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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here welcome back to Killers. Amongst

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Speaker 1: us the production of iHeart Media and Crime Online. I

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Speaker 1: think about Jennifer Kessie so often, long blonde hair, big

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Speaker 1: blue eyes, the world in front of her, just starting

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Speaker 1: out in her professional life. And I also think about

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Speaker 1: her parents, because her parents, Drew and Joy, spent their

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Speaker 1: whole life working to make a living to support Jennifer

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Speaker 1: and her brother, the entire family pouring all their love,

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Speaker 1: their hopes, their dreams, their money, their attention. Oh, think

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Speaker 1: about it. You know the little games, the girl scows,

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Speaker 1: the cookies, the this, the that, the tooth fairy, the braces,

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Speaker 1: that goes on and on and on, and it's they're

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Speaker 1: not chores. They're not chores at all. They are the

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Speaker 1: things you do for love, and to this day they

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Speaker 1: are still doing it for love, searching for their beautiful girl.

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Speaker 1: What happened to Jennifer Kessie, it's Cassie. What more can

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Speaker 1: you tell me about? What time? If you know that

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Speaker 1: she would contact her boyfriend in the morning, Well, jen

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Speaker 1: typically left for work between seven thirty and eight in

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Speaker 1: the morning, and it was her habit to call Rob

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Speaker 1: in her car and was driving to work is when

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Speaker 1: she would make that good morning call. And as we know,

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Speaker 1: Rob never received that call. Drew tell me the condition

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Speaker 1: of her apartment. Her condition, It was obviously brand new,

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Speaker 1: she had just purchased. I mean that morning, what did

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Speaker 1: it look like? Had she made her hair or what? No? No,

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Speaker 1: it looked like she slept in her bed. She had

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Speaker 1: two or three outfits laid out on the bed as

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Speaker 1: if she was choosing an outfit to wear. She as

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Speaker 1: was stated, the bathroom looked like someone got ready to

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Speaker 1: go to work. The rest of the condo was just

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Speaker 1: perfect data honestly looked like a maid came through, right

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Speaker 1: down to a full setting, four pe setting table setting

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Speaker 1: on her dining room table. You are hearing me speaking

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Speaker 1: with Drew and Joyce Cassie on h L in the

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Speaker 1: search for Jennifer. There girl goes on with me. Ray Kaputo,

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Speaker 1: lead news anchor Orlando's Morning News ninety six point five

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Speaker 1: WDBO Doctor Daniel Bober renowned forensics psychiatrist at Doctor Daniel

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Speaker 1: Bober on Instagram, Professor Forensics Jacksonville State University and author

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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Joseph Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: Bruce Johnson with me, owner IESP Investigations, Crime Scene Commander

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Speaker 1: Chicago Metro, Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of red Flags

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Speaker 1: at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com had special guests joining me,

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Speaker 1: Drew and Joyce Kessie, Jennifer's mom and dad. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to this our friends at CBS. By January two

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Speaker 1: thousand and six, twenty four year old Jennifer seemed to

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Speaker 1: have everything going for her. She had bought a brand

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Speaker 1: new condo in Orlando, She'd been promoted at work, and

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Speaker 1: there was a new man in her life. She was intelligent,

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Speaker 1: she was captivating. She had a sense of huma. One

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Speaker 1: of the first conversations we had ended up being like

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Speaker 1: five hours. Rob Allen, a thirty two year old Englishman,

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Speaker 1: lived two and a half hours away in Fort Lauderdale.

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Speaker 1: The couple had been dating for a year and saw

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Speaker 1: each other every other weekend. I mean we would communicate

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Speaker 1: full five, six, seven times a day, every day. She

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Speaker 1: became blonde best friend. In January two thousand and six, Rob,

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Speaker 1: then Jennifer took a vacation to Saint Croix. It was

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Speaker 1: just perfect, a lot of cocktails, a lot of sun,

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Speaker 1: We joked we should just stay there and just not

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Speaker 1: come back to the real world. But the real world

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Speaker 1: was about to intervene. I go back over and over

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Speaker 1: and over the facts to start at the beginning. What

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Speaker 1: happened to day Jennifer went missing? Listen. The first clue

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Speaker 1: shown up. Was there a family emergency? I immediately panicked

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Speaker 1: because Jenn's cell phone has never been turned off. Joyce

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Speaker 1: was just like, oh my god, Oh my god, this

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Speaker 1: She said, Jenesis, I'm like, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: Who goes? She hasn't shutting off for work? Drew, Cassie,

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Speaker 1: You tell me that you immediately jump in the car

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Speaker 1: don't want to hear about the condo being new. Just

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Speaker 1: tell me about the scene itself. But I do want

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Speaker 1: to hear now about the condo on the outside, the layout,

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Speaker 1: the gate if there was one, tell me everything. Is

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Speaker 1: Will you approach the condo complex? Everything was normal to us.

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Speaker 1: We got up to the guard gate, and we got

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Speaker 1: let in quite quite quickly. They really don't take a

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Speaker 1: lot of implements. Okay, whoa right there, right there, right there?

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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on guard gate? If you live there?

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Speaker 1: Did you have a key to get in? Would the

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Speaker 1: Did you have to identify yourself who you were, who

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Speaker 1: But could you answer those dreams? Yes to all the above,

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Speaker 1: to be quite honest with you, when it ended up. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well there was a guard gate. Now I have to

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Speaker 1: review my own questions. Wait, okay, there, yes, the guard gate.

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Speaker 1: Wait write it down for me. Sure, okay, there is

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Speaker 1: going to, and they take your license plate. As we

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Speaker 1: found out through receiving those records, the guards could not

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Speaker 1: They were actually useless in the end for our use

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Speaker 1: and for law enforcements. U Ja, are you telling me

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Speaker 1: that someone could walk in my foot and not? The

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Speaker 1: question is due identity? Correct. At the guard gate, there

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Speaker 1: was a sidewalk that led up to a gate and

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Speaker 1: anyone who wanted to get on the premises got on

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Speaker 1: the premises. As soon as Jennifer was gone, her friends

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Speaker 1: Anyone could get in. Any worker could get in, any

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Speaker 1: subcontractor could get in. They just had to stop. It

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Speaker 1: didn't matter if they gave the right name, correct name

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Speaker 1: a big problem to Joseph Scott Morgan forensics expert way in, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of this construction that's going on around this site. There's

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Speaker 1: even if it's just out of curiosity, Hey I want

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Speaker 1: to go look in these condos and see what's going on.

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Speaker 1: They can use this as a point of entry Nancy,

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Speaker 1: and there's no control, there's no control over the access

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Speaker 1: attempting to kind of whittle this down as to who

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Speaker 1: may have had contact with her. Jennifer was very habitual

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Speaker 1: the morning. It was like clock blind. Jen was kind

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Speaker 1: of like my human alarm clock, because she'd always call

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Speaker 1: When they called her phone went directly to voice now.

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Speaker 1: just absolutely a beautiful condo. In fact, Joyce and I said,

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Speaker 1: And it was her first home that she purchased. The

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Speaker 1: Inside the home was Jen's suitcase right in the foyer

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Speaker 1: The fact that Jennifer's a huge bathroom pick when she

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