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Speaker 3: And it's just being reported.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin has officially stepped down after a historic nineteen

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Speaker 1: season run. According to Adam Schefter and Jeremy Fowler, the

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Speaker 1: Steelers will be looking for their first coach, only their

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Speaker 1: fourth coach since the late sixties. Kevin Stefanski. Howe sweet

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Speaker 1: would that be? The Browns let him go? Two time

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Speaker 1: NFL Coach of the Year, Pittsburgh picks him up, That's

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Speaker 1: where I would go.

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Speaker 3: And I'll be.

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Speaker 1: Honest with you, I'm not so sure the front office

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Speaker 1: I'm in love with either.

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Speaker 3: I think it's the right move. People.

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Speaker 1: Mike the fable on our show yesterday, saying he knew

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Speaker 1: Tomlin wouldn't be fired, but he can see him stepping down.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know how those things get negotiated behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes, but you know when when you know fans

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Speaker 1: are channing, you know, fire Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 3: It's time.

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Speaker 1: I think Mike will pick up a network job. I

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Speaker 1: mean I I would be shocked if he was not

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Speaker 1: on the phone this morning with his agent. He'll make uh,

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Speaker 1: don't don't. I could give you the networks in order

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Speaker 1: of where he's gonna go. I'm not gonna do that

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Speaker 1: at this point, but yeah, Mike, it's time, like they

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I think it's not just Tomlin.

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Speaker 1: I think Mike's going to take a year off. But

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Speaker 1: because I don't think there's a lot of great jobs,

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Speaker 1: I would not be shocked. The winner in this is

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Speaker 1: the New York Giants. You know. Now they've got Harbaugh,

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Speaker 1: Stefanski and my Tomlin. Suddenly it went from a lean

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Speaker 1: coaching market to the best in a long time.

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Speaker 3: So stop it, all the coordinators.

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Speaker 1: If you can hire Tomlin, Harbar, Kevin Stefanski, you hire

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Speaker 1: them like a Vrabel, like a Harball, like a Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: stop messing around. So also, Tomlin is a culture guy.

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Speaker 1: He's not a scheme guy. He's very much like Harbaugh

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Speaker 1: and Vrabel. And so my take is what the Giants need.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they can hire Stefanski. I think it'd be

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Speaker 1: a good coach. The Giants need a culture guy. They're

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Speaker 1: a mess. Well, that's what John Harbaugh is, that's what

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin is. In fact, I'm just thinking in the

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Speaker 1: recesses of my mind. Did Tomlin say, listen, I saw

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Speaker 1: Jackson dark play. Harbaugh thinks he's got that job. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go steal that New York Giant job from John Harbaugh.

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Speaker 1: These guys are all alphas, all competitive, but I think

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Speaker 1: it's time. I think Pittsburgh needs a reset as an organization.

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Speaker 1: It's easy to just blame Mike Tomlin, but the GM

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Speaker 1: stepped down and they brought somebody that had been in

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Speaker 1: house a long time. I think they need a young,

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Speaker 1: high risk, high reward GM. I think they need to

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Speaker 1: go get an offensive coach. If I was the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: I would offer the job today to Kevin Stefanski. That's

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Speaker 1: what I would do. Go get an offensive coach. And

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Speaker 1: if I was Kevin Stefanski, I call Aaron and say

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, I'm going to go find my

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Speaker 1: next guy. I think a lot of these coaches Aaron

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Speaker 1: Glenn didn't. I don't think they want to inherit. They

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Speaker 1: don't want to inherit. Aaron Rodgers at forty two. So

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Speaker 1: NFL head coaching vacancys are now up to nine, including

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Speaker 1: three of the four teams in the AFC North. So

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Speaker 1: the Steelers, Ravens, Browns, Giants, Titans, Falcons, Cardinals, Raiders, Dolphins

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Speaker 1: have openings. Ravens is the best job they have. Lamar

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Speaker 1: good roster. I don't know if there's a clear too.

