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Speaker 1: joined by our Titans Radio Draft duo Rettbrian and Coach

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Speaker 1: Dave McGinnis. And this is going to be the Coach

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Speaker 1: Mac and RTT five. We're going to take you through

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Speaker 1: various positions on five different editions of the OTP, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to get the top five players that Coach

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Speaker 1: Mack and Rhett have rated at each spot that we

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Speaker 1: feature in each edition, and like this edition is going

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Speaker 1: to be quarterbacks and running backs, and then they'll throw

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Speaker 1: out a couple of other guys that they like and

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Speaker 1: provide some details. So we're excited to do this the

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Speaker 1: culmination of a lot of work for you, gentlemen. How

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Speaker 1: many players have you evaluated?

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Speaker 2: Coach probably two hundred and thirty, two.

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Speaker 3: Hundred and thirty. It's nearly seven full rounds worth. Wow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, and various degrees because as you

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Speaker 4: start going through this various degrees of work on these guys. Clearly,

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Speaker 4: the lower that you get down, you just like to

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Speaker 4: kind of get an idea, and you know, you know

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Speaker 4: what I do, Mike, I have a lot of conversations

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Speaker 4: around the league, starting at the Senior ball, then going

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Speaker 4: to the Combine and then you know, I mean I've

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Speaker 4: some of these things, you know, come through from the workouts.

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Speaker 4: Guys that weren't able to work are guys that go

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Speaker 4: back to the combine for rechecks. And just you know,

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Speaker 4: Ret and I are two men draft program and most

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Speaker 4: teams have twenty eight or thirty.

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Speaker 3: So he's plugged in, is what we're saying. He is

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Speaker 3: super connected. Uh. And he does not tell me with

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Speaker 3: whom he is having these conversations, but I guarantee it's

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Speaker 1: What did we learn in eighth grade science class what

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Speaker 1: a hypothesis is, and that is an educated guess. It's

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Speaker 1: not just a guess, it's an it's an educated guess. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So this would be coach Mac and your hypothesis.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a that's such a great word.

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Speaker 4: And now we're gonna we're gonna be in the final

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Speaker 4: Oh sure, because that's what's happening right now. That's what's

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Speaker 4: ask Rand Carthon a thing, right you know how close

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Speaker 4: I am with Rand Carthon, and I would never ever broach,

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Speaker 1: It's as if too when when I talk about draft things,

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Speaker 1: people tend to think, Oh with his eyes he's telling

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Speaker 3: I don't ask because plausible deniability.

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Speaker 4: Well, but because professionally, it's just not align you cross,

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Speaker 4: and it's not cruel. Yes, it's not align you cross

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Speaker 4: professionally because when I was doing it for three decades,

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Speaker 1: But it does give you a good background for the

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Speaker 2: Background for the OT people. And that's the only thing

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Speaker 3: And when we're talking about putting these boards together, and

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at the quarterbacks. Let's go five

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Speaker 4: Well, and this is going to be purely an issue

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Speaker 4: they're going to have a lot of. It is what

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Speaker 2: Things going on. And so you ask why May ahead

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Speaker 3: And Mike, I'll give you an example of what he's

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Speaker 3: They have the ammunition. But Drake May, you're right, they're

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Speaker 4: Let me just say this too, with Cliff Kingsbury now

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Speaker 4: So if they stick there, then I could see Jayden

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Speaker 1: Are you as impressed with JJ McCarthy from Michigan as

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Speaker 1: everyone else.

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Speaker 2: I'm impressed with him.

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Speaker 4: And the further you got into you further you got

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Speaker 2: I listen.

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Speaker 4: Is that his command of a huddle, his command of

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Speaker 4: the team, and the offense that he played in Mike

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Speaker 4: he wasn't asked to just be the guy to spin

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Speaker 4: it everywhere, but when he needed to, he could do that.

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Speaker 4: And then you go to the combine and you watch

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Speaker 4: him throw, and again there's a lot that goes into

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Speaker 2: But this guy, I think has everything that it takes.

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Speaker 4: In my eyes, he rose and you know, game manager

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Speaker 4: is not a derogatory term. It's not a derogatory term

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Speaker 4: at all. In fact, all quarterbacks are game managers. It's

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Speaker 4: just how they manage differently. But yes, he's risen in

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Speaker 3: What's funny is a game manager is normally a winner.

