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Speaker 1: Welcome in What's Right with Nick Wright Episode three thirty five,

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Speaker 1: As we have one half of the NBA Final set.

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Speaker 1: We did Tuesday's show as if that half of the

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Speaker 1: Finals was already set after Oklahoma City escaped in Game

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Speaker 1: four against Minnesota because we thought Game five might go

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Speaker 1: the exact way it did. We will get to that.

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Speaker 1: We will also get to Demanse. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to step on something. You're going to be asking

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Speaker 1: me in a moment, but Rick Richard Jefferson, Oh, Demonse's

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Speaker 1: not locked in right now. We have technical difficulties. If

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Speaker 1: you can hear me, great, If not, I'll just talk

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Speaker 1: to myself. The Richard Jefferson, I mean American hero getting

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Speaker 1: the what my take of the year name dropped during

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Speaker 1: a Conference finals broadcast. More on that in a moment.

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Speaker 1: First we'll get to what missed the cut? Demanse. Back

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Speaker 1: in it, I thought Demons was just uninterested in what

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Speaker 1: I was saying. Turns out he was. Look he was

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Speaker 1: texting furiously trying to get his audio working. But what

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Speaker 1: missed the cut? Today College Football twenty six cover has

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Speaker 1: been revealed. The Bears want Caleb to fix his body language.

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Speaker 1: That's a fair critique and somebody want a cheese rolling contest.

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Speaker 1: This is put that in the bucket of stories. The

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Speaker 1: producers wish I was interested in speaking. By the way,

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Speaker 1: he started to do this on the cheese rolling stuff,

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Speaker 1: I understand people are into it. I'm not into it.

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Speaker 1: I understand other people are into it. I should have

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Speaker 1: asked you guys this beforehand. Let me try this on

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Speaker 1: So that's good. I don't know when two fifty can

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Speaker 2: Thanksgivings, Oh, Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say Thanksgiving. Yeah, No, maybe you're right.

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Speaker 1: I'm just shooting. I'm just giving a you know, a

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Speaker 1: request out there. But let's get to an utterly and

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Speaker 1: thoroughly dominant game, which is, by the way, what the

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Speaker 1: thunder have been doing at home this entire postseason, which

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Speaker 1: was another thing we discussed on Tuesday. Demons go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want to apologize for being childish and

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Speaker 3: asking if Minnesota could have potentially came back playing around

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Speaker 3: with that question.

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Speaker 2: Is obvious that that was not possible.

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Speaker 3: Alsten, Oklahoma City dominated Minnesota last night. The defense was humming.

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Speaker 3: All of OKC stars were looking good. I want to

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Speaker 3: talk about the probability of this being a dynasty. You

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Speaker 3: think they should hold the brakes on it or is

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Speaker 3: ODC gutting for here? Historically?

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, they are four wins away Demons from one

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Speaker 1: of the single greatest seasons in NBA history. Like that

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Speaker 1: part is that has to be There's two real metrics

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Speaker 1: for two hard metrics for how good your seat, like

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Speaker 1: how good your season was, and then some softer metrics.

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Speaker 1: But the first one is how many games did you win?

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Speaker 1: What was your record? And they have now become the

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Speaker 1: And now when we go long to long term history,

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Speaker 1: you got to recognize that the playoffs have expanded a

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Speaker 1: bit and changed but a shorthand. You know, the ninety

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Speaker 1: six Bulls who won seventy two regular season games did it.

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Speaker 1: The ninety seven Bulls who won sixty nine regular season

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Speaker 1: then one other team, the sixty nine Lakers that they

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Speaker 1: You have the eighty three Sixers, who I'm sorry, not

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Speaker 1: Sixty seven wins, the eighty six Celtics in the short

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Speaker 1: but the guy who had the best season this year

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Speaker 1: and Shae, Yeah they did. I mean, Shay was unbelievable

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Speaker 2: Would not have would not have an all time player

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Speaker 2: make it a better feat.

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Speaker 1: It might make it more impressive, but it's hard to argue.

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Speaker 1: When you're talking about the best single seasons in NBA history.

