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Speaker 4: and right now it is time to welcome in the

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Speaker 4: man himself. Come on, when you're walking the Sunset Strip

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Speaker 4: back in the late eighties, you've got on a T

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Speaker 4: shirt with cutoff sleeves, long hair, some leather pants and

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Speaker 4: a cocktail and potentially some drug paraphernalia in your back pocket.

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Speaker 4: You think of nobody other than Albert Preer, senior NFL reporter,

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Speaker 4: lead content strategist at the MMQB and get him on

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Speaker 4: x at Albert Breer a B. Good morning man.

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Speaker 5: That teeth marks flying was was was wrong?

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Speaker 6: I don't know if that was that you, Brady, or that.

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Speaker 4: Was brain That was not That was not cool.

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Speaker 1: I'd be wearing a uh some some sort of like

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Speaker 1: Eagles shirt with a jean jacket with a T top

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Speaker 1: Camaro maybe.

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Speaker 6: A Firebird or whatever they were called irock irocky. There

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Speaker 6: you go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, one of the T birds tops.

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Speaker 6: You'll pop up out of.

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Speaker 7: The poop the tops off. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish kids these days knew how cool that

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Speaker 1: car was.

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Speaker 6: That was awesome, It really was.

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Speaker 5: There was no status symbol like an irock z in

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Speaker 5: in the eighties.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: God, that was especially with that big eagle whatever on

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Speaker 1: the front and the fire but on the frontal suite.

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Speaker 8: Bert Reynolds made it popular, right.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah Reynolds?

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Speaker 8: Was that?

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Speaker 4: Do you have that in the Cannonball Run? Yeah? That

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Speaker 4: the cad the Cannonball Run? How about you?

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Speaker 8: You don't know none about that?

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Speaker 4: Please? Cannonball Run with Don Delaise. Come on, man, everybody

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Speaker 4: in there. Everybody was making carry. Bradshaw was in it,

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Speaker 4: all those guys. Yeah, ab what what's the most manufactured

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Speaker 4: draft storyline that you've heard thus far?

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Speaker 7: Well? Still early? Uh, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I mean, like, like I I would say the Ty

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Speaker 5: Simpson hysteria over the last few days is a little

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Speaker 5: out of control, you know, But then I would go

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Speaker 5: saw someone taking two still shots of it was like

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Speaker 5: Reuben Bain and his bend's going around a bag and

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Speaker 5: then RVL Reese and Rees who like basically hasn't really

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Speaker 5: lot more in the pros, like he's played some in

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Speaker 5: it was like I can't like it was something along

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Speaker 5: the lines of, like, you can't spend a top nine

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Speaker 7: Specifically top nine pick on this guy. So that was

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Speaker 5: So yeah, but we're still we're still just.

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Speaker 7: Getting going right. We've got we've got we got a

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Speaker 5: Go here, so I'm sure there'll be plenty more contenders emerging.

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Speaker 8: Why would they say that, though, I'm sorry, I just

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Speaker 4: Why would they say that though?

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Speaker 8: Like why like, okay, bang Ban looked good in his

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Speaker 8: his workout, He looked really good. We talked about that.

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Speaker 8: But why would you say our bel Reese isn't a

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Speaker 7: Five because he wasn't bending around the bag and it

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Speaker 4: Part of it, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: It was like it wasn't even video, it was a

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Speaker 5: still shot. And yeah, so apparently he can't bend well

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Speaker 5: enough to be a good defensive end. So that that

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Speaker 5: one bag drill he was going through is an indication

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Speaker 8: Some people, okay, all right, Yeah, he is a freak athlete,

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Speaker 6: Not be betting against him.

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Speaker 1: I saw an interesting article and something that's kind of

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Speaker 1: flown under the radar. We've talked to you about this before, Albert,

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Speaker 1: but the NFL Referees Association apparently they've walked away from

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Speaker 1: the NFL had sent a bunch of guys who actually

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Speaker 1: didn't have authority to make any of the decisions that

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Speaker 1: they're negotiating. I mean, I don't know if it's funny,

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Speaker 1: if it's savvy moved by the NFL just to set

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Speaker 6: Who I mean, I'm not sure where to even ask

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Speaker 7: Of you guys have rules proposal for that they're going

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Speaker 7: to vote on next week on this. No go ahead, okay,

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Speaker 7: So the rules proposal.

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Speaker 5: On this is that they would allow for New York

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Speaker 7: Calls you know, have oversight the event in the event

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Speaker 7: that there's a gut.

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Speaker 4: Like, so they're treating they're treating like student driver. They're

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Speaker 4: treating like student drivers. If it gets out of it's

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like that wave.

