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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, and welcome into Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to

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Speaker 2: in Hawaii, but we are joined by the voice of

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Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns, Jim Donovan.

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Speaker 3: What a treat. Great to see you. Oh, it's great

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Speaker 3: to see you. Yeah, it's great. I'm good. Everything is good.

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Speaker 3: You look great. The locks are flowing, unbelievable. I and

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Speaker 3: they came back very curly. Yeah. Yeah. I was a

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Speaker 3: little bit defensive about it, like when it happened, and

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Speaker 3: then people said to me, hey, you know what, people

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Speaker 3: in New York pay Top Bucks to get back. That's right.

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Speaker 3: I remember I married my barber, so I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: she said to me, Hey, that's that's the new adventure

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Speaker 3: for her. That looks good. That looks good, and it

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Speaker 3: does it feels good. Yeah, yeah, spicing it up right,

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Speaker 2: So obviously a lot's happened since you and I have

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Speaker 2: last been together. I would say a lots happened in

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Speaker 3: It has as well, I tell you I would talk

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Speaker 3: about I would say that the Browns made as much news,

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Speaker 3: if not the most news coming out of the owners meetings.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's talking about, you know, new contracts coming up.

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Speaker 3: Very deservedly so for a general manager and head coach.

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Speaker 3: I love them both. They've done an amazing job. What

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Speaker 3: a great team when you consider the state of things

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Speaker 3: when they got put together and how they got put

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Speaker 3: together and what they've done. Bravo to the two of them.

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Speaker 3: Can't wish them any better luck than they've had so

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Speaker 3: far and hopefully in the future. But the stadium thing

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Speaker 3: is really hot, sure, And you know, I think that

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Speaker 3: what I heard yesterday made a lot of sense. You know,

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Speaker 3: it makes a lot of sense, it really does, you know,

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Speaker 3: with what Cleveland Brown Stadium is, Where it is, where

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Speaker 3: the city is, where the Browns are. Wow, it's pretty

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Speaker 3: exciting when you start to put the pieces to the

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Speaker 3: that they want to start putting the pieces to the

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Speaker 3: we're going to wait for a proposal from you, and

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Speaker 3: you know we're going to wait for then we'll react

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Speaker 3: to that. I think the waiting game is exactly that.

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Speaker 3: And Nathan, let me tell you, the waiting game has

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Speaker 3: gone on for decades down on that lakefront. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's decades decades of waiting to see how that's going

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Speaker 3: to be developed and can it be developed, and what's

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Speaker 3: the best way to develop it? And when I drive

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Speaker 3: just see the same thing done there. He don't see all. No,

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Speaker 3: it is not developed.

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Speaker 2: And obviously, look, this is this is going to be

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Speaker 2: probably the biggest non on the field issue around this

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Speaker 2: team until there is a an announcement one day that

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Speaker 2: this is the path, here's what we're doing, and there's

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Speaker 3: Being put into the ground.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, because you think, if it's a new stadium, you're

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Speaker 2: looking at what twenty twenty nine, twenty thirty would probably

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Speaker 3: Could get in there. Twenty twenty nine, Yeah, without would.

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Speaker 2: Make a lot of sense, So you kind of want

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Speaker 2: am well on the record for years and years. I

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Speaker 2: would love to have a dome for the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 2: I just think, not only does it allow you to

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Speaker 2: is that you're taking football weather out of it. I'm

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Speaker 2: fine with that if I put together the best team.

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Speaker 2: I want to eliminate variables and I want to focus

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Speaker 2: on the talent I've got. And the second part is

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Speaker 3: So I was on the other side for many, many

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Speaker 3: Coupled with that was the beauty when three years ago

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Speaker 3: big games now, we're a good football team that has

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Speaker 3: high expectations. Why not let's let's play and let's play,

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Speaker 3: let's play in an in an environment that is controlled,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, And I agree with you, and I think

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Speaker 3: You had all that natural light.

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Speaker 2: You could tell that they were able to create an

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Speaker 2: Right to sofith it was week four where the Vikings

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Speaker 2: and Sofi is very impressive and it is an incredible

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Speaker 2: it feels like not any other dome. But it feels

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Speaker 2: Whereas there was something special about Minnesota. And I think

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Speaker 2: And not to mention we're talking about from purely brown standpoint,

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Speaker 2: a sudden you have a venue that can host big events.

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Speaker 2: It would be in my mind you'd think there'd be

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And on that point, let me let me make a

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Speaker 3: to get all of those events. Sure, okay, but you

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Speaker 3: have a much better chance. I mean, suddenly you're on

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Speaker 3: the A list, you're not on zero. Yeah, you're gonna

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Speaker 3: get the concerts that everybody's getting. And you keep saying,

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing. If you build it, it's going

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Speaker 3: to be beautiful, no doubt about it, and you'll have football

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Speaker 3: pointed that out yesterday. Twelve events a year that's not

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Speaker 3: you why, because Nathan, when the Republican National Convention came

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Speaker 3: great job with it. Cleveland has sold itself that. Now

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Speaker 3: It's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Final four would be another thing you could add to.

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Speaker 3: Now that's my message, and I endorse this. I endorse

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Speaker 2: But a lot of these things happened in Indianapolis, and

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Speaker 2: there's no reason they certainly couldn't happen here in Cleveland, Ohio.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's kind of, you know, the bigger

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Speaker 2: you see it around the league, it's it's a they're nice.

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Speaker 2: We traveled to every stadium in the league. Yeah, And

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Speaker 3: You know that that Christmas Eve game was painful, and

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Speaker 3: But the fact of the matter is that became a

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Speaker 2: What do you make of of kind of the way

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Speaker 2: I think if you're kind of following, not really the

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Speaker 2: bread comes, but if you go back to the Greenbrier,

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Speaker 2: which is kind of the first time that the HASLMS

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Speaker 2: kind of said, look, maybe.

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Speaker 3: It is in Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: We are absolutely saying in northeast Ohio that you thought, okay,

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Speaker 5: I mean, we're still, you know, evaluating all our options.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's important understand the goal is to

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Speaker 3: Plan now at a much smaller scale because it's a

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Speaker 3: I mean it's definitely like that. You know, a while back,

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Speaker 3: you may remember this, the Indians came up with the

435
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 3: idea that they wanted to try and get more revenue

436
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 3: because their attendants had really dipped because they weren't winning

437
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 3: at that point in time. It was a rebuild for them.

438
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 3: And remember they turned Jacobs Field Progressive Field into like

439
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 3: a winter wonderland. They had skating, they had a slide,

440
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 3: they had all these things and it you know, you say,

441
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 3: well that would be great, but it financially bombed probably investment,

442
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 3: and you're still outdoors. I mean, you're still outdoors. The

443
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 3: other thing, what do you think about this? The NFL

444
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 3: combats this too, and they they combat that the home

445
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 3: experience has become so good, you know, the red zone

446
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 3: things like that, and the fact that people have these

447
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 3: entertainment centers galore in their homes now that they battle

448
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 3: the fact that, okay, what can we do to make

449
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: the you know, stadium experience really good because a lot

450
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 3: of people might say, well, you know what, I'm going

451
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 3: to stay at home. I mean, I love the Brons,

452
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to root for them. I'm going to root

453
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 3: for them in Solin.

454
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Speaker 2: You know, yes, I listen to a lot of people

455
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Speaker 2: very close to me say that many Solen residents, but

456
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 2: you're right, you haven't. It is not crazy to think

457
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 2: that somebody would have an eighty plus inch television in

458
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 2: their house with HD and they get to sit on

459
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 2: their couch and they get to have their their food,

460
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 2: their drink whatever. And so you have to create a

461
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 2: compelling reason to go. And one reason that is compelling

462
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 2: to not go at times is I don't want to

463
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 2: get rained on. I don't want to freeze all of

464
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 2: those things. And you're saying, listen, it's going to be

465
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Speaker 2: seventy degrees every single time you come to the stadium.

466
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: It's gonna be perfect. Yeah, no temperature is my wife

467
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: likes the cod it will be no toure. Yeah, no

468
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 2: temperature whatsoever. So yeah, you are combating that. And I

469
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 2: think that that is a big part of it. And

470
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: that's why to me when you think about hearing in

471
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 2: Chicago or Buffalo that they want to build but they

472
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,959
Speaker 2: are thinking about not doing domes, it it feels crazy

473
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 2: to me, especially with all things Buffalo has dealt with now.

474
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 2: And not to say if there was a snow of

475
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: that magnitude that they would be able to clean the roads,

476
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 2: but at least you wouldn't be shoveling out stadiums.

477
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, which in the last couple of years they

478
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 3: have been doing like the last three every year we

479
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 3: had to go to Detroit to play them, right right

480
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 3: in a dome? How about that? In a beautiful dome.

481
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 3: A beautiful dome. How about that? All right?

482
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 2: Here is d Haslam. Now her point is about the

483
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 2: team exploring all of its options.

484
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 5: Well, I think we looked at can we solve all

485
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 5: the issues on the waterfront for our fans. I mean,

486
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 5: it's hard to get into, it's hard to get out of,

487
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,959
Speaker 5: it's you know, we have no parking, you know. I

488
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 5: think that was something really important for us, is how

489
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 5: we solve those issues. And then when you start thinking

490
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 5: about what Cleveland can be and what the vision for

491
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 5: this city is, I think we underestimate what a great

492
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 5: place it is. And I think there's an opportunity here

493
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 5: to perhaps build a dome stadium that could transform our area.

494
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 5: So that's something exciting to think about. We're looking at

495
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 5: both options. It is not one option is above the other.

496
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 5: But I do think that I think Cleveland deserves to

497
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 5: be thought of as this evolving, forward thinking, creative city

498
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 5: as opposed to you know, not thinking big. I think

499
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 5: there's opportunity here and.

500
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 3: That's part of it.

501
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: Right, you can't solve all of the problems right down there,

502
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 2: and I think that is a big part of what

503
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: they're thinking with.

504
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 3: And it is really difficult. Now we get to the

505
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 3: stadium very early for a home game, thank goodness. True,

506
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 3: we get to the stadium very early, but those roads

507
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 3: get shut down at eleven am, I think, okay, and

508
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 3: even earlier. Now, yeah, there you have it. I mean,

509
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 3: let's say round it off and say eleven o'clock in

510
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 3: the morning. Those rights are shut off. So the access

511
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 3: to being able to get to the stadium by vehicle,

512
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 3: now is your way back in the upper regions of downtown.

513
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 2: And it's and it's a one lane road on south Margin.

514
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,959
Speaker 3: That's right, And it's a very She's right. I mean,

515
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 3: what she's saying, what they said yesterday, is they're not

516
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 3: slamming Cleveland. They're not slamming the city government. I mean

517
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 3: they're just saying, hey, it is what it is. It's

518
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 3: a very difficult place to get to. It's very congested.

519
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 3: You're taking seventy thousand people seventy two whatever the capacity

520
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 3: number is, and you're they're funneling in a very very

521
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 3: tight space to get downtown by foot and by car.

522
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a tricky place.

