WEBVTT - I Might Be The Problem With Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:04.520 Hi, Catherine, Hi Chelsea. Hi, I'm very exciting announcement. Guys. 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:07.560 My new special is coming out on Netflix in December, 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:12.800 two days after Christmas, so I'm very excited. It's called Revolution, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:16.360 and it is my next This is the tour that 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.200 I've been on, the Vaccinated and Horny Tour, which was 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:21.640 just the tour name. The special name is called Revolution, 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:24.760 and you'll understand why once you see it. I love 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:29.160 that it's like an evolution from Evolution. It's my last 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.680 special was Evolution, and this special is Revolution, and the 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:37.560 next special will be Devolution. Amazing. I'm so excited to 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:40.320 see it. Thank you. I'm so excited. It's I love it. 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:42.159 I just I'm so happy with it. I never am 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:44.840 able to watch myself do things. It's just very hard 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:46.800 to watch myself. But I think I've gotten to a 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:48.360 place in my life where I accept it and I 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:50.960 don't annoy the ship out of myself anymore. You know. Well, 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.120 it's just I haven't seen the special, but the show 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.480 is very cute. It's very sweet and charming, and I 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.600 think everybody's going, well, that's what everyone thinks of when 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:00.840 they think of me. It's cute, sweet and charming. So 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:02.520 there you go. You hit the nail on the head 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:06.160 once again. Exactly, very on brand, very on brand, Chelsea. 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:10.679 It is Thanksgiving Day. Oh my goodness, Happy Thanksgiving everybody. 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.919 I am currently in San Francisco tending to my sister 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:18.120 who had a surgical procedure for her back, and so 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:21.400 I am playing nurse, even though I am not, you know, 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.320 that great at it, although I think she's pretty impressed 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.800 with my performance so far or my professionalism since I 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.640 have so much experience in the medical field and caring 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.680 for others. Yes, and you can prescribe her drugs, yes, exactly, 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:35.319 and then I could take her drugs, so it works 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:40.200 as a beautiful revolution trades. Yeah. Well, I am in 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:43.720 Chicago with my husband's family. We usually don't go home 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:45.880 for Thanksgiving, but we're doing it. That we did it 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.440 this year. Oh well, okay, and that's exciting. It's all 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.560 going swimmingly. I bet, I bet it is going swimmy. 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.800 We'll save that conversation for off the end, just because 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:59.000 I'm aware of some of your previous trips. Yes, we 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:03.880 have only unfortunately met my twin nephews, who are now 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.840 almost two. We've only met them once. Because of pandemic, 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.960 and then every time we've been home they've had like hand, 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.720 foot and mouth disease. They went from that straight into 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.600 COVID and then like norovirus. Every time we're a home, 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:24.560 foot in mouth, monkey pox, all the things. Babies, no bueno. Yeah, 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.359 but now they're walking, so it's all over. Oh my god, 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.520 they're not even walking it and they've had all these diseases. 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:34.400 I know, it's just all it's all happening. So I'm 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.840 excited to spend some time with them and snuggle them 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:40.120 and pick up something. Yeah, yeah, definitely get ready. You 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.840 should wear a mask over all of your holes. You 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:45.400 don't want to get an ear infection. If you know 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.000 what I'm talking about, I don't know what I do 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:54.040 about it. I'm excited to explore. Okay, so our guests today, 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:58.000 we have two guests. They are co stars of the 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:00.840 show The Office. I guess I should say they were 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:02.720 co stars of the show The Office and now there 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.720 but there are real life bfs and they are now 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:09.040 co hosts of the hit podcast Office Ladies and now 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:12.160 co authors because their new book called The Office Bfs 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:16.320 is out now. And their names are Angela Kinsey and 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:21.560 Jenni Fisher. Hi, girls, Hi, Sorry, I've been sitting here 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.600 and then I realized that my video was off. Oh 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.760 did you already do the interview without us? I did 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.359 the whole thing. It was great. Okay, well let's wrap 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:32.560 it up. Then it was a great review. Thanks. It 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:39.560 was so great talking with you. Hi, Hi girls, girls, Hello, hello, hello, 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:44.280 coming coming to us live from Angela's in her garage. Jenna, 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:48.240 where are you. I am in a closet that I 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:52.640 transformed into a podcasting space. I brought a plant in 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:57.160 it looks you good. Bring in some oxygen. Yes, I 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:01.840 have a hummingbird painting. So you know, really, we're just 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.960 we're just sexy and it's all happening with our plans 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:08.839 and our words. Very sexual. That was the first thing 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:11.760 that I was going to say. I know, we get 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.640 that a lot, and your background art is very sexual 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.760 as well as the person who has to worry about 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:20.960 the sound quality. I mean, I'm so happy to hear 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.840 your in small spaces with soft things like closets and 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.960 you know, girls, I'm having a podcast room built in 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:32.920 my new house, which won't be ready until so I 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.880 keep coming to the studio thinking it's temporary, and I'm like, 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.520 ohh any day now, and then I've just come to 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.200 the realization that I will probably never be moving. By 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:44.440 the time that house is done, I will have sold it. