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Speaker 1: Hey, what I welcome in. I've done godlie, this is

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Speaker 1: all ball, all basketball, all the time. And if you've

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Speaker 1: been joining us, if you joined us for our first

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Speaker 1: two episodes with UH with Steve Wadehowski, you're probably blown

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Speaker 1: away that the episode two was really get emotional, you know,

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Speaker 1: and if you missed it, go back and listen to it.

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Speaker 1: Talked about after his freshman year and what a struggle

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Speaker 1: it was, and how, like so many of us, he

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Speaker 1: called his dad and wanted to come home and his

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Speaker 1: dad said, you know, like, you can come home, but

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Speaker 1: you're not going to another school. You're gonna come work

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Speaker 1: with me on the docks. It was outstanding. Um. Part

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Speaker 1: three of our conversation is about his post career and

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Speaker 1: playing and getting into coaching and how it actually took place,

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Speaker 1: and and becoming a head coach and how that took place.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it as we get ready for the

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Speaker 1: n c A tournament. A guy who's coach did at Marquette,

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Speaker 1: What was he like coach like before games? So let

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Speaker 1: me I'll give you the There was two coach Senttons.

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Speaker 1: Pre game, okay, there was game you're going to win,

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Speaker 1: still did this for every game, but it was different

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Speaker 1: his thing was, you know, like you're gonna do this,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna do this, You're gonna do this. It wouldn't

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Speaker 1: I'll see it seven in the morning. That was it,

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Speaker 1: and so uh and then but big game coach, you'd

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Speaker 1: have the same kind of goals up in mind. Obviously

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Speaker 1: be about how hard you're gonna play, how tough you're

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Speaker 1: know then and then he would do this unique thing.

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Speaker 1: Whatever the betting line was, was a bad thing for you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you thinks you're a six point favorite. You think

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Speaker 1: you know its practice, They got no idea, right bor

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Speaker 1: Vegas thinks you're a five point under dog. Hey, you're

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Speaker 1: not any good. They do it for a living brother.

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Speaker 1: They think you ain't gonna win this game. Right. So

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Speaker 1: that was Eddie Sun Mike Chefsky. He's gonna coach his

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Speaker 1: and he'd say, I want you guys please say guys,

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Speaker 1: Now assistants curse and he actually would make assistant coaches

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Speaker 1: come back to it, like what am I supposed to

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Speaker 1: you're thinking about too much, like you're supposed to fight

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Speaker 1: and fight. Everybody knew and on the the big picture

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Speaker 1: what fighting looked like? In my role was running the team.

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Speaker 1: for forty we can do that, and we we didn't

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Speaker 1: But that time it was kind of split because everybody

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Speaker 1: I said yes and ended up. You know that was

431
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: that was some time in April, because Quinn went to

432
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: Missouri and and then I started coaching. Remember talking to

433
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: Quinn was like what like this happened really fast, Like

434
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: what I need to do? And Quinn Quinn said to me,

435
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: said make sure you get Christen Hunt. And he was

436
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: freaking right, because we had a we were we were

437
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 1: we had a we we lost a kind of really

438
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: good players. And my first year, my first week on

439
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 1: the job, we had like six we had five guys leave.

440
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: Elton William, Corey Bird transferred to Utah. Like it was

441
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: like and this was the first this is not like

442
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: nowadays were you know, year after year there's turnover. This

443
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: was like the first time. And I remember like scurrying

444
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: around campus trying to find guys and knocking on door

445
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: rooms and Cory coach wants to Corey answered the door like,

446
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: hey man, I can see you moving behind the people,

447
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: like I know you're in there, Like coach wants to

448
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: meet meet with you. And but we had a hell

449
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: of a class that that group, and Quinn and Uh

450
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: and Johnny and David had brought in a big time

451
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: freshman class. Jay Williams and dun Levy and Carlos Casey

452
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: Standers and Nick Corvath. I mean it was I think

453
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: Quin knew that, Like these guys are really good. But

454
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: what we need is like a true point guard and

455
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: do Han what was the guy? What do I need

456
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: to do? It's like get Christen Hunt? Got it? Okay?

457
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 1: Question again? You go back to keep it simple, right,

458
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: fight attack, Like the simpler it is for me, the

459
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: better it's gonna be. There's no thought of going with Clinton. Well,

460
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: when Coach I asked you to be on the Duke's staff,

461
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: I mean there's really you know, I mean there's it's

462
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: not really a decision at least in my mind. So

463
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: and he says his last his parting words are parting

464
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: words are get Chris du Hunt. You did get Chris

465
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: du Hunt, right, that recurring class of spectacular. Um, what

466
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: was it like being twenty one and being on staffy

467
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: all the manor? It was surreal? You know. I ended

468
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: up coaching three guys I've played with in Shane Battier,

469
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: Nate James, and Chris Carrowell. That was seawell senior season,

470
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: and uh, and I was close to those guys. Um.

471
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: You know, Seawall and I played a number of years together.

472
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: Nate we were on the same team. Nate was injured,

473
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: uh for the most part, so he missed a big

474
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 1: portion of his freshman year, and then Shane was obviously

475
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: a freshman when I was a senior. So, um, you

476
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: know it was for me. I went into the opportunity

477
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: just saying, I'm gonna try to do whatever coach needs

478
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 1: me to do to help the team win, and uh

479
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: learn as much as possible and then be there for

480
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: the guys. You know, I think when you're that young, Uh,

481
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: you know, I mean obviously everybody would love the uh

482
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: you know experience to be on their side. You know,

483
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: I just I wanted to be the guy that rebounded,

484
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 1: uh for for guys at all hours of the night

485
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: when they wanted to get in there, And I tried

486
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: not to act like I had all the answers, but

487
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: I wanted the guys to know that I was on

488
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: their side. Um with this group, because this team that

489
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: first year, uh, there were a lot of question marks.

490
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: I mean, we had Shane, Chris and Nate, but everybody

491
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: else that we anticipated playing a big role was going

492
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: to be freshman. You know, Jay Williams, Carlos Boozer, uh,

493
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: Mike Dunlevy h and those guys. So uh that my

494
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: my first month on the job, there was guys leaving

495
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: for pro is under classman for the first time really history.

496
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: And then the formation of a new team, like really

497
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: from losing the core of its team that was a

498
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: National Chip, National Championship caliber team to having three really

499
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: good older players and a bunch of young guys. We

500
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: thought we're going to be good, but you don't actually

501
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: know until they play. That team lost to Florida in

502
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: the Sweet sisteen. I know because we wanted to play

503
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: duke right like you are in your career, to kind

504
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: of come full circle. You guys beat us our sophomore

505
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: year and we're like Oh my god, we're gonna get

506
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: to play Duke. They're young, We're gonna smash them. We

507
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: were super old. And then you get you by Florida,

508
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: but we both kept you by Florida. Uh when when

509
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: he usually the job? Is there a negotiating how do

510
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: you know how much you're making? Like how does that work?

511
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, that didn't even come in

512
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: the equation into the equation with me. Und I understand,

513
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: but it's like it's like what I say, like Coach

514
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: J is like once you have staff, and then like,

515
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: at what point in time do you go, like, m

516
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,719
Speaker 1: how much am I actually gonna make for this gig? Right?

517
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: Like I mean at some point has to come up? Yeah,

518
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: you know no, I mean it's it's, hey, this is

519
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: we'd we'd love for you to be a part of

520
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: the staff. And then in that conversation somewhere along the way,

521
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: it's and we're gonna be able to pay you X

522
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: amount of dollars, which you know be the ten thousand

523
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: dollars cash in my shoe, uh coming home from Poland.

524
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: So you know, I mean, really to to be back

525
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: at Duke, to work for coach uh, to represent the

526
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: Duke program and another form and fashion. It was incredible because,

527
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: like we talked about in the last episode, I always

528
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: wanted to coach. Um. You know, early in my college career,

529
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: I thought that would be going back to high school

530
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: and coaching. And then later in my college career, I

531
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: thought I'd give college coaching a try. Now did I

532
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: know less than a year after I graduated that I'd

533
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: be on the Duke's staff. I did not know that, Um,

534
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: but certainly fortunate that it worked out that way. How

535
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: does the floor slapping technique get passed down? UM, It's

536
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: a It's a great question. You know, It's not something

537
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: that's discussed. Uh. You know, obviously, you know coach some

538
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: of coaches the first great teams, specifically eighty six with

539
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: Anaker Dawkins Allari billis David Henderson. When you one of

540
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: the things that coach, I think is always done is

541
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: trying to teach the current players the history of the

542
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: program and and and show big moments that the people

543
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: that have come before you have excelled at and some

544
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: of the things they did in the four slap I

545
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: believe there's a clip from uh do play in Georgia

546
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: Tech and again I believe it was the a SEC final.

547
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: We're coming out of a time out, and those Georgia

548
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: Tech teams were, I mean, I mean terrific, you mean Price,

549
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: John Sally, Noodles, Neil Um and they saw the floor Yeah,

550
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: brust well Dream Joseph, Evan Joseph and loaded um. So

551
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, for me, it was it was just something

552
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: that I saw the people before me, as a fan

553
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: of the program do, and you know, a lots made

554
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: of it, especially nowadays socially, because a lots made of everything. Um,

555
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: even though it's not everything means something. But inside the program,

556
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: slapping the floor to me represented a call to action

557
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: where it was it was a call to action for

558
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: us to be unified as a group, uh in a

559
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: common goal and most often time style was to get

560
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: a defensive stop. So you know, I probably did it

561
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: as much as anyone, and probably because I was loaded

562
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: the floor and uh didn't do as many other things

563
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: well as some of the guys before me. But you know,

564
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: I I thought it was an honor to be somebody

565
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: that could initiate that called action that had significance in

566
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: the new program. So was there ever a moment where

567
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: maybe even as a coach where somebody does it and

568
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: you're like, no, man, that ain't it, Like that's maybe

569
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: in timing at the game, or if you're not the

570
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: guy right like you were the guy, I mean there

571
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: was your early was the guy like it was really

572
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: really easy to tell who the guy was. Is there

573
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: is there? I know how like you said, how important

574
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: the history and the brotherhood is, but is there are there?

575
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: Have there been moments where somebody's had to pull somebody

576
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: aside or somebody's tapped you when of your former teammates like, hey,

577
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: what is he doing? Like one, he's a backup to

578
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: this is a guarantee game. This is not this is

579
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: not a call to action moment? Does that happen? Right?

580
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: You know what? To be honest with you, I can't

581
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: recall a time where and and I think it would

582
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: come to my mind pretty quickly where I'm like, what

583
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: is he doing? Now? That doesn't mean every time you

584
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: make a call to action the result is the way

585
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: you want it to be. But for the most part,

586
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, at least as I've observed, it's been used

587
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: at appropriate times. Um, you know, I think you can

588
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: as you say, you could probably overdo it. You can.

589
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: You can certainly do it at the wrong time times

590
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: that aren't as appropriate as others. But I think for

591
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: the most part, in my memory, guys have have used

592
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: it at the right time. Um, there was look there,

593
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: there used to be a little bit more sarcasm with

594
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: the camera crazies they used to be on here with.

595
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: But now it's it feels now fairly tame, um in

596
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: terms of bourbage, you know. But again that's from a

597
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: side because it did feel like there was a time

598
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: maybe before you where they weren't the level of Maryland fans.

599
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: They weren't the level of Missouri the Antlers and some

600
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: of the other ones. But uh, pretty tough on guys.

601
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: What what what is it? What is that like to

602
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: let's start with playing. Okay, they're doing the camera crazy,

603
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: are doing their thing. They come up with a chant

604
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: that's funny as hell, Like what's one that pops out

605
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: in your mind that you actually lost your conservation for

606
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: a second because you're laughing at the crazies. Um, So

607
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: we were playing you know when you could play exhibition

608
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: games against like A teams and all star teams. We're

609
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: playing against I don't remember what all started team it was,

610
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: but Mustafa Heron, who was a really good player at St. John's.

611
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: We're playing against his dad and his dad at long

612
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: Rastafarian dreads. And you know, most of the time when

613
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: you played played those au teams, you beat the heck

614
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: out of them, and we were beating them badly. But

615
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: at the end of the game, he got fouled and

616
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: as he's at the free throw line, the entire Cameron

617
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: Crazies break out into Bob Marley's eyeshot. The sheriff. Uh,

618
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: it was beautiful and uh. And then you know, I

619
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: remember we were playing Carolina one time and I don't remember,

620
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: maybe Jackie Manual was on the free throw line and

621
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: the court is surrounded by students, but the end zones

622
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: have traditionally been the space for the graduate students, and

623
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: that space is under the basket. And so Jackie was

624
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: shooting a free throw in front of our bench, and

625
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's standing up making noise, and then all

626
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden, all of them sit down in unison

627
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: and the speedo guy creeps up like a blooming flower

628
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: and started doing this like god awful dance, and you know,

629
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: it was one of those moments on the bench where

630
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: you're going, holy sh it, like this is this, this

631
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: is this is Saturday Night Live, not like South Carolina.

