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Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: All right, we've reached some day here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown seeds asker with you the day in between

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Speaker 2: OTA practices.

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Speaker 3: There's three days this week.

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Speaker 2: It's Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday when they're on the field

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Speaker 2: doing their thing. There is only one session available to

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Speaker 2: the media each week of these OTA sessions. But hard

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Speaker 2: at work here at One Bill's Drive team kind of

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Speaker 2: getting things in order and through the course of the

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Speaker 2: week when they don't have practice, they kind of do

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Speaker 2: classroom stuff and other things.

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Speaker 4: Team building of the walk.

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Speaker 3: Through variety, things of that nature.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, they're they're they're still at it, even though

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Speaker 2: they're not doing helmets and shorts football as they did yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Back on the field tomorrow, as I said, and on Friday,

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Speaker 2: so they don't they don't get the the short Memorial

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Speaker 2: Day weekend necessarily, so oh well, oh well for them,

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Speaker 2: we'll be long.

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Speaker 3: Gone Thursday three.

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Speaker 4: We're like we are.

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Speaker 3: Like a like a shot, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, shifting gears that. Yeah, but they get the rest

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Speaker 4: of the time off though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you uh, you had a beautiful night to play

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Speaker 2: golf last night.

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Speaker 3: Man, Holy cow.

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Speaker 2: That's like the best evening we've had weather wise here

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Speaker 2: evening of the calendar year.

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Speaker 4: Spectacular evening, big turnout. We actually yeah, I got a

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Speaker 4: chance to play after dark. I had They make these

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Speaker 4: golf balls the glow and you act the one I

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Speaker 4: got the one they had with you whack it with

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Speaker 4: you know, putter or whatever, and it turns on you

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Speaker 4: set it down.

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Speaker 3: You like the light sticks you used to have to crack,

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Speaker 3: you know, but this.

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Speaker 4: Was just like you know, but you need to tee

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Speaker 4: it up and hit it. When you hit it, it turns

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Speaker 4: on whatever, and you can see it. You can s yeah, right,

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Speaker 4: you can see it. Yeah if you if it doesn't

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Speaker 4: light up, you may as well just go home. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and you can see It's it's really cool to see

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Speaker 4: a lot of fun is it?

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Speaker 3: What color is it?

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Speaker 4: Well, they have different colors. One of these shoes last

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Speaker 4: night was like blue and uh like a bright like

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't say bride, more like sky blue.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, but I mean it's dark so you can

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Speaker 3: see it.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's like, oh yeah, it's like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now what happens if you don't hit the fairway and

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Speaker 2: that things in.

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Speaker 3: The art you can see.

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Speaker 4: You can't lose it.

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Speaker 3: Oh you can't. You see, even in the rough you can.

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Speaker 4: Lose well, I mean if it was yeah, completely, no,

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Speaker 4: it glows big time, all right, Yeah, you can't lose

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Speaker 4: them when they're when it's dark and they're lit up.

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Speaker 2: The technology that that golf equipment companies pay for, I

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Speaker 2: can't imagine what the R and D budget is for

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Speaker 2: like a golf equipment manufacturer, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I guess how much is Well paying for

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Speaker 3: the you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: I told you we you know, I played that one

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Speaker 4: hundred holes of golf on Friday, and then I played

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Speaker 4: in the Aaron Salter Memorial Tournament Scholarship Drivement on Monday,

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Speaker 4: Bruce Smith's event in Lockport Town and Country and that,

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Speaker 4: which was a phenomenal event, great event. But the we

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Speaker 4: used to do we do that every two years for

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Speaker 4: the Boys and Girls Club, that hundred holes. Hen, we

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Speaker 4: used to do it in June, and you know, because

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Speaker 4: of whatever legitiing, we're gonna do it in Lea mid May. Well, Brosly,

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Speaker 4: the days aren't as long in mid May as they

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Speaker 3: We're we're getting there now. It's almost lights on.

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Speaker 4: Hence we had to play like ten holes with these

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Speaker 4: in time. We gotds.

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Speaker 2: Now you said they don't fly as far, probably because

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Speaker 4: Internal Yeah, well work listen, there's a lot in the

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Speaker 4: golf ball that a lot of technology and money in

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Speaker 4: R and D has gone into the golf and make

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Speaker 4: it fly as far as you can. You know, if

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Speaker 4: you've seen you saw a PGA those guys, it's like

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Speaker 4: a rocket. Well, if you want it to you can.

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Speaker 4: Apparently you can either have it glow in the dark

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Speaker 4: or fly really far. You can't have both yet.

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Speaker 3: So give it time. You'll figure that out too.

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Speaker 4: So last night, since I had that experience on Friday,

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Speaker 4: last night, I were, you know, having a stogie, and

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Speaker 4: I bet a guy. I bet my bro sleave. I

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Speaker 4: bet him I could par one of the holes from

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Speaker 3: Nice knowing it doesn't fly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because I went for I went to the forward

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Speaker 4: te's that actually played it from the women's teas and

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Speaker 4: I stack up. But I can part in the pitch

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Speaker 4: black And of course the bet was on and let

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Speaker 4: me just say, your boy sank an eight foot from

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Speaker 4: there you go, that's in the dark.

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Speaker 3: That's beautiful. It was like that.

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Speaker 4: That was the highlight of my Not not to say

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Speaker 4: anything that the show was bad yesterday, but that was

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Speaker 4: the highlight of my day right there. And nothing against

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Speaker 4: the show yesterday, the outstanding airwaves, you know, the you know,

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Speaker 4: the program was a good program yesterday, it was And

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Speaker 4: despite that, it was not the highlight of my day.

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Speaker 4: That eight foot put in the pitch dark was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there were some some little tidbit with a cigar

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Speaker 2: in my mouth, there were some little tidbits from yesterday's

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Speaker 2: OTAs that we didn't have a chance to get to yesterday.

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Speaker 2: John Butler, one of the defensive coaches on the Bill's staff,

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Speaker 2: addressed the media and uh, he essentially confirmed that Christian

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Speaker 2: Benford is working at Corner right now, because we all

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Speaker 2: remember there was some thought that they may line him

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Speaker 2: on the roster breakdown, Steve, I think corner is you

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Speaker 2: understand why he's lining up at Corner because we all

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Speaker 2: know about you know, Michael hid and Jordan Poyer have

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Speaker 2: been mainstays here. They're still on this roster. They signed

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Speaker 2: Taylor Rap and free agency, but then they bring back

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Speaker 2: Dean Marlow this week, and to me that signaled, well,

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Speaker 2: that means Benford's definitely going to corner. Because if you're

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Speaker 2: if you don't know how things turn out with DeMar Hamlin,

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Speaker 2: who's still working his way back into the practice setting,

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Speaker 2: there's you know, and Zane Anderson, you know, the special

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Speaker 3: You know, you've got all of these guys.

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Speaker 2: At the safety position. Cam Lewis is still here, So

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Speaker 2: I guess I wasn't surprised to hear that. It was

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Speaker 2: nice to hear it confirmed, like, hey, Benford's gonna be

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Speaker 4: Know, well, yeah, it doesn't surprise me all that much.

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Speaker 4: The guy was good enough to get on the field

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Speaker 4: opening day of his rookie year as a sixth round

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Speaker 4: draft pick. He's got some skills, and he's got some

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Speaker 4: he's got some gifts as well. His size, most notably,

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Speaker 4: and his attitude and his demeanor that the coaching staffs

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Speaker 4: we heard it last year. How you know, Benford was

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Speaker 4: this old soul kind of guy who nothing and he'd

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Speaker 4: been through some stuff in his life, so he had

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Speaker 4: he was kind of a little bit grizzled, even as

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Speaker 4: a young rookie. So it doesn't surprise me that they're saying,

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Speaker 4: you know, you know, why why mess with that at

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Speaker 4: they got a bunch of safeties that they've got a

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Speaker 4: lot of that have a lot of promise and a

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Speaker 4: lot of chopp you know. Notwithstanding, you know, rap is there,

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Speaker 4: and it's interesting too. Damar Hamlin's in that mix, right,

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Speaker 4: you never. I mean, that's an interesting, well, yeah, situation there.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a question mark more from a standpoint

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Speaker 2: of him working his way back from his cardiac event

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Speaker 2: than Kenny play. Is he good enough to be on

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Speaker 2: this roster right? All of that stuff? I think that's

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Speaker 2: his hurdle. But I think we can also agree the

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Speaker 2: competition is stiffer at that position. I mean, let's not

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Speaker 2: forget right, he's the he was the first safety off

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Speaker 2: the bench last year. You know, you still had Jaquan

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Speaker 2: argue that your safety position is better now just by

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Speaker 2: virtue of the fact that Taylor rap is here who

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Speaker 2: is essentially like a three year starter in this league,

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Speaker 2: so with proven production, So that's a starting caliber player

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Speaker 4: Dean Marlow's back.

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Speaker 2: And then Dean Marlowe is back as veteran insurance. And

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Speaker 2: that was a guy that stepped in late last year

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Speaker 2: also in place of the injured or the out DeMar Hamlin,

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Speaker 2: I think it's deeper, and so I think it makes

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Speaker 2: sense to have Benford continue to work at corner, where

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's not as deep, because I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you one guy that caught my eye yesterday was JaMarcus Ingram,

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Speaker 2: the kid from ub who made the practice squad last

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Speaker 2: year as a rookie, got thrust into action in Week

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Speaker 2: three when all the defensive starters were out. Well, Benford

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Speaker 2: breaks his hand in the first half of that game,

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Speaker 2: so they had him still covering kickoffs, so he was

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Speaker 2: still playing on special teams but couldn't use.

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Speaker 3: His hand to play defense.

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Speaker 2: You know, jam or whatever, and so they had to

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Speaker 2: put Ingram on the field, and I'm telling you he

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Speaker 3: And he's a.

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Speaker 2: Tall he didn't look out a corner and I think

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Speaker 2: there's a skill set there that's very intriguing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he is a.

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Speaker 4: Big, dute. Physical traits cover up some other shortcomings and tremarcus.

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Speaker 4: Ingram's got some physical traits. Yeah, and you're right, there's

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Speaker 4: I think we've been naming all these guys. Just for

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Speaker 4: those of you wondering, there are seventeen defensive backs. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: on the roster, right, seventeen.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's four more than they have receivers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's a lot. It's a lot, and I

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Speaker 4: don't know how it's going to shake out, but they've

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Speaker 4: got to. They've got to have at least five corners

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Speaker 4: on game day, let alone on the fifty three at

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Speaker 4: least five. They play three all the time.

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Speaker 2: Right, they have dressed four at times through the chorus

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Speaker 2: of McDermott's ten, which I always felt was a little risky,

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Speaker 2: but I think it was doing part to the fact

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Speaker 2: that they felt in a pinch. You know, you can

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Speaker 2: have Poyer come down and cover a Mica or somebody

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Speaker 4: Or any of the because Saran Neil, any of those

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Speaker 4: defensive back who knew the words and could do it.

