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Speaker 1: What's up, guys, Alex Contreras alongside Eli Sussman, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another episode of Marlin's Barbecue. We got a very special

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Speaker 1: guest today and you know what is normally me or

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Speaker 1: Red on the krill, but today it's all Joe Fizzarrow.

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Speaker 1: Joe Fizzarrow.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Alex, Hey, buddy, how you doing. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for the intro and then for having me Man.

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Speaker 1: Super excited to have you here at the barbecue, Excited

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Speaker 1: to talk about some Marlin's baseball and excited to talk

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Speaker 1: about Man on second baseball. Can you talk to us

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Speaker 1: about what this is? Joe?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just real quick for those who know me, and

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Speaker 2: I know you've been very complimentary because you know you

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Speaker 2: grew up reading me. But you know, the last nineteen

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Speaker 2: years I was covering the Marlins for MLB dot Com

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Speaker 2: and then at the end of last year, an early

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Speaker 2: retirement package was offered and a number of people at

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Speaker 2: MLB took it. It was voluntary. It was I felt

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Speaker 2: there's also time, you know, nineteen years doing one beat

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Speaker 2: nineteen season ex season, eighteen years, you know, I felt

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Speaker 2: it was a good time for a change, and so

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Speaker 2: I went off into the sunset, and you know, I

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Speaker 2: something I've been kind of wanting to be a little

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Speaker 2: entrepreneurial and see if I could establish something because my

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Speaker 2: end goal is and I think that you guys at

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Speaker 2: Fish Stripes as well. You guys want to see baseball grow,

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Speaker 2: and I want to see baseball grow, not just in

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Speaker 2: you know, with the Marlins in South Florida, in the

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Speaker 2: state of Florida, because I really have always thought Florida,

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Speaker 2: especially where air market here, is a sleeping giant for baseball.

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Speaker 2: So so I came up with the concept of man

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Speaker 2: on second. Now, that's a man on second. The title

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Speaker 2: of man on second baseball is a metaphor for me.

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Speaker 2: I am basically the xterr inning rule went to a

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Speaker 2: runner on second base, right, but that's exter inning. So

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Speaker 2: in my career I'm on second base and exter innings,

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Speaker 2: I'm not. The game hasn't ended yet for me. So

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Speaker 2: I am the metaphor. So I am man on second baseball.

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Speaker 2: Now what is that I'm gonna still be very heavy

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Speaker 2: handed on the Marlins. I still am a member of

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Speaker 2: the BBWAA. But I also last time I went to

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Speaker 2: the U M FAU game. You know, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: they are draftable players around, if I could get there,

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Speaker 2: I want to see some of that and eventually I'm

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Speaker 2: a one man show right now, so I launched the

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Speaker 2: website is Man on Second Baseball dot com. Spell that

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Speaker 2: all out on Twitter, it's the handle is A Man

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Speaker 2: on two nd, as well as at Joe Forsara still

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Speaker 2: still around on Twitter, and I establishing a YouTube channel

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Speaker 2: as well, and down the line, we'd like to do podcasting.

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Speaker 2: But it has only been two and a half weeks,

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Speaker 2: so I think I've accomplished a bit. You know, I'll

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Speaker 2: be going to the Marlins game to night, so pretty much.

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Speaker 2: That's why I asked it just a little earlier, give

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Speaker 2: where it is. And uh, you know, like I said,

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Speaker 2: you'll still see me doing Marlins, but you'll see me

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Speaker 2: doing other stuff and basically baseball and that means spring

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Speaker 2: training baseball, and I'll branch out you know there. It's

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Speaker 2: all trial and error, but uh, you know, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have some fun here A Man on Second and see

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Speaker 2: where it goes.

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Speaker 1: Well, man, let me just say on behalf of everybody

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Speaker 1: in moral in his nation. Man, I was so happy

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Speaker 1: to see you around again. You know when we heard

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Speaker 1: a Joe, Joe's hanging them up, you know, he's driving

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Speaker 1: off into the sunset, and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: like Joe's back. Like for me, I all was super excited.

