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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Almost Famous Podcasts. It's been here

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Speaker 2: today and I am joined by the Golden Bachelorette herself,

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Speaker 2: Joan Vassos. We to recap the latest episode of The

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Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor. Joan to get us started, though, I want

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Speaker 2: to ask, how's chalk? He recently said, you hadn't seen

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Speaker 2: each other in about a month.

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Speaker 3: That was crazy, So okay, so we got we started.

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Speaker 3: You know, we got engaged in August of last year,

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Speaker 3: and we've always been really good about seeing each other

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Speaker 3: every like two to three weeks at the most was

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Speaker 3: like our biggest time of part and then all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden, twice this summer, we just had really conflicting schedules.

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Speaker 3: And also, I mean part of the problem is he

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Speaker 3: has a business in Wichita and he kind of has

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Speaker 3: to be there. So we had two instances where we

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Speaker 3: didn't see each other for a whole month, and that

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Speaker 3: was one of those, was like last week, but we

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Speaker 3: got together or he suggested that maybe we meet in

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Speaker 3: New York because that's like kind of our happy place

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Speaker 3: and it's like when we go when I go to Wichita,

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Speaker 3: or he comes to Maryland like our families all around

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Speaker 3: us and we don't get to spend like super duper

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Speaker 3: quality time together like we want. So we always round

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Speaker 3: a vue in New York City. So we did that

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Speaker 3: and we saw a show, We went to Great Dinners,

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Speaker 3: and we walked in Central Park and just had a

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Speaker 3: great relaxing time. It was a real good, like what

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Speaker 3: our relationship needed.

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Speaker 2: When were you there in New York last.

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Speaker 3: Friday Saturday Sunday? So just a couple days ago?

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Speaker 2: You were there when I was there with Chris Harrison

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Speaker 2: and Wells Adams for the City Cruises.

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Speaker 3: I know, I was on the train on the way

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Speaker 3: up there and I was listening to your podcast with

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Speaker 3: Ashley and you said you were going to be doing that.

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Speaker 3: You were there on Sunday, right, Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: How was it?

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Speaker 2: It was amazing?

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Speaker 1: It went.

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Speaker 2: So we have another one in San Diego December sixth.

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Speaker 2: It was a blast. We had fun, the best time.

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Speaker 2: It was nothing but reminiscing and telling stories. The cool

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Speaker 2: part is our listeners are going to be able to actually

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Speaker 2: hear New York event because we recorded it with iHeart,

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Speaker 2: so it's going to be on our stream here soon, Joan.

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Speaker 2: It's funny. I was just I just got off the

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Speaker 2: phone with the sweetest, nicest United Airlines rep and she

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Speaker 2: recognized my voice from this show and she's, you know,

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Speaker 2: she got to tell me about her love with the

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Speaker 2: Bachelor and the Golden Bachelor and all Bachelor things related.

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Speaker 2: And I was telling her, Hey, I get to jump

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Speaker 2: on a recording soon and talk about this Golden Bachelor,

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Speaker 2: and she was so excited.

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Speaker 3: What is she What does she think about him? I

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Speaker 3: love to hear people's perspective.

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Speaker 2: I didn't get an inside glance, but I did get

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Speaker 2: insight from our shows that we were doing live in Boston,

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Speaker 2: New York. I think that people look at Mel and

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Speaker 2: they say, a very handsome guy. He seems kind. But

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Speaker 2: for whatever reason in and we could probably you know,

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Speaker 2: name a few, the audience just isn't connecting with it

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Speaker 2: I think I honestly, I think Mel is just it's

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Speaker 2: it's uncommon for a guy like him not to be

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Speaker 2: able to find somebody, and I think they want that

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Speaker 2: like more heartfelt second chance at love. This feels like

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Speaker 3: I agree with you on that, like that we think, oh,

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Speaker 3: he doesn't need this show to find love, like he

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Speaker 3: probably has women all over him. But I also feel

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Speaker 3: episode four and I feel like by now I should

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Speaker 3: know something about him. I still know nothing. He just

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Speaker 3: that's going to be a problem.

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Speaker 2: I told Ashley this last week. I said, what we

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Speaker 2: need from Mel, what Mel needs for himself, and I

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Speaker 2: don't mean this to he needs a breakdown, Like he

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Speaker 2: because people were cautious going into the season based on

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Speaker 2: the comments that Mel had made to really invest into

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Speaker 2: this season. And now we're we're actually going to be

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Speaker 2: talking about episode four today. But we're pretty far into

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Speaker 2: this thing for the Golden Season, and we don't have

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Speaker 2: that moment, like you said, where we know him. I

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Speaker 2: he listens to the ladies talk. They tell him how

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Speaker 2: That means so much to me. We don't know him

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Speaker 3: We don't and we're gonna run out of time. And

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Speaker 3: the thing is, I think he's probably being coached by producers, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you've been on it, I've been on it.