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.760 That is how I feel. We were having to podcast 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.880 during the pandemic, during the lockdown, when we were in 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.320 our homes, and so that's when Angela and I started 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:58.960 podcasting from our closets and I ordered the soundproofing thingies, 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.800 you know, the ads for the walls, And that's sort 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.640 of how this came about. And now it's great. First 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:07.719 of all, I love your podcast. I love that you 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:11.480 guys decided to revisit your own show and break it apart. 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.480 It's very, very entertaining, and obviously it's a huge hit, 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:17.680 so a lot of people are loving it as well. 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.600 Now you guys are really good friends in real life obviously, right, 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:27.680 best friends, best friends. I love. We've hit the BFF. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:31.680 We're there. That's our status update. We're at bf uh. 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:36.440 We'll tell us about how that friendship evolved from working together, 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.479 because a lot of times when you work on shows 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.680 or productions, you know, you make good friends and then 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:43.800 it's kind of like sleepaway camp. You go back to 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.599 your real lives and then you kind of forget about 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.839 those people, but you hold onto the memories. It's that's 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.839 very true. That's most of the time. Yeah. I actually 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.400 remember going to sleep away camp once when I was 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.279 in fourth or fifth grade. It was Hebrew sleepaway camp, 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.400 so just to add that little X through a nutcluster, 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:05.000 and and I was so excited, like it was, you know, 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.400 just sleepover to like girl time, like so many girls, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:10.400 and they were all from my school, and none of 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:12.560 us were really close friends. We were all in different 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.320 social groups. And then we went to sleep away camp 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.080 for one weekend. It was just like a one weekend retreat, 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.560 but we all bonded so much that when we got 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.120 back to school, I was like, oh my god, we're 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:25.960 like we're all in this new group. And then it 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.600 just kind of petered out, and I remember feeling so 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:32.039 disappointed as a young girl that we couldn't continue that well. 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.159 You know, early in my career, I did this movie 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.839 Walk Hard with John c Riley, and he kind of 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.680 took me aside midway through. He was very much a 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:44.919 mentor to me, just a wonderful, wonderful guide with acting 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.480 technique and all kinds of things. But about midway through, 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:51.160 he just sort of very gently said to me, you know, Jenna, 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.039 I don't know how to say it, but like, this 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:58.200 isn't real life life on the set, the friends you're making, 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.839 the connect and you're making here, this isn't your real life. 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:06.080 Your real life is the other thing, not the movie. 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.680 And I was like, what do you mean. These are 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:11.720 my very best friends and they're going to be my 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:14.560 very best friends for ever and ever and ever were 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.720 bonded for life. And it was such a wake up 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.240 call because he was right, and it was a great 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.360 lesson to learn too, because I think in the entertainment 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:27.560 industry a lot of times I don't know that the 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.040 friendships you're making, or the bonds you're making on a 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.760 particular artistic project. It's really good to remember that you 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.640 have to really put down roots in your real life. 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.840 You have to have friendships that aren't associated with the 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:44.840 project you're working on. And I guess I'm saying all 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.520 that and now I'm realizing that my very best friendship 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.720 is Angela Kinsey, who I met on a set and 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.360 who is now my business partner. So I don't know. 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.120 I guess, well, I think I think we have a 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.440 really good balance because I just I collect people everywhere, 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.360 and I want you all to go with me everywhere. 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:03.440 And then I bug you and I texted you probably 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.840 too much, and I overshare and and and I just 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.120 want you all to be with me all the time. Really, 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.720 so I think Jenn and I are a nice balance 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:13.800 like that. She says when we were on set that 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.720 I just I talked to you into being my friend, 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.920 Like I just wouldn't stop talking to you pretty much. 