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Speaker 4: And whether you could do it or not, it's another story.

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Speaker 4: But at least they would know they get you through

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Speaker 4: a game, they would finish a game. Yeah, but yeah,

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Speaker 4: you play three that they have, We don't Alwa's gonna

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Speaker 4: Not often eight or nine of them are active every week.

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Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be some nastiness to this defense,

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Speaker 4: I think the thing that about it is and rightfully so,

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Speaker 4: And even more interesting is how it manifests itself int

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Speaker 3: So he essentially said.

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Speaker 4: It is great, and that may be what it looks

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Speaker 4: If I mean, if you want to raise the curtain

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Speaker 2: As we found out, NBC's Sunday Night Football is the

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Speaker 4: You know, people think, you know, football is this man thing.

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Speaker 4: I am so happy about that, I really am. I

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Speaker 4: That is amazing to me. But you see it too.

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Speaker 4: think about Diggs not being here?

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's I mean, he's missed time before.

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Speaker 4: It's nothing just by the way Josh. Josh missed some

441
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Speaker 4: of it too, for personal reasons. He wasn't here, probably

442
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Speaker 4: doing something.

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Speaker 3: He Diggs is usually here for mini camp.

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Speaker 2: Yes, usually here for mini camp, And I would anticipate that,

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Speaker 2: You'll say that, who knows, he may even pop in

446
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Speaker 2: here or there for some of the OTA.

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Speaker 4: We had as well, we had stuff like this going

448
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Speaker 4: on when I played, and guys would be here, they'd

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Speaker 4: be gone whatever. And for the players it was always like, eh, whatever,

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Speaker 4: you know, if you didn't have to be here, Yeah,

451
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Speaker 4: don't whatever, you don't have to be here. Got players

452
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Speaker 4: didn't certainly didn't worry about it, and I'm sure nobody is.

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Speaker 4: So Yeah, yeah, I don't think it's a big deal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm to me, it's much about nothing. I agree,

455
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Speaker 2: in the grand scheme of things, if there's a.

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Speaker 4: Guy that doesn't need to know what's going on with

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Speaker 4: the off I mean, you know what I mean, doesn't

458
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Speaker 4: need to learn about the offense.

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Speaker 2: It's not to mention the fact that you know, the

460
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Speaker 2: guy is working on his craft wherever he is, right,

461
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Speaker 2: so it's not like you have to worry about him

462
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Speaker 2: just sitting on the couch being a couch potato. The

463
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Speaker 2: guy's committed to his craft and he's working on it

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Speaker 2: all the time. Let's go around the NFL, which is

465
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Speaker 2: presented by Collida Health, the official healthcare system of the

466
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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills, and we'll zip through this quickly because we're

467
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Speaker 2: going to be talking about the rule change that we

468
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Speaker 2: talked about yesterday with Dean Blandino, good friend of the show,

469
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Speaker 2: but Steve, the New York Jets are working out punder

470
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Speaker 2: Mattaiza today. NFL Network insider Ian Rappaport was reporting that

471
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Speaker 2: it's his first workout since he was exonerated a criminal

472
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Speaker 2: charges that led to his release by the Bills last year.

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Speaker 2: It should be noted, though the Jets do have veteran

474
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Speaker 2: Thomas Morsteat who they I mean, he's thirty seven, so

475
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Speaker 2: he's closer to the end of his career than the beginning.

476
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Speaker 2: But they do a punter on their roster right now.

477
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Speaker 2: The word out of New York is nothing is imminent

478
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Speaker 2: by way of assigning. I would expect he probably has

479
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 2: a few more workouts around the league for teams that

480
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 2: might be looking for a punter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is what it is.

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Speaker 2: Running back Austin Eckler, Steve, you and I talked about

483
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Speaker 2: this before coming on the air. The guy gets incentives

484
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Speaker 2: built into his contract. For those that don't remember, he

485
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: wanted a new deal or to be traded, and the

486
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Speaker 2: Chargers were like, how about no. They told his agent

487
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Speaker 2: he could try to find a trade partner. He could not,

488
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Speaker 2: So he comes back to the Chargers with his hat

489
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Speaker 2: in his hand and asks to be compensated in some

490
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Speaker 2: way for having a career a year last year when

491
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Speaker 2: he had almost seventeen hundred rushing yards and I think

492
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Speaker 2: it was eighteen touchdowns. So they put incentives into his contract. Basically, Steve,

493
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Speaker 2: he's got to have another career year like he had

494
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Speaker 2: last season, and he'll get one point seven to five

495
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Speaker 2: million extra. He's not even gonna get two million dollars

496
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Speaker 2: extra if he has a career year again.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he signed a deal. He's twenty eight years old,

498
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Speaker 4: which I thought was wow, that's a little older than

499
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Speaker 4: I thought he was six year veteran. He's on a

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Speaker 4: four year, twenty four point five million dollar contract. Fifteen

501
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Speaker 4: million of it was guaranteed, and he wanted to be

502
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Speaker 4: and I don't know that he just signed it, but nevertheless, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's a revised contract.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so he's yeah, he basically the Chargers told him

505
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Speaker 4: to sit down and shut up and gave him incentives

506
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Speaker 4: that are really going to be difficult to get twelve

507
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Speaker 4: hundred yards.

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Speaker 2: I mean, last year was the first year he really

509
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Speaker 2: stayed healthy the whole season. He had been marred by

510
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Speaker 2: injuries earlier in his career and could never get through

511
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Speaker 2: a seventeen game schedule. For the most part, he did

512
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Speaker 2: last year, and you saw the production.

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Speaker 4: But he is a good player, Oh yeah, no question

514
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 4: about it. But it's just you know, he plays running

515
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Speaker 4: back in the NFL. It's a highly volatile, brutal, an

516
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 4: absolutely brutal way to make a living. Guys don't last

517
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 4: long and when they come to the end of it,

518
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Speaker 4: they use it's usually a roadblock or a cliff. It's

519
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 4: not a steady decline. So the Chargers gave him a

520
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 4: very good contract. He asked for it to be bumped

521
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Speaker 4: and they said no. They did give him some incentive,

522
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Speaker 4: know they sent it. They sprinkled some powdered sugar on.

523
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Speaker 3: That cake, and that was basically it.

524
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Speaker 4: That's basically it.

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Speaker 2: We have to take a break here because when we

526
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Speaker 2: come back, we're going to be joined by our good

527
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Speaker 2: friend Dean Blandino, Fox Sports NFL rules analyst, because we

528
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Speaker 2: got to talk to him about this kickoff rule that

529
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Speaker 2: just got approved by the league's ownership where kickoffs if

530
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Speaker 2: a fair catch is made or signal for the ball

531
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Speaker 2: goes to the twenty five it's the equivalent of a touchback,

532
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Speaker 2: it says turned special teams coordinators around the league inside out.

533
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Speaker 2: So we'll talk with Dean about the possible unintended consequences

534
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Speaker 2: and if this thing has legs that will last for

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Speaker 2: a long time. Back with Dean next here on One

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Speaker 2: Bill's Live. All right, Welcome back to One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. Happy to be joined

538
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Speaker 2: now by Fox Sports NFL rules analysts former NFL Vice

539
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Speaker 2: President of Officiating Dean Blandino, joining us after the approval

540
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Speaker 2: yesterday of the new kickoff rule that will allow returners

541
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Speaker 2: to signal for a fair catch on a kickoff and

542
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Speaker 2: it will essentially work like a touchback. They will get

543
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Speaker 2: the ball for the offense at their own twenty five

544
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Speaker 2: yard line. Dean, how you doing number one and number

545
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Speaker 2: two where you're surprised to see this thing pass?

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Speaker 5: I'm doing well, you know, I wasn't that surprised because

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Speaker 5: I feel like this was something that the League Commissioner Goodell,

548
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Speaker 5: the Health and Safety group was really pushing after we

549
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Speaker 5: continue to see an uptick or an increase in injuries

550
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Speaker 5: on the kick return and the Competition Committee has tried

551
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Speaker 5: to look at the play, change the alignment, change the

552
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Speaker 5: number of players the return team can have in the

553
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Speaker 5: setup zone. But the one thing that they've always fallen

554
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Speaker 5: back on that they know works or works best is

555
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Speaker 5: if you reduce the number of kick returns, you can

556
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Speaker 5: reduce the number of injuries related to kick returns. So

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Speaker 5: I wasn't surprised completely. You know, this had a lot

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Speaker 5: of opposition from coaches, special teams, coaches, coaches especially. That's

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Speaker 5: why it was really tabled to talk to those coaches

560
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Speaker 5: and get more feedback. And then you get into the

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Speaker 5: main meeting, though that's that second meeting where the head

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Speaker 5: coaches aren't there. They're they're at OTAs, So you're not

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Speaker 5: going to get a prominent head coach speaking out against

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Speaker 5: this on the floor, And once the commissioner and once

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Speaker 5: they get the votes, it's very hard, uh to have

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Speaker 5: it change on the floor. And we've got a rule pass.

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Speaker 5: It's a one year rule, and we'll see what happens

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Speaker 5: this year.

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Speaker 4: What's your gut feeling about those those two words they

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Speaker 4: always say in those meetings, unintended consequences. What's your gut feeling?

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Speaker 4: Tell you.

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Speaker 5: My gut feeling is we're going to see those unintended

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Speaker 5: consequences play out over the course of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: three season. And that's something when you don't vet I'm

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Speaker 5: not saying, look, they've looked at the kickoff. I'm not

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Speaker 5: saying this hasn't been vetted out. They've had you know,

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Speaker 5: this goes back to my time with the Competition Committee,

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Speaker 5: going back to twenty seventeen and prior to that. So

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Speaker 5: it's not like they haven't thought about it, looked at

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Speaker 5: the video. But but this is something that you're going

581
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Speaker 5: to see it play out. Are we going to more

582
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Speaker 5: squip kicks? Are we going to see more of those

583
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Speaker 5: things where the kicking team and those and those special

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Speaker 5: teams coaches are going to do some things to kind

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Speaker 5: of prevent a team from just signaling for a fair

586
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Speaker 5: catch and get the ball to twenty five. I think

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Speaker 5: there's risk is involved in this as well. This basically

588
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Speaker 5: is the college rule the colleges had College has had

589
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Speaker 5: this since twenty eighteen. You signal for a fair catch

590
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Speaker 5: at your own three and you muffet and that ball

591
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Speaker 5: hits the ground and now you pick it up. Well,

592
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Speaker 5: that ball's dead and now it's your ball at the

593
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Speaker 5: three yard line. So that's gonna be a big, big

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Speaker 5: difference there. We'll see it play out and we'll see

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Speaker 5: what happens. That's why they put it in for one year,

596
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Speaker 5: because then you don't have to you don't have to

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Speaker 5: vote it out. If it doesn't work, you can just

598
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Speaker 5: let it, you know, let it die and move on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, Dean, I think one of

601
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Speaker 2: the reasons this was pushed through is because of the

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Speaker 2: unintended consequences of moving the kickoff.

