Speaker 1: Look may oh, I see my own and look over
Speaker 1: there is that culture. Yes, goodness, we lost culture. Ding
Speaker 1: Dong lost cultus tlling super warning. You're gonna hear that twice.
Speaker 1: We're gonna ding Dong again because we are not currently
Speaker 1: with our guest of this episode, which you can probably
Speaker 1: see now based on the title, is with the one
Speaker 1: and only Kate Blanchette. Kate Blanchett got a new movie,
Speaker 1: Black Bag. It's great. It's great. I was actually like,
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: Watching Black Bag and then I was gonna choose another
Speaker 2: thing from her filmography to watch again before this.
Speaker 1: There's so much. I got overwhelmed. You got antsy. I
Speaker 1: got antsy when you're at the bookstore. Yeah, so many options,
Speaker 1: not even just little options where it's like, oh it
Speaker 1: could be that could be that big delicious options. It's
Speaker 1: like a it's like a cheesecake factory. Her filmography, it's
Speaker 1: a menu with the spiral spine. This is a real
Speaker 1: culture if I've ever heard one. This is a real
Speaker 1: coature number ninety four, ninety four filmography. It's like the
Speaker 1: menu at a cheesecake factory. The options, What were you
Speaker 1: were you juggling? Did you like whittle? It down to
Speaker 1: a final selection. I mean, there's always Tar. Yep, there's
Speaker 1: always Tar. But the thing about Tar is it is
Speaker 1: it is the let's just call it the big steak
Speaker 1: of options because it's so, it's long, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: a big old hate. You're gonna get. It's the most
Speaker 1: bang for your buck, Cape Blanchet, You're gonna get. Yes.
Speaker 1: But having already seen that several times, and then I thought,
Speaker 1: why don't we do Carol? And I thought, hmmm.
Speaker 2: I was like, this could be good, but I've also
Speaker 2: seen that a couple of times. And then I thought, no,
Speaker 2: it's on a scandal, which is ultimately what I went
Speaker 2: with because I know that's what you went That's what
Speaker 2: I went with. This is my favorite film on her
Speaker 2: philmography will tell not.
Speaker 1: It's on a scandal. I think it is because I
Speaker 1: love melodrama. We are off track.
Speaker 2: So the reason why we're doing this is because because
Speaker 2: we want to give you a little bit of a
Speaker 2: culture catchup.
Speaker 1: We know that people have been sort of desiring this
Speaker 1: because a lot has happened Wow in the last month.
Speaker 1: Where do we start in our lives? And of course,
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of thing but we just thought
Speaker 1: we'd give you like a little sort of hybrid episode,
Speaker 1: and I feel like someone like Kate Lynchett deserves sort
Speaker 1: of like little preamble because it's it's just gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also thought to myself, I'm like, what if Kate
Speaker 2: Blenchett came in here and we did like a traditional
Speaker 2: intro and Kate Blanchette, the legendary Kate Clenchette, was just
Speaker 2: sitting here. So we'll probably do like a thirty second
Speaker 2: intro for her and just get into it, because I
Speaker 2: actually can't bear the thought of her sitting here listening. Well,
Speaker 2: we're like, so, well, the thing about like my favorite
Speaker 2: soup is or whatever dumb shit we would say clamp,
Speaker 2: thank you for asking. I always just wanted to say
Speaker 2: New England clam. But it's hard to pick a favorite soup.
Speaker 2: It's so hard, I don't think so honey, having to
Speaker 2: pick a favorite soup, and it feels like the pressure
Speaker 2: is always on to choose a favorite soup nowadays.
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like that's a self invented pressure that
Speaker 1: because you just brought that up as like an example.
Speaker 1: You feel that pressure day in and day out. Ever
Speaker 1: since Halen Hardy has disappeared from New York City, I
Speaker 1: don't even know. I'm no longer making the decision of
Speaker 1: what soup do I want today? It is nose dived
Speaker 1: and it makes me sick because it used to be
Speaker 1: like the only thing that gave me joy was to
Speaker 1: like pick a new soup, and now I just don't
Speaker 1: encounter soup as much as I would like. Excuse me.
Speaker 2: First of all, let me tell you something, Halen Hardy,
Speaker 2: that was a great American institution. And I'm so disappointed
Speaker 2: in all the consumers of America and everyone that eats
Speaker 2: food out there. What you did, what you allowed to
Speaker 2: happen to Halen Hardy is unacceptable, because where else are
Speaker 2: you going to get I'm sorry, twelve thirteen, sometimes fourteen
Speaker 2: options of soup when you see Morocan lentil on a
Speaker 2: menu at to cart, at to cart, because you're lucky
Speaker 2: to have that opportunity, and now unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. There have been rumors for I want to say,
Speaker 1: decades now, seck of rumors starting, rumors starting that it's
Speaker 1: coming back. No, it's not, no, it's not shut up,
Speaker 1: it's I've heard this for years.
Speaker 2: No, it's twenty twenty five. We don't have optimistic thoughts anymore.
Speaker 1: Who are you? Who are you? The one that got away?
Speaker 1: I picked up and moved to a different town, and
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm thinking of moving back into New York.
Speaker 1: Lose my lore? You are VV Helen Hardy coming back? YEAV.
Speaker 1: You know VV e a V. You don't think that
Speaker 1: VV is more fun? It's very fun. It's not the
Speaker 1: French way to say it, but you can say you
Speaker 1: can you can say VAV. You better.
Speaker 2: You have to understand nowadays. Bo One has to be
Speaker 2: helping me with this because we're going to Europe.
Speaker 1: We're going to We're going to Europe. Very tar coded.
Speaker 1: She'd fly back and forth, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a cultured woman, a culture with secrets, can't wait
Speaker 2: to ask Cate Blanchette.
Speaker 1: If she has secrets too. We're talking about soup. We
Speaker 1: were talking about soup. We're talking about preamble culture catchup? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Favorite Role? Is its a scandal? Yeah? Oh this is
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say. R kpfk's ks whatever. R
Speaker 1: k p f kska what r k p fk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, it's getting in wheel dy.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, hold me to account. I want
Speaker 1: to ask her if she thinks, well, I guess what
Speaker 1: is there any use to this? I want to be like,
Speaker 1: do you think they could they would make notes on
Speaker 1: a scandal? Now, like you would not be able to
Speaker 1: have like make out with the teenager, not just make
Speaker 1: out fuck in a train yard? Can I tell you something?
Speaker 1: She fucks that kid? Shit? I mean and listen, it's like,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the whole crux of the film. That's
Speaker 1: the scandal. I didn't write it podcast on a scandal.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's the sequel. That's the starring us. Wait,
Speaker 1: who's Kate and who's Judy? That I'm Judy. I love
Speaker 1: that you really, Sheba I have here. I do think
Speaker 1: what we should do and it will be embarrassing, but
Speaker 1: we should say the iconic line to Kate, you think
Speaker 1: this is a love you you wanna fuck me? B
Speaker 1: How come I thought you did this is a love
Speaker 1: of it? It was clearly you want to fuck you
Speaker 1: know what?
Speaker 2: I have a you want to fuck me Barbara t
Speaker 2: shirt that I had made as a rap gift for
Speaker 2: game show, and it's in La, I didn't wear it.
Speaker 1: Where's your Lydia tar Innocent T shirt? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: we should have worn that. I'm literally thinking, can we
Speaker 1: make it home? No, this sucks. It's okay. We'll just
Speaker 1: tell her, We'll show her the photo. We should both
Speaker 1: have been wearing our Lydia tart Is Innocent T shirts.
Speaker 1: What if she had been like, you know, she's not,
Speaker 1: she's not. She was an awful woman. She drops in,
Speaker 1: She's like, this is I don't like this at all.
Speaker 1: I don't agree with this. This is our culture catch
Speaker 1: up portion of the episode. Yes, so let's just make
Speaker 1: the list. Now, let's just make the program. It okay.
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga was on Lost.
Speaker 2: Coach Bowen sang with Lady Gaga in two sketches and
Speaker 2: became best friends.
Speaker 1: Matt was front rowe at the Oscar. I wouldn't present
Speaker 1: it at the Oscars. It's not Matt.
Speaker 2: I have been such a happy accessory this past month.
Speaker 2: You have no idea. I feel like the most beautiful
Speaker 2: purse in the world. Stop it, no, stop, I love
Speaker 2: it you. I feel like I'm your emotional support animal,
Speaker 2: and I'm so.
Speaker 1: Happy about it. But you know, it's like it's It's
Speaker 1: like when a movie starts. It's like when an actress
Speaker 1: like brings her dog to a red carpet. Let's say,
Speaker 1: like it's someone like de Me Moore brings Oh that dog,
Speaker 1: I forget the names, We're gonna call him Pip. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: everyone's everyone's obsessed with Pip. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what's really happened? Is we fulfilled
Speaker 1: the prophecy. I'm busy. I'm busy Phillips. You are Michelle,
Speaker 1: I'm busy. The prophecy has been fulfilled. There's officially a
Speaker 1: gay but Michelle Williams and Busy Phillips. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: that I'm not Michelle. You are not busy, And that
Speaker 1: is both like that would be a diservice to both
Speaker 1: of them and us. Excuse me. I'm saying this was.
Speaker 2: All the love in the world for both of those legends,
Speaker 2: and I'm saying it with a lot of love for.
Speaker 1: Us, for us, But I'm saying, like, there's something about listen,
Speaker 1: I'm walking on to the red carpet of the Oscars,
Speaker 1: and it's people everyone being like Matt Bow and Matt
Speaker 1: in a way that was like that filled me with
Speaker 1: such profound joy. I was like, yes, we slayed the Glambot.
Speaker 1: We slayed the Glambot, and just like and they're talking
Speaker 1: about it. I can't believe I'm here with my best
Speaker 1: friend at the Oscars and we're like, put your hearts up,
Speaker 1: and it's it's really I still have to journal about
Speaker 1: SNEL fifty. I feel like rkpfkfs JK. We're not totally
Speaker 1: satisfied with their SNAL fifty recap. No, they weren't. We're
Speaker 1: happy to go into more detail with that. Let's just say,
Speaker 1: let's say top highlights. Let's start there, fifty. Okay, top
Speaker 1: highlights for you waving at chair backstage, doing the pre
Speaker 1: tape with Andy Samberg, which is so much fun, and yes,
Speaker 1: just loving the moments that we shared together with everybody.
Speaker 1: It felt like this wonderful family reunion. It felt like
Speaker 1: we were all sort of giving each other. It was
Speaker 1: like a Dickensian experience of like everyone was being visited
Speaker 1: by the ghosts of SNL past, present, future in a
Speaker 1: way that was actually not terrible. Like we were all
Speaker 1: screwged and we all were waking up on Christmas morning
Speaker 1: like God bless us everyone, and that was the highlight
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, I mean everyone was obsessed with Matt
Speaker 1: working the carpet. That was fun.
Speaker 2: I will say one of the highlights after it for
Speaker 2: me was when so you've been on it before, but
Speaker 2: I made my at Nikki Cbell.
Speaker 1: Debut on Ted Talk.
Speaker 2: We love the nkey obsessed, deeply obsessed, and I was
Speaker 2: so I'm of course watching it bed riding, like watching
Speaker 2: the TikTok in bed, and then like Nikki is like, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: We were very much sympatico there. I was like, I
Speaker 1: want to lay down to and be lazy on.
Speaker 2: My TikTok And then I see myself and he goes,
Speaker 2: not the right color, and I so then then I
Speaker 2: wasn't following him. So I followed him, which was a
Speaker 2: mistake on my part, and he sends me a message
Speaker 2: and he goes he revealed himself as a reader. I
Speaker 2: don't know how he identifies God, but he's a finalist.
Speaker 2: I go just so you know, it wasn't as bright
Speaker 2: in person. Great, and when he goes, okay, I get it,
Speaker 2: yeah totally. But I loved it because it's a celebration
Speaker 2: to even be on that.
Speaker 1: Of course that he had to press save on a
Speaker 1: photo of you. You know what I mean, it didn't
Speaker 1: look that bright in person. Like I absolutely loved what
Speaker 1: I wore. The blue. Yeah, so good, thank you. It
Speaker 1: wasn't even like it was not like a jewel tone.
Speaker 1: It was not even, but it was certainly not. It
Speaker 1: was still can you imagine me in a jewel tone?
Speaker 1: But it was just a deep, sumptuous blue. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was great. By the way, I don't know why I
Speaker 1: pictured me in a jewel tone at S n L
Speaker 1: fifty And this was the pose like like like Lea
Speaker 1: Michelle like yeah, like taking your two hands me and
Speaker 1: putting it pushing like your hips forward and like this
Speaker 1: clavical know you're claviical first. And you just hear you,
Speaker 1: just hear Matt, that Matt. And you know what they
Speaker 1: always say to me, Big smile, man, big smile, big smile.
Speaker 1: Check up, chin up, chin up down. That was that's
Speaker 1: too much chinned down. A little bit of a smile
Speaker 1: over here. And they're always over that. Always you know
Speaker 1: what we should do, even when our backs of our
Speaker 1: outfits are really bad. Just the shoulder. I love an
Speaker 1: older I love that. I like your fucking Gwyneth. Oh, anyway,
Speaker 1: that was that sound tifty was amazing. Oscars, Oscars, you
Speaker 1: really did crush that present thing. And there was bts.
Speaker 1: It was back and forth weather and not that bit
Speaker 1: was gonna happen, yes, and you stuck to your gun.