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Speaker 1: Steelers Giants have some things I like about both. Again,

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Speaker 1: when I said a couple of years ago, I'd moved

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Speaker 1: TJ Watt and get more picks, that was outrageous. TJ's

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Speaker 1: zero for five in the playoffs. How outrageous is it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a bunch of bad jobs, and then there's the

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Speaker 1: Ravens job. I think you'd probably say Giants Steelers. I

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Speaker 1: like some stuff on the offensive side, plus Abdul Carter

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Speaker 1: a lot of chaos in the building, but I think

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Speaker 1: they got to take some swings upstairs and on the sidelines.

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Speaker 1: He's an NFL writer for The Athletic and the host

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Speaker 1: of The Athletic Football Show. Robert Mays is sensational previously

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Speaker 1: at Grantlin and The Ringer, and he is now joining

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Speaker 1: us on the news that Mike Tomlin has decided to go.

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Speaker 1: I think there's needs to be a house cleaning inside

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Speaker 1: the organization.

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Speaker 3: This too much money on defense.

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Speaker 1: I think it's easy to blame Tomlin, who's an elite motivator.

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Speaker 1: He'll be a great TV analyst or he'll get the

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Speaker 1: Giants job. I mean, it's that New York Giants, don't

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Speaker 1: you know? The winner in this, Robert, the winner is

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Speaker 1: the Giants. They got a hard boss Tofanski and Tomlin,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty meaty. The other winner to me is Brian

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Speaker 1: Dable because now we have nine openings and I thought

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Speaker 1: he was on the edge of getting a job. But

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Speaker 1: with nine, I think Brian Dabole winning a playoff game

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Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones now gets a head coaching job.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with Tomlin. Though you did a show.

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Speaker 1: Right after the game last night and after the loss,

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Speaker 1: Let's start with what your initial reaction was on Tomlin

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Speaker 1: that it was time. I think it was time for

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Speaker 4: And I never thought that the Steelers would fire Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 4: and they didn't. I think it was going to be

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Speaker 4: a conversation, and I feel like we were in a

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Speaker 4: place with both the Steelers and Mike Tomlin where it

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Speaker 4: was mutually beneficial for them to go their separate ways.

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Speaker 4: This had run out of road on so many different fronts,

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Speaker 4: so we could talk about this. But the Steelers are

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Speaker 4: poised to go from being one of the oldest teams

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Speaker 4: of a youth movement. They have a ton of picks

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Speaker 4: this year. They can move on from guys like TJ.

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Speaker 4: Watt and Cam Hayward over the next couple of years.

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Speaker 4: It's a reset, even if it's not a rebuild, and

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Speaker 4: I feel like somebody else coming in with a new

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Speaker 4: vision to kind of shepherd that version of the organization

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Speaker 4: that made sense for them and for Tomlin. You have

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Speaker 4: no pathway to a quarterback right now. If you're the

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Speaker 4: away the same way Sean Payton did, or just moving

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Speaker 4: to a different situation where the team is positioned differently

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Speaker 4: for both parties. I felt like this was the right

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Speaker 4: surprised to see this.

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Speaker 3: Who do you think is the leading candidate for that job.

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Speaker 4: It's a great question because I heard you say earlier

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Speaker 4: that you could see them going with an offensive coach,

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Speaker 4: and I would completely understand that if they wanted to

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Speaker 4: go with a guy like Kevin Stefanski. I do think

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Speaker 4: that's pretty far removed from what the tomlin eraw was,

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Speaker 4: and I think that's appealing in some ways.

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Speaker 4: I also think this is an organization that's has not

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Speaker 4: been afraid to do things that are unconventional. When they

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Speaker 4: hired Mike Tomlin, he was a thirty five year old

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Speaker 4: kind of anonymous assistant that they thought was the right

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Speaker 4: if all the options were on the table. I think

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Speaker 4: a lot of organizations do want to do something that's

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Speaker 4: I feel like there are gonna be a lot of

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Speaker 1: Be Yeah, wow, Does this change?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I would think now.