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Speaker 3: You know, they know what you need to be doing.

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Speaker 3: And I feel like he's being coached and he doesn't

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Speaker 3: just isn't going to give that to us. Because you know,

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Speaker 3: we're getting pretty far along into this. He we're down

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Speaker 3: to only nine women, okay, he started out with twenty four,

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Speaker 3: things are going to get serious really soon. We're going

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Speaker 3: we know nothing about mel I'm just afraid he doesn't

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Speaker 2: I would also say, there's a couple of things, and

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Speaker 2: I'm glad we're talking about this with you. I actually

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Speaker 2: don't think we know the women either. I think we

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Speaker 2: know pieces of them. But you know, when you were

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Speaker 2: on the Golden Bachelor, there are storylines from the women,

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Speaker 2: maybe their storylines of loss, maybe their storylines of hope.

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Speaker 2: Maybe there's storylines of getting through something difficult like illness

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Speaker 2: And I want to leave space for you to comment

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Speaker 2: on this. This feels very much like a Bachelor season

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Speaker 2: it was heartfelt, it was beautiful. It was one of

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Speaker 3: Well, I feel like it feels very Bachelor, like you said,

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Speaker 3: but I think part of the way the reason it

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Speaker 3: And this group, like you said, really hasn't done that

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Speaker 3: because of that. It just I feel like we're lacking,

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Speaker 3: We're lacking all of those backstories. Like you said, I

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Speaker 3: maybe Debbie, and I feel like I am rooting for

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Speaker 2: It's missing it right now for me, and I'm frustrated

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Speaker 2: by that because I love the Golden franchise. I think

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Speaker 2: Let's jump into this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk about that villain, because.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot there a lot to say. We're

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Speaker 2: recapping episode four. We kind of start this whole thing

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Speaker 2: here's where we'll start. Joan Peg gets the one on

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Speaker 2: It's the start a little foreshadowing I think of what's

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Speaker 2: Nicole rubbing people the wrong way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and she started this rubbing people the wrong way,

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Speaker 3: like already it's happened in other episodes. She just is

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Speaker 3: I think she's so very self un unself aware, like

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Speaker 3: after she says these crazy statements, and this was one

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Speaker 2: For mel Why do you how do you feel about

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Speaker 2: Do you like, how does that make you feel watching

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Speaker 2: it back now knowing you've been a part of all

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's funny. So I don't like it. So I

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Speaker 3: think the thing that people like about Golden Bachelor and

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Speaker 3: that over and over and over again. So it has

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Speaker 3: what people are looking for when they go to that place.

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Speaker 3: And now that place has been like kind of uprooted

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Speaker 3: back to being pure again. And I'm worried once drama

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Speaker 3: And I hope that that is not the case, because

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Speaker 3: I feel like we're going to lose that audience and

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Speaker 3: we're already worried about that. We're already worried about the

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, there was great momentum coming out

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Speaker 2: I think it was at a tipping point of really

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Speaker 2: in saying it was pure, you know. The Bachelor, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, it goes back to your word purity. It

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Speaker 2: Let's go to this. Peg and Mel date interesting couple

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Speaker 3: It's just like wholesome fun and that's what we needed

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Speaker 3: It was so blatant and so she just held nothing back.

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Speaker 3: of the room, like with her like weird comments.

435
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, Like if you have one kind of person

436
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 2: speaking this way and doing this type of thing. It

437
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 2: does change the whole vibe of the house. I went

438
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 2: back to work after my time as a bachelor. Yeah,

439
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 2: for two years. I sold software again until other things

440
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 2: kind of came on and my world and I could

441
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 2: leave my job for two years. A week after filming stopped,

442
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 2: I was back in my office working and traveling for

443
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: a software company. I think this messaging of whoever's telling

444
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 2: them this, that this influencing is the path and it's

445
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: going to be handed to you and you're going to

446
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 2: get paid so much money to post some pictures. I

447
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: just think it needs to go away because it is

448
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 2: hurting the show. It especially will hurt the Golden franchise. Yeah,

449
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 2: so you know, we do get in the group date,

450
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 2: before we get into the Lemon Bar scandal. Before we

451
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 2: do I do there was a line that I want

452
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 2: to ask you about.