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Speaker 3: Lineup to the thirty five.

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Speaker 2: They did that figuring out everybody will take touchbacks and

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Speaker 2: we won't have returns because we'll give them the twenty

606
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Speaker 2: five yard line instead of the twenty and that'll take

607
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Speaker 2: a problem out of the game. Well, then special teams

608
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Speaker 2: coordinators said, well, hold on a second, I'm five yards closer.

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Speaker 3: Let me pop this.

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Speaker 2: Up because I got a good coverage unit and I

611
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: can stop them before the twenty five and that's why

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Speaker 2: returns we're up to thirty eight percent last year, which

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Speaker 2: was the highest I think in three or four years.

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Speaker 3: So you're almost correcting an unintended consequence of a previous

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Speaker 3: rule change, there's no question.

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Speaker 5: And you start to see a pattern, right, and now

617
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Speaker 5: we're going to have this change, and how do the

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Speaker 5: coaches try to circumvent that? And ultimately are we headed

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Speaker 5: toward and I certainly would never want to see this,

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Speaker 5: but are we headed toward getting rid of the play altogether?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 5: And that's kind of I think is a big fear

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Speaker 5: around the league and coaching circles, because it is when

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Speaker 5: you talk about the game, there's three phases, and we're

625
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Speaker 5: talking Steve, you were a guy that you're probably the

626
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Speaker 5: best to ever do it and from a special teams perspective,

627
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Speaker 5: and you've got to be good in all three phases

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Speaker 5: to be successful in this league. And I think that's

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Speaker 5: where we're headed if we can't figure out way to

630
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Speaker 5: reduce some of these injuries, and I know that's the

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Speaker 5: way the league is looking at it.

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Speaker 4: What happens if they do fix that, if they do

633
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Speaker 4: take kickoffs out of the equation because it's admittedly the

634
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Speaker 4: most dangerous play in football. What happens when they say, okay,

635
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Speaker 4: now what's the most dangerous what's the next most dangerous

636
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Speaker 4: play that?

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Speaker 6: You know what?

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Speaker 4: I mean? Now? What happens when they find out that

639
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Speaker 4: fourth and one is the most dangerous playing football and

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Speaker 4: they start to tinker with that? I mean, it starts

641
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Speaker 4: down a slope that's like, uh, you know why, you know,

642
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Speaker 4: where do they stop it? Why do they stop it?

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Speaker 4: Or what's next?

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Speaker 5: I guess, yeah, no question. And I think we've got

645
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Speaker 5: to be careful too with our messaging. And it's such

646
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 5: a great game and it's not you know, yeah, there's injuries.

647
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Speaker 5: There's injuries in sports, regardless of what sport it is,

648
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 5: and but we have to be careful about being so

649
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Speaker 5: over the top in terms of, oh, this is a

650
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Speaker 5: dangerous play, this is a dangerous game. And then you've

651
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Speaker 5: got you know, little kids that that aren't going to

652
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Speaker 5: get an opportunity to play because they're they're parents don't

653
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Speaker 5: want them to play a dangerous game. And I think

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Speaker 5: it is it is where do you where do you

655
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Speaker 5: draw the line? Because look, there's inherent risk in playing sports.

656
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 5: There's inherent risks and playing tackle football, But there's ways

657
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 5: we can make that play. If we see that this play,

658
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 5: this kick return, has more injuries, then how can we

659
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 5: make it safer? You look at I've been involved with

660
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 5: the XFL. Right, we've got a very unique kickoff, and

661
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 5: maybe the league doesn't want to go that far, but

662
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 5: I think there's things you can take from that and

663
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 5: can we make this play a safer play where we

664
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 5: don't have the higher rate of injuries. There's ways to

665
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 5: do it without taking it completely out of the game.

666
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of the XFL, they have that fourth and

667
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: fifteen on side kick option or alternative, I should say,

668
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. You know, at the ends of

669
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 2: games the NFL tabled all their on side kick alternative proposals.

670
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: What do you what at first?

671
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: What has been the what have been the early returns

672
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: on the four more than fifteen when it's been employed,

673
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 2: would have been the reviews of it? And do you

674
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: think the NFL gets to a point where maybe they

675
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: take that a little bit more seriously as a as

676
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 2: an option going forward.

677
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 5: The reviews have been great. You know, the XFL experience

678
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 5: has been really good. You know, the USFL is using

679
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 5: a version of it fourth and twelve, and it really

680
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 5: it's an exciting play. You have your your marquee players involved.

681
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 5: Think about you know, the Eagles did propose this, they

682
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 5: proposed a fourth and twenty.

683
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 7: I think this could happen.

684
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 5: I think when you see the on side kick where

685
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 5: it was, the expected on side kick the success rate

686
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 5: last year was less than four percent. That's such a

687
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 5: critical part of the game when you talk about close

688
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 5: games and giving a team an opportunity to come back

689
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 5: when they're down multiple scores late in the fourth quarter.

690
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 5: And if your success rate on expected on side kicks

691
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 5: is less than four percent, that means that teams aren't

692
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 5: coming back. That means we don't have those exciting finishes.

693
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 5: And who doesn't want to see your marquee players. You're

694
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes, your your Aaron Rodgers, you know, all of

695
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,959
Speaker 5: these guys you know, with the opportunity to extend a drive,

696
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 5: you know, continue to keep the ball with a fourth

697
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 5: and twenty play. So I think if we see the

698
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 5: on side kick continue to be where it's at, you know,

699
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 5: for four percent or less, that's going to be a

700
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 5: serious conversation that the league has to look at because

701
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 5: that's such a big part of the way a team

702
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 5: can come back down multiple scores.

703
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 4: Do you see do you foresee the on side kick

704
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 4: and the lack of its effectiveness and the fact that

705
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 4: it's such a low percentage, you see that being an

706
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 4: added incentive to do away with kickoff altogether and use

707
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 4: the fourth and fifteen player or something they're similar, to

708
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 4: do away with the kick, you know, as a rationale

709
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 4: for doing away with kickoff completely.

710
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 5: I mean that there are some people in the league

711
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 5: that may think that way. I look at him separately.

712
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 5: I look at the on side kick as a separate deal.

713
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 5: And as you know, Steve, that play is right, that

714
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 5: that that's evolved over time. Used to have the used

715
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 5: to have the overload where it was just you know,

716
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 5: you had ten guys to one side, they're all packed

717
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 5: tight together, you kick the ball and you just go

718
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 5: and knock the crap out of everybody on the other side.

719
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 5: And that that play has evolved, and I feel like

720
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 5: that play, you know, can't does have a part in

721
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 5: the game. But if you can add an option, we're saying, hey,

722
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 5: if we if we like our chances on an on

723
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 5: side kick, you know, our kicker is really good. Our

724
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 5: cover team, you know, are are They're really good versus

725
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 5: you know, having an opportunity with your offense to make

726
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 5: a fourth and long uh you know, conversion. I think

727
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 5: it's great to have an option. To me, I look

728
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 5: at them separately. I think the kickoff is a different

729
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 5: issue than the on side kick. They're just two very

730
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 5: different plays to me.

731
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 2: Last year, we witnessed several times, you know, the success

732
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: of the replay assistant in terms of buzzing and buzzing

733
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 2: down to the field correcting something without necessitating a trip

734
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: to the sidelines, reviewing things on a screen. It's just

735
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: a quick buzz down, Hey, you missed this, or the

736
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: spot should be here, or whatever the case might be.

737
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: It seemed like the replay Assistant was not only very

738
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: well received but effective for much of the time when

739
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 2: it came into play last year.

740
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's a great change.

741
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 5: I think there are opportunities where it's obvious that there's

742
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 5: a mistake made on the field and where replay can

743
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 5: come in because anytime you have to okay, make the announcement,

744
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 5: go over, put the headset on. All of that takes time,

745
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 5: and if we already know that we're going to change it.

746
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 5: Why do we have to go through all of that

747
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 5: just to get to where what we already know? So

748
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 5: I think that was a great introduction. I think, you know,

749
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 5: there's always going to be growing pains. You certainly want

750
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 5: it to be seamless, so it has to be obvious,

751
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 5: and I think the league will build on that. So

752
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 5: I think that's a positive change, and it's just something

753
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 5: we're seeing the evolution of replay, the technology and how

754
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 5: it can be and how it can be a positive

755
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 5: and have a positive impact on the game.

756
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 4: You might have touched on this about the third quarterback.

757
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 4: What about the roster changes you've seen evolve over again

758
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 4: Now they've got you know, sixteen guys on the act

759
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 4: on the practice squad, four guys protected, fifty three guys

760
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 4: on the active now the third emergency quarterback. Give us

761
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 4: your insight, where do you think that's headed and is

762
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 4: there ever going to be I mean, you know it

763
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 4: was it was, you know back in the sixties seventies,

764
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 4: like thirty six guys you know now and on college

765
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 4: you got like ninety guys. Some obviously somewhere in between

766
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 4: is going to be pro football. Where do you think

767
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 4: that goes.

768
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 7: I think it's I think it's in a good place now.

769
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 5: You know, you look at the evolution of that, Like

770
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 5: you said, back in the fifties and sixties, you had

771
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 5: you had, you know, thirty five thirty six guys, and

772
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 5: they were playing both ways, right, And the specialization of

773
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 5: the game has really changed and really necessitated the need

774
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 5: to expand roster sizes. You're not playing both offense and defense,

775
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 5: you know, you have specialists. And I think you know

776
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 5: what we saw happened to the forty nine ers in

777
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 5: the NFC Championship game, losing both quarterbacks. And this it's

778
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 5: not a brand new rule. This is a rule that

779
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 5: they brought back a little bit of a tweak. But

780
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 5: I do think, you know, I've been in enough of

781
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 5: those meetings. The one thing that that ownership always pushes

782
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 5: back on is that fifty three man roster, right, that

783
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 5: expanding that because that that's cost right, those are those

784
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 5: are those are costs to that to that owner and

785
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 5: uh and not that they're against it. There's just always

786
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 5: there's got to be a good reason. And I do

787
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 5: think the expanded practice squad is great. I think about

788
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 5: you know, what we're doing with spring leagues and developing

789
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 5: players because that's what that's what it's all about. We've

790
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 5: got to continue to develop players offensive line. Uh, you know,

791
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 5: quarterback play so critical to the success of the game.