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Speaker 1: It's and I left out some of the sixty six

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Speaker 1: those were sixty five, not sixty six, but it would

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Speaker 1: Shay is making an argument that he's building an all

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Speaker 1: But when a team has home court and that team

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Speaker 1: Dub or Chet and still win the championship. No much

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Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, I don't know. I feel like Chet

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Speaker 3: is such a presence. Chet losing Check probably put them.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think it would change them, but I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't write them off any of these other

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Speaker 1: you would basically just write them off. You couldn't do

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Speaker 3: And more liabilities on New York's defense than the Pacers

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Speaker 3: offense on Okay, see.

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Speaker 1: That there's no question about all right, we should have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so last night you got a shout out on

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Speaker 3: the broadcast. Richard Jefferson came out and said Nick Wright

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Speaker 3: It's an automatic, it's an automatic review. So how did

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, shout out, r J.

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Speaker 2: Shout out.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, little known fact in the first

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Speaker 1: studio guest a handful of times. Yeah, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: Richard Jefferson used to come in studio with us. I

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Speaker 1: like him a lot, Yeah, I like him a lot.

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Speaker 1: But he and I, he and I haven't like talked

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Speaker 1: I'm not at as when I go to NBA games,

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Speaker 1: I have tickets, not press passes, so I can't get

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Speaker 1: down on the floor. And you know, he and I

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Speaker 1: Doris Booth has gotten a little too much flack, especially

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Speaker 1: when and now again it might be for me it's

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Speaker 1: just a nice respite from the Reggie commentary. But I I.

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Speaker 2: Like him on the trio him too.

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Speaker 1: People are wistful about Van Gundy and Jackson, like but

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Speaker 1: Van Gundy, Jackson and Breen worked together for so long,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean that they had such a

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Speaker 1: But set that aside. Richard Jefferson bringing to a massive

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Speaker 1: audience the idea that hey, let guys challenge when they

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Speaker 1: want to challenge. And I don't think Breen initially totally

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Speaker 1: understood it, because Breen was.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh no, I.

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Speaker 1: But I think Breen didn't necessarily, I mean, because RJ

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Speaker 1: couldn't explain it in full in that moment, and then

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Speaker 1: same limited amount of challenges one wrong or two maximum.

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Speaker 1: So I think Breen's initial reaction was, Man, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be challenging every play, which is why he had such

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Speaker 1: an allergy to it. But when you again, there's a

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Speaker 1: sometime it's not often, it's a little often, but it's

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Speaker 1: not always. I have an idea and I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is people are going to immediately respond to this.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I think they're going to respond negatively, and sometimes like,

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Speaker 1: people are going to love this, And it is really gratifying.

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Speaker 1: In such a uh populated take landscape, where there's so

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Speaker 1: many people giving so many opinions at all hours of

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Speaker 1: every day, it's very hard to actually say something no

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Speaker 1: one is said and so yeah, and so the fact

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Speaker 1: that I was able to kind of plant my flag

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Speaker 1: on that and then have RJ publicize it to a

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Speaker 1: wider audience.

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Speaker 3: Right, Cloye, absolutely, And I haven't even played our Let

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Speaker 3: me try to see if I can get our friend

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Speaker 3: of the pod, Michelle Roberts, to set up a meeting

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Speaker 3: with me and Commissioner Silver to.

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Speaker 1: Just pitch a few of these ideas. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: go to the Minnesota side of things.

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Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, So Minnesota they got their butts whipped

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Speaker 3: last night in the Western Conference Finals for a second

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Speaker 3: year in a row. Do we think that this is

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Speaker 3: their ceiling that they need add any pieces? What's going

498
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Speaker 3: on here? Can they break through?

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Speaker 1: Well? No, I this clearly is this iteration of this

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Speaker 1: team ceiling, Like that's obvious. But the way they get

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Speaker 1: to a higher level is ant improofs. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: putting this series like on ant For as good as

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Speaker 1: Julius was the first two rounds, he kind of came

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Speaker 1: crashing back down to earth in the Conference finals, which

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Speaker 1: is a bummer. And you know, Minnesota already cleaned up

506
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Speaker 1: their book looks a bit by trading towns, like the

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Speaker 1: town's trade was somewhat about shaking the snow globe, But

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Speaker 1: it was also about getting off that contract. Now they're

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Speaker 1: in a tricky spot because I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people thought Julius Randall was going to opt in to

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Speaker 1: his thirty one million dollars next year. Was he good

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Speaker 1: enough in this playoffs that he opts out and looks

513
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Speaker 1: for a longer deal, and does Minnesota want to give

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Speaker 1: that to him? I don't. Nas Reed is definitely opting

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Speaker 1: out and definitely getting money from somewhere. I think they're

516
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Speaker 1: not going to be able to keep both of those guys,

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Speaker 1: but what they do have, and then also Nikhil Alexander

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Speaker 1: Walker is also it could heal leave That's a question mark.