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Speaker 4: Well that's a great point. I mean you're on a

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Speaker 3: Well, let me say this about JJ McCarthy, especially as

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Speaker 3: His mastery of the short to intermediate part of the

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Speaker 1: Bow Knicks is not in your top five the Oregon

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Speaker 1: young mister Nicks?

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Speaker 4: Bow Knicks is a possibility I think to go in

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Speaker 4: the first round. Wow, you know, in the middle to

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Speaker 4: the because and I know you said this a lot

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Speaker 4: on on all podcasts that you've done. I know you

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Speaker 4: say this a lot because we all agree with this.

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Speaker 4: The quarterback draft is separate from a positional draft, right,

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Speaker 4: So if people need one, they're gonna come up there's

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Speaker 4: some guys on this list that don't have to necessarily

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Speaker 4: first round picks in the quarterback draft. The quarterback draft

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Speaker 4: is a separate, isolated issue from anything else that happens

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Speaker 4: in the draft. So Bonnicks is not in our top

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Speaker 4: you just wanted five. It's not in our top five.

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Speaker 4: But I can see a team moving up to get him,

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Speaker 4: because here's the thing. He went to a completely different

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Speaker 2: He was he was.

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Speaker 4: Very successful there, not as successful at Auburn, you know,

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Speaker 4: for whatever reason all of that was. But the physical

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Speaker 4: skills and the field generalship are there.

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Speaker 1: Mister Mock, the ever reliable ret Brian. You believe he

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Speaker 1: loves to sit online and do those mocks like Craig does.

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Speaker 3: Thing. I drag him into one everyone. I'm the only

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Speaker 3: person that can draft you are, mister mack.

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Speaker 1: So the question for you, you do believe he goes

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Speaker 1: somewhere in the first round and maybe higher than others believe?

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Speaker 3: Correct, bow Knicks, And I'll say the same thing about

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Speaker 3: Michael Pennock junior. Because of the quarterback draft part of this,

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Speaker 3: I wasn't so sure of this, But as we get

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't shock me.

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Speaker 3: And Michael Pennix Junior, he's arguably the best deep ball

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Speaker 4: I think you're right, Mike. I mean, and when you

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Speaker 4: just watch him, you know, pure Now, when you're watching

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Speaker 4: But when you just watch the throws, and that's right,

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: Myth are not a myth. Some NFL teams are afraid

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Speaker 4: I think that's a myth. Okay, that's a myth. I mean,

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Speaker 3: They're half I mean, the biggest thing with him is

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Speaker 4: See that's why this crew right here digs a little

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm aware of him. Why didn't mean to bring

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Speaker 3: It's a guy that we saw at the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 3: I forget two hundred change. He had good measurables in

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Speaker 3: Coach Mack, who is your sleeper at quarterback? Well she's

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Speaker 4: But the guy that really intrigues me, Mike, is what

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Speaker 4: are they going to do with Jordan Travis. Jordan Travis

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Speaker 2: But this guy's got talent. He has got talent.

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Speaker 4: So will somebody be willing to say as we get

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Speaker 2: A chance on it.

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Speaker 1: Can we move now to the running back position for

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Speaker 1: coach Mack and Rhett Bryan's top five in.

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Speaker 3: The top five at running back, number five Bucky Irving, Oregon,

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Speaker 3: number four, Braylan Allen Wisconsin, number three, Jalen Wright Tennessee,

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Speaker 3: number two, Jonathan Brooks Texas, and number one Trey Benson

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Speaker 3: Florida State University.

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Speaker 1: How do you summarize the top of the running back

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Speaker 4: Not as talented as what you know. There will be

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Speaker 4: no first round pick in the running back this year.

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Speaker 4: There will be none of them.

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Speaker 2: I think there's some very serviceable backs.

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Speaker 4: And I also think this Mike, there's going to be

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Speaker 4: you didn't mention Blake Krum, who is a definite guy

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Speaker 4: that's going to be drafted. I think he'll probably be drafted,

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Speaker 2: But they're kind of luck together.