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Speaker 1: Was like, hell, yeah, we got Joe back, you know,

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Speaker 1: like and maybe you made way for the whipper snapper,

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Speaker 1: you know Christina.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Christina was my intern or associate reporter, and

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Speaker 2: she was ready to take the reins and the daily grind. Hey,

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Speaker 2: the thing about covering baseball is the daily grind. You

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Speaker 2: That's that's on Thanksgiving night. Now, how many people really,

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Speaker 2: Nothing but love for them, and I still call them

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Speaker 2: and when you say right off to the sunset, I

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Speaker 2: just you know, just a niche thing I want. I

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Speaker 2: I get does football, basketball and everything else.

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Speaker 3: Joe, as you mentioned right there, this isn't exactly what

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Speaker 3: seen like a man on Second Baseball that you've had

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Speaker 3: some really juicy stories, you know, from how the Marlins

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Speaker 3: a little bit as to what was hold like what

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Speaker 2: make I remember Jack McKeon said, because Jack has an

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Speaker 1: And since you mentioned Jose, I'm glad you mentioned Jose. Jose.

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Speaker 2: what's gonna what's going to connect with a with a

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Speaker 2: kid or a fan, uh to make them a fan.

430
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Speaker 1: Gary Sheffield, Oh, well, yeah, and that's that's I mean,

431
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Speaker 1: that's a good one too, though not only yeah, yes,

432
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you.

433
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Speaker 2: Know, something as subtle as that. You know, I just

434
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 2: did something on Juan Soto because I'm helping contributing to

435
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 2: a parrel company called aced Out, and I did a

436
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 2: little little little profile on Juan Soto and that Soto shuffle.

437
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 2: I mean it's just fun, you know, it's just no

438
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: has to just it could between the pitch just as

439
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 2: a crouch and lean forward, look like he's going to

440
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Speaker 2: make a step to the picture and create this kind

441
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Speaker 2: of a little bit of tension. But you know he's

442
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 2: there's a little showmanship as well, and then some mind

443
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 2: games too, because I'm sure in Soto's mind, hey, you

444
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 2: know I'm gonna you throw that again. You know, I

445
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 2: might do some real damage with that and then the

446
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Speaker 2: picture if it makes the picture get off his game,

447
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 2: he may end up walking him because he loses focus

448
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 2: and not you know, throwing the pitch where he wants.

449
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 3: Hey talking about a lot of guys so far that

450
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Speaker 3: are pretty widely known and appreciated and beloved. Is there

451
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Speaker 3: anybody any particular players from what noineteen years on the

452
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 3: Marlins beat that stick out to you as being very

453
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Speaker 3: underrated in terms of whether being at the time overlooked

454
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Speaker 3: or ones that you think just historically haven't aged as

455
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Speaker 3: well for whatever reason, aren't being appreciated now as much

456
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Speaker 3: as they should be for what they did when they

457
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Speaker 3: were Marlins. Yeah.

458
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's a good one.

459
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Speaker 1: Uh.

460
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Speaker 2: I think Ricky in Alaska was underrated if you just look,

461
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Speaker 2: because Ricky Ricky may have gotten more from his talents

462
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 2: than a lot a lot of people might realize because

463
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Speaker 2: if you look, he's the club all time wins leader.

464
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Speaker 2: But not that you know, they don't really have. You

465
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Speaker 2: know a lot of history and wins isn't as valued.

466
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Speaker 2: But but if you look, and Jack mckannon told me this,

467
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Speaker 2: Ricky won at a pretty big level. If you can

468
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 2: look at Ricky in Alaska's double A and triple A

469
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Speaker 2: numbers or I don't know how much triple A time

470
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Speaker 2: he had, but but if you go back and look,

471
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Speaker 2: he probably is winning at an over a sixty percent

472
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Speaker 2: clip and he just you know, found a way to compete.

473
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Speaker 2: I thought he was very underrated. You'd give you an

474
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Speaker 2: there's number sixteen Ricky in Alaska, sixteen strikeouts tonight in Atlanta.

475
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Speaker 1: Ricky in Alaska has been incredible. Tonight he has struck

476
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Speaker 1: out a franchise record sixteen his last start of the season.