523
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: There are just sometimes people get mad when you point

524
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: out what is just an obvious truth because it's might

525
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: not be a poppy, it might not be fun to

526
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:48,959
Speaker 2: say out loud, but it is.

527
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: It is tough. The ingress and negress is very tough.

528
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 3: You're very right.

529
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 2: We get there before anything happens, but when we leave

530
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: after a game and I'm usually there over an hour

531
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: after the game.

532
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you, right, I mean we're on the

533
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 3: field doing our thing and it's still not easy to

534
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 3: get out and.

535
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: An hour after the thing, right, So it's it's there

536
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: are definitely some challenges, and I think people should kind

537
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: of in their mind's eye think about if you had

538
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: a spot where they had improved in Grissy Grissey'd have

539
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 2: more parking kind of there, You'd have restaurants, you could

540
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: have hotels. I mean, you imagine that large tract of

541
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 2: a land. There's going to be development, as you talked

542
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 2: about with Gillette Stadium and Patriot Place and all of that,

543
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: so it could be a completely different atmosphere. You might

544
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: say oh, after a game, I'm gonna go walk over

545
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: to here. Well, I think you would and hang out

546
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 2: for a while and just enjoy yourself. So it is

547
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 2: very different, and there are just constraints when one side

548
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: of it is water, like we're not building out on

549
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: the water.

550
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,719
Speaker 3: You know, Nathan. The other thing it is, really it

551
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 3: is kind of it's a different state down there. Why

552
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 3: because they're good on the field, they're good, the games

553
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 3: are great. You don't want to leave early. I mean

554
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 3: back in when they were in the one and fifteen

555
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: and the oh and sixteen years, Yeah, people were out

556
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 3: of there. It wasn't that difficult to get out of

557
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 3: there because the game was over. It wasn't competitive. But

558
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 3: I mean people are in there now. I mean, you

559
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: know you want to be in there right to the

560
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: last second. You better be in there right to the

561
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 3: last second. You can queue up the Bears game, you

562
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: can queue up and you want to be part of

563
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 3: an exciting day, queue up the Jets night on that

564
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 3: Thursday night. It's a different mood down there right now.

565
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 3: This is a really this is a good team that

566
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: are going to be playing in big games. And you're right,

567
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: the calendar turns the weather turns here deep into the winter,

568
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 3: and why not. Why yeah?

569
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: I remember our our Thursday night, the clincher after we won,

570
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: and we all stayed there for a while afterwards because

571
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: it was such a U four thing. And then I

572
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: went actually to go meet the hof and uh, Andrew

573
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: Silliano was in town and we went to go have

574
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 2: a drink down on was it East ninth or East

575
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 2: sixth that's this stream or West sixth, West six sixth, yep,

576
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: which I could have walked to in probably ten fifteen

577
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 2: tennes about an hour by car to get there because

578
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: of everything that was closed everywhere, and I had to

579
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: go all the way up here and then all the

580
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 2: way over there, and they're like, wait a second, what

581
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: And the GPS is don't know, you know, when we're

582
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: still relying on our GPS is now, they have no

583
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: idea what's closed, what's open.

584
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, and we're gonna be playing more night games.

585
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: I have a feeling I think this is gonna be

586
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 2: a team that's gonna be a little bit more prime

587
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: time and if we have another successful season, that's only

588
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: going to manifest itself even more. D hasn't do I

589
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 2: do the Lakefront one yet about No, Okay, d hasn't

590
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: also talked about the fact that the lakefront here in

591
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: Cleveland is important, whether the stadiums there or not, And

592
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: as you talked about earlier, potentially it opens things up

593
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 2: for actual development there if if we're not.

594
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I think the lakefront still is a great,

595
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 5: great piece of property, and it would be a great

596
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 5: place for people to live. I mean, it could be

597
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 5: absolutely amazing. So regardless of what happens, the lakefront needs

598
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 5: to happen. It's really critical to our community. So I

599
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 5: think there's a lot of great plans for downtown. I'm

600
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 5: personally really excited. I work on the partnership, and that's

601
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 5: one of the main things we talk about is how important.

602
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: It is, all right, And She's right, that is a

603
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: It is an important part and it's something that will

604
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: be I think essential to Cleveland's downtown continuing to thrive

605
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: into the future. So we've talked a little bit about

606
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: the stadium. Jimmy and de have talked a little about

607
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: Stadiumlet's talk a little bit about football now, and let's

608
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: start with extending our general manager, who's done a great job,

609
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: and our head coach who's been no big deal. Two

610
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: time Coach of the Year in four years, the Brown's

611
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: making two playoff trips under Andrew Berry and Kevin Sefanski.

612
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: Heer's Jimmy has them.

613
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 6: I'll just say this, We're in the process of working

614
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 6: through things so that Kevin and Andrew would be with

615
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 6: us for an extended period of time.

616
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 3: Good, short and sweet. Good.

617
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: Yes, I kind of read it, and I'm curious, you're taken,

618
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: and we've talked about all the things that have happened

619
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: that it's such a minor thing to note that Mike

620
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: Grabel is and it's not a minor, minor thing at all,

621
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: but that Mike Grabel is in the building, working is

622
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: with not only Kevin Sefanski is kind of a consultant,

623
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: but also working with Andrew Berry as well. And I

624
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: remember when I read that, I said to myself, well,

625
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: covin to fancy. He knows he's getting an extension, because

626
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: Mike Rabel, you don't just bring a guy like that

627
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: in the building to be waiting in the wings unless

628
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: you know he's not waiting for me, right, no doubt

629
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 2: about it.

630
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: I mean the team of Barry and Stefanski perfect. I mean,

631
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: they just they're they're in sync that have been since

632
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 3: they since they've gotten here. It's amazing because they both

633
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: really are kind of the same. They don't take any

634
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: any applause, you know, any personal applause, and they both

635
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: deserve it. I mean, they dish it out a great deal.

636
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 3: They defer to the player if the situation is bumpy,

637
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: like it was with the Obj Mayfield situation for Andrew Berry.

638
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: And if it's bumpy, you know, certainly when Deshaun Watson

639
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: arrived and how they were going to have to navigate

640
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 3: through that. I mean, they they really take it upon themselves.

641
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: I mean Kevin's answer so many times when and not

642
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 3: too many times, and that's why he's he's winning and

643
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 3: he's got the extension. I mean, thank Kevins. But when

644
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 3: when they do lose, he right away says, well, I

645
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: have to do a better job. I have to give

646
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: him a better play. We need to. You know, that's

647
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 3: on me. It always is on them when it's when

648
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: it's a little bumpy. But I think they've just been

649
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: totally insanc now the verybel thing. I'm just amazed he

650
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: didn't get another head coach, Nathan during the summer when

651
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: he was installed into the New England Patriots Hall of Fame.

652
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: He went to the celebration in Foxborough, which is a

653
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 3: big thing back there. I mean, they have a great

654
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame and they have a great, great tradition.

655
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: And I was watching him figuring that and remember their

656
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: season was not going to go well, and I was

657
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: watching him and I just said to myself, Wow, probably

658
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: perfect fit there to take over when Joe Belichick when

659
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 3: that runs out, which it eventually did, because it just

660
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: seemed as though he was so loved and revered the

661
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: way he played back there, and he did love that

662
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 3: organ he love that owner. But I'm just amazed, first

663
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: of all, that he didn't get a head coaching job

664
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: and that he's not a head coach. But it's great

665
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: to have home. Yeah.

666
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: Supposedly that speech you're referencing had something to do with it.

667
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: That the way he was so effusive in his praise

668
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,959
Speaker 2: of the Patriots organization and owner of Bocraft.

669
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see that, and I remember watching it

670
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: because there was this story that said he was very

671
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: upset when he got dealt away from New England, and

672
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: I think that that there was a little bit of

673
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: a rough patch between him and Bill Belichick. Now, Belichick

674
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 3: got up and gave a great speech that day, which

675
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: was amazing that Bill Belichick gave it the great speech.

676
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: He was very funny, he was self deprecating, and you know,

677
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: he was great with Rabel. But you're right. I mean,

678
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 3: that was an amazing event to watch him and he

679
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: had the red jacket on and I just said, he'll

680
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: be the next coach of the Patriots. And all of

681
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: those talk shows and there are many back there, that

682
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 3: was their topic that here's your next head coach, perfect guy,

683
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: tough guy coming to the Patriots, you know, with a

684
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: legacy of having a lot of Super Bowl rings. Yeah,

685
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 3: with the.

686
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: Patriots, with them with and then he's out in Tennessee.

687
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: That doesn't come to fruition. They hired Mayo kind of

688
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: right away. Yeah, and obviously they're happy about that.

689
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: But well, he was a great wallsh jesuit warrior, and

690
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: I'm sure he'll help out here because he's a He's

691
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: a great guy wherever he spent. When he went in

692
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: and helped Luke Fickle out at Ohio State, i mean,

693
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: he you know, close friendship. Yeah, really tight felt that

694
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: his buddy needed some help when Trussell left and everything

695
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 3: was kind of chaotic down there in Columbus. He did

696
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 3: a good, admirable job there, and then did I thought

697
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 3: a great job in Tennessee. Yeah, I mean they won

698
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: some big games.

699
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: So the number one seed, they went to AFC Championship. Yeah,

700
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: they were given that. They were constructed differently than what

701
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: you would consider many of the great teams to be

702
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: constructed with Ryan Tanner who played very very well for

703
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: them but was not necessarily ever considered a top eight, ten,

704
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: twelve quarterback in the NFL. And to be able to

705
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: be that successful with that is very impressive. And I thought,

706
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: I'll I want to run this by you, because when

707
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: I heard got the news and we found out about this,

708
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: this was as under the radar, hush hush as anything

709
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: has been. We found out on the air kind of

710
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 2: live as it happened, and they noted that not only

711
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: is he going to be working with Kevin Stefanski, and

712
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: I say, we know his relationship with Jim Schwartz when

713
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: Schwartz was working for him in Tennessee, but that he

714
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 2: would be working a lot with Andrew Berry and wanting

715
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: to kind of, I think learn that side of the

716
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: business as well, and it made me think.

717
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 3: My theory on that was.

718
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: He was not happy when they traded aj Brown, and

719
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: in many ways that kind of derailed what they were doing.

720
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 3: It felt like in Tennessee.

721
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: And I think he's got the cachet to say, I'm

722
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: going to choose my next spot and this will allow

723
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: him to either say, hey, I study with Andrew Berry,

724
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: I can do the GM part as well. Yeah, or

725
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: to find somebody here as we have very many talented

726
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 2: people and Glenn Cook who's gotten a lot of interviews

727
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 2: Katherine Rache and say Okay, I'm going to take somebody

728
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: that I know with me and then that way that

729
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: will never happen to me again.

730
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and that's that. This is what makes the

731
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: Berry Stefanski marriage so good, yes here that they finally

732
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 3: got it right. Yeah, you know that it was a

733
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: good It was a good fit. I mean sometimes there

734
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 3: was a you know, there was an odd marriage between

735
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: general manager and head coach here who got hired first?

