Speaker 1: And you cann't tell because my thumb is this shape.
Speaker 2: But you know I could tell. What do you mean
Speaker 2: this shape? Got the old tom.
Speaker 1: Shorties?
Speaker 2: Those are like regular as thumbs to me.
Speaker 3: Thank you, don't try. Don't try to make it like
Speaker 3: your thumbs are popping like that, Catherine. They look like
Speaker 3: regular ass thumbs to me.
Speaker 2: Your thumbs are better than me. Oh you think you
Speaker 2: say your thumbs are better than me? Huh, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: I'm actually like really good at a thumb war because
Speaker 1: even though they're too short, they are really strong, so
Speaker 1: like I just reach over and grab them.
Speaker 2: Oh do you?
Speaker 4: But you should make a movie like Rudy about your
Speaker 4: thumb when you do a thumb wore?
Speaker 2: Are you going at the base? Are you going? Are
Speaker 2: you trying to go over? Are you like I'm over
Speaker 2: the top like that movie.
Speaker 4: Oh, over the top, like Slash Life alone.
Speaker 2: You come over the top with the thumb war.
Speaker 3: Oh ship, that's a good part is if you chigo
Speaker 3: one two, three four I declared, And then before you
Speaker 3: get thumb war, you just fucking do it.
Speaker 2: You're like, sorry, blitz Creek, that's cheating. I don't think
Speaker 2: that's allowed. Cheated. One two blitz Greek go.
Speaker 4: That's actually the best strategies before before the game starts,
Speaker 4: you just start scoring buckets on the other team.
Speaker 2: Exactly. It's just during warm ups. These count right, These
Speaker 2: count right just under the swish switch switch switch, these
Speaker 2: can count for one. I don't care.
Speaker 4: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season four to oh nine,
Speaker 4: Episode four of Dirty Gust. Oh man, I can't believe
Speaker 4: we didn't see it until now four O nine to
Speaker 4: four revelations.
Speaker 2: Oh Boom ninety four.
Speaker 3: Where the Armor of Christ boom, protect yourself with the
Speaker 3: blood Boom You'll.
Speaker 2: Be You'll be heavy Boom.
Speaker 4: This is a podcast where we take a deep bave
Speaker 4: into America's share consciousness. And it is Thursday, October ninth.
Speaker 4: Damn another nine show up Nines. The Nines are coming
Speaker 4: up twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: What a dude? This is?
Speaker 3: This is so stupid, you know how I'll read off
Speaker 3: the days and like they'll just be like l's it's
Speaker 3: like kiss a cop Day or some shit. First of all,
Speaker 3: I rench a cop. It's a National moldy cheese Day. Uh,
Speaker 3: and then also pro life cupcake Day.
Speaker 2: What the fuck is dumb ass shit? Anyway?
Speaker 4: I prefer my cupcakes to be a little more progressive.
Speaker 3: But thank you, I like to might be moldy like
Speaker 3: the cheese. Where's the day for that fucking cupcakes? So
Speaker 3: is that like you buy a cupcake for a pro
Speaker 3: life hos?
Speaker 2: Who knows?
Speaker 3: Maybe that's the convinced someone to see the light by
Speaker 3: getting them, like, maybe treat someone to a cupcake.
Speaker 2: Who's thinking that's what it took?
Speaker 4: What if I just came out of pro life because
Speaker 4: someone got me a cupcake? I was like, I'm sorry, guys,
Speaker 4: was the last time you got me a cupake?
Speaker 2: Somehow? It wasn't money or these other things. It was
Speaker 2: a cupcake. Really charmed by this cupcake.
Speaker 4: My name is Jack O'Brien aka he's bopping downstairs now?
Speaker 2: Whoa Obama walks?
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 4: Hey? That one courtesy of snarfulaw on the Discord, in
Speaker 4: reference to Donald Trump's seething jealousy over how well Obama
Speaker 4: walks downstairs. Yeah, just rubbing that shit in our faces,
Speaker 4: rubbing his flexible functional knees in our faces.
Speaker 2: You can't do that. You can't be boop poop poop.
Speaker 4: You gotta walk down cool and slow with your legs
Speaker 4: locked out like a robot from a nineteen fifty sci
Speaker 4: fi movie.
Speaker 3: That's the way, just my rigid right leg has nothing
Speaker 3: to do with prefrontal prefrontal dementia or whatever the experts
Speaker 3: are trying to say on the internet.
Speaker 2: It's called swag.
Speaker 4: Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined as always buy my
Speaker 4: co host, mister.
Speaker 2: Miles Gras Miles Great, He Mayo capes cape me. Really
Speaker 2: excuse me? Sex you will? Feeling is sex you will?
Speaker 2: Phelis baby Mayo blows my mind. Okay, shout out to Parkula.
Speaker 3: We're talking about how Stephen Miller is a Mayo guy
Speaker 3: a few days ago, which is we knew that without
Speaker 3: even knowing that.
Speaker 4: We knew that could we knew that, Yeah, he was
Speaker 4: a Mayo guy before anything else that that was just assumed,
Speaker 4: baseline presumed Mayo guy. Miles were thrilled to be joined
Speaker 4: in our third seat by a brilliant anti racism educator, activist, writer,
Speaker 4: creator of the acclaimed podcast White Homework.
Speaker 2: It's Tory Williams Douglas.
Speaker 1: Hi, thanks for having me back. I'm so excited. This
Speaker 1: is the perfect week for me, specifically to be here
Speaker 1: as a Portlander who did not get raptured.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, damn Portland, and we are sorry about that.
Speaker 3: We're yeah, not the not the not the federal invasion,
Speaker 3: about the right, No.
Speaker 2: No, no, about the rapture. Yeah, because one of those is
Speaker 2: made up exactly.
Speaker 1: Wait which one? Which one's?
Speaker 3: Tune in later for my overrated Uh yeah, hell yeah,
Speaker 3: how is uh?
Speaker 2: What's I mean?
Speaker 3: Like, I think every time we have a guest on
Speaker 3: where the Magical the Fash across America tour lands in
Speaker 3: their city, I'm guessing things feel shitty, a little muted
Speaker 3: because these people rolled up. Although you know, I'm sure
Speaker 3: all the action is limited to like two blocks of
Speaker 3: a city, but they're gonna say your whole city's melting down.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the video that they posted it was
Speaker 1: like again a beautiful day, like the video that like
Speaker 1: the whatever the fash influencers Betty Johnson Johnson postings like
Speaker 1: it was like a beautiful day. There was some some
Speaker 1: media and a guy in a chicken suit.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean every time they say they're invading, it's like
Speaker 1: it's gorgeous out What the fuck are you talking?
Speaker 4: I know?
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it is deeply overrated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean just also just but the vibes
Speaker 3: instantly go down and you're like, oh my god, the
Speaker 3: goons are in town again.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, in the in that like particular neighborhood, but
Speaker 1: that the bikes have already been down there. I think
Speaker 1: I've mentioned this before, because the ice facility and the
Speaker 1: Tesla dealership are like right next to our neighbors.
Speaker 2: It's perfect.
Speaker 1: It's just a NonStop like there's always just a couple
Speaker 1: of people there with signs. Yeah, pretty much all day
Speaker 1: every day because it's a twofer, you know, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: have to.
Speaker 4: Get fucked in your general direction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, to that, to that part of that.
Speaker 1: And it's like it's not a through street, so they're
Speaker 1: not like blocking traffic or anything. Kind of it's sort
Speaker 1: of a little bit of a dead end sort of situation.
Speaker 1: And people just like drive their Tesla's past the protesters
Speaker 1: every day and then the protesters are like across the
Speaker 1: street from the Ice facility.
Speaker 2: It's a whole thing.
Speaker 4: But you're not going to get any help in there
Speaker 4: if you're a Tesla. Tesla's customer service notoriously, they're like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, we don't really have people who
Speaker 4: work here, so you're kind of on your own.
Speaker 1: Come talk to our bot.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Yeah, I saw a Tesla getting towed out
Speaker 1: of my neighborhood yesterday and I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: there it goes.
Speaker 4: There it is dust. Couldn't have less sympathy for anyone
Speaker 4: into Tesla Tory. We're thrilled to have you. We're going
Speaker 4: to get to know you a little bit better in
Speaker 4: a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners a
Speaker 4: couple of things we're talking about. We're going to delve
Speaker 4: further into whatever sexually is going on between Stephen Miller,
Speaker 4: his wife, and Jesse Waters, because the vibes are strange.