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Speaker 1: But Ant is locked, go Bet is locked, Jaden is locked,

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Speaker 1: Dante is locked. Conley has got one year left, assuming

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Speaker 1: he doesn't. I mean, he could retire, but that would

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Speaker 1: just be him giving up eleven million bucks. Rob Dillingham

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Speaker 1: their draft pick from this year. You know he'll be back,

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Speaker 1: and I like Terren Shannon another draft pick. So I

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Speaker 1: think they are, you know, positioned fine. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: acting as if Aunt let him down or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: My point is the way they get to the next

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Speaker 1: step is their twenty three year old be better in

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Speaker 1: year twenty four than he was in year twenty three,

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Speaker 1: and that this is this is a point that I

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Speaker 1: that I made yesterday on TV, but I want to

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Speaker 1: make it again here. When Shay was Aunt's age, he

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Speaker 1: had won zero playoff games. When Yiannis and Jokic were

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Speaker 1: Ant's age, they had never been to a conference finals.

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Speaker 1: So it I don't think it's fair to act like

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Speaker 1: Ants anything other than ahead of schedule. I also think

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Speaker 1: it would be silly to act like he doesn't for

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Speaker 1: them to get to the next level. He doesn't need

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Speaker 1: to improve, but he said as much after now, after

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Speaker 1: want to get it wrong because it was a very

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Speaker 1: interesting quote. Ant said, I have it right here. Dusty

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Speaker 1: put it in our First Thing's First rundown because it's

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Speaker 1: one of the things we're talking about today. A Aunt

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Speaker 1: was asked, you know about how much this hurts, and

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Speaker 1: he said, quote, I don't know why people would think

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Speaker 1: I get to do it a whole bunch of times.

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Speaker 1: I'm hurt, more so for Mike, Mike Conley, who was

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Speaker 1: sitting next to him. I came up short for Mike.

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Speaker 1: We tried last year, we couldn't get it. We tried

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Speaker 1: again this year. We'll try again next year. But hurt

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Speaker 1: he went on to say I'm gonna work my butt

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Speaker 1: But the reality is at twenty three, compared to where

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Speaker 3: So you said on Tuesday you expected New York to

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Speaker 2: Three to one. Now did the Knicks below their best opportunity?

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Speaker 1: so I don't look at it that way. What I

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00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 1: do look at it for the Knicks is doing what

647
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: they did against Boston and then not being able to

648
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: close the deal and at least get to the finals

649
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: is going to feel very painful, but it is noteworthy

650
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: that that is how this has gone the last two years.

651
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: Looks like we're gonna have three years in a row

652
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: where a team executes a pretty shocking upset and I

653
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: don't even know if it's shocking, but executes an upset

654
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: of the defending champ in round two and then gets

655
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: pretty easily dispatched in round three. The Lakers beat the

656
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: Warriors in round two when the Warriors were the defending champs,

657
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: and then got swept in the conference finals. The Timberwolves

658
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: beat the Nuggets in round two and then lost in

659
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: five in the conference finals. The Knicks beat the Celtics

660
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: in round two and are now down three to one

661
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: in the Conference finals. Particularly when it comes to the

662
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: Knicks beating the Celtics and the Timberlves beating the nugg

663
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: it's you do feel like was there a bit of

664
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Speaker 1: an exhale after winning those series and then the other

665
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: team jumped out on you. The question for the Knicks

666
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: is are they going to simply run this team back

667
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: next year? We can discuss that more if and when

668
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: their season ends. Well I shouldn't say if. At some

669
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: point this season's gonna end, but when their season ends,

670
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: the question for me is can they win tonight? And man,

671
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta think the Knicks at some point

672
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: are gonna just play a really good start to finish game.

673
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: They haven't done that yet this series. Even the game

674
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: they won, they were not really good start to finish.