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.600 You did, And I'm I'm more shy and I have 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.000 a lot of social anxiety, and so to have this 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.920 person that was just warm and chatty and open and 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.560 never stopped talking to me, I just was like drawn 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.319 to that, like moth to a flame. I was like, yes, 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:40.240 this is great. And then you know, we went through 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:45.440 this crazy thing together, this show becoming successful. It was 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:49.920 both of our first regular television jobs, and so we 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:54.000 were able to navigate all of that together. But more 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:57.680 than anything, we were the same kind of person, right, 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:02.200 and like we were target on the weekends and going 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.120 to do like what do you call those where you 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:08.040 like paint a picture and drink wine like we wine 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:13.679 and Kivas night night. We were for it. Give me 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.400 sign me up for sip and stitch. We're gonna do one. 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:20.320 I mean, I just yeah, no. We we both sort 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.880 of had the same life experience in a way, like 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.280 our our families and how we grew up. And even 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.240 though we you know, I grew up all over and 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.360 some of the locations weren't the same, sort of the 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.120 heart of how we related to the world was the same. 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:38.000 And how we processed the show taking off and how 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.680 that changed our lives. But one of the things I'm 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.960 so proud of in our friendship is the commitment we 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:47.400 have to our friendship. And you know, it's like any 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:49.800 any other relationship in your life. The work you put 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.320 in it is what you get out. And as the 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.200 show ended and all of a sudden, we had this 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.480 place where we always saw each other and that was gone. 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:58.960 So it was up to us after that, how do 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.120 we maintain this French ship? How do we keep it going? 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.360 What does it mean to us? And it's one of 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.520 the joys of my life, the work we put into 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:07.679 it and what we get back from it, and I'm 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.199 always so thankful for it. We'll talk to us a 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.800 little bit about like what that commitment means for each 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:17.800 of you checking in really sharing and sharing because it's 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.080 I feel like, how people grow really close to you 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:23.480 as a shared life experience, and whether or not your 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.520 journey is the same, you're sharing your life experience on 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:28.840 any day, I know what Jenna's day was like. I 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.120 know what her week was like, even when we've been 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.360 way apart working. You know, like when Jenna, when you 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.960 were in London and I was in Vancouver, I knew 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:40.280 the sound her feet made on her walk every day 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.360 and I grew to look forward to it. You know, 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:43.760 at first it was annoying. I was like it was 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:45.880 kind of some crunchy rock. But then I was like, 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.160 oh I miss that crunchy rock and I need to 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:52.040 hear it. But right, Jenna, like, we just we stay connected. 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:54.200 We journal out loud to each other all the time 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:56.600 about the big stuff, the small stuff. All of it 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:00.040 is welcome. Yeah. I think a lot of what and 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.240 nexus as friends is sharing the small stuff. And like 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.960 Angela said, journaling out loud. We used to write each 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:11.800 other journal like emails, and then we moved into audio messages, 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:15.360 which is how we do it now. And Angela just 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:18.440 audio messaged me about her ceiling today. She had a 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.319 big water leak and she gave me all the guys, 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.440 the ceiling is going in today. I've I've been waiting 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:28.320 weeks for this because I'm so invested in Angela's ceiling 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.640 for her, because we tell each other all the small stuff. 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.199 Do you guys use Marco Polo? That's a video messaging app? No, 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:39.240 I know it, I know Marco Polo, but yeah, it 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:41.120 sounds like that would be a good app for you too, 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.800 because then you can visually see each other talking wherever 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:45.559 you are, and then you can show her the ceiling 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.360 being the installation of the ceiling. Like, it's a nice 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:50.280 way to check in with your friends and family when 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.240 you're on vacation anywhere, really, so they know what you're 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.760 up to. You don't have to like message back in 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:57.679 real time. It's like when you get the message, you 0:11:57.880 --> 0:11:59.720 message back. I do that with a lot of my friends. 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.600 It's a atty great form of communication. It's almost like 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.960 if you could leave a voicemail when face timing. Yeah, 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:09.800 it's like a FaceTime voicemail basically, Oh, I'm in, I'm in. 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.000 What's nice about it? Is like, well, when I see 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.040 that come in I'll wait until I have a minute 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:19.680 to digest it so you can really can accept the message. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:23.160 And there's also sometimes messages where I'm like, you're gonna 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.160 need to make sure no one's around when you listen 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:29.080 to this one. Yeah, you know those are my favorite. Yeah, 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:32.400 obviously I like what you're saying about friendship because we've 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.160 talked about this before, Catherine, about Renee Brown. I think 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.400 it is talks about the marble jar and how, you know, 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.760 things develop and cultivate over time. And it's not about 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:44.800 like necessarily instant connections and all of those things, because 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.840 those can be fleeting. It's about time spent, you know, 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:52.440 time quality, time spent repetitively, not just a few times 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.280 or a couple of times. It's about all the small 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:57.600 moments along with the big moments and the consistency of 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:01.880 it that leads to like a real, real worthwhile friendship. 