736
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, a lot of times, but this one was,

737
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: this one was, and this one was quiet very much.

738
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: But they wanted to work together. Yeah, but I understand

739
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 3: that with Mike Rabel, the other thing about Mike Vrabel,

740
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: I remember this and a great thing he did. He

741
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 3: went back and nominated his high school coach at Walsh

742
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 3: Jesuit for a very very prestigious national Coach of the

743
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 3: Year award, which I think he ended up winning. And

744
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 3: it was due to the efforts of Mike Rabel. He

745
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: never again never forgot where he came from. So now

746
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 3: he's back where he came from. I think that this

747
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 3: is pretty cool. But you know, it's interesting when you

748
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 3: see these guys step away maybe for a year, and

749
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 3: how they really are continuing their education within an organization

750
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 3: to be ready the next time. Now, sometimes guys do

751
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 3: it in a television studio right or as an analyst

752
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: in a game, and then they become a head coach.

753
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 3: Dick Vermio was a great example, did the college games

754
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 3: for a long time and then hop back in and

755
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 3: won a Super Bowl. And I would think Mike Vrabel's

756
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 3: career still has a lot of lines left on it.

757
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I can tell you after running into

758
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 2: him here in the building, he's still an incredibly impressive

759
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: big expenses. Yes, he is an imposing figure to say

760
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: the least. And you mentioned kind of that being able

761
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 2: to happen and the success we've had kind of that

762
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 2: relationship between Andrew Berry and comes Fansky, but it's really

763
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: kind of three people who have worked together so well,

764
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: Paul de Podesta right along with ab and coach the Fanski.

765
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 2: Here's Jimmy Haslam on that trio.

766
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 6: You won't know because you're around it. NFL is a

767
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 6: highly pressured situation, and the two of them I can't imagine.

768
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 6: And there may be other coaches and gms that get

769
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 6: along better than them, but I can't imagine two people

770
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 6: in that situation that work together betther than the two

771
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 6: of them did. And I say all the time, and Paul,

772
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 6: I mean, the three of them worked together extremely well,

773
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 6: and so that makes our job much easier.

774
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 5: It's just fun to come to work with them. They're

775
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 5: they're just they're great to work with.

776
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: They are they are great to work with, They work

777
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: well together. They obviously are talented in their respective what

778
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: they're trying to do, build rosters, manage a salary, cap

779
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: have the vision not only for this year but a

780
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: few years out. And then Kevin's the fancy kind of

781
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: piloting this ship, which he did he did captaining the ship,

782
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 2: which he did a tremendous job, especially through very choppy waters.

783
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: Certainly last year, Jimmy Haslam was asked about the big

784
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: one in Cleveland, Right, Joe Flacco, what a magical run.

785
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: He is not here, He's now in Indianapolis. Jamis Winston

786
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: the backup quarterback now for the Cleveland Browns. Jimmy haslm

787
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: was asked about that decision.

788
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 6: Joe Flacco came in and played well for us, and

789
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 6: he's a great guy, he really and it was it

790
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 6: was interesting because you got Tomerier Diana were with the

791
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 6: Steelers when the Ravens were their big rival. And I've

792
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 6: told him so, I couldn't stand Joe Flacco. So to

793
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 6: meet him and get to know he and his four

794
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 6: or five kids and his wife and was great and

795
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 6: it was great to have him with us here again.

796
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 6: Andrew makes the decision and there's a multiple factors in

797
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 6: terms of who was the best to bring in to

798
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 6: be our number two quarterback, and he settled on James.

799
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 6: So we're excited about it. We miss I wish showed

800
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 6: nothing but the best's great and he got a nice contract.

801
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 3: He did and he deserved it.

802
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: Listen, last year, is one of the most fun special

803
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: certainly in my time. And you've been here obviously more

804
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: a lot longer than I have seasons in Brown's history,

805
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: and you cannot tell the tale of that season without

806
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco and the magic that he brought.

807
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, it was thrilling. It was absolutely thrilling to

808
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 3: watch it happen. And when it happened, I mean it happened.

809
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: It had to happen at that point in the season.

810
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: That's when teams make their run and a run was needed,

811
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 3: and I you know, I just thought it was It

812
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: was just captivating what he did. And and you know,

813
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 3: Jimmy has them's right. I mean, listen, those Steeler Raven

814
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: games were incredible. They were always the national game to watch.

815
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 3: I mean, they put them at night, they put them

816
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: at the four o'clock slot because all right, they put

817
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 3: them on Monday night, Sunday night, whenever, because that was

818
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 3: the rivalry. But the Joe Flacco record against the Bronx

819
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 3: was unbelievable, wasn't he like eighteen and three against the Bronx.

820
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 3: You know, as he went through the Jets. One does

821
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: a Jet but a lot as a Raven. So to

822
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 3: watch him do it. But the other thing, I remember

823
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: one of the writers, I think it was Tony Grossi.

824
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 3: After the Jet game when they clinched the playoff spot,

825
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: he got a hold of Joe's dad because Joe's whole

826
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: family was in and Joe's dad said, now, mind you,

827
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 3: this is the guy that was the MVP in the

828
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: Super Bowl and won the Super Bowl. He said, I've

829
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: never seen him have so much fun and be as

830
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 3: happy as he was with this very isolated situation in

831
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: Cleveland because it was it was short, but yet it

832
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 3: was wonderful and he was having a ball of all.

833
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 3: And you could see that even in those miked up

834
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 3: sessions that the Browns would put, you know, the sideline

835
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 3: the sideline series that they did when those games coming

836
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: down the stretch. I mean, he was having a ball

837
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: that night against the Jets. He was, he was on fire.

838
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: He had the best time of his life.

839
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, the best time of his professional career, the

840
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: best time being able to have his kids see that

841
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: he could still play a little bit. And you know,

842
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: his dad talked about the fact that you know, he

843
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: had never had more funny also had never been more beloved.

844
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: He was like, I am more beloved in Cleveland than

845
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: I was with the Ravens when I won a Super

846
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: Bowl for them, because that was you know, ray Lewis

847
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: and Ed Reid's team and Trudon this was he kind

848
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: of had that.

849
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 3: It was.

850
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 2: It was absolutely magical. He was such a great guy.

851
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: I am so happy for him that he's doing what

852
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: he loves. I'll never forget him. I consider myself very

853
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: lucky that we got a chance to do that and

854
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: to call those games.

855
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 3: Which unbelievable because I have to tell you, well, I

856
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: mean that day against the Bears, he wasn't having a

857
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: great day, no, okay, and they're done by ten going

858
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 3: into the fourth quarter, and really, folks, I mean, they

859
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: needed all of those games. The good thing was they

860
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 3: had that little home patch after the rough two games,

861
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 3: the Denver Rams situation, but then they had those games Jacksonville.

862
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: You know, the Bears. They needed those two games and

863
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 3: they're in trouble going into the fourth quarter and he

864
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: was fine, I mean, you know, and he had had

865
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: he had had a bumpy day there and another interception

866
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 3: they went.

867
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: Down on the one, and then an interception at the

868
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: goal line trying to hit chief right after I think

869
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 2: we got a special team's turnover right right, and you're

870
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 2: thinking like, oh, that's it.

871
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 3: Down seventeen to seven, that's it for the Browns. And

872
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: then he had good one with the bomb.

873
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 2: Then he had that unbelievable throat to Omari, which was unbelievable.

874
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 3: It's still hard to believe it. And then Djoku they

875
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 3: got them down into field Rangeah wow, what I mean,

876
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 3: you get goosebumps? Yeah, remembering it, I mean it was

877
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: just tremendous. I mean, that's a great thing. You know,

878
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: what a what a story are one of are our

879
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: rivals and a guy that had tremendous success against the

880
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 3: Browns and to come in and do it and get

881
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 3: them into the playoffs. I mean that's really special.

882
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: So special, and I think, honestly we wish the playoff

883
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: run had ended longer. But for Joe Flecko, it's kind

884
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: of the perfect capsule, Like you get to come in

885
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: be the hero. There's no drop off, there's no decline,

886
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 2: at least not in a Browns uniform, at least that

887
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: we can see at this moment as he goes to

888
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 2: the Colts, and so he'll be a Cleveland legend forever.

889
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, he will he is a Cleveland legend.

890
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 2: Who would have thought you'd ever would have said that, Well,

891
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: a guy who certainly is a Cleveland legend, and we

892
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: hope to get him back on the field as soon

893
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: as possible.

894
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: Nick Chubb.

895
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: Jimmy has them talking about Nick Chubb's progress back from

896
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: that devastating knee injury suffered week two in Pittsburgh.

897
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 6: You know, there's nobody any of us are rude horror

898
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 6: for the Nick Chubb, and I think we're cautiously optimistic

899
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 6: and he is. I cannot kill you. They were telling

900
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 6: me this morning or last night at dinner. Andrew Kevin

901
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 6: said he's in there at five in the morning, and

902
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 6: I have a barret chamber. I mean, that's just Nick Chubb.

903
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 6: And so we're all pulling for him. We think he

904
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 6: can do it. We hope he can do it. But

905
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 6: it was a serious injury, as you all know. But

906
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 6: I can't tell you how much we appreciate and it

907
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 6: symbolizes the kind of man he is, about how hard

908
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 6: he's worked.

909
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 3: Had no surprise there.

910
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you're ever going to bet on anybody to

911
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: come back from this in record time.

912
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 3: It's Nick Chubb, right, you know, I never asked you this,

913
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 3: but I wasn't in Pittsburgh that night. You were doing

914
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 3: the game, and I'm trying to remember now that play

915
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: probably was down by your booth, so it was right. Yeah,

916
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 3: it was right end of the really close because that.

917
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: Booth is farther side far hash but yeah, we're down

918
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 2: there on that end zone.

919
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you know? It was pretty bad when I ended?

920
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 2: So when I saw it happen live, the way that

921
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 2: he went down, if you remember, he went down so

922
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: we wouldn't have been able to see his legs, but

923
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: we just saw him as top go down right, and

924
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: he went down so violently that when I could tell

925
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: when he was on the ground and he was in pain,

926
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: I thought maybe he had like a collar bone, because

927
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: it looked like he just really whipped onto his shoulder.

928
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: And then we didn't know what's happening. Then I know

929
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: some sitting down they tried to get him and he

930
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: touched his knee and then I said, oh no. And

931
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 2: within a split second of that happening, they showed the replay,

932
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: I want to say, in the stadium and on our

933
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: and you could hear I think everybody in the stadium

934
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 2: grow one of those and I think I said on

935
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 2: the I think he said, oh my god. And then

936
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: that was you knew at that point, like, yeah, not good, right, yes,

937
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: so it wasn't You didn't from I think if we

938
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 2: were on the other side of the scene maybe where

939
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: you could have seen his legs, you would have had

940
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: a better idea in real time. But as soon as

941
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: the replay and they play, and I mean, I'll give

942
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: the fans in Pittsburgh a lot of credit because they

943
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: have a lot of respect for Nick Chubb, and I

944
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: think everybody knew immediately how serious it was that they

945
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: were chanting for Nick Chubby, which was not anything you

946
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 2: expected to hear in a Pittsburgh Ye stadium.