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00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: You also have to think or at least. I would

676
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: think that the Knicks that MSG tonight gives and they

677
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: haven't been that good at home in these playoffs, gives

678
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: them a little boost of energy and with the fans

679
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: having been so good for them all year, that they

680
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: don't want to go out like that. And so some

681
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: of the stuff to me is fixable in that even

682
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: after makes you have to get back on defense because

683
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: the Pacers are going to try to run, and you

684
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: have to take a better do a better job taking

685
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 1: care of the ball, and it is it's really if

686
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: you're a Knicks fan, it's been really frustrating to see

687
00:47:55,080 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: how many opportunities they've had in various moments in the series.

688
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: There are there's and they sorry I sound a little

689
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: distracted though, because we're having slight internet issues, just so

690
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: our producers know, there's the there's nobody on the Wi

691
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: Fi or anything. There's nothing that there's there's no way

692
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: to fix what we're dealing with right now. The the

693
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: Knicks have had I know everyone's going to point to

694
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: Game one, and Game one was a historic meltdown. Like

695
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: we talked about it in the moment, We've never seen

696
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: anything like it. But even outside of Game one, we're

697
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: yet to see them put four good quarters together. Game two,

698
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 1: they just they did a good job shutting down Halliburton.

699
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: They couldn't shut down Siakam at all, and they let

700
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: the Pacers jump out after it's close. Throughout, the Knicks

701
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: lose concentration or let go of the rope, or the

702
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: Pacers are just better for the opening few minutes of

703
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, and that's how they win Game three,

704
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: which which the Knicks do win. The Pacers are dominating

705
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,959
Speaker 1: that game. The Knicks don't play well for the first

706
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: three quarters, Kat goes crazy and the Knicks steal it.

707
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: Game four, the Pacers are in control really the entirety

708
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: of that game. And now that the Knicks. For a

709
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: moment it was like, oh, man, are the Knicks going

710
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: to do to the Pacers in Game four what the

711
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: Pacers did the Knicks in Game one? But there's a

712
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: reason that had never been done in the NBA history.

713
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: It's very very hard to do. The Knicker yet to

714
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: put four great quarters together.

715
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: Now and dealing with the Celtics team where the Pacers

716
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 3: are good late in these games.

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00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: It's like that's a good point there.

718
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 3: Late at the end, the Pacers can take care of business. No,

719
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 3: that's a good difference. They'll shut themselves out of it.

720
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 3: The Pacers will make the right play.

721
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: And the other thing is the Pacers are just going

722
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: so fast, so consistently that late in these games they're

723
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 1: used to it and the Knicks aren't. And so I listen,

724
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: I'll go down with the ship. I'll pick the Knicks tonight.

725
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: And then Game six becomes absolute theater to see if

726
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: the Knicks can force a Game seven. But the it

727
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: is when you actually demands. As odd as this sounds,

728
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: when you actually go back and look at the Knicks

729
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: this postseason, there aren't many instances of them playing four

730
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: awesome quarters, like the close out game against the Celtics

731
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: is the one. But they listen. They blew out the

732
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 1: Pistons in Game one, but they were down going into

733
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter of that game. Their other victories in

734
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: that series were by two points, one point, three points

735
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: celt There are three wins against the Celtics before Game six.

736
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: They were down fifteen in all of them, twenty and

737
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: two of them. And so like it has been, we

738
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: are seeing little instances of why the Nicks struggled against

739
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: the best teams in basketball all year long, and to

740
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 1: your point, they're now playing a team that can match

741
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: their clutch late and it hasn't turned out well for him.

742
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: I still don't think the Pacers are, you know, gentlemen

743
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: sweep better than the Knicks, which is why I think

744
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: the Knicks and win tonight. But they certainly have looked

745
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: like overall clearly the better team. All right, let's go

746
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: to Halliburton.

747
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, so Halliburton just went god mode the other day.

748
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 3: So he had thirty two, fifteen and twelve with zero turnovers.

749
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 3: Do you believe that he could be the best player

750
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 3: on a championship team.

751
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 1: In today's NBA?

752
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 2: Yeah?

753
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't don't take this the wrong way.

754
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: I don't think this version of Halliburton is substantially worse

755
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: than last year's version of Tatum. Like you know what,

756
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: I like, we just saw like the that and see

757
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: it right like they're yeah, it was very different. I mean,

758
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: they're dlastically different players. But I'm just saying, like when

759
00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: we're tearing out the players, I don't think this version

760
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: of Haliburton is drastically different than the twenty twenty two

761
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: version of Steph. I mean they are very different players.

