said as a juror none 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:42.800 to talk. 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.040 You you kind of I think you laughed out loud 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.880 when that was revealed. So then the next psychiatrist, who yes, 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.120 was eventually eviscerated by the defense. But she met with 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.240 Clancy Lindsay Clancy five days after the murders, and then 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.640 met with her periodically for the next month, so she 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:02.760 actually did spend some time. She testified when the prosecution 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:05.400 had her up there that Lindsay Clancy wanted to change 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:07.760 her health care proxy from her husband to her parents. 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:09.360 That was the first thing she wanted to do. 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.680 She did acknowledge that she was initially delirious, but she 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:18.000 attributed that to anesthesia lack of oxygen. She said that 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:22.560 Clancy did not have any suicidal thoughts. She expressed no harm, 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.159 no intent to harm anyone else, And she said, I 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.240 thought this was interesting. She said her thoughts about what 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.039 she had done that day or the murders was not 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:34.839 constant correct correct, so meaning she wasn't thinking about killing 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:39.479 her kids. And so that was all seemingly pretty damning evidence, right. 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.120 Yeah, so what we were thinking, wait, so she went 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.440 into that state and then came out of it, shouldn't she? 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.600 So that was the suggestion at time, and as people 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:51.280 common folks ropes who don't completely understand psychosis, we're listening 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.520 to the expert and going, oh, okay. 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.800 Wow, she seems pretty lucid. She seems like she's pretty strategic. 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.719 She's saying she doesn't think about killing her kids. 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:01.920 The defense capitalized on that. 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.000 So you're saying she wasn't exaggerating her conditions for legal reasons, 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.039 and she said, He said correct, and she had to 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.800 say correct, She wasn't exaggerating. If this was some big 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.080 plot or plan to put on some insanity defense, wouldn't 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.839 she then be talking about all sorts of things pretending 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:23.760 to be a certain way. No, she was just being herself. 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.760 And that resonated. And then he then asked this question 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.919 or yes, people can communicate and plan and act on 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.760 plans even if they are in the middle of psychosis, right, 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:38.520 She had to answer yes, He's like, basically, so she 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:42.960 doesn't have to be drooling and incoherent, Like you can 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:48.920 still be strategic and still communicate and still be you know, 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:53.280 have a conversation with someone even if you're experiencing psychosis. 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:54.240 She had to say. 0:06:54.320 --> 0:07:02.120 Yes, the two prosecution expert witnesses just eliminated the prosecution theory. 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.039 They did from direct questioning from this guy who was 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:10.960 rapid fire, direct, not using a lot of notes. Robes, 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.160 even when he had to call people out. He didn't 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.600 do it in such a nasty way, but he did 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:20.640 it directly. He did it firmly. Robes. He put on 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.080 a bit of a show. And I say show, not 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:26.360 in like he was being showy, but Robes. That is 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:31.000 some cross examination for your ass yesterday man, Absolutely he 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:36.320 got them. The prosecution's own witnesses refuted the prosecution case. 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.560 Yes, and there was one in which he really took 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:45.480 a took a doctor to task. He basically asked this 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.640 er doctor who was testifying for the prosecution. So we 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.040 heard about the mental they had the psychiatrist. They actually 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.400 had the er doctor there when she first arrived and 0:07:53.440 --> 0:08:00.320 said she described the lacerations on Lindsey Clancy's risks and 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.680 neck as superficial. She said, I would not characterize them 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.480 as deep. And obviously the suggestion is by the prosecution 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:08.960 that this was a faked suicide attempt. 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:10.720 To make it look like they said. 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.440 That she actually lowered herself out of the window and 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:15.520 just didn't account for the fact that the ground was 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.000 hard with the ice and the snow and that's what 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:21.120 caused the spinal injuries. But the lacerations have been a 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:24.080 big point of topic, saying, hey, they weren't that deep. 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.760 These are just superficial the defense. 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.520 The defense started asking all of these questions about her 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.319 spinal injury, about her body temperature which was eighty two 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.080 degrees you know the fact that she went into cardiac 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.920 arrest that night, and the doctor just kept kind of saying, 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:42.040 I'm not sure, wouldn't really answer, and so he got 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.839 frustrated with this er doctor and said, I'm sure you're 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:48.440 very busy, but this is a murder trial doctor, And 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.560 he asked the doctor, did you review your notes before 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.559 coming to trial? I mean, really made this doctor look 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:56.120 like an idiot. 