947
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: Well that no, remember in twenty twenty when the Browns

948
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 3: are in Dallas and had that big win, he got hurt,

949
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: Yeah in that game. Now that was a knee that

950
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: he ended up missing like three or four games, four games,

951
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 3: and but he ran off. But you're right, I mean

952
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 3: I'm watching it, I'm in the hospital watching it. And

953
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 3: when he didn't get up like that and he kind

954
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 3: of kind of banged it a little biteah kind of yeah. Yeah,

955
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: I just went, Wow, this is this is bad, really shaking,

956
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 3: you know, because he means so much and he is

957
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 3: so loved and that's cool that in that stadium that

958
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 3: they respected that. But I think that would be across

959
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 3: the NFL because he's that kind of player. Agreed. I

960
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 3: think I think he's that kind of player. You can't

961
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 3: you maybe can root against him, but you can't root against.

962
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: Him, correct, right, Yes, yeah, you're certainly rooting for his

963
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 2: own personal successive and if not, his team's success. But yeah,

964
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: hopefully Nick Chubb back sooner rather than later. And this

965
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: is the team that really addressed that running back position,

966
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: bringing in the Heem Hines who can help with the

967
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 2: return game, and we'll talk about that in a second time.

968
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: It's going to look a lot different. Yeah, and then

969
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: also Deonta Foreman, who has been very productive whenever asked

970
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: to really carry the football in the National FOOTBA League,

971
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 2: A big two hundred and thirty pounder.

972
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: And you know the other thing, Nathan, I love Pierre Strong,

973
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: me too. I want more Pierre Strong. Yeah, yeah, I

974
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 3: want more Pierre Strong.

975
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: All right, when we come back, we'll go around the leagues.

976
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,000
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977
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,879
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989
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: Jim Donovan gonna go around the league, and good news,

990
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame Game is official. August the first,

991
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: eight pm, the Houston Texans and the Chicago Bears will

992
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: kick off the twenty twenty four NFL season from Canton.

993
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 3: All right, there you go. You knew the Bears.

994
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: He had Julius Peppers right, Devin Hester, Yes, he had

995
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: some Bears connections. Texans Andre Johnson is going in right

996
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 2: this year, so that would be the Texans connection there

997
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: fun event.

998
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, yes, we did it last year.

999
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 3: It's a lot of the people don't think you're gonna

1000
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 3: see c J.

1001
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: Stroud or don't think you're gonna see I don't think

1002
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, I would guess the most likely not or

1003
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen or DJ Moore And.

1004
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 3: That's right, yeah, Caleb Williams. I mean, what do you think. No,

1005
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 3: wouldn't you want to put him out there for a

1006
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 3: little bit?

1007
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 2: I don't know, he's the franchise the for if you're

1008
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 2: not out there, are you playing your offensive line? Are

1009
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: you playing your starters in that Hall.

1010
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 3: Of Fame game? Right?

1011
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: You get four of them, so I don't know, Yeah,

1012
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: that'd be it.

1013
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 3: I didn't think of that.

1014
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 2: Right. By the way, can we talk about we we'll

1015
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 2: get to this this rule change when at some point

1016
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: on the show today, can we talk about the fact

1017
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: that the Steelers went from Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph

1018
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: to Russell Wilson and Justin Fields for a million dollars

1019
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: and like a sixth round pick.

1020
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 3: Unbelievable. How's this happen? I don't know. I don't know

1021
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 3: how they get into the playoffs every year, or at

1022
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 3: least in these last at least in these last couple

1023
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 3: of years, the play and the math looks bad and

1024
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden you turn on and you go,

1025
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 3: all right, it's the Steelers and Bills today in the

1026
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 3: in the wild card weekend. I don't know how they

1027
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 3: do it, but they did it.

1028
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: They lost to the Cardinals at home in the middle

1029
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: of the playoff run decisively.

1030
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I still made it somehow. It's uh. Now, I

1031
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 3: got to tell you, Nade I was. I am a

1032
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 3: Justin Fields, me too, I was. He frightened me, Yes,

1033
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 3: that Dan in Cleveland, and he definitely frightened me on

1034
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 3: that last play.

1035
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: And he's gotten better every year. Peres, all of his metrics,

1036
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: everything's been better every year. Nobody wants So there's something

1037
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: maybe that they see that you and I don't. But

1038
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: I can tell you. I was sitting in that chair

1039
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: and it was a Friday show and at about twelve

1040
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: fifty four, twelve fifty three, we're about to go off

1041
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: the air, and it came through that Kenny Pickett was

1042
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: being traded to the Philadelphia Eagles, and I go, they're

1043
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: gonna get them, I go, this is unbelievable. They're gonna

1044
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: get him. And by the time we came on the

1045
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: air on Monday, Justin Fields was a Steeler.

1046
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: So how do you think that works?

1047
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 4: Not?

1048
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 3: What do you think? Well?

1049
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: I mean, first was Russell Wilson. He's got the pole

1050
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 2: position to be the star. Look if was Russell Wilson

1051
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 2: great last year. No, but if you were to take

1052
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 2: a quarterback and PLoP him on the Steelers with everything

1053
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 2: else that was the same, who's gonna throw twenty two

1054
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 2: twenty six touchdowns and six picks?

1055
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 3: They're not gonna be worse, right, not at all?

1056
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 2: No, I think I fact, I would say that they're

1057
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: they're gonna be quite a bit better. So I think

1058
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,479
Speaker 2: it's gonna work like this. I think you're gonna get

1059
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: one year of Russ and that and as long as

1060
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,479
Speaker 2: he is what he has been, and then you're gonna

1061
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 2: get Justin Fields taking over. And we're gonna say, how

1062
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: in the heck are we dealing with Justin Fields in

1063
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: the AFCN right twice twice a year, twice a year,

1064
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: and Lamar twice a year and Joe Burrow.

1065
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, an amazing division of quarterback play. Yeah, yeah,

1066
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 3: too much. They they did it. And I'm fascinated with

1067
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson coming here. He had a just a horrible,

1068
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 3: horrible relationship paid with head coach last year to the

1069
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 3: point where he was he was out of it by

1070
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 3: the end of the year, so he had to get

1071
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 3: out of there. And but I just didn't see that

1072
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 3: coming that he would end up at Pittsburgh the And

1073
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 3: I remember during the season, I think Jason on the

1074
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 3: pregame show in one of our segments, had you know

1075
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 3: factor fiction, Kenny Pickett will be the quarterback of the Steelers.

1076
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 3: And I think all of us, Sharad and everybody that

1077
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 3: was participating, Tyvis, Andy Baskin and myself all said, well

1078
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 3: that the Steeler way is, they're so loyal and they

1079
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 3: just ride it out and they'll wait for him and

1080
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 3: get better around him, but they'll wait for him to

1081
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 3: get good. I never saw that ending so abruptly. Boy

1082
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 3: did it?

1083
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1084
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,479
Speaker 2: Again, what was wild about the situation? To me, here's

1085
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: something that I'm struggling to get my head around. So

1086
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: they bring in Russell Wilson. They give him the veteran

1087
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: minimum because he's at Denver's paying him an ungodly amount

1088
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 2: of money. And Kenny Pickett's so upset that he says,

1089
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 2: I need to be traded because I'm going to be

1090
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 2: the backup.

1091
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 3: Now.

1092
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: Well, if you kind of looked at it, you'd say, Okay,

1093
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna learn from a guy who's won a Super

1094
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 2: Bowl and then I'll probably take over the following year.

1095
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: And I still, I'm only my fourth year and I

1096
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 2: can maybe get this going, and said he demands a trade,

1097
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 2: and now he's backing up Jalen Hurts. He's not playing

1098
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: over Jalen Hurts unless Jalen Hurts is unable to play,

1099
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: and not this year, next year, not two years from now.

1100
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 3: And he needed some learning, yes, I mean he needed good. Yeah,

1101
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 3: he was not very good. You're right, that's the thing.

1102
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,919
Speaker 2: We were sitting there, were talking, Oh, Ben's over, They're

1103
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: going to go on a downturn and they miss fire

1104
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: on a first round quarterback. And still somehow are sitting

1105
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: here with the Russell Wills and Justin Fields and granted

1106
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: it's not Pete Russell Wilson, but man.

1107
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 3: Well it will be interesting to see if he can

1108
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 3: revive himself and relevant, I mean really at the end

1109
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 3: of Seattle No, he wasn't great, Yeah, but he what

1110
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 3: he I thought he was pretty good against us today

1111
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 3: in Denver. Yeah, I mean we have we didn't play him.

1112
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 3: We have not played him a lot. Now we will,

1113
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 3: but we have not played him a lot. But we

1114
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 3: have always had a difficult time with him getting him

1115
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 3: on the ground.

1116
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: The game against Seattle when we were up big at

1117
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 2: the end of the first half and let a huge

1118
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 2: comeback and beat us here in Cleveland. So here's what's

1119
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: so interesting about Russe. And I couldn't agree with you more,

1120
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: but the perception is right. And he went six and

1121
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: eight that last year. His last two seasons in Seattle

1122
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: sixty five touchdown passes, nineteen interceptions. His last year in Seattle,

1123
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 2: which where we would agree was that he was whatever,

1124
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 2: sixty five percent completions, twenty five touchdown, six picks, and

1125
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 2: a quarterback of one oh three. Then he goes to

1126
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 2: Denver the first year which was a disaster with sixty

1127
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 2: percent completion, sixteen touchdowns, eleven picks, quarterback rating of eighty four,

1128
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 2: which is the lowest of his career. Last year sixty

1129
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 2: six percent, twenty six touchdowns, eight picks, and a quarterback

1130
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: rating of ninety eight. I mean, you put those kind

1131
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,479
Speaker 2: of numbers with that defense, and Tja Wadd and Alex

1132
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: Heismith like their running game, they're gonna be They're gonna

1133
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: be just fine. Yeah, all right when we come back,

1134
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: we're gonna go through the off season. Get Jim Donovan's

1135
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 2: thoughts on the Browns moves in free agency. It's coming

1136
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,440
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1150
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 2: it off with some of your thoughts on the off season,

1151
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 2: and we're going to start with what I think was

1152
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: the headline move, the trade, the acquisition of and then

1153
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 2: the extension for wide receiver Jerry Judy.

1154
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 3: Perfect. It was perfect. I think the way Andrew Berry

1155
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 3: does it is you know, we talked about how those

1156
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 3: two guys do their job, the head coach and the

1157
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 3: general manager, and how InSync they are. But I think

1158
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 3: what he does is really interesting. He trades, he gets

1159
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 3: a guy, trades, and then does the contract afterwards. I mean,

1160
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 3: free agency is very expensive and a lot of times

1161
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 3: if you get into it and really get into it

1162
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 3: and get into it, when the bell rings and you

1163
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 3: get the guy, so many times you end up with

1164
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 3: buyer's remorse because you've spent so much and that guy

1165
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 3: just doesn't live up to it. But I think that

1166
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 3: you and I would both agree that the Browns were

1167
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 3: a little naked on one side in the wide receiver situation.