632
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: And it was hilarious and and and you could not

633
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: stay it. First of all, you know, for for you know,

634
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: hundreds of students to do anything in Unison, that's gonna

635
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: draw your attention. I don't care how razor focused you are.

636
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: But for them to sit down that was that was different.

637
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: And then it's out of this sea of grad students

638
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: are all have all taken a seat, Cameron, which is unusual.

639
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: This guy in a blue speedo blooms from the sea

640
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: of sitting grad students and does this dance and and

641
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: everybody and Cameron lost it. And even if it was

642
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: just for a moment, we did as coaches. I mean,

643
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: everybody was like, because you've never seen anything like that before.

644
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: You ended up myths and I think both free throws

645
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: and I felt like the roof was gonna blow off

646
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: the place. So the camera the craziest have been very creative,

647
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, obviously playing there and then coaching there. When

648
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: you go into anybody's building, you're gonna get their fan

649
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: bases best shot. And most of the fan bases are great,

650
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: but summer like wildly longer one which you named earlier.

651
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: Uh uh, the crazies, you know, I have not had

652
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: not gone that direction, and I don't think coach would

653
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: allow them even if they try to, you know, test it.

654
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Maryland. Um, obviously we're right

655
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: in that time with the comeback first, right because because

656
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: before we get to fuck you j J, we gotta

657
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: get to the comeback. Um, all right, paint the picture

658
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: of that game. What was your on the sideline? You

659
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: guys are down ten with a minute and how much

660
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: to go? I think it was. I think it was

661
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: a minute and eleven. Um, it was Coldfield House, which

662
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: was an incredible I mean an incredible place to play.

663
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean as nice as Comcast or Exfinity Center, whatever

664
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: they're on it now is. Coldfield House was like a

665
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: one of a kind building. It was one of those

666
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: places that probably shouldn't have been replaced in my opinion. Um,

667
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: but you know, for context before the game, like in

668
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: the in the early in the late nineties, early two thousand's.

669
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: As much as people focus on the Duke and Carolina

670
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: game year after year, I do not believe there were

671
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: any better college basketball games than Maryland. We were really good. Uh,

672
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: they were really good. We were we were next connect

673
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: every year to winning the A C C championship of

674
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: both programs. Um, you know Hall of Fame coach and

675
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: coach k and Gary Williams on their sideline, and um,

676
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: they were lacious games. So you know it wasn't you know,

677
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: it wasn't a one off like great Games, was not

678
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: a one off, although the ending was incredibly unique. Um.

679
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: You know, they were loaded. Me want people. I don't

680
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: know how many people nowadays remember their keep Won Dix

681
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: and Steve Blake, Lonnie Baxter, Uh, Chris Wilcox. They were

682
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: they were Terrence Morris. They were loaded with outstanding college

683
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: players and many of them went on to the NBA

684
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: to have success. Um. And so you go into the

685
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: game knowing it's it's gonna be Latians, and they handed

686
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: it to us for thirty eight plus minutes because we

687
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: were getting me to have us down double figures. At

688
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: the end of the game. That team was pretty special. Um.

689
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: And I remember Nate got fould, he had a free throw,

690
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden we get a steal.

691
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: Jason hits the three, and then everything had to go

692
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: right for us to have a chance to win the game.

693
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: And for us everything went right. They missed a bunch

694
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: of free throws that normally they would make. Guys made

695
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: incredible plays. At the end of the game, batty A

696
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: blocked a drive. I think I want Dixon to seal

697
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: the game. And you know it didn't go to overtime.

698
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: We won the game. That that's a crazy but I wasn't.

699
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: So so let me let me start with this. So

700
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: Kay's philosophy, and I don't know when it started, but

701
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: his philosophy is like, let's just lengthen the game right

702
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: as soon as it gets in and try and deny

703
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: the inbouncement past being in steal, you get steal, but

704
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: as soon as you get any foul right away and

705
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: then you push it and are you automatically looking too?

706
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: Is like, I'm not wrong with that, that's philosophically. What

707
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: I've noticed is he's a second it comes and doesn't matter.

708
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: You're not trying to wait on the bad fact free

709
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: throw shooter. You're just second it gets in and you

710
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: deny the ball, then you foul, and then you go

711
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: down the other end and then you push and are

712
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: you trying to shoot threes or get lamps, Like, what

713
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: is the what is the actual taught end of game

714
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: philosophy for my suggest Well, I think it's you know,

715
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: I think for the most part, you're right on. I mean,

716
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: you want to any time you're down, you want to

717
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: let in the game, anytime you're up. If you can

718
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: shorten the game, that's that's probably a good bet too.

719
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: Um So yeah, I mean, if you can get a

720
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: steal off the inbound, that's the best thing. If not,

721
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: you're you're going to try for a quick steal and

722
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: these your split second decisions. And if you can't get

723
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: a steel or wrap it up and get a jump,

724
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: all depending on the possession arrow, then you've got the

725
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: foul right away. And really, I mean when you talked

726
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: about Maryland, there wasn't it wasn't like I mean, these

727
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: were all guys that at the end of the game

728
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: you think are going to make free throws. I mean

729
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: there's some of the best players that have played in

730
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: the ACC. So you know, waiting to pick out like

731
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: who to foul a lot of time that wastes more

732
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: time than it saves. Um for minimal difference. That's not

733
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: always the case, but for the Maryland game, it was

734
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: and you know, after Nate made his free throws, we

735
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: got a trap and I think I think Jason was

736
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: trying to foul and he stripped the ball and ended

737
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: up hitting the three. Then then you know, like the

738
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: foe of the game and the emotion and uh, you

739
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: could feel a turn in cold Field House from this

740
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: is going to be a celebration like no other because

741
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: we've beaten Duke and that was significant I think for anyone,

742
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: but especially Maryland too, Like in fifteen seconds, like you know,

743
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: big lead went to like a two possession game and

744
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: that and that's nothing even with a little bit of

745
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: time left. And so you could feel the energy of

746
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: the building shift in a thirty second span, which gave

747
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: our guy, I think gave our guy's life, and probably

748
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: their players felt it as well. Fox Sports Radio has

749
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all

750
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,160
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752
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: to listen live. Um. I have an expression which you're

753
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: totally free to disagree with, but I believe it to

754
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: be true that road wins are better than sex. Just uh,

755
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: hopefully in somebody's lifetime. It's a little bit more rare.

756
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: It's a little bit more rare than than sex. Also,

757
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: you can tell your buddies about it, you know for years.

758
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: Um like you're not you're not gonna tell your buddy

759
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: about Man, we were down in mar Sinique and me

760
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: and my wife like, no, we don't want to know. Um,

761
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: the buzzer sounds, Shane blocks the drive. What is that

762
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: feeling like of I when you're dead, done, finished, no

763
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: shot to walking out of cold? It's like, what what

764
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: is that like? Because the coaches also usually you I

765
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: don't know how usually you guys go off in your

766
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: own locker room at some point in time too, and

767
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: you guys are talking and like what is that like? Well,

768
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: I think we all probably floated to the locker room, um,

769
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, I mean after handshakes. I think there was

770
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: a dead sprint to the locker room in coal Field House.

771
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you experience this while you're

772
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma State, but some road arenas their visitor locker

773
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: room is just the ships And that's how it wasn't called.

774
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: I mean it was the size of a closet. There

775
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: was not a uh you know, there was not a

776
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: separate coaches area, and a lot of times when you

777
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: encountered those types of locker rooms, you know basically you

778
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: set up shop in the showers and uh, you know

779
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: it's probably it was probably a twelve by twelve square

780
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: box with a with probably like seven hooks on the

781
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: wall for you know, fifty people. Um, but it was.

782
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: It was as uh good a locker room as I've

783
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: ever been in. I mean, there was pure joy. I

784
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: mean our guys one I think I felt like and

785
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: rightly so, we stole one. And the fact that we

786
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: kept fighting to the end, which you know Coach has

787
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: always been big on. Yeah, and you know we were

788
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: able to beat a hell of a team, a team

789
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: that we were competing against for or an A C

790
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: C championship and that we probably see down the road.

791
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: Um was pretty spectacular. It was a great you know,

792
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: those those are the type of feelings. You know, It's

793
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: not like you can carry every locker room feeling with

794
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: you forward. Special ones like that you do. So a

795
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: year and a couple of months later, that group, the

796
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: core of those young guys are as good a team

797
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: as Duke ever puts out right. The Boozer, Don Levy,

798
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 1: Doohan who you did get right? You did your job,

799
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: You got him. All five starters became NBA players. Uh,

800
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: and you win a national championship? Was it? Was there

801
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: any moment there where you I mean maybe since you've

802
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: taken stock, but of the you were there at the

803
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: bottom your freshman year coach k back playing for Peak

804
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: dat two wins and conference play two? Was it seven

805
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: years later? Seven years later you win a national championship? What?

806
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: What is what is the feeling of accomplishment like? And

807
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: did you did you have the perspective at the time

808
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: to really get the Hey, I was, I was here

809
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: for the entire build process to get it back to

810
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: this point. Um, I had. I had perspective to a point. Yeah,

811
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: I think how you explained it, that type of feeling

812
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: did enter my mind, you know, like, hey, I was

813
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: a part of of you know, one of the low

814
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: points of the program. And then you know, I was

815
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: a part of building that back to the point where

816
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: my senior year we had a chance to win. We

817
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 1: didn't do it. The year in between I was playing

818
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: and coaching, you know, they had a great chance when

819
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: that team was loaded at a chance to win that

820
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: and that didn't happen, so that that that national championship

821
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: had escaped the program for really a short period of

822
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: time in context of college basketball, but for Duke and

823
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: what they're accustomed to, you know, a longer period of time.

824
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: And then to be on staff with that group and

825
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: some of the guys which I played with to win

826
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: a national championship was absolutely incredible, and that team was

827
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: that team was special. Starting with the leadership UH, Shane

828
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: and Nate, those guys were. They still had I think

829
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: some of the the knowledge of you know, national championships

830
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: aren't gifted to anyone, even a program like Duke, and

831
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: it it can, it can, It's hard, and there was

832
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: with with Nate and Shane having that knowledge and having

833
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: UH their fingerprints on some of the rebuild UH, I

834
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: think helped that group of exceptionally talented guys reach their potential,

835
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: which was the national championship. UM. But I had no

836
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: I had no perspective, man, it was we won. Obviously,

837
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: you're thrilled, you're proud, every every good emotion you have,

838
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: but you know, I mean, I'm what in my twenty

839
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: three at the time, and Chris Prawn to join the staff,

840
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: and he was twenty five, and you know, we're we

841
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: do all this celebration and then you know, the most

842
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: important people do media. And Chris and I are just

843
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: standing there and we're looking at each other like what

844
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: do we do? You want to get a beer? You know?

845
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: So we went, we walked and found a spot and

846
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: we shared a beer and we toasted, uh, the accomplishment

847
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: and waited for you know, the guys to all the

848
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: heavy lifting to get to the bus. Did you did?

849
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: Have you ever cracked a beer with Coach Ka? Now,

850
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: Coach isn't a beer drinker, He's he Coach enjoys his wine. Um,

851
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: so I've had I've had a few glasses of wine

852
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: with him over the times. But you know, I don't

853
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he'd he'd really have to be in

854
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: dire straits for somebody to for him to drink a beer.

855
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: Is he red white? You do know what kind of wine? Like?

856
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: It's his wine. I'm sure it's one of those deals

857
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: where he gets to order and you're like, whatever, just

858
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: go with it. Yeah, no, he uh, he's got a

859
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: good taste for it. He likes. And again, I haven't

860
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: had a glass of wine with him in a while.

861
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: But he likes big body reds from the Northwest. So, um,

862
00:50:54,840 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: that's good wine, Doug wine during during yes, during this time. Okay,

863
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: you're young, everybody knows you, right. Um, I'm sure that

864
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: very early on you had opportunities just like he did,

865
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 1: right to do that. Hey, let's go be ahead, coach

866
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: in your early twenties. So well, what was what was

867
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: the decision like to to wait, you know, like you

868
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: waited on a really really big job. What was that? Well,

869
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: I was in a great place, um, place I loved,

870
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: and I was learning a lot, and I had the

871
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: opportunity to do a lot of incredible things. Um So

872
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: in my early twenties, the opportunities that came my way

873
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: were not, uh necessarily jobs that I felt were life changing,

874
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, like if you take the job, you you

875
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: are going to have a certain amount of a chance

876
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: to be really successful, chance to provide security for your

877
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 1: family really if if you do it wisely, for the

878
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: rest of your life. Um and and and I loved

879
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: where I was at, And I think one of the

880
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: things probably that slowed me down from taking a job

881
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: was the fact that I got to be a part

882
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: of the Olympics, uh for two cycles in Beijing and

883
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: in London. And so in addition to what I was

884
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: doing as a duke coach, I was getting to watch

885
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 1: and assist coach as he took on the USA Basketball Challenge,

886
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: which was you know, it's a dream come true. And

887
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: so as you know, all those things were happening, it

888
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: just didn't And there there were good jobs and good

889
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: opportunities that presented itself. Um, but I was going to

890
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: be very selective given the other opportunities that were that

891
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: I had. Who is the most receptive of the team

892
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: USA guys from your coach to your country, I mean, duck,

893
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: they were all in my experience, they were all great.