792
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 5: So so I do think that will continue. I don't

793
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 5: know how much we'll expand the the you know, the

794
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 5: active roster, but I do. I do like where we

795
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 5: are right now with the expanded practice squad and certainly

796
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 5: the third quarterback and emergency quarterback where where you know,

797
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 5: you get into a unique situation like it, like what

798
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 5: happened to the Niners where they're at such a disadvantage.

799
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: Dean, thanks, as always, we appreciate the input and we'll

800
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: catch up with you down the line.

801
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 7: All right, thanks for having me, guys, take care.

802
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: All right.

803
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: That's Fox Sports NFL rules analyst Dean Blandino, former NFL

804
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: Vice president of Officiating, weighing in on, well, the biggest

805
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: rule change, which is the kickoff rule where you know,

806
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: returners can signal for a fair catch. Now, although we

807
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: did bring up a good point Steve about you know,

808
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: the guy signals for the fair catch and then muff's

809
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: the thing that's where you get it, you know, you

810
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: cover it up and get to.

811
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 4: Fair catch rules are weird too, because if like if

812
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 4: a front guy, if a front line guy calls for

813
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 4: a fair catch, he calls for a fair catch for

814
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 4: the entire team. So if the back if the returner

815
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 4: back there calls for a fair catch and he can't

816
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 4: get to it anybody else who catches it, it's it's fair.

817
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 4: It's fair caught.

818
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

819
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 4: Also, one of the other things that happens too is

820
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 4: a bobble is not a muff, and the difference, and

821
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 4: it's amazing that they have all these words for specific things.

822
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 4: A bobble is when you the ball like binks off

823
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 4: your face mask, goes up in the air, you're still

824
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 4: underneath it and you then you catch it. Right, that's

825
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 4: a that's a bobble. It's like a double catch, right.

826
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 4: A muff is when the ball hits the ground. Until

827
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 4: the ball hits the ground, at least on a punt,

828
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 4: not on a kickoff, until the ball hits the ground,

829
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 4: it's the return team's right to that ball until it

830
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 4: touches the ground. So you can't as a coverage guy

831
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 4: even if he touches it and it goes up in

832
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 4: the air and you and you grab the ball. You

833
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 4: don't get the ball. It's his until it touches the

834
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 4: ground on a punt, on a kickoff, None of that

835
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 4: stuff matters. So if you come up and you got

836
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 4: a kicker who's good enough, he can line drive it

837
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 4: and whack one of those guys on the front line

838
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 4: and it touches.

839
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: Him and then hits the ground.

840
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it bounces up, bounces around. You're it's a live ball.

841
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 4: All thisff it. And I get why a lot of

842
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 4: people are like, you know, ho hum, because the entire

843
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 4: rule book of the NFL you can throw it in

844
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 4: the garbage, because there's an entirely different rule set for

845
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 4: special teams, completely different, right down to how many guys

846
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 4: are on the line of scrimmage. Everything. There's you know,

847
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 4: there's no line of scrimmage on kickoff, right, and you

848
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 4: got like eleven ten guys on the line of scrim

849
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 4: All that stuff's different. How you handle the ball, who's

850
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 4: who can touch it? Number even the number stuff, there's

851
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 4: no number uh requirements on kickoff or punt or punt

852
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 4: return or you know, uh, they do have to call

853
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 4: if you're an ineligible number, you got to you gotta

854
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 4: say I'm eligible and if ineligible, you got to do this.

855
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 4: So you got like eleven guys doing that on punt

856
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 4: punt returns, Like what are you doing? You know? Because

857
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 4: nobody you know, so it does. I mean there's a

858
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 4: lot in it. I mean, I've lived through all the

859
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 4: criticisms of you know, specially you know, you know, you

860
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 4: know my story. I mean, good grief, everybody like how

861
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 4: important can they be? You know? And the old old

862
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 4: guys like Dean and Blandin when I were talking about,

863
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 4: you know, we're the thirty six guys. You had guys

864
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 4: like Deacon Jones, Merlin Olsen, like legendary players.

865
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 2: They're covering kicks, Yeah, the cookie Gil Chris kicking off.

866
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was that's the kind of way

867
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 4: it was. It was like a wave for those for

868
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 4: the really great players to take a playoff well, and

869
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 4: then that they evolved away from that night. Then you

870
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 4: had like professional special teams players doing it, and it

871
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Speaker 4: elevated the game a little bit in its own way.

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Speaker 2: We got to take a break here, but when we

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Speaker 2: come back, topic of discussion for you, what position group

874
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Speaker 2: is drawing your attention the most during these bills OTAs,

875
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Speaker 2: there's a position group that you're keenly interested in. You

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Speaker 2: let us know at eight oh three five fifty one

877
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Speaker 2: eight eight eight five fifty two, five fifty the number

878
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Speaker 2: to get on board, as we are wide open for

879
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Speaker 2: your phone calls until the end of the show, open

880
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Speaker 2: lines for you there. We'll chat with you next here

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Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 3: All right, back on One Bill's Live, Chris.

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Speaker 2: Brown, Steve task it with you talking about a position

884
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Speaker 2: group that's drawing most of your attention. Before we get

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893
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Speaker 2: as we are discussing Steve, the position group that's drawing

894
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Speaker 2: most of your attention here during Bills OTAs and without

895
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Speaker 2: any waste of time, we go and lead off with

896
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Speaker 2: Dennis and Lewiston. What do you got for us, Dennis,

897
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Speaker 2: You're on one Bill's Live.

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Speaker 8: Hey, guys, can you hear me?

899
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah?

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00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 8: All right, Well, once again, thanks for taking my call. Man,

901
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 8: it's been a while. I appreciate you, guys, Love you.

902
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 8: I'm really loving the offensive line. Man. It's like a

903
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 8: brick wall. They are big dudes. And we may have

904
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Speaker 8: a running game now with Harris and Cook and take

905
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Speaker 8: some pressure off of Josh so he doesn't have to

906
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 8: run anymore. He could sit back and be a pocket

907
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 8: passer and pick kings apart. I'm not worried about the defense.

908
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 8: I'm basically just saying I really love what's going on

909
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 8: with the offensive line, and we may have a running

910
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 8: game this year and I'm looking forward to it. Okay,

911
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Speaker 8: I'll let you guys go. I love you guys. I

912
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Speaker 8: talk to you later.

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Speaker 3: All right, thanks, Dans, appreciate the call. I'll say this.

914
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Speaker 3: I was talking with Maddy about this, Steve.

915
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Speaker 2: You know, people were like, oh, you know, your offensive line,

916
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: you did all this stuff with this one guy that

917
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 2: like had it in for Mitch Morris, And I said, eh,

918
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 2: I said, in my opinion, he was one of the

919
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: most consistent linemen on the team last year and may

920
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: have had his best season in a Bill's uniform. I said,

921
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Speaker 2: what you have to look at is what they've done

922
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Speaker 2: on either.

923
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Speaker 3: Side of him.

924
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: The heaviest investment in this offensive line over this past

925
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: offseason has taken place at the guard position, and I

926
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Speaker 2: think it's because a they know they need to have

927
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 2: more consistent play there, but B look at the makeup

928
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Speaker 2: and the body composition of the men they brought in.

929
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Speaker 2: Connor McGovern, giant of a guy, o Cyrus Torrants their

930
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: second round pick three point thirty.

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Speaker 3: David Edwards.

932
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Speaker 2: You heard Steve talking about him yesterday after we got

933
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Speaker 2: our first look at him on the field. He's almost

934
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Speaker 2: as tall as Spencer Brown, and he goes about three

935
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Speaker 2: twenty so size girth, pile pushing ability. And then you

936
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Speaker 2: add in, as Dennis pointed out, the additions of Latavius

937
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Speaker 2: Murray and Damian Harris, two guys with a proven track

938
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Speaker 2: record of between the tackles rushing production. And I think

939
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Speaker 2: it's it's only natural to have the conclusion that this

940
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Speaker 2: team is going to be running inside more effectively this season,

941
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Speaker 2: and maybe a little bit more often.

942
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Speaker 4: In a perfect world, the Bills do a lot of

943
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 4: what they did last year. Offensively, it's Josh throwing the football,

944
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Speaker 4: scoring points, particularly in the second quarter of games, really

945
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Speaker 4: coming out and laying it out there, and then spending

946
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Speaker 4: the entire second half handing it off, killing the game.

947
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Speaker 4: That would be a perfect scenario for the Bills. Their

948
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Speaker 4: inability to ice games with their running game was a

949
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Speaker 4: little bit of a crusher last year. I'll say that

950
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Speaker 4: I went on it. I went on a rant in

951
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 4: the offense in the office today, and I don't want

952
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 4: to This is not a hot to me. This is

953
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 4: not a hot take. Quarterbacks don't get hurt running the ball.

954
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 4: Josh doesn't get hurt running the ball. Randall Cunningham never

955
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 4: got hurt running the ball. John Elway didn't get hurt

956
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 4: running the ball. Mike Vick never got hurt running the ball.

957
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 4: Tim Tebow never got hurt running the ball. What's another one?

958
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 4: Name it? These quarterbacks who run the ball don't get

959
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 4: hurt when they run the ball. Every quarterback that you

960
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 4: ever see get whacked with rare exception, gets hurt standing

961
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 4: in the pocket like a statue. That's where they get hurt.

962
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 4: That's where Josh hurts his elbow. Twice in twenty eighteen

963
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Speaker 4: in Houston and then again this last year. He gets

964
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Speaker 4: hurt in the pocket. You know, look at all the

965
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Speaker 4: quarterbacks he got hurt. Rock Purdy out in San Francisco's

966
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Speaker 4: same injury, gets hurt. You know, all these guys getting

967
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 4: rolled up on getting hit late, getting hit standing in

968
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Speaker 4: the pocket, because that's what you're doing, You're waiting for

969
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 4: the hit. Andrew Luck retired. He didn't get He didn't

970
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 4: retire because he was bowling guys over at the goal line.

971
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Speaker 4: He retired because he was getting whacked taking a hit

972
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Speaker 4: while delivering the throw. You can see two there. There

973
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Speaker 4: have been instances that are not like this, like Carson

974
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Speaker 4: Wentz when he was having the great year in Philly,

975
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Speaker 4: he got hurt jumping diving into the end zone. Okay,

976
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Speaker 4: there's one, but Josh ain't gonna to me. Josh Allen

977
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Speaker 4: isn't gonna get hurt running the ball. That guy's a hammer.

978
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Speaker 4: It's the nail who gets hurt, and when he's standing

979
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 4: in the pocket, he becomes the nail. So I don't

980
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 4: have a problem with Josh running. I wish the offense

981
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 4: was more efficient so that Josh would throw the ball

982
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 4: from the pocket, from a clean pocket, because everybody takes

983
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 4: it for granted that that's going to be the case.

984
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Speaker 4: It's not. If the pocket's clean. Josh will stand there there.