1168
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 3: I mean, you had Cooper over here, but there was

1169
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 3: always a project on the other side. Now, I thought

1170
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 3: Donovan Peoples Jones terrific hit, and I thought he was

1171
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 3: going to be the guy. But then they obviously felt

1172
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 3: differently and they traded him. I remember Nathan, we had

1173
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 3: that great day in Detroit against Buffalo when he caught

1174
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 3: the touchdown passes, and they were great people and they

1175
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 3: were so excited anyhow, But I think when you looked

1176
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 3: out there and you saw it and Cedric Tillman went in,

1177
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 3: but he's got to learn the game, you know, And

1178
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 3: the Schwartz thing didn't work, so I think that they

1179
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 3: were a little bit tipped on one side of the

1180
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 3: field with Cooper and Djoku made up for that in

1181
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 3: a lot of ways. But you needed another guy over there,

1182
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 3: you really did. And you don't have a first round pick,

1183
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 3: so you know, go get a guy that they obviously

1184
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 3: liked a lot coming out of Alabama. Yes, maybe at

1185
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 3: a trade deadline deal with Denver because it wasn't going

1186
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 3: well out there. They had their eyes on him. They've

1187
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 3: done their due diligence. It's a chance for him to

1188
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 3: get a fresh start with an exciting team. I thought

1189
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 3: it was a brilliant move, much needed move.

1190
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 2: Much needed And you know, he's a guy that went

1191
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 2: to Alabama and was a big admirer of Amari Cooper's

1192
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 2: and now he's going to learn.

1193
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 3: It is exactly why he went to Alabama.

1194
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: So I feel like we're going to get whatever the

1195
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 2: best of Jerry Judy is, We're gonna get that here

1196
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 2: is with his kind of idle slash mentor now and

1197
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 2: Amari Cooper, great route runner, first round talent. A lot

1198
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 2: of people thought he was, you know, can't miss coming

1199
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 2: out of Alabama, and you know, you look at his

1200
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,959
Speaker 2: efficiency for his career, it's actually not that bad about

1201
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: nine yards of target. Just hasn't gotten the opportunities. And

1202
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, you're talking about trotting out

1203
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 2: there when Nick Chubb's healthy, Deshaun Watson with Nick Chubb,

1204
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,280
Speaker 2: David a jok who coming off of a Pro Bowl season,

1205
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 2: Amari Cooper coming off of a Pro Bowl season, a

1206
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 2: Jerry Judy, and Elijah Moore is your third who when

1207
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 2: was given opportunities When for example, Mario went down against

1208
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: the Jets and he had to be the number one

1209
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 2: against a very good pass defense, he was very good.

1210
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 2: I think six catches, seventy yards and a touchdown in

1211
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 2: the first half. So I like where you're at now

1212
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 2: with the exquisient of Judy, and it reminds me a

1213
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 2: little bit of given the extension, which now we've seen

1214
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 2: the money actually looks much better than the initial reports

1215
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: for the Cleveland Brownside think right that they pay guys

1216
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,439
Speaker 2: like the Chief and in this case Jerry Judy, who

1217
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: they believe will become something, they pay him before that,

1218
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 2: and then it turns out to look like a great

1219
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: deal after the fact that if they do come through.

1220
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely guy. You know, I remember on the Elijah more front.

1221
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 3: I remember you came up to the booth just and

1222
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 3: we're getting ready for the Jets game. We're all excited

1223
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 3: because there's the clinch possibility to get into the playoffs.

1224
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 3: You came up to the booth and went Cooper's and

1225
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 3: no go and you go, oh, because he had come

1226
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 3: off that incredible game in Houston, right, record setting, record

1227
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 3: setting game in Houston, unbelievable, he was uncoverable, and you

1228
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 3: know he had gone out for the Preme workout. It

1229
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 3: didn't go well and it didn't go long, and you

1230
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 3: came up to the booth and I go. You know,

1231
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 3: you just still have that feeling about, gosh, there's always

1232
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 3: episode at Sailing with the Broms is gonna happen? And

1233
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 3: Elijah Moore and and Joku had an amazing game. But

1234
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 3: Elijah Moore really blossomed to what we thought he was

1235
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 3: going to be. And Flacco was so excited for him

1236
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 3: because it came against their their old team, that Yets.

1237
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 3: They were together way. Yeah, so that that was the

1238
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 3: Elijah Moore.

1239
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the guy. And now you think you got.

1240
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 3: A guy on the other side, You got a.

1241
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 2: Lot of weapons now all of a sudden on this

1242
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 2: offensive side of the ball, and I think that is

1243
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 2: it is exciting, and I love they got Judy, somebody

1244
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 2: they were going after for quite some time. Staying on

1245
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,919
Speaker 2: the offensive side of the ball. It's a new quarterback room.

1246
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: Other than Deshaun Watson dtr coming back from his injury

1247
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 2: as well. They bring in Jameis Winston to be the backup.

1248
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: And we had a tremendous time interviewing him. He is

1249
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 2: quite charismatic.

1250
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 3: He really is. He really is. He's great to talk

1251
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 3: to you. I mean he looked great, yeah, huh, yeah,

1252
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 3: he did.

1253
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 2: He had a great he had a great trench coat

1254
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: on or a little along kind of a car coat.

1255
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 2: He looked fantastic and he's been you know, productive, he

1256
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 2: can there's no doubt he can throw the football. We're

1257
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 2: moving to more of a shotgun type spread offense that

1258
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 2: he's very familiar with. He's still young, and I think understands.

1259
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 2: You know, he talked and mentioned multiple times when we

1260
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 2: talked to him about how he's here to, you know,

1261
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 2: help Deshaun Watson. And think about Jamis Winston the stature

1262
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 2: he had coming out of college. Then you think about

1263
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 2: DeShawn the stature he had coming out of college. These

1264
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 2: are guys who I think are gonna be able to relate.

1265
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 2: They've had some obviously some issues that they have dealt

1266
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 2: with throughout their careers as well, not just on the

1267
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 2: football field, but certainly off and so I think that

1268
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: that's going to be a nice bond for them and

1269
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: Jamis Is.

1270
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 3: It was infectious, man.

1271
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: He was so positive and just so kind of uplifting,

1272
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: and I think that's when you hear the stories out

1273
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: of New Orleans how he turned his life around. Was

1274
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 2: really a valued member of that community down there. Yeah,

1275
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: I'm excited about that addition.

1276
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 3: I just thought he was enjoyable, very I thought he

1277
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 3: was really enjoyable to look at. But he had a

1278
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 3: smile on his face, and I mean, he knows the

1279
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 3: drill and he knows the job. Yes, he knows what

1280
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 3: the job is here. And if called upon, and you know,

1281
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 3: you just hope that Sean can put together a healthy year, absolutely,

1282
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 3: but I mean, if called upon, you have to feel good.

1283
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 3: This guy has. He's played a lot of football in

1284
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 3: a very short amount of time. I mean he's still

1285
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 3: you know, how old is he is? He twenty ninth? Yeah,

1286
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 3: I mean thanks twenty nine? Yeah, gosh, I remember. I

1287
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 3: just remember the many times that when he won the

1288
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Speaker 3: national title at Florida State and then the following year,

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Speaker 3: I just remember him with Jimbo Fisher. Yeah, just such

1290
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 3: a such a you know, up and down even even

1291
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 3: during games. What a relationship they had. I mean, he

1292
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 3: had his moments of greatness and he had his moments

1293
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 3: of frustration, and it was really something watching him.

1294
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 2: So Jamis is thirty years old, turned thirty January the sixth,

1295
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 2: the last time that he was a starting quarterback full

1296
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 2: time in a season. Led the NFL with five one

1297
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 2: nine yards average three hundred and nineteen yards a game

1298
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 2: that also led the NFL through for thirty three touchdowns

1299
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Speaker 2: and thirty picks.

1300
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Speaker 3: Thirty picks well.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, in some ways those numbers are

1302
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 2: a little bit like our Joe Flacco experience that we

1303
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 2: got a little bit last year, right, Joe flag huge

1304
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 2: big plays also some huge big plays the other director, some.

1305
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 3: Real head scratchers. You go, beauty, what was Joe fla

1306
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 3: What is Joe looking at? There? But I mean then

1307
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 3: he would rebound and you're right, but his bigness, his

1308
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 3: big plays outweighed those little head scratchers, no doubt about it.

1309
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 3: And I think that that was the situation in Tampa too.

1310
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 3: You would just say, what is what was he looking at?

1311
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 3: You know that we lost to them, didn't we? When

1312
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 3: we did in a two thousand and mayfieldeen Yeah Mayfield, Yes,

1313
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 3: first year in Tampa. Yeah, right, in an overtime game. Yeah,

1314
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 3: we're we're looked at Zoe were should have won it,

1315
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 3: He should have won it. And Baker took a sack,

1316
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 3: took us outfield at the ball back, and the guy kicked,

1317
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 3: liked did he kicked? Like a fifty eight year field.

1318
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 2: That was when I watched from the comfort of my home,

1319
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 2: as I recall the year two thousand and eight, Well, yeah,

1320
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 2: here we are though, twenty twenty four, But yes, I

1321
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 2: do remember that game quite well.

1322
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Speaker 3: Running backs.

1323
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Speaker 2: We talked about Deontay Forman, Nahim Hines a little bit,

1324
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 2: and I think Hines will play maybe a bigger role

1325
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 2: in the return game and then Deanta Foreman two undred

1326
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 2: thirty pounds hammer. I was looking at the stats eleven

1327
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:19,919
Speaker 2: times in his crews can give them the ball twenty

1328
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 2: times in a game he was for over one hundred

1329
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 2: yards and seven of them, so he's a productive guy.

1330
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Speaker 3: Point Nathan, we have tried to find a return guy.

1331
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 3: Yes we have, God knows.

1332
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 2: Not through lack of effort. We have him gotten to

1333
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 2: the field.

1334
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Natson, yep, I mean Grant And what

1335
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 3: happened to him? What happened to back back in camp.

1336
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 3: I remember being on the sideline watching that day he

1337
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 3: got hurt in training camp in a passing drill. And

1338
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 3: then you and I we were so excited to see

1339
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 3: him in Kansas City play and it was like boom,

1340
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 3: We're like right away it happened. It was awful. That's

1341
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 3: the cruel part of the sport. Yeah, but we have tried,

1342
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 3: We have tried to find the next Cribs. Yeah, we

1343
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 3: tried very hard and hopefully I think I think he

1344
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 3: would like to come back and play.

1345
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 2: I think you would be great. Nahem Heinz. By the way,

1346
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 2: has you know two punt returns for touchdowns, two kick

1347
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 2: returns for a touchdown? Nose Bubba vent Trone from their

1348
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 2: time obviously together in Indianapolis, knows Ken Dorsey from his

1349
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 2: time in Buffalo, and he was one who famously returned

1350
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 2: the opening kickoff after the DeMar Hamlin scary situation against

1351
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 2: New England.