Speaker 4: We talked yesterday about Jesse waters interview with Stephen Miller's
Speaker 4: wife where he like opened it up being like, so
Speaker 4: you're married to Stephen Miller, you must be the envy
Speaker 4: of every woman in America. And it was like, buddy,
Speaker 4: that was definitely sarcastic. Wait a second, and he like
Speaker 4: kind of doubled down in a way that what it's
Speaker 4: hard to read. Does he want to like be the
Speaker 4: third in their relationship or is he mocking Steven Miller? Right,
Speaker 4: you'll you'll be the judge. We're gonna play some clips
Speaker 4: and we'll talk about the question of whether going woke
Speaker 4: means going broke when it comes to the performance of movies,
Speaker 4: which spoiler Alert does not. But before we get any
Speaker 4: of that toy, we do like to ask our guest,
Speaker 4: what is something from your search history that's revealing about
Speaker 4: who you are?
Speaker 1: Well? I was trying to remember what animal or species
Speaker 1: evolved before sharks, because I know that sharks evolved like
Speaker 1: a shit ton long time ago.
Speaker 2: Like millions of years, right, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: Like hundreds of millions of years if I recall correctly,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, wait, what came before that?
Speaker 1: And then I wound up on what I think is
Speaker 1: an AI website. It's called Oldest Oldest dot org. So
Speaker 1: I was checking that out. Is great, They've got a list.
Speaker 1: Some of them look like they could be right, horseshoe, crab,
Speaker 1: jellyfish over five hundred million years, elephant shark it says
Speaker 1: four hundred million. I don't but I don't know, and
Speaker 1: so I was like, ooh, I'm going to do some
Speaker 1: more research and see if this is an AI website
Speaker 1: or not. And I think that it is because the
Speaker 1: the animal that you can see the oldest animal you
Speaker 1: can see, you know, that's visible to the naked eye
Speaker 1: on this website, so like something post bacteria or something
Speaker 1: that came after bacteria evolved our tenophors. I think I
Speaker 1: pronounced that right. Comb jellies, and on oldest dot Org
Speaker 1: claims that comb jellies experience about half of the same
Speaker 1: disease as the humans do, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't think that's right. I got a little cold, like
Speaker 1: wait a second, So then I had to do a
Speaker 1: deep dive into that do comb jellies have the same
Speaker 1: diseases as humans? And Google AI tells me no, I
Speaker 1: couldn't find the research that oldest dot org looked up
Speaker 1: or said they're like the NIAH is doing research on
Speaker 1: comb jelly's because they're trying to figure out how to
Speaker 1: like solve disease. And I was like, again, I can't
Speaker 1: find this NIH paper that they failed to link to.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm just trying to figure out, like what
Speaker 1: what animals evolved first?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't remember.
Speaker 3: It's a shame that you end up on some like
Speaker 3: ai slop website that's clearly just shitting out listicles. I'm
Speaker 3: looking at oldest dot org here, and I'm like, oh
Speaker 3: my god.
Speaker 1: And it's a little bit like Internet nineteen nights, like
Speaker 1: circa nineteen ninety eight, like the images, and so it's
Speaker 1: weird because it's like AI slot plus like old timey Internet.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, I don't know what to make
Speaker 1: of the old and new just making shit up on
Speaker 1: the Internet. The Internet does want to do.
Speaker 2: I like how my cursor changes into a sparkly wand
Speaker 2: when I hover over the links, like an old GeoCities
Speaker 2: website of old.
Speaker 4: Horseshoe crabs are the most ancient looking thing. Like when
Speaker 4: you look at those, you're like, oh, this is like
Speaker 4: out of old motherfuckers. Yeah, this is this couldn't look
Speaker 4: any more or like it was a first draft. That
Speaker 4: is just like kind of still hamming around. Oh yeah
Speaker 4: that thing, Yeah, you flip that thing over. It's like
Speaker 4: a fucking horror movie in there, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: They always get flipped over on the Jersey shore, on
Speaker 4: the beach of the Ocean City, and it's just fucking
Speaker 4: gnarly under there because they live for a long time
Speaker 4: and they get like barnacles and all these like other
Speaker 4: things like growing on them.
Speaker 2: Can you eat them?
Speaker 4: Horseshoe crabs, Yeah, not that I've ever heard of. They're
Speaker 4: mainly like plates and hard things. I don't think you'd
Speaker 4: want to eat a horseshoe crab.
Speaker 2: The one place I'm seeing a horseshoe crab thing is
Speaker 2: bush Guide one oh one. So it sounds like you're
Speaker 2: probably not choosing to eat a horseshoe crab. Sure, okay.
Speaker 4: Also, you're probably not on bush Guide looking for this information.
Speaker 4: I think you got to here going going for something else.
Speaker 3: I'm on bush Guide trying to go figure out what's
Speaker 3: going on with these crabs in.
Speaker 1: My bush deserted Island.
Speaker 4: Reddit, Reddit and Wikipedia, like that's the only thing that
Speaker 4: I like go to. There's just a r slash Revolution
Speaker 4: or our slash evolution from five years ago. It has
Speaker 4: all the information that you need. It's and then AI
Speaker 4: is just remixing that ship over and over again. It
Speaker 4: looks like a website from two thousand and eight, because
Speaker 4: that is what they're remixing.
Speaker 2: They're just chopping it up. Oh no, you can eat
Speaker 2: them inland, Okay, I'm sure you could.
Speaker 3: I need a high horseshoe grab before I hit a
Speaker 3: New Jersey, like a Jersey shore one that's yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Jersey Shore ones all have like drug problems
Speaker 4: and ship Yeah, like that's what higher rubbery.
Speaker 1: They're high. Yeah, they're high on cocaine that gets left water.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 4: But I like I saw one that was had washed
Speaker 4: up and I like flipped it back over and it
Speaker 4: just pulled a reverse like it was just like looking
Speaker 4: at me and just like reversed into the ocean like
Speaker 4: Homer Bush Gift.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was kind of cool.
Speaker 4: WHOA what is something you think is under hat toy?
Speaker 1: I have to say underrated for me recently is if
Speaker 1: you have kids the seven eleven app, because they give
Speaker 1: you discounts on like Slurpees and ship and my kids
Speaker 1: love that stuff. So I've been going in there and
Speaker 1: my kids just get all their little treats and it
Speaker 1: comes up to like four dollars and all you have
Speaker 1: to do is give them like your cell phone or
Speaker 1: your email, And I think that that is a worthwhile
Speaker 1: trade off for seven eleven kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: Part of kids, do you have like a special seven
Speaker 4: eleven email that.
Speaker 2: Hotmail dot com?
Speaker 1: Yeah aol, Yeah, but it's it's great if you, like me,
Speaker 1: give your kids treats that you grew up with as
Speaker 1: a child, that most millennial parents don't allow their children
Speaker 1: to have. Like, you know, blue slurpies.
Speaker 2: A Slurpees are so good, Jack kids have blue slurpies.
Speaker 2: Not yet.
Speaker 4: It's like looking back at what I was drinking at
Speaker 4: their age, Like I was on a like I had
Speaker 4: a strong preference in the pepsi versus coke debate at
Speaker 4: age seven. I was like, I'm a pepsi guy. Get
Speaker 4: this coke out of here. Yeah, Like, my kids have
Speaker 4: never had a pepsi.
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 4: I'm sure they've never had a pepsid. Be fine, they've
Speaker 4: never had like a caffeinated beverage.
Speaker 1: Okay, but I need to float an idea here. Guys,
Speaker 1: Look how young we all look.
Speaker 2: J Free Yeah, but Jack was drinking all that shit though.
Speaker 1: I know I'm saying.
Speaker 2: This is what I said that yeah, right right right?
Speaker 1: We look great. And that is what I decided. After
Speaker 1: that discourse came up. Why do millennials look so good?
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, my kids are getting mac
Speaker 1: and cheese and hot dogs. My kids are getting blue slurpies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just like I'm giving all of this to them
Speaker 1: because you still look great, So why not.
Speaker 3: Certainly it's not genetics at all, it's it's your mac.
Speaker 1: And but our parents, I mean, our parents age like
Speaker 1: normal people, and we are not aging like normal people.
Speaker 1: I'm just floating.
Speaker 3: Well, I think we also don't have like we didn't
Speaker 3: have like like our parents. We didn't have like parents
Speaker 3: for like PTSD and didn't know what it was, so
Speaker 3: just like fucking freaked out on them all the time.
Speaker 2: And then we got like cigarette small we got like
Speaker 2: the lesser version of that.