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.480 I think that's true. I feel like I always know 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:07.840 that Jenna is going to show up for me, and 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.760 I don't know that about everybody. You know, like I 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:14.160 am someone that I love meeting people and hearing their 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.840 stories and kind of collecting this group of people. But 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:18.960 then you have this small inner circle that you know 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.240 is going to show up in Jenna's top of the list, 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:23.760 and that makes me feel good in the world. That 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.200 makes me feel safe, and she makes me feel safe 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:31.280 a lot. You know that's great, Jenna. Oh well, I 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:35.480 mean that's Angela for me too. There's an unconditional love 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:39.880 that comes with Angela's friendship that makes me feel like 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:44.920 I can be the parts of myself that aren't so polished, 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.320 the parts of myself that I am may be ashamed 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.640 of or embarrassed by. I can make those mistakes with her, 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:55.560 and she's she doesn't judge, She's there to just love 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.920 me through even my worst moments. Yeah. I think that's 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.600 the gift that everybody they wants, right as somebody who 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.040 can see you at your worst and love you nonetheless. 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.720 And also the lack of judgment is nice because I 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:11.040 noticed in different dynamics with girlfriends of mine or friends 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:14.240 of mine or associates of mine. You know, sometimes I'm 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:18.360 very judgmental, and sometimes I am so forgiving, like not 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:20.680 even forgiving is it the right word, but the opposite 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:24.240 of being judgmental, you know, generous, Yeah, just generous of 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.480 spirit really, like not ever thinking that any of their 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:31.200 behavior is ever going to like break us or judging 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:35.160 them for it, you know, loving them through it. So judgmental, 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:38.160 Like being judgmental is a very tricky kind of balance. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.080 Well for me it is anyway, because I used to 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.960 be super judgmental, and I've tried to tone that down. 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:46.600 You know, sometimes I'm very successful and sometimes I'm less successful. 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.440 Well that's that's just everybody, right. I Mean it's like 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:54.000 some days I'm like, I'm crushing it today as a human, 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.000 and then other days I'm like, what a piece of crap? 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.760 I mean, I'm just I'm curious. How did you do that? Chelsea? 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.280 Was that like a conscious decision? Did you decide to 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.640 take that on one year as a goal, and like, 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:07.920 what are some of the things you did? Well? I 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.560 went to therapy and realized, like I you know, I 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.080 went into like serious therapy for about a year and 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.000 a half when I just became so angry and kind 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.280 of like, you know, just I had no patience for people. 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.440 Everyone annoyed the funk out of me. I mean, people 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:22.600 still really annoy me. I don't know if that's ever 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.880 going to go away completely, but I have a much 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.320 more like loving attitude now. About people and I understand 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.440 that people go through things, you know, that you don't 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.800 know anything about, and I just was a little bit 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.160 up my own ass. So I had to just kind 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:40.680 of expand my my thoughtfulness and really understand that everybody 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.880 is going through something and most oftentimes you're not going 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.680 to know what that is, and to be empathetic, which 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.560 is something I kind of really lacked empathy, and to 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:53.360 cultivate that. The exciting news was that it's possible to 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:57.440 cultivate empathy when you are deficient in a category like that. 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.520 There are skills and ways to remember that. You know, 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.560 everybody has their own life. Everybody has their own set 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:07.200 of problems, their families, their history that you don't know 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.400 anything about, and to be more patient with people, really, 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.520 and it feels so good to be able to love 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:17.280 someone when they're acting badly, you know what I mean, 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.560 When somebody feels terrible about the way they're behaving, where 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.320 they're having an outburst, it feels so generous to be 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.600 able to sit with them and be like, it's everything's 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.760 gonna be okay. You're gonna be okay, and you know, 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:30.680 and so that reaps its own set of rewards. I 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:35.120 think mm hmm, yeah, I mean I feel like one 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.040 of the things that you know, I mean, I feel 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.680 like that you and I have is we can be 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:43.320 really honest with each other and we've given ourselves the 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.520 room and our friendship to just take it in and 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:48.560 because it comes from a loving place, it's sort of 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.640 like that thing you were saying Chelsea about like having compassion. 