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Speaker 7: Remember they would when you were when you were drivers

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Speaker 7: that do you remember the guy who was sitting shotgun

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Speaker 5: Jarring if he hit that brake, you know, Like yeah,

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Speaker 5: Like so, I guess that's what the NFL is putting in.

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Speaker 5: They're putting in the break. They're gonna be sitting Shotgun

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe that's not the worst idea. I would actually

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Speaker 1: I just for a league that's gotten involved with a

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Speaker 1: lot of gambling partners and sponsorships, that's only going to

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Speaker 1: with the prediction markets. The fact that they just have

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Speaker 1: actually having someone legitimately go negotiate terms that can make

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Speaker 1: that decision for the NFL is wild. I mean, is

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Speaker 1: that where we're at, Like they just don't take officiating

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, well, I think it's I think it's.

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Speaker 5: Bigger than that though.

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Speaker 7: Brady, Like, I just think it's like this, there's no

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Speaker 5: There's a private equity mindset to the way the NFL's

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Speaker 5: run now. And you know, I've heard teams head counts

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Speaker 7: You hear all the buzz terms too, right like, and

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Speaker 5: You find out like about a lot of the owners

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Speaker 5: is what they're truly competitive about. And what they're truly

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Speaker 5: competitive about is I mean, it's the business stuff. It's

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Speaker 5: not wins and losses on the field for a lot

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Speaker 5: of these guys. But the guys that are pointing and

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Speaker 7: You know, they are making fun of the teams that

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Speaker 5: Know, and and and so like I think when you

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Speaker 5: And now it's not even about like it's about winning

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Speaker 7: You know, And it's you know, sort of an and.

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Speaker 5: In Roger Goodell's defense, it's it's sort of the way

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Speaker 7: Years ago, which was all right, Roger, like.

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Speaker 5: You're in this now, you and and you're going to

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Speaker 7: And it seemed like a pie in the sky.

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Speaker 5: And you know, so much of it has been just

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Speaker 5: And you know, I think it's what these guys are

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Speaker 7: And and and in the way the NFL.

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Speaker 5: Does business, and there was a labor negotiation I think

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Speaker 5: Was nosed to nose with Gene Upshaw, who is the

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Speaker 7: We're the ranchers and you're the cattle. And like that's

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Speaker 7: just the way they approach these things, and it always

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 5: And so I think that they look at the referees

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Speaker 5: and they say, you guys are replaceable, and we.

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Speaker 7: Remember what a disaster that was.

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Speaker 5: In twenty twelve, and so they're going to find ways.

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Speaker 7: To try to, you know, take that piece.

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Speaker 5: Of leverage away from them, because the referees leverage right

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Speaker 5: now is well, you know, it's going to be disaster

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Speaker 5: if you if you take us off the field. Well,

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Speaker 5: all right, well we'll do what we need to do.

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Speaker 7: To make that less of a disaster. So we have

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Speaker 7: more leverage so we can squeeze you so we can do.

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Speaker 5: The best deal for us, and negotiating against you.

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Speaker 8: That's still quite the mess in the making. I mean,

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Speaker 8: let's be let's be clear. I agree they're going to

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Speaker 8: have to deal with a lot of crazy scrutiny. Like

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Speaker 8: we just talked about earlier, Abe, how much money these

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Speaker 8: these these networks are paying for the National Football League content.

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Speaker 8: You can't just you can't just throw that out there

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Speaker 7: To be ready and in the fall.

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Speaker 5: And the case that this does, you know, become a

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Speaker 7: Pluck from the big ten in the SEC.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't work that way.

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Speaker 7: Did you guys know that no official.

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Speaker 8: Do you think there will be retaliation? Like that's an

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Speaker 8: interesting thing, Like I get that that was the replacements,

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean it's startings again again. Like I just

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Speaker 7: And it's it's it's interesting.

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Speaker 5: Too because you know, like all these guys are part

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Speaker 7: Of it, there's just I mean, there's just so many.

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Speaker 5: The fact that the owners again are voting on this stuff.

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Speaker 7: Are essentially voting to give themselves a leverage in.

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Speaker 5: This negotiation next week at the owners meetings, I think

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Speaker 1: On it Just a wild situation, right, I mean.

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Speaker 6: Just it is.

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Speaker 4: Maybe was carneal Tate not running the forty at his

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Speaker 7: That's not cool.

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Speaker 4: To figure this out. Why did he run the forty

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Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I I think I like I I would

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Speaker 5: Like Carnell Tape feels like he's probably answered the questions

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Speaker 5: Nobody thought he was gonna be a four to three

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Speaker 7: You know, you just stand on. I guess what some

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Speaker 5: Is as a high four four and what the lasers

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Speaker 6: Yeah, do we have time for one more?