477
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Speaker 1: What a performance by an Alaska.

478
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Speaker 2: And we got spoiled during those years because Josh Johnson

479
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 2: came up was really good. Obviously, Jose we were talking about,

480
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 2: you know Beckett. You know, this team always kind of had,

481
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: you know, somebody that was a real frontline guy. Now

482
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 2: Sandy looks like he's it, but you know, it's like

483
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 2: if not a lot of appreciation. So sometimes that third

484
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 2: and fourth guy in that rotation, who's who's given you

485
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 2: a lot of valuable innings and and you know, Ricky

486
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 2: had a little bit of injuries that kind of helped

487
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: the numbers, but you know, heavily breaking ball guy, but

488
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: he competed and I thought he was a little bit underrated.

489
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: A guy I find fascinating, especially now was his career

490
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: clearly didn't take off. Was Jeremy her Meida. But if

491
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 2: you go back and look at his like six or seven,

492
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: one of those years, a lot of walks, the banding average,

493
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Speaker 2: you know, there was a Now the walk is a

494
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Speaker 2: lot more valued than men. I think I think analytics

495
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: might have treated Hermida's approach a little bit differently, you know,

496
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Speaker 2: so he might have I thought, couldn't been a guy

497
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: that would now he was the first rounder, so you know,

498
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 2: he didn't. He didn't become what he was. But you know,

499
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: Uglow obviously was a great success story. Uh, but underrated man,

500
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 2: sometimes it's blurs. Those those are few that I mentioned.

501
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,479
Speaker 2: He wasn't necessarily But I don't know if they were

502
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Speaker 2: underrated because I think they were exactly what they were.

503
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 2: I think that you know, they were good players and

504
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Speaker 2: they and they performed. So when we say underrated, you know,

505
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 2: Cody Ross goes and he's a playoff hero in in

506
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 2: San Francisco, and but he was a good player, you know,

507
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 2: he's That's the thing. Guys who guys who are see

508
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 2: I look at it different, Like like I remember having

509
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: a lot of conversations with people in the game, and

510
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: it's like when Miguel Rojas just was starting to come up,

511
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: and I tell people in the end, man, this guy's

512
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: a good player. Now, when I say this guy's a

513
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Speaker 2: good player, do I mean he's an All Star?

514
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: No?

515
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: Do I mean that, you know, he's the top five

516
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,239
Speaker 2: short stops in the game. No, but he was. He

517
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: did so much right on the field. But I also

518
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 2: in my mind, I have him in the context of

519
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 2: what he was. He was, you know, that utility guy

520
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: who made himself a solid everyday guy. So those are

521
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 2: really good players and your skill set is you know,

522
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: you're basically he should not be still in the big leagues. Guys.

523
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Speaker 2: You know I was thinking of this. I just on

524
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Speaker 2: my website yesterday. I did my spotlight not necessarily Pipelines

525
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,239
Speaker 2: or Baseball America's Top one hundred guys, but these were

526
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Speaker 2: cause I can only do so much, but guys that

527
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Speaker 2: I'm watching, and I purpose on this one left Off

528
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: Bla Day and Riley Green because I noted them as

529
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: State of Florida guys to keep an eye on. But

530
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: you know, guys like Grayson Rodriguez, d L. Hall from

531
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: the from the Orioles. Uh And then I was looking

532
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: at these guys. Was kirol Off Minnesota? You know some

533
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 2: of these guys Bobby Wood Junior, forget it, and this

534
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 2: guy's gonna be a superstar. Daniel Lynch is on the

535
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: on the Royals as well, in their system. I poked

536
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Speaker 2: about seven eight names there, and what you know, these

537
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: are guys I'm kind of you know, who people have

538
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: told me to kind of keep an eye on. So

539
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: where am I going with this? Uh? So? I noticed

540
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 2: the one common thread with those guys was they were

541
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Speaker 2: first rounders. Like every one of them was a first rounder.

542
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Speaker 2: So here we are, we're talking about guys who, hey,

543
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: keep an eye on this, Like I would think D. L.