453
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 3: I know. Yeah, I'm still just like kind of comprehend it.

454
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: To be honest, Joan, you are are You are a

455
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 2: beautiful human, attractive in every way, personality, the physical appearance.

456
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 2: And there's so many other women on your season that

457
00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: were just beautiful people. But Nicole as the last cast,

458
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: was not that good looking or something along those lines.

459
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, wasn't so great looking or something like that. I

460
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,719
Speaker 3: actually stopped it and rewound it. Couldn't believe somebody coud

461
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 3: actually say that. So and I'm like, Yep, she sure

462
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 3: as heck said that. And I don't even know what

463
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 3: to say that. I mean, first of all, like you said,

464
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 3: there are such beautiful women on the Golden Bachelor season,

465
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 3: and at this point, we've gotten to know so many

466
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 3: of them, you know, we went through a whole season,

467
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 3: but that we've seen them after the season, and like

468
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 3: what their lives look like and what good people they are.

469
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 3: And I just don't think she is in touch with reality.

470
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 3: I just think she is so full of herself and

471
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 3: she is so I almost feel like like her whole

472
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 3: world is this show right now, and all of our

473
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 3: happiness and all of her status is involved in this show,

474
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 3: and so she needs to make it really big and

475
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 3: really special in her mind and to do that. And

476
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 3: she's also all about, like very very very in tune

477
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 3: with the looks and the way people look. And so

478
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, having a bunch of beautiful

479
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 3: men and the women on the show are really beautiful.

480
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: I agree with her, but I don't think they're any

481
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 3: more beautiful than the people that were on Goldenbaucher. I

482
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 3: think everybody's different. Everybody is beautiful in their own way,

483
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 3: and she just needs this to be bigger in that way.

484
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 2: Also, Yeah, I completely agree with you. I was surprised

485
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 2: by that comment because it is it just feels one

486
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: more critical than we're used to even seeing on The Bachelor,

487
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 2: and then two I just don't I don't know if

488
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 2: I agreed, And so it feels like a very aggressive

489
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: comment to make while you know you're on a show

490
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 2: that this will probably be shown on to national television,

491
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: especially if somehow you're dating America. I just don't think

492
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 2: it's going to go over Well. No, well, we are

493
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: going to get into the group date. The group date

494
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: card says sexy at every age. It's gonna be a

495
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 2: photo shoot with People magazine. Joan, you've been on the show,

496
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: You've done these to shoots. How Ashley and myself both

497
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: have different and but yet similar takes on a photo

498
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 2: shoot date. They seem to have popped up on every

499
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 2: Golden Season so far? Season Yep, what do you think

500
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 2: of them? Did it feel this? Do you remember yours?

501
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 2: Does it feel fun? Does it bring people together, Like,

502
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: just walk us through how it feels to be on

503
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 2: the Golden Show and be told you're going on a

504
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: photo shoot.

505
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 3: So on Golden Bachelor, Like, so first of all, let's

506
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 3: just say, like, as women, being on a photo shoot,

507
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 3: like dressing up and like trying to pretender to something

508
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 3: else is what we've done all of our lives. Like

509
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: you you like, for you know, your third or fourth Christmas,

510
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: you're given a box full of costumes that you wear

511
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 3: around the house all day with your friends, and you know,

512
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 3: it's what we do. So honestly, I think it's a

513
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 3: really good date group date because women feel kind of comfortable,

514
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 3: and you got to think about other group dates that

515
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 3: they've had so far. They've been cheerleaders, kind of uncomfortable.

516
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 3: They have had to do a comedy routine, also a

517
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 3: little hard in front of a bunch of people. So

518
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 3: as far as a group date, I feel like this

519
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: is comfortable for the women and we may get more

520
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: out of them because they're not so nervous. They are

521
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: going to put on like a fun outfit and have

522
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 3: your picture taken and get close to mel. What you

523
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 3: don't get is a lot of conversation in fact, you

524
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: get like no conversation. Honestly, you just get mel looking good.

525
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 3: He's a handsome guy. He has a shirt off on

526
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 3: a lot of the a lot of this date he

527
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 3: has his shirt off and he's looks he's looking great.

528
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 3: And the women are looking really fun and pretty in

529
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 3: their costumes and they look like they're having a great time.

530
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 3: You don't get a lot of conversation, but you do.

531
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 3: I feel like it like really cute pictures and everybody

532
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 3: having fun and it looks like it's fun. But once again,

533
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 3: what are you talking during these dates?