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Speaker 1: Albert, I just saw a report that the NFL and

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Speaker 5: This is sort of.

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Speaker 7: So like this is where the.

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Speaker 5: Lot of like questions as to how all this works

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Speaker 7: It and everything else.

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Speaker 1: The suit obviously involves the UH, the NFL and and

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Speaker 6: Through the NFL. I've said this before. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: The NFL actually sells their live like real time feed

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Speaker 6: But is this getting to the point.

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Speaker 6: Angle at all this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we're still on the front end of

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Speaker 5: And I think part of it, Brady, is like they,

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Speaker 5: they've been, you know, about just taking money from whoever.

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Speaker 5: And I think, you know, over the course of years,

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Speaker 5: I think we're going to learn more about this, Like

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Speaker 5: I know, I think.

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Speaker 7: In some states there's some questions.

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Speaker 5: Over whether or not they're going to continue with prop betting,

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Speaker 5: right because of the effect that that can and how

451
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Speaker 5: a single player.

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Speaker 7: Can have a can have a can can can can affect.

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Speaker 5: A prop bet and how that could wind up you know,

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Speaker 5: like being.

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Speaker 7: And I think we all know the implications there, right.

456
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Speaker 5: Like where you know, a single player might be enticed

457
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Speaker 5: to take something from somebody to fulfill a prop bet.

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Speaker 5: So I think there there are a lot of these

459
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Speaker 5: questions that go well beyond where we are with money

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Speaker 5: lines and you know, betting on on on odds and

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Speaker 5: betting lines.

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Speaker 7: Like I think when you start to.

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Speaker 5: Get into the more granular stuff, you know, it opens up,

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Speaker 5: you know, a Pandora's box of questions. And I just

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Speaker 5: feel like with the they all on approach the NFL

466
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Speaker 5: and all the other leagues too, you know, to be fair, have.

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Speaker 7: Taken with this.

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Speaker 5: I think there's certainly going to be like a sorting

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Speaker 5: out process over over over the coming years on like

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Speaker 5: what's what's okay, what's manageable, and what's.

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Speaker 4: Not ab always appreciate it. We will do it again

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Speaker 4: next week. Enjoy the weekend and have a glass out there.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully your bracket's not busted already.

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Speaker 5: So all right, thanks guys, I couldn't tell you one

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Speaker 5: way or the other, but I'll take a look at

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Speaker 4: Adam Silver, the Commissioner of the NBA, who's got everything

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Speaker 4: under control there no issues with that league, no problems whatsoever,

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Speaker 4: not any any sort of stuff that's popped up as

526
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Speaker 4: far as you know, gambling and tanking and whatnot. He

527
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Speaker 4: spoke about tanking, and he spoke about the solution and

528
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Speaker 4: some steps that the league is going to take to

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Speaker 10: One topic not so positive in that ongoing tanking issues

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Speaker 10: in the league. We had a lengthy conversation about the issue.

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Speaker 10: This meeting was not about pointing fingers at any team

533
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Speaker 10: in particularly in particular. Again, I understand where the incentives are,

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Speaker 10: we understand why it results in certain behavior, and I

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Speaker 10: will say it was seemed unanimous in the room that

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Speaker 10: we needed to make a change, and we needed to

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Speaker 10: make a change for next season. Exactly what that changes

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Speaker 10: we're continuing to work on. No votes were taken today.

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Speaker 10: I think there's also unanimous agreement that we need to

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Speaker 10: make this change in advance of the draft and free

541
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Speaker 10: agency this year, so all the teams understand the rules

542
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Speaker 10: of the road going into next year. That means we

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Speaker 10: will most likely have a special board meeting in May,

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Speaker 10: in which at that point we will vote on whatever

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Speaker 10: modification we come up with and we were going to

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Speaker 10: fix it full stop.

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Speaker 4: You know what that means In the meantime, tank away.

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Speaker 4: Everybody do what you gotta do, all right, because they're

549
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Speaker 4: coming up with changes this offseason. So whoever is in

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Speaker 4: the midst of tanking to try and be a part

551
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Speaker 4: of this low to draft class coming up, just continue

552
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Speaker 4: to do what you're doing. But don't worry. They're gonna

553
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Speaker 4: put a stop to this in the offseason, I believe.

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Speaker 8: I want to say, why is there such a negative

555
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Speaker 8: connection to tanking because you aren't you seeking a positive outcome?