762
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: But it's just as far as like caliber, caliber of player. Now, listen,

763
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: peak Steph is a totally different animal entirely. But that's

764
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: the version of Steph that won the championship in twenty

765
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: twenty two is lesser than the you know, peak Steph Curry.

766
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: And so in today's NBA we have we have to

767
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: adjust for what it takes to win a championship in

768
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 1: the you know what's somebody on Twitter maybe smartly coined

769
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: as you know, it's not the Big Three era, it's

770
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: not the Superstar era. It's the weak link era, meaning

771
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: like do you have can you consistently put out five

772
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: quality players, four of which can defend? And that's the

773
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: other problem for the Knicks is, and this was the

774
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: worry when you traded for Towns is what if your

775
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: two best players are both real minus defenders. And Halliburton's

776
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: game on what night was that Tuesday night? That was

777
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: an all time game. A thirty point triple double with

778
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: zero turnovers in the playoffs has had been done one

779
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: time ever and it was by Baron Davis, oddly enough,

780
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: and it was to put a stranglehold on a series

781
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: to go to the finals. And so it's a hurky

782
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 1: jerky game. It's a weird game. The set shot is odd,

783
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: but he's awesome and it's you know, it's why he

784
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: got a spot in Club Superstar was not that game,

785
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: but his awesomeness. And we can get to that now.

786
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you unveiled your latest rendition of Club Superstar

787
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 3: and he took Donovan. You put hot Donovan, Mitchell in

788
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 3: and Hallean for the first time.

789
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: You took Embiid in ad out. Could you explain to us.

790
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 3: Your process and how the club management goes about getting

791
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 3: these guys in and out.

792
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah so all right, so tell me. So, here are

793
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: the twelve guys in and we can put the graphic

794
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: up Halliburton, Brunson, Joker, Shay Luca, Jannis braun Steph, Donovan,

795
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: Durant and Tatum. It's a twelve person max, So if

796
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: you want to put someone in, you got to kick

797
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: someone out. We took out Embiid because of all the

798
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: injury stuff and ad for similar reasons. You might be like, then,

799
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: how does Tatum stay in? Tatum has been so consistent

800
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: and so durable that you know, one season long injury

801
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: does not get him kicked out like his spot is secure. Uh,

802
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,479
Speaker 1: you seem to have I mean the heart. His call

803
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: was Donovan.

804
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell surprised me.

805
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so who would you? Would you have any of

806
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: those guys in over him?

807
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 2: That's what I was I was trying to think of.

808
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, Anthony Davis is the because.

809
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 1: In line was Wimby, Cade Shingoon and Devin Booker. Wimby

810
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: is the obvious next guy in. But he's got to

811
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: actually do it, you know what I mean, He's got

812
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: to actually earn his way in, and so I I

813
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: you know, we did.

814
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 2: A good job with and all that. Yeah, I understand

815
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 2: how Donovan Mitchell slips in there.

816
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, can you hear me? Sol dem On say yes,

817
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: I've got you. Okay, good, Sorry about that. My I

818
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: knocked my AirPod out of my ear. I mean, AD

819
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: is a tough one. And the argument against Donovan is,

820
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, eight years in the league, in the playoffs

821
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: every year, never in round three. It's hard, though, to

822
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: use that as an argument to put a DN over him,

823
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: because do I think Donovan could have you know, made

824
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: a conference finals or an NBA finals alongside Lebron like AD?

825
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: Did I do like whenn ad was the guy he

826
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: never got passed round one. It's a tricky spot. Donovan

827
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: is for a guy who hasn't been deep in the playoffs,

828
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: he's not a playoff dropper, Like you know what I mean?

829
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: He puts up huge numbers, and Brew raised the question,

830
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: do we not have twelve superstars?

831
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 2: Right? That's the other thing I was kind of but

832
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 2: go ahead.

833
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 3: It's just like no good team. Was just looking around

834
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 3: at the teams. I'm like, who can get in over

835
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 3: this guy? But it's like it's a little right.

836
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: It's a weird because the league is so deep on

837
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: really good players, but maybe a little thin on great

838
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: great players. Because the other argument was should Kevin Durant

839
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: be out? And my answer to that question is he's

840
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: such an iconic player who still plays at a high

841
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: enough level. I don't feel comfort He's still twenty seven

842
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: a game, you know what, I don't feel comfortable yeah,

843
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: taking him out? So to me, those are the twelve

844
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: What are your follow ups here?