985
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 4: We've seen him, even when he was a rookie. He

986
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Speaker 4: would stand back, Remember he dropped back, and his feet

987
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 4: would just stop. He wouldn't hop he wouldn't shuffle him,

988
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 4: he wouldn't get happy if he'd stand there and wait.

989
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 4: And that's that's great, that's the perfect world. But I'll

990
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 4: tell you what, it's hard to do every time he

991
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 4: I'm less worried about Josh when he runs, and I

992
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 4: am when he's standing in the pocket and it's starting

993
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 4: to collapse around him. That's my take. So this running

994
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 4: game in the offensive line that we're talking about awesome,

995
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 4: But I'm not taking the ball out of Josh's hands,

996
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,959
Speaker 4: as I'm gonna do it as little as I can,

997
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 4: and only when the game is no longer in doubt,

998
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 4: then all hand it off with la Tavius Murray, and

999
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 4: then all hand it off to you know, James Cook,

1000
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 4: or then all hand it off to you know, Damien

1001
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 4: Harris and let those let the big guys steamroll. You know,

1002
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 4: then we can turn into the old Notre Dame offense,

1003
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 4: run run pass punt, you know, run, run, run right

1004
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 4: kill the game. First down, run second down, run third down,

1005
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 4: run first down, first down, run second down, run third down,

1006
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 4: run first down. You know you'll you'll crank out a

1007
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 4: five six minute drive and the game just squeeze. It's

1008
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 4: like that Green Bay game from a year ago. It

1009
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 4: just squeezes the game dead and you win it.

1010
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: So that's what I England game up there last. That's

1011
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: what I came out.

1012
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 4: The I think that's the quintessential look that you want

1013
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 4: to see for these games. For the Bills this year,

1014
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 4: have Josh Cook and do his thing throughout the first

1015
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 4: half and have those huge second quarters like they did

1016
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 4: last year, and then just hand the thing off and

1017
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 4: squeeze the life out of them, you know, and just

1018
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 4: they just run out of possessions.

1019
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 3: What position group is drawing your attention the most during

1020
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 3: Ota sessions here for the Bills, we have to take

1021
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 3: a break here, but Ron and Lackajuana is gonna lead

1022
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 3: us off open lines for you though. At eight oh

1023
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:45,959
Speaker 3: three five.

1024
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: Point fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two five

1025
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: fifty the number to get on board for our number

1026
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: two where we're wide open for your phone calls here

1027
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live, presented by Collie of Health. It's

1028
00:52:54,560 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills Radio.

1029
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health.

1030
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: All right, welcome to our number two here on a Wednesday,

1031
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 2: Chris Brown states, asking review One Bill's Live is the show.

1032
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 3: We're asking you what.

1033
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: Position group is drawing your most attention during OTA's here.

1034
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 2: Maybe there is a position group you absolutely want to

1035
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 2: gobble up as much information as you can on in

1036
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 2: advance of training camp. Learn a little bit more about

1037
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: the players involved, maybe brewing position battles. What position group

1038
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 2: is that you let us know? At eight oh three

1039
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: five point fifty one, eight eight five fifty two, five

1040
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: fifty open lines for you there to get on board.

1041
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 2: As we wait for the rest of you, we bring

1042
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: in Ron in lack of Wana.

1043
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 3: What do you off for us? Ron?

1044
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: Well, I'm good afternoon, guys, great show all the time.

1045
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 3: Thanks.

1046
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: I watch you guys all the time. You guys compliment

1047
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: each other very well.

1048
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you.

1049
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: I hope you guys are out for a long long time. Okay.

1050
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 1: One concern I have is on the offensive line. Great tackle,

1051
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: how is Spencer Brown going to be this year? That's

1052
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: the only question I have as far as the office

1053
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: is line now. The cornerback position is one I'm interested in.

1054
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: With all these corners that we have in I know

1055
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: they like Petford's though. I like the way Benford played.

1056
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: Pepford got got my eye last year and that kindnesseee game,

1057
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: the way he knocked down Derrick Henrick in the backfield

1058
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: for a three yard loss. Uh and that got my

1059
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: eye with him a whole lot and ilia But I

1060
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: think he's coming on and that is there a possible

1061
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: way that they might trade trade weight and get a

1062
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: decent draft pick for him. I'm curious to know what

1063
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: you guys think on that, and I'll hang up and

1064
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: listen to you.

1065
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, thanks, Ron, appreciate the call. Let's start with

1066
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 2: right tackle because that was his first question. I'll take that.

1067
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: You can dice up the cornerback situation with respect to

1068
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: right tackle. And I've said this before. I think Spencer

1069
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: Brown was in a position if we review his career here.

1070
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 2: Year one is a rookie, there are still COVID restrictions

1071
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 2: in place, didn't really have a real preseason training camp,

1072
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 2: all of that stuff, thrust into the starting lineup as

1073
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 2: a rookie, has some ups and downs last year, has

1074
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 2: back surgery right around this time last year, maybe a

1075
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 2: little earlier, and missed most of training camp last summer,

1076
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 2: and I think it set him back in terms of

1077
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 2: being able to roll into the season the right way,

1078
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 2: and then had a couple of nagging injuries last year

1079
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 2: also to go along with it. This is the healthiest

1080
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: and the most normal offseason he has had.

1081
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 4: Not only that, it is year three for him.

1082
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 2: And I've said this before and I'll say it again.

1083
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 2: There is a laundry list of players on this Bill

1084
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 2: squad who have blossomed into what everyone expected them to

1085
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 2: be in year three. Dawson Knox, Tarren Johnson, Josh Allen,

1086
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 2: Matt Milan. I mean, you could run down the list

1087
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 2: of players that have really kind of blossomed in year three.

1088
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 2: And I think Spencer Brown and Greg Russou, for that matter,

1089
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: are two players who I think are both going to

1090
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 2: do that here in twenty twenty three. Now that's not

1091
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 2: to say he's not gonna get competition. They're gonna have

1092
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 2: competition for him in training camp, Make.

1093
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 3: No mistake about that.

1094
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 2: Whether it's David Questionberry, whether it's David Edwards, whoever it is.

1095
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 3: He's going to have competition and be pushed to prove

1096
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 3: that he.

1097
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: Still deserves to be the starter there. But I do

1098
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 2: expect bigger and better things from Spencer Brown.

1099
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 4: This I would too, and I would just add this

1100
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 4: to what Brownie said. Even privately, in no public rhetoric,

1101
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 4: have any of the Bills, Brass or coaches displayed any

1102
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 4: sense that they wanted him replaced, even last year when

1103
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 4: he was a little inconsistent. There was injury, he had

1104
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 4: a high ankle, he has back surgery, had a bad

1105
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 4: off season, it was limited training camp, all of that

1106
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 4: stuff slow start Never has any of have any of

1107
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 4: them privately or publicly said, I don't know about Spencer

1108
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 4: they had. I think they have a lot more faith

1109
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 4: in Spencer Brown than the public might give them credit for.

1110
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 4: I think they expect him to come in and not

1111
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 4: only hold his starting job, but to spread his wings

1112
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 4: a little bit and be somebody that can depend on

1113
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 4: in a much bigger way. So I think that would

1114
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 4: surprise a lot of It surprises me because every time

1115
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 4: I think about it's like, Wow, the team to me,

1116
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 4: feels very differently about Spencer Brown than most of us

1117
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 4: out here, do you know. And so that's that's my

1118
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 4: point about that. So don't be surprised if he's the

1119
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 4: guy at right tackle when the season kicks off. At

1120
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 4: this point, it won't surprise me because of their faith

1121
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 4: in him, or at least the perceived faith that I'm

1122
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 4: seeing from them. On the other hand, yes, Corner, I

1123
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 4: do not foresee Tredavious White not being a bill. You know,

1124
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 4: throughout this next contract. Anything can happen at the end

1125
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 4: of that, whether he wants to. He's Yeah, he is

1126
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,959
Speaker 4: a guy I think they love. I think he loves

1127
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 4: to be a Buffalo Bill. You're right with the quality

1128
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 4: of guys they have around him, with Taron Johnson, Kyer Elam,

1129
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 4: Christian Benford to name three, Dane Jackson, Dane Jackson, and

1130
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 4: you know the guy you just mentioned today, JaMarcus Ingram.

1131
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, they're deep at that spot. But you

1132
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 4: gotta be in the NFL. You need a bunch of

1133
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 4: guys like that can play. Even so, I don't think

1134
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 4: Tredevius White is one of those guys that would even

1135
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 4: be on the table to consider trading. I think they

1136
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 4: I think they love him too much, you know what.

1137
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 3: I'm saying that they were.

1138
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 2: John Butler spoke to the media yesterday the the secondary coach,

1139
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 2: passing game coordinator, coach whatever he was singing Trey's praises.

1140
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 2: Sean McDermott was saying the same thing yesterday when he

1141
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: addressed the media. I mean, they're both saying I can't

1142
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 2: find a player that tries to up the ante every

1143
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 2: season to work even harder, right, That's who he is.

1144
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 3: That's just his makeup, right.

1145
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 4: So I while I get the rationale behind it. If

1146
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 4: you've got all these guys, yeah, you feel like you

1147
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 4: feel like you're neck deep and really good guys. The

1148
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 4: one who's the most valuable is the one that you

1149
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 4: may be able to do without like you did last

1150
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,479
Speaker 4: year until Thanksgiving and then to get something really good

1151
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 4: in return, like a number one in return for a

1152
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 4: guy in his prime at that spot. I see the enticement,

1153
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 4: but I just don't know if the if there's a

1154
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 4: I don't know if there's a will to get that

1155
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 4: done from the Bulls.

1156
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 2: Because if he's not here, that means you're probably starting

1157
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 2: two second year corners on the outside. Unless Dane Jackson

1158
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 2: is better or you know, deemed better by the coaching staff.

1159
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 4: I get it. I mean they prove they could win

1160
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 4: games without him last year before Thanksgiving. I get it.

1161
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 4: But I mean that's I.

1162
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 3: Think he makes you supremely better on the back end.

1163
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 4: Yes, that is the kind of player that It says

1164
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 4: something about your credibility in the locker room if you're

1165
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 4: going to trade a guy like that from what you're

1166
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 4: telling everybody else, like, we're going to take care of you,

1167
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 4: we love you, guys, you're a guy. But if you're

1168
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 4: going to get rid of a guy like.

1169
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 2: That, does everything the right way, says all the right things,

1170
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,959
Speaker 2: plays consistently as any player on the field.

1171
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 4: He's the quintessential guy that you want to draft, develop, pay,

1172
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 4: and play his entire career in your organization. He's that

1173
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 4: kind of guy. So to trade him.

1174
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 3: Says something about flies in the face all exactly.

