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Speaker 3: You brought a local.

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Speaker 4: Y'all brought who's really crazy?

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Speaker 2: So who's really crazy? That's the question? You put this together, sir,

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Speaker 2: You're right about that, and I sometimes I'll question that.

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Speaker 2: But and when it gets weird, all right, we got

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Speaker 2: a lot to get into today. Uh it is our

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Speaker 2: Wednesday show. So today we start turning the page.

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Speaker 4: Go pack cool Oh, get out of here.

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Speaker 6: That's what they say.

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Speaker 7: I don't care. Yeah, but not here. We don't say

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Speaker 7: that here.

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Speaker 6: Though he were talking about the Packers.

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Speaker 7: I know his history.

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Speaker 3: I never worked.

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Speaker 2: It's actually kind of shocking you don't have on the

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Speaker 2: ring today.

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Speaker 6: I thought, all this, we put people walking by to

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Speaker 6: look at us, and you ain't even got the Super

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Speaker 6: Bowl ring on right now?

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Speaker 7: Brow what happened? You never take that thing off?

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Speaker 3: I am going to talk.

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Speaker 2: About We got a lot talk about on the Packers,

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Speaker 2: but today is the less interesting part because tomorrow will

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Speaker 2: talk about the factors of defense and Michael Parsons, but

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Speaker 2: today we will focus on the offense and what we

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Speaker 2: think of that offense and how the Cowboys possibly can

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Speaker 2: match up with what we've seen so far. Before we

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Speaker 2: get into that, though, I wanted to start with a

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Speaker 2: little a little bit of a conversation around Ron Bland yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Jerry Jones said, I don't want to get over our

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Speaker 2: skis here. It's good possibility we'll have him. So the

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Speaker 2: expectation is they will likely have him this weekend. The

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Speaker 2: big question is how much does he help for a

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Speaker 2: defense that has been struggling mightily against every offense they played,

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Speaker 2: even the offenses that are considered bad throughout the league.

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Speaker 2: How much does having Bland back.

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Speaker 3: Help if he can play his zone and pass guys

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Speaker 3: along and jam At Atlanta scrimmage, the right direction you know,

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Speaker 3: j is jam jam if he's playing zone.

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Speaker 6: It's an ideal that works. It's proven over time to work. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: we know a square jam sink and go with We.

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Speaker 3: We know Bland as a covering nickel guy. But right

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Speaker 3: when we're up in here, there's gonna be some zone looks.

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Speaker 3: And based on how the film has been looking Brian

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Speaker 3: brought us out, maybe they'll keep Ready where he's at,

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Speaker 3: and maybe they'll make some changes as far as outside goes.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm not gonna make any bold statements there.

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Speaker 3: It just did.

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Speaker 2: Are you saying that they should consider the possibility of

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Speaker 2: out or taking Trayvon Digs out and putting Bland in

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Speaker 3: If flu is gonna change and do some things and

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Speaker 3: fold to the pressure of social media and cowboys break, then.

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Speaker 7: It's folding to the pressure of what you see on tape.

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Speaker 3: Fair, then hold on to what.

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Speaker 2: You just launch.

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Speaker 7: Sorry, like I mean.

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Speaker 6: It was almost like she should have bar with that.

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Speaker 6: It was like a cigarette head out of the corner

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Speaker 2: Sorry, how do you say in fuego like yeah, wow, Okay,

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Speaker 3: So if if if Felus is gonna fold to the

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Speaker 3: might benefit you to hold on to what you have.

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Speaker 3: You know, Kyrie Elam is probably gonna play a little

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Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna move Diggs Diggs.

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Speaker 2: And when you say moving around, your men move him

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Speaker 3: Off the field, keep Ready, because Ready seems to understand

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Speaker 3: somewhat what he's doing somewhat. But the big blinking light

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Speaker 3: has been Elam. I would say Diggs Diggs has made

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Speaker 3: given his his his his own problems. He's he's created

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Speaker 3: issues for himself. I don't think Elam fits this zone

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Speaker 3: but just this zone thing, I think Bland will probably

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Speaker 6: Can I interest you guys in playing any dime this week?

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Speaker 6: And that's the six defensive backs? And I say this

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Speaker 6: I'm if you're gonna let me, if you're gonna let

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Speaker 6: Craft and we're going to get into it is a problem.

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Speaker 6: It's going to be a problem for you. And like

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Speaker 6: I said, we'll get into it. But the one thing

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Speaker 6: that's six defensive backs. It's giving him a little bit

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Speaker 6: But if you're gonna, if you're going to play with Bland,

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Speaker 6: digs and Stewart. Maybe I could find a role for

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny right before you said that, as

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Speaker 2: end because we've seen we've seen in past years, not

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Speaker 6: Oh Jordan.