1352
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so, and he was actually he was another

1353
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 3: great guy.

1354
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 2: We really got talked to all these guys this year,

1355
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 2: which is unusual, but it was very impressive, very focused

1356
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 2: and certainly wants to play a big role here. And

1357
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 2: then you flip over to the defensive side, Jim defensive line, Bringhurst,

1358
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 2: bring back Shelby Harrison. Then I like the signing of

1359
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 2: Quentin Jefferson defensive tackle coming off a career high six

1360
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 2: sax has had I think like five at least in

1361
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 2: three straight seasons.

1362
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 3: There's just a lot of talent now on that. Yeah,

1363
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 3: you know, and I just love the fact that they

1364
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 3: brought you know, the guy's returning back because I liked them,

1365
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 3: I liked what they did. I liked what they did

1366
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 3: at big moments, and I mean that was just the

1367
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 3: defense and all was enjoyable. I know they had a

1368
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 3: rough ending, the whole team had a rough ending that

1369
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 3: day in Houston, but I mean for the most part, Wow.

1370
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Speaker 3: And and that's just a good thing that they're coming back.

1371
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 3: You know, you're not having to introduce a lot of

1372
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 3: guys into a Mammoth change to teach a system. They

1373
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 3: know the system. Yeah, and they there and they loved

1374
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 3: being a part of it.

1375
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 2: So I was talking with Zadarius, and so you think

1376
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,919
Speaker 2: about Miles, Zadarius, Obo, Alex Wright, and Isaiah maguire all

1377
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 2: back your.

1378
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 3: Top five defense.

1379
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 2: He said, right, I really came on in second four

1380
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 2: straight games to close the season. And Zadaria said, I've

1381
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 2: never had that in my entire career. I think maybe

1382
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 2: in high school I had it two years in a row,

1383
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 2: but not in college, not not in the NFL. So

1384
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 2: you bring all those guys back, you bring back Roddy mccleoud,

1385
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:50,919
Speaker 2: who we had, And if you folks have you missed

1386
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 2: it yesterday, seek out the podcast even for just a

1387
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 2: Roddy McLoud interview.

1388
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 3: It was that impressive.

1389
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 2: And he's another one of those veterans hungry and you

1390
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 2: know the theme that was shell and with Moe and

1391
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 2: with Zadarius and with Rodney.

1392
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 3: They love this locker room.

1393
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 2: They love being together, they love coming to work together.

1394
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: They they it was a special special place to be

1395
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 2: and they wanted to stay a part of it.

1396
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Speaker 3: Yeah, good to hear. Yeah, it really is. I mean,

1397
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 3: it's it really is. That that's the whole thing. You

1398
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,439
Speaker 3: could tell that that was and that that poured out

1399
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 3: onto the field. I mean you could just see that

1400
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 3: were very together.

1401
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,439
Speaker 2: Bunch linebacking room with Lucy. Only Taki Taki, But congratulations

1402
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 2: to him. He got paid very nicely to go play

1403
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 2: for the New England Patriots with Elliott Wolf, who was

1404
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 2: the one that loved Taki Taki when we drafted.

1405
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 3: I remember the night they drafted him and Elliot Wolf

1406
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 3: came down to the media room to you know, talk

1407
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 3: about him, and I remember him saying that he had

1408
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 3: gone out to watch him. I think he was actually

1409
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 3: going to watch another player, maybe in that particular game,

1410
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 3: but he remembers the sound of he was a great,

1411
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 3: terrific player here, great guy, great gat guy, friend of

1412
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 3: this show, of the show.

1413
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely huge friend of the show, and you know,

1414
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 2: you lose him and you.

1415
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 3: Lose Anthony Walker Junior. Out of that room.

1416
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 2: Two guys that were great leaders, glue guys, blue collar,

1417
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 2: came to work.

1418
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 3: Did it the right way for Anthony the last couple

1419
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 3: of years.

1420
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 2: The injuries, Yeah, just so unfortunate. But he's gonna get

1421
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 2: an opportunity down with the Miami Dolphins. But you bring

1422
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 2: in Jordan Hicks. Jordan Hicks very productive player, was with

1423
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 2: Jim Schwartz in Philadelphia.

1424
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 3: Roddy McLeod knows him very well.

1425
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 2: Total leader, same thing, but he's got five straight hunter

1426
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 2: tackle seasons, great cover linebacker, so he brings some stability.

1427
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 2: Then you bring the former first rounder Devin Bush as

1428
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 2: well to kind of round.

1429
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 3: Out that way. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, And of course the

1430
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 3: j Okay thing is just when you add him to

1431
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 3: the mix, the superstar. He is a superstar. He is

1432
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 3: a superstar. And I know a lot of people wondered

1433
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 3: was he going to become that in the NFL. I mean,

1434
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 3: he was a great player. He was an ad lib

1435
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 3: player at Notre Dame. He could just they just told

1436
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 3: him find the ball and go get the doall and

1437
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 3: he could do that. Now the NFL, there's more responsibilities

1438
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 3: and he had to learn those. But wow, did he

1439
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 3: come on last year. There weren't many that had a

1440
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 3: good game in Houston in the playoffs game, him and

1441
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 3: Karim Out. He's the best player on the He was

1442
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 3: the best player either side. Yeah, he was the best

1443
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 3: player on the field. He was really he was amazing that.

1444
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 2: He was amazing really all season and I think you

1445
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 2: got to give some credit to him his development, his

1446
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 2: focus as he matured, his linebacker coach Jason Tarvor, the

1447
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 2: guys in the room, and then also Jim Schwartz's defense,

1448
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 2: I think got him back to doing a lot more

1449
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 2: what you talked about, just go get the just go

1450
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 2: make place. Yeah, I mean twenty tackles for a loss.

1451
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 2: He was the only off ball linebacker even close to

1452
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 2: I think the first one since Luke Keikley to do

1453
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 2: to be in the top five and tackles for a lost. Yeah,

1454
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:35,919
Speaker 2: it was a pretty good company to be in when

1455
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 2: you're there with Luke Keighley. So and then finally we'll

1456
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 2: wrap it up kind of a move that you bring

1457
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 2: back Corey BOJORQZ Kate York's gonna get another opportunity, I

1458
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 2: think to learn behind Dustin Hopkins and gave us one

1459
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 2: of the great memories in Carolina a couple of years.

1460
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 3: Ago, Carolina the field goal it was fifty eight yards

1461
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 3: to win that game when it looked as though it

1462
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 3: looked as a Baker was going to get Here's revenge

1463
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 3: against us. Gosh, I root for him. I mean, how

1464
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 3: about yesterday? How about during the preseason. I mean, I

1465
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 3: mean the two of us are watching him in those games,

1466
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 3: especially in Philadelphia and then the last one in Kansas City,

1467
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 3: where you were just hoping that he would be able

1468
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 3: to get rid of this, you know, the the yips

1469
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 3: that he had and be able to do it. He

1470
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,560
Speaker 3: just couldn't do it. And they gave him every opportunity,

1471
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 3: and I think team wide they were hoping it would work,

1472
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 3: of course, but it didn't. But the guy they brought

1473
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:29,919
Speaker 3: in was just he was automatic and automatic.

1474
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 2: Maybe he's gonna be able to learn from me. He

1475
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 2: really had that veteran kicker with it, and so I

1476
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 2: think you're looking at it. He got Dustin Hopkins under contract,

1477
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 2: he's the kicker, and then you got Kid York to

1478
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 2: hopefully maybe become the kicker that you draft him to

1479
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 2: be which is your kicker of the president future.

1480
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 3: Do you think that's a part of their you know,

1481
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 3: the the intel that they do to draft a guy.

1482
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 3: I know they drafted kid York and I know they

1483
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 3: put a lot into that course, and he was the

1484
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 3: best kicker in college football. I mean you went to

1485
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 3: every team and they would say, hey, if you needed

1486
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 3: the kicker, this was the pre So I mean they

1487
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 3: give you think they go back to that and say, listen,

1488
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 3: maybe we can just get that going.

1489
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we know the talents in there, we gotta we

1490
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 2: gotta get it out of them, and so hopefully we

1491
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 2: can do that. It was great to see him, as

1492
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 2: I said yesterday in here, and certainly wish he happy

1493
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 2: to be very happy.

1494
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did you know, when you.

1495
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 2: Start your career off in a town like Cleveland with

1496
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 2: a moment like that which he did, which many people

1497
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 2: set your call in my sound to the soundtrack of

1498
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 2: the Titanic, which is an unbelievable moment. He became a

1499
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 2: little bit of a Cleveland legend right in that moment.

1500
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 2: And so truly, truly and unfortunately this is this town

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Speaker 2: can be tough on you when things are not going

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01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 2: as well either. And yeah, so now he gets a

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01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 2: chance at redemption, and I think everybody certainly likes that,

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Speaker 2: all right, when we come back. When we come back,

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Speaker 2: our great friend Charles Davis from the NFL Network and

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Speaker 2: CBS Sports joins us via the Twisted Tea Hotline that's

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Speaker 2: coming up next year on Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns Daily brought to you by bally Bet now

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Speaker 1: live in Ohio eighth the ESPN Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: Oh what a treat here On Cleveland Browns Daily Nathan Zegura,

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Speaker 2: the Voice of the Browns, Jim Donovan, and we go

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Speaker 2: Keep it twisted, Cleveland, because we're going to talk to

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01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 2: our great friend Charles Davis from the NFL Network and

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01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 2: CBS Sports, who joins us now via that Twisted Tea Hotline.

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Speaker 2: And don't forget you can catch Charles in the NFL

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01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 2: Network coverage of the twenty twenty four NFL Draft live

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Speaker 2: from Detroit, April twenty fifth to the twenty seventh. Charles,

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01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 2: what a treat great to talk with you.

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01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 3: How you doing brand.

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01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 4: I'm doing well. It's always good to hear your voice, Nathan,

1524
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 4: hope everything's going well. And I hear you with the

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01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 4: legend today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, We've got the legend here. I have

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Speaker 3: to say, Charles, thank you so much. He Charles wrote

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01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 3: me the most beautiful note that about you know, when

1529
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 3: I was going through my situation, and it really hit

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01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 3: me in the heart. Like you know, I got so

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01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 3: many nice wishes from people, but it was a beautiful note. Charles.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. It meant a lot to me.

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01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 4: It's the least I can do. I mean, you mean

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01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 4: a lot to a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: And thank you.

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01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 4: You know, we don't just treasure we don't just treasure

1537
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:16,799
Speaker 4: you because you're great at what you do. Your treasure

1538
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 4: because of who you are.

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01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Thank you.

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01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 4: That it's wonderful to hear your voice today.

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01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 3: Thanks Charles, you are the best. Yeah, it really is.

1542
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 2: People ask me all the time, Oh, what's the Charles

1543
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 2: the nicest guy you've ever met? Like, imagine that, and

1544
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 2: that's that's There's that's Charles Davis for you. So Charles,

1545
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 2: this is a fun time of year for you, right

1546
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 2: as you kind of I'm gonna ask you to look

1547
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 2: two directions. Look back a little bit at the wildness

1548
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 2: of another unbelievable season, especially the AFC, the dominance of

1549
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 2: that conference, and in particular yeah, the Kansas City Chiefs continues.

