WEBVTT - What's Wright - NBA Playoff Reaction: Thunder to Finals, OKC ALL-TIME team? Knicks in danger vs. Pacers 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.159 Welcome in What's Right with Nick Wright Episode three thirty five, 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:07.920 As we have one half of the NBA Final set. 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:11.479 We did Tuesday's show as if that half of the 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:16.080 Finals was already set after Oklahoma City escaped in Game 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:21.320 four against Minnesota because we thought Game five might go 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:24.239 the exact way it did. We will get to that. 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.800 We will also get to Demanse. I mean, I don't 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:29.800 want to step on something. You're going to be asking 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:34.880 me in a moment, but Rick Richard Jefferson, Oh, Demonse's 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:38.479 not locked in right now. We have technical difficulties. If 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:40.440 you can hear me, great, If not, I'll just talk 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:47.680 to myself. The Richard Jefferson, I mean American hero getting 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:53.240 the what my take of the year name dropped during 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:57.200 a Conference finals broadcast. More on that in a moment. 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:00.360 First we'll get to what missed the cut? Demanse. Back 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.400 in it, I thought Demons was just uninterested in what 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.160 I was saying. Turns out he was. Look he was 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:10.200 texting furiously trying to get his audio working. But what 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:13.520 missed the cut? Today College Football twenty six cover has 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:17.280 been revealed. The Bears want Caleb to fix his body language. 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:21.200 That's a fair critique and somebody want a cheese rolling contest. 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:23.720 This is put that in the bucket of stories. The 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:27.640 producers wish I was interested in speaking. By the way, 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.640 he started to do this on the cheese rolling stuff, 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:32.840 I understand people are into it. I'm not into it. 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:37.240 I understand other people are into it. I should have 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:39.920 asked you guys this beforehand. Let me try this on 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:43.399 my own, on your guys in and on for our 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.160 people watching live on YouTube. And by the way, like great, 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.320 subscribe review there we go. For some reason, my return 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.720 was all fuzzy, but now it looks fine to me. Yeah, 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.040 subscribe on YouTube. I don't know. Are we up to 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:57.960 two hundred and ten thousand yet? We gotta be close. 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:00.600 I'm gonna I'm gonna check right now, we're doing it. 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:04.720 Subscribe on iTunes Spotify two hundred and seven thousand and change, 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:09.839 So that's good. I don't know when two fifty can 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:15.359 be expected. We'd love to get there by I don't know. 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.360 Thanksgivings, Oh, Thanksgiving. 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.280 I was gonna say Thanksgiving. Yeah, No, maybe you're right. 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.000 I'm just shooting. I'm just giving a you know, a 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:29.799 request out there. But let's get to an utterly and 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:34.359 thoroughly dominant game, which is, by the way, what the 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:38.920 thunder have been doing at home this entire postseason, which 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:42.040 was another thing we discussed on Tuesday. Demons go ahead. 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.360 Yeah, I just want to apologize for being childish and 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.200 asking if Minnesota could have potentially came back playing around 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:48.800 with that question. 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:50.840 Is obvious that that was not possible. 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:56.680 Alsten, Oklahoma City dominated Minnesota last night. The defense was humming. 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:00.360 All of OKC stars were looking good. I want to 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.800 talk about the probability of this being a dynasty. You 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.040 think they should hold the brakes on it or is 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:08.240 ODC gutting for here? Historically? 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:18.280 Well, listen, they are four wins away Demons from one 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:22.919 of the single greatest seasons in NBA history. Like that 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:28.160 part is that has to be There's two real metrics 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:33.000 for two hard metrics for how good your seat, like 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.960 how good your season was, and then some softer metrics. 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:40.040 But the first one is how many games did you win? 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:44.960 What was your record? And they have now become the 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:50.640 fourth team ever to enter the finals with eighty victories. 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:55.160 And now when we go long to long term history, 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:59.560 you got to recognize that the playoffs have expanded a 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:04.480 bit and changed but a shorthand. You know, the ninety 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:08.080 six Bulls who won seventy two regular season games did it. 