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Speaker 2: Whether they'll get a cornerback and they'll say, Okay, we

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Speaker 2: We're gonna put this guy on him all day and

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Speaker 6: About make a contested catch. Now, the problem you're gonna

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Speaker 6: get into with this offense is they will play twelve

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Speaker 6: all of a sudden they act like they're blocking and

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Speaker 6: the quarterback has been able to find these it's it's delay,

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Speaker 6: it's delay, it's delay, and then it's gone. And that's

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Speaker 6: you know, how long are you going to be able

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Speaker 3: If that's the case, how much does he.

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Speaker 5: Help a g.

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Speaker 7: Right now?

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Speaker 8: I'm like, do something different. It's just coffee from the coffee.

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Speaker 3: Man, you face pointing fingers, irish cream.

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Speaker 2: We need to have a conversation because you.

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Speaker 8: Guys are mentioning about players, and the more I think

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Speaker 8: about it individually, I still think you you have a

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Speaker 8: lot of talented players on defense. You still, yes, you do?

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Speaker 8: You do because you've seen it. Bryan Man, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I was like that guy that But.

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Speaker 8: When you start naming different guys and I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 6: Talented right now, ag, that's the problem.

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Speaker 3: But that's what you're about to tell your scheme is

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Speaker 3: that fault though?

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Speaker 7: Please, I get it.

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Speaker 8: My point is they're here, they're okay, let me look

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Speaker 7: Then okay, that's what we're supposed to do.

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Speaker 6: I follow direction, nobody else.

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Speaker 8: He just likes interrupting all the time. Okay, Ryan, you

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Speaker 8: you are a scout. You you you'll.

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Speaker 2: Are just the team. You're still scouting.

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Speaker 8: The thing is, again, these players are here for a reason,

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Speaker 8: and I'm saying, yes, the level goes down at certain

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Speaker 8: right scheme. Now, I am not a coach for a reason.

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Speaker 8: I don't study, I don't get paid that much.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: At all the levels of it, because to me, oftentimes

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Speaker 8: it seems very simple and like, oh yeah, sure, just

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Speaker 8: change scheme and do this and that. Obviously it's a

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Speaker 8: get to understanding really well what it is that they're

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Speaker 8: best at to in order to try to position them

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Speaker 8: the best way possible, because right now, there's no reason

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Speaker 8: especially on the secondary and have them looking around like

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Speaker 8: what is going on and being confused and they're being

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Speaker 7: That should never be the issue.

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Speaker 2: I think that's all fair and I agree with it,

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Speaker 2: it's actually a theory heat throughout several years ago when

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Speaker 2: Tony Romo. Uh and he used the term he called

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Speaker 2: him a diaper, and what he meant by that was.

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Speaker 3: You remember that. But the point of it was he is.

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Speaker 2: The reason why he's a diaper is because he covers

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Speaker 2: all the blank right, It's like all the things that

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Speaker 2: do wonder, I do wonder if some of these players

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Speaker 2: we're seeing now is Michael was the diaper. And because

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Speaker 2: if that affected opposing offense is so much so they

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Speaker 2: I do think that there are some limitations to Micah's game,

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Speaker 8: But this is what I don't understand because and I

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Speaker 8: But at the same time, there's no reason why you

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Speaker 3: You should be able to be able to beat Braxon Jones.

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Speaker 2: And if they can get that kind of pressure, if that,

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Speaker 2: I don't at this point. I don't even care about

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Speaker 3: The world conversation with somebody.

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Speaker 6: Words that haunt people that work in this organization. It's

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Speaker 6: But those are the words. Those are the words that

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Speaker 2: And that's going to be about how is he going

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Speaker 2: going to do it with the front four. There's nothing

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Speaker 6: You can't play ninety eight percent zone and continue to

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Speaker 6: rush for men. Can't do it. You cannot do it.

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Speaker 6: They're one of the if you look at the metrics

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Speaker 6: When you're Russell Wilson and you can just stand there

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Speaker 2: And what's interesting about that, Brian is I think you know,

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Speaker 2: We'll just run it down the throats.

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Speaker 3: Right running?

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Speaker 6: I hate running the ball. Yeah, I would rather quick

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Speaker 2: I love the fact they fixed the pass the run defense.

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Speaker 2: Uh now, they got to figure you.

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Speaker 7: When are we giving TVs away? We're still waiting for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're working on it still.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, boy's gonna be.

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Speaker 2: Mind your business.

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Speaker 3: We don't do this.

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Speaker 7: I just don't like season fifty one.

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Speaker 2: And they're coming, They're coming. We're working on it.

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Speaker 2: These things don't move quick.

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Speaker 2: They don't move quick.

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Speaker 3: We gotta we gotta work. I bet them TVs ain't

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Speaker 2: Giving away from sacks and interceptions.

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Speaker 2: All right, Let's jump in Green Baby offense versus Dallas defense.