556
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Speaker 8: Isn't that considered to be a strategical movement? Like giving

557
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Speaker 8: up is one thing? Giving up says to me, there's

558
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Speaker 8: nothing beyond giving up, Like you've quit. There's there's no

559
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Speaker 8: resolution and there's no solution to the situation tanking. If

560
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Speaker 8: I if I got Lebron James from tanking, if I

561
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Speaker 8: got Michael Jordan or Magic Johnson from tanking, Cooper Flagg

562
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Speaker 8: from tanking, wim Bin Yama from tanking, if you tank

563
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Speaker 8: the best in that scenario, it could change the out

564
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Speaker 8: look in the outcomes.

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Speaker 6: For many, many, many moons.

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Speaker 8: How has this become such a conversation where there's such

567
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Speaker 8: vitriol connected to how it's discussed. That's what's the tap

568
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Speaker 8: bit confusing to me, because if you're trying to be

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Speaker 8: it's one thing if your team, you're trying to take

570
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Speaker 8: your team, and from day one we're tanking. It's like,

571
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Speaker 8: what with the reason for tanking from day one other

572
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Speaker 8: than to know that you could potentially get a win

573
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Speaker 8: Bin Yama in the next upcoming draft, which, by the way,

574
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Speaker 8: why would you tank if you if you don't know

575
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Speaker 8: what type of team you have coming into the season.

576
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Speaker 8: So I would assume you're going to start tanking at

577
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Speaker 8: some point in the season where it's like, oh, this

578
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Speaker 8: is not going to be a good year. And even

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Speaker 8: if the correlation of it we didn't have a good

580
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Speaker 8: year to year prior to oh we didn't have a

581
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Speaker 8: good year prior to that one? What has turned tanking

582
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Speaker 8: into such this boogieyman of a topic. That's why I'm

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Speaker 8: curious because I know is buying tickets. I get that, like, Okay,

584
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Speaker 8: it's for the fans. Maybe I get that, But isn't

585
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Speaker 8: that still a part of strategy to try and when.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think there's a few ways of

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Speaker 1: looking at it. The first is so you know, if

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Speaker 1: you do decide to tank, and you make it maybe

589
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Speaker 1: without saying it, pretty apparent, the fan base is gonna

590
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Speaker 1: know it's your ticket sales are gonna reflect that, like

591
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Speaker 1: ultimately as the owner, like, that's the decision you made.

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Speaker 6: This is the penalty you have to take, Like.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to stink and probably lose money for

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Speaker 1: that year in order to build back up and become

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Speaker 1: better down the road. You know, there's there's decisions that

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Speaker 1: business owners have to make that are somewhat similar in nature.

597
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Speaker 1: You know, maybe the way they go about investing some

598
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Speaker 1: of the capital back into the company or however they

599
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Speaker 1: go about you know, handling stuff. There's going to be

600
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Speaker 1: times where they have to take a short term hit

601
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Speaker 1: to try to build back, right, And that's essentially what

602
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Speaker 1: you're talking about. I mean, I think the idea or

603
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Speaker 1: the framework around tanking. The issue that most people have

604
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Speaker 1: with it is this is supposed to be an experience.

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Speaker 1: It's supposed to be something that you can be proud

606
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Speaker 1: of as a fan, Right, that team that you put

607
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Speaker 1: on their logo like you, it represents you, you represent them,

608
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Speaker 1: and there's that shared love for the sport, for the game,

609
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Speaker 1: for everything else, and you feel like if your team's

610
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Speaker 1: going out there not putting their best foot forward or

611
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Speaker 1: trying their hardest to it's like, well, why should I

612
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Speaker 1: give you my time? Why should I sacrifice my money

613
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Speaker 1: to come watch you or.

614
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Speaker 6: Root for you? I think that that's ultimately what it's about.

615
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Speaker 1: Why it's it's so frowned upon is Adam silver halfs

616
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Speaker 1: has to find ways of putting in protective mechanisms so

617
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Speaker 1: teams aren't able to just you know, throw in the

618
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Speaker 1: talent an entire season, ostracize their fan base, all in

619
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Speaker 1: the hopes of being able to get certain players to

620
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Speaker 1: be better.

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Speaker 6: The next year in the future.

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Speaker 1: Sure, which again, like you could sit there and say,

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Speaker 1: like if the fan base understood the plan, maybe half

624
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Speaker 1: the fan base or more than half would go along

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Speaker 1: with it and say we get it, like we get

626
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Speaker 1: we get it, Like like we've gone through seasons in

627
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Speaker 1: our life where we've got to go through a short

628
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Speaker 1: term pain to come out in a better long term outcome.

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Speaker 6: But I think for that for.

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Speaker 1: That time being, it's hard to sell you know, that product,

631
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Speaker 1: that brand that the team's trying to sell in the

632
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Speaker 1: short term, and that's what this is more about.