Speaker 1: I stuck to my guns. The producers pitched the idea,
Speaker 1: the producers and the writers, wonderful team. They're they're just
Speaker 1: like for working the Oscars. They are a cool chill
Speaker 1: bunch whatever. It's like these people do, this is their thing,
Speaker 1: year in, year out. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They know how this all works. They're at the Dolby,
Speaker 1: they know where the bathrooms are, and it was so
Speaker 1: much fun. I stayed up after SNL, got on a plane,
Speaker 1: took a little gummy, conked out, woke up, went straight
Speaker 1: to the Dolby. Felt great, did the bits, had lovely
Speaker 1: stand ins. Saw the rehearsal for the OZ medley with
Speaker 1: the standings and I was still dad. I was like,
Speaker 1: it's not even Cynthia and Ai doing it, and I'm
Speaker 1: still like in tears. Actually just like a stand in slay.
Speaker 1: It was. It was these stand ins who like we're slave, yeah,
Speaker 1: who like we're not. I would say, like maybe they're
Speaker 1: professional vocalists and singers, but they were just like But
Speaker 1: I even saw the shot of like Ari in the
Speaker 1: background was a great shot and it was just like
Speaker 1: missing a blonde girl in the back, just kind of
Speaker 1: like watching this this this other woman on the race platform,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is gonna fucking stand in
Speaker 1: for them, just like seeing the station and like me
Speaker 1: and all and all Conan's background dances for the opening bit,
Speaker 1: we're all just dying that this this is so fun.
Speaker 2: I also want to say, in terms of stand ins,
Speaker 2: shout out whoever was sitting next to me for ninety minutes.
Speaker 2: So first of all, Bowen says to me beforehand, we're
Speaker 2: sitting in the front row. I said, you better shut
Speaker 2: the fuck up, and he goes, also, I can't be
Speaker 2: with you for like he goes for the first forty
Speaker 2: minutes presenting the fourth Award, and I have to get
Speaker 2: into the costume because we are doing that bit. Like
Speaker 2: it went back and forth about whether that was gonna
Speaker 2: happen because it was going to be a big costume change.
Speaker 1: Made big costume change, and they weren't sure they were
Speaker 1: going to have their proper rehearsal time with me because
Speaker 1: I was flying in the day of yeah, so it
Speaker 1: might not have happened. And so I told Nat I
Speaker 1: budgeted forty minutes. It was the full It was ninety
Speaker 1: ninety minutes at the show, it was ninety and literally
Speaker 1: I'm with this seat filler the whole time. And she
Speaker 1: probably seventy minutes in turns to me and goes, where
Speaker 1: is Bowen? I go, I go, am I not fun?
Speaker 1: Or are you not? She was in great vibe, but
Speaker 1: I was just saying to go to the bathroom probably,
Speaker 1: but also I think she was just like there was
Speaker 1: a little bit of like happen. There was a little
Speaker 1: bit of like, I feel bad.
Speaker 2: That Bowen isn't in his front row seat at the Oscars,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I mean, I hope he comes soon.
Speaker 2: I am, I'm enjoying you, but like I do want
Speaker 2: because I know you want to be out there watching
Speaker 2: it because you missed him, obviously Cynthia and Arianna, which
Speaker 2: was amazing, and the Bond.
Speaker 1: The Bond Trivia with Lisa and Doja and Ray and
Speaker 1: Margaret Quality and Margaret oh my god, Margaret.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, And it was I will say, sitting
Speaker 2: there for ninety minutes and looking to my left and
Speaker 2: just seeing all those people, I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: You know what I was really proud about. I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: I've really managed my anxiety because I was sitting there. Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm so proud.
Speaker 2: And I think a year ago I wouldn't have been
Speaker 2: like that. I think it would have been like mm.
Speaker 2: But I was like, okay, it's okay, it's okay, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm okay. I was channeling Tate.
Speaker 1: You were channeling Tate. Tate would be cool as a
Speaker 1: cucumber in front Road with the so be like this
Speaker 1: is fun. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think she'd be like this is cool man, this
Speaker 2: is cool. Yeah, why would that be the cool man?
Speaker 2: But you did finally come out. We got to see
Speaker 2: the last half.
Speaker 1: Of the Oscars together, just just as fun. It was great.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Winds went as expected until that was
Speaker 2: a sad moment when to me lost. But Mikey's so
Speaker 2: fucking great.
Speaker 1: On that movie. It's like that. That's what's It's not
Speaker 1: like an out and out snub necessarily, but it is
Speaker 1: just a thing of like, God, this there's just something
Speaker 1: about the expectation being sort of slowly downloaded into you correct,
Speaker 1: like as just as on a human level, like if
Speaker 1: you are told, like over several months that like it's yours,
Speaker 1: it's yours, it's yours, something's gonna happen to you, something great,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't. That is very just for lack of
Speaker 1: a better word, devastated and with a.
Speaker 2: Camera in your face the moment it doesn't happen, like like,
Speaker 2: here's what I'll say after that. And you know, I
Speaker 2: love Anora. I think Mikey Madison crowd. I actually think
Speaker 2: it was even better on the second time I watched it.
Speaker 2: I think that that performance is great, especially when you
Speaker 2: see how dissimilar she is to that character. I think
Speaker 2: she deserves to win, but it's just tough. When there's
Speaker 2: so many of these award shows, it makes you feel
Speaker 2: like is it a little too much?
Speaker 1: Is yeah? Absolutely? Right?
Speaker 2: After another after another, it feels like a job that
Speaker 2: can't possibly have any reward outside of like ultimately if
Speaker 2: you do win and only one person can and if
Speaker 2: you happen to like you make yourself like a fashion moment,
Speaker 2: which I'll say again, Brad Gereski absolutely crushed it with
Speaker 2: me all season.
Speaker 1: I hope she feels good. I'm sure she feels good.
Speaker 1: I'm sure she does. And it makes me go to
Speaker 1: answer your question like is this too much? Kill me
Speaker 1: for saying this. It makes me go like, well, for
Speaker 1: Culture Awards, I think we should like build out precursors.
Speaker 1: Oh no, the Cultural Awards will have twenty made up precursors.
Speaker 2: No, there's gonna be a brunch, there's gonna be there's
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot governor, a lot of precursors. Like,
Speaker 2: we are actually going to create many other small awards
Speaker 2: with guilds that we create. Actually, that's going to be
Speaker 2: a Reader Awards, a Publicist Awards, a Katie Awards, a
Speaker 2: Finalist Awards, and the Kyle Awards. And you are going
Speaker 2: to get to sign up for the guild. This actually
Speaker 2: is happening in real time.
Speaker 1: We've not discussed and we don't think we have the
Speaker 1: We're looking at producer beck Yall where like this is
Speaker 1: a nightmare in terms of execution.
Speaker 2: It's also kind of officially not really up to us anymore.
Speaker 2: I don't know what we can say, what way we can,
Speaker 2: but it is we are nearing the time of really
Speaker 2: being able to say something very big and cool. But
Speaker 2: like I don't know if it's now. We were told
Speaker 2: it might be around now, but I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't Yeah, let's for now watch the space.
Speaker 3: For now.
Speaker 1: We're going to pretend we can say anything we want
Speaker 1: and we'll be told later if we can't. If we're
Speaker 1: in there. That's actually a great way to approach. Ask
Speaker 1: for forgiveness, Yes, ask for forgiveness. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: I'm watching the UK season three Traders right now, and
Speaker 2: there's an Anglican priest on the show, and her defense
Speaker 2: of not being able to be a trader is I
Speaker 2: can't lie. I'm not able to be deceitful. I'm not
Speaker 2: able to do it. I can't be traitorous.
Speaker 1: And was she a trader? Is she traded? No?
Speaker 2: But it's interesting because half the people are like, I mean,
Speaker 2: she's a priest, Like she can't do this, and then
Speaker 2: other people are like, no, she can lie.
Speaker 1: She just has to confess. I yeah, yeah she will,
Speaker 1: but it's unclear like whether or not she feels that way.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. So just know that you can't trust priests.
Speaker 1: Are there fun Northern accents on UK Trader season three
Speaker 1: Because I miss miss Amanda from season one? Iconic Northern
Speaker 1: accent so yeah, there's really good. There's do a northern accent.
Speaker 1: So are you talking about this? It's like it's very scarce.
Speaker 1: She goes really like Alexander. I love being around him.
Speaker 1: It's Cheryl Cole. I can't believe the murder. We've got
Speaker 1: to murder the murder again. And the Tarret. It's like
Speaker 1: in the Tarret, the Tarret. The territt is very bea.
Speaker 1: It's like Liverpool. It's like it's that. I love it,
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: My street.
Speaker 1: That's famously what Cheryl Cole said to cherr Lloyd Oh
Speaker 1: when Cherload was on X Factor. Correct, I'll you're right
Speaker 1: up my streets, right, my straight. This is the most
Speaker 1: gay millennial ship ever. Pretty much is knowing what Cheryl
Speaker 1: Cole said to sher Lloyd from being obsessed with X
Speaker 1: Factor UK on YouTube in two thousand. Who knows? Wait
Speaker 1: a minute call from an eight hundred number, Oh, don't
Speaker 1: pick up. Well, now it's in the voicemail, and that
Speaker 1: means it's in God's hands. It's in gods. It's actually
Speaker 1: a really coachure number eight. When it goes to voicemail,
Speaker 1: that means it's in God's hands. And that is kind
Speaker 1: of how voicemail feels. Now you're just kind of it's
Speaker 1: a message in a bottle, and you're in a terrible
Speaker 1: stormy ocean. Yeah, like who knows if it'll get there? Okay,
Speaker 1: so oscars And then we went to the Vanity Fair party.
Speaker 1: Went to the Vanity Fair party. That was so fun. Fun.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you my favorite sentence that's ever come
Speaker 1: out of my mouth? White bestie summer?
Speaker 3: No, what not?
Speaker 1: My bestie summer? That was fun, that was fun.
Speaker 2: This is my favorite sentence I've ever said out loud. Okay,
Speaker 2: Madison Beer. Do you know Alison Bree?
Speaker 1: Wow? And they hadn't met, but they did, they did,
Speaker 1: and you introduced them.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Our friend Michael brought over Madison Beer, who I was
Speaker 2: so thrilled to me, and I said to her, I
Speaker 2: said to her, Madison Beer, whenever anyone does the glambot,
Speaker 2: I say, why are you doing the glambot? You're not
Speaker 2: Madison Beer, we told.
Speaker 1: And then she died. If you love that. I was
Speaker 1: trying to play it cool around her because Michael, our friend,
Speaker 1: Yes Hoffman, Hello, Hi Michael, somehow became besties with Madison Beer.
Speaker 1: Within me, I get it, scands, I get it, but
Speaker 1: just like, but minutes before m hmm. They just times
Speaker 1: you have chemistry with people like us. But Madison was
Speaker 1: following Michael into the crowd and then we saw Michael
Speaker 1: and said hi. And then I look over and there
Speaker 1: was Madison Beer and the full Glory and I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: how are you. I'm bowing up. It's so nice to
Speaker 1: meet you, trying to play it cool. How's your night going?
Speaker 1: And then finally I was like, finally you came over
Speaker 1: and you were like, you're Madison Beer, and I dropped
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I was like, I mean, where Madison
Speaker 1: and we invited her on the pot. We know if
Speaker 1: you're not listening to Madison Beer's beca are you a stan?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Period? Madison Beer's music is really good. And can I
Speaker 1: say as a boob gay period, that's she is. She
Speaker 1: is top tier.
Speaker 2: And then I was looking to my right at the
Speaker 2: Glory that was Alison Brie, and I said, oh, I
Speaker 2: have to make this happen. I was like, Madison Beard Beard,
Speaker 2: do you know Adams Alison Brie? And they hadn't met.
Speaker 2: They hugged, I can only assume, traded numbers and became
Speaker 2: best friends.
Speaker 1: We'll find out what was the vibe. Because we were
Speaker 1: with mister Ham love him for John had to be
Speaker 1: in close proximity to Alison Brie made me truly thrilled me.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know what's funny. I didn't realize
Speaker 1: it until right after. Oh, like, oh my god, fucking
Speaker 1: Don and Trudy. Oh that was good. You really stay allegend.
Speaker 1: This is my life now. This is actually like a
Speaker 1: perfect microcosm for like what the last month has been,
Speaker 1: and it is my peak and like it's all downhill
Speaker 1: from here. We're at the Vanity Fair party. We're talking,
Speaker 1: we're talking for this person to come up and tap
Speaker 1: me on the shoulder and be like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: thank god you're here.
Speaker 4: M hm.
Speaker 1: For this to be the person I'm about to say
Speaker 1: three words, this was good. We've all been this person
Speaker 1: at any party where it's like, oh, thank god you're here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I have someone to talk to. Megan the Stallion
Speaker 1: coming up to me, she goes, oh my god, thank
Speaker 1: god you're here. I'm like, hi, Hey, Megan thee Stallion.
Speaker 1: Someone i've like fully like been not a professional, I
Speaker 1: have been like enough to be on a professional level
Speaker 1: with and worked with before, but it's every time I'm
Speaker 1: still shocking to me. Whenever she's like Hi, I'm like, Hi,
Speaker 1: it's a bitch, It's Tina Snow. Let's go.
Speaker 2: That whole party was just like and I say this
Speaker 2: in the most revelation I say this, and the most
Speaker 2: how do I say that?
Speaker 1: This and the most reverence. I say this in the
Speaker 1: most reverent way, the most random group of people each other.
Speaker 3: And I was like, whoo.
Speaker 1: And then I don't think we can say where we
Speaker 1: went next. We can't say where we went next, but
Speaker 1: I think we can say this because this is actually
Speaker 1: a huge moment that I want to share with people.