534
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: You have your picture taken, and it's something talking is

535
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,959
Speaker 2: something we're missing this season. I think we started saying

536
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: off the show saying, hey, we're missing getting to know people,

537
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: but we do get to know somebody that I think

538
00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: you and I both find not only interesting but very

539
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: intriguing in a really one of those characters this season

540
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: that I'd love to even learn more about. Debbie. She

541
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 2: gets emotional during this day because, as she's mentioned in

542
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: the past, she's never been engaged, she's never been married.

543
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 3: I think she has been engaged.

544
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 2: She has been engaged.

545
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: You think, okay, yeah, yeah, she has been engaged, But

546
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: she's never been married okay, yep, but never worn a

547
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: wedding dress.

548
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: This is very special. In fact, this I feel like

549
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 2: could have been her Golden Bachelor atte moment where this

550
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 2: person who is beautiful, who is open to sharing her

551
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: feelings and emotions, who's excited about the possibility of love,

552
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: opens up about that and this is the date that

553
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: does it. It's you know what, though, it's interesting now

554
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: that we're talking about this. I remember during Gary's season

555
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: and they had the photo shoot. I think that's when Nancy,

556
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: Nancy really you know, opened up and started sharing. So

557
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: there is something about this wedding dress deal. It's a

558
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: little bit mean because you're for anybody's been already in

559
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: the past or lost to spouse or maybe been divorced.

560
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: It is a reminder, yep of what was I don't

561
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 2: know if I love that aspect to it, but it

562
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: has caused the contestants to open up, and I think

563
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: that is going to be very beneficial, especially this season.

564
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: So in Gary season, Nancy opened up because she was

565
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 3: super emotional about she said, I haven't had a wedding

566
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: dress on since I was married, and she had lost

567
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: her husband and he had died of colon cancer, so

568
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: you know, it was really emotional for her. I see

569
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: Debbie getting really emotional, and I also get that for

570
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 3: her because she has never had this experience. And like

571
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: most people by the age, by the time you're in

572
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 3: your sixties, you've been married. Maybe it didn't work out,

573
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: maybe you're divorce or maybe your husband has passed away

574
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: like mine did. But you have actually had the time

575
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: to be married. You've spent years and years and years

576
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: with your person. And she's never had that. And it

577
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: makes me really worried for her because in her interview

578
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 3: after that, she's I was she said, you know, it

579
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 3: so special being in this wedding dress, and I was

580
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 3: ready for him to get down on one knee right there.

581
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: And I feel like, oh, I'm going to kill him

582
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 3: if he breaks her heart. I'm afraid, you know. I

583
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: know she's one of nine stale and I'm really really

584
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 3: worried about her heart right now because I think she

585
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: is maybe the most open of everybody. Yeah, of all

586
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: the contestants, I think she is most of it. I

587
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 3: almost feel like she's most deserving. I want this so

588
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: badly for her to be a couple, to be married,

589
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 3: she's wanted it for so long.

590
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, it points to if it doesn't work out

591
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: with her in Mel, how beautiful would it be if

592
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: she got her own chance and we could watch Like

593
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: that's the type of people I want to watch.

594
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: I totally agree with you.

595
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: The show is people. I'm like, I beg of you

596
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: to find a love and I beg of you to

597
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: let me watch it because it would be so beautiful.

598
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love that idea. I love that idea.

599
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 3: So I hope she. I hope this works out for

600
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: her because I can see that she's really invested in Mel,

601
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: and she really likes them and I actually they're really

602
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 3: cute together. But if it doesn't, I love your idea. Okay,

603
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: So I'm going to hold out hope that if she

604
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 3: doesn't get it, I'm not going to be heartbroken for her,

605
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: because maybe she'll get to be the golden beout trite.

606
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: Let's put it out there, let's get people voting for it.

607
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 3: I'm with you.

608
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: This day kind of goes on and on, and then

609
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: the photographer says he saw a lot of chemistry with

610
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: Mel and Cindy. He wants to take them for more

611
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: pictures and so we see the women watching Mel and

612
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: Cindy roll around the beach. The conversation I want to

613
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: have around this that I think is interesting. Ashley and

614
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: myself talked about it last week. As a lead of

615
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: a show, it was always very important to me to

616
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: try to not show affection in front of the other

617
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: castmates or other contestants win at all possible. It just

618
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: felt mean, it felt like it would increase jealousy or envy.