633
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Speaker 4: I just I think that's the problem. I think a

634
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 4: lot of these leagues or owners think the fans are dumb,

635
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Speaker 4: and so they try and gaslight you into thinking, Oh no, no, no, no, no, listen,

636
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Speaker 4: what you're seeing isn't the case. We mean it this time. No, no,

637
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Speaker 4: this is like we're really going for No, you're not. No,

638
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Speaker 4: You're like, you want to lose. You want to increase

639
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Speaker 4: your odds at getting the best player in the draft,

640
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Speaker 4: just like that made you want to win. Yeah, long term,

641
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 4: see what I'm saying, as long as you're going to win.

642
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Speaker 4: But they're but they're they're trying. They're trying to say

643
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Speaker 4: we care about the now, when the reality is, no,

644
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Speaker 4: you care about the next. That's like, whatever's what you're doing.

645
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Speaker 4: I can under if you would have just told do

646
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Speaker 4: you think Calves fans? Pratty's a Cavs fan. I think

647
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 4: everybody was under all sort of in agreement. Hey, we

648
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 4: know what's going on here, Like we want Lebron, we

649
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 4: get it. It Just like the Blazers are trying to

650
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Speaker 4: do the same thing. That's how that whole Chauncey billa

651
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 4: that was part of that, the whole Chauncey Billups tanking thing,

652
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Speaker 4: because they wanted went Bin Yama. They wanted to increase

653
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Speaker 4: their odds and try and get the best player in

654
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Speaker 4: the draft. The lottery I thought was to try and

655
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Speaker 4: not make it so you can manipulate it. Yeah, to

656
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Speaker 4: increase your odds, but there are times where teams with

657
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 4: the best odds don't end up with the best player.

658
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Speaker 4: But then you get situations like Patrick Ewing with the Knicks.

659
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Speaker 4: People still don't think that was on the up and up.

660
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Speaker 4: I've heard stuff about Lebron James. People still don't think

661
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 4: that was on the up and up. Like, there's just

662
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 4: the NBA has got too many red flags of things

663
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 4: out there with gambling and whatnot to where fans, I

664
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 4: think of the of the league look at it and go,

665
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 4: are you telling me the truth or feed me a

666
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 4: bunch of crap?

667
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 6: But hold on, hold.

668
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Speaker 1: On, Like you really think people go to NBA games,

669
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, they're not being honest. Like, I can't,

670
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: I can't bet, I can't believe in this game.

671
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, I think people go to NBA

672
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 4: games because they want to be entertained. And I think

673
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 4: there are certain fan bases that go there because they

674
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 4: really really care about the product and they want to

675
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 4: watch a winner. And I think there's other fan bases

676
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 4: that go there because they just want to be seen,

677
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 4: like they want to show people to do with what

678
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 4: you just said that okay, So my point is the

679
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 4: NBA is trying to present this idea that hey, we

680
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 4: know we got issues and we're really trying hard to

681
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 4: fix it. You're not like you're you're not trying hard

682
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 4: to fix it. Teams just come out and say this

683
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 4: is the plan, this is what's going forward. That's why

684
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 4: Mark Cuban coming out and saying, hey, man, tanking works

685
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 4: like I'm sorry this, but nobody wants to just be

686
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 4: honest about what the issues are.

687
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 8: And that's the bigger issue. To me, that's the bigger issue.

688
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 8: And you both touched on it. Just just I mean,

689
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 8: if a team is bad, a team is bad. Like

690
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 8: in basketball, I feel like it is more feasible to

691
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 8: have this conversation. I think tanking in football is egregious.

692
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 8: And the reason why I think it's egregious in football

693
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 8: is because one you have way less games and two,

694
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 8: when when talking about football, there's so many different players.

695
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 8: One player. I don't care how good that one player is.

696
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 8: One player will never make the entire team good. It's

697
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 8: not one player, not even Patrick Mahomes, not even Tom Brady,

698
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 8: not one player in the National Football League is the

699
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 8: is the catalyst of we will not lose, we will

700
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 8: win a championship because of that one person. In basketball,

701
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 8: it's very different. One person can impact an entire team,

702
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 8: one person both offensively and defensively, so the roles are different.

703
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 8: There's less people in basketball.

704
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 6: To me, To me, when you look at.

705
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 8: What the possibilities and the potential of what can happen

706
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 8: with one player being brought into your doors. If tanking

707
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 8: gets me Magic Johnson or Kareem abdul Jabbar, I'm tanking.