Speaker 3: And then also we didn't have to like man like
Speaker 3: just when I think about like this ship, my parents
Speaker 3: said they used to do it as like kids for work,
Speaker 3: and I'm like what my grandpa was like, I had
Speaker 3: to steal I had to steal coal from the coal
Speaker 3: yard in Chicago to keep the house clean.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, he's like eleven, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, oh god, damn, yeah, no, wonder my ass was
Speaker 3: playing Donkey Kong Country and shit. Not that Cortisol was
Speaker 3: not building up at that age, I'll say that, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And they were all smoking, they were all drinking,
Speaker 4: like everybody was.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Just like looking back at like articles from the eighties
Speaker 4: where people are like new controversial law past says people
Speaker 4: can't drink and drive, and then they like interview people
Speaker 4: who are like, yeah, right, I'd like to see them
Speaker 4: take this beer out of my hand, like as they
Speaker 4: drive away and I pick up drive into a light pole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta go.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: The reporting coming out the like secondhand smoke is a thing.
Speaker 4: They're like, come on, I'm not smoking, but how could
Speaker 4: it possibly.
Speaker 3: My fondest memories are being with my mom in Japan
Speaker 3: as like because you know, she didn't have a babysit
Speaker 3: or something, so I'll go with her like a work dinner,
Speaker 3: but it was late, so I would fall asleep like
Speaker 3: on her lap and just all the cigarettes smoke above
Speaker 3: me from all the people's smoke cigarettes at the data
Speaker 3: like and I was just like, ah, the familiar scent
Speaker 3: of mother and secrets.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my grandma would come through. She there was there
Speaker 4: was not an option of like making her smoke outside,
Speaker 4: so we just had like some fan thing that was
Speaker 4: in our house, but oftentimes not in the same room
Speaker 4: as her, as she was just ripping through a pack
Speaker 4: of debt right.
Speaker 2: Right, right, Yeah, it was fine.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, this is the one where they go when
Speaker 3: they're talking about the people drinking and driving want a cane.
Speaker 5: I put in a hard day's work, put in eleven
Speaker 5: twelve hours a day, and they ain't getting a truck
Speaker 5: and the lace right one or two beers.
Speaker 3: They're making laws where you can't drink when you want to,
Speaker 3: can't you have to wear a seat belt when you drive.
Speaker 1: Presume we're gonna be calm this country. That was the
Speaker 1: argument against seat belts, like New York and California forcing
Speaker 1: people to wear seatbelts. Reach in your car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the communist man, who tell me the communist country man,
Speaker 2: make you buckle up? Think about what that did to us.
Speaker 4: Think about what that did to our brains and to
Speaker 4: our spirits to have to be caged in by seat
Speaker 4: belts every time we drive in a car, as opposed to.
Speaker 2: By getting an accident.
Speaker 1: I want to be thrown clear.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Can you be able to surf on top of the
Speaker 4: car when you were driving on the highway?
Speaker 3: It's like the rapture, like I'm sending into heaven from
Speaker 3: the accident because my body's long.
Speaker 2: Boom, there he goes. You've got the armor of God
Speaker 2: on saved boom.
Speaker 4: I still haven't gotten a good answer to this, and
Speaker 4: maybe we can ask Torri, but like, what how much
Speaker 4: does being indoors prevent you from being physically raptured? Because
Speaker 4: like all of the videos I saw people people's forms
Speaker 4: were being like lifted up into the sky, Like are
Speaker 4: our windows.
Speaker 2: Breaking as people are being raptured?
Speaker 4: Are they getting like smashed against the ceiling? Are they
Speaker 4: getting chopped up by a fat drip?
Speaker 1: There's there's dueling theories or I guess dueling theologies you
Speaker 1: might say about whether you get raptured like bodily, like
Speaker 1: your body gets physically taken up into the diskind I
Speaker 1: think what I mean, Like we we believed that like yeah,
Speaker 1: your whole body would just ascend, but you get zoips right.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like you had to go through the airplane ceiling. No, no,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. In the Bible, this was just like what
Speaker 1: we sounds biblical.
Speaker 4: The Bible calls it, yeah, off into the sky.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So some people thought like your whole body went. Some
Speaker 1: people thought your clothes got left. That was that became
Speaker 1: very popular.
Speaker 2: No sex, so and.
Speaker 4: Rules the terminator time travel can't only naked forms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh huh, Yeah, I mean clothes can't time travel.
Speaker 1: I think that's just established fact. Peter c All said,
Speaker 1: so and so, yeah, if you.
Speaker 4: Got rapture where you were pooping, what if you got
Speaker 4: rapture while you were having sex, Like that.
Speaker 2: Was just thought.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't if you were having sex you missed the boat.
Speaker 4: Well you pro created sex with a with a.
Speaker 1: Human, opposite sex, opposite gender partner.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm just saying it could be awkward to
Speaker 4: have your naked form appear.
Speaker 1: But in heaven your bar you're like, you got Barbie parts.
Speaker 1: That is biblical, that's in scripture.
Speaker 2: You will oh real, Yeah that was I don't need
Speaker 2: to leave all that yeah.
Speaker 1: Heaven, No, absolutely not. Jesus said this very clearly.
Speaker 2: This is fucked up. What did Jesus say? He's like, bro,
Speaker 2: you ain't gonna scrub one out up here.
Speaker 1: There they were arguing over some people were arguing with
Speaker 1: Jesus over like okay, if you get married and then
Speaker 1: your wife dies, and then you get remarried and then
Speaker 1: you go to heaven, who are you married to? That
Speaker 1: was like the trick question that they tried to get
Speaker 1: Jesus with.
Speaker 2: And he was like.
Speaker 1: That he's getting married.
Speaker 3: That is leadership when they go, well, what about thinking
Speaker 3: you got Jesus tripped up and goes, how about this asshole?
Speaker 2: You got no dick? Next question got him and he
Speaker 2: goes and high fives all the do you cook? You
Speaker 2: were cooking, Jesus, you were cooking, bro? What is something
Speaker 2: you think is overrated?
Speaker 1: Oh man, Portland being a hot bought, a hot bed
Speaker 1: of Antifa activity, highly overrated. Our exploits are just really
Speaker 1: popping off, and I just you know, we're here, we're
Speaker 1: doing our best, but most of us are at work.
Speaker 1: Guys like you don't need to invade. Most of us
Speaker 1: are taxpayers, honestly, unfortunately for everyone.
Speaker 2: And that's why there's.
Speaker 1: Only like the one frog guy down at the ice headquarters. Like,
Speaker 1: that's why it's only that one dude down there by himself.
Speaker 2: Wasn't the stitch costume too? I think I saw someone
Speaker 2: in a stitch costume also.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe so maybe Chicago Unicorn Chicken. The frog
Speaker 1: guy has like magic powers. He's like pumping the Ice officers.
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, that's like a pumping in front of them,
Speaker 1: and they're not they're really not there for it. And
Speaker 1: it's great anyway. Yeah, but in terms of like our
Speaker 1: our our violence, I would say that Portland violence is overrated,
Speaker 1: just as.
Speaker 2: A general.
Speaker 4: Here, it's just confirming. This is coming from somebody who
Speaker 4: lives in Portland, and I don't know. I'm just saying
Speaker 4: it sounds like somebody who might work in the HR
Speaker 4: department of Antifaye.
Speaker 1: I mean, I live in Portland.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about. I live in Portland. Ya.
Speaker 4: That's right, all right, Well we're going to take a
Speaker 4: quick break.
Speaker 2: We're going to come back.
Speaker 4: We'll talk rapture, we'll talk Jesse Waters. We'll be right back,
Speaker 4: and we're back.
Speaker 3: We're back back.
Speaker 4: I do just want to say not that it's like
Speaker 4: holier than now because I so no blue slushies. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think we actually have done slushies. I do let
Speaker 4: them vape, but it's like they can't do any of
Speaker 4: the sweet.
Speaker 2: But they can't inhale. They can't. They can't do the
Speaker 2: sweet flavors.
Speaker 4: It's just pure tobacco flavors because so they you know,
Speaker 4: otherwise they might get addicted.
Speaker 1: To make a quiet taste.
Speaker 2: That's right, Tory. Any any update on the rapture.
Speaker 4: I know we've we've been waiting breathlessly on the edge
Speaker 4: of our seats to see if there would be some
Speaker 4: sort of massive event that would make humanity on earth
Speaker 4: like forty percent cooler. Yeah, with the with the departure
Speaker 4: of all Christians rapturable Christians, yes, yeah, rapture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, eligible Christians because there's an asterix.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: How's the how's the on again, off again rapture experience
Speaker 4: been for you?