845
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

846
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 2: I care to explain how Joki took Lebron's throne.

847
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: That was an editorial choice made by the artist Jack Perkins,

848
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: who does a great job. You can followhim on Twitter

849
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: at Pure Hoop and listen, I give him the lists,

850
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: he makes the picture. I gotta tell you, I wasn't

851
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: thrilled with seeing Lebron out of the throne, but I

852
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: guess jokers earned it for now. But yeah, that was

853
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: not I didn't trust me. I didn't I didn't demand that.

854
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: Now I did hear that. I'm okay with Lebron being

855
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: moved out of the throne because he's no longer in

856
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: the argument for the best player in the league. Mike

857
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: pal Simmons yesterday did a top fifteen player pyramid and

858
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: didn't have Lebron on that. Now that's an outrage, Like

859
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: that's just objectively that. Here's the thing about the Lebron

860
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: rankings that is so irritating to me. At times, people

861
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: keep prematurely downgrading him because of his age when we

862
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: just saw it. He just finished sixth in MVP voting, sixth.

863
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: He just finished firmly second team All NBA. So why,

864
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: all of of a sudden, is he not one of

865
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: the fifteen best players in the league. Like you, the

866
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: Lebron is anywhere you you could fairly argue for Lebron

867
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: to be as high as fifth and as low as

868
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: tenth best player in the league. But that's it. And

869
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: the what is frustrating to me about Bill's ranking specifically,

870
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: is the he still has Steph Curry as like the

871
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: seventh best guy. There's no there's there's no way to

872
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: look at this NBA season and say Steph was better

873
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: than Lebron, not by stats, not by team record, not

874
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: by individual accolades, not by any of it. Now you

875
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: can say his team made it one round further in

876
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: the playoffs, so be it that that part is true,

877
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: But that's it was that, but that team also was

878
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: and be like, well, how much of Lebron's team success

879
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,919
Speaker 1: this year was because they traded for Luca. STEP's team

880
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: was sub five hundred when they traded for Jimmy Like,

881
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: that's a weird one for me. But set that aside.

882
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: Lebron obviously still superstar. Steph's obviously still a superstar. And

883
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's where we're at all, right.

884
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 3: Next, do you think that Halliburton still would you have

885
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 3: still given him a spot if he would have lost

886
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 3: in round one?

887
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: No? Now, I submitted this list before round one was over.

888
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: I submitted this list. I took a screenshot of it

889
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: yesterday to send to Gianna of when I submitted this list.

890
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: I submitted this list May seventh. So let's see where

891
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: we were in the playoffs on May seventh. I've got

892
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: to I can pull that up quickly. So when I

893
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: submitted this list, we were the games that had just

894
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: been played. Is the Pacers had just taken a two

895
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: to zero lead on the Caves. Oh, so that's interesting.

896
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: I didn't even realize that I submitted this list the

897
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: morning after Halliburton executed that insane comeback on the Calves.

898
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: And so maybe I, you know, maybe I was kind

899
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: of in the afterglow of that. But he's proven me

900
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: right by his performances throughout. And the other thing is

901
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: so no losing in round one. No, but had they

902
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: ended up losing in round two, I would have still

903
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: been comfortable with it. All right, go some more follow

904
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: ups here before.

905
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 3: So Wimby, it sounded like you had said, you said,

906
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 3: Wimby's got to do. It isn't intentional him being walking

907
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 3: inside of the club, Well.

908
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: It seems inevitable, but he's not in yet. It's the

909
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: second straight year he's been trying to walk in. He's

910
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: not in yet. And I also the other thing I

911
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: could have done, Demons is put Paolo in line. The

912
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: Pallo to me is he's on the same par on

913
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: par with Shingoon, So I could have put Polo in line.

914
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: We just didn't. All right, let's let's do the NFL

915
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: stuff another day. I'm just not into it today. I'm

916
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: still in basketball mode. And I'll be honest with you,

917
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: I'm not just in basketball mode. I know, I talked

918
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: about it on the Pot on Tuesday. I think I'm

919
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: also really, really in poker mode. I am so incredibly

920
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: excited for the World Series of Poker. I am the

921
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: studying in the way I study, which is not like

922
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: study solvers and stuff, because I'm playing mixed games, but

923
01:03:56,120 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: by watching old tournaments and listening to the commentary and

924
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: seeing how guys play different spots. I am we have

925
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: a you know, I've got my room set, I've got

926
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: the app verified. I am. I'm so excited about go

927
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: about going to this tournament or going to these tournaments.