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.560 Because there were this doctor, and then there was one 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:02.480 of the psychiatrists, the one who was he just she 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:04.320 was the embarrassing why I can't remember now. 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.400 I don't recall. I don't recall that one was doctor. 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:12.960 Okay Rose, the back and forth, the point he was 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.640 making here robes it's so effective that they came off 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:20.000 at times like they were going out of their way 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.080 to be on the prosecution side, and that's not what 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:26.200 they're supposed to do. These are doctors, these are finders 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.920 of fact themselves, and we give you the information when 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.960 they try to start dancing around and trying to say 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.960 stuff that maybe wouldn't look good for the prosecution. He 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:40.400 nailed them and they deserved it. I just give the 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:44.559 info that it was some fumbling robes. This was some 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:48.199 bad work. I don't know if the prosecution didn't prepare 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.040 these witnesses the right way, or we do see this 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.720 sometimes robes. They think they're doing the duty by trying 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:55.880 to put somebody in jail, but you're supposed to be 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.720 there as a doctor telling fact and what you know 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:02.440 and what's on paper, what's under a microscope, and yes, 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:06.439 so real. He let them have it, yes, yesterday, this 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:08.960 was I told you. I said, he Perry Mason the 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:09.640 hell out of somebody. 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.559 He did. And he also did it to an ICU 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:15.120 nurse who talked about ICU delirium. So she was trying 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.480 to explain Lindsay Clancy. 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:19.840 When she first got there. 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.920 I guess was agitated, trying to pick up her lines 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:26.000 and her drains, pulling all the stuff out, and that 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:27.480 was a part of this. 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.040 According to the defense, part of this psychosis. 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:34.160 Right, she is in the middle of just this absolute 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.480 horrific experience that she's been going through, and the ICU 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.439 nurse called it ICU delirium. She said, it's very common 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.199 that you see this in folks who have been admitted 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.760 to the ICU. But the defense got the nurse to 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.000 fully acknowledge that she was in her history and being 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:54.000 treated as a patient with documented postpartum depression history, and 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.760 he said to her, you knew there had been discussion 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:58.559 about postpartum psychosis. 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:04.280 Isn't that right? The ic unurse had to say, yes, he. 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.560 I mean, this is something to watch. And again, you 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:11.720 know what it felt. We've said several times here Ropes 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:15.720 that it seems odd to us that the prosecution leaves 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:21.280 zero room for the possibility that this woman was mentally ill. Yes, 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.679 all mentally ill folks don't kill people, but Rose there 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:28.240 is an extensive documented history of this woman not just 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:32.480 having problems, but severe problems, and some of the witnesses 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:36.079 didn't seem to want to confirm that that this lady 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:40.040 was troubled, and yes that I was surprised the ICU 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.640 nurse like, what are you talking about? You didn't know? 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.680 And what he got them to admit and admit, but 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.120 it took him like ten questions, so it came on. 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.320 I don't know how the jury is reading that, but 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.920 it's reading in some of these witnesses like you all 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.920 are out to get this lady instead of doing what 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.200 is your role and your responsibility here? I forgot about 0:11:59.200 --> 0:11:59.920 the ICU rs. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.280 Yes, that one stood out to me and so to 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:04.400 all of what you were just speaking of when we 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:08.680 come back. I think perhaps one of the biggest wins 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:14.480 for the defense was a prosecution entry of Lindsey Clancy's 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:18.040 own diary, her written words. The prosecution tried to use 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:22.520 Lindsay Clancy's words against her. The defense used them very 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.160 effectively to support. 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:36.400 Her insanity defense. And welcome back to Amy and TJ. 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.640 We are now going to talk about the other big 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:44.040 piece of evidence that was introduced yesterday by prosecutors, the 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.360 diary of Lindsey Clancy. 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.800 And the prosecution put this forward. 