Speaker 1: You know, I am not someone who has rapture anxiety,
Speaker 1: but I did as a child for sure.
Speaker 2: Like, you know, I saw you post.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I think most people may or may
Speaker 3: not know you have an evangelical background. But when I
Speaker 3: saw the other day you post something about your mom
Speaker 3: and the rapture, I was like, I'm going to bring this.
Speaker 2: Went Tories on the show again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So there was a rapture warning in May
Speaker 1: of twenty.
Speaker 2: Eleven and some guy warning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some guy was like, I got the date. I
Speaker 1: did the calculations, here's the math. May I think it
Speaker 1: was the eleventh or twelfth of twenty eleven. And you know,
Speaker 1: my parents are big rapture fans, big rapture watchers. They
Speaker 1: when I was a child owned a book called eighty
Speaker 1: nine reasons Jesus is coming back in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1: You can look it up on eBay.
Speaker 4: Damn, there's a call in their show. Oh yes, that
Speaker 4: is such a bad idea of religion. Yeah, like Frinch,
Speaker 4: just a brief Like I am not I do not
Speaker 4: study religious history, but the one thing I know is
Speaker 4: like when you're starting a branch of religion, that's the
Speaker 4: one surefire away to have people just like give your
Speaker 4: shit a stamped on expiration date.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So that's how I was raised, right, was with
Speaker 1: Rapture Watch pretty much all the time. Jesus could come
Speaker 1: back at any time. I was told, for very clearly
Speaker 1: in retrospect antisemitic reasons, Jesus is going to come back
Speaker 1: during a Jewish holiday because Jesus is Jewish and he
Speaker 1: just wanted to make it all about him. Apparently he's
Speaker 1: also a big dick, and so yeah, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of chatter about that. And then twenty eleven you know,
Speaker 1: rolled around, and I you know, at that point, thankfully,
Speaker 1: was a lot more skeptical. And there were billboards. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember this, but like Portland and
Speaker 1: Seattle at least had billboards that were like, the raptures
Speaker 1: happening May twenty eleven. Give your life to Jesus or
Speaker 1: you'll get left behind, you'll burn in hell forever. And
Speaker 1: so my mom decided to in the group chat with
Speaker 1: all of us kids. She was like, hey, so the
Speaker 1: rapture's happening tomorrow. Here's my bank account and mortgage information.
Speaker 1: See you never Apparently she knew was hopeless and we
Speaker 1: were not going to make it. We weren't going to
Speaker 1: We weren't. And again, I think most of us identified
Speaker 1: as Christians at this point, so it was like it
Speaker 1: was like the asterisks, like the got to read the
Speaker 1: fine print of like, you know, the Catholics are not
Speaker 1: going to happen, Like let's just be real clear about that, right,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no Catholics, no Mormons.
Speaker 3: That's that's what really struck me about like a lot
Speaker 3: about when I was kind of reading your posts about it, right,
Speaker 3: because like the funny like I went to Lutheran K
Speaker 3: through eight and Catholic high school, and like we didn't
Speaker 3: Lutherans weren't talk about you know, revelations and some shit
Speaker 3: they're into.
Speaker 2: But when I got to Catholic high school, then I
Speaker 2: heard it and I was like, the fugger you'll talk like.
Speaker 2: That's when I was like, sir, what uh?
Speaker 3: And like the version that I feel like we for
Speaker 3: people who are sort of outside of Christianity like that
Speaker 3: is like this very goofy thing, like we've played this
Speaker 3: video before, and I'll play it for you since you're here,
Speaker 3: tory of just like stuff like this depiction of the Rapture.
Speaker 2: It's like, boom, hold on, bro, don't scroll, this is
Speaker 2: the Rapture. How it's.
Speaker 4: Like we just to describe to people who weren't listening
Speaker 4: last time. Yeah, it's it's like sim level. It's like
Speaker 4: the the very.
Speaker 2: First version of Grand Theft Auto.
Speaker 4: You know that level of character animation, guy walking down
Speaker 4: the street and then he's just narrating like all these
Speaker 4: things that are happening in their video game reality, acting
Speaker 4: as if he's narrating something.
Speaker 2: Like a news event. Yes, like this is newsreel.
Speaker 3: But again, this is the version I think is really
Speaker 3: funny that we always like laughing at because the version
Speaker 3: is like these people just get sucked.
Speaker 2: Off trumble sound. Guys, there's a light, there's Jesus.
Speaker 3: Boom, Jesus Jesus returned, Boom, boom look at that the
Speaker 3: closer gone.
Speaker 2: Wow y'all, wow, y'all the souls dead, baby, look at
Speaker 2: this boom gone, boom gone.
Speaker 3: You know, like in reading your post you talk about
Speaker 3: sort of like the deeply violent version of how like
Speaker 3: a lot of real believers look at the rapture like
Speaker 3: whereas me from the outside and being familiar enough for Christianity,
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, you go to heaven.
Speaker 2: But they're like, oh no, not just that. The others
Speaker 2: fucking suffer and dah and that's what I'm also here for.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah behind, Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you get yeah, if you get left behind. The
Speaker 1: theology kind of varies a little bit, but yeah, you
Speaker 1: will suffer. And there's a point, uh, well, you'll suffer
Speaker 1: because God decides to pour out all of his wrath
Speaker 1: on the earth. So he's like he's like I haven't
Speaker 1: been here for a minute. I'm taking all my shit
Speaker 1: out on you guys.
Speaker 2: Since then we were told nine eleven was because gay Mary.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, no, that's what it was, right, But like
Speaker 1: that's just like little you know, it's like little tremors
Speaker 1: before like the real big one hits, right, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: like all kinds of like diseases, plagues, famine, all sorts
Speaker 1: of shit going down. And this is for everybody who
Speaker 1: gets left on the earth after all of the people
Speaker 1: get like yeated into heaven. Who deserve the deserving people,
Speaker 1: So you know, like Donald Trump, those types, and so.
Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk, I've just been hearing about this heaven stuff,
Speaker 4: and I think it's very important, very good he's obsessed
Speaker 4: with because there's no reason to be good, they say, Really,
Speaker 4: that's the only reason to not be bad is because
Speaker 4: important reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, and so anyway, yeah, everyone's just going to
Speaker 1: be like having a real bad time, and then it's
Speaker 1: gonna get even worse, so that like you can't you
Speaker 1: won't be able to die even though you're suffering. So
Speaker 1: people will be trying to end their own lives because
Speaker 1: they're suffering so much of all the plagues and the
Speaker 1: famine and the war and the demon, the horse headed
Speaker 1: demon locusts and like you know what and everything else,
Speaker 1: and then people are going to try to like take
Speaker 1: their own lives and they won't be able to. So
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be like zombie land. I guess people
Speaker 1: are just like real fucked up just.
Speaker 2: Wandering around it sounds like being a vampire. It's like, wait,
Speaker 2: I'm invincible.
Speaker 1: It's super well, except you experience a lot of pain.
Speaker 2: You're still so I don't know, that's a relative term.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 2: Like I'm like the one guy. They're like, aren't you something?
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, it's cool.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: I grew up in the specifically grafted over Miles's kinky single,
Speaker 4: one of these things just playing directly into Miles's pain
Speaker 4: and invincibility kink shit I did. My one question is
Speaker 4: what is the mood like after May like June twenty eleven,
Speaker 4: the next time you see your mom, Like, what what
Speaker 4: is her mood?
Speaker 2: Like? What?
Speaker 4: What are what can we expect from our fellows? The
Speaker 4: boom guy like what how's he feeling?
Speaker 3: To go?
Speaker 4: Now the rapture has not happened, do they just move
Speaker 4: on to the next one?
Speaker 3: This?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, I love this question honestly, And it's really interesting
Speaker 1: because the failed rapture predictions like tend to make people
Speaker 1: believe it more.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: It's sort of like how if you're wearing your lucky
Speaker 1: socks and the Cubs lose again, you're gonna be more
Speaker 1: likely to wear your lucky socks next time, right than
Speaker 1: to go, oh, this didn't help, they weren't dirty enough.
Speaker 2: Just wear them longer and without washing them next time.
Speaker 1: So they're really like not affected by it. But again,
Speaker 1: I think that we're talking about a group of people,
Speaker 1: especially for like Christian nationalist types that like shame doesn't
Speaker 1: really factor in for them in a weird way, right,
Speaker 1: you don't really make them feel shame.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's I.