1550
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 3: And then you're gonna be looking forward to the draft.

1551
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 2: But as you look back, what kinds stood out to

1552
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 2: you about this season? And you and I and do

1553
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 2: such a great job as I've shared with you, And

1554
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 2: then I get an opportunity to hear you on the call.

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01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 3: You guys, you guys are great.

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01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 4: Well, thank you. You're awfully kind and and you know,

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01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 4: right back to you guys, because you know how much

1558
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 4: I bug you during the season aside to keep a

1559
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 4: breast and learned teams, and I greatly appreciate both of

1560
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 4: you helping me out. But for me looking back on

1561
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 4: the season, was just the uncertainty at every turn. And

1562
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 4: when I say uncertainty, maybe that's the wrong word. Maybe

1563
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 4: the intrigue, maybe the mystery. Right, there was a little

1564
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 4: mystery to this past season because we started it, of

1565
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 4: course with the Super Bowl champs getting the host. We

1566
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 4: knew going into that game that Detroit we expected them

1567
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 4: to be good. Now here's your measuring stick. And then,

1568
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 4: of course, what did we have Chris Jones hold out,

1569
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 4: Travis Kelce. Travis Kelsey doesn't play. But the Lions win

1570
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 4: the game on the road and were off and running. Okay,

1571
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 4: the Lions fulfilled their promises expected Kansas City. We know

1572
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 4: at the end they hoisted the Super Bowl trophy. But

1573
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 4: let's face it, guys, about six weeks out of the

1574
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:00,520
Speaker 4: end of the season, five weeks out somewhere that neighborhood,

1575
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 4: definitely on Christmas Day, there were a ton of doubt

1576
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 4: out there about this this team. They couldn't score is

1577
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 4: consistently on offense. All of a sudden, they were a

1578
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 4: defensive defensive team who could run the football or tried

1579
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 4: to run the football. We didn't see any for lack

1580
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 4: of a better work consistency in their play. And so

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01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 4: now they look vulnerable. Like if you'd ask me Christmas Day,

1582
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 4: I would have told you Kanas City, we know is

1583
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 4: going to make the playoffs, but they're not going to

1584
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl this year. I'm pretty sure I

1585
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 4: said it. I'm pretty sure I said it. So that

1586
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 4: was a big part of what was going then on

1587
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 4: the NFC side, San Francisco looked like they were so dominant,

1588
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 4: went through their three game lull, you guys had something to.

1589
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 3: Do with that, if I.

1590
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 4: And then they got back on the beam. But then

1591
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 4: our crew did a San Francisco at Arizona game where

1592
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 4: San Francisco won by about twenty but they didn't play

1593
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 4: to their standard and Arizona ran the football on them,

1594
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden they were like, hey, they're vulnerable.

1595
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,719
Speaker 4: And if Detroit kept running the football in the playoffs,

1596
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 4: I don't know that we get San Francisco.

1597
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Speaker 3: In the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: Kind of a year, right, guys. It was that kind

1599
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 4: of a year where there were so many things, and

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01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 4: I'd be remiss if I didn't talk about the AFC North,

1601
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 4: which is always a if you're a pro wrestling fan,

1602
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 4: do you understand this. This is a stretch La stretcher match.

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01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 4: Every game, Every game is a loser, leave town match,

1604
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 4: every game of the last Knuckles match, you know, tape fists,

1605
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 4: whatever they did, whatever they wanted to use. That's what

1606
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 4: the FC North was. And it always felt like someone

1607
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 4: was kicking a field goal to beat someone. And it

1608
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 4: was that type of a year and what Cleveland did

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01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 4: to stay afloat, to stay abreast, to be relevant, to

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01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 4: finish eleven and six, I think is reflected by mister

1611
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 4: and missus Haslam now from what we hear extending the

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01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 4: contracts of Kevin's de fantasy, the head coach Andrew Berry,

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01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 4: because I thought they did yelp with duty last year.

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01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 3: They did Charles everything. Though, as we go forward now

1615
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 3: into year three with Deshaun Watson and where he is

1616
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 3: and what we can forecast, and it's so because I

1617
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 3: think Nathan would agree. As we've watched them. We've only

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01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 3: seen snapshots because there were six games, you know, in

1619
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,480
Speaker 3: that first year because of the suspension and then the injuries,

1620
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 3: and then we're left with that tantalizing game in Baltimore,

1621
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 3: that second half where he went fourteen for fourteen and

1622
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 3: they win, and then boom, twenty four hours later, he's

1623
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 3: done for the remainder of the year. So where do

1624
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 3: you think, where are you with Deshaun Watson in trying

1625
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 3: to revive his career and physically then you know, maneuver

1626
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 3: to lead this team and to kind of restore himself,

1627
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 3: you know in the quarterback talk.

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01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm in limbo. To be frankly, because yeah, we

1629
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 4: hit the year before he left Houston. Remember he sat out. Okay,

1630
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 4: so he sits out, then the trade happens, right, everything

1631
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 4: goes down, and he has the eleven game suspension, but

1632
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 4: people keep forgetting it. And then eleven game suspension. He

1633
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 4: had to be away from the team for a lot

1634
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 4: of that. So by the time he came back, now

1635
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 4: he's gonna play down the stretch. Duh, there's RUSS because

1636
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 4: essentially two seasons of RUSS now that you have to

1637
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:21,640
Speaker 4: work off of. Then he comes back and he has

1638
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 4: the entire offseason, the entire preseason. But they're bumps along

1639
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 4: the way. He's got the shoulder thing, he's got this,

1640
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,759
Speaker 4: he's got that. And to your point, that second half

1641
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 4: at Baltimore, that's when we said, ah, yeah, that's why

1642
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 4: they went and got him right, And I think there's optimism.

1643
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 4: I think it's optimism on all front. Said Okay, now

1644
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 4: we'll start to get consistency to go with it. We'll

1645
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:46,600
Speaker 4: get these types of performances each and every week. But

1646
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 4: lo and behold, twenty four hours later, as you pointed out,

1647
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 4: he's out for the season. He could not have gone

1648
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 4: out on a higher note. He could not have gone

1649
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 4: out more of a warrior, to use the term that

1650
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 4: we use a lot in the NFL, and now once

1651
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 4: again it is and Toll interrupt us. So now we've

1652
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 4: got to find out because now we've got another season

1653
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 4: that's incomplete. It's the third straight season we doesn't get

1654
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 4: a complete season in What are we going to get

1655
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 4: next year? I'm leaning towards the positive side on it.

1656
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 4: I think the way he finished thea's a great taste

1657
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 4: in their mouth. But let's face it, guys, he's got

1658
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 4: to come out of the gate and be good right

1659
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 4: from the beginning. And you understand why management said Joe

1660
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 4: Flacco probably a good idea that you apply your craft elsewhere,

1661
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 4: because could you imagine Joe Flacco sitting on the bench

1662
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:33,759
Speaker 4: behind him and he doesn't play well early?

1663
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 3: Oh, of course.

1664
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:38,600
Speaker 2: That would be a Cleveland Brown Stadium would be not

1665
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:40,919
Speaker 2: a It wouldn't be a hospitable environment.

1666
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we'll be turning the crap mics down,

1667
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 3: turn those things down.

1668
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 2: Charles to a quick question about maybe our big off

1669
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 2: season acquisition, Jerry Judy, You know, what did you think

1670
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 2: of him coming out of Alabama? What do you think

1671
01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:59,600
Speaker 2: of him today, and then the fact that he's going

1672
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 2: to go in a receiver room with the guy that

1673
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 2: he idolized, you know, really the reason that he went

1674
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:04,799
Speaker 2: to Alabama Marii Cooper.

1675
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, remember he came out Alabama the same time as

1676
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 4: Henry Ruggs. And now we know about you know, the

1677
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 4: the the issues that Ruggs caused, and same issues doesn't

1678
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 4: even come close to it. Because someone lost their life,

1679
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 4: their their their prize pet, lost their life by by

1680
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 4: absolute recklessness. But ranking them coming out, I had Judy

1681
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 4: ahead of Rugs, and Ruggs may have been the fastest

1682
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 4: of all those receivers in that grouping, but I thought

1683
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 4: he was the one on the bottom of that grouping.

1684
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 4: I thought Judy had more polished to him, more and

1685
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 4: more and more better, better route runner, a little bit

1686
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 4: more of game savvy than I thought when I watched

1687
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 4: Rugs was such a pure speed guy. You understood why

1688
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 4: Mark Davis fell in love with him because of the

1689
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 4: DNA of al Davis. Of course, right, that's what the

1690
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,560
Speaker 4: Raiders wanted. I mean, let's face it, Henry Ruggs was

1691
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:57,640
Speaker 4: shades of Warren Wells Cliff Branch, right, Yeah, James, j

1692
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 4: every guy that they ever brought in there to be

1693
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 4: that speed guy. Well, Judy I thought had more to him,

1694
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 4: but he's been a victim of inconsistent quarterback play for

1695
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 4: one thing, in Denver. He's also been victing up some

1696
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 4: injuries while he was in Denver as well. You get

1697
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 4: him healthy, you get him in the right room. I

1698
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 4: think he's in a great one with a MARII Cooper

1699
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 4: leading the way showing you how to be a pro

1700
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 4: each and every day. Sometimes you just need that new place,

1701
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 4: that that that new look each and every day. And

1702
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 4: I'm really optimistic about Jerry Judy going there. I really am,

1703
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 4: because I do think that the Browns are going to

1704
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,719
Speaker 4: want to be able to play a little more wide

1705
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 4: open at times. Because when you play I always equated

1706
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 4: to basketball guys, when you play half court all the time.

1707
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 4: Remember when Jube Brown was a great coach with the

1708
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,679
Speaker 4: Knicks and Bernard Yes, and you'd be called every set

1709
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 4: and every time down court he was calling a set

1710
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 4: and usually for Bernard to score and all. But it's

1711
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 4: a slog man. You've got to be precise on every

1712
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 4: one of them. You've got to maximize those sets. The

1713
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 4: whole deal. They got no runouts, no easy baskets, no exhale.

1714
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 4: The Browns are gonna want to feel more of those

1715
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 4: exhales because it is hard going to turn and hand

1716
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 4: it create third, third and short pick it up all

1717
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 4: the time, third and seven pick it up. They want

1718
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 4: to get past that and have a few of those

1719
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 4: that get some of these defenders to back off a

1720
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,640
Speaker 4: little bit and find some space for whoever's going to

1721
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 4: end up ultimately running the football and find Deshaun Watson

1722
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 4: for some of those throws they can throw it to

1723
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 4: Djoku inside and right on down the line.