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:13.680 The ninety seven Bulls who won sixty nine regular season 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:17.599 games did it. And the seventy three win Warriors who 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.600 won seventy three regular season games but did not win 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:24.039 the championship. They all did it. They all got to 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:30.560 eighty wins before the start of the NBA Finals. So 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.800 check off that box. As far as you know, that's 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.640 really a regular season stat. It means how many regular 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:39.880 season wins did you get, But we already knew sixty 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:47.520 eight wins. The list of teams to win more than 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:52.320 sixty eight games in a single season are those two 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:57.680 seventy the seventy two win Balls, the sixty nine win 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.760 Balls that I mentioned, the seventy three win war and 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:05.040 then one other team, the sixty nine Lakers that they 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:09.120 went on to win the championship. That's every team that 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:14.040 won more regular season games than these thunder The teams 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:19.800 to win sixty eight games are also at least well, 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:23.080 one of them is an all time team. The other 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:27.720 one came up short to the Knicks in the conference finals. 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.960 You have the eighty three Sixers, who I'm sorry, not 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:35.679 the eighty three sixers, the sixty seven sixers, the eighty 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.600 three sixers that were. I put them there because I 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.239 think they're one of the greatest teams ever, the faux 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.599 Fox Fox Sixers, but that was not they were not 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:49.520 the dominant regular season team. These teams were. And then 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.600 the seventy three Celtics, which came up short, and then 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:56.640 this thunder team. If we lower the threshold to sixty 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:01.400 seven wins, then it gets a little fuzzier because you 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.560 have some great teams and some not so great teams. 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:08.599 Sixty seven wins, the eighty six Celtics in the short 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:12.520 on the short list of greatest team of all time, Like, 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:17.400 that's pretty undeniable that you've got to at least include 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.480 them when you are discussing who are the greatest teams 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:22.479 of all time? The eighty six Celtics have to be 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:26.520 on that list. The ninety two Bowls, who I actually 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:33.560 think might be maybe the best of the Bulls teams 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.880 that finished off the first three peat. There's at least 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:43.920 an argument there. The two thousand Lakers, the first championship 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:50.960 with Shaq and Kobe, the twenty fifteen Warriors, which is 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:57.760 the first championship with Steph, the twenty seventeen Warriors, the 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:03.040 first championship with Stephan Durant, and then a couple teams. 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.839 One that gets kind of is a punchline, and the 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:10.640 other is an all time great team that ran up 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:14.040 against another all time great team. The punchline is the 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:18.600 seven MAVs who lost in round one after winning sixty 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.320 seven games. For that we believe Warriors, and the other 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:26.680 one is the twenty sixteen Spurs who just happened to 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:31.560 be it. I mean that team was unbelievable. They got 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:37.000 clipped in round two by the twenty sixteen Thunder who 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.280 then ran into the twenty sixteen Warriors, who then ran 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:44.320 into Pekee Lebron James. But so to do this quickly, 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:52.680 teams to win sixty seven plus you have first year 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:57.000 Steph won a title, first year Stephan kd won a 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:02.560 title together, you have the first year Shaq and Kobe 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:07.600 won a title. You have Jordan's Bulls the third time 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.120 they won a title, and the best Celtics team of 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.800 all time, the eighty six Celtics. Those are the sixty 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.360 seven win teams plus the two with that I just 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.160 mentioned that didn't win the title. The sixty eight win 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.920 teams are this year's Thunder, and then you add to 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:27.520 it the seventy three Celtics not you know, at a 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:31.600 disappointing playoffs, and then sixty seven six Ers with Wilt 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:36.120 won the title, and then sixty nine win teams Jordan's 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:40.200 Bowls the fifth championship, the Laker team that had the 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:44.280 thirty three game winning streak in seventy two, the ninety 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:49.600 six Bulls won seventy two, and then the Warriors the 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.680 seventy three win Warriors. So that's the company they keep. 