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Speaker 2: Brian which got bot?

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Speaker 6: You helped me with this one a little bit, though,

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Speaker 6: If you can quarterback can be pressured here?

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Speaker 6: Are you good enough to pressure them? I know we

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Speaker 6: oblique injury. There's questions whether he will play this week.

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Speaker 6: My doubt is that he won't. But this is an

445
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 6: offensive line that you can attack and you I feel

446
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 6: like though their offensive line, when you look at it,

447
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 6: the tackles are really where it's at for the number

448
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 6: of pressures you can get and potentially you're gonna tell

449
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,679
Speaker 6: me that these that you don't trust. You don't trust

450
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Speaker 6: these edges to get home against these tackles, aren't you So.

451
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Speaker 3: Just watching the film, Brian, The Packers do have a

452
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,160
Speaker 3: good tackle, really good tackleing Zach Tom but he's.

453
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Speaker 6: Hurt, he's got the ol blaque.

454
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Speaker 3: Then you got Walker Walker solid, Walker will give up

455
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Speaker 3: pressures and all this kind of stuff. But Brian, where

456
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Speaker 3: I'm at with it, yeah, is I don't care who

457
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Speaker 3: they got playing tackle. I don't think the Cowboys are

458
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 3: going to be able to get pressure against them, so

459
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Speaker 3: I'm not even looking to evaluate it all that much.

460
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,719
Speaker 3: I even look down at the practice squad. They got

461
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Speaker 3: a character named Brent Banks. I think nobody at this

462
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 3: table's ever heard of them. If Brent Banks played right tackle,

463
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Speaker 3: brow he had a perfect I still he'll He'll make

464
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 3: the damn Pro Bowl in one game, Brian. So moving

465
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Speaker 3: forward until the Cowboys proved me different, and maybe a

466
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Speaker 3: clowny situation that comes in, and or or White Coton

467
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 3: maybe had conversation with these guys like, hey man, we

468
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 3: gotta win early. Maybe let's have a counter, let's just

469
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 3: work on this getting off the ball. Things like that,

470
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Speaker 3: I don't see any hope winning on the outside, Brian,

471
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Speaker 3: As of now, I do have hope winning on the inside,

472
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Speaker 3: though winning on the interior. Kenny Clark got a sack

473
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Speaker 3: play he should have to just my own personal opinion.

474
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Speaker 3: And Os is a guy that can generate pressure, getting

475
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Speaker 3: a feld whooping like that. What they've been doing in

476
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Speaker 3: Zach Tom's injury, Brian is they got a rookie Belton.

477
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Speaker 3: We was watching a film with him kind of slow

478
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Speaker 3: for I thought he was a guard. Whatever they got

479
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Speaker 3: Jordan Morgan, who's a guard that I thought it was

480
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 3: a tackle and is what it is. But he's moved

481
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Speaker 3: around left tackle, right tackle, left guard. Last week versus

482
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Speaker 3: the Browns, they play both those guys at right tackle.

483
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Speaker 3: What's gonna happen more than likely, Brian, Aaron Banks their

484
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 3: first left guard. He's got a growing situation. Growings just

485
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 3: don't come and go away all that fast. So if

486
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Speaker 3: I had to assume Jordan Morgan, who gives up pressure,

487
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Speaker 3: will be playing left guard and their back of rookie

488
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 3: Belton will be playing right tackle, I ain't looking at Belton.

489
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Speaker 3: I'm looking at the two guards here, which is Jordan

490
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Speaker 3: Morgan and Sean Ryan, the right guard.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the thing with Ryan, I kind of

492
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Speaker 6: see a bigger, slow footed guy though, And maybe what

493
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Speaker 6: you're talking about and I do like what you're doing

494
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 6: here is the playing with the quickness with the Solomon Thomas,

495
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Speaker 6: playing with osa inside quick and then try and take

496
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Speaker 6: advantage of some of these guys that aren't moving so well.

497
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Speaker 6: I think the center Elton Jenkins, I think that he

498
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 6: could be a guy that kind of you could kind

499
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Speaker 6: of uh, you can kind of move around with him,

500
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Speaker 6: get the edge on him. I don't think he's the best,

501
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 6: one of the strongest guys. He's kind of a long, linear,

502
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Speaker 6: tall center and when and I know the Browns are

503
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Speaker 6: a different crew when it comes to their front. They

504
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Speaker 6: don't even want to say the name. Yeah, we don't

505
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Speaker 6: have none of those that the Browns are. That Browns

506
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Speaker 6: are elite when it comes to rushing the passer in

507
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Speaker 6: my opinion. But you watch the commanders and stuff and

508
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 6: the guys that we know about the Dorn's Armstrongs. Interesting

509
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Speaker 6: with the pressure though, that comes the sacks that they've

510
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Speaker 6: been able to get on this quarterback. Of the seven sacks,

511
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Speaker 6: the giving up four of them come on second down,

512
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Speaker 6: So there's something kind of going on. Maybe you gotta

513
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Speaker 6: find a way, you know, not just the third down pressure,

514
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Speaker 6: but where does the pressure come from on those on

515
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Speaker 6: the on second down?