Speaker 1: And it's like the perfect karmic law. We went to
Speaker 1: a party, yes, and we were the Megan thee Stallion
Speaker 1: in this situation where we look around everyone's way too
Speaker 1: cool for us, and then we this is the person
Speaker 1: that we zeroed in on, and we were like, oh,
Speaker 1: we can talk to this person.
Speaker 2: Yes, Chapel Roone, Chapel Roan, and guess what. The groundwork
Speaker 2: has been laid this year for Chapel last. This is
Speaker 2: we're just putting it out there, but incredibly cool. I mean, like,
Speaker 2: was did I did I help facilitate that introduction. But
Speaker 2: that was so kind and like, she was so sweet
Speaker 2: and like.
Speaker 1: But I got to tell her, and I told her
Speaker 1: like when I first met her, I was like, or
Speaker 1: when I first talked to her for interview, I was
Speaker 1: just like, my best friend Matt Ronders was years ahead
Speaker 1: of the curve well, and I was just like, look,
Speaker 1: I was like, Chapel this is my friend Matt likes
Speaker 1: and and you two hit it off. She really liked you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, we love chapelone, and I'm excited
Speaker 2: about I guess, oh, by by the time this comes out,
Speaker 2: I guess by the Giver slash tomorrow the Giver, We're
Speaker 2: headed for a really fun Chapel era.
Speaker 1: Definitely. God tell me, baby, I'm excited. I love it. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, it's really no great bridge God, she's a
Speaker 1: bridge queen. Thank God too. You know what I love
Speaker 1: about Mayhem not a song on three minutes on that
Speaker 1: goddamn album. And thank God for Gaga for bringing back
Speaker 1: the breakdown outro. Please the outros are it helps you
Speaker 1: live in the song. I think you can apply this
Speaker 1: across the board, especially in terms of a pop structure.
Speaker 1: It's like outro us show off the production, highlight the production.
Speaker 1: This is just as key in the song as the vocals.
Speaker 2: Not to give them too much credit, but her highest
Speaker 2: Pitchfork ever, Yeah, sure, eight point zero, mister rich and
Speaker 2: I think it's deserved, and also it's so great to
Speaker 2: see it get the critical acclaim.
Speaker 1: But okay, so are we moving on to Gaga now? Yes? Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean now you know she was on the podcast,
Speaker 1: which we had to keep a secret for a long time. Yes,
Speaker 1: and I'm still not so. We're recording this on Monday,
Speaker 1: two days after the show, and I God, just like
Speaker 1: that is a consummate entertainer in every way, Killa. I
Speaker 1: got to see the sound check for it on Thursday
Speaker 1: and I lost my mind. So good.
Speaker 2: One of the most memorable, both of her performances, some
Speaker 2: of the most memorable in recent memory. We got to
Speaker 2: go on the floor to watch Abrica Dabra and you
Speaker 2: had been saying, like Aberca Dabra goes crazy crazy, and
Speaker 2: it did. And we were also just gagged before we
Speaker 2: started on the podcast. We were like, Gaga performed where
Speaker 2: Ali once performed.
Speaker 1: Gaga performed where Ali once performed, I was honored to
Speaker 1: introduce her for Africa Gatra. So I I brought my friends,
Speaker 1: my dressing room guests, which included Matt too. Before we
Speaker 1: were waiting in the tunnel steps away from the host
Speaker 1: cook change booth where she was getting into her red
Speaker 1: encrusted the war bodysuit with vocally warming up, vocally warming up.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable to be able to be there while she was
Speaker 1: like in the zone getting her voice ready, and then
Speaker 1: just watching her walk on stage and just destroy that
Speaker 1: performance at dress rehearsal. I think this did happen on
Speaker 1: air too, but like on the walkout when she was
Speaker 1: walking on stage, when everyone could everyone in the audience
Speaker 1: can see her, I've never heard a gasp like that.
Speaker 2: Everyone's like, oh, looks all night too, Like even when
Speaker 2: she was going over to the after party, like yeah,
Speaker 2: that was amazing. And just do you see the shots
Speaker 2: that they got of her coming out of them that
Speaker 2: her one eye, the one eye looking truly good holding
Speaker 2: Pip the mouse.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh holding Pip them out. The sketches were
Speaker 1: so good too, just like on Fire this week. And
Speaker 1: I told Bobby like this is like her manager was like,
Speaker 1: I feel like this is reflective of like who she
Speaker 1: is and and you know, maybe even on the nose
Speaker 1: what the album is. I'm seeing on the nose, like
Speaker 1: my analysis of it, it's like all ten to one sketches. Yeah, weird.
Speaker 2: It was weird from the top. I was like, I
Speaker 2: remember the first sketch being that scooter sketch. We were
Speaker 2: all turning to each other and your dress are gonna
Speaker 2: be like that was the first sketch. Was like a huge,
Speaker 2: huge swing, like like which I love.
Speaker 1: I loved and I'm like wait, I'm like so invested
Speaker 1: in this romance now between Marcel and No so sweet.
Speaker 1: It was that little pug that was good. I'm getting
Speaker 1: the dog tomorrow. It is time for you, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I have like I have like dog fever, Yeah, burning up,
Speaker 1: and I'm burning up, burning up for you, bab A
Speaker 1: Jonas Brothers shout yeah, why not love them? Jersey Kings. Oh,
Speaker 1: I never really think about it like that. I never
Speaker 1: think about the Jonas Brothers as Jersey Kings. But I
Speaker 1: guess it's a rural culture. Number thirty. The Jonas Brothers
Speaker 1: are Jersey Kings. And then I can't believe I got
Speaker 1: to sing with her twice. That was never the plan
Speaker 1: was amazing. The plan was always just let's have fun.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to write, you know, a couple of things.
Speaker 1: And then I just lucked out in every possible way
Speaker 1: that like this past week, you sounded so good and
Speaker 1: I said, I was like, I was like, did you
Speaker 1: did you actually do some sort of little vocal training
Speaker 1: because your placement and like the ease with wish you
Speaker 1: were getting up there, you do sing very hard. You
Speaker 1: were very like something about being next to her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I know that sounds crazy, but I would say
Speaker 1: it chromaticable. Yeah, I was the best singer. Well, we
Speaker 1: were on a lot of mushrooms, and we were on
Speaker 1: a lot of mushrooms. But there's something about the chemical
Speaker 1: shit that happens your brain chemistry giving you singing ability
Speaker 1: and ability. Y'all just hit thirty five minutes. By the way,
Speaker 1: thank you beca. Oh no, that's a great way to
Speaker 1: communicate with us because we're just we're just energy.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: That's how producers talk to housewives on set. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they'll they have like, so what you don't know, what
Speaker 1: do you want to right now? Google docs?
Speaker 2: What do you what do you want she be put
Speaker 2: up a Google slide just on a white background that
Speaker 2: said y'all just hit thirty five minutes BTW. So I,
Speaker 2: at one point in my life was hanging out with
Speaker 2: someone who produces for the Housewives, Yes, and they were
Speaker 2: telling me that the way that they get them to
Speaker 2: ask certain questions is they'll put up like like a tablet.
Speaker 2: They'll show up to Meredith Mark and they'll be like,
Speaker 2: ask Angie about this, this this on like at the restaurant,
Speaker 2: and that's how they get reminded to answer certain questions
Speaker 2: or ask certain things, et cetera. Wow, is that it's
Speaker 2: just a producer, like our very own producer, Becca was
Speaker 2: producing us just now.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is how it works. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: some person at a club like holding up their phone
Speaker 1: being like play yeah, play may Stream Mayhem play be
Speaker 1: Ophelia exactly. Yeah that's you, that's me be Ophelia. Okay,
Speaker 1: what afore? Oh yeah, I just amazing. Oh yeah. Vocally no,
Speaker 1: we just we did like extensive musical hustles with her
Speaker 1: in a way that made me really appreciate, like because
Speaker 1: she just kept turning to me and going, it'll just
Speaker 1: be so much funny or if we sound great, And
Speaker 1: I was like, and she was just so exact about
Speaker 1: the way things were phrased and the way things scanned
Speaker 1: on the melody. And so we found the right key
Speaker 1: because like it was in like it was like in
Speaker 1: g and then we got it all the way up
Speaker 1: or down. I don't know, you were up there, we were.
Speaker 1: I think it was a be a B sharper b whatever.
Speaker 1: It was just like we tried it out all these
Speaker 1: different ways, got in your pocket. But like to find
Speaker 1: the right key with a duet with Gaga, I didn't
Speaker 1: realize until literally just now with that sort of would
Speaker 1: like what that means to me? Yep, And it was
Speaker 1: so fun. I mean, I can't believe it. And then
Speaker 1: it's crazy and then I don't know, like what she
Speaker 1: said to us, what she said to me and Celesti newsflash,
Speaker 1: loves celast Everyone loves everyone loves any Any person who
Speaker 1: you would think like seems distant or I don't know,
Speaker 1: like unassailable in a way is obsessed with celestium. And
Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah, would it be Christopher Vega the
Speaker 1: Christopher Vegas, Matt's nickname for Celestie for some reason, and
Speaker 1: just it makes sense when you're there, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: It's like being next to Gaga singing exactly. It's like
Speaker 1: you know, but Gaga was just like telling me in Celesti,
Speaker 1: and this is what she brought up on our episode,
Speaker 1: like community. She's really been revisiting this idea, This thing
Speaker 1: that she misses a lot about coming up in New
Speaker 1: York is that she was like every night doing shows
Speaker 1: at the slipper Room, like having comedians on or doing
Speaker 1: like like you know what I mean. Like she was
Speaker 1: like she was a New York artist, she was a
Speaker 1: New York art community is so important doing her very
Speaker 1: different version of like what you and I were doing.
Speaker 1: Not to compare things, but it's like you and I
Speaker 1: would like bring our fucking props to like shows and
Speaker 1: like be on lineups with people, and that's how we
Speaker 1: got to meet people, and that's why we still keep
Speaker 1: in touch with these people and still have these relationships
Speaker 1: that we cultivate. Like I completely I love that this
Speaker 1: is the thing that she's like really returning to. She
Speaker 1: is like grounded and happy and like really inspired in
Speaker 1: a way that like we haven't seen in a long time,
Speaker 1: not since Chromatica. But that was like during COVID when
Speaker 1: like we couldn't really see it, she wasn't really out
Speaker 1: there doing too much press for it, And it feels
Speaker 1: like in the last five years she's really been in
Speaker 1: that place. And I just love that she that we
Speaker 1: got to intersect at all, yeah, with her, that you
Speaker 1: and I did, that the show that SNL did, she's
Speaker 1: on like a mission of joy too. I feel like
Speaker 1: the the like emotional landscape of Chromatica was different, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it came from a different place, like she's on
Speaker 1: record saying, I came from a place of real pain,
Speaker 1: and so she she's so clearly joyful right now.
Speaker 2: And there was something about, like even with watching her
Speaker 2: to bounce from sketch to sketch at SNL et cetera,
Speaker 2: like watching her do the press that she's doing surrounding
Speaker 2: Mayhem and that she involved us in that was so
Speaker 2: lovely and you know, it's just it feels like it's
Speaker 2: a really good moment. I also think, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: obviously sitting her gagged that you're singing in that sketch,
Speaker 2: but I don't think she's sounded better in years. And
Speaker 2: we were saying to her, like obviously on the album
Speaker 2: the the way that she sings is just so mind blowing.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think it's the best singing that
Speaker 2: she's don in a real which is obviously saying something
Speaker 2: She's one of the greats, but perfect celebrity.
Speaker 1: You kill me. Even at the end of How Bad
Speaker 1: Do You Want Me? It is happening again where I
Speaker 1: listened to an album that I do get I love
Speaker 1: everything on the album, but I get stuck on one.
Speaker 1: So normal, it happens every time something comes out. I
Speaker 1: get stuck on one song and just can't get over it.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting watching the fans discuss that song. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, but Bobby, Bobby Campbell was saying, like the
Speaker 1: day of the album coming out, he goes It's just
Speaker 1: so interesting because like so much of what the fans
Speaker 1: are saying are just echoes of what you and Matt
Speaker 1: were saying in that we listened to it. We listened
Speaker 1: to it, yeah, and like it never crossed their minds.
Speaker 1: They were like, oh, I guess it does sound like
Speaker 1: a tailor's song.
Speaker 2: Because I did say, forty five seconds into listening to
Speaker 2: How Bad Do You Want Me? I did say, this
Speaker 2: is giving Taylor and Bobby was like really yeah, And
Speaker 2: I was like, but is it not? Like it's sort
Speaker 2: of and that has I will drag myself now, and
Speaker 2: I will also drag everyone who's kind of saying that.
Speaker 2: And here's why I don't get upset yet. What I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say is Taylor didn't invent that kind of pop music.
Speaker 1: Go back to the fame.
Speaker 2: Like before Taylor was doing pop, like Lady Gaga had
Speaker 2: big emotional pop songs like Papa Razzi, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like that's a big emotional pop song.
Speaker 1: And like Gaga also has roots in this kind of thing,
Speaker 1: she hasn't done it in a while, right, right, right,
Speaker 1: But I feel like to give this entire genre to
Speaker 1: Taylor speaks a little bit to like Taylor's omnipresence, which
Speaker 1: I guess is understandable. But let's not say this isn't
Speaker 1: a Gaga song, because it's very much a Gaga song
Speaker 1: if you give it's broad I think I just love
Speaker 1: that I'm in this. I like that I'm able to
Speaker 1: radiate out from this album and connect it to other
Speaker 1: Gaga things where I'm like, yeah, this is the same
Speaker 1: woman who sang fucking Edge of Glory, which is basically
Speaker 1: like a Springsteen song who sang shallow obviously yeah, like
Speaker 1: and everything off of jo Wanne and everything, and like
Speaker 1: Rick Rubenshin on art pop, it's like she's so expansive
Speaker 1: as an artist, like it's a culmination. It's it's like
Speaker 1: she's my favorite, She's my favorite.