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:57.360 So there's one kind of hard piece of data, how 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:01.040 many games did you win? The other one is were 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:06.480 you blowing people out? And teams that finished the year 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:15.000 with a ten plus point differential. It is last year's Celtics, 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:22.839 and then the eight Celtics, Kareem's Bucks in seventy one, 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:27.839 the Durant first year Durant Warriors, that other Warriors team 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:33.880 the first year they won the title, the Bowls a 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:40.520 couple times, and the Lakers in seventy two. The Thunder 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.400 beaten teams this year by almost thirteen points per game, 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:49.120 so they check both of the hard metric boxes. You 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:53.760 then add the kind of softer factors. How good was 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:57.080 the league in that time? I think the league's as 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:03.520 talented as it's ever been. What was their path to 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:08.000 the finals and to a championship? That one probably cuts 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:12.480 against them a bit. They are not going through legendary 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.960 opponents en route, and they won't face a legendary opponent 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:19.559 in the finals. They did, however, go through a legendary 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:24.280 player in Joker, and that was a classic seven game series. 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:30.640 Another kind of soft factor. Did they have an all 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:34.880 time player on their team all time? I don't know yet, 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:37.880 but the guy who had the best season this year 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:42.000 and Shae, Yeah they did. I mean, Shay was unbelievable 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:45.679 in the regular season, has been almost as good in 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:46.440 the playoffs. 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.240 Would not have would not have an all time player 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:50.880 make it a better feat. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.760 It might make it more impressive, but it's hard to argue. 0:10:56.360 --> 0:11:00.640 When you're talking about the best single seasons in NBA history. 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:04.040 It's and I left out some of the sixty six 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.319 win teams, and some of the best teams ever were 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:10.480 sixty six win teams. Lebron's Heat that had the twenty 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:16.120 seven game winning streak I mentioned earlier the eight Celtics, 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.120 which were awesome. Those were the margin of victories. I 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:23.320 mentioned Kareem's bucks that you know there are some a 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.600 couple Lakers teams, one with Magic, one with Kobe. Oh 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:30.040 those were sixty five, not sixty six, but it would 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.720 make it more impressive. Maybe demands. But when we're talking 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.480 about who the greatest teams of all time are, and 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.959 if we're trying to do the hypothetical if they were 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.600 to match up against each other, right right, you want 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.120 to be able to say our guy can at least 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:49.120 kind of look eye to eye with your guy. And 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:55.000 if your guy is peak Wilt Chamberlain or peak Michael Jordan, 0:11:55.679 --> 0:12:02.640 or peak Larry Bird, and my guy is Chauncey Billers 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.400 and again, and I'm just picking a team that won 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.000 the title, even though they're not in the all time 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:12.760 team discussion. That's gonna be a harder argument to make. 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.240 Shay is making an argument that he's building an all 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:20.120 time resume. It's a weird one because of how he 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.040 started and it was a slow progression, but he's just 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:26.720 gotten better and better and better every single year. So 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:32.760 I am okay with saying this is an all time 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:37.880 single season. I am not okay with saying this is 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:41.640 an all time team because what the other all time 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:48.200 teams had was stacked accomplishments, you know, multiple finals, appearances, 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:52.520 multiple championships, and the teams kind of bleed together. But 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:55.640 single season it's that. But that thing gets us to 0:12:55.679 --> 0:13:01.280 the point you were making. And I understand Pacer fans maybe, 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:06.560 or Nick fans even, or like, my god, you're acting 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.800 like they won the championship yesterday, And to that I 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.320 would say, no, I'm not. I actually acted like they 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:16.280 won the championship on Monday night, because to me, they 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:21.600 did that was the end of the competitive portion of 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:25.520 this year's NBA season. And that's not to say the 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.760 Pacers are the Knicks can't beat them in a game. 