1175
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 4: Flies in the face of your you know, your loyalty,

1176
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 4: your players, your affection for your players, and your desire

1177
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 4: to get guys and keep them who can really help you.

1178
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 4: So I don't know, I see the rationale in a

1179
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 4: dispassionate sort of way, but I think culturally, I don't

1180
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 4: think that fits the Bills core beliefs.

1181
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 2: Eight oh three five point fifty one eighty eight five

1182
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 2: point fifty two, five point fifty the number to get

1183
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 2: on board? What position group is drawing your attention the most?

1184
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 2: Here in OTAs for the Bills, you got a call

1185
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 2: for cornerback. We had another one for offensive line. Maybe

1186
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 2: there's a position group that hasn't been mentioned yet that

1187
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 2: is drawing your attention, something that you're kind of keeping

1188
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 2: your ear to the ground on to see how things

1189
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 2: pan out. You know, one position I'm surprised hasn't been

1190
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 2: mentioned yet is linebacker. I'm shocked. I thought out of

1191
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 2: the shoot people be all about it. I got to

1192
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,479
Speaker 2: see what happens in linebacker. Who's winning that middle linebacker job?

1193
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 2: Who's going to take that position?

1194
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 4: You know?

1195
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: And it's going to be interesting to see because it's

1196
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 2: not just two guys battling it out. You've got a

1197
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 2: pool of candidates. And then the next question becomes, Steve,

1198
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: when does the coaching staff reduce that pool from four

1199
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 2: to three or from three to two, because there's only

1200
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 2: so many reps to go around number one and number two.

1201
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 2: You have a finite amount of time to get whoever

1202
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 2: the starter is ready for the regular season to run

1203
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 2: your defense right.

1204
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 4: And the Bills have you know they at the beginning

1205
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 4: I've heard you know that they were going to let

1206
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,439
Speaker 4: the draft pick. He was going to be the guy

1207
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 4: that takes first red. You know he's gonna get a

1208
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 4: chance to play. Maybe maybe not. But how those rep

1209
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 4: ian we watch them, brown You're the best because I

1210
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 4: don't have to do it when you do it. Brownie

1211
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 4: watches the reps and says, he's in this many plays.

1212
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 4: This guy's in that many plays. You guys, notebook out.

1213
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 4: He's writing all this stuff down like you know, like

1214
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 4: the old time newspaper reporters. And it means something. And

1215
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 4: I remember as a player it really meant something. Today

1216
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 4: I'm getting four reps with the twos tomorrow and one

1217
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 4: rep with the ones. And now I'm getting two reps

1218
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 4: with the ones and two reps with the twos.

1219
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 3: Right, So let me ask you this.

1220
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: You're saying it means something as a player, and yet

1221
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 2: at the same time we hear coaches say all the

1222
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 2: time they tell their players, don't count the reps.

1223
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 3: Just play as best as you can when you're.

1224
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 4: On the field, and that's that's the way he should

1225
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 4: be as a player. But the reps do mean something.

1226
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 3: All right, and guys are counting even when they're.

1227
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 4: Told, now, here's the thing. It means something all the time,

1228
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 4: no question about. Because you're everything's filmed. If you take

1229
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 4: a rep in practice, it's on film forever, so you

1230
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 4: got to know that it means something there. But sometimes

1231
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 4: the coaches are like going, you know, what would he

1232
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 4: be like if if he's on the field opposite this guy,

1233
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 4: or I want to see him. I want to see

1234
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 4: him play a defensive rep against Josh and Diggs rather

1235
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 4: than you know, Matt Barkley.

1236
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 3: And fourth string receiver exactly.

1237
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 4: I want let's see what he does against the guys.

1238
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: You know.

1239
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 4: And you can misinterpret what the coaches are doing in

1240
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 4: their little chemical experiment and and think it's a different experiment.

1241
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. So you just put your

1242
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 4: head down and take your reps. But there's no no

1243
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 4: doubt we were on it last you were on it

1244
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 4: last year when Christian Benford go, he's running with the twos? Yeah,

1245
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 4: what the twos? Whatever? You know, he's a six round

1246
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 4: draft pick in Kyrie Elam. He's rotating half and half

1247
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 4: with Kyrie Elim. I go, really, yeah, guess who's taking

1248
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 4: rips with the ones? Christian Benford.

1249
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 3: I remember that.

1250
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 4: I was like, and that got my ach. I was like,

1251
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 4: really and I and sure enough.

1252
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 2: There he was because he was a six round pick, yeah,

1253
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 2: out of Villanova, and you got a number one pick

1254
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 2: at the same spot.

1255
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 4: So that you know, there are some teams that that

1256
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 4: just does not fly.

1257
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 3: That wouldn't happen, even if it should.

1258
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 4: Politically from the top down, even if it should from

1259
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 4: even if that's right, if from a football standpoint it

1260
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 4: should happen politically, it will not happen. And that's you

1261
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 4: know something, no, kid yourself, that happens sometimes not apparently

1262
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 4: not in Buffalo, which is I'm telling you what.

1263
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 3: You get a fair shake here maybe anywhere.

1264
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 4: Else exactly, And that in and of itself is part

1265
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 4: of the reason. Like you know, the trade white trade

1266
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 4: we were just talking about, they ain't doing that. Yeah,

1267
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 4: they if they say it, they do their best to

1268
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 4: make it happen. If you if they say they're gonna

1269
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 4: give you a chance, you're gonna get a chance. It's

1270
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 4: up to you to do the best with it, and

1271
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 4: there is proof up and down the roster that they

1272
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 4: stand by that. Yeah. And Matt Mulano, great example, Dawson Knox,

1273
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 4: great example. You know, Tremaine Edmonds, he gets it, he

1274
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 4: hits a home run, Deon Dawkins. You know, they're still

1275
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 4: kicking themselves over Whyatt Teller. You knew they're still kicking

1276
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 4: themselves over Wyatt Teller. They're like, yeah, you know, so

1277
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 4: they stand by it. And it goes from every aspect.

1278
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 4: And you got guys like von Miller signing up here

1279
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 4: because they hear what it's like. You know, that's Steph

1280
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 4: Digg's coming in. He's a well, he's not really a

1281
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 4: diva the guys. He's a team team. Yeah. I mean

1282
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 4: that it's big and so this stuff, you know, the

1283
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 4: stuff about you know, trade and Trey White, this linebacker stuff,

1284
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 4: who's going to take reps? I'm just going to write

1285
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 4: it on the white. You want you to stay on

1286
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 4: top of that because I don't want to.

1287
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 2: Have to well and we heard, well, we heard coach

1288
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 2: McDermott say yesterday in his press conference that third round

1289
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 2: pick Dorian Williams is going to start.

1290
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 3: By lining up there.

1291
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 2: I don't think it means he's going to be the

1292
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 2: first team guy. I think that's where he's going to

1293
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 2: start lining up. He's going to learn that position, but

1294
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 2: he may also learn Matt Mulono's position at some point

1295
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Speaker 2: in time.

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Speaker 4: If you learn that spot, the Tremaine Edmund spot, you're

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Speaker 4: going to know a lot about every other position.

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Speaker 2: But he basically coach basically confirmed yesterday that where that's

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Speaker 2: where Dorian Williams is going to be lining up to

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01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 2: begin with. That'll be the first position that he tries

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01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 2: to mask and learn between now and the time they

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01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 2: get to training camp, and then where does he take

1303
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 2: it from there when the pads go on and real

1304
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 2: football shows up and preseason games are happening.

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Speaker 3: So he's part of that.

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Speaker 2: We I think it's pretty safe to assume that Bayle

1307
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 2: Inspector and Terrell Bernard are going to be part of

1308
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 2: that competition as well.

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01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 3: Is aj Klein going to be part of.

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Speaker 4: That or is he just going to be veteran insurance

1311
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 4: or is he in there?

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Speaker 2: Dodson's in there, and we heard McDermott say after the

1313
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 2: draft that Dotson is first in line because he's got

1314
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:31,719
Speaker 2: the most experienced There are the guys.

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Speaker 4: On the roster. Dorian Williams is a great because he's

1316
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 4: got that skill set to be in there. And he

1317
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 4: went back and I don't know if you tip me

1318
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 4: off to it, or maybe it was you know some

1319
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 4: of our friends on social media talking about Baylen Spector

1320
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 4: is in that mix. Bayle Inspector. You look back at

1321
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 4: his test numbers coming out in the draft, pretty good.

1322
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 4: The guy's an athlete, you know so well.

1323
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 2: You have to be if you're playing on special teams

1324
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 2: as much as he did last year, right to.

1325
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Speaker 4: Make a team, Yeah, to be on the active roster

1326
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 4: on game Baylor Specter was there every week. It's big.

1327
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 4: So they've got some guys they like. I have no

1328
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 4: idea who like who they like the best, And I

1329
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 4: don't know if they do, you know.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying.

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01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 2: So, but I'm wondering because we really haven't seen this

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01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 2: to any great degree, Steve, at least in terms of

1333
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 2: the numbers that we're dealing with at middle linebacker. Like

1334
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 2: we've seen position battles in the McDermott being regime.

1335
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 4: It's two guys between this guy and this guy, right right.

1336
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 3: It's not been like three four guys.

1337
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 2: You got four guys in this pool, maybe five pick

1338
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,719
Speaker 2: them out of a hat, and I'm curious to see

1339
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 2: how coach McDermott and his defensive staff handle that. When

1340
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 2: does the list get whittled down to four? When does

1341
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 2: it get whittled down to three? By the time you

1342
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 2: get to mini camp, you're down to three guys. By

1343
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 2: the time you're a week one in training camp, you're

1344
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 2: down to two guys? Or are you gonna play a

1345
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 2: preseason game and then get it down to two?

1346
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 1: Right?

1347
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 3: You know?

1348
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 2: And because there is on the front end, you want

1349
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 2: enough time to properly evaluate it everybody and give them

1350
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 2: their fair shake. But on the back end, you want

1351
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 2: to have enough time to get whoever you pick to

1352
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 2: be the starter be ready to play week one against

1353
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 2: Aaron freakin.

1354
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 4: Rogers because you an old coach, one of the best

1355
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 4: coaches ever had. Nick Nikolaus said this, He goes, you

1356
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 4: don't want to get two guys half ready to play.

1357
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 4: You want to get one guy ready. And that's what

1358
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 4: happens late in training camp, when you get into the

1359
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 4: preseason games, you gotta get one guy ready to play

1360
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 4: the Jets on Monday Night. You got to get that

1361
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 4: guy ready for that spot. The quarterback's got to be ready.

1362
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 4: That guy's got to be. The other guys behind them,

1363
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 4: it's on them to be ready. But everybody's got to

1364
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 4: get that guy ready. So that's where you start to

1365
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 4: get into the schedule.