Speaker 2: It name another legend anyway, All right, now, do we
Speaker 2: feel like we did a culture catch up? Is there
Speaker 2: anything that we missed that people are gonna be saying, well,
Speaker 2: we missed it, which is doesn't feel good?
Speaker 1: Doesn't feel good? No, God, we don't like that. No.
Speaker 1: I think I think we covered our basis and now
Speaker 1: we present to you are very very We don't know
Speaker 1: what the conversation is yet because we haven't had it.
Speaker 1: I actually I have some thoughts about things to ask
Speaker 1: her me too. Wouldn't you believe it? Wouldn't you believe it?
Speaker 1: We're so excited to talk to Kate Blanchette here it is.
Speaker 1: Our conversation with two time Academy Awarde Ulsa is calling
Speaker 1: while we're sitting here was one of the greatest ever, truly, truly,
Speaker 1: truly one of the greatest ever. Okay, I mean, we're
Speaker 1: not gonna waste any time she's here. We've done a
Speaker 1: whole preamble already. Two time Oscar winner Countless Beftiz and.
Speaker 2: The winner of the Kate Blanchette Award for Good Acting
Speaker 2: at the Lost coult Rasos Cultural Awards, which I believe
Speaker 2: gagged the audience harder than anything that anything else.
Speaker 1: It was a harder gag than even when, like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, Taylor sent in two videos and that was
Speaker 1: a gag. But when Kate Blanchette sent a I was
Speaker 1: gonna say wordless, but no, you did say the words
Speaker 1: I want. Yes, you know, confetti went up that air.
Speaker 1: It was a huge acceptance. Small man, if your dog
Speaker 1: got scared, yeah it was.
Speaker 3: It was a big moment for everybody.
Speaker 2: Yes, well it deserved it. I mean, this is the
Speaker 2: star of Black Bag, which is out this Friday, which
Speaker 2: we saw. We love Soderbergh's new one. I mean, so
Speaker 2: exciting and let's waste no more time. Everyone, Please welcome
Speaker 2: into your ears.
Speaker 3: Ok thank you, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Okay, we just discussed a shoe theory. Yeah tell us this.
Speaker 3: No, I was told today while I was wearing white sneakers.
Speaker 3: If you wear white sneakers. It means you're not getting
Speaker 3: any but you are not a fornicator. And I just went,
Speaker 3: hang on a minute. And I've been sending out really
Speaker 3: bad signals for quite a long time. And I have
Speaker 3: three pairs which I wear. I alternate, so I'm basically
Speaker 3: in Well I'm not today, I'm wearing heels, but a
Speaker 3: lot of the time I'm sending out non fornications and
Speaker 3: even signal.
Speaker 1: Do this person seem like an authority on this or
Speaker 1: were you like, okay, he said it.
Speaker 3: With great authority, but I was, and I was very alarmed.
Speaker 3: You know, you think you get dressed, you're getting dressed
Speaker 3: for yourself, right, you don't over well, I mean I
Speaker 3: didn't overthink the sequence. You're in the right place, but
Speaker 3: you know you don't. You don't think that's a signal
Speaker 3: you're sending out right? Never maybe you were a nun's
Speaker 3: habit or absiny and gloves you think maybe that?
Speaker 1: So is that what this person was saying, like it's
Speaker 1: a it's a chastity signal?
Speaker 3: Like well, I don't know. It seemed to be a
Speaker 3: little bit like wearing your keys on. Whichever is that
Speaker 3: is that?
Speaker 1: Really? Eighties? Wait, what's that about like.
Speaker 3: So much seventies and eighties. I'm gay and I know
Speaker 3: that like as like a as like a way to
Speaker 3: like say you see that. So if you do that,
Speaker 3: does that mean I'm available?
Speaker 1: Oh? I'm availing.
Speaker 2: Everything I do is shouting that I'm available. And I
Speaker 2: also want to say I wear sneakers a lot. And
Speaker 2: you were saying I don't have problems before we rolled it.
Speaker 3: Now what sex problems? You don't have problems getting it?
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying my sluttiest times were when I was
Speaker 2: in a white converse. I used to wear a white
Speaker 2: leather converse to like weddings where I was singing.
Speaker 3: But you were you wearing anything else?
Speaker 1: I was wearing like a blue.
Speaker 2: Suit or a red suit my wedding sort of drag,
Speaker 2: and then a white leather converse because I think I'm
Speaker 2: gay and can get away with it. You can go
Speaker 2: to a straight wedding and you can kind of take
Speaker 2: a swing with the shoe.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know what I mean, But not with a
Speaker 3: white converse. Apparently, did you get did you get any
Speaker 3: of that? Each I did?
Speaker 1: I hooked up with the bride, so it's scrubbish.
Speaker 3: Yes, I don't need to be worried.
Speaker 1: You can.
Speaker 3: You can put them back on my bunion will be
Speaker 3: so happy you buy another pair.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy not that honestly though, because there, Why
Speaker 1: did they get a little scuff? You need a backup
Speaker 1: in a backup back, That's what I said.
Speaker 3: I said in a very apologetic way. I said, they're
Speaker 3: a little bit scuffy and dirty. So does that mean
Speaker 3: street that looks desperate? That's like I'm trying to pretend
Speaker 3: that I'm not wearing them anyway. I was freaked out
Speaker 3: by a message that I didn't know that I was sending.
Speaker 1: I don't believe anyone believes that you're not getting any No,
Speaker 1: you don't give celibate, okay, I don't give celibate. No,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: I gave in to the reference.
Speaker 1: Could you play celibate? Celibate? Have you played a none? Not? Not?
Speaker 3: Intentionally played it none? An alcoholic none?
Speaker 1: Yes? An alcoholic none?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Which film was that?
Speaker 3: Then prostrated herself on the grave of a priest? But
Speaker 3: I don't think that that was sexual intentionally. But then, yeah,
Speaker 3: I see, And did it feel right in the body?
Speaker 3: Did it feel good in the spirit?
Speaker 1: Like you do it again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't wear underwear, okay, but it was set
Speaker 3: back in time, you know. The worst speaking of not
Speaker 3: wearing underwear, where I played Queen of the Elves, they
Speaker 3: gave they gave the I don't know the toy man
Speaker 3: of fact sing thing to some company, and a lot
Speaker 3: of the Hobbits were very upset because they didn't feel
Speaker 3: that those toys were going to be made properly. And
Speaker 3: my I had a little and then I had one
Speaker 3: child and I have four, so clearly born. But I
Speaker 3: gave the elf toy of me Galadriel to my son,
Speaker 3: and he was really upset because he said, else don't
Speaker 3: wear underwear, and they hadn't bothered to put underwear on
Speaker 3: the elf toy.
Speaker 1: But they did for the Hobbits.
Speaker 3: You said, no, no, But the Hobbits were upset because
Speaker 3: they didn't feel the toys were going to be made properly,
Speaker 3: and they weren't because I wore underwears and elf. I
Speaker 3: think elves do wear underwear.
Speaker 1: I think. So when you see the Hobbits were upset,
Speaker 1: do you mean the actress who play the Hobbits? We
Speaker 1: shore you're talking.
Speaker 3: About my friends, the hobby community. I meant, I meant
Speaker 3: the heart the actor Hobbits, not really Hobbits.
Speaker 1: Right, really Hobbits. Yeah, I guess I have not ever
Speaker 1: had the experience of having a toy made of me
Speaker 1: and you will. I don't think that will be that
Speaker 1: injustice be corrected. Do you have input in that process?
Speaker 3: Well, no, clearly I didn't, because if they had asked me,
Speaker 3: I would have I would have said they had knitted underwear. Yeah,
Speaker 3: knitted I think hilandriol out of elf kind of web.
Speaker 1: Yeah sure, yeah, but if you're immortal, if you're in
Speaker 1: Elf in Tolkien's world in Middle Earth, it's like you.
Speaker 3: Don't need to wash your underwear, but you need to
Speaker 3: wear it. Yes, okay, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: Wow. I never thought about their process in terms of
Speaker 1: like their Sartorius.
Speaker 3: You know, we should see this toy. It was discussing
Speaker 3: it's like Bobby not having gentitles. Do you think after
Speaker 3: the Bobby movie that the Bobbies are now going to
Speaker 3: have genitals? I mean, that's what kids learn about stuff.
Speaker 1: You know. What's funny.
Speaker 2: One time I remember seeing when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: there was a ken with like more of a lump there,
Speaker 2: and I was being it did weird me out, and
Speaker 2: I was like, if people thought this was something that
Speaker 2: needed to be corrected, I can now tell you as
Speaker 2: someone who's seen a Ken with a penis, we didn't
Speaker 2: need this.
Speaker 3: But it was a lumpu is not a penis. But
Speaker 3: it was sugges something you need to get checked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, it help?
Speaker 3: Yeah that, But I know, I know I didn't learn
Speaker 3: a lot from Bobby's growing up or Ken's.
Speaker 1: What did you play with?
Speaker 3: What did I play with as a kid? I had?
Speaker 3: I had a ballerina Bobby and so the crown you
Speaker 3: could turn her around. I had one of which I
Speaker 3: loved is I had one of those dolls, which was
Speaker 3: a Red Riding Hood wolf doll. When you turned it
Speaker 3: upside down, it was the wolf and the other way around.
Speaker 3: So you don't you can get out of the vine, yes.
Speaker 1: Skirt?
Speaker 3: Well, yes, when it was the wolf right?
Speaker 1: Oh, but the wolf was dressed as the grandmother. Oh wait?
Speaker 1: Was it was it Red Riding Hood and the wolf,
Speaker 1: because that changes the story in a way.
Speaker 3: It wasn't the grandmother.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, But the wolf was dressed as the grand Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the skirt.
Speaker 3: Was kind of brown. It was a bit amish. It
Speaker 3: was an amish I got, of course.
Speaker 1: God, what performance they were giving?
Speaker 3: What did you guys play with?
Speaker 1: I had an Aladdin Ken doll and he had the
Speaker 1: suggestion of a lump as well, okay, and kind of
Speaker 1: a queer awakening for me. I went, well, he's really
Speaker 1: handsome and I'd like to see him naked, right, you know,
Speaker 1: I think? Okay. So you're saying children learn from these dolls, Well.
Speaker 3: They could, right, they could learn from the dolls.
Speaker 1: I just I'm not learning as much as I am
Speaker 1: just like intrigued by my own like fascination, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, I'm.
Speaker 3: Would you definitely with those dolls? They're made to be
Speaker 3: dressed and undressed?
Speaker 1: Yes, so it could be.
Speaker 3: I mean then when it's your body starts to change.
Speaker 1: And you go, oh okay, yeah. I think one of
Speaker 1: my favorites is.
Speaker 3: No longer a lump. It's something that's up doing something, it's.
Speaker 1: Meaning something else.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite parts of the Barbie movie was
Speaker 2: the depiction of like the fucked Barbie that Kate McKinnon played,
Speaker 2: the one that was just throwed hard and put away wet.
Speaker 2: Because I really was the king of the Barbies. My
Speaker 2: sister had dozens.
Speaker 3: Of them for some reason, and and you were never
Speaker 3: given any.
Speaker 1: So no, but I kind of was. I did. I remember.
Speaker 2: Actually one of my earliest memories I'm from Long Island
Speaker 2: was sitting on Santa's lap and asking for a barbie and.
Speaker 1: His reaction being really negative.
Speaker 2: Oh and so I could never ask for one because
Speaker 2: it was really explicit in that moment, like, don't ask
Speaker 2: for that, Like, yeah, sort of Long Island man playing
Speaker 2: Santa really instance.
Speaker 3: Creepy anyway, exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean it's really that. That's all a lot.
Speaker 3: We did the visit to to the grotto with our
Speaker 3: kids one time when they were little, and they were like,
Speaker 3: this is wrong, and.
Speaker 1: You're sort of watching it as a parent, like seeing
Speaker 1: the pageantry a little differently, I would imagine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I was quite traumatized by
Speaker 3: the Santa Claus Grotto growing up.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: All the photos were like kids can smell the booze. Yeah,
Speaker 3: parents taking the photo is slightly removed so they can't
Speaker 3: smell it.
Speaker 1: They're not within an inch of Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm sure that was before they did the
Speaker 3: safety chase.
Speaker 2: Yes, i mean it's like like allowing your children to
Speaker 2: go over there. Have like a private conversation with this,
Speaker 2: like with a.
Speaker 3: Dude who's wearing you cannot recognize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's just truly ensconced in like all this
Speaker 1: like fun friendly stuff and it's just it's dark. It
Speaker 1: belies something very it does very in.
Speaker 2: The Barbie thing. I remember for us, me and my
Speaker 2: sister was a lot about survival. We would play Titanic
Speaker 2: with the Barbies and like they would they would slowly
Speaker 2: pass away to the devastation that was caused by the
Speaker 2: Titanic that iceberg in nineteen.
Speaker 3: Twenty and the one that remained got to be undressed.
Speaker 3: It was as it was.
Speaker 2: Always like this is me as a kid. It was
Speaker 2: always like the prettiest Barbie. Yeah, she wore like a blue,
Speaker 2: very shiny mini dress, and it was it was always her.
Speaker 2: She was always the sole survivor of the rose as
Speaker 2: it were.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. But yeah, no, I do remember like really
Speaker 1: loving that that group of that community of women that
Speaker 1: was the Barbies, the ensemble cast.