894
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: And again, like I knew my place, it wasn't like

895
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: you got Hall of Fame coaches, great NBA coaches, And

896
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: my my role was to fill in the gaps and

897
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: to provide help where those guys needed it. Meaning if

898
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: Kobe called and wanted somebody to readound for him at

899
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: any hour, then you know, raise my hand in and

900
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: get it done. Uh. So all of them, they were great,

901
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: They were respectful. I learned a lot from them in

902
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: terms of their best practices, and you know, I think

903
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: one of the things when people when when a lot

904
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: of people think about the greatest players in the sport,

905
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: whether it's now or some of those guys in history,

906
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're very quick to say there they are,

907
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: where they are because they want the genetic lottery, and

908
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: they'll they'll they'll put a lot of what those guys

909
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: have accomplished just strictly on their genes. And look, I'm

910
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: not I'm not debating the fact that most of those

911
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: guys have they won the genetic lottery. Sure, but to

912
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: be around those guys and to see their best practices,

913
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: their preparation, their dedication, their discipline, and their ability to learn,

914
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: their ability to learn is elite and in some cases

915
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: genius like and that to me, that's very rarely talked about.

916
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: And I think it's a mistake, and I think it's

917
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 1: a surface level evaluation. I Lebron James is Lebron James,

918
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: or Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant, or Chris Paul's Chris

919
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: Paul Um. Their habits and teams were elite, and their

920
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: ability to learn was as good as any of the

921
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 1: smartest people I've been around. And I've been really fortunate

922
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: to be around a lot of smart people. That's it's

923
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: it's a great point. It's like, um, and you get

924
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: this with with all athletes I've in my career, Like

925
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,439
Speaker 1: I'll never I'll never understand why people are blown away.

926
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: Like man, you had the guy and he was unbelievable,

927
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: Like you know, most of the smart it's it's hard

928
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: to be good at what you're doing, regardless of your

929
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: size or or natural born athletic ability, if you don't

930
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: have a great work ethic and if you're not super

931
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: super bright within your sport. Sometimes they're not, you know

932
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: sometimes in terms of syntax in me off or whatever.

933
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: But like you start talking ball with them, a whole

934
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: different deal, all right, whole different They'll also played basketball

935
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 1: a long time too, so you don't need to sometimes

936
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: you don't need to over teach things you know, and

937
00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: and they naturally intuitively understand and and figure it out out. Uh,

938
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: what about coach k You know, one of the things

939
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: that the new book out talks about how he had

940
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: to adjust. You know, he's a he's a relationship guy,

941
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: he's a private meeting guy. But you have to adjust

942
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 1: when you're coaching these guys. How you coach in college

943
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: as a guy who played for him now coaches with him,

944
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: and then watched how he coached. How different was his

945
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: approach when he's coaching the best of the best. Well,

946
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: for me, the most interesting thing was when I ended Duke.

947
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: Duke was established. There was an established culture. There were

948
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: standards that pretty much from day one walking on campus

949
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: that we're we're taught to you or you learned right away,

950
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: like this is acceptable, this is not this is how

951
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: we do things, this is how we prepare, this is

952
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: how we interact with practice, etcetera, etcetera. All the things

953
00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: that go into running an outstanding program. And when coach

954
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: took over USA Basket, so I didn't get to see

955
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: him build that. I benefited from it. I benefited from

956
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: that building process at Duke, but I didn't get to

957
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: see him on the ground floor. You know. That's that's

958
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: something that Tommy and Johnny and Jay and those guys

959
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: got to see when we went to USA Basketball and

960
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: as I got to be a part of that, the

961
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: thing that I found so interesting was I got to

962
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: see coach at the ground floor of an organization trying

963
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: to build a culture back up that would appropriately represent

964
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: USA Basketball and our country. UM. And so that was fascinating. UH.

965
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: In terms of broadly coach coaches all he always is

966
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: who he is, UM, but he's going to figure out

967
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: a way to connect with his audience. And when you're

968
00:57:54,240 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 1: dealing with men who are not only established pros, but

969
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: the best and the best, your audience is different than

970
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: eighteen year old kid who is trying to get to

971
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: that level. UH. But his his desire to build a

972
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: culture and being able to watch him do that was

973
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: fascinating to me because I didn't get to see that

974
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: at Duke. I got to kind of be part of

975
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: the rebirth, and so I saw a little bit of it,

976
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: but I didn't see the establishment. So being there for

977
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: that was was incredible and it and it all started

978
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: with the same things that have made him great at Duke.

979
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: Number one, his ability to communicate standards and expectation and

980
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: create buy in with with the NBA players and seeking

981
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: their input and and what the standards should be so

982
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: they have the ownership of it. And it's not just

983
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: his his ability to old relationships with players, UH, to

984
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: build trust so that in those moments of any team,

985
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: whether regardless if you're the redeem team of of trials

986
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: that you can you can rely on each other's word

987
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: and trust that we're all working towards a common goal.

988
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: And and and so that that was. That was an

989
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: incredible experience. And you know what if I if I

990
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: had taken a job before that journey was over, I

991
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: probably would have ended up regretting it. If you close

992
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: your eyes, you said, this is my most memorable story

993
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: of being with USA basketball. What is it? Um? Well,

994
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: there were so many moments where you take a deep

995
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: breath and you ask yourself, like a right, is this real? Like?

996
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: How how did I end up here? H? There was?

997
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: I think the first team meeting of the of the

998
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: Olympic team in the wind Hotel in Vegas was pretty significant.

999
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: And and you know, and I think when people think

1000
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: about basketball and first basketball meeting, you think you're going

1001
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: to talk about offense and defense and special teams and

1002
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: all those types of things. And the conversation was about

1003
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: standards and all the guys spoke up. So you've got

1004
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: to hear that these players that you marvel at speak

1005
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: up and say the things that were important to them,

1006
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: and in many cases they were quite profound. Um. So

1007
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: being there because that was referenced throughout the trip, like

1008
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,439
Speaker 1: whether it was we said we were gonna live this way,

1009
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: we said we were going to hold each other accountable

1010
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: to this and what you did there shows that you're

1011
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: you believe it and it shows those things and action

1012
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: or at times, whether it's individually and collectively like you said,

1013
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, we said we were going to live in

1014
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: to this standard, and this is our behavior, and our

1015
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: behavior does not match our standard. Um. So that was

1016
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: that to me, to be honest with you, was more

1017
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: important than what offens or defense was played. Was creating uh,

1018
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: not only the common goal and in the end game,

1019
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: but the way we're gonna live to make sure that happens. Um.

1020
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: Somebody who impressed you more than you because you look,

1021
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: they're all incredible, right, but you think you know and

1022
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: then you watch a guy work, watch a guy player,

1023
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: You watch a guy uh taking coaching, or you know,

1024
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: you watch a guy uh kind of figure out his

1025
01:01:53,760 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: own game. One guy who, um who who pressed you

1026
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: away more than you thought during your times at USA basketball.

1027
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: Well you have remember you know, for that group, some

1028
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: of those guys were still they're not the guys we

1029
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: think of today, right, Ron James in two thousand and

1030
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: eight is not you know Lebron James with the laundry

1031
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: list of achievements that he has now, although he was

1032
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: as good as anyone Lebron. Lebron's uh ability to learn

1033
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: was incredible, his recall, his feel for the game, his

1034
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: ability to see things before they happened, his ability to understand, um,

1035
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: what needed to be done when patterned recognition. He was

1036
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: So there was a time where I was partnered with

1037
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: Mike D'Antoni and are One of the teams that we

1038
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: scouted was Argentina, and so you'd give a scouting report. Um,

1039
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, we give a scoutering report on Argentina and

1040
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: go through the things that most people go through, right, personnel,

1041
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: favorite actions, defenses, they play things that we can expect

1042
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: to see really throughout the game. And so we generally

1043
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: we do that in the hotel and then we get

1044
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: on a bus and we'd have to drive somewhere wherever

1045
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: the Olympics had the practics facility, and that most of

1046
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: the times that was not close. So we go through

1047
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: in Argentina's scout and Argentina was one of the teams.

1048
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: I think those guys really really respected because of genobally

1049
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: and how could they were. I mean, NBA did a

1050
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,959
Speaker 1: ton of NBA players. They played the game incredibly hard

1051
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: and immense pride in their country, so they were unified. Um,

1052
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: by the time we gave a scouting report in the

1053
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: hotel two a driving at the practice fatility and beginning

1054
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: practice with the walkthrough, Lebron could have done the walkthrough

1055
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: all by himself. He didn't need he didn't need any coke,

1056
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: He didn't need anyone like he had in one sitting.

1057
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: He knew what they did, why they did it, and

1058
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: also how to defend it. It's incredible. It's incredible. And

1059
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: you know there's stories for each of the guys like that.

1060
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: I mean they're you know, Chris Paul's love of the game.

1061
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: Me he's a basketball guy. Like if you love basketball

1062
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: and you love talking to who, then you love being

1063
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: around Chris Paul. You know he loves it like that,

1064
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: And so I mean you could go down the line. Um.

1065
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: You know, Kobe's work ethic is what everybody says it.

1066
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: It is my best workout in eight years, like you know,

1067
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: trying to stay in shape and not look like a clown. Um,

1068
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: my best workout was working Kobe out because he wanted

1069
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: to make fifty baseline drift passes instead of me rebounding

1070
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: under the basket, standing there and throwing the drift pass.

1071
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: He wanted to be game like, so I had to

1072
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: start on the opposite wing, actually drive baseline, jumping the

1073
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: air out of bounds, throw it to him. So it

1074
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: was more similar to what actually happens in the game

1075
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: as opposed to a coach standing under the basket and

1076
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: passing ball on the stationary manners. And uh, you know,

1077
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: I was done planning. I was in decent shape. But

1078
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, I remember walking out of that gym and

1079
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: uh in Manchester, England and going ship. I can't. I mean,

1080
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm like I could probably sleep for a day and

1081
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: a half after that. There's all kinds of you know,

1082
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: there's so much to learn from those guys. And and

1083
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: that's the thing that I have great appreciation from. Uh, Marquette,

1084
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: How did it come to be so? Um there's two

1085
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen and and uh the buzz had just left

1086
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: to take the Virginia Tech job, which I think was surprising, um,

1087
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: you know in the basketball community. Um, and that that

1088
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: was a job. And I think it's a great job,

1089
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: and I still do. You know, I think it's a

1090
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: great job. There's a lot of tradition, uh, their support

1091
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: and the people who worked there were terrific people and

1092
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 1: so and there was an opportunity in going there where

1093
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: I think it made sense for my family. Milwaukee was

1094
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: even though we didn't have any experience living there, it's

1095
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: a place that I felt like the family could live

1096
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: and be happy because sometimes you don't control that. In college,

1097
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: you can live, you can live a lot of places,

1098
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: and it's not always easy on families depending on where

1099
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: you land. UM. And you know, it was a place

1100
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: where you you'd get compensated really well for your work.

1101
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: So you know as a father that that helps too.

1102
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: So all of those things, great program, history of success,

1103
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: really good people, UH commitment really at a number of levels.

1104
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: And the fact that I think I thought it was

1105
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 1: a good move for my family. What'd your dad say?

1106
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: You know, he in those types of situations, like my

1107
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: both my parents, just do what you think is right

1108
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: for all your heart. And so you know, I had

1109
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,479
Speaker 1: a coach, there's an interim athletic director at the time.

1110
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: Because there's been a lot of movement in the athletic

1111
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: department on on a lot of levels, and UH coach

1112
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: called the athletic director and and he came down to

1113
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: Durham with one other person and UH and interviewed me.

1114
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I was a serious candidate initially,

1115
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: but after the interview I was, you know, what's what's

1116
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: interesting is and we I want to go back. But

1117
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:18,640
Speaker 1: it also helps with how you initially coached and adjusting

1118
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: to different personnel. I got the best coaching job you

1119
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: guys ever did was two thousand two twelve was Zoo

1120
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: back and those guys so that year And what what

1121
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: guys will forever give me grief about is you played

1122
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: Arizona State and they're carving you up. And I was like, man,

1123
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 1: they look alarmingly on athletic yess wearing black sneakers, which

1124
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: is bad, and and you're trying, you're trying to guard

1125
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: and they're spreading you out in their Princeton cat Death

1126
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: from Afar. What I noticed was midway through conference, it's changed.