1366
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 2: Right when when does the scale tip from we got

1367
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 2: to give everybody a fair shake too. We gotta get

1368
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 2: this guy ready. We've got to get him ready. It

1369
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 2: tips to get ready. Where is that tipping point? Because

1370
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 2: it's different for different coaching staffs as we've just I mean,

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01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 2: we've gone through a lot of coaching staffs here over

1372
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 2: the last twenty years, Steve so and we've seen a

1373
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 2: lot of those multiple player competitions, particularly a quarterback, and

1374
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 2: we've seen different coaches choose different times to where that

1375
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 2: balance shifts from evaluation to.

1376
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 3: Let's get this guy ready.

1377
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:14,879
Speaker 4: He's the guy.

1378
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 2: And I wonder where it is for mcderman, because, like

1379
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 2: I said, we really haven't seen it with a multiple prospect,

1380
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 2: multiple candidate position.

1381
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: Bat.

1382
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 4: Now here's the thing too, We you and I we're

1383
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 4: gonna be out there. We're gonna be watching like a

1384
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 4: hawk who's out there in game in training camp. That's

1385
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 4: when the rubber really meets the road. You start getting

1386
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 4: guys are taking serious reps and none of it's you know,

1387
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 4: full contact, but it's meaningful reps at a competitive level

1388
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 4: without without tackling, and it's the serious nuts and bolts

1389
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 4: of an NFL season. And they're getting the guys in

1390
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 4: there they want to look at and they're given a

1391
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 4: chance to and you and I are going to be

1392
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 4: watching those reps take place, and that's going to be

1393
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 4: the really interesting part of it because how many reps

1394
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 4: in a row does one guy take? And what and

1395
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 4: then you know, not only that, how many reps he takes,

1396
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 4: what's he do the next day? Then another guy's in

1397
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 4: the next day. Right, That's that's the really interesting part

1398
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 4: of training camp that I think we're you know, you

1399
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 4: just got to watch and see, because I don't think

1400
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 4: they know at this point, and they shouldn't know at

1401
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 4: this point, given them the flux at the position, the

1402
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 4: fact that you plucked the you know, the lead dog

1403
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 4: out of the pack and he's gone to Chicago and

1404
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 4: Tremaine Tremaine Edmonds. It's training camp is really going to

1405
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:38,879
Speaker 4: be interesting.

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01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 2: And there's an added element to this position battle too,

1407
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 2: because unlike maybe some other positions like receiver, for example,

1408
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 2: who's getting consistent separation, who's making plays, who's catching the

1409
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 2: ball consistently, you know who's winning in contested situations. These

1410
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 2: are all things that go into an evaluation of a

1411
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 2: receiver on his own merit. It's been a linebacker position.

1412
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,480
Speaker 2: It's not just you effectively executing your assignments.

1413
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 4: You canna get.

1414
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 3: Everybody else lined up. You gotta make the right checks

1415
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:09,640
Speaker 3: pre snap like.

1416
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 2: It's all of that stuff in addition to your abilities

1417
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,719
Speaker 2: as a middle linebacker executing your own assignment.

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01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 4: I'll say this too, And then what I was saying

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01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 4: just a minute ago, I was ramblin. I forgot the

1420
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,679
Speaker 4: point I was actually trying to make. I apologize. They

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01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 4: get information from these guys not just on the field

1422
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:29,759
Speaker 4: during reps, but in meetings and in conversations and drill

1423
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 4: you see on this in conversations about what they're seeing

1424
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 4: about themselves on the film and what they're seeing and

1425
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 4: asking questions about about other guys who are playing their

1426
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 4: position on the film, they get way more information to

1427
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 4: evaluate who's better in one way or another away from

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01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 4: the eyes of us watching reps in practice, the meetings,

1429
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 4: the film study the conversations they have about and the

1430
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 4: knowledge they divulge about what they do and what they

1431
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 4: do not know, and how that's changing all the time.

1432
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 4: They've got the coaches, coaching staff has a lot more

1433
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 4: information than just the reps on the film to make

1434
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 4: these evaluations, which I think sometimes and you'll see you

1435
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 4: know what I'm talking about, Brownie. You go out there

1436
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 4: and people be like, oh, they're like this guy better

1437
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 4: than that guy. I thought that guy was playing really good.

1438
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:23,600
Speaker 4: I thought he's you know, why is he not?

1439
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 3: You know?

1440
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 4: And it has to do with some of the stuff

1441
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,839
Speaker 4: we don't see. Some of the stuff we don't see,

1442
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 4: not always, and it's not all, and it's not all

1443
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 4: and it's not personal stuff. It's not like the fact

1444
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 4: that you know, whatever he's going through something with his wife,

1445
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 4: or he's got personal problems, or he's got you know,

1446
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 4: his mom is sick or that. No, it has to

1447
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 4: do with the guy really knows which questions he needs

1448
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 4: to answer, has ask you know, it's all that information.

1449
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 4: So there's times and you you I can't think of

1450
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 4: an example, but you know, you remember the feeling you

1451
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 4: get in camp when that happens. A guy goes in

1452
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 4: it's like, Wow, they're moving that guy up. It's all

1453
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:02,879
Speaker 4: the stuff we can't.

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01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 2: See right, Like is the question super basic that this

1455
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 2: guy's asking in meetings every day about where he's got

1456
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 2: to line up? Or is he asking those nuanced questions

1457
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 2: about cheating a half a step this way when I

1458
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 2: see the back in the backfield over here so I

1459
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 2: can get a better.

1460
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 3: Angle to it. Like it's that kind of stuff where

1461
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 3: the coach is like, oh, he's on it.

1462
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 4: Is it okay for me to take it? If I

1463
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 4: see this guard do this? Is it right for me

1464
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 4: to take a chance and run straight to the spot.

1465
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 4: That kind of stuff, or you know what happens if

1466
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 4: if we get motion away, you know and that that Yeah,

1467
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 4: it's coaches are like, oh yeah, good question do we

1468
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 4: have because you'll know I haven't covered that good question,

1469
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? So so much goes on

1470
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 4: in training camp that you can never know or never

1471
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 4: There's just so much information that will never know about

1472
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 4: or never see, and it's all has nothing to do

1473
01:15:58,400 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 4: with what we see on the practice field.

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01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 2: Break time for us here, but still taking your phone

1475
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 2: calls at ATO three oh five fifty one eight eight

1476
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Speaker 2: eight five fifty two five fifty open.

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Speaker 3: Line for you there?

1478
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 2: What position group is drawing your attention the most during

1479
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 2: Bill's OTA's you let us know when we return here

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01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health, It's Buffalo

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Speaker 2: Bill's Radio.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back to One Bill's Live.

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01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 2: Chris Brown's you task you with you talking about the

1484
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 2: position group that's drawing most of your attention here during

1485
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 2: Bill's OTA's a position group you want to find out

1486
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 2: more about before we get to training camp. And we

1487
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 2: go back to the phones at eight O three oh

1488
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Speaker 2: five fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two five

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01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:45,919
Speaker 2: fifty lead off with David in Buffalo.

1490
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 4: What do you got for us? David?

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Speaker 9: Hey, how you guys doing. We're good to see both

1492
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 9: of y'all are regular. Hey, My most important thing is

1493
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 9: that linebacker and also to tight ends, because you know

1494
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 9: we've been doing what we've been doing, it seemed like

1495
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 9: we could made a little bit more progress, especially at

1496
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 9: the tight end spot. And I would love to see

1497
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 9: who is there to hope out at middle linebacker. I

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01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 9: listen and thank you guys very much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's a good point.

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Speaker 2: You know, we had talked about linebacker a little bit

1501
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 2: in the last segment, but tight end, yeah, I think

1502
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 2: it's I think it's more steve about what it's gonna

1503
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 2: look like than who the like. At linebacker, people want

1504
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 2: to know who's the starter gonna be It's a who.

1505
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 3: Question that middle linebacker.

1506
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 4: Is the guy gonna be a playmaker? Is he gonna be?

1507
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:33,719
Speaker 4: A who's gonna do it?

1508
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 2: It's a who question. At tight end, it's gonna be well,

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01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 2: what's that gonna look like?

1510
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think there's that many people who were

1511
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 4: down on Dawson Knox. Oh no, no, you know what

1512
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 4: I mean. I mean because I liked him. I thought

1513
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 4: he played well. I thought he got better every year.

1514
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 4: Remember he came in his rookie year. He couldn't catch

1515
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 4: anything last year. In the last two years and of

1516
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 4: course in the year he really blossomed, he catches it

1517
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 4: extremely Well, what's it gonna look like? And how if

1518
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 4: Dawson Knox comes out and plays well, why would you

1519
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 4: take him off the field in first, second, and third

1520
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 4: down when he blocks in the run very well? He

1521
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 4: runs routes and Josh knows him and they you know,

1522
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 4: they got a great rapport and he has put together

1523
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 4: good seasons in the past. When you got a guy

1524
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 4: like Dalton king Kate who doesn't run block all that well,

1525
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 4: but he can run routes and do all the other stuff,

1526
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:24,719
Speaker 4: how do you get him on the field and contribute?

1527
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 4: What's it gonna look like? It's almost And plus if

1528
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 4: you put Dalton kin Kid out there, if if it's

1529
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,639
Speaker 4: Dawson Knox who stays on the field as well, who

1530
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 4: comes off? Diggs's gonna stay out there? Is Davids gonna

1531
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 4: stay out there? Or is Deontae Hardy or SHANKI Field,

1532
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 4: Trent Sherfield, who's gonna be Who's gonna be out there?

1533
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 4: Or do you do you put Nahim Hines out there

1534
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 4: with with Cook James Cook? And I get it. It

1535
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 4: could be all of the above at some point, and

1536
01:18:56,320 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 4: it probably will be. But this was a team there's

1537
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 4: like ninety eleven personnel. They're gonna get away from that

1538
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 4: because of Dalton Kincaid or do they keep doing it

1539
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 4: and whenever Dalton Kinkaid comes on the field, they know

1540
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 4: they're never gonna run it. Yeah, It's I'm not saying

1541
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 4: he's a he can't block, He's a willing blocker. He's

1542
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 4: not as good at as he needs to.

1543
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 3: Be, right.

1544
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 2: I don't think he's a throwaway in the blocking game, right,

1545
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think he would be the first to

1546
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 2: tell you I can get better in that.

1547
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 4: The point is it's not about who the who who

1548
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 4: are going to be the tight ends? It's what's how

1549
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 4: are they going to be utilized? Yeah, who's gonna be

1550
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 4: on the field all the time and when and how

1551
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 4: are they gonna be used.

1552
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 3: Let's go back to the phones and to Jeff in

1553
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 3: Buffalo next. What do you got for us?

1554
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 4: Jeff?