619
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: Mel doesn't seem to have this. He seems to be

620
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: diving full force into kissing and holding on whoever is

621
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: near him in front of anybody else.

622
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 3: I mean we saw it in the pool, right, I

623
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: mean literally in front of everybody else.

624
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: What do you think of that?

625
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 3: I feel the same way as you do about it.

626
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 3: First of all, I not only feel about that way

627
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: about it in front of everybody else watching, and it

628
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 3: like creating conflict and creating you know, jealous as the person,

629
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: like even as Cindy, I wouldn't have wanted it because

630
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 3: I'd want the other girls to like me. But also

631
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: it seems a little voyeuristic to me, Like I don't

632
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 3: think that as like me watching the TV, like I

633
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 3: really want to see that kind of intimate moment. I

634
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: don't want to see anything that intimate. Like, you know,

635
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: kisses are okay, rolling on top of each other is

636
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: a little too much for me. I think it's especially

637
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: with the.

638
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: Golden I'm with you. I just it feels again either

639
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: pushing in the lines of being the Bachelor's show, or

640
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: it also even during the Bachelor show, would feel maybe

641
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: i'd say inappropriate, just with the respect of the other

642
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: people involved. Speaking of inappropriate, this date starts out really

643
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: like beautiful, and they're wearing dresses and all this stuff,

644
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: and then we end with people wearing towels. I don't

645
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: exactly remember or understand. Why how did we go from

646
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: dresses to towels?

647
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 3: I don't know. Well, so the whole beach theme is okay.

648
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: I don't know how poor Carol ended up with just

649
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 3: a towel. And I'm looking at the rack of clothes

650
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: now she's standing there. She's like, all I have is

651
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: a towel, but yet there is a rack still with

652
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 3: clothes on it. So I'm not sure how that happened.

653
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: That seems maybe it was a little engineered and she

654
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: got stuck with the towel and like she didn't seem

655
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 3: like she really liked the idea, and she felt uncomfortable,

656
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: and I felt uncomfortable for her, and I think maybe

657
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: she really didn't have clothes on. Unruth. I don't really know,

658
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: but I think that's like kind of brave. You're running

659
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: around Malibu Beach with only a towel on. But she

660
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 3: embraced it at the end, which I'm surprised. She said,

661
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 3: I went from hey, being the tawgirl to loving being

662
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: the tow girl. I'm not sure why that transition happened.

663
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 3: I think she just finally accepted it and got into it.

664
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: But I don't know what were the producers thinking. Why

665
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 3: did she I don't even know the theme of that date.

666
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: They all had different stuff on.

667
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was just literally, I don't know

668
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: if there was an idea. It was like, here's a

669
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: photo shoot, and what can we individually pick out for

670
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: each person to make them feel the most uncomfortable or

671
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: to bring out emotion. Carol does end up with the

672
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: group day Rose from this day, so it does work

673
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 2: out for her, But we also see the first time

674
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: mel is kind of exposed to any drama that's happening

675
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 2: in the house. Robin brings up to Mel during this that, hey,

676
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 2: she doesn't think everybody there is being authentic to the

677
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: experience and to the pursuit of love that this show

678
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: is about. Mel pretty quickly dismisses this conversation and says, no,

679
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: I think they are As a lead Joan, when somebody

680
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: would come to you and say something like this, do

681
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 2: you listen, how do you respond? What do you take

682
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: from it?

683
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: So I'm thinking about people that have done this in

684
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: the past, and this happens all the time, especially on

685
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: just regular Bachelor Bacherette seasons. Happens pretty often, and I

686
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 3: feel like the lead is always very conflicted about not

687
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 3: necessarily wanting to believe them, and sometimes the messenger becomes

688
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: the person their manner and not the intended person that

689
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 3: maybe they should be wary of. So all of a sudden,

690
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: the messenger becomes the bad guy. And I think that's

691
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 3: what happened in this one. Also, that he didn't really

692
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: want to believe it, and even if she had told

693
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 3: him that it was Nicole, I think he's not thinking

694
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 3: with his head in his heart right now, to be honest,

695
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: I'm hoping he starts thinking with the right body parts

696
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 3: but I think at this time he's not, and he

697
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 3: would have dismissed it anyway, even if she said the

698
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: name as a lead. I think I would want to know,

699
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: but you just never know what people's motives are. Sure,

700
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 3: so I'm not I'm not sure that you want to

701
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 3: dive into that, and maybe you need to discover things yourself.