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Speaker 4: And the way running backs are now, the bigger backs

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Speaker 4: there's not any just huge hammer guys anymore. We don't

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Speaker 4: have a Stemi on here from Notre Dame that's a

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Speaker 1: How did you come to the decision that Trey Benson

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, Jonathan Brooks got an injury, right,

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Speaker 2: That's kind of what separated that for me. You know,

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Speaker 4: I think I think if Jonathan Brooks would have stayed,

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Speaker 4: But he ran a four four five, So you're not

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Speaker 2: So, but that's why, that's why I did it.

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Speaker 3: Jaalen Wright has a little speed too, does oh Man

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Speaker 3: is has a little bit of experience as a kick returner,

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Speaker 3: he might be back number one. Jalen Wright, I think

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Speaker 3: When you're talking about five ten, two ten hands, nine

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Speaker 1: Great track athlete who was actually disappointed in the four

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Speaker 2: Well, nobody else was.

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Speaker 3: Nobody else was plenty good.

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Speaker 2: That and that because he's a compact build.

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Speaker 4: He's a compact build, but a thirty nine inch vertical

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about favorites, Coach Mack. Your favorite

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Speaker 4: Uh you know from from usc you know, five nine

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do one more Amy Wells here.

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Speaker 4: Because well, we looked at a lot of players, so

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this guy, and he's got to You got

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Speaker 1: I like this player did not miss an assignment last

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Speaker 2: See.

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Speaker 4: Now that's what brings to the table that we like,

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Speaker 1: Well I'm not with you, guys, Yes you are. That's

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Speaker 3: Shoot your shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go, all right, Brian Red Bryan has favorites.

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Speaker 1: Last year, TYJ. Spears was his favorite, not only at

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Speaker 3: at the Senior Bowl, and he was on a previous

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Speaker 3: otp Ray Davis from Kentucky. The off the field story

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Speaker 3: he just grabbed my heart. Homeless as a small kid

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Speaker 3: in San Francisco, was taken in by a teacher of

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Speaker 3: his and got off the ground. And my goodness, what

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Speaker 3: a career he's had in college football. You're talking about

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Speaker 3: he had one of the most explosive years ever in

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Speaker 3: the history of Kentucky football. You had it, what, twenty

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Speaker 3: one all purpose touchdowns all together, only two fumbles in

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Speaker 3: three years in the SEC. That's doing something. He may

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Speaker 3: not be the biggest, the fastest, the strongest, but the

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Speaker 3: heart in there and want to because those survival skills

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Speaker 3: are in eight in him. Really like what he could

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Speaker 3: be able to do to help somebody at the next level.

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Speaker 2: This was one of the most mature guys that we interviewed.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, just straight up. I mean, you would want

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Speaker 4: this guy in your locker room, the real deal Temple Vandy, Kentucky.

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Speaker 4: Just like what Ritt says, he's got no quid at

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Speaker 4: him none.

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Speaker 3: I really like this kid, all right, Ret, you actually

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Speaker 3: stay in the Commonwealth for your sleeper at running back.

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Speaker 3: I do. His name is Isaac Garrindo and he was

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Speaker 3: a transfer portal to Louisville in twenty twenty three. Spent

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Speaker 3: his first five years with the Wisconsin Badgers, but because

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Speaker 3: brayln Allen, who was in our top five, was there,

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Speaker 3: he wasn't really allowed to do a whole lot. In fact,

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Speaker 3: I think he had less than one hundred carries a

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Speaker 3: little over five hundred yards, so he transfers to Louisville

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Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty two, carries eight hundred and ten yards.

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Speaker 3: I'd six to one to carry eleven rushing touchdowns. He's good.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing that's sneaky about this guy. So first

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Speaker 3: of all, he's six foot, two hundred and twenty one pounds.

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Speaker 3: He goes out and runs a four three three forty

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Speaker 3: at the Combine, one of two players in Combine history

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Speaker 3: in the last twenty years at that mark of that weight,

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Speaker 3: dk Metcalf being the other one to hit that. Uh.