1127
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: And I don't know when the change was, but you

1128
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: changed the pick up point of the basketball. You changed

1129
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: how you played ball screens because now Zoo bec was

1130
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: playing and instead of the traditional duke traditional we're gonna

1131
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 1: take you out of what you want to run. You

1132
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: are not going to run offense against this, We're gonna

1133
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 1: pressure you and just take you out of everything. Instead

1134
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: of that, it became we're just solid almost not necessarily

1135
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: pack line, but a lot closer to pack line than

1136
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,959
Speaker 1: the traditional duke. And then you guys were a dominant

1137
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: rebounding team at both ends of the floor, and an

1138
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: offensive rebounds you guys kick out for threes like that

1139
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 1: was the he started that Steph Curry Davidson thing where

1140
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 1: you started kicking out for it for dagger threes. So

1141
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: to me, what what again? As somebody who's a viewer

1142
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 1: of the program, you've done one thing, one way the

1143
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: whole time. And there were guys that fell off and

1144
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: didn't have great careers because they couldn't play that one

1145
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: not because they're bad players, but they couldn't necessarily play

1146
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: the way that coach was demanding in your style. Demand

1147
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: you played in the mid season and planting pivot, I

1148
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: thought was incredibly impressive and it's what led to you

1149
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 1: guys winning a national championship. UM and my my right

1150
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: in terms of my assessment of what happened with that team. Yeah,

1151
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 1: and and I think the more we learned about that

1152
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: team because it was it was it was an unusual

1153
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: team in that um our roster was dominated by post players.

1154
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: We had, you know, an even Singler in earlier years

1155
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,560
Speaker 1: had played the four you know, kind of that mismatch

1156
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: for that uh that coach employed forever. Kyle was that

1157
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: and was great at it. But Gerald Henderson the year

1158
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,600
Speaker 1: before went went to the NBA ear League and so

1159
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: and Elliott Williams transferred to Memphis. So instead of having

1160
01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:00,520
Speaker 1: John Shire, Old Smith, Kyle Singler, Gerald Henderson, Elliott Williams,

1161
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: we had John Shire, Nolan Smith, Kyle Singler, and then

1162
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: Andre Dawkins reclassified and was like the first guy that

1163
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 1: one of the first guys three classified and became a

1164
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: part of our program because we like we're looking at

1165
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 1: and we we only have like three guards because the

1166
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:25,799
Speaker 1: rest of the roster is Miles Fromly, Mason Flumbly, Brian Zoback,

1167
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: Glance Thomas, and Ryan Kelly's who were front core players.

1168
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 1: You know there they were. They were front core players,

1169
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: all of them and good ones. So I think the

1170
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: more we learned about the team, um, I think the

1171
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: more we figured our roster was more conducive to using

1172
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: our size and left not extending our defense, putting our

1173
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: guys in a position, Um, we wanted to get tired

1174
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: because they're you know, they're chasing people nine four ft

1175
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: and also get thous because quite frankly, it was harder

1176
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: for us to absorb pouch trouble in the backcourt because

1177
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: there was there was limited backcourt guys, and so we

1178
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 1: we made the shift. We began making the shift probably

1179
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 1: earlier than mid season, but it kind of took shape

1180
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 1: because it was different. It's different for our guys too.

1181
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's different than denying one passed away and

1182
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 1: picking up three quarter quarter four court. So that takes time.

1183
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 1: That's not just something Hey guys, we're gonna shift. We're

1184
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: gonna do something different. And then all of a sudden,

1185
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 1: like everybody's got it. You know, it takes a while

1186
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 1: for habits to build. Um. There's a couple of significant

1187
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: things that year. One, you know, Kyle Nolan and John

1188
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 1: I think where as good, if not better than any

1189
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 1: backcourt country and John's leadership in security was incredibly valuable. UM.

1190
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: But there was the emergence of our post players, And um,

1191
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: you know, I think for a lot people talk about

1192
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: the guards, the guards, the guards, like our post players

1193
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: really went through five guys Pennan really emerged, and none

1194
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 1: of them emerged more than Brian back that's he went

1195
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: from like a d NP guy to the most dominant

1196
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: rebounding big guy in college basketball. And then for people, don't,

1197
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, you worked for the big guys, right,

1198
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: Like that was you worked for the big guys. So

1199
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: how did that happen? How did yeah go from like

1200
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 1: barely on the scattered report and look all those guys,

1201
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't I don't think Brian ever

1202
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 1: played in the NBA or didn't stick. Everybody else played

1203
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: in illegal at least a little bit. But but he was, Yeah,

1204
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 1: he was as valuable as anyone. I mean, you know,

1205
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 1: I like it made more. So Yeah, you know what, Doug,

1206
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: and this is a great lesson for me. Um. We

1207
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: inserted him into starting lineup late in the year and

1208
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,919
Speaker 1: he ended up having like eighteen points in fifteen rebounds.

1209
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 1: So the thought was like overnight success, like he it clicked,

1210
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: you know, like, and his senior year was really the

1211
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 1: first year he is healthy. Every other year he was

1212
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: the only foot problems like a lot of big guys

1213
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,560
Speaker 1: do you know, caring a lot of weight around and

1214
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 1: then asked to do a lot of athletic things. He

1215
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 1: was injured. So his senior year was the first time

1216
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 1: he was healthy. And that that five, the five guys

1217
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 1: I just mentioned Brian Lance, Mason Miles, and Ryan from

1218
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 1: early on in the season where we had a game

1219
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: I think it was against Ency State where Tracy Smith

1220
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 1: and whoever else they at in their front court outscored

1221
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 1: our front court like fifty three to six, and I

1222
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 1: rebounded our front court, doubled up the rebounds, and it

1223
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 1: was just like a domination. And from that moment on,

1224
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: that group of five guys showed it good a resolve

1225
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 1: and commitment to doing everything they could, especially Brian Lance

1226
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 1: because they were seniors, to make sure that this ride

1227
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 1: ended where we we were going to attack our potential

1228
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 1: and then let's see where that lands us. And so

1229
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: his emergence began well before his coming out party, which

1230
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: I think if you talk to anybody who accomplishes anything,

1231
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 1: a lot of times that's out topping like you're chopping wood.

1232
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: You're chopping wood, and all of a sudden you do

1233
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: something that everybody says, oh my gosh, like where did

1234
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: that come from? Those guys were incredible, and Brian and

1235
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: Lance and and Mason and Miles because we kind of

1236
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: rotated them in together. Um, they they were by the

1237
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: end of the year, they were absolute monsters. They were

1238
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 1: like nobody wanted to see them. And it wasn't because

1239
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: they were doing like incredible, you know, crazy offensive trickery.

1240
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: It was because they were tougher than nails and and

1241
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 1: it showed like in every game. And we don't win

1242
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 1: a national championship unless they make that. And I was

1243
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 1: just fortunate to be you know, there to them as

1244
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 1: they did that. Okay, now there is one thing. There

1245
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,560
Speaker 1: was a mistake made by coach and he kind of

1246
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: sort of sort of admitted it after the game. You're

1247
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 1: up to and he kazoo back who was the great

1248
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 1: free threw it makes the first, he hasn't missed the second.

1249
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 1: Now the thinking is, all right, if we missed the second,

1250
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 1: the clock runs and can't set up a play. But

1251
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how if you if you make the

1252
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 1: free throw, it's three points. It takes losing essentially out

1253
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 1: of the equation, right, like, isn't that a in the

1254
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: And they go back and yes, it worked, because he

1255
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: kind of said afterwards like, hey, well it worked, would

1256
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: you do it again? Like I don't know, which probably

1257
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 1: means no. You were sitting there next to him and

1258
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: this this decision has come to what are we twelve

1259
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 1: years later mistake? Well, I was surprised, and I think

1260
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 1: we were surprised because you know, the court's higher and

1261
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: then we're like eye level to the floor, and you know,

1262
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: I think we were surprised, but we trust coach, you know,

1263
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 1: and I think he felt like our team was was

1264
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 1: running on fumes, which it was, and he made a

1265
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 1: bet that that play wasn't gonna happen, and we were

1266
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 1: the game was gonna end, period because in overtime. I

1267
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: don't think he felt good about us going to overtime

1268
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: based on where we were at as a group. So um, yeah,

1269
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 1: you know, fortunately, I'll tell you what it made for

1270
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 1: good TV. So that balls in the balls in the air,

1271
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 1: and people forget that, uh that they had a base,

1272
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 1: uh that they had a baseline drive possession before right

1273
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: there was a much kind of cleaner Hayward had had

1274
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: a floater on the baseline that he missed, but the

1275
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 1: stream because crunching screen comes and all of a sudden,

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01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 1: he launches one in the air. Remember what you're thinking

1277
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: of what you're saying. Yeah, you know, even before that

1278
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 1: you talked about that baseline shot. Butler had a couple

1279
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 1: out of two out of bounds under shortly before that.

1280
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously Brad is he's unbelievable. Coach and

1281
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: he but they were great out of bounds under and

1282
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 1: coach made an adjustment where instead of having guys match

1283
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: up with their traditional matchups, he put zoobec Is a

1284
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 1: mountain of a man on the ball, which took away

1285
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: that took away the vision of the inbound er where

1286
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: they weren't going to score on their national inbound action.

1287
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 1: And the team that we had was smart enough to

1288
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 1: be cross matched and then fix it on the fly

1289
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 1: in a high pressure situation, which they did. And on

1290
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: that baseline drive uh By Hayward zoo Back went from

1291
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 1: guarding the out of bounds under two contesting the shot.

1292
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: So instead of powing a straight line a straight line drive,

1293
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: Hayward had to take an off balance fade away well,

1294
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: which smissed. It's a harder shot so straight line drive,

1295
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:53,560
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna dunk it or make it. But Brian's

1296
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: ability to like take away their first action make them

1297
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: make a play essentially because of the action is busted

1298
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 1: and then contest. The play that was made was it

1299
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: was huge and that's when he got found and went

1300
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 1: to the valance. Um, so you know, like those little

1301
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: things are are pretty incredible. It was. It was a great,

1302
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 1: great call by coach. Um is that in game or

1303
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 1: is it that in Preppy made that position? That was

1304
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 1: in game? I mean that was that was a field thing,

1305
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: like we we've we got to do something because buckets

1306
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 1: were hard to come by. I mean, I don't remember

1307
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: that the final score was in the fifties, and I

1308
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 1: don't remember exactly what it was, but buckets were really

1309
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: because they were physical. I mean they looked like fire boys,

1310
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 1: but they played like convicts. Who came up who came

1311
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 1: up with that line? Because just say, you know that

1312
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: same year, I believe it was that year I was

1313
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 1: in Hawaii covering then yeah, and Perdue was there and

1314
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: that's what Paint told me. Paints like, hey man, they

1315
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 1: looked like choir boys, but they hit you like compics, right,

1316
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 1: he's like, he's like, don't don't let those clin cat

1317
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: taste for you. They're the most physical motherfucker's you've ever seen.

1318
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 1: And then you watch them, they're like, yeah, they were physical.

1319
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,560
Speaker 1: And so it's the fifty fifty point game in the

1320
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: National Championship. And I'm sure people that are like not

1321
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: who tuned into the National Championship because the big sporting

1322
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: event and not kind of like the die hards that

1323
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 1: tune in all year round, probably wouldn't recognize that or

1324
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 1: want to see a higher scoring game. But it was

1325
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 1: a blood bath and we fortunately we scored a lot

1326
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: on our I think one of the reasons we won

1327
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 1: is because we scored on out of bounds under and

1328
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 1: two of them at the end of shot clock, which

1329
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 1: pretty much played against them. In the end of shot

1330
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 1: clock on offense, we got a couple of buckets there

1331
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: out of bounds under short clock at the rim, and

1332
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 1: that was I think an untold story of the game.

1333
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: And then we go out of bounds, a yeah, who

1334
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 1: was no dead ball. It's it's honestly like, those are

1335
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: the things that we don't I've always felt like we

1336
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 1: do a terrible job in broad Kennessey. We don't allow

1337
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 1: something to understand the guy's confidence. I don't care what

1338
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: his numbers are. Confidence can completely sway not just a

1339
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 1: college kid but a pros. Well, okay, we talked about momentum,

1340
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 1: and a lot of it is the person, the human

1341
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: beings confidence right, how they've been playing, how their their coaches, etcetera.