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Speaker 1: I said about an hour ago, Aaron Rodgers retires or

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Speaker 1: goes to the Vikings, I didn't think he was going

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Speaker 1: to run it back. Now that Tomlin's gone. Does that

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Speaker 3: I think it makes it less likely.

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Speaker 4: I just don't understand why you would kind of pigeonhole

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Speaker 4: yourself into that version of the team when again, it

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Speaker 4: feels like you're kind of closing the book and starting

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Speaker 4: anew year. They have evan picks in the top four

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Speaker 4: hundred already. On offense, they have one of the youngest

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Speaker 4: offensive lines in the league, and on defense, there are

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Speaker 4: a lot of guys that I do not think will

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Speaker 4: be back next year if you are kind of transitioning

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Speaker 4: Slay was on the team this year. Again, they were

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Speaker 4: one of the oldest teams in the NFL. I expect

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Speaker 4: to be one of the youngest teams in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: And I'm just not sure how a forty two year

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Speaker 4: old Aaron Rodgers jives with that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk. Let's talk New York Giants.

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Speaker 1: So I've always felt the Ravens could use a play

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Speaker 1: caller that just is Kumbaya with Lamar Jackson. Let's get

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Speaker 1: the Lamar thing right, it's his franchise. I could see

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Speaker 1: Stefanski being a great fit. The Giants need a culture guy.

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Speaker 1: They've had a warped culture for a decade. To me,

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Speaker 1: that screams Tomlin and Harball. Not that Kevin couldn't do it, Robert,

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Speaker 1: but I think I just think of Stefanski as quarterback, strong,

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Speaker 1: offensive minded. If I give you I mean, would Tom

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Speaker 1: would even be interested in the Giants or do you

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Speaker 1: think he does TV? And Harbaugh is the leader of

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Speaker 4: In New York. If Tom Win wants a job, I

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Speaker 4: think you should be interested in the Giants. I was

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Speaker 4: talking to somebody who's been interviewing for a lot of

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Speaker 4: these jobs over the last couple of weeks a few

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Speaker 4: days ago, and we were talking about how you stack

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Speaker 4: up the priorities for why these jobs are appealing and

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Speaker 4: why they aren't. And we are trying to kind of

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Speaker 4: tear out if you were talking about quarterback, ownership, the

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Speaker 4: quality of the roster, all of this, how would you

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Speaker 4: do it? And his first thing was quarterback and ownership

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Speaker 4: I think should be at the top.

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Speaker 3: And if that's the case, and you look.

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Speaker 4: At the Giants, even if you're worried about the GM,

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Speaker 4: even if you're worried about certain elements of the roster,

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Speaker 4: they at least have a promising young quarterback and the

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Speaker 4: ownership there is stable.

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Speaker 3: There's stability there. There's going to be patients there.

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Speaker 4: I think the Giants as an organization are more attractive

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Speaker 3: It's time for us to move in a different direction.

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Speaker 4: You go get a Mike McDonald who's on the cutting

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Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman note opinion on him, like the NFL team

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Speaker 3: Man, this is really really fascinating nine openings. I mean

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Speaker 1: If you just said Stefanski, John Harball, Mike Tomlin, nine openings,

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Speaker 4: If you trust their new infrastructure with Mike Borganzi as

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Speaker 1: I have defended Matt Lafleur. I said he won the

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Speaker 1: By the way, I want to circle back to Tomlin.

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Speaker 3: There's no way he could do broadcasting.

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Speaker 4: I think with the quality of the jobs of Tom Whin,

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Speaker 4: The year off to me is most interesting because I

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Speaker 4: I think that where I would sit back and evaluate

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Speaker 4: about how you need to build things moving forward for

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Speaker 4: you to be successful. Because I think if he surrounds

437
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Speaker 4: him so with the right ideas, he is such a

438
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Speaker 4: good coach and a good motivator that that overall construction

439
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Speaker 4: and that overall model that would be appealing to me

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Speaker 4: if I were an owner trying to fill one of

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Speaker 4: these jobs.