544
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: All is like the seventieth rank prospect and on pipeline,

545
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: trust me, guys, he's gonna be much better than that.

546
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Speaker 2: But he's a first rounder. And so that's where you

547
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 2: got to hit. You know, we could talk about so

548
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: if your first rounder you have that that kind of talent,

549
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: you know, I go back to the brad Hand story.

550
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned ed Ela. You know, it's kind

551
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: of I kind of looked at it, what went wrong?

552
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: You know, just kind of retrace because that should not happen.

553
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: You should not miss that badly on a player, you know,

554
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 2: and because he immediately became good to great, seemingly within

555
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: a month after seeming lost and you know, shattered confidence wise.

556
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: And but then if you looked at brad hand, who's

557
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 2: now what he signed for three years almost twenty million

558
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 2: and he just signed for ten point five with the

559
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: National This guy's now got over thirty million dollars in

560
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: the bank after you know, who would have thought that

561
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: when he left Miami And he's not done yet. And

562
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: but he was a second round pick. So there's a reason,

563
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: there's a reason you're one of the top fifty players taken.

564
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: So literally none of those guys should be under eight

565
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: to us. But you know, so you got to hit

566
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Speaker 2: on those and I quit less on the talented guys,

567
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: and then you know, you kind of the twentieth rounders

568
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: traditionally have maybe a little lower ceiling.

569
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Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes I feel like it's recurring that it happens

570
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: to us, Like we've had players you mentioned Brad Hens,

571
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Speaker 1: you can think about Andrew Miller. I was gonna say,

572
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: Adam Conley.

573
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: But Andrew Miller was a first round pick. He was

574
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Speaker 2: a top ten.

575
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Speaker 1: Pick, Cameron maybe. Yeah. Well, what I was trying to

576
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: get at is like, how come these guys figure it

577
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: out once they leave Miami, right, Like, you know, Brad

578
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: Han figured it out, but Miller figured it out all

579
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: of a sudden like our star players, you know, for example,

580
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Speaker 1: like a Derek Lee. We had him here. He was

581
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: a solid, really good first baseman, helped us win a

582
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: World Series. All of a sudden he gets shipped out

583
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: to Chicago when he becomes his monster, Like is it yeah?

584
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: But he was a monster No. Three. And I always

585
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: tell people that Derek Lee became Derek Lee, you know three,

586
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: because he had what thirty thirty one homers that year

587
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: and he played gold glove first. You know, back then

588
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: they wanted to get straight.

589
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: Joe, Joe.

590
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Speaker 3: I just put up a trivia question about Derek Lee

591
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: because he's one of the few players that went twenty

592
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: twenty with the Marlins in home runs and I know.

593
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: I remember him scoring going first to third or first

594
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: to home on extra base hits. He was like, you

595
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: know this guy, he literally, you know three was doing

596
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: everything and you know it was like, wow, I mean,

597
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: you know, and you know, I remember Mike Lowell telling

598
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 2: me this, you know, years ago. He goes, you know,

599
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 2: Lowell said, if he made that backhand play or you know,

600
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: at going down up, you know, down the third base

601
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: line and had to make it across the body throw

602
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: or you know, throw and come in on the ball

603
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: and make an off balanced throw. He really didn't hesitate

604
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: making that throw to Derek Lee because he knew d

605
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: was going to get the ball. Now, if you have

606
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: a first baseman, you're not as trustworthy as sometimes you

607
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: just eating the ball. You just you get to the ball.

608
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: You just give the guy the infield hit. But because

609
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 2: how do you measure that? You know, I love you know, fingers,

610
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: but that doesn't measure that. You know, how do you

611
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: how do you put that in a in a gold

612
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: Glove category? Like you might say, oh, Derek Lee, you know, uh,

613
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: you know this or that if you're not throw, if

614
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: you if you're a gold Glover And Mike Lowell throwing

615
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: no matter what, because he knew Derek Lee was going

616
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: to get the ball, he would he would take the

617
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: risk he throw out. There's and that goes on every

618
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: day and people these are the games were in the

619
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: game that we don't realize. You know, have you got

620
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: That's why I'm a big believer. If you look at

621
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: the teams that traditionally win the World Series or get there,

622
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: the usually got really good defensive first baseman.