1555
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 10: Hi, guys, I was saying, the running back situation I

1556
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 10: think is really interesting. Uh And the way that you know, uh,

1557
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 10: Dorsey schemes this thing up because you know, they with

1558
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 10: Damian Harris and Cook and how and all that they

1559
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:03,480
Speaker 10: could have. They could go to a two back backfield

1560
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 10: with Harris and I don't know if they even do

1561
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 10: that anymore, but if they do, they could go to

1562
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 10: a two back backfield with Harris and Cook and have

1563
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 10: uh Kincaid at tight end who is also a wide receiver.

1564
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 10: They could wind up with three wide receivers like that

1565
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 10: and have a two back backfield where you don't know

1566
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 10: whether they're going to run or whether they're going to pass,

1567
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 10: and they could have two guys in the backfield blocking

1568
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 10: on a passing situation, or they could have Cooked you know,

1569
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 10: you know, sport out of the backfield for you know,

1570
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:39,600
Speaker 10: for as a receiver or something. Uh, give them. I

1571
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 10: think it would give them a lot of versatility if

1572
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 10: they did go to a two back backfield. But I

1573
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 10: don't know if they even do that anymore. There you go.

1574
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 10: That's that, that's my my feeling. There you go.

1575
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, Jeff. We we've talked about a little bit

1576
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 4: in weeks past or days past about positions football. That's

1577
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 4: kind know what you're talking about. You got a guy

1578
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 4: like James Cook all of a sudden, now he's the

1579
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 4: ex boundary receiver right outside the numbers, outside the numbers,

1580
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 4: lined up with a corner out there treating him like

1581
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 4: he's Steph Diggs. Right, You got Steph Diggs as a

1582
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:15,799
Speaker 4: slot guy on the other side, and then you got two.

1583
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 4: You got James Cook out wide. Then you got like,

1584
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 4: you know, little Latavious Murray six' one two fifteen, two

1585
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 4: twenty in the backfield, and you got Dalton Kin Kate

1586
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 4: and Dawson Knox split out wide to the right, the

1587
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 4: white side of the field. Big guys. And now they

1588
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 4: come out there and they're in dime package, and they

1589
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 4: got like seven DB's on the field, and all of

1590
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 4: a sudden they break formation. They all pack it in.

1591
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 4: You got Latavius Murray and James Cook on the field,

1592
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 4: and you got like eight guys in the box offensively,

1593
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 4: nine guys in the box offensively, and Steph Diggs out

1594
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 4: by himself. They got problems with a bunch of one

1595
01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 4: hundred and ninety pounds DB's on the field. So yes,

1596
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 4: it's fun to think about stuff like that because we

1597
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 4: don't you know, our job doesn't depend on it working

1598
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 4: right right.

1599
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:11,560
Speaker 3: But I will say.

1600
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 2: The versatility of the group that Brandon Bean has assembled

1601
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:23,480
Speaker 2: here on this roster, I think outweighs the options, outnumbers

1602
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 2: the options that were at Ken Dorsey's disposal last year.

1603
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:27,560
Speaker 3: That's in spades.

1604
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 2: At the running back position, you're more versatile. At the

1605
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,680
Speaker 2: receiver position, you're more versatile, and at the tight end

1606
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 2: position you're more versatile. It's across the board as I

1607
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 2: see it.

1608
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 4: I think it's versatility as well as specialization. I mean

1609
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 4: it's all I mean, you're just better at all the

1610
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 4: skill positions. I believe you. And I talked about the

1611
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:47,640
Speaker 4: receivers we saw at there, like there's some guys with

1612
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 4: some physical traits out there, big dudes at wide receiver.

1613
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:55,679
Speaker 4: You got Latavious Murray and Damien Harris and James Cook

1614
01:22:56,200 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 4: in the fold. Those guys have got big, strong, hammer,

1615
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 4: fast back, elusive back. And the two guys that Murray

1616
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 4: and Harris they never turn it over.

1617
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:09,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't fumble.

1618
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 4: They got Dalton Kin Kaid and Dawson Knox and this

1619
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 4: just in Dalson. Dawson Knox is a big dude, big

1620
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 4: for even very tight end in the NFL standards. So

1621
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 4: you've got all the physical tools you could possibly want

1622
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 4: to be a creative offensive coordinator. And they played extremely

1623
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 4: well without all of these guys last year. They were

1624
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 4: number two in the league in scoring. They were they

1625
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 4: were knocking people around. Certainly at times it looked like

1626
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 4: a heavy lift, but you look at the injuries they

1627
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 4: were suffering at the time and the fact that Josh

1628
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 4: wasn't one hundred percent some of the time. It's I

1629
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 4: have I have every reasonable be very optimistic about what

1630
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 4: this offense is going to look like this year, but

1631
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 4: there's too many opts just to even start going down

1632
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 4: the list.

1633
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1634
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,600
Speaker 2: Speaking of going down the list, we go back to

1635
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 2: the phone list and we got Mike and Florida nixt.

1636
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 6: What do you got for us, Mike, Yeah, I want

1637
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 6: to respond to your position group.

1638
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1639
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 6: I think the offense is going to be much better.

1640
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 6: But my thing is the defense. I think that with

1641
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 6: our front four would put a front four in there.

1642
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 6: I think the back seven could play almost any position

1643
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 6: back there. I think with the guys they added, like

1644
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 6: Wrap and the quick linebackers, I think they could. I

1645
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 6: think they're going to be phenomenal. I think Fraser's gone,

1646
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 6: and I think min Dermott's going to do a better

1647
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 6: job than we've done in the past.

1648
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 3: All right, Mike, appreciate the phone call. Thanks.

1649
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1650
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 2: I mean we were just talking about how you're more

1651
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,640
Speaker 2: versatile across the board, and you're giving Ken Dorsey more

1652
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 2: options across the board at the offensive skilled positions. You

1653
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 2: can make the argument the same way on the defensive side.

1654
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 2: On the back seven. To Mike's point, Taylor Rap I

1655
01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 2: think is a fascinating chess peace. I mean he's he

1656
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 2: could do a number of things for you. You know,

1657
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:08,440
Speaker 2: the versatility of Poyer and Hyde is a foregone conclusion.

1658
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 2: And while you may not have Gurthy plug somebody in

1659
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:20,520
Speaker 2: the hole type linebackers in players like Bernard or Dorian Williams,

1660
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:24,600
Speaker 2: you do have athletes there that might be able to

1661
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 2: afford you to do some different things as well. So yeah,

1662
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 2: and then you couple that with a new play caller

1663
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 2: and Sean McDermott, and I think there's a number of

1664
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 2: options for him at his disposal as well from a

1665
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 2: play calling and scheming standpoint.

1666
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the fact that the Bills have and

1667
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 4: wrap You're right, and we see some highlights. Now Rap

1668
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 4: is a physical player. I think over the last two years,

1669
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 4: where you've gotten guys like you know, Jakwan Jones and

1670
01:25:55,640 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 4: Jordan Phillips and now Poon Afford, you've got these beefy,

1671
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 4: girthier guys down inside, the need for a guy of

1672
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:13,599
Speaker 4: the dimensions of Tremaine Edmonds is diminished and you can

1673
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 4: get guys with other traits to play the position. I

1674
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 4: think that'll be interesting to see what Sean McDermott does

1675
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 4: with it. There's so much we do not even you know,

1676
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 4: it's crazy to think about it. We got the same

1677
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 4: coaching staff except for now the defensive coordinators change. We

1678
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 4: have no idea what this defense is going to look like.

1679
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a four to three I think right

1680
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 4: it's and that's about it. They have been a team

1681
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 4: unlike any other in the NFL of late of the

1682
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 4: last you know, the the Leslie Frasier years. They never

1683
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:53,839
Speaker 4: got out of nickel defense. It was five to three corners,

1684
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 4: two safeties, two linebackers, four defensive linemen. Now they rotate

1685
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 4: the defensive lineman as we've talked about bunch, but it

1686
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 4: was that combination of players ninety percent of the time.

1687
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 4: The only time it wasn't was when it was short

1688
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 4: yarded your goal line and they went have you know,

1689
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 4: when it was the big guys going in a six

1690
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 4: man defensive line, four linebackers, you know that kind of thing.

1691
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 4: I don't know that that's going to be the case

1692
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 4: so much now going forward. They got some benefit from it,

1693
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 4: a ton of benefit from it because teams, you know,

1694
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 4: they line up and it's the same look every single snap.

1695
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 4: Now then they'd stem it and because of Poyer and hide,

1696
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 4: they could do anything back in the back end, and

1697
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 4: they were really good at it. Yeah, and that was

1698
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 4: a plus for the team because the quarterback had to

1699
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 4: wait until after the ball was snapped even to see

1700
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 4: what was going on back there every single play. That's

1701
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 4: a big advantage, and they did that because it was

1702
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 4: the same personnel all the time. Do we see some changes?

1703
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 3: I think we will.

1704
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 2: I think we will break time for us here, Steve

1705
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 2: and I had to wrap it up. We'll see if

1706
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 2: we can squeeze in a phone call when we were

1707
01:27:57,320 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 2: turning here on one Bill's Live presented by Collide Health's

1708
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 2: Buffalo bit Rady. All Right, so final thoughts on the

1709
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:15,639
Speaker 2: tweetsheet here is we've got just a little bit of time.

1710
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 2: Connor said, middle linebacker, for sure. I'm interested to see

1711
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 2: if Doriyan Williams can edge out Bernard Dodson, inspector and

1712
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 2: Klein Ryan says, wide receiver. It appears with Josh's maturation

1713
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 2: and accuracy improvements, they are moving away from small, speedy

1714
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 2: players needing separation to possession types with good ball skills.

1715
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 3: What do you think of that? Well, I don't know

1716
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 3: if I wholeheartedly believe that.

1717
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. There's something, maybe something in that

1718
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:42,560
Speaker 4: you and I both have talked about. We noticed the

1719
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 4: one thing about the receivers outside of digs, who digs

1720
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 4: at five to eleven. They got some big dudes everywhere.

1721
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 4: They're big. Yeah, they're bigger, and some of them are

1722
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 4: really big. It'll be interesting to see who finally makes it,

1723
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 4: because they're all going to get an opportunity to do it.

1724
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's that's what we notice. So maybe there

1725
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 4: is something in that.

1726
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 3: Garvey says.

1727
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 2: Pass catchers will be interesting to see who gains Allen's

1728
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 2: trust before we even get to mini camp.

1729
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:14,599
Speaker 4: Juicy, we'll hear about it. He'll start talking about guys

1730
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 4: and see how guys elevate and stuff. It's gonna be fun.

1731
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 4: It's always fun.

1732
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 3: And Busta finally says offensive line.

1733
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,879
Speaker 2: If they can't protect seventeen, then nothing else matters.

1734
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 3: Steve and I are back tomorrow, Bills are back on

1735
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:27,600
Speaker 3: the field as well. We'll see it w