Speaker 4: Mean, it factors in, Like I wonder, I feel like
Speaker 4: there's Yeah, the what they're giving the rest of us
Speaker 4: is going to be like I don't care, you know,
Speaker 4: like j try and break them the ray Ja clip
Speaker 4: where you try and break them speed okay, breaks them,
Speaker 4: I don't care, I don't care. Like they they immediately
Speaker 4: like switch to that. But like there has to be
Speaker 4: something underneath where it because it does seem like the
Speaker 4: shame is a currency that operates in that belief system, right. So,
Speaker 4: but I guess is like never feeling shame about what
Speaker 4: you believe or that you believe, right, like that's the
Speaker 4: one thing that you have.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it puts them further into the fold, right,
Speaker 1: it makes them circle the wagons harder, you know, So
Speaker 1: they're I mean, if they're feeling shame, they're more likely
Speaker 1: to cut off people who they who don't think the
Speaker 1: rapture is going to happen than they are to stop
Speaker 1: believing that the rapture is going to happen.
Speaker 2: Sure, and so it is.
Speaker 1: It is really weird and it becomes it's not like
Speaker 1: a self fulfilling prophecy, but it becomes this weird dynamic
Speaker 1: of like them. And you can read about this going
Speaker 1: back to the eighteen hundreds, that people would predict the rapture.
Speaker 1: Everybody would gather on the hill top yep, yep, and
Speaker 1: then it was like, okay, nothing happened, and then like
Speaker 1: entire churches and movements were born this way because of
Speaker 1: a failed prediction.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when guy predicted and like you know, predicted a
Speaker 4: rapture that didn't happen, And one hundred and fifty years
Speaker 4: later we have the Branch Davidians.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that was where we go.
Speaker 1: Literally, that's what happened.
Speaker 4: So not great, not great, great, I think we'll be fine, Okay, boom.
Speaker 1: Everyone would be happier if the evangelicals again got sucked
Speaker 1: off into heaven, everyone would be happier. They don't want
Speaker 1: to be here.
Speaker 3: It sounds we don't want to sound boom boom gone
Speaker 3: genitals speaking of Christian nationalists and getting sucked off.
Speaker 4: Jesse Waters is either fucking Stephen Miller's wife or wants
Speaker 4: to fuck Stephen Miller, or I don't know, there's something
Speaker 4: something is going on here.
Speaker 2: I can't tell.
Speaker 4: Like it seems like he is either genuinely attracted to
Speaker 4: Stephen Miller or like he's mocking I really think.
Speaker 3: Like or putting him down to make him look better
Speaker 3: to Katie Miller, his wife. Because again we were talking
Speaker 3: about this maybe yesterday the day before. Just the timeline
Speaker 3: of how Jesse Waters has been talking about Stephen Miller. Right,
Speaker 3: there's the first one was a sexual matador quote that
Speaker 3: was about two weeks ago when he had Katie Miller,
Speaker 3: Steven Miller's wife on. And again this can be seen
Speaker 3: as like a joke, but just listen, this is Stephen
Speaker 3: Miller or this Stephen Miller's wife on Jesse Waters show.
Speaker 6: You are married to Stephen Miller, so you are the
Speaker 6: envy of all women?
Speaker 3: What is that like?
Speaker 1: A sexual matador?
Speaker 6: Right? What is it like being married to such a
Speaker 6: sexual matador?
Speaker 4: Now again, I think he had so I think he
Speaker 4: had called him a sexual matador before on his show
Speaker 4: or something like jokingly. So she's she's repeating, she's repeating it, okay,
Speaker 4: but like it's not a thing I would love my
Speaker 4: wife to be Like doing on National TV is like
Speaker 4: mocking somebody who like mocks how and a grant. I
Speaker 4: have the sexual charisma of an eighties TV sitcom dad,
Speaker 4: So I'm not like, I'm not like, you better say
Speaker 4: that I'm cool.
Speaker 2: But they didn't call him Alan Thick for no reason. Yeah,
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 4: But it just feels like there there's a real energy
Speaker 4: between these two and then.
Speaker 3: Just still laugh even though like, right, there's one version
Speaker 3: that if you're reading this like a salacious soap opera,
Speaker 3: it's that they laugh about Stephen Miller as they are canoodling, right.
Speaker 3: But then there's a version where he's just like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, like the way he laughs when she's like
Speaker 3: the sexual matador, right, and he goes like ha ha, Well,
Speaker 3: I'm like, is it because you don't like, what's the
Speaker 3: point of this?
Speaker 2: Anyway?
Speaker 3: He was back at this like weird, uh, Stephen Miller's
Speaker 3: two sexy for this earth sort of bit that he's
Speaker 3: been doing on the comic's like right said for it
Speaker 3: a little bit, yeah, a little bit if he was
Speaker 3: in the best on his best day and like in
Speaker 3: you know, if he was the most yeah, preserved in
Speaker 3: formaldehyde for twenty eight years.
Speaker 2: Maybe.
Speaker 3: So Tuesday night, Waters is on the five and he
Speaker 3: talks about like they bring that bring up that clip
Speaker 3: where AOC was talking about Steven Miller and how he's
Speaker 3: like short and blah blah blah, and how Steven Moller
Speaker 3: was like, oh, that's just a trained ruck, right, But
Speaker 3: I just want to play like Steven Miller or Jesse
Speaker 3: Water's not this whole thing. Doesn't let go of this
Speaker 3: thing that Steven Miller's so hot, and this is I
Speaker 3: just want to I'm just having such trouble wrapping my
Speaker 3: head around like what what's subconsciously going on or just
Speaker 3: in his overt consciousness. But here he is talking about
Speaker 3: AOC and what she doesn't get about Steven Miller.
Speaker 1: Sulted by AOC.
Speaker 6: No, I think I wants to sleep with Miller. It
Speaker 6: is so obvious, and I'm sorry you can't have him over.
Speaker 6: Miller is the best I know him well socially, and
Speaker 6: the man is not overcompensating, Dana. I know when people
Speaker 6: are overcompensating. I know people at this table who are overcompensating.
Speaker 5: That person is me.
Speaker 2: Ha ha ha ha. Okay, So he goes on. He
Speaker 2: starts talking about like this guy is.
Speaker 3: He's like, he's like, here's a deal. He's like, which,
Speaker 3: you got to understand something. Let me man explain something
Speaker 3: to you. AOC about Steven Miller, and he lays out
Speaker 3: his case even further as to why he's so hot
Speaker 3: the United States.
Speaker 2: This is what AOC doesn't get about men.
Speaker 6: Miller is a high value man because he has power
Speaker 6: and influence, because he has vision, and he's on a
Speaker 6: mission to save this republic and protect Western civilization.
Speaker 2: Uh. He speaks with confidence.
Speaker 3: He's saying that like with the verve of like a
Speaker 3: true white nationalist, you know what I mean. He's like,
Speaker 3: he's mission orient he's trying to save Western civilization.
Speaker 4: He's also saying it with a straight face on Fox
Speaker 4: News as people are audibly like belly laughing in the
Speaker 4: background with.
Speaker 1: The side by side of Stephen Miller, who is just
Speaker 1: subjectively not hot.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: He actually makes this is weird because it's like it's
Speaker 1: making Jesse Waters look way better than he normally does
Speaker 1: because you've got Steven Miller's face next to him. And
Speaker 1: Steven Miller is a scary looking dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like transparently so. And like the fact that the
Speaker 4: Fox and News hosts are like laughing at him, being
Speaker 4: like he's a high value male, he's super he speaks
Speaker 4: with confidence.
Speaker 3: No, he does not, Yeah, and like so they think
Speaker 3: he's like, come on, man, Stephen Miller sucks, Like, like
Speaker 3: what's the laughter cover? Is it coming from the discomfort
Speaker 3: that he's talking about how attractive a man is?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Again, he continues, men.
Speaker 6: Who are high value men like Steven Miller take risks.
Speaker 6: They're brave, they're unafraid, they're camp and they're on a mission,
Speaker 6: and they have younger wives with beautiful children. I think
Speaker 6: I just gave him like a dating recommendation.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, that was pretty creepy. He lost
Speaker 2: gutfeld there. I don't know, man, that was pretty creepy.
Speaker 2: And they did not like that man afterwards, like they're like,
Speaker 2: all right, enough, Jesse.
Speaker 3: Then they asked, you know, the liberal Jessica tarlav like
Speaker 3: for her take on everything that's going on, and then
Speaker 3: Jesse Waters interrupts again to just bring up this thing
Speaker 3: about Steve Like everyone's like, okay, fine, your dumb bit
Speaker 3: about how hot Stephen Miller is like is over, but
Speaker 3: he comes back around to it.