623
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, we were so blessed back in a three

624
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: man derk Lee, Luis Castillo, Mike Lowe, all those gold gloves,

625
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: Punch could have got one, Alanx Gonzalez could have had one.

626
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: You know, we were stacked up. And I think Perry

627
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: Hill was a big key to that.

628
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: Man.

629
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Speaker 1: Perry Hill didn't get enough credit, Like I think the

630
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: needs WRECT, They need to recognize more of his work. Yeah,

631
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: you know he would. He would give tips to to

632
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: these guys and the guys would feed off of it

633
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: and develop and and continue to blossom defensively. And you

634
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: were happy to see him. So shout out to Perry

635
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: Hill wherever you're at.

636
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: Think he's in Sana Hill since we're talking about yes,

637
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: he is, uh my be the greatest teacher of infield.

638
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: Certainly one of the greatest, if not the greatest infield

639
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: teacher in terms of technique. Now you know, analytics is

640
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: telling in Fielder's way to play.

641
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: Hey, Joe, you know I wanted to talk to you

642
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: about past players, right past players that you've covered that obviously.

643
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about having the talent spotting talent

644
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Speaker 1: with your I like Jack McKean, or scouts or whatever

645
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Speaker 1: you yourself have seen so many people in the big leagues.

646
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Speaker 1: Talk to me about some guys that you think would

647
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: be like an ideal, a good coach or a good manager.

648
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: I'll start somewhere. I'll start with Martin Prado. I think

649
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: he would make a great coach somewhere.

650
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: No question. And Miggy rowe also But I had this,

651
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: and I had this conversation with Martin right before, you know,

652
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: his last year, and I had it with Meggie and

653
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: and I think I want to see a lot of

654
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 2: these Latin players. We always just say this guy can coach, right,

655
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: I want to see that. Why can't they Why can't

656
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: they be gms and player development people and evaluators, because

657
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: I think there's a ton of value to that that

658
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: is overlooked. You could be a great scout, a great

659
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: you can run a scouting department, you could run there's

660
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: so many things within the organization. It's easy to just

661
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: automatically go, oh, that guy can be a great coach.

662
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: But I think that man like Martine Prado could run

663
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: an international department, you know, And now you're coaching you know,

664
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Speaker 2: fifty kids compared to a roster of twenty six, you know,

665
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's like you literally are

666
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: coaching you know, an international department or an entire farm system,

667
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: which is what if there's thirty players, let's say I'm

668
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: for affiliates whatever, it's like, you know, one hundred and

669
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: twenty players, So you literally are coaching. I think, guys,

670
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: what I've started doing a lot in the months before

671
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: I launched. I've read a lot of books, which is

672
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: funny because you know, like you were saying about the

673
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: grind of the beat right enough time to read books

674
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: even in the off season, because literally the phone could

675
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: ring at any at any hour, and it often did.

676
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,959
Speaker 2: But I've read a lot of books on leadership, and

677
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: I focus a lot on leadership because I think in

678
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: society and and in sports and everything, it's really important,

679
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: and that reading books on what makes good leaders and

680
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: the players that you mentioned we're talking about, like Miggy

681
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: or or Martine are really effective leaders. Now, what makes

682
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: a good leader whether they gotta be a good listener,

683
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 2: they got to be a really good communicator. Don Mattingly

684
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: is an amazing leader, you know, James Rawson seems to

685
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: have all those leadership qualities, Because how do you make

686
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: someone better? How do you make your like Eli, how

687
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: do you make your staff better? Do you make it

688
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: being you know, hard on them and making them hate you?

689
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 2: Or do you make your staff better by you know,

690
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: working with them and putting them in positions to succeed.