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Speaker 3: How about this nine openings?

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's possible based on either results this

444
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Speaker 1: weekend or a Bushati John Harbaugh bad phone call, there'll

445
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Speaker 1: be another job opening? Or do you believe the Browns, Cards, Dolphin, Falcons, Giants, Raiders, Ravens, Steelers, Titans?

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Speaker 1: Is it or there's just one that you're kind of

447
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Speaker 1: wondering about any I don't know what.

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Speaker 4: That would be. Meagles, Eagles, Eagles. Maybe I'd be surprised

449
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Speaker 4: about that. I think they won the Super Bowl last year.

450
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Speaker 4: They've had enough evidence where if they have the right

451
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Speaker 4: coordinators in that building, they can be successful and competitive.

452
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Speaker 4: I think they swap out the offensive coordinator before they

453
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Speaker 4: move on from Sirianni. I think twenty twenty six becomes

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Speaker 4: all right, we got to see it before we decide

455
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Speaker 4: whether we were to.

456
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Speaker 3: Go in a new direction. I think they stayed the course.

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Speaker 4: The other one that obviously we've talked about over the

458
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Speaker 4: last couple of years is what happens with Buffalo. I

459
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Speaker 4: think right now, you watch what they did on defense

460
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Speaker 4: against the Jags last week. Yeah, the Bill's defense and

461
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Speaker 4: how well coached that Bill's defense has been in certain

462
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Speaker 4: moments when they don't have a lot of talent. I

463
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Speaker 4: honestly think even if it ends in the divisional round,

464
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Speaker 4: this is the year I have felt best on what

465
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Speaker 4: McDermott is providing for the Bills than I have over

466
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Speaker 4: the last couple of years. And so on that front,

467
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Speaker 4: I think I'd be surprised if they moved on. And

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Speaker 4: I think that's really the only one that even might

469
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Speaker 4: make sense given the teams that are left.

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Speaker 3: Robert mays the Athletic Football Show terrific.

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Speaker 1: Well, that Mike Tomlin detour for the last fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 1: It is nine openings is the most since twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: So wow, this is just wild, Robert? Is it really?

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Speaker 5: Is?

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Speaker 4: It?

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Speaker 3: Really is?

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Speaker 1: No? I mean it's like this is something I talked

478
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Speaker 1: about several years ago owners used to be worth six

479
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Speaker 1: hunder fifty million. Now they're worth four billion, and they

480
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Speaker 1: can just write those checks. They can just clean the

481
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Speaker 1: staff out. Here's sixty million. I'm starting over. I made

482
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Speaker 1: that yesterday on my tech stocks, you know. I mean,

483
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Speaker 1: it's just a different world. They're more impulsive. But to

484
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Speaker 1: your point, they're watching Rabel and Jim Harbaugh and Liam

485
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Speaker 1: Cohen and Mike McDonald and they're like, yeah, I'm gonna

486
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Speaker 1: do this. Just get the right guy to Miko Ryans.

487
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Speaker 1: Before Demico got that job, I thought Houston was the

488
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Speaker 1: biggest has Matt spill in the league an hour before

489
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Speaker 1: he took that job. Nick Cassari, I mean, didn't we

490
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Speaker 1: think five years ago, four years ago the worst franchise honestly,

491
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Speaker 1: wasn't it Houston.

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Speaker 4: It was the most forgettable franchise. It was the most

493
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Speaker 4: irrelevant franchise in the league. They existed in complete anonymity

494
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Speaker 4: for like four years.

495
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Speaker 3: But you just feel how differently things can change.

496
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Speaker 4: Think about the way the Bears are talked about when

497
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Speaker 4: it comes to ownership and the quality of the organization

498
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Speaker 4: and their entire reputation for the last five to ten years.