Speaker 3: I know, when you never had your own, but I
Speaker 3: only had the one. I found them boring in the end, right,
Speaker 3: I loved the movie, but I found yeah, the actual
Speaker 3: So my kids have never had yeah, barbies probably good.
Speaker 1: Would you besides Galadriel, would you want other characters that
Speaker 1: you portrayed to be dolls? I feel like I'm Sheba Heart.
Speaker 1: Sheba Heart doll would be very fun, a notes on
Speaker 1: a scandal dolls. That would be very fun.
Speaker 3: That would be interesting, that would be interesting. There were
Speaker 3: some really good games you could play with those dogs.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny.
Speaker 2: Separately of each other, we were like, we obviously watched
Speaker 2: Black Bag phenomenal, and then we were we each picked
Speaker 2: one of your other movies watching last Night.
Speaker 1: Didn't tell each other it was notes on It is
Speaker 1: one of our favorite films. It is fun every time.
Speaker 3: Oh god, she turns ninety something, she's just had her birthday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Temple, yes, Temple, how old I am? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But she was fabulous, She's amazing. I wanted to ask, like,
Speaker 2: the really just pronounced queerness of your filmography is that
Speaker 2: like it? It's really it's really something. I mean, I
Speaker 2: was thinking about it, and there's there's elements.
Speaker 1: Of this in a lot of what you do. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean tar obviously, I guess.
Speaker 3: I guess it's growing up in Sydney.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: I spent so much time at gaining lesbian Marti Gar,
Speaker 3: which was just wild. I think it's been a bit
Speaker 3: o h and s now, but the parties were so fabulous.
Speaker 2: I went a couple of years ago for a World
Speaker 2: Pride and I was really blown away by how Sidney
Speaker 2: really committed to and embraced the fact that they were
Speaker 2: hosting Pride. It was really lovely, especially now with everything
Speaker 2: going on. Looking back at that, I was like, I
Speaker 2: wonder if an American city would go for it this hard,
Speaker 2: because Sydney was really felt beautiful to be there because
Speaker 2: it felt like a very queer city.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it totally is. It's occupational health and safety.
Speaker 1: Oh I did, I did?
Speaker 3: I the opening right?
Speaker 1: Wait? So, and you're saying, Australian Marty Gar.
Speaker 3: The things that went on in those rossrooms, in in
Speaker 3: the clubs that but you know you were probably too
Speaker 3: young to go to you know that they've they've all
Speaker 3: been kind of cordened off.
Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah, I feel like you would have a fun
Speaker 1: experience going to I think it's a vent. Are still
Speaker 1: happening in the world over. Yeah, I would encourage you to.
Speaker 1: We came out in my white sneakers and your white sneakers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, dude, back off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen me alone. I'm not interested. Don't you see
Speaker 1: my feet?
Speaker 3: But non fornicue?
Speaker 2: Yeah, hello, look at the shoes. We're going to Berlin
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks, We're going to go to Burkehi.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yes, yes, once. It's pretty wild to
Speaker 3: wait in line and like you do the whole thing
Speaker 3: of being weak. I knew someone who knew someone who
Speaker 3: knew something.
Speaker 1: Okay, I got cha. Was this recent?
Speaker 3: I can't remember, maybe five six years ago? Okay, it
Speaker 3: was pre COVID.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, just for COVID, I guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't. You don't need to keep your eyes open.
Speaker 3: Things just happened. Oh yeah you can.
Speaker 1: You can close your eyes and things happen.
Speaker 3: And things happen. It depends, well, it depends where you are.
Speaker 3: It's a bit of a labyrinth. Sure, I mean, and
Speaker 3: look there were things and places that I did not
Speaker 3: go into.
Speaker 1: Sure, I'm a bit too for me. A bit is
Speaker 1: title about to I. I just want to go to
Speaker 1: the Did you go to the gelato stand?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, is this a famous thing? Yeah, there's a gelato
Speaker 1: stand that people like, everyone's just serving gelato. I love
Speaker 1: it at all, relief.
Speaker 3: A palate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's fun from the delights from the cardinal.
Speaker 3: Oh well, so I used to say, a research trip
Speaker 3: it is, how did you How did you know?
Speaker 1: How did you know? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just assumed always working. Oh wow, Okay, I don't
Speaker 3: I don't want to prize it out.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I was just going to say, we
Speaker 1: I can't tell if we want to go down the
Speaker 1: front of a friend of a friend route or if
Speaker 1: we I think it would be informative for us to
Speaker 1: wait in the line and being rejected.
Speaker 3: Yes, they won't reject you.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think they may. I think I'm
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 3: You look gay at all?
Speaker 1: Count against us.
Speaker 3: I'm looking for you.
Speaker 1: We won't wear white shoes because what if they feel
Speaker 1: about what if they feel about this week? I was
Speaker 1: telling Dada this when she was at SNL. Was like,
Speaker 1: She's like, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: How amazed? I'mmenal, god phenomenal anyway, anyway, but the only
Speaker 3: thing more exciting was you in I'm not excited. I'm
Speaker 3: not excited.
Speaker 1: I was, Yeah, it was amazing volcanic. No, I did erupt.
Speaker 1: She she was saying that she has been turned away.
Speaker 1: She has been turned away from that line because they
Speaker 1: were like, I think the implication was she was like,
Speaker 1: I think it was because I was a woman and
Speaker 1: it was a bit too sexy of a night, a
Speaker 1: bit too fornic katie of a night in a way
Speaker 1: that was exclusive to fallacies. You know what I mean? Oh, Okay,
Speaker 1: So I think maybe that's the thing that happens, depending
Speaker 1: on and you're.
Speaker 3: Going to she could have bought one. Yeah, you can
Speaker 3: all buy a fallacy.
Speaker 1: You can't buy a hole. You can't buy an orifice,
Speaker 1: Which wouldn't you agree?
Speaker 4: You have many of them, so many, but don't you
Speaker 4: want to Like, I think buying a fact gives you
Speaker 4: like a degree of removal in a way that you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm.
Speaker 1: Purely using I can put this away. Yeah, I can
Speaker 1: put this away. A hole as a hole in your
Speaker 1: You're you're stuck with it.
Speaker 3: I don't mind being stuck with mine. I'm great happy.
Speaker 3: I don't want Tom pleased to have all the holes
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 1: Yes, but I'm.
Speaker 3: Talk to me after you've been to burg show.
Speaker 1: For family communities. I don't think anyone's they're not going
Speaker 1: to be shock by anything.
Speaker 3: But are you are you taking in a microphone? You
Speaker 3: won't be allowed to take it in unless.
Speaker 1: You Oh no, we're not taking But it's research. It's
Speaker 1: research where the phone being put away, right.
Speaker 3: But there's so actually, there's so few spaces that you
Speaker 3: can go now where you are private like that, where
Speaker 3: people can really That's what I loved about the late
Speaker 3: eighties going to all of the dance parties in Sydney. Yeah,
Speaker 3: for the Mardi.
Speaker 1: Gras is because people were just there.
Speaker 3: There was so present, you know, they were just together
Speaker 3: collectively having a great time. That was non aggressive. No
Speaker 3: one was being recorded, no one cared what anyone did
Speaker 3: the other night.
Speaker 2: We went to a place like that. There's a place
Speaker 2: called Basement. Yes, they put a tag on the phone.
Speaker 3: It was Yeah.
Speaker 1: It celebrated the idea of.
Speaker 3: Such a relief of I think people are profoundly relieved,
Speaker 3: and I feel I don't need to record this, right,
Speaker 3: I can just tell people or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But now it feels like that chasm between that
Speaker 1: kind of event, that ideal is widening from the thing
Speaker 1: that's very common now at like an award show. Let's say,
Speaker 1: where you've got lip readers. You're being photographed in lip readers.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. On TikTok.
Speaker 2: There'll be people that are, you know, looking at a
Speaker 2: video of two celebrities talking to each other and at
Speaker 2: an show they lip read, and it looks like it
Speaker 2: it looks like it could be exactly what you're saying
Speaker 2: in a way that's a little bit odd.
Speaker 1: That's really what I mean.
Speaker 3: Do something learn ikeybana or something.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like the skill that there's so many trains. Yeah. Wow,
Speaker 1: but that makes it feel even kind of more treacherous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is treacherous.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: You do see celebrities nowadays on the carpet going like
Speaker 2: this a lot because you know those are the ones
Speaker 2: on TikTok and know they're at risk of being lip red.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but I mean I say, I mean, it's blasphemy.
Speaker 3: Go back to the day when it wasn't televised, you know,
Speaker 3: bring that back and just have a great party where
Speaker 3: people can just let go. I mean, the industry is
Speaker 3: so scattered in such a point of which I think
Speaker 3: could potentially be exciting or it could be really depressing, right,
Speaker 3: but it's at a pivot point, and so we need
Speaker 3: to gather together and celebrate what it is that we
Speaker 3: do without it having to have any public facing. I mean,
Speaker 3: the fashion is great and all of that stuff. Well,
Speaker 3: we'll find out in the end who won or who
Speaker 3: didn't win, you know, but it would be so nice
Speaker 3: that that happened behind closed doors. A very different evening.
Speaker 2: You were saying that, especially after you know, the Oscars
Speaker 2: just happened, and there's it just feels like the march
Speaker 2: to that evening is so long. Do you feel there's
Speaker 2: maybe too many ceremonies, Well.
Speaker 1: That's what you're saying, like untelevised them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you still have them. It's so great. It's so
Speaker 3: great that people's work is celebrated and we and that way.
Speaker 3: I think there's a kind of a sense that because
Speaker 3: this is the thing is you all these films are amazing.
Speaker 3: There's so many amazing films and performances and and all
Speaker 3: of the craft awards cinematography, and you know there you
Speaker 3: want you want to celebrate them, of course, but you
Speaker 3: can get sick of those films by the time because
Speaker 3: they all get whittled down as they must. Yes, and
Speaker 3: then I don't want to get sick of any of
Speaker 3: those films because they're brilliant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I fantasy value there.
Speaker 2: There doesn't need to be an over conversation about Honora
Speaker 2: the way that it's happening on online and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: to the point where it's we really lose.
Speaker 3: It's amazing, it's great, and it is amazing full style.
Speaker 3: Sean Baker is a genius.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes he is. I'm such a fan of his
Speaker 1: for such a long time. Yeah, he's brilliant.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Red Rocket was Red Rock. It was really incredible.
Speaker 3: When she got off the bed with him and then
Speaker 3: sang like an angel at the at the synth. It
Speaker 3: was just breathtaking.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Just his earlier stuff has the same DNA of
Speaker 1: like the realism to it. It's it's all pretty consistent.
Speaker 1: What was the most Soderbrik thing that he did on
Speaker 1: I feel like he's such an expansive filmmaker. He can
Speaker 1: do pretty much anything. Like I think it's crazy that
Speaker 1: he's like under budget so many times.
Speaker 3: When he when he makes the time, he's got this,
Speaker 3: he's he made the presence. If you haven't seen that recently.
Speaker 3: Lucy Lou was in it and the cast was amazing
Speaker 3: and it was set in a house where a family
Speaker 3: moved in and it was haunted by a presence. And
Speaker 3: so the whole narrative unfolds according to what the presence
Speaker 3: in the house learns. Oh, it's amazing, but he shot that,
Speaker 3: I think in nine or eleven days. So it's like, oh, man,
Speaker 3: how quickly are we going to shoot black bag? But
Speaker 3: the thing with Soderberg is he's so economical. He's so
Speaker 3: he always gets into work early. He knows how he's
Speaker 3: going to shoot it. But the reason why he started
Speaker 3: to operate, I asked him finally. I'd worked with him before,
Speaker 3: but I've gotten to ask him. He edits, he lights, shoots,
Speaker 3: he directs, He doesn't write anymore. But he said the
Speaker 3: reason why he operates is because he wants it to
Speaker 3: keep moving and flowing, and he doesn't want the actors
Speaker 3: to go off the boil waiting around between takes and setups.
Speaker 3: And so what he does is you start at the
Speaker 3: normal time, but you're done by three, which is great.
Speaker 3: Do you want to pick up your kids from school
Speaker 3: or I don't know, get on a plane and go
Speaker 3: to Berkeley is But then what he does, he's at
Speaker 3: a workhorse as he goes and he edits and so
Speaker 3: then where he spends the money is keeping the sets
Speaker 3: open so if he needs to pick something up, he can,
Speaker 3: and so he assembles the thing. But then he's really forensic,
Speaker 3: gives no, that's too long, No, that piece of information
Speaker 3: needs to be revealed there. And so it's a really
Speaker 3: fluid thing with him. So you've got to dance with him.
Speaker 3: But he did say typical sodaberg was I said, we
Speaker 3: did one take and he wanted to move on, and
Speaker 3: I said to him, I said, I said, are we
Speaker 3: moving on because you're bored, because you've got it? And
Speaker 3: he went yes, and yes he was bored with me
Speaker 3: and heed. So he's but he's great. He's really blunt,
Speaker 3: but he really really loves actors. And the cast in
Speaker 3: Black Bag.
Speaker 1: Is Yeah, it's really I wasn't.
Speaker 2: I was surprised that it was such an ensemble, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that is, and then it really is like it's like
Speaker 2: a watching a very thrilling, stylish play.
Speaker 1: And I say that and obviously the most you know
Speaker 1: rever not to spoil it. There's there's like there's like
Speaker 1: a fun like almost like POI ro Agatha christiasue it
Speaker 1: that I loved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, well, it's basically about a fast spender monk
Speaker 3: husband and I play husband and wife and their espionage,
Speaker 3: you know, M I five, m I six, But it's
Speaker 3: all with technology, so it's a real It's like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I can't even open my phone. So that
Speaker 3: was the acting bit that I had to do. But
Speaker 3: they're devoted to each other, they're married, and then he
Speaker 3: suspects her of being involved in this release in this cyberworm.