691
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: You know. So it's just like again, I'm rambling again,

692
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: But I think that we immediately say coach or manager

693
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 2: and then we're all Gill you know when Mike and

694
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: then was back up Carol be manager someday. Yeah, we're right,

695
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: he was and he's now a bench you know. It's

696
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: like and that's fine. But I just think that you know,

697
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: you could talk, you could look at moving up the

698
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: chain and as in organizations and and without the grind

699
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: of you know, being on the field all the hours

700
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: that go into coaching.

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Speaker 1: Ablio could probably be a future GM. He's got the

702
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: doctor degree. I'm sure you can handle. Yeah, So swapping

703
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: it up a little bit here, Joe, I wanted to

704
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: talk to you about let's see, I want to talk

705
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: to you about this little show, this little segment that

706
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: we have. This little segment is called this or that, right, yes, segment. Basically,

707
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: we we give you a couple of options and you pick.

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00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm looking at what you're going to talk

709
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: to me about. Okay, go ahead, all right?

710
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: So all right, you ready for the QQ of the

711
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: segment this.

712
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll clud that into the edited version so that

713
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 3: people hype for it.

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00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So spring training games, Joe, the Cactus

715
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: League or the Great Food.

716
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 2: League in Florida, So great for league, although I Cactus

717
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 2: League is fun, but I'm a grateful league guy.

718
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: Opening day starter Sandy or Pablo.

719
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: I love Pablo, but it's Sandy, and I don't think

720
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: there's going to be much debate.

721
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: You had one of these guys in the Marylands clubhouse.

722
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: Is your stylist somebody telling you to turn you know,

723
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: let's let's work on the on the swag, all right?

724
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: Is it Mickey Roe or you taking Lewis Brinson.

725
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: I'm going Mickey Row And there's a reason because like

726
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: right now, I need I need a haircut and Brinson

727
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: last year told me, hey, Joe is getting long. You

728
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: need a haircut. And I knew it looked bad, but

729
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: I didn't need him to reinforce. And now I know

730
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: he's mister, mister and GQ now, but this is mar

731
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: because Migey would never treat me that way. So it's

732
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: Miggy and Biggie.

733
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: Would probably hook you up with some fly sneakers too.

734
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: I just want a shirt right now, So funny? All right?

735
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: Barbecuing or covering baseball?

736
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: We got to talk about barbecuing, but that's a tough one.

737
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: But the fact that I could barbecue every day or

738
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: in retirement cover baseball, I think I'm covering baseball, all right.

739
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: Chark charcoal or gas?

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00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 2: Oh, this is a no brainer. It's charcoal. I mean

741
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: I I have two. I have two smokers, the Weber

742
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: smoking Mountain Smoker, which is charcoal. But you put those

743
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: smoke chunks in and and then a trigger which is pellet.

744
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: And I'm not a gas guy.

745
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: All right. Uh. Beef ribs or pork ribs?

746
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: What do you think? It's pork? It's pork. It's you know,

747
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 2: it's like b F ribs or not. It's pork. Ribs,

748
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: it's baby bags or St. Louis style, Yeah.

749
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: Hot dogs ors?

750
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 2: Oh man, I would have been a hot dogs automatically,

751
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: but I got they just bought like four cheriesos and

752
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: so it's like we've had that two different days of them.

753
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 2: So let's go there.

754
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: Sweet Hey, Joe, what's what's that you go to? Never

755
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 1: failed dish? What's the Joe bizarrow? What's Joe smoking? What's

756
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: that that you invite me over? What you what you're cooking?

757
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: Man?

758
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: Because you got me amped up when I saw the

759
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: Postromi rat Burgers. I'm not gonna lie.

760
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: Myn Yeah, I mean it's it's uh, it's basically it's

761
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 2: hard to say what you you know, I'm gonna tell you,

762
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: and this is going to surprise you. You're gonna want

763
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: my my my smoked seafood medley, which is going to

764
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: be because I could go ribs or brisket or whatever

765
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: and it'd be really good, but uh, I get crab

766
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: legs and you ever have like not what was it free?