1342
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 1: We don't talk. We use the word culture, but we

1343
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 1: don't really allow people to understand the differences in the

1344
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: quality cultures and in others. And then you know, like

1345
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:43,640
Speaker 1: look in soccer you have set pieces. You know. In

1346
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 1: in football, you know you have they called explosive plays.

1347
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 1: You know where you're you're you're dialing up, you're setting up,

1348
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 1: You've got four or five explosives for getting you know

1349
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 1: the right personnel groupings. And in basketball, out of it's

1350
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: a t o. S have become something that we talk about,

1351
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: but it's an art to stop somebody. You know Villanova

1352
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 1: for example, so they they keep track of how many

1353
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: points you scored on out of bounds plays for every game.

1354
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody does whatever, but their passion for it

1355
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:18,759
Speaker 1: and the way when they practice and understanding every action

1356
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 1: you do is spectators part of their culture what they do.

1357
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 1: So let me ask you who's in charge? Who's the

1358
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 1: ob guys? You who's the OBI guy at this point?

1359
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 1: So the way we did it that year, uh and

1360
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 1: and really most of our time was Chris and I

1361
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 1: split up scouts, so I had the butler scout. Um.

1362
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 1: So you you're responsible for everything off, you know, like

1363
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: suggesting what you felt like would work offensively, um, the

1364
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 1: things they ran out of the mountains under half court,

1365
01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So, but I mean the ajustment to

1366
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 1: zoo back was off coach. It was all coach. No,

1367
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 1: But I mean the offense the place offensively? Who does

1368
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:11,560
Speaker 1: And now I was I was under the impression that

1369
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:15,759
Speaker 1: you guys were um a lot like Coach Night's teams

1370
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 1: where there's basically one in bounds play and there was

1371
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: a read off. It was it like that? Or by

1372
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: that time, had you put in a bunch of different

1373
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 1: looks um? There? Now there was more than there was

1374
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 1: a set with a number of options off of it. Um.

1375
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 1: So you you would be in our primary out of bounds,

1376
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 1: under our primary two out of bounds under your you

1377
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: would be in the set that looks similar, although we're

1378
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 1: looking for different things, and we're having different actions or

1379
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 1: movements based on the audible that's called in addition to

1380
01:24:54,760 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 1: the base formation, players call the audible coaches altho um.

1381
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 1: There's some there. There's some that are automatic depending on

1382
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 1: how the defense it is playing, that the player could

1383
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 1: could just have the power to make a read um.

1384
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: And then there were others that most of the time

1385
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 1: it was it was why coach saw and this would

1386
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 1: work against what they're doing, or we want to get

1387
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 1: this person eight shots because of the game situation and

1388
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 1: what's going on in the game when you so so.

1389
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 1: Now let's fast forward to Marquette. Okay, so you get

1390
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 1: the job. There's a lot in getting a job, and

1391
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 1: I'm sure, like you guys, aren't blind effort done. You

1392
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 1: know that Quinn, there's some success, there's some failure, not

1393
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 1: all of it basketball related, in his first shot, right

1394
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 1: you go to Johnny, there's some success. There's some failure

1395
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 1: in his first job. I mean, obviously, you know, Chris

1396
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 1: had early success, been hard at Northwestern, Mike Brave was

1397
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 1: great at Delaware. You've been really really good at at

1398
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 1: another day. Tommy. Tommy had some success that seen Hall.

1399
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 1: Then it kind of got away from him, felt like

1400
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 1: he recruited guys that he didn't love coaching. Then he

1401
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 1: goes to Michigan, doesn't work, goes to Harvard. They've had

1402
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 1: more success in Harvard in his time than they've ever

1403
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 1: had before. So there's all these different guys that have

1404
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 1: left building and had various levels of success and failure.

1405
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 1: But the narrative is okay. The narrative is, you guys

1406
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: think you can't do it outside of camp. You know,

1407
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 1: they don't write, you're not blind effort. Then you know

1408
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: that you get the marquette job. What's in your mind

1409
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 1: as to how you want to build it so that

1410
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 1: it's you can win and it's sustainable. Yeah, you know,

1411
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: to to your your first point. Um, yeah, I think

1412
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: the narratives when you're in the public eye, Uh, and

1413
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 1: you're you're trying to stay on top of what's being

1414
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 1: said because that's your job. Really what part of your job? Yeah,

1415
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 1: you can hear those things, Um you know I I yeah. Again,

1416
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 1: varying levels of success, some failures and ebbs and flows.

1417
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 1: I think across the board that could be said, uh,

1418
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 1: for for most coaching trees. The difference is that the

1419
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 1: bar that we are compared to is the best of

1420
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 1: all time? Yeah, I mean you know, like you know,

1421
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 1: he didn't go to seven final fours nine years like

1422
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 1: what a bust. Um. Yeah, So I you know, all

1423
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 1: those I think any any evaluation of how somebody is doing,

1424
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 1: I think it's fair and that's natural in the sports works,

1425
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:57,879
Speaker 1: that's what we do. I think at times the narrative

1426
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 1: is overblown. Um. And some of it I think has

1427
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 1: to do with the fact that, you know, the bar

1428
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 1: we're trying to compete with is a bar that no

1429
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 1: one we'll ever me. Um. So you know, again, when

1430
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 1: when I took the Marquette job, you know, I think

1431
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 1: the advice I got more than not from the guys

1432
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: I trust and I'm close to, is to be yourself. Um.

1433
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: But also it took the lessons I learned from Duke.

1434
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to recruit really good kids, try to create

1435
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 1: an environment that was conducive to their growth as players

1436
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 1: and as people, um and and hopefully build something that

1437
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 1: would be sustainable. Um. And you know I had. It's

1438
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 1: funny a lot of my friends and people that I'm

1439
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: close to are more piste off at Marquette than I am.

1440
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 1: I had a great I had a I am great

1441
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:03,599
Speaker 1: full from my experience in Markett for them taking they

1442
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:06,560
Speaker 1: did not have to hire me, and they did and

1443
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: a lot of the things that went on there, uh

1444
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 1: are were incredibly valuable and meant a lot to me. Um.

1445
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 1: We had some success, obviously not the level that that

1446
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: I wanted and obviously not the level of Markette wanted. UM.

1447
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 1: But was that it? Though? Like? Is that it is that?

1448
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 1: I mean? Was it just because you're like the year

1449
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 1: before you get fired, you're yeys are really good? Really?

1450
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:38,600
Speaker 1: I mean it was it just? Was it just you

1451
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 1: didn't win it off? Was it somebody didn't like you?

1452
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:44,600
Speaker 1: Like it didn't It wasn't like we went there and

1453
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 1: the and the program was just a mess, right like that?

1454
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 1: That's that's the point where I understand, like I know

1455
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 1: Marquette really well, just because I almost went there my

1456
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 1: game was and so you know, like like any place

1457
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 1: like you really study, like all right, and they've had

1458
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: some really good coaches and they've had some high highs,

1459
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 1: but they've also had some like look like it's not

1460
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 1: a let's just roll them out. Everybody comes to market

1461
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 1: and let's just go play. You know that Also, the

1462
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 1: league changes like a lot of things changed that people

1463
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 1: who don't really know bull understanding. But was that simply

1464
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:20,680
Speaker 1: in Was it just I thought they should have one

1465
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 1: more Well, I think that was part of it. And

1466
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, at the end of my

1467
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: time there, there there was thought by people. And again

1468
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 1: I loved the people I work with, mean Dr Mike g. Lovell,

1469
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 1: Bill Show Broker, Mike Broker, who was like the associated

1470
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 1: They were awesome, they were great to work with and

1471
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: their friends and they're still friends. Um. I think as

1472
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 1: we talked at the end of my last year, there

1473
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 1: is a difference opinion and some of the some of

1474
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 1: the ways the programs should be ron and and handled,

1475
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 1: and they were they were sure of what they thought,

1476
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 1: and I was sure of what I thought. And I

1477
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:08,639
Speaker 1: think at the end of the day there there there

1478
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be a compromise. Um, which is fine. There.

1479
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 1: That's well within their right to have a strong opinion

1480
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 1: of a program that they're in. They're my boss's and

1481
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,560
Speaker 1: as the caretaker of the program, I'm with him. I

1482
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 1: right to have an opinion of what I want to

1483
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 1: do with the people and with the program, and so

1484
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 1: um we we essentially could not come to an agreement

1485
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:41,880
Speaker 1: on how that was gonna work out. And you know,

1486
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 1: the the we missed out on the NA tournament because

1487
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 1: a COVID tournament we would have been in the N tournament.

1488
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 1: And then the following year we lost We lost the

1489
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 1: number of guys that were key players Marcus Howard's car

1490
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 1: for a number of years. So we were going through

1491
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:59,719
Speaker 1: kind of a regeneration with with younger, really talented guys.

1492
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I felt great about Dawson Garcia and Justin

1493
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 1: Let mean, those two guys are big time players, and

1494
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 1: some of the other young guys needed needed to grow.

1495
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 1: And we didn't have a good year. And in COVID

1496
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 1: those two years, UM, with what everybody had gone through

1497
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:24,640
Speaker 1: personally with their families, UM, I wanted to stay the

1498
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 1: course because I felt like that would work. UM. And

1499
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 1: and that's not what they wanted to do, which is

1500
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 1: which is fine, give me, give you, give me one

1501
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:38,680
Speaker 1: thing that that you disagreed on, that you stuck your

1502
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 1: heels in the dirt, like this same change. What was it?

1503
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 1: I think some of the people in and around the

1504
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 1: program in their role, UM, you know, we we we

1505
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 1: had different opinions on that. What is that like because

1506
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 1: you are You're not a halfway guy. You know you're not.

1507
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 1: It's like going back to our conversation about your dad.

1508
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna do it, You're gonna do this right right. Well,

1509
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:07,720
Speaker 1: what is it like though, when you're an all in

1510
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:12,680
Speaker 1: guy and and you lose that job? What what is emotionally?

1511
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 1: What is that like? Um? You know, it's a it's

1512
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 1: a bad day for your ego, but in hinds, it's

1513
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 1: ended up being a great day for my soul. You know,

1514
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:30,760
Speaker 1: I'm at peace with what happened there. Um, and I'm

1515
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 1: thankful for the experiences I had as the head coach

1516
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: at Market and some of the relationships that I built

1517
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 1: and the kids I got the coach and the things

1518
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 1: that we accomplished together. And um, so I'm I'm I'm

1519
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:46,760
Speaker 1: I'm at peace with it. You know. It's funny when

1520
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:51,679
Speaker 1: I was coaching a Duke because he is a young guy. Dr.

1521
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:55,680
Speaker 1: Keith Brody was the president of Duke, and he was

1522
01:33:55,760 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 1: a great friend and he's a brilliant, brilliant human being. Okay,

1523
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 1: and you know he said he you know, like he

1524
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:09,639
Speaker 1: just like teachers get sabbaticals, he felt, in his opinion,

1525
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 1: as a person in higher education that for coaches, like

1526
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 1: being able to step away from the grind, um and

1527
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:25,919
Speaker 1: reflect and catch your thoughts and uh try to gain clarity.

1528
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 1: Could all could all would be a great thing. Now

1529
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 1: coaches can't do that obviously, UM, but I've I've had

1530
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:37,720
Speaker 1: the opportunity because of the decision to do that, and

1531
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:43,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm eternally grateful, you know, Uh, as hard as

1532
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 1: it was going through it when you're in the moment

1533
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 1: of it, and so so it's it's it's been a

1534
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:55,479
Speaker 1: great year for me, you know. I mean, no one

1535
01:34:55,640 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 1: wants to get fired and uh to include me, but

1536
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 1: I've tried to make the best of the situation and

1537
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:06,599
Speaker 1: I've gained things in this year away from the game,

1538
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 1: um that I wouldn't trade for being in the game. Um.

1539
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:18,559
Speaker 1: Of those things like you and what you've hiked, right,

1540
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 1: you've done. What's what's what's the best hike you've got? Well,

1541
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 1: the best thing, you know, the best thing I've done

1542
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 1: this year is I've stayed in coaching. But it's my

1543
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:36,760
Speaker 1: eighth grader's football team and my sixth graders basketball team.

1544
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 1: You know there as you know, Doug from your own experiences,

1545
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 1: there's a ton of reward at different levels in being

1546
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:53,799
Speaker 1: a part of college basketball, whether it's a player, coach,

1547
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:58,400
Speaker 1: systemt coach, head coach, there's there's immense rewards and we

1548
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 1: were lucky to have of had that in our lives.