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.800 Saying, look, it clearly shows a woman who was obsessed 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.839 with her eight months old sleep schedule. They had an 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.600 entry in there about how she was hearing him cry 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.840 her want to die. It made her feel completely overwhelmed. 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.240 The big thing was, I feel like I'm drowning every day. 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.760 It's like I'm so desperate to get a mental break 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:12.120 from trying to take care of everyone that my mind 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.800 is trying to make something physically wrong with me. So 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.959 this was them saying that she was deliberate. She was 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:22.880 acknowledging that she was going, like, you know, getting so 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.520 upset and so obsessive about her children's. 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.719 Bit of a stretch, I thought, So I'm trying to 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:29.640 leave space where I wanted to hear their case. But 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:33.199 they're pointing to things that it's always tough when a 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:36.160 prosecution presents evidence. And then afterwards you can almost hear 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:40.200 them say, aha, see that you have no case, Like 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:43.120 you're trying to convince us of something that you really 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.040 telling me that an overwhelmed mother is the is the 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:49.840 evidence that she plotted to kill three kids? Come on, 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.280 we're parents. Don't don't talk to me like I'm stupid. 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:56.200 Yes, And so I agree, And then you hear the 0:13:56.240 --> 0:14:00.120 prosecutor read these jurors these entries to the jurors, and 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:05.959 I'm thinking, I'm receiving this as an outsider, as a bystander, thinking, wow, 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.920 that's a woman who is in severe mental health anguish, 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:13.520 and so yeah. The defense took that same diary and 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:18.800 found entries that absolutely bolstered their claim that she was 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.920 mentally declining. They showed an excerpt where she said, I 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.560 have no appetite. I don't know what's wrong with me. 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:30.680 I want help, I want to be well. To me, 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:34.280 that was the most powerful entry and one of the 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.400 most powerful things I personally heard in court yesterday. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:39.360 How long do you have the dates or how long 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:43.520 ago or how close to the murder of the killings? 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.280 When she said I want help, I want to be well, 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.720 that was the end of November. The killings were January 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.760 twenty fourth, so two months before she killed her kids. 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.760 She writes in her diary, I want help, I want 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.040 to be well. She writes about not being able to 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:02.880 sleep right, about incredible anxiety she talked, She writes about 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:04.440 crazy brain fog. 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.480 So are they suggesting that all this was done because 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.040 she was plotting? This was supposed to be her Well, 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:13.440 this is a diary she's writing personal notes that she 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:15.680 doesn't expect anybody to ever read And you're telling me 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:17.520 this is a part of the plan and the plot. 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:20.040 That was a tough day for the prosecution. 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:23.200 Baby, it's wild to me. I agree that the prosecution 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.840 has all of this evidence. They see all this documentation, 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.720 they see all these fifteen prescription drugs she was given. 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:32.280 They read her diary. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:37.800 How is that not a woman who is mentally completely deteriorating? 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.480 And we were open and we all are I'm opening 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.720 to listening to the prosecution explain they haven't gotten there. 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.080 This is just the second week. Maybe there is more, 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:47.760 but this was supposed to be key. Who are the 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.800 people who can prove robes that she was not in 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:55.400 psychosis or had a mental illness? The doctors. Those doctors 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:58.280 were on the stand yesterday and one of them only 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.800 saw her for twenty minutes in the past three years. 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:05.360 That's tough. 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:09.280 Why are we and why the prosecution didn't see that 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:13.720 as a potential pitfall in the evidence they were presenting, 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.680 knowing this attorney was going to point that out, and 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:21.440 knowing that psychosis isn't something that makes you so insane 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.560 that everyone can physically see that you're off your rock 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.560 or no, you can still you can still communicate, you 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:32.960 can still act in this world. You can still participate 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.760 and be suffering from a postpartum psychosis. 