767
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: What's that seafood place? I asked my wife? So this

768
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: is totally real, the one in San Francisco, I say,

769
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 2: Joe's Joe's crab Chack Joe's Crab Chack. They'll have like

770
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 2: they'll have like snow crabs and a bucket and they'll

771
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: throw in like a corn of the cob and maybe

772
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: you know, like a potato in there as well, maybe

773
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: like some Polish sausage and they'll cook that all in

774
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: one pot. I essentially do that in a tin and

775
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: put them on my smoker, so some b Bay or

776
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: whatever seasoning on there, and that would be that's a

777
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: game changer. So so I'm not going to go to

778
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: traditional be for pork stuff. I'm going seafood on you

779
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 2: on that one.

780
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: I love it, I love it.

781
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 2: I love how you throw the.

782
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: Joe. Can any of us expect in the coming future

783
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: maybe like a Joe's barbecue pit be open up or

784
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: we just gonna tease this on YouTube the whole time.

785
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know what I want to do is

786
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 2: just get some players and some people and have There's

787
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: my my dream of it is. I'm barbecuing and I

788
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: got you know, like let's say mcg rojas or or

789
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: actually bigger like Mike Trout could not bigger than Maggie.

790
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 2: I love Mickey, but Mike Trout is huge barbecue guy.

791
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: Or Pete Alonzo to just have them sitting down and

792
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: we we're talking baseball and we're talking barbecue. That's that's

793
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: what I want to do, or any in baseball that's

794
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 2: gonna have. Jack mcke I want great baseball conversation and

795
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: great barbecue. That that's to me a show. Take a

796
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: quick look and see how it looks. Well, yeah, no,

797
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: you hear that juice is already flowing. So I don't

798
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: want to, Like I said, if you're looking at it

799
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: in cooking, you.

800
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 1: Said, Jack McKeon be smaking.

801
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he had the hard thing, so he just

802
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: holds it now. It's for the show. As Will Smith

803
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: would say, yeah.

804
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: Well, you know you got any questions for Joe, anything

805
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: else you want to say?

806
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 3: No, I think we're pretty wrapped up. I mean, Joe,

807
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 3: you did mention up top that men on second baseball

808
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: for now one man operation. Now that baseball regular season

809
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 3: is around the corner, do you have any immediate plans

810
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: to open a hiring spree look for your certain people

811
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 3: to help you in concerned ways. I know it's you

812
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 3: can take it that at your own pace. And it

813
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: seems like you're having so much fun right now and Uh.

814
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 3: I guess from looking at from the outside, it looks

815
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: like your wife is helping with some of the camera

816
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 3: work that you're doing on some of the videos.

817
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

818
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's uh, you know, she's my camera person and

819
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: the co CEO and and and lighting. What's that called

820
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: that we got the uh the no, the the o ring.

821
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, uh, I got one of those

822
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: things now. So we're keeping Amazon busy. We got the

823
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: merge coming, I got the mask, got to get some

824
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: hats going. But yes, i'd love to have some people. Obviously,

825
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: I'm not making any money right now. I want it

826
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: to hopefully you build something and and the climate you

827
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: know changes, and and I have, you know, some time

828
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: to let this thing go. But yeah, I'd love to

829
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 2: have some people to help out, to share the vision

830
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: that you know, what I can't offer and pay, I

831
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 2: get offer in experience and help, you know, give them

832
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: a platform to post their stories and and and the

833
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: little guidance if this is what they want to pursue,

834
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: and then hopefully if we make some money, it becomes

835
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: something that could be more.

836
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Speaker 1: Joe, thank you so much man for sharing your knowledge,

837
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: for coming on our platform and sharing your stories with

838
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: our audience. Man, it was a pleasure to have you

839
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: here at the barbecue. Hopefully, when this pandemic goes away,

840
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: we can invite you to a real.

841
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: Barbecue exactly exactly.

842
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: Crack open a few couple of bruise, you know, and

843
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: talk some baseball man. Get to see your friend Eli,

844
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: a pleasure as always, Guys, is Marlin's Barbecue. For more

845
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: exciting content and information, go visit fish Stripes dot com

846
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: and Men on Second Baseball. This is Alex Contreras alongside Eli,

847
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: Suspen and Jose Pizarro signing out Eli. Cue the music, Baby,