499
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Speaker 4: Ben Jonson's been there for eleven months, and how different

500
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Speaker 4: does it feel. It feels so different, And I think

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Speaker 4: that's why there's an allure to this, because you can

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Speaker 4: convince yourself that if you get the right guy, you

503
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Speaker 4: can change everything in an instant. And as long as

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Speaker 4: we have evidence that points to that, I think you're

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Speaker 4: gonna see owners operate this way.

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Speaker 3: Robert, great stuff. Asola's thanks go ID appreciate it. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Nine openings, Yeah, I mean, Marcus Freeman, keep your eye on,

508
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Speaker 1: Brian Dabele, Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh, Kevin Stefanski, Mike mc

509
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Speaker 1: I'll throw this up. Mike McDaniel, make it a second opportunity.

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Speaker 1: You say, wow, I mean Miami didn't end well, got

511
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Speaker 1: to the playoffs twice. What ammos a GM, Mike McDaniel

512
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Speaker 1: and Brian Dabele have got to be thinking nine openings.

513
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Speaker 1: I'm getting work, and I don't necessarily think it would.

514
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Speaker 3: Be a bad thing. The Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

516
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Speaker 2: and Neon Eastern non a EM Pacific.

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Speaker 3: All right.

518
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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin's out in Pittsburgh. He informed the team today

519
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Speaker 1: the Rooneys that he was moving on. Art Rooney the

520
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: second released a statement, and you know it's always classy.

521
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Speaker 1: The Steelers are highly regarded. They take care of their

522
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Speaker 1: own basically. You know, during our meeting, Coach Tomlin informed

523
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Speaker 1: me he decided to step down. I'm grateful to Mike

524
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Speaker 1: dedication success we've shared over nineteen years. Hard for me

525
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Speaker 1: to put into words the level of respect and appreciation

526
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Speaker 1: I have for coach Tomlin guided the franchise to our

527
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Speaker 1: six Super Bowl Championship playoffs thirteen times during his tenure,

528
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Speaker 1: won the AFC North eight times in his career. Track

529
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Speaker 1: record of never having a losing season likely never be

530
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Speaker 1: dupe Lood, My family and I, everybody connected to the

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Speaker 1: Steelers management forever grateful for the passion and dedication Mike

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Speaker 1: Tomlin has devoted.

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Speaker 3: To Steelers football. I mean, it's a hall of fame coach.

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Speaker 3: The resume is a hall of fame coach.

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Speaker 1: I also think you can be a Hall of Fame

536
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Speaker 1: CEO and a hall of Fame coach and feel like

537
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Speaker 1: you're not current. I don't necessarily think the Steelers under

538
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 1: Tomlin have felt current, right. They still need the kids

539
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: to get online, like they're just not quite current. That

540
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean if he hired a brilliant OC it couldn't help.

541
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Speaker 1: I think Arthur Smith and Aaron Rodgers were a little

542
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Speaker 1: duct tape on sort of the cultural issue with them,

543
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: which is to just spend too much damn money on

544
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Speaker 1: the wrong side of the ball. So here's Robert May's

545
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Speaker 1: from The Athletic earlier on Tomlin stepping down.

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Speaker 4: I think it was time for both sides, and I

547
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Speaker 4: never thought that the Seelers would fire my Tomlin, and

548
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 4: they didn't. I think it was going to be a conversation,

549
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Speaker 4: and I feel like we were in a place with

550
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Speaker 4: both the Steelers and Mike Tomlin where it was mutually

551
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Speaker 4: beneficial for them to go their separate ways.

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Speaker 3: The Steelers are poised.

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Speaker 4: To go from being one of the oldest teams in

554
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Speaker 4: the league to kind of having a little bit of

555
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 4: a youth movement.

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Speaker 3: They have a ton of picks this year. They can

557
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 3: move on from guys like TJ. Watt and Cam Hayward

558
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 3: over the next couple of years.

559
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 4: It's a reset, even if it's not a rebuild, and

560
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 4: I feel like somebody else coming in with a new

561
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 4: vision to kind of shepherd that version of the organization

562
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 4: that made sense for them.