Speaker 2: If you can't.
Speaker 6: Set the sexual chemistry it's losing from Steven Miller's beautiful face, then.
Speaker 1: You don't get it loosing from you about Stephen Miller.
Speaker 4: I think that that's where when he says his beautiful face, like,
Speaker 4: that's where it makes it clear to me that he
Speaker 4: is trying. He is doing a weird like cooking thing
Speaker 4: to Steven Miller that but like he can't get in
Speaker 4: trouble because he's saying it with as straight a face
Speaker 4: as he possibly can.
Speaker 2: But like, okay, if you if.
Speaker 4: You want to be like he's the leader of our
Speaker 4: party and like that makes him attractive, Like fine, but
Speaker 4: if you're saying that he his face objectively is objectively
Speaker 4: oozing sexual charisma, you like that is like no nobody
Speaker 4: is standing behind that with without like at least a
Speaker 4: heaping teaspoon of a fuck.
Speaker 3: Then so then you're just taking open shots, Like what's
Speaker 3: the point of this, Like if that's the if that's
Speaker 3: driving the irony of a statement like that, it's like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm saying that because clearly he's hideous.
Speaker 2: Right ha ha. Yeah. I have a theory though.
Speaker 1: This is so interesting because you all remember when like
Speaker 1: Elon was shown up in the White House with the
Speaker 1: black eye and everyone was like, oh, it's because he's
Speaker 1: fucking Stephen Miller's wife, right, right right, which was a
Speaker 1: great I really like that rumor. Person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it too.
Speaker 1: I think that it makes a lot of sense to
Speaker 1: me that that Stephen Miller and his wife would be
Speaker 1: open because he is a hideous demon, and you know,
Speaker 1: she's conventionally attractive. I think she's also not that young.
Speaker 1: I think she's like, what thirty six or something. So
Speaker 1: I don't know what I don't know what he was.
Speaker 1: I don't know what Jesse was going on about.
Speaker 4: I think he was to her that like, you're young,
Speaker 4: you're beautiful, you have beautiful children.
Speaker 1: But this is so it is kind of a weird,
Speaker 1: a weird cuck dynamic though, for sure. And I think
Speaker 1: that like maybe there was a trade off if you
Speaker 1: can sleep with my wife, if you tell them how
Speaker 1: powerful and sexy are attractive and compelling I am as
Speaker 1: a human being, right like, and that was like a
Speaker 1: fair trade, Like I could see that being a fair.
Speaker 2: Trade to Stephen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I mean that announces in the context of
Speaker 4: we saw Jesse Waters talking to Steven Miller's wife on
Speaker 4: his show and she referenced him calling him a sexual
Speaker 4: matador and they both burst into laughter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's some cookshit.
Speaker 1: Also, I would just like to say, this is not
Speaker 1: appropriate for children, So like, why is Fox News sexualizing
Speaker 1: children by.
Speaker 2: Talking about this? Thank you?
Speaker 1: They should be taken off the air because they're sexualizing children.
Speaker 3: So we don't have to we're not we don't have
Speaker 3: we're not abiding to any kind of FCC regulations, so
Speaker 3: we can say whatever we want, including just outright lies
Speaker 3: in this information. Anyway, he's a sexual matador and he's
Speaker 3: the hottest human being in your sexual.
Speaker 2: Chrisma oozing from his face. There's something oozing from that's mayonnaise. Mayonnaise.
Speaker 3: Okay, he hasn't wit and it's just he went coming
Speaker 3: out of all he went Winnie the Pooh on the
Speaker 3: fucking jar of mayonnaise.
Speaker 2: Okay, put his whole head in there, it would fit.
Speaker 4: He has a great head. Forget sticking it inside a
Speaker 4: jar of man mayonnaise stars. Yeah, yeah, it's like the
Speaker 4: perfect shape. Yeah, that's a great point. Quick, we'll come
Speaker 4: back and we'll talk about how the right is winning
Speaker 4: the culture wars. We'll be right back, and we're back.
Speaker 4: We're back, and we've all heard go woke, Go broke,
Speaker 4: the tired culture war rallying cry used to explain movies
Speaker 4: like The Marvels Late Year and the twenty sixteen Ghostbusters reboot.
Speaker 4: As you know, they were box office bombs because they
Speaker 4: tried to go woke. So somebody from Guinness World Records,
Speaker 4: Steven Follows, did a film data analysis where he, you know,
Speaker 4: put all the box office performance of I think ten
Speaker 4: thousand films into an algorithm to see if it's true
Speaker 4: that like diverse casting and identity driven stories harm the
Speaker 4: box office performance of a movie. And what they found,
Speaker 4: absolutely no surprise, is it doesn't harm it. What they
Speaker 4: found and said is that it can have a substantially
Speaker 4: positive effect on commercial success.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 4: No, by showing by changing from the practice that was
Speaker 4: common in years in Hollywood, for showing only movies starring
Speaker 4: like twenty five percent of the population of white men,
Speaker 4: like that that fixing that is unpopular.
Speaker 2: That's so wild, hmm.
Speaker 4: But I mean, like just we have talked about like
Speaker 4: the Fast and the Furious franchise be like an action
Speaker 4: franchise with a diverse cast for once, holy shit, and
Speaker 4: it becomes this like world beating box office phenomenon. But
Speaker 4: like that doesn't get classified as a movie that is
Speaker 4: like capitalizing on diverse.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 4: The only time that it ever gets attached to that
Speaker 4: is if they are you know, if it's an unsuccessful movie,
Speaker 4: they start from there, and then they well, they don't
Speaker 4: start from there. First, they'll be like this was woke,
Speaker 4: this bull shit, Like there'll be like a simmering thing,
Speaker 4: and then if the movie doesn't do well, then it
Speaker 4: will get attached to being a thing. But it's it's
Speaker 4: their favorite logical fallacy, like western colonial media, is the
Speaker 4: sampling error, where you just find one example of the
Speaker 4: thing that you want to be true and then just
Speaker 4: like scream about that example and like claim that it
Speaker 4: like proves some sort of law how everything operates.
Speaker 3: It's just a mantra to sort of soothe themselves that
Speaker 3: they're so on the outside of like mainstream culture.
Speaker 2: That it's like, well, yeah, they went broke, so they
Speaker 2: go woke.
Speaker 3: So they're broke, and it's like, yeah, because you did
Speaker 3: such a great job with Kuig that went completely down
Speaker 3: the drain and Volvo and fucking Nike and all these
Speaker 3: places where I think it it's it helps soothe their
Speaker 3: sort of imaginations that to be like, well, we don't
Speaker 3: like that, and now they're going to be suffering as
Speaker 3: a business. But if I do any actual financial analysis,
Speaker 3: I will find that maybe that's action.
Speaker 2: That's not the case.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's been multiple studies. There's a twenty twenty four
Speaker 4: study that also found that it's also not a thing.
Speaker 4: In advertising, like you're saying the curing thing and the
Speaker 4: bud Light controversy, like actually, more inclusive campaigns have a
Speaker 4: positive impact on profit sales and brand worth, like transparent.
Speaker 2: Do you believe it? What are you doing? Do you
Speaker 2: believe it?
Speaker 1: I think that, well, okay, so this has really interesting.
Speaker 1: I think that's something you know, like the Fast and
Speaker 1: Furious franchise has got a lot of like traditionally like
Speaker 1: masculine characters, so I think that they wouldn't go after
Speaker 1: that as much because they're still cool with that with
Speaker 1: like masculinity kind of bordering on toxicity if that's like
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that those characters are inherently toxically masculine,
Speaker 1: but like some of them are.
Speaker 4: Right if you go, yeah, you say more than three
Speaker 4: words in a sentence, are actually effeminate, Like you man,
Speaker 4: you just have to like speak in one to.
Speaker 1: And grab boots.
Speaker 2: Escapes your mouth as your body decomposes totally.
Speaker 1: So they pick very specific things I think, to go
Speaker 1: after with the go go broke because it doesn't always work,
Speaker 1: but then I mean I think that it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is also worth noticing, like the movies that they
Speaker 1: just completely ignore.
Speaker 4: And that you know.
Speaker 1: That do really that do really well right, Like like
Speaker 1: like Black Panther, for example, was not they can't use
Speaker 1: that as like a go wo go broke, and it
Speaker 1: made a billion dollars. Like I don't know what to
Speaker 1: tell you, you know, I think like a black cast
Speaker 1: and a like black director producer, and like, yeah, so
Speaker 1: they really pick very specific things to go after with
Speaker 1: this line, and I think that that's worth paying attention
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 3: I think it's also just a way to weaponize inclusion,
Speaker 3: like as a way to sort of immediately disregard what happened,
Speaker 3: Like so like you see this a lot like if
Speaker 3: a film has like it's like fronted by women or
Speaker 3: women of color, people of color, the immediate thing is like, well,
Speaker 3: how women of color as the stars' that's what went wrong?