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Speaker 3: One five to four in his first ten of forty

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Speaker 3: one and a half inch vertical leap, almost eleven foot

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Speaker 3: broad jump, a three cone drill, six ' nine to

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Speaker 3: four short shuttle just over four seconds. Uh, and he

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Speaker 3: sneaky good out of the backfield as a catcher. I'm

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Speaker 3: telling you, this guy is gonna make somebody a potential

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Speaker 3: starter eventually.

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Speaker 2: Let me give the OT people a little behind the scenes.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: We're all there together at the Combine and then you

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Speaker 4: had to come back for the groundbreaking for the new stadium.

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Speaker 4: Then Rhett and Ramon and Amy and Ashley they loaded

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Speaker 4: up and went. I stayed the whole time I stayed

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Speaker 4: the whole time in the state.

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Speaker 3: Will you get to go into the stadium to watch

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Speaker 3: the workout? That's what I do.

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Speaker 4: But when I do that, But when I do that,

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Speaker 4: I sit around position coaches. So I'm sitting there and

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Speaker 4: people will come up and just I don't know because

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Speaker 4: because you're coach Mac. And then and then so this guy,

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Speaker 4: I'm sitting there with the secondary coach from Louisville, and

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Speaker 4: all of a sudden, the running back coach from Louisville

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Speaker 4: comes up and he says, come on here me coach Mack.

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Speaker 4: And I went, you're running back coach at Louisville. I said,

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Speaker 4: just a minute, I dial read. I said, here's a

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Speaker 4: guy that really likes your running back, tell him about him.

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Speaker 2: And then I just hand him the phone.

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Speaker 3: And so that's pretty good intel, very cool, very cool.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, Isaac Garrinda, remember that name, because he's and

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Speaker 3: the thing is, I mean, he's he's a thumper back

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Speaker 3: who's got skills and he's got home run speed. He

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Speaker 3: can hit the gaps inside and be physical and get

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Speaker 3: down there, but he's got enough speed to beat you

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Speaker 3: on the outside on zone runs. And you get him

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Speaker 3: past one level and he can take it all. Right,

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Speaker 3: Coach Mac, you're sleeper.

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Speaker 2: This book's got names everywhere. Jade Sheridan from Monmouth.

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Speaker 4: From Monmouth, Yes, Sir, Jaden Sherdon five eight, one eighty seven, okay,

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Speaker 4: four four, five thirty four and a half, vertical nine

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Speaker 4: to nine, broad jump one five ten, So the guy

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Speaker 4: can get out of there.

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Speaker 2: His numbers are ridiculous. Okay, are ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: But as a sleeper way down on the third day,

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Speaker 4: Jaden Sherdon from Monmouth.

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Speaker 3: And let me say this about Jaden Sherdon, and you're going.

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Speaker 3: His mom called you. Wait, absolutely, miss Sherdon, how are you?

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Speaker 3: Five seven? You're going wait a minute, but let me

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Speaker 3: He's Mac is so on with this guy. He is

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Speaker 3: rocked up and ripped up to be that size. Fourteen

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Speaker 3: of his twenty six rushing touchdowns were runs of fifty

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Speaker 3: yards plus. Okay, sixteen one hundred yard rushing games, six

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Speaker 3: career two hundred yard games. It's there.

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Speaker 1: So to summarize the running back class, not spectacular at

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Speaker 1: the top, but you can find help. And you can

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Speaker 1: certainly find help on day three, maybe even laid on day.

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Speaker 4: Three, I think so absolutely, And what you'll find on

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Speaker 4: day three, Mike, You'll look for one trait that they

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Speaker 4: do well and if you need that one trait, say

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Speaker 4: you say you need somebody with this new kickoff thing

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Speaker 4: that's going on, or if you if you really need

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Speaker 4: somebody to be your to be your second, or maybe

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Speaker 4: you know you're you're you're in reserve third down guy,

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Speaker 4: or somebody that has returnability both punt and kickoff.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely yes, good start to our OTP Top five with

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Speaker 1: our Titans Radio Draft duo coach Dave McGinnis and Rhett Brian.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow another OTP drops and this one these two will

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Speaker 1: give us the tops in the defensive back positions that's

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Speaker 1: next on tomorrow's OTP. For this OTP for coach Mac

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Speaker 1: and Rhet Brian, Mike Keith says, thanks for joining us.

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