563
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would go at offense.

564
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Speaker 1: I think I would consider Brian Dable, I would consider

565
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski. I want somebody that's been a head coach.

566
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 1: I mean the coordinator stuff is a fifty to fifty proposition. Now,

567
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: you hit it out of the park with Ben Johnson,

568
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: But we were talking about Ben Johnson for three years,

569
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: like he was the talk of the league for three years.

570
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniel also had multiple opportunities.

571
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Speaker 3: And didn't work.

572
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Speaker 1: Liam Cohen did, so there is no guarantee. But by

573
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Speaker 1: the way, Ben Johnson and hand Kayleb Williams pretty talented guy.

574
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: Liam Cohen inherited Trevor Lawrence, pretty talented guy. Whoever takes

575
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: a Steelers job, they don't have a quarterback. Whoever gets

576
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: the Giants has Jackson Dart So we all say, oh,

577
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: Liaan Cohen, Yeah, but he had a quarterback. Oh, Ben Johnson,

578
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Speaker 1: he had a quarterback. Oh, Mike Rabel, he had a quarterback.

579
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: Sean Payton drafted a quarterback he loved that was a

580
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Speaker 1: Drew Brees comp So these coordinators that you or any

581
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: of these coaches, you got to have the quarterback, right,

582
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Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. If I'm Mike Tomlin, you

583
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: know what interests me.

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Speaker 3: Nine months? Dallas Cowboys.

585
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Speaker 1: They got Dak Prescott, all these even the legends, even

586
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: the Sean Payton's, even the.

587
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Speaker 3: Vrabels, even the you know, all the big guys, the

588
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: Jim Harbaughs.

589
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get Justin Herbert, or you get Trevor Lawrence,

590
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: or you get somebody as talented as Caleb Williams.

591
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 3: What worries you about.

592
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: The Pittsburgh Steelers and what's great about the Ravens is

593
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: you get Lamar Jackson. That's why the Ravens jobs by

594
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: far and away the best. You'd take the Ravens over

595
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: the Steelers ten out of ten times I get Lamar Jackson.

596
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: I would take the Giants over the Steelers. I have

597
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart. Okay, So Steelers right now is a third job.

598
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: Who's the quarterback? Aaron's not the answer. And Aaron's personality

599
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: is not the kind that like a Stefanski would go, yeah,

600
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Speaker 1: that's that's that's not it. I mean, the Vikings knew

601
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Speaker 1: that JJ McCarthy couldn't stay healthy, and they had huge concerns,

602
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Speaker 1: and they passed on Aaron. So I don't think Aaron's

603
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Speaker 1: going to be the clean that's not an attractive thing.

604
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: I think it was attractive for Tomlin knowing the end

605
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: was coming. It's not going to be for like a

606
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Speaker 1: first time coach or a second time coach. Aaron's not

607
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: going to be that attractive. So I think the best

608
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: job is where your quarterbacks at. You start looking at

609
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: all these coaches that have worked. I mean, Mike McCarthy

610
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: goes to Dallas, he won twelve games three times, he

611
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: inherited Dak. Try to find the guys that go to

612
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: an organization that have no idea what they're doing a quarterback,

613
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Speaker 1: because that's the Steelers, and I honestly I think Tomlin knows.

614
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: Tomlin's smart. Tomlin's like in one year cowboy job potentially.

615
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you start looking around the league. Next year,

616
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: I'll throw another one out. There's talk about Andy Reid

617
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Speaker 1: retiring in a year. McDermott loses this weekend by three touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just as I'm saying, we got nine openings,

619
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Speaker 1: we could have ten.

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Speaker 3: We could have.

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Speaker 1: Another nine next year, so you know, keep your eyes open.

622
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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, by the way, is from Pittsburgh. Keep your

623
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Speaker 1: you think I'm crazy, j Mack. Mike McCarthy is from Pittsburgh.