Speaker 3: As a way to again sort of punish the mere
Speaker 3: concept of representing these people on the screen, but again
Speaker 3: no talk of the actual decision makers who put who
Speaker 3: make the film, who financed the film, who do the marketing, who,
Speaker 3: for all intents and purposes, are the ones who are
Speaker 3: kind of behind the success or failure of a film,
Speaker 3: not merely just like, well, this person of color was
Speaker 3: in it and that's what happened, rather than all the
Speaker 3: other people or the other stakeholders who who's who would
Speaker 3: actually be held responsible If you're like thinking of like
Speaker 3: how a studio would look at it, They're not gonna
Speaker 3: be like, well it's not this actor, Like what the
Speaker 3: fuck was that?
Speaker 2: Producers? We just gave all that money to to make
Speaker 2: this shit? The what are you thinking here?
Speaker 3: But again I think it's like a real reflexive way
Speaker 3: too that subtly helps sort of try and discourage the
Speaker 3: inclusion of like diverse people, whether they're in front or
Speaker 3: behind the camera, because like this with Snow White, it
Speaker 3: was just like, oh, Rachel Zegler, Yeah, it's like she
Speaker 3: didn't write the movie. There's so many other people you
Speaker 3: can blame for that movie being wrong, And I think
Speaker 3: it's just a very easy way to then be like,
Speaker 3: not only did they go broke, but we can also
Speaker 3: try and chill the sort of enthusiasm to represent other
Speaker 3: kinds of people on scream.
Speaker 2: It's always just that's the explanation.
Speaker 1: But this is exactly what we were talking about with
Speaker 1: the Rapture, right where if they make this claim go
Speaker 1: broke and the movie still does well, they're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: we don't care.
Speaker 4: Yeah, nobody pays attention to a movie that does well.
Speaker 4: There's no subsequent story being like that's why that movie
Speaker 4: did well. It's well, that movie was special, you know,
Speaker 4: it was like telling a special story.
Speaker 1: Right Exactly. These are unique circumstances, Like.
Speaker 2: Most movies are flocked. The vast majority of movies.
Speaker 4: It's like that you have like ten hit movies a
Speaker 4: year that pay for hundreds of movies that tank, So
Speaker 4: there's no shortage of movies that they can point to
Speaker 4: and be like this sucked, like this was bad and
Speaker 4: here's why. But like, you know, they found that it
Speaker 4: was like horror, sports, and music films in particular, like
Speaker 4: diverse casting and identity driven stories can have a substantially
Speaker 4: positive effect on commercial success. Those are also films that
Speaker 4: are seen by younger audiences. So again, it's just like
Speaker 4: old people in Hollywood being like, I don't know about
Speaker 4: this stuff, and you know, just going with trends, begrudgingly
Speaker 4: fucking healed drag marks trailing behind the movies that they
Speaker 4: green light because they are looking at the trends and
Speaker 4: seeing that like telling more diverse stories will reach more people.
Speaker 4: And then there's also yeah, to your point, Tori, like
Speaker 4: the the how we metabolize movies that do well and
Speaker 4: don't do well, Like we talked earlier this year about Sinners,
Speaker 4: which is like one of the most surprising out of
Speaker 4: nowhere to according to you, just like red Film and
Speaker 4: like the riot industry media going in everyone was like this,
Speaker 4: this is a real risk that's not going to pay off.
Speaker 4: It was like the biggest hit of the year when
Speaker 4: it came out, like it was a massive hit, and
Speaker 4: like the first week after it came out and was
Speaker 4: a massive hit. The way that they chose to write
Speaker 4: about it was like still not out of the woods
Speaker 4: on that one, because I have to wait and see
Speaker 4: even though it's made its budget back already. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: then like it just kept the audience just like kept
Speaker 4: growing like week over week.
Speaker 2: It was like wild.
Speaker 4: So they they don't acknowledge the winds when there's a
Speaker 4: win for like maybe we don't just let white men
Speaker 4: tell these stories when there is a movie that does
Speaker 4: badly that is, you know, like the Ghostbusters reboot movie
Speaker 4: is like, you know, being told by a white guy,
Speaker 4: and it is like sort of I don't know, first
Speaker 4: of all, I don't think it's like that bad of
Speaker 4: a movie, but like the way it was message was
Speaker 4: like probably could have been handled better, but it's not
Speaker 4: like it was handled by Melissa McCarthy like that. She
Speaker 4: was like and I came up with a marketing campaign
Speaker 4: for this. You know, it's and so like you have
Speaker 4: sometimes it feels cynical and people respond negatively to that,
Speaker 4: but that's the only thing that like breaks through. And
Speaker 4: it's very frustrating that there's like there's a rule in
Speaker 4: advertising and film this idea of like go woke, go broke,
Speaker 4: which by the way comes from a science fiction author
Speaker 4: named John Ringo. Great name came up during a milo
Speaker 4: Yanopolis on his website, but his theory, which had been
Speaker 4: applied to billion dollar film franchises by national news outlets,
Speaker 4: originated with again the author of there will be Dragons,
Speaker 4: and I just we have we have the cover of
Speaker 4: there will be Dragons in the Dock. It is a
Speaker 4: woman warrior in the like smallest bikini possible and a
Speaker 4: huge bow and arrow.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's a ceremonial garb of for people. Of course,
Speaker 2: I do a lot of world building in.
Speaker 3: My books, but and every female of this group does
Speaker 3: have at least, as I write in my book, double
Speaker 3: D breasts.
Speaker 2: That's an important detail for my listeners or my readers actually, But.
Speaker 4: It doesn't take much. It doesn't take much for like
Speaker 4: these ideas to get shoehorned in, like the you know,
Speaker 4: conservative ideas. They're they're just looking for. I mean, they
Speaker 4: have a whole media apparatus propped up by billionaires who
Speaker 4: are just waiting to for an idea like this that
Speaker 4: either you know, resonates with people or in this case,
Speaker 4: just rhymes, and that's good enough for them. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we're gonna We're gonna run with this one, guys.
Speaker 3: I mean it is the thing like you know that
Speaker 3: theory everyone's twelve now, it's like sort of like an
Speaker 3: apple a day keeps the doctor away.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, it makes sense to me. You go broke?
Speaker 2: Oh who said that?
Speaker 5: John Ringo, who also wrote this book, The Last Centurion,
Speaker 5: that has a subplot about a Hillary Clinton like president
Speaker 5: who screws up the vaccine rollout during a pandemic due
Speaker 5: to her belief in socialized medicine.
Speaker 4: It was prescient, though this one is description. This critical
Speaker 4: analysis of his work says Ringo's inimitable writing style in
Speaker 4: which no breasts are too big, no hero goes unfucked
Speaker 4: by multiple large prested women, and no terrorist goes unpunished.
Speaker 4: And these books are truly a piece of work. Man,
Speaker 4: oh boy, they are freaking out about one battle after another.
Speaker 4: By the way, that's their new thing that they're really worried.
Speaker 4: Ben Shapiro is calling it like an act of radical
Speaker 4: a call for radical left wing violence.
Speaker 3: It says, yeah, you can make excuses for it, but
Speaker 3: basically the film is an apologia for radical, radical left
Speaker 3: left wing terrorism.
Speaker 2: That's what it is.
Speaker 3: It is the subtlety of a brick. The basic suggestion
Speaker 3: is a conspiracy theory in which the United State is
Speaker 3: run by white supremacist Christian nationalists and all people of
Speaker 3: color and a few nice, incompetent fellow travelers like DiCaprio
Speaker 3: are going to take on that entire system, and that
Speaker 3: system is to be taken out at the cost of
Speaker 3: a family, at the cost of friendship, or the cost
Speaker 3: of decency, at the cost of basic This guy's fucking
Speaker 3: losing it.
Speaker 4: It is so rare for because that is the storyline
Speaker 4: of most movies. Most movies are like farm Guy takes
Speaker 4: on the Empire, you know, like in Star Wars. It's
Speaker 4: like something like that, where it's just like it lends
Speaker 4: itself at least as much to like the right sort
Speaker 4: of like have a story where it's like sort of
Speaker 4: a left something with left wing values like being the
Speaker 4: underdog and taking on and obviously they have to completely
Speaker 4: make up like this organized armed resistance on the left
Speaker 4: or you know, borrow from the nineteen sixties in a
Speaker 4: lot of cases. But the fact that like just putting
Speaker 4: that on screen freaks them.