516
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Speaker 3: Maybe just maybe Brian, what the what the Packers like

517
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Speaker 3: to do is they'll take shots on second down right,

518
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Speaker 3: then go for maybe something shorter on third, and they'll

519
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 3: just go for it on fourth. So just game like

520
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 3: game flow, maybe that's that's what happens. But I have

521
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Speaker 3: seen coverage sex make Jordan Love hold ball a little bit.

522
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Speaker 3: So if we're gonna go out there, and when I

523
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Speaker 3: say we, I mean the Cowboys. I'm a fan. The

524
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Speaker 3: Cowboy's gonna go out there and play the little zone

525
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Speaker 3: that they've been running, then Jordan Love is probably gonna

526
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Speaker 3: light you up a little bit. But if you mix

527
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Speaker 3: up those looks and try to mix them up a

528
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 3: little bit, Jordan will hold the ball. Now, Jordan, Jordan

529
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Speaker 3: Love can run.

530
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Speaker 6: He can't run.

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Speaker 3: He can run like these past quarterbacks that we have,

532
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Speaker 3: but you maybe not even have to worry about him

533
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Speaker 3: running because of the DB's or whatever. Right, So maybe

534
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Speaker 3: if anything changes, like if you do put Jordan Love

535
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Speaker 3: in this hurt situation right to where Okay, I can't

536
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Speaker 3: throw the football right, maybe I have to run then

537
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 3: maybe that's where you see him running around a little bit. Uh,

538
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 3: Brian brought us, but I've also seen gap exchanges. Yeah, stunts,

539
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,239
Speaker 3: stunt slants up front that can kind of miss these

540
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Speaker 3: guys up a little bit. And it could be Jenkins

541
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Speaker 3: not having much continuity with Sean Ryan, right, Jordan Morgan.

542
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Speaker 6: Because of all the moving around they've had to do.

543
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Speaker 3: Miss Wolf so uh, you know, and honestly, it's it's

544
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 3: not even about them, it's more so about us. Like

545
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Speaker 3: if Jordan Morgan went out there and played right tackle,

546
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Speaker 3: how to have great things say about Jordan Morgan, But

547
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Speaker 3: the fact that he's playing left guard, I think that's

548
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 3: just a better match up for us.

549
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Speaker 6: Bro Yeah, I think to me too, the pressure this

550
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 6: affects this quarterback. And because you will see him he

551
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 6: doesn't always set his feet. He will he will throw

552
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Speaker 6: off his back foot, he will miss throws. He's missed

553
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Speaker 6: some really some open throws down the field. Uh. But

554
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Speaker 6: I've also watched him and all the completions he has

555
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 6: made some throws. David said, well, that was a pretty

556
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 6: pretty good shot right there. But when his feet aren't set,

557
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 6: He's not gonna be as accurate. Ball's gonna go a

558
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 6: little high on him. He's he's missed some he hasn't

559
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Speaker 6: been as accurate on some crossing routes and stuff. The

560
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 6: key to this thing again with him is don't let

561
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Speaker 6: him run, keep him in the pocket, keep him playing backwards,

562
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Speaker 6: but kind of make sure that he's throwing off balance.

563
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Speaker 6: That's where you have really the best opportunity to make

564
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Speaker 6: plays on the sky.

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Speaker 3: Brian, did you get a feeling that the Packers start

566
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Speaker 3: really fast early? Yeah, and maybe in the middle.

567
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Speaker 6: Of the game they'll kind of Yeah, there's is if

568
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Speaker 6: you talk to And one of the reasons why I

569
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 6: got was with a coach last night was talking about

570
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Speaker 6: some stuff about playing the Packers. Is that they were

571
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Speaker 6: telling me, and not only this coach, but last week

572
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Speaker 6: I was asking about the Packers. They feel like that

573
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Speaker 6: if you could get through their first fifteen, if you

574
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Speaker 6: could weather the storm of their first fifteen. And this guy,

575
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Speaker 6: Matt Lafleur, I think is a really is a good

576
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Speaker 6: play caller. But there's but there's there's teams around the

577
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 6: league that said, listen, find a way to kind of

578
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Speaker 6: contain don't let Green Bay jump up on you. You know,

579
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Speaker 6: their first fifteen are really, really, really good, and then

580
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Speaker 6: if you can weather that, then you can kind of

581
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Speaker 6: get into a flow with them and play They're going

582
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Speaker 6: to have, you know, with their situation at wide receiver.