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:32.160 But when a team has home court and that team 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:39.920 beats people in the playoffs at home by fifty one, nineteen, 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:52.280 forty three, seven, thirty two, twenty six, fifteen, and thirty 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:58.000 with one loss coming on a buzzer beater, they're gonna 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:02.640 win the championship when they also are a team that 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:08.920 can if it were to happen. Demon's deal with injury 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.480 better than any other team, and now they can't deal 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.120 with an injury to Shay, But nobody can lose their 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:18.640 best player. They could, but they they could lose j 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:23.760 Dub or Chet and still win the championship. No much 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:27.040 less lose what I mean, go ahead? 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.240 Oh no, yeah, I don't know. I feel like Chet 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.560 is such a presence. Chet losing Check probably put them. 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.040 Oh, I think it would change them, but I wouldn't. 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.640 Like I wouldn't write them off any of these other 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.200 teams if they lost one of their three best guys, 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:47.640 you would basically just write them off. You couldn't do 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:49.880 it with this team because of how deep they are. 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:56.200 So I have and I'm not trying to give myself 0:14:56.280 --> 0:15:01.520 credit here, I am trying to reminded the audience. I 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:06.040 guess I was not one of the loud Thunder skeptics. Now. 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:09.520 I didn't pick them to win the championship because I 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:11.880 thought the Lakers could beat them. After I saw the 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:15.000 Lakers beat them in a game the Thunder wanted, and 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:18.160 then the Lakers play them to a tie until Luca 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.800 got kicked out, and I was like, Okay, I think 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:22.760 the Lakers are the one team that can give them 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:27.400 real problems. Maybe Boston. But I thought the Thunder were 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:32.120 a legitimate championship caliber team all year, and the moment 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:33.760 the Lakers went out, I said, I think they're going 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:39.920 to win the title. With all that said, I think 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:46.760 the dynasty talk is so silly, and I understand folks 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:51.640 argument is they are set up so well. And I 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:58.320 will just make the point that I made on Tuesday again. 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.800 We think think every team almost is set up so 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.720 well when they're in the midst of winning, and to 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:09.080 which some people will reply, yeah, but those teams weren't 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:14.880 as young. That's true that the Bucks in twenty twenty one, 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.720 or the Nuggets in twenty twenty three, or even the 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:24.200 Celtics last year weren't as young. However, with the Bucks 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:30.320 and the Nuggets, we did feel like their best player 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:36.600 was in already in once they won the title, the 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:42.320 historically great conversation, and Shay isn't quite in that yet. 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:45.480 Like we thought, yes, this Thunder team's younger, but we 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:51.600 thought that Giannis and Joker in that moment were a 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.360 tick above where Shay is in this moment. And the 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:59.120 other argument people are going to make is yes, but 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:03.640 the nugget it's for the Thunder, it's all that draft 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:08.560 capital that they have, and that is true, but it's 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:18.720 also a little misleading. So the Thunder's draft capital is 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:26.359 more quantity than quality. So I'm going to go through 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:31.120 it just too. And this is courtesy of real GM 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:36.560 to remind people what they have, because what you're going 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.480 to see is it's a ton of stuff, and it's 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.680 a ton of stuff that theoretically they could use in trades. 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:47.280 But it's not like, oh man, that could be the 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:52.640 third pick of the draft. Okay, so this year they 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.840 have the fifteenth pick for Miami and the twenty fourth 0:17:55.920 --> 0:18:00.600 pick from the Clippers. At least I think fact check 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.240 me in the because I don't have this year's pulled up. 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.160 Fact check me in the doc if I'm wrong about 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:11.400 this year. But they the then next year, what they 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:19.800 have They have Houston's pick next season protected one through four, 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:22.680 so Houston. We think Houston's going to be quite good 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:29.200 next year, So a late pick next year, and then 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.640 they have I want to make sure I get this right, 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:41.760 the Clippers pick next year. So I think the Clippers 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:46.560 showed us this year that they are going to be 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:52.240 at least a credible team, and so are those are 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:57.480 fine picks, but none of those appear or feel like 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:05.000 those are going to be uh, you know, lottery top 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.720 ten picks, right, And then they have Phillies pick next 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.000 year potentially, and again they only get two of these, 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:15.200 so these are the best ones they could get Phillies 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:18.760 pick if it falls outside of the top four and 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.280 Utah's pick if it falls outside of the top eight. 