624
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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's no way Mike McCarthy's taking this job. Colin, Listen,

625
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 6: Mike Tomlin had an amazing run, but this is not

626
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Speaker 6: an attractive job opening. I get the whole ownership thing, stability,

627
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 6: all that wonderful. All the guys that took over, Mike

628
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 6: Tomlin taking over for Coward had a quarterback in Ben Roethlisberger.

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Speaker 5: Just on a Super Bowl. I would argue.

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Speaker 6: Pittsburgh is the eighth or ninth most desirable job on

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Speaker 6: the market, right there with Arizona.

632
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Speaker 5: Colin, I just look, they've got the second oldest roster

633
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Speaker 5: in the league.

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Speaker 3: We've got a bunch of draft picks.

635
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Speaker 6: Yeah, a bunch of draft picks. I look at blue

636
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 6: chip talent. I see maybe Joey Porter junior. Jalen Ramsey's declining.

637
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 6: I like high Smith. Cam Hayward is their highest graded

638
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 6: PFF player. He turns thirty seven in two months. They

639
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 6: don't have a quarterback. They're in a brutal division. There's

640
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 6: really nothing attractive about this job other than the ownership group.

641
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 6: I mean, Tennessee, at least you got Cam Ward, the Giants,

642
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 6: he got Jackson Dark, Atlanta's I mean, you just need

643
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 6: a quarterback, all the pieces in place. I look at Pittsburgh,

644
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 6: this is a major rebuild. And you know, following alleged

645
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 6: is tough. Right, we love Craft as an owner in

646
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 6: New England. Well guess what following Belichick gered Mayo? How

647
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 6: long did the owner stick with Mayo? He was going

648
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 6: in a year? But careful, well over, he's careful taking

649
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 6: this job.

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Speaker 1: Ravens you get Lamar Jackson, Giants you get Jackson Dark,

651
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: Raiders you get Fernando Mendoza. Yep, Titans you get cam Ward.

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Speaker 1: Those are the four places I get a quarterback I

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Speaker 1: can win.

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Speaker 6: With Cleveland is not a desirable job. You know, they

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Speaker 6: will see what shador. I don't think he's the guy,

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Speaker 6: but I'm just telling you this Pittsburgh roster.

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Speaker 5: Go look at the salary cap.

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Speaker 6: They do have some space, but like, is dk Metcalf

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Speaker 6: their second or third best player on the roster.

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Speaker 5: The kid they drafted out of Georgia, Bryant Jones, all

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Speaker 5: of about can't stay healthy.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't matter? I mean I get that, but doesn't matter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they don't have a quarterback.

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Speaker 6: Well you tell that to Mike McCarthy. Hey, Mike, you

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Speaker 6: want this job, I would almost guarantee he'd pass.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think it's that effected.

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Speaker 1: I want a quarterback. Cam Ward for four years is free.

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Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza for four years will be free.

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Speaker 5: What's the path to a quarterback for Pittsburgh?

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Speaker 6: Because they've been on this nine and eight, ten and six,

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Speaker 6: ten and seven hamster wheel. I'd rather be four in

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Speaker 6: thirteen so you at least get bites at the apple

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Speaker 6: up high. I mean it's Pittsburgh's in a tough spot.

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Speaker 5: Listen.

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Speaker 6: They had a great run, nothing last forever. I think

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Speaker 6: we're looking at some dark days ahead.

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Speaker 1: If if you're Pittsburgh with all these picks, my takeaway,

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Speaker 1: you give out about six of them to go get

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Speaker 1: Ty Simpson in the first round. Say what you want,

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Speaker 1: it's something, Oh boy, I mean that's sexil.

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Speaker 5: Grab Ty Simpson before the Steelers do. Come on.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't wish that upon anybody. I mean, they have

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Speaker 1: seven draft picks in the first four rounds. The Steelers

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Speaker 1: have the ammo, go get Ty Simpson.

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Speaker 3: Move up. You have to move up twenty five spots,

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Speaker 3: move up ten