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.320 And we're not a perfect friendship, you know, we're a 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:59.480 working friendship and we do the best we can. We 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:01.400 care for each other and we always come at it 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:05.240 from that space. So I wouldn't want anyone listening to 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.520 think that it's always been smooth sailing, because anything worth 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.639 anything takes work, and there's gonna be days where you 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.600 get on each other's nerves and things that you work 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:16.960 through as friends. But it's always been just so rewarding 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:19.040 that I can go to Jenna with anything and she 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:21.760 can come to me and she hears me, and she'll 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:23.840 we own whatever part of it we own and then 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:27.240 we get past it, and um, it's something I'm I 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.000 don't know, jennat always means a lot to me that 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.040 I know I can go to you that that that 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:33.959 I feel so comfortable in our friendship that I can 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:35.520 even go to you with things where I'm like, hey, 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.320 you know what that bugged me? Or you can do 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:40.920 the same and we get through it. Yeah, We've also 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:46.959 started conversations like this, like I've said, hey, I have 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:50.679 to talk to you about something. Something's bothering me and 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:54.159 it might be me, it might be my ship. But 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.639 can I say it out loud and maybe we figure 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:58.879 it out together, like what part of it might be you? 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.560 What part of it is Maybe it's all me, Like 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:03.920 I'm I'm coming at this, but like I've been holding 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.359 it for long enough now and I'm not figuring it 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:09.639 out by myself, And so can I just bring it 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.919 to the friendship and as soon as I say it, 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.600 I might feel embarrassed, because sometimes that happens, like as 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:19.600 soon as you say it, you see it. And and 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.119 so I am so grateful that our friendship and our 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.520 friendship did not start that way. In fact, I almost 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:29.880 feel like some of these bigger, deeper kind of conversations 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.880 have happened since we went into business together. Because when 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:37.200 you're running a business together and you're presenting a business 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:40.719 to other people, the stakes are a little higher, and 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:42.679 so I that's one of the things that being in 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:46.320 business together has brought our friendship. It's I feel like 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:50.280 even even deeper, yeah, because the dynamic shifts. But I 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:52.800 love what you said. I love that intro into getting 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:56.320 into a difficult conversation. We haven't had to have any difficult, 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.159 really difficult conversations yet, Katherine, but I hope to have 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:03.199 some soon. So we just started, we became friends, we 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.680 started working together, and then we became friends. So it's 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.679 the opposite. Well no, it's not the opposite, yeah, but 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:12.840 you can work together and then became friends and then 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:16.720 decided us to work together again. Well, the differences though, 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.200 is we were we were co workers together. We both 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:23.520 worked for someone else, right, and really my work ethic 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.160 didn't affect Jenna's or vice versa. The way we approach 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.760 work didn't affect each other. But then, you know, we 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:32.920 had our friendship which was really solid. But then when 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.480 we started to run our own business together, well, now 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.000 it's like that's it. It's just me and Jenna, and 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.560 we directly affect one another. How we work, how we 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.920 process information, how we go into a meeting, it's all together. 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.000 And that was a real learning curve too. Because we 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:52.679 do process information and work very differently. But I also 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:56.159 think we complement each other really well. Yeah, we have 0:19:56.359 --> 0:20:01.280 very similar work ethics. We're hard workers, but we approach 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.679 how we organize work differently. And it's when you go 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:07.800 into business with a friend as well. It creates so 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:12.600 many more opportunities for friction and you know, kind of 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.240 rubbing against each other the wrong way. So was there 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:18.320 anything that you really had to work through from that perspective? 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:22.439 I mean not at first. At first though, every person 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:25.000 I told that we were going into business together was like, 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:28.879 do you think that that's a good Are you crazy? 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:33.480 Are you worried for your friendship? And even our husbands 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:37.119 were worried. I think mostly because they need us to 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:40.360 be friends. They need Angela and I to be best 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:45.600 friends because we are helpful in like not making them everything, 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:47.919 you know, like they're not our only friends, so we 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:50.520 have each other for the big stuff. But I think 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:53.520 it wasn't until we started getting into it where yeah, 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:58.119 it was mostly how we work. Angela is a night owl. 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.360 I am a morning person. Yeah, like when when we 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.320 swap information, because you know, our our podcast, Jenna and 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:06.879 I break down every episode ourselves. We go through it, 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:09.040 we reach out to people ourselves, we kind of come 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.919 out with an outline of who takes what, and so 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:14.159