1549
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 1: But there's also costs, you know. There it doesn't come

1550
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:09,240
Speaker 1: without a price. I don't care if your player, assistant

1551
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 1: coach or head coach. And you know, one of the

1552
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:17,080
Speaker 1: things that I always struggled with was, like, guy, I

1553
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 1: would have loved to have whole been more involved in

1554
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 1: my kid's life and and it didn't happen. And some

1555
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 1: of that's my fault and some of that's just part

1556
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:31,800
Speaker 1: of the job. So to be able to coach my sons, uh,

1557
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:35,639
Speaker 1: it's been that was And I don't know anything about football,

1558
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:38,800
Speaker 1: And if you asked me my role, I would say

1559
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:41,640
Speaker 1: I was like a quality control guy as opposed to

1560
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 1: an O C or dc um. But it was awesome.

1561
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 1: And the car rides to and front practice. Yeah, I

1562
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 1: would not trade for anything, the best, the best part

1563
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 1: of the whole thing. You know. I told my son

1564
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:02,160
Speaker 1: last night, coach him. And by the way, how good

1565
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 1: your sixth rider? He's not bad, you know, what he's Uh,

1566
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 1: he loves it. He's a little guy. I mean he's

1567
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 1: but he and he's he he loves it and he

1568
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:22,480
Speaker 1: and he plays with so much joy um and and enthusiasm.

1569
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:24,680
Speaker 1: And I love that. I love that. I don't know

1570
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 1: how good I'll be, and frankly, I don't really care.

1571
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 1: I mean, if he loves it, then he should go

1572
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:32,639
Speaker 1: after it. I just asked. Because I'm trying to take

1573
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:34,720
Speaker 1: you can talk about the things. So what I'm trying

1574
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 1: to do you'll appreciate this is I've tried to be

1575
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 1: able to do my job and still coach because what

1576
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 1: frustrates me is I get to this time of the

1577
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:48,640
Speaker 1: year and I coached these kids and there are saturdays

1578
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 1: of the tournament were occasionally a Sunday, you know, which

1579
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 1: is like the bracket play, and I can't coach. And

1580
01:37:56,640 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 1: it's the hardest thing ever. It's like somebody else, you know,

1581
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:02,600
Speaker 1: trying to watch your TV. You know, they don't know

1582
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:05,760
Speaker 1: the buttons, they don't know anything. Plus I lose out

1583
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 1: of that experience of watching my son, the good and

1584
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:13,680
Speaker 1: bad whatever. So um, I did this. I took one

1585
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,640
Speaker 1: weekend off and we went to Bedlam. I took in

1586
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:18,480
Speaker 1: a bedroom, and then we played a tournament in Oklahoma,

1587
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:21,559
Speaker 1: bunch California kids. And then I had another weekend where

1588
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 1: I had a game and we took them to Vegas

1589
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:26,720
Speaker 1: and I did my game and we we played a

1590
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 1: tournament so I could do all of it together. So

1591
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:33,599
Speaker 1: next week I'm doing the Big ten tournament and I'm

1592
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:36,600
Speaker 1: trying to get my group to go to Indie and

1593
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 1: play in a tournament. And because I already have the

1594
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:41,679
Speaker 1: game times, I can send the tournament my game times

1595
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:43,600
Speaker 1: and I can do all of them. So it's like

1596
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:45,759
Speaker 1: the best of both worms. Like I get to because

1597
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm my coaching. You know, Look, I need to be

1598
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:52,280
Speaker 1: there two hours before and then when the game's done,

1599
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 1: I'm done, done, done. So I'm trying to do both

1600
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:59,439
Speaker 1: things at once. So people have to come play, to

1601
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 1: come playing at money to hear let's go next week. Yeah,

1602
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:09,040
Speaker 1: that would be fun. I've done. I've done quite a bit.

1603
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:11,000
Speaker 1: You know, It's not like I sat on my hands.

1604
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 1: Uh this year and when I got fired after kind

1605
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 1: of the fog of of you know, the haze of

1606
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 1: what your mind is going through, I said, this year

1607
01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 1: I had opportunities to get right back in it, And Um,

1608
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:33,960
Speaker 1: I said, I've decided to take a year and I

1609
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 1: want to focus on four things and those are my family,

1610
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:42,560
Speaker 1: my friends, moving and learning and for me, all my

1611
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:47,640
Speaker 1: decisions will be based upon those four things. And I'm

1612
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:50,400
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna try to be intentional about my investment

1613
01:39:50,439 --> 01:39:54,360
Speaker 1: in those four areas every day. And I have been, Um,

1614
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, kids, I've done everything right every day, but

1615
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:01,840
Speaker 1: I've tried to be firstful about those four areas and

1616
01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:08,120
Speaker 1: it's it's created a good a good time for me. Um.

1617
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:18,320
Speaker 1: Is there any regret over taking the job because I'd

1618
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:24,640
Speaker 1: just stayed it would be your job at do No, No,

1619
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:30,080
Speaker 1: there there's not. Um. The Duke programs in great hands

1620
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,799
Speaker 1: with John. Uh. You know, I had a great fortune

1621
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 1: too to meet John as a high school player to

1622
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:40,400
Speaker 1: be a part of the recruitment and coaching for four years.

1623
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:47,360
Speaker 1: And Duke basketball is in great hands. And he he's

1624
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:50,680
Speaker 1: he's really good at what he does. He's an incredible

1625
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:57,559
Speaker 1: human being. He's smart, he works, and I think they'll

1626
01:40:57,640 --> 01:41:01,240
Speaker 1: be great And so I don't And maybe as I've

1627
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:03,800
Speaker 1: gotten older. You know, when you're younger, you always bring

1628
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:07,680
Speaker 1: the ship from your past into your present. You know,

1629
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:10,840
Speaker 1: like you're angry at something, a situation, a person, and

1630
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:15,000
Speaker 1: you carry that with you and it actually doesn't serve

1631
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 1: you at all. Um, it's very human. It's very human.

1632
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:23,120
Speaker 1: I mean I can tell you like you know, I

1633
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:27,360
Speaker 1: mean I've left, you know, when I left ESPN, I

1634
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 1: one of the reasons I had full knowledge of, like, hey,

1635
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:33,679
Speaker 1: this guy's ahead of me and he signed a new deal,

1636
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 1: and this guy's a had of me. He signed a

1637
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:39,000
Speaker 1: deal so I can resign, that can stay here, you know,

1638
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:43,360
Speaker 1: but you know I might not grow and then you

1639
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:46,960
Speaker 1: leave and you're like, oh, man, I just been more patient,

1640
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:49,960
Speaker 1: that would have happened. You know, there's coaching jobs that

1641
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:52,519
Speaker 1: I've talked to people about if I would have gotten

1642
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:55,360
Speaker 1: that job, this would have happened, you know. Um, it's

1643
01:41:55,479 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 1: it is a very natural human thing to think. But

1644
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:02,600
Speaker 1: it's it's amazing that you're you're able to process it

1645
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 1: in a way which there is no bitterness or even

1646
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:08,880
Speaker 1: and it's it's really self defeating, right, Like, man, why

1647
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:10,240
Speaker 1: did I like, did you were the head coach and

1648
01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 1: Marquette when the tournament had done the money? Like those

1649
01:42:13,240 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 1: are invaluable experiences or or maybe maybe it's not are

1650
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 1: you taking the job, but had you just had it

1651
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 1: worked out a little bit better at the end, what

1652
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:23,720
Speaker 1: do you have called you? I don't know, Like I

1653
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:27,200
Speaker 1: don't know what what when you? When you? When? You know?

1654
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 1: Because everybody has those moments. Haven't you had any of

1655
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 1: those moments where you start going like, man, if the

1656
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:35,840
Speaker 1: butterfly effect, if one decision would have been different, that

1657
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:40,719
Speaker 1: would have been me. Yeah, yeah, you know, I haven't. Again,

1658
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:46,920
Speaker 1: I have more people asking me about scenarios that didn't

1659
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:51,800
Speaker 1: happen than I think about um because it's it's it's

1660
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 1: interesting to talk about, right. I mean that's especially due basketball.

1661
01:42:55,439 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 1: It's like everybody has an opinion and and people are

1662
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:02,439
Speaker 1: waiting to plant their flag on one side of the

1663
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 1: opinion or the other. Um. But I mean when I

1664
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:10,200
Speaker 1: left from Marquette, that was the thrip. I was ready,

1665
01:43:10,280 --> 01:43:13,320
Speaker 1: it was time. It was time. I was emotionally ready

1666
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:18,400
Speaker 1: for for a new challenge, and Markette was a great

1667
01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:21,040
Speaker 1: place to go to. So once you you, once you

1668
01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:25,719
Speaker 1: make that commitment. I didn't. There's really been no looking

1669
01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:30,840
Speaker 1: back for me when when coaching at Marquette, Like look,

1670
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:34,519
Speaker 1: losing the Housers was big, and what I didn't understand

1671
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 1: was they It wasn't like they weren't playing. It wasn't

1672
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:43,639
Speaker 1: like they were an outsider. Is it was your three

1673
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:47,840
Speaker 1: stars in their ability to all coexist. Now a couple

1674
01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:52,360
Speaker 1: of years later, Um, could you have managed it differently?

1675
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:56,240
Speaker 1: Is there? Is there? What's the what's the lesson taken

1676
01:43:56,280 --> 01:44:00,519
Speaker 1: away from what happened with that group? Yeah, I certainly

1677
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:04,400
Speaker 1: wish I could have made it work, you know, And

1678
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't think grudge them, you know. Yeah, I wish

1679
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:14,280
Speaker 1: I would have done a better job of making it work.

1680
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:18,880
Speaker 1: And obviously I didn't, or else they wouldn't have left. Um,

1681
01:44:20,120 --> 01:44:22,320
Speaker 1: it was a it was a really hard loss for

1682
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:27,240
Speaker 1: our program, There's no question about that. I mean Sam especially,

1683
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:30,479
Speaker 1: I only had Joey for a year and uh, and

1684
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 1: I thought Joey was going to be the hell of

1685
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:35,400
Speaker 1: a player for US and all conference player for US.

1686
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:39,240
Speaker 1: UM that Sam for three years. And I love Sam,

1687
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:41,680
Speaker 1: I mean he was, he was a great player for

1688
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:46,000
Speaker 1: US and UH, and so that was a hard that

1689
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:50,960
Speaker 1: was hard for them to leave. And yeah, I wish,

1690
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 1: I wish I would have had the answers that would

1691
01:44:55,800 --> 01:45:00,080
Speaker 1: have been suitable for everybody's staying. But I didn't. And

1692
01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:02,519
Speaker 1: but I did the best I could with what I

1693
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 1: knew how to, but it was it was It's such

1694
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 1: a different world though, right because you know, and again

1695
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 1: you tell me if I'm way off, feel free, okay,

1696
01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:20,160
Speaker 1: But you know, the the emotion and passion that you

1697
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:22,760
Speaker 1: coach with that you live every day with is the

1698
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:25,160
Speaker 1: same one that you relate to your players with and

1699
01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:29,919
Speaker 1: then you recruit with. But with guys ability to transfer

1700
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:32,200
Speaker 1: and not set out, And it's also just kind of

1701
01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:38,720
Speaker 1: become the thing right that they're not as connected to

1702
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:41,800
Speaker 1: the school or to the coach as they used to be.

1703
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:44,719
Speaker 1: And I think the coaches are then like, wait a second,

1704
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:47,519
Speaker 1: I can't get as close to these kids because if

1705
01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:49,920
Speaker 1: I do, they all leave it. I'm gonna I'm gonna

1706
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:51,479
Speaker 1: have a heart attack, you know, I'm gonna. It's just

1707
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:53,920
Speaker 1: gonna wear You're at like, you can't. You can't let

1708
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:55,320
Speaker 1: it beat you up. You gotta get in the portal

1709
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 1: and get the next kid. But it's just a it's

1710
01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 1: a weird place for people like yourself and the culture

1711
01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:07,719
Speaker 1: that you try and build, like you can't we're gonna

1712
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:14,599
Speaker 1: change him. Um So I'm just wondering how, like, if

1713
01:46:14,720 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 1: that's going to take a complete adjustment or if there's

1714
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:20,960
Speaker 1: if it's going to have to be level that you

1715
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:23,519
Speaker 1: coach at like the next time around, because it will

1716
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 1: be the next one. How do you adjust considering so

1717
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:32,160
Speaker 1: much of the culture of the sport is changing and evoval, Yeah,

1718
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:36,200
Speaker 1: the sport has changed. And when I say it's changed

1719
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:39,960
Speaker 1: that I don't like, it's not like, oh it's bad,

1720
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:43,600
Speaker 1: it's just different. And you you have to have a

1721
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:51,640
Speaker 1: different mentality because as you say, uh, the the decisions

1722
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 1: and the relationships and not in every case, let's not

1723
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:59,920
Speaker 1: over generalize, uh things, there's more like instant rat of

1724
01:47:00,040 --> 01:47:02,360
Speaker 1: vacation for lack of a better like it needs to

1725
01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 1: it needs to hit, and it needs to hit well

1726
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:08,880
Speaker 1: enough for the player, everybody around the player and the

1727
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 1: program to feel good about it or else there's a

1728
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:15,840
Speaker 1: chance of what's across the defense may be better. And

1729
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:20,479
Speaker 1: so um, I think you have to shift your mindset

1730
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 1: that that's just the way it is. And again not

1731
01:47:24,200 --> 01:47:26,000
Speaker 1: saying the way it is there's good or bad. I'm

1732
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:28,200
Speaker 1: not making a judgment there, but that's the way it is.