708
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 8: If my team is not good, I'm tanking. Now, let's

709
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 8: define tanking. You still have a pro feshional team. It's

710
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 8: a pro team. So when we say tanking, we're basically

711
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 8: saying who's ever playing out there on that court. Who

712
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 8: By the way, they're not tanking. I never met a

713
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 8: player that knew they were tanking, Like, hey, hey Brady,

714
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 8: are we tanking this week? Oh yeah, bruh, We're good

715
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 8: Like all right, bruh, Like.

716
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 4: Where we going? I don't know, but hey, you're not

717
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 4: away from here.

718
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 8: Nobody is in those locker rooms just oh yeah, we're

719
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 8: consciously we're tanking. Tanking is oh I have James Harten

720
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 8: on my team, I'm not playing them because I want

721
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 8: to trade them, and I'm.

722
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 6: Tanking the season.

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Speaker 8: To me, you still have other guys who are playing

724
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 8: their hearts out because they're playing for a job, they're

725
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 8: playing to try to win whatever it may be. Their

726
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 8: motivations are there. It's the coaches that are or or

727
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 8: the ownership that is making taking that active stance on

728
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 8: what tanking represents.

729
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 4: It's not like these guys are like, oh.

730
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, we got replacement guys from off the streets to

731
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 8: come in and play because we're tanking. Those are professionals

732
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 8: that are going out out there and playing and they're

733
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 8: unaware of the fact that, oh, we're supposed to be

734
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 8: losing this game. It's just that your team isn't winning.

735
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 8: They're not winning, and so by saying that you've impacted

736
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 8: the product and the experience, No, you have it. These

737
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 8: are professionals that are playing basketball out there. You might

738
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 8: not see the marquee names you might not see a

739
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 8: a list marquee name that's out there and they're sitting

740
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 8: on the bench or they're in street clothes. But hell,

741
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 8: Anthony Davis is always hurt. Are you saying it's tanking

742
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 8: because he's hurt more often than not, and he's not

743
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 8: in the games and he's not playing. Look at Zion

744
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 8: and everything he's gone through. He's been hurt and he

745
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 8: hasn't been out there. So when you get a marquee

746
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 8: player and he's not playing, I mean, he's not out there.

747
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 8: But you still have other pros. They are all pros.

748
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 8: If you can't help contribute the win, then why are

749
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 8: you on the roster? So to me, I feel like

750
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 8: it gets a little overblown when we throw out the

751
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 8: term tanking. It's been turned into this big villain of

752
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 8: a word. It's been turned into this horrible deal. That's

753
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 8: what I think.

754
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00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,960
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00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,120
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00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 4: pro of the week coming up here in about fifteen

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Speaker 4: minutes from now. It's a familiar name if you've been

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Speaker 4: listening to this show over the past several days, so

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Speaker 4: we'll get into that for you here on Fox Sports Radio.

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00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco's got a bit of a red ass. He

777
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 4: signed a one year deal to return to the Bengals

778
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 4: six million dollar deal, reportedly with incentives, it could get

779
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 4: up to nine million dollars, assuming that would be playing

780
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 4: time included with Joe Burrows, the starter that's always up

781
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 4: in the air, So maybe he gets to that full

782
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 4: nine million. But nonetheless, Joe Flacco is back. He is approaching,

783
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 4: i believe, his nineteenth season in the NFL, and he

784
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 4: had this to say at the press conference yesterday.

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Speaker 11: I feel like I have unfinished business as part of

786
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 11: why I'm still here and playing and doing all those

787
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 11: things and not being one of those guys to go

788
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 11: sign somewhere. Yeah, it pisses me off a little bit.

789
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 11: I feel like I can help a team win, and yeah,

790
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 11: maybe in a different role here, but I do still

791
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 11: think I can help this team and win in that role.

792
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 11: I had a lot of fun with Joe, and Joe's

793
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 11: the guy, and believe me, I wish I was a

794
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 11: guy somewhere, and I think teams are dumb for not

795
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 11: having me be that guy. But it is what it is,

796
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 11: and I'm not going to let me. I'm not going

797
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 11: to let them or it get me down. I'm going

798
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 11: to be the person I am and just approach football

799
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 11: the way I always have.

800
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 4: So is this agism? Did he just not get an

801
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 4: opportunity because he's this is what I love?

802
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 6: Is the headline reads a lot more vicious.

803
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: Than the sound bite, and it's it's why we tend

804
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: to lose sight of you know, how much tone reread

805
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: through text like did that really sound like he was

806
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: as fired up about it or everything else?

807
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 6: Compared to the headlines of what people have written.

808
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: No.