Speaker 3: She sounds pretty icky. I wouldn't want to hear the
Speaker 3: noise that is cyberworm.
Speaker 1: It's probably.
Speaker 3: Film, you know, the coot film Existence. Existence. The noise
Speaker 3: that it made when Jennifer, Jason Lee and Judelore put
Speaker 3: the portal into their body made made me what it
Speaker 3: was like. How did you feel about the substance, the substance,
Speaker 3: what the noises? I thought the sound was unbelievable. I
Speaker 3: had a similar kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, misoponia, misophonia.
Speaker 3: Yes, mesophonia and quinophobia, which is what Tar had.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah, So speaking of Tar, because this was
Speaker 2: truly our favorite movie. I remember I we watched it.
Speaker 2: We didn't see it together, but.
Speaker 1: We both had the same exact checking with each other.
Speaker 1: We were like wow, wow, wow.
Speaker 2: Well I remember leaving the movie the first time and
Speaker 2: feeling really confused after the first five and ten minutes,
Speaker 2: walking out of the movie, being like what And then
Speaker 2: I realized, like as I thought of it, I was like,
Speaker 2: that was phenomenal, and it just wasn't ultimately the genre
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be at the top
Speaker 2: YEA thought it ended up being this like incredibly funny
Speaker 2: satire in a way, but also like presenting as this
Speaker 2: like very stark drama from the whole time, and it
Speaker 2: is both of those things. But the question I wanted
Speaker 2: to ask you was, and I find this with several
Speaker 2: of your movies, are you ever really surprised when you
Speaker 2: see the end result of something in terms of the
Speaker 2: tone and genre from when you read it the first time?
Speaker 3: There was so much I mean tar made and first
Speaker 3: sitting because it asks a lot of the audience right,
Speaker 3: made a lot of people really angry, And you know,
Speaker 3: I was really grateful to the critics and the people
Speaker 3: who had seen it, who kept alive all of the
Speaker 3: other balls that Todd Field had written, because people said, oh,
Speaker 3: it's about cancel culture, or it's about abuses of power,
Speaker 3: but it wasn't. I always thought it was about about
Speaker 3: what happens in the art For me personally anyway, when
Speaker 3: we create something, we forget that we have to destroy something,
Speaker 3: you know, And so it's the destructive urge in the
Speaker 3: creative force. You don't have to be an artist to
Speaker 3: have a creative force, but we all want to make
Speaker 3: something in the world. But you often have to be
Speaker 3: really brutal with yourself when you make that. So and
Speaker 3: there was quite a lot of there was kind of
Speaker 3: a ghost story in that, and so we you know,
Speaker 3: and there were elements in there. I guess it's far
Speaker 3: enough away. I didn't want to talk about it when
Speaker 3: it was coming out, because you don't want to tell
Speaker 3: an audience too much with a movie like that. Definitely,
Speaker 3: but you know, we shot things or talked about things
Speaker 3: that we decided not to shoot. In the end, you
Speaker 3: know that the gift and I've got friends who are
Speaker 3: conductors who have perfect pitch.
Speaker 1: You probably have. I do not.
Speaker 3: I apparently have a three octave range thore. Wow, apparently
Speaker 3: I just wanted to throw that in there. No, but
Speaker 3: that she had perfect pitch and incredible music ability that
Speaker 3: her parents were she was raised by deaf parents. So
Speaker 3: when I thought about the Earl, it was an early
Speaker 3: sequence and these are very very minor things that I used.
Speaker 3: There was a shot I think from memory of her
Speaker 3: conducting as a student, which I think it'd ended up
Speaker 3: in a movie, and I used sign language to how
Speaker 3: I conducted then. But that was just fun. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, they're not even easter eggs because you're not
Speaker 3: ever thinking that the audience will pick those things up.
Speaker 3: But there was so much in there, and he's such
Speaker 3: a great writer. I have to get him out of
Speaker 3: the barn, Toddfield. So he makes another film before Ten
Speaker 3: Years Past the.
Speaker 1: Barn, the Bar. But hard to price someone out of
Speaker 1: a barn, it is, No, I'm just I'm just saying, like, do.
Speaker 3: You have a barn?
Speaker 1: God? Do you want to? I want to barn?
Speaker 3: You want someone to pries you out of it? I'm
Speaker 3: going into the bar.
Speaker 1: I'm going I would love a bar, Are you kidding?
Speaker 1: And you'd be great in a barn. I really do
Speaker 1: think I would love a barn personally, not very good
Speaker 1: with hay and all that. No, it doesn't. No, it's
Speaker 1: just I like my little creature comforts. But so do
Speaker 1: you now I'm thinking you wouldn't love a barn.
Speaker 3: Now you get a cashmere bar, a little barn, a
Speaker 3: barn by wayfair.
Speaker 1: I don't mean a barn functionally, I mean a barn
Speaker 1: just in terms of a metapharic. Yeah, somewhere to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has a literal and a metaphorica.
Speaker 1: There you go. It's a two for a job. It's
Speaker 1: like you gotta bring him out of the headspace and
Speaker 1: the actual physical space. True, well, true, I mean tar
Speaker 1: is just for me. Do you consider it a comedy
Speaker 1: because I feel like it's one of the great comedies
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 3: Was really funny. Yeah, you know, I mean how seriously
Speaker 3: she took herself.
Speaker 2: The second time I watched it, I couldn't stop laughing
Speaker 2: at the first conversation the top back's so funny. Oh,
Speaker 2: just how seriously she takes herself. And like the performance
Speaker 2: that is happening, and really the amount of ego, because
Speaker 2: that was that's really ultimately.
Speaker 1: I think it's just like crazy meditation on ego.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it is, but you have to having stepped
Speaker 3: onto the podium in front of the Dressden Philharmony as
Speaker 3: a woman, you know, but as a conductor anyway, is
Speaker 3: they sense fear. So you have to as a conductor,
Speaker 3: you have to have a lot of and that you
Speaker 3: have to say this is where we're going. And because
Speaker 3: I realized it to be like boarding school, like a
Speaker 3: lot of the members they're all soloists, right, but the
Speaker 3: conductor has to bring them to make one unified sound.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of egos and complications. And they
Speaker 3: would all come up to me and start talking to
Speaker 3: me and telling me things about you know, I know
Speaker 3: I'm acting as the first cello, but I'm really only
Speaker 3: the second cello, so I'm really concerned about And it
Speaker 3: was like, you have to hold all of this stuff together.
Speaker 3: But I got up there and they hadn't played together
Speaker 3: because of COVID they had the orchestra hadn't played together
Speaker 3: for quite a long many many months, right, And so
Speaker 3: when I said, look in my bad germ and I said,
Speaker 3: when i'm you know, I'm not an actor. I mean
Speaker 3: I'm not a conductor. You're not actors, and we're going
Speaker 3: to have to swap roles, so let's be patient with
Speaker 3: one another. And I gave the downbeat at the rehearsal
Speaker 3: and they didn't follow me, and I went let's start again.
Speaker 3: And they all went ooh, and they realized in fact
Speaker 3: that I didn't. I mean I was I was winging it.
Speaker 3: I did a lot of you know, preparation, and I
Speaker 3: examined the score and everything, and I had the music
Speaker 3: in my those bits of music in my head. But
Speaker 3: it was such a gift because then they had to
Speaker 3: lean in realize that we did have to do it together.
Speaker 3: But it's not a film about conducting.
Speaker 1: So it's not well, I feel like you telling that
Speaker 1: story filtered through the character of Lydiuitar makes me think of, like,
Speaker 1: I am Petra's father. It's like that is that that's
Speaker 1: the same person in a completely different context of like, no,
Speaker 1: she thinks of herself as she is that person that
Speaker 1: like is being like called for at the school or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, and I think she was probably
Speaker 3: mercilessly bullied herself. Yeah. And it's also I think when
Speaker 3: you have an exceptional gift like that, And I always
Speaker 3: imagined her having parents who were made fun of and
Speaker 3: who couldn't hear the thing that she love, it's a
Speaker 3: really complicating thing. And I it's all these little things
Speaker 3: that because he's todd as an amazing director, but and
Speaker 3: also an amazing writer. Is he put all these little
Speaker 3: clues in that she went and she'd obviously spend a
Speaker 3: lot of time with the Shippibo Guinnebo people taking Ayahuascar, right,
Speaker 3: And if it had enough time, I would have done
Speaker 3: a little research and did that part of it. But
Speaker 3: you know, like she was really adventurous and so she
Speaker 3: she you know she did she was running away from
Speaker 3: something herself, right, and also coming out of COVID. I
Speaker 3: don't know what you guys did. You probably were able
Speaker 3: to continue the podcast, right, yes, but if you can
Speaker 3: do what you do, if you couldn't make music and
Speaker 3: you would lydi gitar for two years, what happens your
Speaker 3: creative turns destructive? Yes, So you know I thought about
Speaker 3: all that stuff.
Speaker 1: We're talking about.
Speaker 2: So many elements of a movie like this, you know, obviously,
Speaker 2: like huge respect for the director and it like real
Speaker 2: interest in the incredibly dynamic character and this story that
Speaker 2: you can read in so many different ways. I wonder,
Speaker 2: when you are embarking on something or you're sent to script,
Speaker 2: is there one of those elements, whether it's like the
Speaker 2: people you get to work with or the story itself.
Speaker 2: Or the specific character. Is there something that you feel
Speaker 2: is what pulls you each and every time or is
Speaker 2: it different. I would imagine it's a combination. But for you,
Speaker 2: if you could speak to me, you know it's.
Speaker 3: The couple of times early on, when I accepted to
Speaker 3: do a script based on the role, it's always been
Speaker 3: slightly disappointing because it's like a theater script is called
Speaker 3: a play because you have to play with it's it's
Speaker 3: not a work of literature. And so it's always now
Speaker 3: for me about the director. It's never the role. So
Speaker 3: because it doesn't matter. You could be acting your socks off.
Speaker 3: But if the camera's in the wrong position, or you know,
Speaker 3: you haven't all been cast in the right way, or
Speaker 3: you haven't been brought together by the director into an ensemble,
Speaker 3: the thing wasn't left off, and so it won't mean
Speaker 3: anything to an audience. And so, for example, with Black
Speaker 3: Bag working, I'd worked with Stephen and when we were
Speaker 3: my husband and I were running the Sydney Theater Company.
Speaker 3: He came in our first season and he wanted to
Speaker 3: do an all male production of All About If We
Speaker 3: Could Wow. So he got obsessed with Nancy Grace in
Speaker 3: Casey Anthony's story and he concocted this bizarre, fascinating theater piece.
Speaker 3: But when he called me and said he had a
Speaker 3: slot and David Kep had written this great ensemble piece,
Speaker 3: it was to work with him. And it was Fast
Speaker 3: Spender and Tom Burke, who's an amazing stage within the
Speaker 3: Seagull at the Barbican in London. And so it's it
Speaker 3: is the director and then I'm fascinated with who they
Speaker 3: want to cast them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you realized that more and more it is
Speaker 1: about the people. Yes, not necessarily about which it feels counterintuitive,
Speaker 1: but it's not necessarily about the content and the primary
Speaker 1: way like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not about the role, you know, because sometimes
Speaker 3: it's like, wow, you know that's a piece of action,
Speaker 3: or I haven't spoken to that audience before, you know
Speaker 3: that's a chamber piece, or you know in fact that
Speaker 3: that character is really still I've been moving around too much.
Speaker 3: So sometimes yeah, I don't know, but I don't want
Speaker 3: I don't know that I necessarily want to do it
Speaker 3: anymore anyway. I think I want to spend time with
Speaker 3: my my chickens and my gardens.
Speaker 1: Real barn, Yeah, you need a barn yeah, well occasional
Speaker 1: Burghund trip.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I will venture out to berg from the bond.
Speaker 1: Let's go. We're reading a book now in the research.
Speaker 1: It's called Lost and Sound, the Beginnings of Bergheim and
Speaker 1: the easy Jet set. So this writer, oh Redd, it
Speaker 1: is kind of putting out this theory that like with
Speaker 1: the introduction of easy Jet in Europe, with budget travel
Speaker 1: within Europe.
Speaker 3: Oh, that it eroded the integrity.
Speaker 1: Not the integrity, it just brought people to Berlin and
Speaker 1: it created a nightlife capital in Berlin after the wall
Speaker 1: went down, with technical coming out of Detroit. It's like
Speaker 1: it all kind of aligned in a way that like
Speaker 1: made it this magical still magical thing that must be
Speaker 1: preserved because it's a cultural site. Now it's considered a
Speaker 1: concert venue and not necessarily a club.
Speaker 3: But you know, they have to be really careful having
Speaker 3: Thomas Ostamyer, who runs a show Booner and Berlin, has
Speaker 3: directed this production of The Seagull. He's such an amazing
Speaker 3: person and an amazing director. But they are, you know,
Speaker 3: so many Australians are in Berlin because you get to
Speaker 3: you don't apologize for you know, being a musician or
Speaker 3: an actor or a painter or a writer or whatever
Speaker 3: where you kind of do in Australia. But he was saying,
Speaker 3: like cultural funding is really going down and they don't.
Speaker 3: It's such a it's a stupidity from an economic point
Speaker 3: of view, have let alone a cultural point of view.