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.560 The doctor made that. The prosecution's witness, who was being 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:44.520 cross examined by the defense, made that point. Rope so 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.200 crystal clear and explain something to me that I didn't 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:53.040 really get, And she explained clearly that it is. It 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.360 doesn't mean she's faking, just because she can have a 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.800 normal conversation, so she can go in and out of psychosis, 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.200 if it can end, if it can start, than Rose, 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.560 that means she could send her husband to CBS and 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.280 to pick up food, she could order the food, and 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:11.280 she could behave perfectly normally. The doctor made that clear, 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:15.520 the prosecution's doctor, which I would believe more than the 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.639 defense doctor, because she's supposed to be there bolstering the 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:22.960 prosecution case and she's still saying this, Uh, Rose, I'm 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.840 waiting it also, was it, say Robes to the jury, 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.520 what't it say to you and me that the big 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.560 day and the big doctors they put on to push 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.040 back on the psychosis. One of them saw her for 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.560 twenty minutes. You're telling me that not a good look. 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.760 Best you got not a good look at all. 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:43.720 And you know there are we are expecting more doctors 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:47.200 to take the stand today. Court ended kind of abruptly 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.760 yesterday at three forty pm, but the judge said there's 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:52.920 going to be a similar schedule today. So I don't 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.040 know why, but they do tend to be going from 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.680 nine am Eastern time to ride around four pm Eastern time, 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.639 so with some breaks in between. But yes, we do 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:05.760 expect the prosecution to continue to focus on this state 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:09.480 of Lindsey Clancy's mental health. They are trying to prove 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:13.800 that she was perfectly sane when she committed those murders, 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:18.400 that she was not suffering from postpartum psychosis. The defense 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.159 says exactly the opposite, and so far it seems like 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:25.199 they've done a pretty dang good job of documenting or 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:30.560 showing that Lindsay Clancy herself had been documenting her struggles 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:36.800 and was actively and consistently seeking help for her problem. 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:38.760 And she did not get it. And here we all are, 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:42.160 but robes is what is it? Net Look, it's never 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.399 going to be used. I don't think we're going to 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:48.000 have an overwhelming number of women all of a sudden 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:49.600 killing their kids and walking in and said, I got 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:53.160 a psychosists. I don't think so. But this is something 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:56.680 about how the state, and in this case we're talking 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.400 about Massachusetts, but the government is viewing women in their 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:04.959 severe troubles that are possible after birth ropes. And I 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:09.639 think Robes is all female prosecutors again, just it still 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:12.760 plays that reads in the room a little bit here. Robes, Absolutely, 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:18.360 you have these women dismissing a woman this ill. It's 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.600 we're not debating about how ill she was, it's documented, 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:26.679 and they're saying, nope, bro, just pay attention, folks to 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:29.320 how we are thinking about and viewing women and the 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.520 troubles they have down the road. They're being dismissive the 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:34.560 way a lot of women get dismissed when they have problems. 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:36.919 And I wonder with twelve women on that jury, and 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:38.359 we don't know how it's going to end up with 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.439 the alternates, but twelve women and six men, as a woman, 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.320 I don't I feel like, especially any woman who's given birth, 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.040 any woman who knows how hard it is to be 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.320 a mom, but also knows how much moms love their kids, 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.040 what it would take for a mom to do this 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.160 that reads. I think for a lot of women there's 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:58.680 real sympathy and even empathy in some moments for women 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:00.800 towards it's. 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:03.560 Just amazing to not see any of that shown towards 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:07.800 Lindsey Clancy in this courtroom. Again, they brought the case 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:09.600 you want to give them and say they're doing it 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:11.760 in a good faith. Robe you want to, but this 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:15.520 is striking to see. I've never heard of a woman 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:18.800 this ill having to do with giving birth rope she is, 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.359 it is, she's sick. That woman. What was at the 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:23.280 Yates right? 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:24.920 Andrew Yates the same thing. 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:29.600 These are ill ill people that the state is dismissing robe. 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:33.000 This is extreme illness by this woman, and still the 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:34.720 States saying nope, she faked it. 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:35.680 Woo. 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.959 Well, we will see what the state has to say today, 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.800 day six of testimony in the Lindsay Clancy trial. We 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.600 know we will be watching and we will pass along 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:47.800 everything we witness to you all. We always appreciate you listening. 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:49.840 I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ. 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:51.280 Holmes. We'll talk soon.