809
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: No, So it's like, all right, I mean, I think

810
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: he understands. Why is that where he's at. There's no

811
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: doubt it has to do with his age. Some people

812
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: might take issue with with how he's played, but he's

813
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: also been putting some pretty tough spots and he's bounced

814
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: around from team to team. I mean, hell, he's in

815
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, with Cincinnati and Cleveland last year, so he's

816
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: kind of coming in to help out, trying to learn

817
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: a new system on a whim, Like that's really really

818
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: hard to do. So I look, his mindset is exactly

819
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: what it still needs to be, is that when he

820
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: goes in there, he's going to have a chance for

821
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: opportune to win games. And that's the only way he

822
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: can think and look, he the only we can change

823
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: the perception about him is winning some football games.

824
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 6: But even then, what is he forty one years old?

825
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 4: Now?

826
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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, you know, at this age, it's going

827
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: to be hard to convince people to want to make

828
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: a long term investment like in you or have you

829
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: be their guy, Like even if you were the guy

830
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: to start the season somewhere else. So let's say the

831
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: New York Jets, for example, if that was the destination,

832
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: you you realize they're probably going to draft someone, right,

833
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: I mean at least, if not this year, next year.

834
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 6: So it's just no.

835
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Speaker 1: Matter where you go at this stage, you're going to

836
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Speaker 1: be looked at as a guy who's even just a placeholder,

837
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Speaker 1: even if you are the starter for a period of time.

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Speaker 4: I think that I tend to agree with that. Go it. Oh,

839
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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I think that Flacco's at a

840
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 4: point to where because I watched him play last year

841
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 4: and I'll ask you, guys, this, does he look that

842
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 4: much different from when he first came into the league,

843
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 4: Like it, I don't.

844
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 8: He ran?

845
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 7: He ran.

846
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: He ran when he first got in the league, more

847
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: than you think, as far as the attempts and stuff.

848
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 6: Per gam and they moved him more to throw, you know,

849
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 6: more than he has.

850
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: Like I know, it's not it doesn't look like a ton,

851
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 1: but he did used to move a little bit better

852
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: and more so than you think.

853
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 6: I mean, guess I understand where you're saying, though, or

854
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 6: where you're going.

855
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 4: He can, but he still slings at the same he

856
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 4: steps into as you mentioned, bad situations and plays really

857
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 4: really well. And I look at it and I go,

858
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 4: I can understand why the guy's frustrated because he's looking

859
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 4: at other quarterbacks getting an opportunity, thinking, wait, what you

860
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 4: need to tell me. I couldn't go in and beat

861
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 4: out Michael Pennix Junior or Tutuga bay Lowe at this

862
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 4: point in their career for a job. I probably could.

863
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 4: Kevin Stevanski knows that. That's why I looked at Atlanta

864
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 4: and said, hey, maybe that's a landing spot. But I

865
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 4: wonder if he finds himself in a situation where, hey, man,

866
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 4: his ceiling is still really high. He's through for almost

867
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 4: five hundred yards against the Bears last year. His ceiling's

868
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 4: really high. Maybe it's too high that you know, maybe

869
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 4: we'll let him just go back to Cincinnati and sit

870
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 4: on the bench, because if we win too many games,

871
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 4: we're going to be on the outside looking at one

872
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 4: of these top quarterbacks in the draft. Next year. Oh God,

873
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 4: he's too I think he's too a little too good

874
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 4: still at forty one years old.

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Speaker 8: I think Brady has the best point in the situation.

876
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Speaker 8: He's just too He's too old to attach your wagons

877
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 8: two for an extended amount of time, and that is

878
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 8: going to outweigh all the pros that are connected to

879
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 8: having him on your team. Is he a short term

880
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 8: Can he be a short term solution for success? Absolutely?

881
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Speaker 8: But when you bring in a guy like Joe Flacco,

882
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 8: I mean you're trying to either win immediately right now

883
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 8: in the initial and you'll take that opportunity, and you'll

884
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 8: take that chance, just like an example would be Philip

885
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 8: Rivers being brought in by the Colts, or you have

886
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 8: him there to be an extra set of eyes, an

887
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Speaker 8: on field coach, a mentor to the other guys that

888
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 8: are in in the meeting room. And I know we've

889
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Speaker 8: gotten into the conversations of how overstated and how overblown

890
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 8: that is, but it is valuable even if a guy

891
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Speaker 8: doesn't want to proactively help you develop as a pro.

892
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 8: Having a pro in the locker room, having a pro

893
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 8: in the meeting rooms, and you're getting the opportunity to observe,

894
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 8: like if I'm a co which I'm telling you, he

895
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 8: may not want to work with you to help you

896
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 8: be better, But that doesn't mean you can't watch what

897
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 8: he does, log the questions.

898
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 4: That he asked.