Speaker 3: You know, you talk about culture on your podcast, but
Speaker 3: because because of the multiplier effect, it's the restaurants, it's
Speaker 3: the bars, it's the taxi drivers, it's cyclos, it's all
Speaker 3: of those other things that that actually suffer when you
Speaker 3: remove culture from a place apart from you know, that's why,
Speaker 3: as you say, that's why tourists go to Berlin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I feel like you have that in America too,
Speaker 1: of like that apology of like hey, yeah, I'm an actor.
Speaker 1: I'm It's like people think it's like cool to shy
Speaker 1: away from there. There's a certain sect of people I
Speaker 1: think that don't stand in like pride for being an artist.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it's a self consciousness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or you know, there's a sense that somehow, if
Speaker 3: you are in a creative profession, that there's an indulgence.
Speaker 3: It's elite and you go, no, it's like you remember
Speaker 3: of a circus family, ya, it's not.
Speaker 1: It's true.
Speaker 3: You do it for an audience. And that's where Soderberg's
Speaker 3: so great is he kept saying with black Bag, He's like,
Speaker 3: we're making a movie. Yeah, making a film. I want
Speaker 3: people to go to see this in the cinema and
Speaker 3: eat their podcast and have fun. And it's witty and stylish.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, and then and you know you
Speaker 3: don't have to Not every piece of cinema has to
Speaker 3: have the same function or reach the same audience, their
Speaker 3: multifarious audiences. But it's for an audiences.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it for myself, right, you know, just
Speaker 1: to speak because you mentioned that we talk about culture,
Speaker 1: We're going to ask you a question and it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a little bit of a you know,
Speaker 1: unifier on this podcast alongside this question, which is what
Speaker 1: was the culture that made you say culture was for you?
Speaker 1: Talking about like how you Kate Blanchett became Kate Blanchette,
Speaker 1: if you could think about.
Speaker 3: I'm constantly becoming that transition. I don't know, like I'm
Speaker 3: so eclectic, and you know, I read Eden Blinton books.
Speaker 3: I spend all the time on my bicycle thinking I
Speaker 3: was Nancy Drew or Trixie Belden, you're looking at me
Speaker 3: blankly because you're away. Trixie Belden was a girl detective. Yeah,
Speaker 3: as was Nancy Drew, of course. But I think there
Speaker 3: was a kind of an intersection for me of the
Speaker 3: Royal wedding Princess Diana and Charles, which was in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 3: At the moment, my grandmother was having a double bypass surgery,
Speaker 3: so death was meeting sort of life and pageantry. At
Speaker 3: the same time, the Moscow Olympics was on, and I
Speaker 3: was obsessed. I did calisthenics, you know, like I'm quite
Speaker 3: not very strong when I'm bent, Like I put my
Speaker 3: legs behind my heads. I have no skills, but I
Speaker 3: can do that. Yeah, I know. But that and I
Speaker 3: got really obsessed with I don't know what this is culture.
Speaker 3: I got very obsessed with ribbon dancing. Oh that's you know, culture,
Speaker 3: and then the dancing they do with the ball wow.
Speaker 3: So maybe it was that.
Speaker 1: So when we filed this under like you know, the
Speaker 1: bending of it all, like like rhythmic.
Speaker 3: Gymnastic, rhythmic gymnastics. Yeah, I think that that was my
Speaker 3: high culture expression. And then later on you saw Picasso
Speaker 3: painting with light, and so that reminded me of my
Speaker 3: ribbon dancing obsession, you know, so yeah, maybe it was
Speaker 3: ribbon I'm.
Speaker 2: Thinking of your performance in the Curious Case of Benjamin Button.
Speaker 2: Like I wasn't ribbon dancing, I know, but a dancer,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like you've never forgiven.
Speaker 3: Fincher he we were doing there was a dance sequence
Speaker 3: which I.
Speaker 1: Did for aged.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's in there. But he decided to
Speaker 3: shoot it at five o'clock in the morning having been
Speaker 3: called you know, because he shoots forever, having been called
Speaker 3: at like, you know, nine o'clock the previous morning.
Speaker 1: It's like you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so I don't know how much is me
Speaker 3: and how much is my body double? But I didn't
Speaker 3: get to ribbon dance in that.
Speaker 1: No, not ribbon dancing, but I just my age.
Speaker 3: I want to sell a lot of coal that I
Speaker 3: don't ask you to ribbon fifty that's actually going into Yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll get your ribbon dancing. But the ball, Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: the ball so beautiful.
Speaker 1: What does the ball represent? You know, the girls and
Speaker 1: the course of people.
Speaker 3: Who work with the ball and they move it around.
Speaker 3: It's incredible waters so magnificent.
Speaker 1: I don't even understand how you are. Do you do that?
Speaker 3: It's like magic. If you were to do magic trips
Speaker 3: like pull up the Ace of Spades out of a lemon,
Speaker 3: I mean I would literally pee my pants.
Speaker 2: What's crazy about that is the answers are so simple,
Speaker 2: but they're done with such what do you because, like
Speaker 2: the answer to how the card comes out of the
Speaker 2: lemon or whatever?
Speaker 1: The hell?
Speaker 2: I don't know, But what I'm saying is we don't know,
Speaker 2: and like for us it seems so crazy, but their
Speaker 2: answers to that are so simple, Like the sleight of
Speaker 2: hand is so second nature.
Speaker 3: I know, but I'm still where do you put a
Speaker 3: lemon up? I mean that's I mean, I don't all
Speaker 3: that eleven go out, don't touch.
Speaker 1: The lemon, touch the lemon? But would you agree that,
Speaker 1: like have you ever applied this to your own sort
Speaker 1: of craft where you're like, I don't want to tell
Speaker 1: you too much about how I do I.
Speaker 3: Never want I never want to talk about it because
Speaker 3: I don't know how I do it?
Speaker 1: Do you not?
Speaker 3: I don't have a process really, no, Like people say, oh,
Speaker 3: you know I do Maisner or at least Straisner or
Speaker 3: I do. I know uder Hagen is my whoever it is,
Speaker 3: I read it all. I'm I'm a bower bird. If
Speaker 3: someone has done something great, I will steal it and
Speaker 3: use it. Got it because you know it's always going
Speaker 3: to be reinterpreted through your lens. Yeah, so, yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know. Every night before I, you know, I start
Speaker 3: a new job, it's always the first day of school.
Speaker 3: I'm always terrified. And I say to my husband, who's
Speaker 3: so bored with me asking the same questions over and
Speaker 3: over and over, I said, what do I Do's my process? Really?
Speaker 1: Just show up?
Speaker 3: And so you have to go into a room and go,
Speaker 3: I do not know how to do this. You humble
Speaker 3: yourself to the task and the material and the other
Speaker 3: actors and the directors and the circumstances reveal what research
Speaker 3: you need to do, if you need to do any
Speaker 3: Sometimes you don't need to. Sometimes you just have to
Speaker 3: be present.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's so comforting as an actor to
Speaker 2: hear even you say that, because there's like a freedom
Speaker 2: that like, there's a freedom you can have to give
Speaker 2: yourself when you realize this thing I have about my
Speaker 2: anxieties about being quote unquote good enough, right, for it.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you how you are about
Speaker 2: moving on, because it sounds like every actor has a
Speaker 2: different relationship to that. But to hear you speak to
Speaker 2: not insecurity, but like any apprehension or you know, nerves
Speaker 2: about doing.
Speaker 3: Something, I think for even you to say that you
Speaker 3: know it's and it gets service, I think it gets worse, yeah,
Speaker 3: because then there's a sense that maybe people have preconceptions
Speaker 3: or expectations if you have some kind of a track record,
Speaker 3: and I think it's you have to risk. I'm sure
Speaker 3: you both feel this too. You have to and particularly
Speaker 3: with stand up, it's like you have to risk falling
Speaker 3: flat on your face. And so if you're not, if
Speaker 3: you're not on that knife edge, you're not going to
Speaker 3: keep growing, you know. And so it is confronting, but
Speaker 3: you have to get yourself in the zone where you
Speaker 3: go fucking yeah.
Speaker 1: But well, my thing with a lot of comedians, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to say excuse mail, but like a lot
Speaker 1: of male comedians seem to have this allergy to like
Speaker 1: anything that is theatrical about comedy, and they have to
Speaker 1: understand that stand up is just theater, the schema of
Speaker 1: it of like one person being on stage talking to
Speaker 1: a crowd of people. Yah, dot matter how big the
Speaker 1: crowd is or small it is, it's theater. So and
Speaker 1: they are like performing the fact that these thoughts are
Speaker 1: coming to them off the cuff when they've been refining
Speaker 1: this routine for a long time, over many experimental contacts
Speaker 1: that it's like, let's just embrace that this is all
Speaker 1: kind of artificial. And I don't know what my point is.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying like, there's yeah, and.
Speaker 3: There's a structure to it. It's like if you're telling
Speaker 3: a story and you forget the pivot point the story,
Speaker 3: it's it's not going to work. But I've always found
Speaker 3: it really such an education to go and watch stand
Speaker 3: up at the beginning when they're building the material, because
Speaker 3: in the end, I think the process is the most
Speaker 3: exciting thing, and sometimes when you get to the end point,
Speaker 3: the hard thing is to keep it fresh, you know.
Speaker 2: And of course then there's the thing of you know,
Speaker 2: I've now done I find this with a lot of
Speaker 2: stand ups. It's like you see people start to get
Speaker 2: insecure about having done things for several years. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, It's because then it's less
Speaker 2: even about how do I keep this fresh? And you're like,
Speaker 2: did I get too comfortable with? Am I too good
Speaker 2: at keeping it fresh? Am I not moving on and
Speaker 2: pushing myself to do something else?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, I got great advice from Hungarian director who
Speaker 3: directed us as a company and a production of Uncle Vanya.
Speaker 3: And we'd had previews and then we're all great and
Speaker 3: there's a really lovely company. And he came in and
Speaker 3: you know, we rehearsed through an interpreter, and so he
Speaker 3: said through his interpreter, he said, all of those amazing
Speaker 3: things that you did last night, they were wonderful tonight
Speaker 3: opening night, don't do any of them.
Speaker 1: Love it.
Speaker 3: And it was such great advice, and you go, okay,
Speaker 3: this is I think they it's because they come from
Speaker 3: a culture where things sit in rep right, And yeah,
Speaker 3: so he's interested in the long health of the show,
Speaker 3: not getting good reviews, you know, because often the good
Speaker 3: reviews are actually harder to deal with because certainly if
Speaker 3: you read them, you go, oh that's a good bit,
Speaker 3: and then it dies right, you know, so you can't
Speaker 3: you can't think about the good or bad bit.
Speaker 1: You just have to think it's all a process, right,
Speaker 1: or you just can't stay with it in any case
Speaker 1: because in comedy they say, like your act becomes your enemy.
Speaker 1: It's like what you're talking about, where like.
Speaker 3: When you say you're acting me and you stick.
Speaker 1: Or like what you've given. It's like I kind of
Speaker 1: feel that way now with I guess and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm playing another inanimate object. And sometimes and I just
Speaker 1: want to say, because sometimes in the bits at it,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's not all up to the cast member. Of course,
Speaker 1: you're being handed the material like Okay, I guess you
Speaker 1: need me to play you know this by balloon that
Speaker 1: got shot down? Okay, Like fine, you know it's and
Speaker 1: then it becomes this thing that you're trying to pull
Speaker 1: away anyway. This is not this is microcosmically compared to
Speaker 1: like anything that could.
Speaker 3: You know, because I mean this is the thing is
Speaker 3: you don't want to be thinking about yourself. You want
Speaker 3: to be thinking about the energy that it's going out
Speaker 3: in your audience. And I think when you start to
Speaker 3: feel uncomfortable about that or habitual about that, then you
Speaker 3: become self conscious and the thing's going to die anyway,
Speaker 3: which is.
Speaker 1: Why it's refreshing and also sort of speaks to your
Speaker 1: skill besides putting your lives behind your head, is that
Speaker 1: like you have this, you have this, you amalgamate all
Speaker 1: these things in your process to the point where you
Speaker 1: don't have one, which is perfect.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, look, I do like having a task
Speaker 3: that I feel is impossible to say. For something like tar,
Speaker 3: I thought, I don't know how to read a score.
Speaker 3: I learned piano as a girl. But I have to
Speaker 3: I have to break score a part and choose the
Speaker 3: bits that we're going to play, and I really have
Speaker 3: to learn how to do this. And so in a way,
Speaker 3: the part was so overwhelming. It's not it's not a
Speaker 3: film about conducting, as I said, but it gave me
Speaker 3: something to do to stave off the anxiety because I
Speaker 3: had so much to prepare.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lots of homework.
Speaker 3: It's just I think in the end, process is a
Speaker 3: way of staving off anxiety, which I can make you
Speaker 3: clam Yeah, this is.
Speaker 1: A little bit of a left turn. But have you
Speaker 1: seen on Broadway? No? I have. I tell you, I'm
Speaker 1: getting to know you a little bit now. I think
Speaker 1: that like you are going to absolutely I've heard it's love.
Speaker 3: I know who's seen it's loved it.
Speaker 1: In New York.
Speaker 2: I've now seen it with three different marrias. I've seen
Speaker 2: it with Colors School, I've seen Hannah solo, the understudy,
Speaker 2: and Betty who was fantastic, and.
Speaker 3: It's just different every time at the very time.
Speaker 2: And it's just it's just really interesting to see something
Speaker 2: start as that off Broadway moment and then no Cole
Speaker 2: was doing it, and to now see an actress like
Speaker 2: Betty doing it. It's just it's the interpretation is like
Speaker 2: it's ever evolving. I just think you have such an
Speaker 2: amazing sense of humor. You would absolutely love this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, not how long. It's such a well
Speaker 3: yeah right, I mean to see you.
Speaker 1: And we're so happy.