928
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: And so I my work brain right now is occupied

929
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: by the NBA. My personal brain is oper is occupied

930
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: by poker stuff and uh the like the NFL OTAs

931
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it someone on the TV show. But

932
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not dialed in on that right now.

933
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: If I'm being totally honest, reminder of the audience, like

934
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: rate subscribe review to the pod. Let's have some of

935
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: the audience members who are watching us live. They have

936
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: some questions. Let's go ahead and get to them.

937
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 2: Uh, Producers.

938
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 3: After Demandsay said he thought James Dolan was Brew, Bruce

939
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 3: said on TV that he thought Bryce Young was Demonse.

940
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 2: Is there beef Brewing?

941
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: No, there's no beef. How did that happen? Do you

942
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:08,919
Speaker 1: remember this?

943
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 3: I think it was you guys were in New Orleans.

944
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 3: You guys were in New Orleans and you were talking

945
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 3: to Brew. No, Brew was talking to Bryce Young. Oh

946
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 3: he walked by him or something like that.

947
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: That's exactly right.

948
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 2: He came up to you and it was like, I

949
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 2: didn't know Demond was here.

950
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 3: It's is crazy because I've seen him in person before,

951
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 3: and like Bryce Young.

952
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 2: Is I feel like he's like six.

953
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 1: Six, maybe seven or eight inches shorter than you. Yeah,

954
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: the no, that's all true. If you guys do have

955
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: a similar look.

956
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 3: On the virus style and the hair, facial air, skin tone.

957
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, but that part is true. All right, let's

958
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: keep going.

959
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,919
Speaker 3: Kyle says, Hey, Nick, is the reason you don't call

960
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 3: out Brunson's defense more aggressively because you're a donegice guy.

961
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: No, So I I think that at times we can

962
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: be misleading, we can be disingenuous. I guess on how

963
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: much we what's the right way to put it? Team

964
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: defense is incredibly important to winning a championship, however, and

965
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: individual players overall impact on your team for stars is

966
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: so much more heavily influenced by how impactful they are offensively.

967
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: It is why there is the All NBA Team and

968
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: then separately the All Defense team, because there are guys

969
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: who might be first team All Defense who don't have

970
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: a shot at being on the All NBA team. And

971
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: so I it's not Jalen Brunson is obviously a minus defender.

972
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: It is in my opinion, and that does put a

973
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: ceiling on where he can be in the overall hierarchy

974
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: of the league. But it is the team and the

975
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: coaches job to figure out how to make do with

976
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: the fact that our superstar is a minus defender. And

977
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: it's just I don't think it's for lack of effort,

978
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: for Jalen Brunson. He's just not big enough and not

979
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: the athlete that he would need to be the All right,

980
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: let's go on to the next one.

981
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 3: Platonic Zombie. F YI, you forgot the Suns with the

982
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 3: trio discussion.

983
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: I assume that's a joke. I mean the Sons are

984
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 1: a duo as well with Katie and Booker. I assume

985
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: that's a joke.

986
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 3: Joshua has what a title for SGA make him the

987
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 3: best thunder of all time?

988
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: Kdi's got an MVP there and a finals appearance. Russ

989
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: has an MVP there and a finals appearance as the

990
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: co star. If Shay wins an MVP there and wins

991
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,560
Speaker 1: the championship.

992
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,600
Speaker 2: And finally VP, probably.

993
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: The I yeah, and finals MVP. I guess I don't

994
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: know that I'll feel that way, but I but that's he.

995
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would look at him that way,

996
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: but he probably would be. All right, let's go to Eric.

997
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 3: Eric says Demond's ay, I saw you hooping on Tuesday.

998
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 3: Look like you at least didn't get to deput up

999
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 3: happy you got the win. What's your record? Have you

1000
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 3: played and are you ready for playoffs?

1001
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: So what's this about.

1002
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 3: So I'm in a rec league or a Culver City

1003
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 3: league with a couple.

1004
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 2: Of my guys at work.