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.920 The moral of the story is next year they are 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:28.080 gonna have a bunch of extra picks, and they all 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.119 look like they are not going to be lottery picks 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:33.840 because Utah is the only team on that list that 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:37.320 is likely going to be in the lottery, and Utah 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:39.720 likely is going to be able to keep their pick 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:43.000 because it'll be in the top eight. In twenty twenty seven, 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:48.000 they again they get the Clippers pick, and that's unprotected. 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:54.679 Maybe that could be good maybe, And Denver's pick, which 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:59.200 assuming Joker doesn't retire, is not going to be that good. 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:06.280 And in twenty twenty eight they can swap with Dallas again. 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:10.640 Do we think Dallas, now that they have Cooper Flag 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:14.840 and Anthony Davis is there, that that's going to be 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:20.359 a top five pick. No, And then that's really I 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:24.240 think they have one more Denver pick later. But again, 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:27.080 unless we think Joker is going to retire. So the 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:30.640 point I'm making in a somewhat convoluted fashion is it's 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:35.040 a lot of stuff, but it's not great stuff. Now 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:40.000 the argument there would be demons. Yeah, but they can 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.600 package that stuff for a star. And that then gets 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:50.800 to to me the next interesting domino for the Thunder, 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:54.720 which is, yeah, are they going to want to be expensive? 0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:00.960 Are they going to want to for the first time 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:05.399 in franchise history, be a big luxury tax butt up 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:09.600 against the APRN type of team. And my answer to 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:13.440 that question is I don't see why they would now. 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:17.360 And you can say, well, they want to chick correct, 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:22.199 they didn't want to pay it then. And you can 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:24.480 be like, well, but now they've won a championship. That 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:28.080 could cut either way. Maybe you would be like, they 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:30.360 want a championship now they just want to win, win, win. 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:32.919 They also want to be like, we want a championship 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:35.600 without having a super expensive team, so why do we 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:41.320 need one? And so it is a different NBA guys, 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:50.439 and it's a different NBA. Also in this regard the 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:56.840 onl like the guys who have reeled off a bunch 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:04.960 are guys who are top ten all time players. The 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:08.800 one guy who is pretty consensus outside of the top 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:15.880 ten who reeled off even two is Isaiah Thomas, and 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:19.920 he's firmly in the top twenty, but outside the top ten. 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:27.040 So Joker would have checked those boxes. Little unlucky some 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:33.919 Jamal Murray's injuries, you know, Jannis could have potentially little unlucky. 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:38.120 Uh didn't have you know, this type of pick bounty though, 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:40.800 to be fair in Milwaukee to make up for some 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:45.440 of those mistakes. And I'm not saying Shay is not Shaye. 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:48.520 I said all year was the MVP. But it is 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:57.800 surprising to me how many people who a month ago 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:03.880 were quite convince the Celtics were about to reel off 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:07.800 a bunch of championships are now convinced the thunder are 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:10.919 about to reel off a bunch of championships. And so 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:18.959 I you know too long, didn't listen all time single 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:25.720 season team. Yes, set up pretty well for the future. Yes, 0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:33.720 going to win this championship without a doubt. Yes. Ready 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:39.080 to pencil them in for multiple titles. No, So that's 0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:43.520 where I land on Oklahoma City. They will be in 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:48.920 the mix for years to come. But as a lot 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:53.680 of teams can attest in the mix doesn't really buy 0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:56.119 you anything in the modern NBA. 0:23:56.680 --> 0:23:59.480 So if they were in the same situation next year, 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:03.439 you'd be a little bit more at it or ready. 