583
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Speaker 6: You know, I think that to me that when you

584
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 6: look at Dobbs, Golden Wicks. We really liked Golden coming

585
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 6: out of Matthew Golden coming out of Texas last year.

586
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 6: He was one of these guys, but he really hasn't

587
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 6: stepped up like we thought he was going to be.

588
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 6: We've seen Abuca from Tampa step up and make big.

589
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 6: We've seen you know, the guy Carolina step up and

590
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 6: play well. Golden struggled a little bit, and I think

591
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 6: this offense struggles a little bit at the wide receiver spot.

592
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Speaker 6: So how do you cover that? How do you deal

593
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 6: with the tight ends? They're going to be key this week?

594
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Speaker 3: Yeah, bron I didn't talk to any coaches, but I

595
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 3: talked to some YouTube friends of mine. I mean, that's

596
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: that's that's about the same thing. Yes, I got a

597
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 3: gang of like folks shoutside will still this guy and

598
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 3: all them guys, yea, all them cares, but missing Jayden

599
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: Reid is like her huge for them. As far as

600
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 3: the Cowboys go, You've just dealt with with teams that

601
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 3: got like they got wide receiver right and if you

602
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: count one Dale Robinson, they all got sort of a

603
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 3: duo at wide receiver, Dobbs, Golden and Wicks. They kind

604
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: of play in the context of offense. However, you know,

605
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 3: whatever it is that you give them, whether it be

606
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Speaker 3: d Ball down on the slant, then that guy would

607
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 3: be the guy that will go off. But they don't

608
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 3: have just one guy that will just whoop you this

609
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 3: week like the like the past few weeks. So maybe

610
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 3: that's where your corners get a smaller advantage. I will say.

611
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Speaker 6: Smaller advantage to I agree with you on that. The

612
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 6: thing that the thing that I that I do worry

613
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 6: about is the tight ends here I do worry about.

614
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Speaker 6: With Tucker Kraft, I think this is going to be

615
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 6: and even him John Fitzpatrick, they're going to get in

616
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 6: that twelve personnel I was talking about it. They're going

617
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 6: to act like that, they're going to help and block.

618
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Speaker 6: I wonder how much they're really do they respect Dallas's

619
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Speaker 6: pass rush at all? Maybe not, you know, because we've

620
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Speaker 6: seen teams start to double team the defensive tackles now

621
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Speaker 6: and make sure that they take care and then single

622
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 6: block the outside. So the Packers like to play with

623
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Speaker 6: the tight end end line on the line of scrimmage,

624
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 6: kind of check check, check, and then release, and then

625
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 6: that gives Jordan Lewis mean, Jordan Love said, Jordan Lewis

626
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 6: way back in then Jordan Love, uh the uh, the

627
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 6: opportunity to check it down and then they've had pretty

628
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 6: good run after the catches with their tight end. So

629
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Speaker 6: how you deal with the with given the putt pressure

630
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 6: on the quarterback, but also dealing with this tight end.

631
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Speaker 6: That's why I mentioned maybe playing some dime stuff against

632
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 6: these guys with the six defensive backs, make Love have

633
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 6: to kind of read, clog and cover, make the back

634
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 6: end kind of muddy for him, but then be able

635
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 6: to run with this tight end with a with a

636
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 6: corner that is more apt to be able to cover Brian.

637
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Speaker 3: You think maybe that's what Quinn tried to do a

638
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: couple of years ago, try to go light in the

639
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: box there, but the Cowboys just didn't have the d

640
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 3: line to do, didn't have it. Yeah, if you had

641
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 3: some you would think maybe like like Clark makes it

642
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 3: a little if you had.

643
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Speaker 6: If you had Clark, if you had Clark, you could play.

644
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 6: If you had Clark, you could play a ton of

645
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 6: dime because now you're protecting your smaller linebacker safety guy

646
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 6: for sure.

647
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, the you guys listening to flush when you talk

648
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: about Josh Jacobs, is he a guy that I saw

649
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: in two of the three games he's been held He

650
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 2: and the Packers, they're off. Their whole rushing has been

651
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: held under one hundred yards. And I was against Detroit

652
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: and Cleveland. As you said, Clearan the whole different beasts.

653
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: That defense is just really really tough to play against Detroit.

654
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Speaker 3: It's a good defense.

655
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it's like impossible, But what do you

656
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Speaker 2: say about their running game and particularly Josh Jacobs.