702
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: And I'm hoping that Mel discovers this himself. I mean,

703
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 3: she's so out there with her statements. Eventually she's going

704
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: to say something to him. Yeah, I just can't imagine

705
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 3: that she's going to hide it from him for much longer.

706
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: I think it was such a fear of mine that

707
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: there would be people there with all interior motives that

708
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 2: if somebody would have said it to me and they did,

709
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: I think I just would have asked a few questions.

710
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: I'm with you on Hey, I'm not going to take

711
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: this as the only truth, but I want to be

712
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: able to investigate it, or at least to be knowledgeable

713
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 2: of it, and if anything, maybe confront some of the

714
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: people that were brought up and just say, hey, like,

715
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: you know the simple question. You know, I only need

716
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: to tell them who told me? But why are you here?

717
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 2: Like what excites you about this experience and about you know,

718
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: what you're going through, just to get nuggets a little

719
00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: bit of information, you know. I think, yes, you're right

720
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 2: if the person that says it oftentimes is the one

721
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 2: that gets in trouble mm hmm. Very rarely do we

722
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: see that go the other direction. Yeah, but I would

723
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: have asked a few more questions. I don't think I

724
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: just would have dismissed it and said no, no, no,

725
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: I know everything.

726
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you think that Robin would have told him

727
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 3: the name if he had asked?

728
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: Yes, I think she wanted to so bad.

729
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 3: I know, I wonder why he didn't ask. I kept

730
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 3: thinking he was going to ask, like, who are you

731
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 3: talking about? So I don't think he wanted to know. Yeah,

732
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: just he would.

733
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 2: Have asked the name, which points to one of two

734
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 2: things to me. Either he just doesn't care, like at all.

735
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: He hasn't not invested into this at all. There's no

736
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: emotion behind those the intention or like whatever. Yeah, that's fine,

737
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: I'm having a good time. We're doing it like I

738
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: haven't cried yet, I haven't really had a hard time yet.

739
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 2: I'm going to keep doing this this way. Or he

740
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: doesn't know to ask the question me. He doesn't know.

741
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: Maybe he hasn't watched any other seasons. He doesn't even

742
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: know what the path forward would look like if he

743
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: did find out.

744
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 3: But wouldn't you know, Like it was so easy to

745
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: just say. It's almost surprised that he didn't say, well,

746
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: who are you talking about? Yeah, so it's I think

747
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 3: it's the what you said in the beginning. He doesn't care. Ye,

748
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: you must not really care.

749
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: And that's concerning for me. Again. I think the best

750
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: thing for him and this season would be a moment

751
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: of vulnerability that he displays for us to go, yeah,

752
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: you're in this man, like you care, you're in it,

753
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: you're invested, which I haven't seen it yet, but either.

754
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: One of the big storylines of this episode that just

755
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 2: fell short, quite honestly, was the women are back at

756
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: the mansion the next day and they're preparing for this tailgate.

757
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: They're making Mele's favorite dessert, which is lemon bars. We

758
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: see Nicole Larius sharing that if this was her idea

759
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: and she's doing all the work, we see her in

760
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: the hot tub with a mask on, and the women going, yeah,

761
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: Nicole just sat out there with a mask on. And

762
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: watched things. They make these lemon bars, and then during

763
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: the tailgate, Nicole brings them to Mel and says that

764
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 2: she made these for him, and she talks about how

765
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: she made him and that she made him with a

766
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: thin crust because it's the way he likes it. It

767
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: fell short to me because this wasn't this wasn't a

768
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 2: small act. In my opinion, These women invested time and

769
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: effort and it could have been all of them. They

770
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: all kissed him one night together. Why not bring the

771
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: limbars to them together and just share, Hey, we're all

772
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: thinking about you. But she decides to do it herself.

773
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: Yet we see no follow up from it. That's kind

774
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: of where it ends, and so the story was never concluded,

775
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: it was never brought to service. This I mean, Joan,

776
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: you've been a part of the show. This feels like

777
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: the easiest producer moment ever. Hey do you know that

778
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: Nicole brought Mel those limen bars that you guys all

779
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: made today? And that's that's where they leave it. Like

780
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 2: they tell the one girl that they know, like Robin,

781
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: who's going to be already upset and say something about it,

782
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: but we see nothing.