1005
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 3: Oh really, actually yeah, I actually got a I did

1006
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 3: it the last game.

1007
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: You got ejected from a direct league game directly game.

1008
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't even give you a warning though, Like

1009
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 2: it was what you know, the guy.

1010
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 3: The guy was like tugging on my arm, just doing

1011
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 3: a bunch of unnecessary Draymond green Es things, and I

1012
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 3: pushed and I was like, hey man, you know, watch out,

1013
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 3: and the ref was like you got to go sit down,

1014
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 3: and he's like, actually, you can't be in the gym.

1015
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, team, and I think we're

1016
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 2: like two and seven right now I've played.

1017
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're terrible. This is only my I.

1018
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 3: Played in one game before that, and then this is

1019
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 3: my second fold.

1020
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 2: I played in three. The second game I got.

1021
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 3: Ejected like two minutes into it, and then this last

1022
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 3: game I played the entire time. They've been doing a

1023
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,759
Speaker 3: lot of losing without me, but the schedule just conflicts

1024
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 3: a lot with like a lot done back there.

1025
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 1: Team the bus first, was I supposed to lie about

1026
01:09:55,680 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: our record doing a lot of losing without me? No,

1027
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: I didn't mean it like that.

1028
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 2: I was just saying, like these games, I didn't see

1029
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 2: those losses. I can't. I don't know what happened there.

1030
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 3: But uh, but yeah, you ejected once or twice one time, and.

1031
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: Okay, so when you described misunderstood, the.

1032
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 2: Games have been super late.

1033
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 3: They conflict and it's just like I can't like some

1034
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 3: of these I can't make Yeah, but uh but yeah,

1035
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 3: so every every team goes to the playoffs and we'll

1036
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 3: be there and next time.

1037
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 2: Okay, coming down.

1038
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: So you have a chance to to go on a

1039
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: Cinderella run, but no, we're are you how what? What

1040
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: percent are you that you were pre achilles.

1041
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 3: As far as like leaping ability and all that, I'm

1042
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 3: probably at like eighty five ninety, Like it's not all

1043
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 3: the way there, but I'd say a lot of it's

1044
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 3: still there.

1045
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: Though a lot of it's still there. And uh, and

1046
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: it didn't affect your shot or anything else.

1047
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 3: No, the only thing that's really affected my I feel

1048
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 3: like it's my broken my permanent broken finger. But but no,

1049
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 3: it did take a little bit to get my legs

1050
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 3: up underneath me though, like I felt like.

1051
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm glad you're playing. Are you playing at I

1052
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: still say where.

1053
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 3: I still play at the gym, and I just play

1054
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 3: at this rec League center every Monday or Tuesday whenever.

1055
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: But the gym that you have a membership for, I

1056
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 1: still go there. That's great, Okay, great, I didn't know

1057
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: you were playing, Eric, you go. Yeah, so you did

1058
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: see de monster.

1059
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was definitely my Hopefully we see you guys

1060
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 2: in the season.

1061
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and hopefully you don't get it. Can't maximum one

1062
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: ejection a season.

1063
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 2: You know, it was so embarrassing like that, will not

1064
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:42,480
Speaker 2: have it again. I was really embarrassed.

1065
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: Well, especially when you said it happened two minutes in.

1066
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 3: That was important. Crazy party. I had six points, Like

1067
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 3: it was in like thirty seconds. I scored the six points.

1068
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 3: Another guy, get me out of the game. I was

1069
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 3: already annoyed about some stuff when I walked in the gym.

1070
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 3: But you gotta you know basketball is an escape. Leave

1071
01:11:58,880 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 3: that stuff out the way.

1072
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: I love to hear it. All right, Good job Blue Duck,

1073
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: good job Volume, Thank you to DraftKings. We will the

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Speaker 1: reminder and for the Blue Duck folks and Volume folks

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Speaker 1: all get the details on how we're gonna do this

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Speaker 1: next Thursday. Shows from Vegas Tuesday, regularly scheduled show, maybe

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Speaker 1: a quick show over the weekend to react. If this

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Speaker 1: series wraps up on Saturday night, maybe even one tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We'll see how the playoffs go, but we'll see all

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Speaker 1: Then heading to work to go on TV. See you

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Speaker 1: guys on First Things First in a few hours. Thank you. Also,

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Speaker 1: Richard Jefferson, What's right?