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:07.040 To call it a dynasty. I think, oh, yeah. 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:10.199 They're back in the finals next year, because that's the 0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:16.920 other thing. We haven't had a defending champ make the finals. 0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:22.520 We haven't had a defending champ make round three since 0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:27.000 the Durant Steph Warriors. Think about that. We haven't had 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:32.160 a defending champ even come close to defending their championship 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:37.760 in seven years. So yeah, if they were Hell, if 0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:40.760 they just get back to the conference finals next year, 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:45.280 that'll be noteworthy. We haven't had anybody do. 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:47.359 It, right, I don't see any reason. 0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:49.720 I feel like, Okay, so he's more likely to have 0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:52.560 learned their last lesson from breaking up their last Big 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:56.520 three than to straight I don't want to think. I 0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:58.359 don't think they're more players on top of. 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:00.880 It, correct. I don't think are going to break this 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:04.560 crew up between now and next year. My guess is 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:08.520 they run it back. But so did Boston, so did Milwaukee. 0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:11.000 You're like, you know what I mean, Like most of 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:15.520 these TEAMSS did exactly that the defense has been great. 0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:17.480 All right, what let's do some follow ups here? 0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:20.560 Do you think SGA, JAB and CHET are the best 0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:22.000 trio in the league right now? 0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:29.720 It's it's not only demands and I should have probably 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:33.480 prepped this question a little more. It's not only that 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:35.000 I think they're the best trio. 0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:38.600 Yeah, I mean, there's really no other trios. 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:42.920 Right, That's the thing, Like, who like the other teams 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:45.399 that would argue they have a trio? I guess the 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:50.439 Calves like it's a it's a trio. Boston is a 0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:53.480 duo with really good supporting. 0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:56.000 That's what dat want to throw Derek White in there, 0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:57.280 like maybe. 0:25:56.920 --> 0:26:00.400 Yeah, but yeah, but it's not you know, I mean, 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:05.560 like the Knicks are a duo. The Pacers are, in 0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:09.800 my opinion, a duo. Like again, I like their supporting 0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:16.320 cast a lot, but to me, the trademark of a trio. 0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:19.359 I'm kind of making this up on the fly, but 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.680 I just thought of it. It makes sense. It's where 0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:26.560 there's a real argument on who the second best guy 0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:29.520 is that there could be, you know what I mean 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:34.160 like that some nights it's one like so the the 0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:39.200 Bucks win healthy are a duo. Right, and then we 0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:44.320 go to the West. The Rockets, I don't even know 0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:47.920 if they're a like they have shingoon and a bunch 0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:51.960 of really nice complimentary pieces. The Lakers are a duo, 0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:55.280 like there is. Austin Reeves is a nice third player, 0:26:55.720 --> 0:26:58.639 but we know who their top two guys are. 0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:01.280 Say it again, The Maps could end up being a 0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:01.960 trio next. 0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:05.000 Year because a Cooper flag. 0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:09.159 Yeah, but they unless you want to say Kyrie is 0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:10.520 getting a little older. 0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:13.159 Well, remember Kyrie is going to be out. 0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:15.400 Next season at all. 0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:17.159 I didn't know, well, I mean he was out for 0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:20.480 next season entirely. Well no, no, no, he's not out for 0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:22.320 all of next season. But I mean he tore his 0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:26.159 acl you know, at with a month left in this season, 0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:28.000 so he's going to be out at least in the beginning. 0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:31.639 But the Nuggets are a duo, The Clippers are a duo. 0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:35.240 The Warriors are a duo that you know what I mean, 0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:39.000 like eies. So there are no It's not only that 0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:42.400 the Thunder or the best trio. The Thunder might be 0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:45.920 the only trio. And then there's the Calves, who are 0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:53.119 really a quartet because of Donovan Garland Mobley and Allen, 0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:56.480 but it doesn't quite work. It would appear you know what. 0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:59.640 So yeah, they are clearly the best trio. 0:27:59.400 --> 0:27:59.840 In the league. 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:04.199