899
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Speaker 8: You know, if you get an opportunity, ask what he

900
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 8: put in his notebook? Can I see your notes? Compare

901
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 8: what you have going on? That's how you improve. And

902
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 8: I think that those are the value props that come

903
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 8: with a guy with the type of experience that Joe

904
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Speaker 8: Flacco has. But they're not looking at him to be

905
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Speaker 8: the guy. Those days are gone. I don't I would

906
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Speaker 8: safely say I do not think that Joe Flacco will

907
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Speaker 8: ever be brought in and be viewed and looked at

908
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Speaker 8: as you are the guy for this job. I think

909
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 8: that that ship has sailed hell.

910
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Speaker 4: Of a career though. Man, not a Hall of Famer,

911
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 4: but and still going. Damn good career.

912
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Speaker 6: Yeah, still going.

913
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Speaker 1: And agree dude, by the way, I mean, anyone who's

914
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: been around him, he's he. I mean, you can see

915
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: why the locker room probably you know, accepted him.

916
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 6: And so I commend the way they did.

917
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: And then clearly he understands too, like the culture in

918
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Speaker 1: the place he wants to be around.

919
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Speaker 6: And by the way, if you see him out at

920
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 6: a bar eating a.

921
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: Steak, you know, having a nice meal by himself, don't

922
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: bother him, all right, just let him, let him get

923
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: some peace and quiet and let him have a nice

924
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: meal to himself.

925
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 6: Okay, that's all the guy wants.

926
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fair. Yeah, like just trying to get away.

927
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: If you guys remember talking about this, but that that

928
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: guy's got him made.

929
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: Man.

930
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Speaker 1: So if you see Joe out there at the bar

931
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Speaker 1: there and Cincinnati, do't probably at Jeff Rubies or somewhere.

932
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Speaker 1: But if you see him down there, just let him

933
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: enjoy his meal, all right, piece and quiet.

934
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Speaker 4: Yeah, nothing better than what Jeff Rubies. Yeah, man, good

935
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 4: Andy Furman always bloviated about Jeff Ruby is incredible.

936
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, incredible.

937
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 4: Buddies with Jo we're gonna get you out more vibe.

938
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 6: It's a good vibe at that spot too.

939
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Speaker 4: Let's go to the derby man that all those horses

940
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 4: have Ruby steakhouse. Yeah, signs on their ass when the

941
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 4: runner back. That's where I did it on their flanks

942
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 4: where I did it in Kentucky flank's ass same thing. Huh.

943
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Speaker 4: By the way, Joe Flacco. Yeah, a little over forty

944
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 4: eight thousand career passing yards, puts some fourteenth all time,

945
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Speaker 4: So damn good career, top top twenty. And he's got

946
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl. Yeah, top twenty passing touchdowns and last

947
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 4: year was his first Pro Bowl. If you want to

948
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Speaker 4: consider that.

949
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Speaker 6: A Pro Bowl, that's wild.

950
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Speaker 4: But I mean he played, you know, in an era

951
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Speaker 4: with you know, Roethlisberger and Brady and Peyton Manning, so

952
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 4: he was.

953
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Speaker 1: Always kind of I still think, I mean, super MVP

954
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: obviously is up there. But the five games he started

955
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Speaker 1: for Cleveland, taking him in the playoffs back in twenty

956
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Speaker 1: twenty three, that was still some of the most fun.

957
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Speaker 1: It had to have been part of the highlight when

958
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Speaker 1: he looks back in his career, just how much fun

959
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Speaker 1: that was. I mean, he was absolutely slanging it too.

960
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he averaged over three yards a game.

961
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Speaker 1: It was absurd how well he played in that stint,

962
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: and just like the fact they needed him to and

963
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: he stepped up and also just hadn't played for Baltimore

964
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Speaker 1: for all those years. It's just that was a cool story,

965
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: Like that was one of the more fun years, one

966
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Speaker 1: of the more things I'll remember the most about his

967
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 1: career again outside of Super Bowl MVP and obviously him

968
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, playing for a long time in Baltimore.

969
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 6: But that was that was that was a cool year.

970
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 4: Also when he was when he won the game in Denver,

971
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 4: the playoff game, great game. That was when the Broncos

972
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Speaker 4: were at their heights, when they had Manning and all

973
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 4: those great weapons, and the Ravens went on that run

974
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Speaker 4: and Flacco went in and outdueled Peyton Manning in that

975
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 4: game at mile high and he threw who is the

976
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 4: receiver he threw?

977
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Speaker 6: Was it Jacoby Jones?

978
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Speaker 4: It might have been Jacoby Jacoby Jones that game.

979
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Speaker 1: Raheem Moore was a safety. Probably misplayed that. Yeah, unbelievable.

980
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Speaker 4: So Joe Flacco's back man and he's back in Cincinnati.

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