783
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 3: It's very odd that You're right that they just kind

784
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: of let it hang like it was done and he

785
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 3: was like, oh, they're good lemon bars, and then it

786
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: was kind of over. And I like, you know, so

787
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 3: I don't know the producers this year at all, because

788
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: they you know, you know, the franchise kind of had

789
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 3: an upheople last year and there's all different people. But

790
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 3: I feel the same way about you, Like they just

791
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 3: missed this whole opportunity to you know, have so they're

792
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: allowing this weird drama with Nicole, like with her just

793
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 3: playing it out in her head with everybody else. But

794
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 3: when there is like real drama, like this is actually

795
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 3: something that they should be mad at her about, they

796
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 3: don't ever get the opportunity to do that to like

797
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 3: say no, she didn't make it, Like she literally went

798
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: and sat in the hot tub, and like specifically the crush,

799
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 3: Like you're talking about the crust. They show like Jerry

800
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 3: and somebody else like actually rolling out the crust. Yeah,

801
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 3: and Nicole in the hot tub, like specifically the crust

802
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: the thing that I made it because it's extra thin,

803
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 3: and I know that's how you like it, Like she

804
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 3: really didn't do that.

805
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: This could be lemon bar Gate, just like we've had

806
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 2: shrimp Gate in the past, and this could be an

807
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: iconic moment for the show. And it also could have

808
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: been a moment in the show that's memorable that maybe

809
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: made Mel take a step into something uncomfortable and confront something.

810
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: But we don't see it. We see a small little

811
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: comment from Cindy about how she took credit, but it

812
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 2: feels like it just comes and goes. Yeah, it's such

813
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 2: a big, long story.

814
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 3: And again it makes me think, is it Bachelor trying

815
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 3: to keep her around because she's creating controversy and so

816
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: if he discovers that she's lying about this, is he

817
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 3: then going to send her home and not give her

818
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 3: a rose this week?

819
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that's probably the only outcome. I think

820
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: you're right, I think. But then again, it makes me

821
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: ask the question, why do they show it unless they

822
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: want the audience to maybe be upset. Yeah, but the

823
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: audience is going to be upset already. It's really what

824
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: I think the audience wants to see, is Mel do

825
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: something that feels human and have to respond to something

826
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 2: that feels uncomfortable. Mmm, yeah, we haven't seen yet.

827
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he does, and he doesn't get the chance

828
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: to do that, and it would have been a perfect

829
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 3: time for him to maybe get rid of Nicole because

830
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: like we are all seen from the outside that that

831
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: needs to happen, and that he's not thinking with his

832
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: head in his heart, he's thinking with other things. It's

833
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 3: all physical with him right now with her, Like one

834
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 3: is he ever going to like get in touch with

835
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 3: reality and what she really is like because she's only

836
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: showing good side of her. He's not seeing all the

837
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: stuff we're seeing.

838
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. It's just I think it's a

839
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: little bit of caring, and I think it's a little

840
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: bit of awareness mm hmm. And I think it's a

841
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 2: little bit of the the women in the house, you know,

842
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: combating some of this. But he's gotten rid of the

843
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: combatis at this point Robin was trying to say something

844
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: to him. Yet we see at the Rose ceremony that

845
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: Peg and car already have roses. Debbie, Cindy, Cheryl and

846
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: Nicole get roses, which means Roxanne, Robin and Jerry are

847
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: going home. We see Jerry kind of be the focal

848
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: point of the exits. Mm hmm.

849
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 3: I feel like like they never developed any farther like

850
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 3: first date rose, or like whatever, the first impression rose.

851
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 3: She got that. I loved that she got that because

852
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 3: she was kind of a like an unlikely person to me.

853
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 3: I thought I didn't think she was going to get it.

854
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 3: I thought people someone that made a bigger entrance usually

855
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 3: gets that. But he, you know, felt something about her.

856
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 3: It just never grew. I didn't feel like it ever

857
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 3: really grew and continued on this group date. I didn't

858
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 3: feel like there was any chemistry between them on this date.

859
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 3: So I feel like it never grew. But I love

860
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 3: that he did say, like that wasn't a mistake. I

861
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: really had a connection with you that first night, and

862
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 3: it's okay if it doesn't grow, you know, it is

863
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 3: what it is. There are other people that he felt

864
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 3: a bigger connection with. But I felt like she went

865
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: home happy, like she had her moment and she grew

866
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: from it. And I think that she's now opened the

867
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: door to dating and you know, like having a different

868
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 3: life that she didn't have before she came. This happened

869
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 3: to me, I mean, same kind of thing happened to me.

870
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 3: I went into Golden Boucher not really ready to date

871
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 3: and not really open to the whole thing. I just

872
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 3: kind of did it on a whim and thought, well,

873
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna, you know, throw caution to the wind

874
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 3: and take a leap of faith and see how this works.