1733
01:47:28,280 --> 01:47:34,280
Speaker 1: There's gonna be there's gonna be tons of movement players

1734
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:39,080
Speaker 1: and coaches year after year, and you have to have

1735
01:47:39,240 --> 01:47:41,720
Speaker 1: the mindset to be able to adapt then adjust to

1736
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:47,479
Speaker 1: that and to move quickly, uh, knowing that that's a

1737
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:50,720
Speaker 1: distinct possibility, and then figure out if that's for you,

1738
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:54,360
Speaker 1: because that's a choice to write, Like, like, if you're

1739
01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:56,320
Speaker 1: going to choose to live in that environment, you need

1740
01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 1: to understand what comes with it and are you okay

1741
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:03,680
Speaker 1: a living there? Because if you're not, you're gonna be miserable. Um,

1742
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:08,719
Speaker 1: that's fascinating. Like looking at your two thousand ten championship team,

1743
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:14,320
Speaker 1: how many of those big guys stay long enough to

1744
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:19,880
Speaker 1: be on that team if it wasn't two thousand twenty. Yeah,

1745
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:23,600
Speaker 1: it's a great it's a great question. And I I

1746
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:28,439
Speaker 1: leaned towards saying probably not all of them, um, but

1747
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:31,840
Speaker 1: after knowing them, I'm I believe, like I want to

1748
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:35,400
Speaker 1: stay all of them, but the reality that may probably

1749
01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:40,479
Speaker 1: not be the case. But didn't you didn't you? Or

1750
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:45,519
Speaker 1: or uh you went so you went somewhere where you're

1751
01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:52,920
Speaker 1: you're you're posting you No, it was so a friend

1752
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:58,960
Speaker 1: of mine, UM named Jesse Hitsler puts on these events. Uh.

1753
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:04,480
Speaker 1: And it's an endurance event and it's called and and Basically,

1754
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:09,840
Speaker 1: the goal is to bring the chance to hike the

1755
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:13,839
Speaker 1: vertical equivalent of Mount Everest to you in the States.

1756
01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:16,760
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't I don't know that I'll

1757
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:20,920
Speaker 1: ever hike Mount Everest for real, but this, this event

1758
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:26,040
Speaker 1: is you. You. You were challenged with hiking the vertical

1759
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:31,479
Speaker 1: vertical equivalent twenty nine thousand feet vertical climb in a

1760
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:37,680
Speaker 1: thirty six hour window on a mountain in Utah. And uh,

1761
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:42,000
Speaker 1: the way my participation came about was my best friend

1762
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:46,360
Speaker 1: growing up during the COVID the first COVID year, it

1763
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:51,000
Speaker 1: was diagnosed with throat cancer. And you know, COVID hit

1764
01:49:51,080 --> 01:49:53,599
Speaker 1: everybody differently, but I think it was hard for everybody.

1765
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:56,519
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm human, so there's parts of it

1766
01:49:56,600 --> 01:49:58,640
Speaker 1: that were hard for me too. And one of the

1767
01:49:58,720 --> 01:50:01,960
Speaker 1: hard parts was seeing my best friend go through cancer.

1768
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:05,760
Speaker 1: And so this was even before I got fired. Um.

1769
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:08,680
Speaker 1: You know, one day I called and called him at

1770
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:12,360
Speaker 1: the hospital to check up on them. And I knew

1771
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 1: about this event because I'm close to Jesse and my

1772
01:50:14,479 --> 01:50:17,120
Speaker 1: wife had actually done it a couple of years earlier.

1773
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:20,479
Speaker 1: And I called him and I said, hey, man, um,

1774
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:23,360
Speaker 1: you know, I was just thinking about jin you know,

1775
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:25,680
Speaker 1: We've talked about how hard this has been for you.

1776
01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:28,800
Speaker 1: So I don't know how you're gonna feel, you know,

1777
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, eight months from now. But if you're up

1778
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:37,639
Speaker 1: for it, and you you you beat this thing's asked

1779
01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:39,400
Speaker 1: and you're done with your treatments and you're on the

1780
01:50:39,560 --> 01:50:41,880
Speaker 1: road to recovery, I would love to do this event

1781
01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 1: called with you. It would be a great you know,

1782
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:51,040
Speaker 1: be a great chance for us to to connect again

1783
01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:53,280
Speaker 1: in a meaningful way, as opposed to you coming to

1784
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:56,840
Speaker 1: my games or us texting each other, like, I want

1785
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:58,680
Speaker 1: to do something meaningful with you, because you mean a lot.

1786
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:03,519
Speaker 1: And I thought he I thought he was gonna say no, um,

1787
01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:07,559
Speaker 1: you know, because he's going through like fighting for his life. Um.

1788
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, I'll do it. And I said great,

1789
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:17,320
Speaker 1: I signed this up two weeks ago, and we're gonna

1790
01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:20,640
Speaker 1: fly out to Utah uh in eight months, and we're

1791
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:24,920
Speaker 1: gonna climb that fucker. Uh. And so that's how that's

1792
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:30,200
Speaker 1: how it came to be. And then, uh, you know,

1793
01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:33,120
Speaker 1: obviously he passed forward. I got fired and moved to

1794
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:36,840
Speaker 1: move to our home in Park City. Uh. So the

1795
01:51:36,920 --> 01:51:42,000
Speaker 1: altitude adjustment took care of itself for me. Uh, he

1796
01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:46,680
Speaker 1: he was able to get a clean bill of health. Uh,

1797
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:51,400
Speaker 1: he started training and uh getting in shape and started

1798
01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:54,720
Speaker 1: a new health journey and we were able to to

1799
01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:58,280
Speaker 1: share you know, a weekend together on a mountain where

1800
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:03,680
Speaker 1: we got to have really meaningful time together, UM and

1801
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:11,320
Speaker 1: act like kids again, which which was priceless. Um. You

1802
01:52:11,439 --> 01:52:15,960
Speaker 1: mentioned coaching. You know kids wives, they take this stuff

1803
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:20,439
Speaker 1: even harder than the coaches do. UM. And you know

1804
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:24,639
Speaker 1: you've been coaching football and basketball. What's happened like though

1805
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:27,479
Speaker 1: for them where they don't have Dad's team to cheer

1806
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:31,160
Speaker 1: for and the players to connect with. What what's that

1807
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:34,960
Speaker 1: experience been like? You know, I think it's it's definitely

1808
01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:38,160
Speaker 1: been different because that's all they knew. Uh. You know

1809
01:52:38,240 --> 01:52:44,240
Speaker 1: in both my immediate family and friends that have followed family,

1810
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:46,680
Speaker 1: friends that have followed my journey, they've they've kind of

1811
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:50,599
Speaker 1: always had a cheer a team to cheer for, um,

1812
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, by extension of me, um, And so I

1813
01:52:54,280 --> 01:52:58,040
Speaker 1: think that's been different. Uh. You know, fortunately, you know,

1814
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:02,040
Speaker 1: they s been part of their life in Durham and

1815
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 1: are close to the Duke program. So UM, you know,

1816
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:12,000
Speaker 1: they've they've really enjoyed coaches. Last last ride following this team.

1817
01:53:12,120 --> 01:53:16,080
Speaker 1: So that's actually been nice. So it's not like they're

1818
01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:21,240
Speaker 1: without team, it's just my role with the team is different.

1819
01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:25,080
Speaker 1: Five years from now, Where are you? What are you doing?

1820
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:29,960
Speaker 1: It's a great question, man, Um, you know, I don't know,

1821
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:34,000
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to see where where it goes. I mean,

1822
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:39,280
Speaker 1: I certainly love basketball, love coaching. Um, I'll be around

1823
01:53:39,320 --> 01:53:42,560
Speaker 1: the game and some capacity, Uh, you know, maybe with

1824
01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:45,800
Speaker 1: my own program, maybe not. You know, it's uh, I

1825
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 1: want to be really intentional about whatever I you know,

1826
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:52,960
Speaker 1: choose to do next and hopefully there'll be something that's

1827
01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:57,800
Speaker 1: exciting and we'll we'll lead me on a journey that's

1828
01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:03,360
Speaker 1: been as good as this this first you mentioned setting

1829
01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:06,080
Speaker 1: your intentions and lining out for things you want to

1830
01:54:06,160 --> 01:54:09,040
Speaker 1: do this year. Is there is there somebody who guided you?

1831
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:12,360
Speaker 1: Is there a book? Is it like you've it feels

1832
01:54:12,439 --> 01:54:15,519
Speaker 1: like you've you've reached a place of really good balance

1833
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:19,720
Speaker 1: and perspective. Um, where does that? Where does that come from?

1834
01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:23,000
Speaker 1: You know? One of the things you know and under

1835
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:27,000
Speaker 1: kod of that learning bucket? UM, I don't know about you, duck.

1836
01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:29,400
Speaker 1: You know, always marveled at friends when I was in

1837
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:32,400
Speaker 1: college or coaching that that could sit down and and

1838
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:37,200
Speaker 1: actually read a book without interruptions, because that that that

1839
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:40,240
Speaker 1: wasn't me. I had a hard time. I had a

1840
01:54:40,280 --> 01:54:42,120
Speaker 1: hard time with that. And I'm sure I have some

1841
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:46,000
Speaker 1: whether it's a d D or whatever, but that was

1842
01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:50,680
Speaker 1: always hard for me. But actually this year, um, you know,

1843
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:53,120
Speaker 1: I started out with saying I'm gonna read twenty minutes today,

1844
01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:57,080
Speaker 1: and uh, I've kind of read a little bit of everything,

1845
01:54:57,440 --> 01:55:00,760
Speaker 1: and so I think I've definitely picked up things from

1846
01:55:00,840 --> 01:55:04,920
Speaker 1: books that I've read, uh, and I've actually quite enjoy

1847
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:07,240
Speaker 1: it now and and I think I'm an idiot for

1848
01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:11,320
Speaker 1: not having done it sooner. Um. But no, you know,

1849
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:13,480
Speaker 1: I there are people that are really close to me

1850
01:55:13,640 --> 01:55:19,240
Speaker 1: that that I talked to. Um, but your mind is

1851
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:22,720
Speaker 1: racing a million miles an hour, or at least mind

1852
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:27,440
Speaker 1: was maybe not everybody's. UM when I was coaching, um

1853
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:30,720
Speaker 1: things to do, things not to do, places to be

1854
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:35,240
Speaker 1: uh one time and having a chance to slow down

1855
01:55:36,280 --> 01:55:39,480
Speaker 1: and and you know, I, like you mentioned, I hike

1856
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:43,600
Speaker 1: a lot, so by myself a lot, and that time

1857
01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:48,200
Speaker 1: to think outside and nature has been invaluable because I

1858
01:55:48,280 --> 01:55:51,240
Speaker 1: think one of the things for everybody is like is

1859
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:56,320
Speaker 1: there's there's competing interests and everything we do, Like for example,

1860
01:55:56,360 --> 01:55:59,320
Speaker 1: in basketball, there's the competing interest of always wanting to

1861
01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:02,360
Speaker 1: be there for your players, but always wanting to be

1862
01:56:02,440 --> 01:56:05,680
Speaker 1: there from your family. Can't work, you know. Um. But

1863
01:56:05,800 --> 01:56:10,320
Speaker 1: without those, you know, the competition of time and places

1864
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:12,920
Speaker 1: to be and things to do. I've tried to get

1865
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:17,440
Speaker 1: clear on what I want, um, and I'm not there. Um.