657
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Speaker 3: Jacobs is formidable. He's not sain Kwan Barkley, but he's

658
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 3: a good formidable back. I kind of look at him

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Speaker 3: as like a volume runner, Like the more you give

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Speaker 3: it to him and the more he gets going and

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Speaker 3: he wears you down at the end. I think he's

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Speaker 3: really dangerous in the red zone, like like that's where

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Speaker 3: a lot of his touchdowns come from. But just as

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Speaker 3: far as can you hold him in the you know,

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Speaker 3: like if you're in the twenties and thirties like that,

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Speaker 3: I think you can do a pretty decent job. But

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Speaker 3: he's really a he's really a bulldozer down in the

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Speaker 3: red zone.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, where Dallas has been really good this year

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Speaker 6: is as of last year, they were never making contact

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Speaker 6: behind the line of scrimmature at the line of scripts.

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Speaker 6: Right now, I think teams are averaging like a half

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Speaker 6: a yard against him before contact. So that's telling me

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Speaker 6: right there that Dallas is doing a really good job

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Speaker 6: of getting off those blocks and then getting there and

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Speaker 6: making it. And the thing with Jacobs and these backs,

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Speaker 6: you know, you stop these guys at the line of scrimmature,

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Speaker 6: behind the line of scrimmage, you're gonna have a lot

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Speaker 6: of negative plays, or you're gonna have plays for no gain.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if the Packers could physically line up

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Speaker 6: and beat you up the way that that that you're

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Speaker 6: gonna have to Dallas is doing a really good job

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Speaker 6: up front with the with the inside guys, with their

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Speaker 6: run techniques, with their fits, and not allowing teams to

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Speaker 6: have a lot of success. If you lucked with the Bears.

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Speaker 6: That where the Bears had some success was that long

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Speaker 6: nineteen play drive. All of a sudden it started running

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Speaker 6: the ball. They wore Dallas down. I think that's I

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Speaker 6: don't know if the if the Packers could be committed enough.

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Speaker 6: Like I said, throwing the ball against the Cowboys is

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Speaker 6: the best is the best avenue for attack running the

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Speaker 6: ball If you're telling me that Dallas is only giving

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Speaker 6: up and when when with Clark on the field, they're

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Speaker 6: giving up three yards of carry. No, I'm not running

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Speaker 6: the ball when I know I could get nine yards

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Speaker 6: a shot throwing against Digs or somebody else in the

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Speaker 6: back end. That's that's where this game is going to hinge.

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Speaker 2: Dallas defense and I want to I want to target

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Speaker 2: in on the linebacker position. Cowboys this offseason they decided,

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Speaker 2: y'all silly. They decided that they were going to go

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Speaker 2: out and get a little more aggressive than they typically

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Speaker 2: are in free agency, particularly at the linebacker position. They

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Speaker 2: bring in Jack Sanborn and Kenneth Murray. Let's start first

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Speaker 2: with those two guys. How have they performed? And I

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Speaker 2: want you to give it a good three to sixty view,

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Speaker 2: not just what they've done in past defense, because I

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Speaker 2: think I know what you're going to say there, but

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Speaker 2: as run defenders as well. How good have they been

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Speaker 2: or not here in these first three weeks.

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Speaker 3: We can start with Murray and then we'll go to Sanborne.

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Speaker 3: I say so, Murray, he either sees it really well,

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Speaker 3: or he doesn't see it at all. I think he

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Speaker 3: relies more on feel. I think sometimes he'll get caught gambling,

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Speaker 3: just reading whatever's in front of or reading whatever's behind him.

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Speaker 3: But he can get downhill very fast, and I think

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Speaker 3: he could be he could be violent once he gets there.

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Speaker 3: It's just that the timing it up when it gets

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Speaker 3: there and the gap fits that's really given him give

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Speaker 3: him issues. He had a really good Week two versus

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Speaker 3: the Giants, and I think I don't know what what

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Speaker 3: was the jump from week one? His Week one was terrible,

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Speaker 3: Week two very very good. Week three was you know

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Speaker 3: here there, but just Kennan Murray right now. He's not

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Speaker 3: the worst of the guys you have, but I think

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Speaker 3: you could benefit from better play there.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely, I expected a lot more when we thought

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Speaker 8: of when we talked about his acquisition, acquisition, aquisition, sure,

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Speaker 8: thank you, thank you, than when they brought when they

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Speaker 8: brought him in that we discussed it here on the show.

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Speaker 8: I really thought he was going to be a more

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Speaker 8: impactful player. But then I go back to when you

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Speaker 8: look at everything as a whole, you see that it's

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Speaker 8: not just one player.

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Speaker 7: Struggling. So that's where I fall back in it.

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Speaker 8: I think he could do better, and some of those

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Speaker 8: mistakes that he has been making, it makes me question, is.

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Speaker 16: It just the collectiveness of the voice that you're hearing

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Speaker 16: and following and all these things, because in my head,

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Speaker 16: it just doesn't make sense that as a collective everyone

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Speaker 16: seems to be struggling currently.

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Speaker 8: And then I know we're going to talk about Sanborn.