875
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: And I came out a completely different person. And I

876
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 3: feel like that's happened to Jerry.

877
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 2: Also, Yeah, I agree. I think, yeah, she will only

878
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: be better yep for this experience, and it's going to

879
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: be a good story to share. It'll be fun maybe

880
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: to see her be one of the goldens in Paradise.

881
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: If they bring Paradise back, that would be fun. I know.

882
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: They all jumped in the pool with their clothes on,

883
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: and then the rose ceremony really funny, really cute m h.

884
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 2: And then we see the previews for next week. There

885
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: looks like they're at some spiritual retreat. We can also

886
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: see dates at the Griffith Observatory, so it looks like

887
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: they're still in Los Angeles during this next episode mm hm.

888
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: And we see some kissing, we see Debbie telling Mel

889
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: she's falling in love with him, and then we kind

890
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: of see the big moment where there's an suv that

891
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: pulls up. It looks like to one of their dates

892
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: that maybe is a group date or they're on a

893
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: hike of some kind. Any insight joan into what you

894
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: think that could be.

895
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 3: So as far as like a spiritual retreat, I feel

896
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 3: like it's going to be really out of Mel's comfort zone.

897
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: I just think that's going to be weird. And I

898
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: feel like Bacher loves to do these spiritual things and

899
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 3: they're always so uncomfortable. I was so uncomfortable at the

900
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 3: one on my season. I can't remember, did you do

901
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 3: a spirit like one of those yoga or one of

902
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 3: those weird things. It's a new thing. Huh. Yeah, they're uncomfortable.

903
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 3: I can't see Meil being really great at a spiritual

904
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 3: kind of retreat kind of thing, and then that a

905
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: suv pulls up. Does he finally figure out Nicole? I

906
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe all of this is leading up to that.

907
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I feel like Cheryl is I

908
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 3: feel like she's acting a little bit.

909
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: Like over dramatizing something.

910
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit. So yeah, I don't know. What

911
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 3: do you think it is? I can't I can't think

912
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 3: other than I think Nicole, because maybe they're leading up

913
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 3: to this and we're going to be happy when she

914
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 3: gets sent home. Yeah maybe, yeah.

915
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 2: I mean it just you know, if it was a

916
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: medical emergency, would have seeing ems. So it's a black car,

917
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 2: which means we're seeing an exit of some type. I

918
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: actually thought it was somebody coming to the show. To me,

919
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: I thought it was somebody arriving. But then I think

920
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 2: the words are saying she left.

921
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 3: Yeah again her saying I can't believe she's gone.

922
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So I'm curious. It does feel like a

923
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 2: big moment during this season that they're going to tease,

924
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: probably for a few weeks here. What it does point

925
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 2: me to is that Cheryl might be around a while. Yeah,

926
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: we'll see Joan. Any other comments that we haven't covered

927
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: when it comes to this season so far on The

928
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor, Hmm, I think.

929
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 3: We covered Nicole pretty well. I feel like I am

930
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: missing some dates that need to happen, Like I feel

931
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 3: like Carol really needs a date. I love that she

932
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 3: gets the group date Rose, so I hope we see

933
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 3: more of her. Cheryl's had a date. Cindy needs a date.

934
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 3: Looks like she gets one though, right we see her

935
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 3: kind of kissing him, so I feel like Cindy gets one.

936
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 3: Debbie's getting great Nicole's kind of gotten one. PEG's gotten one.

937
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 3: So I feel like, you know, I need Carol to

938
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 3: have something. I'm hoping we see more from her. I

939
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: really really like her.

940
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. That's a great comment in something

941
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: to state. Tune for next episodes. Joan, it is always

942
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: a gift to have you in our presence. You are

943
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: incredible at this. It is so fun to break this

944
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 2: down with you. Thank you for answering all the questions

945
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 2: of the behind the scenes of The Golden but also

946
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: giving your input into what we're seeing currently on the Goldens.

947
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: We wish you the best. We hope that you and

948
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: Chop can do many more New York City tours together.

949
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: And next time, if we're there at the same time,

950
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: please message us and tell us you're there. I will

951
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: if it's not like a, hey, we haven't seen each

952
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: other in a couple months, we just need our own

953
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 2: time kind of trip.

954
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 3: We would have loved to see you. I will definitely

955
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 3: do that next time.

956
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: Joan, You're the best. Until next time, I've been, Ben,

957
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: I've been, Joan, see you later.

958
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: I'll follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts

959
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,279
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