1866
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:20,240
Speaker 1: You know. I think it's probably always going to be

1867
01:56:20,280 --> 01:56:24,520
Speaker 1: a work in progress to some degree. But I really

1868
01:56:24,680 --> 01:56:29,760
Speaker 1: enjoyed the time to focus on the things that are

1869
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:32,200
Speaker 1: most important to me and and try to get clear

1870
01:56:32,240 --> 01:56:36,680
Speaker 1: about and intentional about how to uh, to do that

1871
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:39,280
Speaker 1: in the president moment where I don't have a job,

1872
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:41,840
Speaker 1: and to do that when I do have a job,

1873
01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:45,520
Speaker 1: because that's that's the ultimate goal. I don't plan on

1874
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:48,320
Speaker 1: being retired forever. I think my wife would kill me

1875
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:52,560
Speaker 1: if I did. That's the best book, best book you've

1876
01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:58,040
Speaker 1: you've read this year? Um, probably because the Top of

1877
01:56:58,120 --> 01:57:02,560
Speaker 1: Mind Atomic Habits is a great one. UM. I I

1878
01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:06,280
Speaker 1: would recommend that for anybody. I think that's I that

1879
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:12,000
Speaker 1: was a book, that's uh, that's really good. Marcus Aurelius

1880
01:57:12,120 --> 01:57:16,320
Speaker 1: is meditations. It's kind of a stoic stoic philosophy. He

1881
01:57:16,440 --> 01:57:20,360
Speaker 1: was he was a stoic um philosopher, and that was

1882
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:22,400
Speaker 1: that was good. I mean, that was way out of

1883
01:57:22,440 --> 01:57:24,440
Speaker 1: my client It's like when I'm buying it, I can't

1884
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:27,000
Speaker 1: believe it. You know, I'm used to reading Street and

1885
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:31,920
Speaker 1: Smith's and uh, you know, and and uh and stuff

1886
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:35,360
Speaker 1: like that with lots of pictures and and names of

1887
01:57:35,480 --> 01:57:38,760
Speaker 1: basketball players, so out of my comfort zone. But I'm

1888
01:57:38,920 --> 01:57:42,760
Speaker 1: but it's it's actually been pretty enjoyable to to read

1889
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:45,640
Speaker 1: and learn and to test things that you thought you

1890
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:50,120
Speaker 1: believed in and reinforce things that you you do. Uh.

1891
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:54,560
Speaker 1: One thing you'd love to tell Coach k if you

1892
01:57:54,640 --> 01:57:59,520
Speaker 1: had a private moment, Well, you know, how much time

1893
01:57:59,560 --> 01:58:03,040
Speaker 1: do I have? I guess is the the context I need?

1894
01:58:03,800 --> 01:58:11,960
Speaker 1: But look, the primary thing is how much I appreciate

1895
01:58:14,240 --> 01:58:16,760
Speaker 1: both who he is and what he's done for me

1896
01:58:16,920 --> 01:58:20,840
Speaker 1: personally and by extension that people I care about, for

1897
01:58:21,000 --> 01:58:24,320
Speaker 1: believing in a seventeen year old Polish kid on a

1898
01:58:24,440 --> 01:58:28,400
Speaker 1: team full of Russians in Neppsilanti, Michigan, taking a chance

1899
01:58:28,560 --> 01:58:32,280
Speaker 1: and sticking by me through my journey as a player,

1900
01:58:32,320 --> 01:58:36,280
Speaker 1: and believing in me enough to to be one of

1901
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:40,280
Speaker 1: his captains and one of his assistant and associate head coaches.

1902
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:47,240
Speaker 1: And um, that journey has led to as impactful friendship

1903
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:51,840
Speaker 1: as I could ever imagine. And there's nothing that I

1904
01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:57,280
Speaker 1: could do to repay him. But hopefully, UM, with what

1905
01:58:57,480 --> 01:59:00,200
Speaker 1: I've learned and taken from that friendship, I can paid

1906
01:59:00,280 --> 01:59:03,400
Speaker 1: forward to others. When you're at your parents house yesterday,

1907
01:59:03,800 --> 01:59:06,440
Speaker 1: have you told your dad how much it meant to

1908
01:59:06,520 --> 01:59:10,360
Speaker 1: your life? That what he told you he shared with

1909
01:59:10,440 --> 01:59:13,600
Speaker 1: me yesterday about you know, you come home, you come home,

1910
01:59:13,680 --> 01:59:15,680
Speaker 1: you quit, but you gotta come work at the docks.

1911
01:59:15,800 --> 01:59:20,880
Speaker 1: You work with me. We told that. I believe I have.

1912
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Speaker 1: You know, my dad's at an age where he's fighting

1913
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:31,480
Speaker 1: five father time pretty hard, yea. UM. And but there

1914
01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:35,839
Speaker 1: has been times where I've shared with him the impact

1915
01:59:35,880 --> 01:59:40,440
Speaker 1: that he's had because look, uh, in my adult my

1916
01:59:40,840 --> 01:59:43,720
Speaker 1: my late teenage years, and my young adult life, my

1917
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:47,280
Speaker 1: adult life, I've been able to achieve and be a

1918
01:59:47,360 --> 01:59:51,640
Speaker 1: part of some really special things. Um. But that none

1919
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:55,480
Speaker 1: of that happens without the foundation that was set with

1920
01:59:55,760 --> 02:00:00,120
Speaker 1: my my folks and my brother and sister. UM. You know,

1921
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Speaker 1: I'd like to think that the things that I've learned

1922
02:00:02,640 --> 02:00:07,240
Speaker 1: in the house allowed me to you know, be a

1923
02:00:07,360 --> 02:00:10,320
Speaker 1: part of other great things because I knew what I

1924
02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:12,520
Speaker 1: knew what great people were, and I knew what great

1925
02:00:12,640 --> 02:00:16,640
Speaker 1: families were, and those lessons allowed me to choose wisely

1926
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:21,600
Speaker 1: um as I got to decide who fit that role

1927
02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:25,200
Speaker 1: in my life. Um whether it be the Dow basketball

1928
02:00:25,240 --> 02:00:30,520
Speaker 1: family or the friends along the way. So I believe

1929
02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:32,120
Speaker 1: I've said it, but you know what, Doug, you can

1930
02:00:32,160 --> 02:00:34,640
Speaker 1: never say it enough, right man? Yeah no, I mean

1931
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:36,960
Speaker 1: I lost mine like seven years ago, and there's lots

1932
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:42,320
Speaker 1: of things I wish I would have just said and articulated.

1933
02:00:42,520 --> 02:00:45,440
Speaker 1: Even if I feel like he knew them. It's just

1934
02:00:45,560 --> 02:00:48,480
Speaker 1: better to have said them right to actually, you know,

1935
02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:51,240
Speaker 1: to say him out loud, to write them in a

1936
02:00:51,360 --> 02:00:54,880
Speaker 1: letter and just SAIDs just they know, maybe signing for them.

1937
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:56,960
Speaker 1: It's maybe for you, but still it does give you

1938
02:00:57,040 --> 02:01:00,800
Speaker 1: peace of mind that you that you you told somebody

1939
02:01:00,840 --> 02:01:04,800
Speaker 1: how you truly felt about them, you know. Yeah, No,

1940
02:01:05,120 --> 02:01:08,040
Speaker 1: you're right, And I think that's I think we all

1941
02:01:08,120 --> 02:01:10,560
Speaker 1: learned that at some point in time with that people

1942
02:01:10,680 --> 02:01:14,080
Speaker 1: we really care about. But you can never say I

1943
02:01:14,160 --> 02:01:17,200
Speaker 1: love you too much, that's for sure. If I come

1944
02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:21,600
Speaker 1: to Park City, is is Steve Bojahowski, the guy who

1945
02:01:21,680 --> 02:01:24,640
Speaker 1: hikes a lot. Is Steve Bojahowski the coach for Steve

1946
02:01:24,680 --> 02:01:28,720
Speaker 1: bo Jahowsky to do. Probably you'll probably see a little

1947
02:01:28,720 --> 02:01:31,000
Speaker 1: bit of all of it. I'd like to think. I'm uh,

1948
02:01:31,360 --> 02:01:33,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a product of a little bit of

1949
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:35,680
Speaker 1: all those things. But if you come to Park City,

1950
02:01:35,720 --> 02:01:39,040
Speaker 1: I guarantee you'll have a incredible time. And there's no

1951
02:01:39,680 --> 02:01:41,160
Speaker 1: what I mean is what I mean is like this

1952
02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:44,200
Speaker 1: is Park City. Is this kind of melting pot of

1953
02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:47,080
Speaker 1: people from everywhere else, Right, It's like the new kind

1954
02:01:47,120 --> 02:01:51,120
Speaker 1: of California. People go there and they go to kind

1955
02:01:51,160 --> 02:01:54,720
Speaker 1: of get get away, and I'm just I'm wondering, what, like, Hey,

1956
02:01:55,000 --> 02:01:56,400
Speaker 1: who do you temple? I want to tend to see

1957
02:01:56,400 --> 02:01:58,800
Speaker 1: my boy Steve Boakhowsky Like oh oh yeah, yeah, I

1958
02:01:58,840 --> 02:02:01,320
Speaker 1: know him, be hikes a bunch, coaches kids sports or

1959
02:02:01,960 --> 02:02:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, like it's got to be different for you

1960
02:02:04,120 --> 02:02:07,320
Speaker 1: because for your entire life you were Steve, you were

1961
02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:11,600
Speaker 1: Woe Joe point guard coach. Right now you're a place

1962
02:02:11,680 --> 02:02:14,480
Speaker 1: where I'm sure people like basketball, but it's very very different,

1963
02:02:14,600 --> 02:02:18,800
Speaker 1: very eclectic, and I'm just wondering about go ahead, They'll

1964
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:22,240
Speaker 1: they'll probably say, oh, your friends with the youth coach. Yeah, yeah,

1965
02:02:22,360 --> 02:02:26,000
Speaker 1: that guy. That guy's that guy's nuts. You know, he's

1966
02:02:26,040 --> 02:02:29,640
Speaker 1: ways he's way too in the youth sports. But but

1967
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:34,320
Speaker 1: uh I think he means well, uh he does it. Well. Look, uh,

1968
02:02:34,440 --> 02:02:36,800
Speaker 1: let's catch up in person sometimes soon. At the meantime,

1969
02:02:37,120 --> 02:02:39,640
Speaker 1: enjoy this weekend, as the weekend is not just about

1970
02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:43,120
Speaker 1: k but about all of you guys, right, because nothing

1971
02:02:43,200 --> 02:02:46,960
Speaker 1: doesn't happen without everybody. And you've been really gracious for

1972
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:50,080
Speaker 1: your time, and thank you so much. All right man,

1973
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Speaker 1: Well thanks for having me on. I really enjoyed it,

1974
02:02:52,520 --> 02:02:55,800
Speaker 1: and uh, good luck in March. All right. Mon, you

1975
02:02:55,840 --> 02:02:57,880
Speaker 1: when you're if any time your sixth grade wants to

1976
02:02:57,880 --> 02:03:01,280
Speaker 1: play any weekend, you tell me I got a sound

1977
02:03:01,600 --> 02:03:03,480
Speaker 1: that we'll have to go over, you know, like there's

1978
02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:05,640
Speaker 1: certain roles I want from, So we'll have that to

1979
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:13,400
Speaker 1: sit down. How many minutes, how many shots? Exactly what

1980
02:03:13,720 --> 02:03:15,440
Speaker 1: happened is he doesn't play in the first game, I'll

1981
02:03:15,440 --> 02:03:16,960
Speaker 1: turn around the second game one and up to the

1982
02:03:17,040 --> 02:03:22,480
Speaker 1: other team. That's right, That's right, all right, man, take

1983
02:03:22,520 --> 02:03:29,240
Speaker 1: care of well, thank you too. Did I tell you?

1984
02:03:29,680 --> 02:03:31,880
Speaker 1: Did I tell you? It was great? All right? O

1985
02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:33,920
Speaker 1: reminded the Doug out Live Show daily three to six

1986
02:03:34,040 --> 02:03:36,960
Speaker 1: Eastern told three Pacific on your I Heart Radio app,

1987
02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:41,200
Speaker 1: Fox Sport Tradio, Fox Sports Tradio dot Com. Uh, I'm

1988
02:03:41,240 --> 02:03:43,960
Speaker 1: not I'm not speechless by how good it was. Just

1989
02:03:44,120 --> 02:03:50,080
Speaker 1: a little note Richard Patino is our next podcast. Guests

1990
02:03:50,120 --> 02:03:52,720
Speaker 1: will drop that in a day or two from whenever

1991
02:03:52,840 --> 02:03:55,360
Speaker 1: you you download this one, but make sure you tell

1992
02:03:55,400 --> 02:03:57,400
Speaker 1: a friend you download, you subscribe, your rate, you write

1993
02:03:57,400 --> 02:04:00,840
Speaker 1: a review, and uh and and say mojo a note.

1994
02:04:01,000 --> 02:04:04,120
Speaker 1: I thought, man, he was. He's pretty open about so

1995
02:04:04,240 --> 02:04:08,120
Speaker 1: many things, really open about so many things. My appreciation

1996
02:04:08,440 --> 02:04:12,360
Speaker 1: continues to grow. Pristiege how skiing. I hope, yeah, I

1997
02:04:12,360 --> 02:04:14,320
Speaker 1: hope you see him back on the sideline. Plus there's

1998
02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:17,760
Speaker 1: talking here, obviously. We're talking about hiking and other things

1999
02:04:17,840 --> 02:04:22,480
Speaker 1: and finding yourself a little bit pretty cool. Anyway, I'm

2000
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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb. This is all ball