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Speaker 8: This is bad on my part with him. I keep

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Speaker 8: thinking he's a rookie. Like in my head when I

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Speaker 8: think of him, I think of him as someone who's

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Speaker 8: this is the first year here, and I say, well,

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Speaker 8: he's not doing that bad, and then I remember, wait,

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Speaker 8: he's a veteran.

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Speaker 7: He has been what is it four years or five

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Speaker 7: something like that.

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Speaker 8: While so it's just my evaluation on him varies because

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Speaker 8: for some reason, I don't know what it is with him.

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Speaker 8: My brain defaults into thinking he's a rookie when he

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Speaker 8: is definitely not. And sometimes I try to give him

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Speaker 8: grace that sense, but then I remember, he should be

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Speaker 8: performing so much better and contributing so much more to

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Speaker 8: this defense, and they're not.

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Speaker 7: They're not. And we keep thinking and Jerry.

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Speaker 8: Jones talked about this on the fan a few weeks

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Speaker 8: ago of like, well, we got help on the way,

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Speaker 8: who's the help? Overshown he's coming back, But then you're

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Speaker 8: counting on that way down in the season and you're

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Speaker 8: counting on him. He did recover very well when he

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Speaker 8: came back from that previous injury, but again, you cannot

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Speaker 8: count and depend on how a player is going to

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Speaker 8: come back from an injury and say they're gonna come

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Speaker 8: be the savior on the defense.

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Speaker 7: It's just not the right way to go.

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Speaker 8: So what do you do at the linebacker position with

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Speaker 8: the guys that you currently have on the.

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Speaker 6: Miss Kendricks, missah, I miss I missed that ability. I

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Speaker 6: love them, the downhill ability, the ability to finish. I mean,

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Speaker 6: you know, Kendricks was not going to guess, and you're right,

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Speaker 6: I think that happens. You know, we've talked about this.

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Speaker 6: There was a play that they swift ran to the

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Speaker 6: outside and Fatch and I broke this play down on

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Speaker 6: our our podcast. Is that Sam Born is running to

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Speaker 6: the edge and then he goes right instead of staying

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Speaker 6: wider to make the play. He takes an angle right

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Speaker 6: into the blocker and you're like going, wait a minute,

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Speaker 6: the balls going to the outside. So there's some times

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Speaker 6: where these these two linebackers have read things correctly and

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Speaker 6: then other times where they just look like it's like whoa,

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Speaker 6: it's happening really really fast. And they are two veteran guys.

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Speaker 6: It shouldn't be that problem.

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Speaker 2: With a limited action. How do you think Dmoon, Clark

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Speaker 2: and Mari Slia if I.

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Speaker 3: Have performed, Clark's just kind of been blending in with

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Speaker 3: the rest of them. Clark is clearly more athletic, but

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Speaker 3: Clark would get lost as well. So maybe it's just

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Speaker 3: a do you put him at a different spot. You know,

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Speaker 3: he's mostly like that that third guy, like that Sam

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Speaker 3: guy that rotates in and out. Maybe if he's the wheel,

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00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 3: he's a little bit closer. Maybe the angle of it

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Speaker 3: kind of helps him because he's closer to the action.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if that'll work for him. Marist not

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Speaker 3: playing as much, but you know, one of the bigger

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Speaker 3: runs that was giving up was kind of him not

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Speaker 3: holding the edge, go wide, getting a feel, you know.

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Speaker 3: So it the linebackers that you have right now, they're

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Speaker 3: not great. I think it's very odd. I've never been

871
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Speaker 3: in this situation before. Your D line was so good

872
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 3: that the run defense versus runs. There's people saying, well,

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Speaker 3: the run defense is good because they're they're throwing no

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Speaker 3: versus actual design runs. Your defense is stopping it, and

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Speaker 3: Kenner Clark is a huge part of that, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean. So maybe you have a little bit

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00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 3: of room to make changes at linebacker as opposed to

878
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: just trying to blow the whole thing up. I asked

879
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: Brian this earlier. I would love to see what the

880
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 3: rookie does, James. I would love to just see him.

881
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: He may get lost, but everybody else getting lost. At

882
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: least he's athletic. At least he can fly around and

883
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 3: run around a little bit. So and he's developing, I

884
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 3: said on social media. I said it here and you

885
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: know me and people been fussing about the online. I

886
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 3: would take Donovan Wilson because what you got to lose.

887
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: I would take Donovan Wilson away from one hut and

888
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 3: I put him right there will linebacker and he's he's smaller,

889
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 3: but you have a D line that con mitigate nonsense

890
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: ed ed linebacker. I would let him use his instincts

891
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 3: and his and his violence and his natural run fit stuff.

892
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 3: I would let him go down there and lineup at

893
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: will see what happens.

894
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 8: Brian, where is that LSU linebacker that you had in

895
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 8: the Monk Clark.

896
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 3: We all thought he.