Speaker 2: Out this much, I think is funny. I think they
Speaker 2: probably just saw how they're like, they're like, wait, so
Speaker 2: we're kind of like the Chris that the white nationalist
Speaker 2: side is that. Yeah damn.
Speaker 3: I wish I was the other cool guys in the movie,
Speaker 3: but I guess I'm the bad guys in the I
Speaker 3: don't like.
Speaker 2: This at all. Yeah, he's uh you know.
Speaker 3: I think also just as a failed screenwriter, it probably
Speaker 3: just irks him just to see people like make films
Speaker 3: like this while he has to go and just hold
Speaker 3: loose pieces of wood in a parking lot to be
Speaker 3: like and.
Speaker 2: I am man. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well he also writes his books.
Speaker 2: Come on, Yeah, that's true. They're really good.
Speaker 4: Everybody should check out Robert Evans is reading series of
Speaker 4: his books. They're they're very good.
Speaker 2: He's a great compelling writer. Yeah. Really again, are too large?
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, And if you think that it's a paranoid
Speaker 4: conspiracy that small groups of right wing white n press
Speaker 4: run the US government, I mean, now it is a
Speaker 4: conspiracy that they're small and secretly running the US government.
Speaker 2: Yeah right.
Speaker 4: There is a proud tradition of these weird groups being
Speaker 4: like you know, the kk from the KKK to the
Speaker 4: John Bridge Society, to you know. So there there's there's
Speaker 4: plenty of stuff to work with about like silly old
Speaker 4: white guys with like secret handshakes, being meeting and having
Speaker 4: like racist policy discussions. Yeah, so we'll have to maybe
Speaker 4: we'll have to dig into some of those in a
Speaker 4: future episode. I feel like that might be worth it.
Speaker 4: But what is the Christmas Adventurers?
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it out loud, Jack, I don't want
Speaker 2: to knock on my door. That's right, that's true, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 4: All Hall Saint Nick Tory. Such a pleasure having you
Speaker 4: as always on the daily ese Geist. Where can people
Speaker 4: find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can check out my podcasts White Homework, which
Speaker 1: is about anti racism and collective liberation that I do
Speaker 1: with Benjamin Fay. You can also check out my ex
Speaker 1: evangelical podcast where we are keeping an eye on the
Speaker 1: rapture at all times. Uh, it's called Go Home Bible
Speaker 1: You're Drunk, which I do with Justin Gentry And yeah
Speaker 1: you can go. We can just google those, follow rate
Speaker 1: support whatever you feel like doing. It is a very
Speaker 1: funny time to be a podcaster. On September third, I
Speaker 1: would just like to know, we recorded a podcast that
Speaker 1: we called is It Okay to like wish that bad
Speaker 1: people would die? And then a week later, Charlie Kirk
Speaker 1: was no longer with us, I'll say, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's weird and we were talking about Trump the
Speaker 1: entire time. Really Trump's dead right now. And a week
Speaker 1: later like oh manor production schedule is wild? It was
Speaker 1: much like it was much like the Etsy Witches, God
Speaker 1: Bless them or whatever. But yeah, so that's a where
Speaker 1: you can generally find me. I'm around if you want
Speaker 1: to find.
Speaker 2: Memm hell ya. Is there a work of media that
Speaker 2: you've been enjoying.
Speaker 1: I did want to share something that I really appreciated
Speaker 1: because I don't think I don't think I've ever told
Speaker 1: this story on here, but Conrad Hackett is on Blue
Speaker 1: Sky and was like, has anything great happened in your
Speaker 1: life because of social media? And I was like, actually, so,
Speaker 1: how my partner and I met was that we kept
Speaker 1: running into each other on Twitter during the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: protests in Portland because we were both so deeply committed
Speaker 1: to cyberbullying the mayor Ted Wheeler, and so every time
Speaker 1: he would tweet, we would be in his mentions being
Speaker 1: like you fucking piece of shit. Not really, we were
Speaker 1: a little more articulate than the but yeah, so I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, actually, like yeah, social media has I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying social media on the net is good.
Speaker 1: I don't think that we can make that case. But hey,
Speaker 1: sometimes you sometimes you meet the love of your life Cyberbowling,
Speaker 1: the mayor of Portland during the twenty twenty protests, and
Speaker 1: that's cool.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 4: And that's also something that you guys have in common
Speaker 4: with Donald Trump, so that's cool.
Speaker 1: On Twitter the mayor of Portland, My brain went the
Speaker 1: complete rung direction, like you met Mlania on Twitter?
Speaker 4: Uh? No, funny story about how he met Milania that
Speaker 4: we might find out more about if they ever released
Speaker 4: those Epstein talking about miles where can people find you?
Speaker 2: Is there a work of media you've been enjoying? Yeah,
Speaker 2: find me everywhere at miles of Gray.
Speaker 3: You can find me talking about ninety day fiance on
Speaker 3: four to twenty day fiance.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: Work and media I like is just because you know,
Speaker 3: they're the mischaracterizations of all these cities that are quote.
Speaker 2: Unquote war ravaged or war zones or burning pits of hell.
Speaker 3: You know you were talking earlier Torri about like just
Speaker 3: the people coming up in character costumes and just antagonizing
Speaker 3: just the cops just by dancing. There's a great clip
Speaker 3: from Karl Kingtonia that beast guy do at social It
Speaker 3: just said hashtag war ravaged Portland and it's a dinosaur
Speaker 3: suit guy, a unicorn, and a raccoon and maybe a
Speaker 3: bear and they're just dancing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. It's just the
Speaker 2: presence of Ice just having a little dance party. That's
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 3: Man. Just like in La it was mariachi bands and
Speaker 3: stuff and people playing instruments and hanging out.
Speaker 2: This it isn't, but I think it's always.
Speaker 3: I think I think that one thing that I think
Speaker 3: listeners especially can tell people because I all like, this
Speaker 3: always happens.
Speaker 6: You.
Speaker 3: Like I was on the phone for the customer service
Speaker 3: person who was in Texas and they're like, oh, you're
Speaker 3: in lost, Like how is it over there?
Speaker 5: For real?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like two weeks ago, and I was like, it's fine, fine,
Speaker 3: And then I had to and I spent I was
Speaker 3: trying to cancel my motherfucking cable okay, And I ended
Speaker 3: up taking this lady on a twenty minute fucking like
Speaker 3: de radical is talk about being like, well, think about
Speaker 3: what you're watching, and I'm telling you like, I'm like,
Speaker 3: where are you. She's like, I'm in Dallas, And I'm like,
Speaker 3: imagine if one one block in Dallas, like a car
Speaker 3: was on fire, would you know about that? Like, would
Speaker 3: that disrupt your entire life, the entire flow of life
Speaker 3: in your city if just And she's like, oh no,
Speaker 3: I mean Dallas is so big, you know, it's like
Speaker 3: it's really spread out. And I was like, right, so
Speaker 3: La is like that and she's like, but the cars
Speaker 3: are in front, like that was just the same shot
Speaker 3: over and over again.
Speaker 2: She's like it was I thought it looked like the
Speaker 2: same car.
Speaker 3: And I was like yeah, and see, because they want
Speaker 3: they want everybody to think that this place is so
Speaker 3: much worse off than it is, like all over the country.
Speaker 2: She's like, wow, you know the TV they just want
Speaker 2: you to believe stuff a lot of the times. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I know. Well I'm glad we talked.
Speaker 2: And she's like, yeah, okay, thank you for letting me know.
Speaker 3: So you know, whenever people start saying that shit getting
Speaker 3: that momentum going about like, well, you know, all these
Speaker 3: places are shit holds.
Speaker 2: They're like, get real for a second, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 3: Like, you know, if life was so bad that we
Speaker 3: need help like that, Usually it's just in regards to
Speaker 3: police violence. Yeah, and we make that know, you know,
Speaker 3: in our cities, like love to ask for help when
Speaker 3: that shit happens, Like yeah, when they need it, they
Speaker 3: love to bring in the National Guard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to, but not not this time. Not
Speaker 2: this time.
Speaker 4: Workimedia, I've been enjoying a dear self at dear me
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Speaker 4: the Furry tweeted that and said this hits extra hard
Speaker 4: if you were in a haunted house.
Speaker 2: One year ago. It's true as fun. Oh yeah.
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