1724
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 3: Charles, you know when when Flacco did his magic in

1725
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 3: that run here at the end of the year, it

1726
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 3: was kind of an old fashioned offense that the Browns

1727
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,799
Speaker 3: went back to, you know, drop back in the pocket,

1728
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 3: play very company, you know, beautiful play action, and and

1729
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 3: and he'd hit the big plays, and it was it

1730
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 3: was really kind of like turning the page and going

1731
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 3: back and watching that offense. Do you ever think that

1732
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 3: defenses now will get up to speed on these spread

1733
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 3: offenses that the NFL is starting to really you know,

1734
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 3: be apart live with and and and they saw that

1735
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 3: spread offense and we would go back to kind of

1736
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 3: an old fashion offense.

1737
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 4: You know, that's a great question. Is one that I

1738
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 4: pose mentally a lot, and I posed it the coaches

1739
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 4: a lot. The mentality of being able to do the

1740
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 4: two things is what coaches always seem to kind of

1741
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 4: stall on a little bit when they talk about it.

1742
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 4: And when I say stall they would love to be

1743
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 4: able to say, you know something, let's play the way

1744
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 4: you just described, but when push comes to shove and

1745
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 4: we need it, let's line up and knock someone off

1746
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 4: the ball. It's almost like if you can't commit to

1747
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 4: doing the knocking people off the ball consistently all the time,

1748
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 4: it makes it more difficult. So that's why people are

1749
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 4: struggling with this. Plus, let's face it, you guys are

1750
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 4: seeing it in the draft all the time. J Okay,

1751
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 4: is he a linebacker an old school football or is

1752
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 4: he a strong safety?

1753
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1754
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:49,639
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, this is what we're playing with all

1755
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 4: the time. This is what we're playing with all the

1756
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 4: time now. And that's not a knock on him. He's

1757
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 4: playing awfully well in today's system. But in the old days, God,

1758
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 4: you guys both remember I mean, heckting your divisi and

1759
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 4: there's a guy named David David Fulcher. Wow, Okay, you

1760
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 4: remember you remember remember Kenny Easily up in Seattle. Yeah,

1761
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 4: that you guys drafted. Who's that? Who's that big safety

1762
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 4: that you had?

1763
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 3: Eric Eric Turners such a sad monster, great player. Remember

1764
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 3: remember Tim mcmember, Tim, Yes.

1765
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:31,759
Speaker 4: Okay, Lewis Oliver, I mean we were talking plus size

1766
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 4: jumbo safety in today's football would all play linebacker. But

1767
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 4: of course, back then Levon Kirkland was three hundred pounds

1768
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 4: playing linebacker. So it's a different game. It has changed

1769
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 4: in such a way that the more the more the

1770
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 4: water bugs are out there running around and playing and

1771
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 4: make it really good plays. And not many people, to

1772
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 4: your point, have said, We're just gonna line up and

1773
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 4: beat you up and make you pay for being smaller.

1774
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 4: Baltimore comes to mind. Cleveland likes to do it under

1775
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 4: Kevin Stefanski. I mean they they would line up if

1776
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 4: you have the backs to do it, they would like

1777
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 4: to do it. The Niners. One thing about Kyle Shanahan,

1778
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 4: everybody knows how wide open they are. He will gladly

1779
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:11,560
Speaker 4: run it twenty five times in a row if you

1780
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 4: let it.

1781
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 3: Yes, and remember it here he did.

1782
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,599
Speaker 4: Remember the run to Super Bowl Garoffolo remember two playoff

1783
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:21,759
Speaker 4: games that they played. He didn't throw it ten times

1784
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 4: in either game. That that's old school football. So it's

1785
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 4: it's not many people who are willing to commit to

1786
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 4: it and stay and when I say not, just commit

1787
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 4: to it, stay with it, because a lot of teams, Hey,

1788
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 4: we're gonna run it. We're gonna run and we're gonna

1789
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 4: run it. Nathan knows as well. You see it all

1790
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 4: the time. You talk to teams, you see them we're

1791
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 4: gonna run, We're gonna run it. The first third and

1792
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 4: three they're throwing the football.

1793
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 3: Shotgun empty, empty, You're you're you're down on.

1794
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 4: The goal line inside the two and you're going guns.

1795
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 4: You know, I mean, it just it just changes.

1796
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 7: You know.

1797
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 4: People talk about it, but who really commits to it.

1798
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 3: Well, listen the Browns last year.

1799
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 2: I had a package where we went goal line at

1800
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 2: the fifty would we would just go goal line formation

1801
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 2: in the middle of the field, and it actually worked

1802
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,600
Speaker 2: pretty well. Got a touchdown to Chief Roun.

1803
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it actually it worked quite well.

1804
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 2: Charles, help us understand something because I was a couple

1805
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 2: of fridays ago I saw the news Kenny Pickett was

1806
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 2: being traded to Philadelphia, and I immediately put my head

1807
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 2: in my hands. I said, they're gonna get him, aren't they?

1808
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 2: And sure enough, by the time I returned to the

1809
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 2: radio on Monday, Justin Fields was a Steeler. I have

1810
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 2: a lot of respect for Justin Fields. I think he's

1811
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 2: a great talent. He's improved every year he's been in

1812
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 2: the league. Jim feels the same way. Help us understand,

1813
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 2: because you have a much better eye for this mind

1814
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:37,719
Speaker 2: forward in connections. I'm sure how was Justin Fields available

1815
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 2: for a six round pick. I just don't even I

1816
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 2: can't get my head around that. And now I fear

1817
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 2: that we're gonna have to deal with them with the

1818
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:45,640
Speaker 2: Steelers for many years.

1819
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're going to have to deal with him.

1820
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 4: One year he works behind Russell Wilson. It might not

1821
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 4: be a year, okay, depending on how the season goes early,

1822
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 4: he could very well be in there. And the way

1823
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh has got to playing, I think you started to

1824
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 4: recognize that Pittsburgh. You guys knew three, four or five

1825
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,640
Speaker 4: years ago. I mean, the crazy part for me is

1826
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 4: going into a season and I've done it since I

1827
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 4: came over to CBS where every year Pittsburgh is near

1828
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 4: the bottom of the league and running the football yep.

1829
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 4: Now strange that just to look at what yep yep.

1830
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 4: But last year, the second half of the year, Nijee

1831
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:26,600
Speaker 4: Harris found his mojo. It's almost like he woke up

1832
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 4: one day said, hold out the fact that Jalen Warren

1833
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 4: is beating my time, and that's okay, let me get

1834
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 4: us back together. And so so now they've got one

1835
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 4: two punch. The offensive line solidified enough that they started

1836
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 4: knocking people off the ball a little bit and creating

1837
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 4: increases and they got back to running it. So now

1838
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 4: what are they going to want to do? Continue to

1839
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 4: run it, throw off a play action. And by the way,

1840
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 4: you got two quarterbacks now in Wilson and Fields who

1841
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 4: operated the play action very well because the big arm

1842
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 4: throwing over the top. I think we're going to see

1843
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 4: the Steelers trying to add some more receivers because they

1844
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 4: got rid of Deontae Johnson. Kickings is the one there

1845
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 4: and he's mainly their speed threat. Right now, they're going

1846
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 4: to add a few more because if you're gonna throw

1847
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 4: it off a play action, as you guys know, you

1848
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 4: want to throw it hurt people. You don't want to

1849
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 4: check downs off of play action. You want to throw

1850
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 4: it downfield. And that's what I think is going on. Now.

1851
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 4: To your point, why was he available for a six

1852
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:16,919
Speaker 4: round pick? Who's available for big money these days? Anyway,

1853
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 4: You guys may have made the last big quarterback transaction

1854
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 4: that way because Lamar Jackson was up for grabs and

1855
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 4: no one wanted to seriously get involved in the city. Yeah, okay,

1856
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 4: you guys gave up big numbers in order to get

1857
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,600
Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson. Look around the rest of the league and

1858
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 4: see what guys are going for is on Kenny Pickett.

1859
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 4: They didn't get a whole lot of deal for Kenny Pickett.

1860
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 4: He was a former first round pick. You saw you

1861
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 4: noted what they got for justin fields, the Jets are

1862
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 4: trying their best to take get Zach Wilton anywhere. No

1863
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,600
Speaker 4: one's offering anything. So it's a very strange market. I

1864
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 4: know that they think it's a big quarterback market this

1865
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 4: year in the draft in terms of that, so maybe

1866
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 4: that's keeping it depressed a little bit. But former first

1867
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 4: round picks are going in the sixth rounds and that well,

1868
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 4: it really throws me.

1869
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 3: But it throws me.

1870
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 4: I don't get it, really don't know. I really don't

1871
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 4: understand it. I haven't figured that part out. But I

1872
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 4: think part of it too is how many of them

1873
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 4: have gone to another team to be the prohibitive starter.

1874
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 4: Rights made the deal for Fields, They'd already made a

1875
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 4: deal for Russell Wilson, so he was going into be

1876
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 4: number two.

1877
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 3: I mean.

1878
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 2: The one thing to me that I always thought was

1879
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 2: maybe a little damning is that his offensive cordiator in

1880
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 2: Chicago's now with the Raiders and would rather have Gardner

1881
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 2: Minshew than justin Field. So that so maybe there's something

1882
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 2: more that we know.

1883
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 7: Charles, we appreciated it might be something more.

1884
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Charles, love having you on. Appreciate the time.

1885
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 2: Thank you for your kindness to my partner Jim Donovan

1886
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 2: as well.

1887
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 4: Listen, the kindness has been sent and said to me tenfold.

1888
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 4: The least I can do. You got to take care

1889
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 4: of yourself, all right, Talk to you, Charles.

1890
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 3: The Great Charles Davis.

1891
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 2: You can catch them on NFL Network providing live coverage

1892
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty four NFL Draft from Detroit, April

1893
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 2: twenty fifth to the twenty seventh, So much more to come,

1894
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Speaker 3: I told you we have so much more to common.

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01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 3: And that is the grift. Fact of the day, adrift.

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01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 2: Fact of the day, fact of the day, fact of

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Speaker 2: the day.

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Speaker 3: It's the grift back to the day.

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Speaker 7: So this past Sunday, Nathan McKinnon from the Colorado Avalanche

1906
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:34,640
Speaker 7: extended his home points Street record to thirty four games.

1907
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 7: He not only set the Colorado franchise record for the

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01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 7: most in a single season, but he also set the

1909
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 7: second longest streak in NHL history. He now sits right

1910
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 7: behind the great one himself, Wayne Gretzky, who owns that

1911
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 7: record at forty games. If McKinnon surpasses this record, he

1912
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 7: would only take one of sixty one current NHL records

1913
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:55,759
Speaker 7: that Wayne Gretzky currently holds.

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01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 3: How about that that is rare hair that is rare.

1915
01:28:58,479 --> 01:28:58,639
Speaker 6: Air.

1916
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 3: The records not too bad. I got a hockey one.

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01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 3: I go. Well, Donovan will appreciate it. I love it.

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01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 3: He love it well. Loved being with you. Great game.

1919
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 3: It was a blast. I think we're all warmed up

1920
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 3: and bright. We're ready to go. Yeah. Good thing.

1921
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 2: We don't have to start at the Hall of Fame

1922
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 2: game though, wee get well, we'll take an extra week there.

1923
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 3: Amen, all right, the next level is next.

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