897
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 6: Was gonna be up physically in l SHU. Yeah, he

898
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 6: had just he had a really good training camp. Yeah,

899
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 6: they are struggling. It's so strange how we went into

900
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 6: training camp kind of feeling like the linebackers are going

901
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 6: to be fine, the defensive tackles are going to be awful,

902
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 6: and the secondary is can be fine. It's it's this,

903
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 6: this thing is totally flipped to where your defensive tackles

904
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 6: clearly are the strength of the defense, your safeties in

905
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 6: your corners have really, really, really struggled, and your linebackers

906
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 6: are probably the weakest link of your group. It is

907
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 6: it is that that's the recipe for bad defense overall. Well,

908
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 6: it really is.

909
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 8: That's the frustrating part because I remember when we were

910
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 8: we would do this show with David Hellman on the show,

911
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 8: and we would talk about the moon Clark and him

912
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 8: coming into with the team, recovering and the expect expectations

913
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 8: around him as a linebacker, and it's something that got

914
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 8: you very, very excited, and then we're sitting here years

915
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 8: out and you're still again waits. It's hard to pint

916
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 8: out one player when everybody else is playing bad. But

917
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 8: at the same time, you would think that individually there's

918
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 8: something that you can bring to the game, uh, based

919
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 8: on your talent, your sole talent as a player. And

920
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 8: with him, it's like I'm still waiting for that breakthrough

921
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 8: to happen, Like I haven't given given hope, like lost

922
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 8: hope with him. Yeah, but we're still waiting for that

923
00:42:58,760 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 8: breakthrough moment.

924
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 6: You know, it's funny, I'm going to say this, maybe

925
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 6: if you play Mrs Leafel, he'll make the same mistakes

926
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 6: because there's times when Marsleyfel, even the small plays he

927
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 6: does play, there are times like fox mentionins he's out

928
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 6: of position and that over aggressive and so so you know,

929
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 6: if you play him forty to fifty snaps, is he

930
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 6: going to make five or six plays? We were going, WHOA,

931
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 6: we can't have that this group overall, man, that needs

932
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 6: to be a total rehaul or they need overshown to

933
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 6: come back as quickly as possible.

934
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 5: That's big.

935
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 3: I would rather be fast with mental lapses right then,

936
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 3: I see it perfectly, and I just can't get.

937
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 6: And they can't get there. Yeah, they're struggling with that

938
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 6: right now.

939
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 2: Real quick for me. In the show, I actually did

940
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 2: get a message on I think it was on Twitter

941
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 2: from NC and he asked the question, did the DBS

942
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: look this bad in training camp? And I think, Brian,

943
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: you just hit it. I think we all saw something

944
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: very different in training As a matter of fact, there

945
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: were a lot of days in training camp where his

946
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: defense looked really good. They were taking the ball away,

947
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 2: they were stripping balls, they were making interceptions, they were

948
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: getting they looked really good during certain parts of training camp,

949
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: even better than the offense. So there was nothing that

950
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: we saw, nothing that I saw speak for myself, nothing

951
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: I saw during training camp that suggested this defense would

952
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,479
Speaker 2: be this bad. I mean, even if I thought they'd

953
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: have some games where they might be outmatched because they

954
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: were playing really good offenses, there was nothing whatsoever that

955
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: you could see in training camp that made you think

956
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: that they would have this type of struggle. Which also

957
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: is another reason why when I talk about training camp,

958
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 2: I talk about training camp is just training camp. There's

959
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: a lot of different It's a lot different. Sometimes when

960
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: you get in the regular season and it's real, real

961
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: action going on out there, it can change things a

962
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: little bit. But but there was never any indication I saw.

963
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone really saw about this defense having

964
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: these kinds of struggles back in Oxtar.

965
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 3: I think in camp they were trying stuff, and part

966
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: of trying stuff was some press man, some blisses, you know,

967
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 3: some things like that, and I think it looked good.

968
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 3: I was praising Kyrie Elm. Yeah, even straight. And then

969
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: you get to you get to the game and that

970
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 3: stat Brian bros. That'll do it to you.

971
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

972
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: All right, we appreciate you, guys, Jonges. We'll be back tomorrow.

973
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: We'll go to the other side of the ball. We'll

974
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: talk about these Green Bay defense.

975
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 13: Uh.

976
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: One of the questions I'll have for these guys is

977
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: really around Michael Parsons. We talk about him on the

978
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 2: outside and what he can do these tackles. I wonder

979
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 2: in the middle too. You got some new bodies in there,

980
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: and we know Michael moves around. That's something that I

981
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 2: think to keep keep an eye on. We'll talk about

982
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: that tomorrow. Till then, for Vachi Lombardi. Brian brought us

983
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 2: inn Abugarcia. I'm Derek Kielton. This has been The Break

984
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,720
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985
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986
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