Speaker 3: It was worth that we canceled a show at London,
Speaker 3: but I'm so happy.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it might be time to do I don't
Speaker 2: think so, honey, Which is our sixty second segment where
Speaker 2: we take something in pop culture that really needs to
Speaker 2: get pummeled into the ground, you know, And I have
Speaker 2: something Okay, it's sort of been popping up for years now,
Speaker 2: and I would.
Speaker 3: Like it's disturbing you. I can I like rubbing it.
Speaker 1: For Yeah, that was my tell. It's your right sneaker.
Speaker 1: Let's go all right, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't
Speaker 1: think so many time starts now, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Honey, buddy, one of my buddies. I got a buddy
Speaker 2: who let me tell you something, buddy, like, maybe it's
Speaker 2: the cons the B and the D.
Speaker 1: I don't think creative and it's too fricative, and I
Speaker 1: was going to use the word maybe it's not evenative.
Speaker 3: Buddy, if you're not a buddy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, My thing is just like it feels like something
Speaker 2: and it's been used sexually a couple of times with.
Speaker 1: When my wife's suckers were really pumping off, and I
Speaker 1: don't like it there. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: It feels like when you use the word buddy, you're
Speaker 2: not saying friend. It feels like something more like backing
Speaker 2: off or like.
Speaker 3: It's an active aggression.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's an active aggression that use of the
Speaker 2: word buddy, or it's just not committing to what it is.
Speaker 2: It's my close friend, it's my you know, I think
Speaker 2: some people, especially the gay guys i've been having sex with,
Speaker 2: I'm your lover, okay, call me something else, not buddy.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like when someone calls you dude, that's
Speaker 1: very creative as well. We think D and D, dude
Speaker 1: and buddy. I'm just not feeling it. I think we
Speaker 1: should say like, I think we should just use our
Speaker 1: words with more intention because buddy, it's existing in a
Speaker 1: gray area. I don't think and that's one minute, you know,
Speaker 1: do you use buddy?
Speaker 3: I do say dude a bit. I'm trying to okay
Speaker 3: for you is for a straight white woman to say dude.
Speaker 2: I think dude is fine and I have less of
Speaker 2: a problem with it. It's not my fa I guess
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is when gay.
Speaker 3: Guys my same I'm going out with my buddy? Yeah
Speaker 3: what I am? What am I to you? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Where do I exist?
Speaker 2: Because buddy isn't like, it's existing in an area between
Speaker 2: acquaintance and I've.
Speaker 3: Never thought about it. I don't like this is an
Speaker 3: educational play, this.
Speaker 1: Is an educational podcast. Friend, I'm gonna put a theory
Speaker 1: out there. The English language is sort of limited in
Speaker 1: the kind of words we have for friend, buddy. I
Speaker 1: don't like when someone's like, five times out of ten,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say half the time. Half the time when
Speaker 1: someone says, hey friend, I go, huh, like I shudder
Speaker 1: a bit. Well, no, here's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's not it's hey anything, yeah, hey you, hey buddy,
Speaker 3: Hey friend, it's like hello, hello, exqueeze me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's rather act is back now as a result
Speaker 1: of you're saying it's the same kind of weird, we
Speaker 1: haven't found the right word yet that feels right on
Speaker 1: the tongue for what for friends, in the same way
Speaker 1: that we don't have the good words for marijuana, weed pot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I like, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: But what would you say? In what context? Are you
Speaker 3: calling someone a friend or a buddy or a mate
Speaker 3: or a pal?
Speaker 1: Think I got triggered. I like power, I like mate
Speaker 1: to mate is fun mate.
Speaker 3: It is just it's not in Australia. It's just so abused.
Speaker 1: Is it really? Really?
Speaker 3: Get But maybe the way you say it's probably not
Speaker 3: so bad.
Speaker 1: I got some mates in time. I mean it doesn't
Speaker 1: sound right.
Speaker 3: But you don't you think lover is such a kind
Speaker 3: of I don't like it's it's I feel like it's
Speaker 3: taking your shirt off in an inappropriate way. It's but sweetheart,
Speaker 3: my sweetheart, you know what I mean, and.
Speaker 1: My friends make fun of me. I say thank you,
Speaker 1: my love. I love that, restaurants I say my love.
Speaker 1: I call a lot of people my love.
Speaker 2: And our friend Jared is always like I want to
Speaker 2: tie when you say it, and I'm like, well, that's
Speaker 2: how I feel about buddy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you wouldn't go away to buddy, or if
Speaker 3: you did so.
Speaker 2: I was in the service industry for ten years. I've
Speaker 2: done hard yards. Getting called buddy it feels degrading. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe that's what I'm picking up on it.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's a post trauma. Yeah, you haven't recovered from
Speaker 3: your waiting time.
Speaker 1: I think we've we stumbled upon it.
Speaker 2: That it feels like a little bit of a put
Speaker 2: down or like yes, or it feels like that's maybe
Speaker 2: what I'm getting at with it.
Speaker 1: That it feels noncommittal, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: just it's there's something pased down about it. Yeah, it's pat.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's simply pat, simply okay, interesting, fascinating, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just needed needed to walk that through and
Speaker 2: I'm happy what we did here today. Okay, So this
Speaker 2: is Bow and Yang's I don't think sowenty, did you
Speaker 2: come from here today.
Speaker 1: I did. And this has been brewing for several years
Speaker 1: as well, for several years. We're really unearthing a lot. Wow, okay,
Speaker 1: this ended up herapy. Yeah, so this is Bowen Yang's
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Hakuna matata, Oh, no worries for
Speaker 1: the rest of your day's privilege. I'm worried. It's not
Speaker 1: even a privileged thing. It's a it's a detachment from
Speaker 1: the human condition, which is to experience, experience, stake, experience,
Speaker 1: some kind of investment in the future. And how can
Speaker 1: and how can you be invested in the future if
Speaker 1: you're not worried a little bit about losing the thing
Speaker 1: that you want, about about letting go of desire to
Speaker 1: Buddhists too aggressively Buddhist, which is not what Buddhism is,
Speaker 1: which is which is anathemat of Buddhism in the first place.
Speaker 1: You can't be an aggressive Buddhist to say no worries
Speaker 1: for the rest of your days, to be that absolute
Speaker 1: about not worrying something's off, You're numbing yourself too much
Speaker 1: to circumstance to what life throws out you. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be worried because guess what everyone in this room. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at a heat matt behind the camera. We're all worried.
Speaker 1: You have something to worry about. You have something to
Speaker 1: worry about, and that's one minute. But their worries also
Speaker 1: not for nothing. They were a ward hog and a groundhog,
Speaker 1: a mere cat, thank you. In Africa, you have worries.
Speaker 1: You've got worries. There are predators all around you. Be worried.
Speaker 1: Stay vigilant in these streets. And by these streets I
Speaker 1: do mean the prairie land, prairie. Yes, this red room,
Speaker 1: stay on very afraid.
Speaker 3: I think not.
Speaker 1: It's number fourteen Matata, I think not. I love that
Speaker 1: bo thank you. It's from the heart. Yeah, we were
Speaker 1: told that you you can't prepared as well.
Speaker 3: I meant to have one. I'm not going to be
Speaker 3: as eloquent as you are, that's okay, but I have something.
Speaker 3: I have a lot of things that really you know,
Speaker 3: what's the first bit I have to say say?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, I don't like I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey. Okay, we're going to put the time,
Speaker 1: but I think you should feel unbounded by this.
Speaker 3: Okay, lord, I don't think so honey. Timing. I don't
Speaker 3: think so honey. I don't my blood pressures just gone up.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're just for ceremony. Okay, this is Cape Blanchette'
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Her time starts now.
Speaker 3: I don't think so honey. Leaving the toilet seat up
Speaker 3: and I am not talking about the lid. I am
Speaker 3: talking about the thing that you sit off in a
Speaker 3: domestic setting. Men may think, or people with penises may
Speaker 3: think that their aim is good, but it is all
Speaker 3: over the seat and I have to put that thing
Speaker 3: down because in the end, everyone sits down more than
Speaker 3: they stand up. And when you are at you know,
Speaker 3: somebody else's house and you and it's not only the
Speaker 3: pea that goes onto the seat, it's little bits of
Speaker 3: hair and you think I want to touch that, You
Speaker 3: think I want to smell that, and so I have
Speaker 3: to put it down. And then I put the seat down,
Speaker 3: and then the whole thing comes up and it starts
Speaker 3: all over again. And if you are in a public bathroom,
Speaker 3: it's like I am going to invest in a shi
Speaker 3: wi because do you know what she oh my god.
Speaker 3: It's a cup with a little tube on it that
Speaker 3: women use for going for a bush wei when they're campaign.
Speaker 3: I don't want to have to spend money just because
Speaker 3: people who need to put the should be putting the
Speaker 3: seat down can't peeve straight right, And yeah, so it's
Speaker 3: my whole thing is the toilet seat thing. And I
Speaker 3: have I live in a household with three boys and
Speaker 3: my husband, and each of them say I always put
Speaker 3: it down, which is almost more a live lies.
Speaker 1: It's the plot. There's a trader in your mets.
Speaker 3: But this is you're going to defend yourself. I don't
Speaker 3: want to hear your defense because it is not true.
Speaker 1: I'm not defending myself. I'm actually but i'm self. I'm
Speaker 1: sort of self owning when I say it's always so jarring.
Speaker 1: This is the thing about living alone. I'm going, well,
Speaker 1: that's my hair to get mad at myself. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: do you do you find yourself getting mad at yourself
Speaker 1: if you.
Speaker 3: Go, well, I don't should Yeah, but you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't control that, can you? Oh? Yeah? Yeah? Years
Speaker 1: of work.
Speaker 3: I am tourist toy stories.
Speaker 1: I told you that before I came.
Speaker 3: I'm very controlling hair. Stay in there.
Speaker 2: I can't stand going to someone else's bathroom and when
Speaker 2: they're okay with hair being all over the toilet like
Speaker 2: I am, I am.
Speaker 1: I am essentially like a top level cleaner. Whenever I
Speaker 1: have anyone coming over, I make sure I put I
Speaker 1: put muscle into it. I know.
Speaker 3: But do you put the lid down all ways?
Speaker 1: Yeah? The lid?
Speaker 3: Yes, I want photographic evidence. That's what my husband said,
Speaker 3: and he said, come on, just leave me alone. It's
Speaker 3: it's six in the morning. I do put it down
Speaker 3: and I go to the toilet saying it's like, do
Speaker 3: I take up. We've been married twenty seven years and
Speaker 3: we are still married because I just had to let
Speaker 3: it go. But I tried to teach my boys, but
Speaker 3: I realized they're imprinted on my husband. So I failed
Speaker 3: as a parent. No, No, I have, I have. I
Speaker 3: have noice my sons in a way that I probably
Speaker 3: shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: We don't know which of the sons.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all of them.
Speaker 1: Well you've now specified, so there we go them. You
Speaker 1: can ask us for photographic evidence. You as a mother.
Speaker 1: This is your your success as a mother is that
Speaker 1: you're not asking photographic evidence of them. You never make it.
Speaker 1: It's true.
Speaker 3: I know I don't shame them, right, but they do
Speaker 3: get the passive aggressive every time I go to the bathroom.
Speaker 1: My thing is that I'll reveal this and I bet
Speaker 1: you'll agree the older I get. I'm sitting down to
Speaker 1: be more anyway, because I do have.
Speaker 3: Male friends who sit down out of deference to the
Speaker 3: friends of all sexual deslations and orientations. I'm going to
Speaker 3: sit down because I'm not going to miss if I say, exactly.
Speaker 2: The risk becomes exponentially less when you are when when
Speaker 2: quite frankly, your dick is already in the bowl.
Speaker 3: Exactly, And if you don't have a dick, you know
Speaker 3: your holes in the.
Speaker 1: Bowl, holes in the ball. Honestly, HiT's a win win.
Speaker 1: This is huge And with that, you can cut that out.
Speaker 3: Mother's gonna listen. I'm sorry, Mom.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Mom. No, And this is good for us, for
Speaker 1: Berghem because there's the pist goblin there and it's.
Speaker 3: Probably a hole in the room.
Speaker 1: You know, we're all we're all going to be sitting
Speaker 1: I'm sitting on the pists goblin.
Speaker 3: Okay, and not get photographic evidence of that. I'll get
Speaker 3: the descriptor absolutely, we'll fill you in have fun. Thank you,
Speaker 3: We're gonna have the best time, just like we did today.
Speaker 1: This was so amazing. It's so great to meet you,
Speaker 1: and you really are just one of the best, and
Speaker 1: this has just been one of the best.
Speaker 3: Well, would you like calling me your friend?
Speaker 1: Would you? Now?
Speaker 3: Hey, buddy, of the best?
Speaker 1: The best?
Speaker 3: You know you're meant to say to every guest you're
Speaker 3: the best, you are the great, feeling good about themselves.
Speaker 3: I'm seeing the next one comes in.
Speaker 1: You are the best. You are you too, You're the
Speaker 1: undisputed best. We named an award after you, forgot Award
Speaker 1: for Good Actor was named after and confused, I can understand.
Speaker 1: We said those We're like, are they gonna have any
Speaker 1: reference for this? And then the fact that you went
Speaker 1: out and did it, we were like, thank you for
Speaker 1: the commitment. Well we end up ups with the song.
Speaker 1: We sure do. I wish we only had were an orchestra,
Speaker 1: right and we can play and be conducted.
Speaker 5: Let's see, Well, you got my hoppeat run away like
Speaker 5: a drama is coming your way, be like boom room boom,
Speaker 5: boom boom.
Speaker 1: You get that hormony there and it didn't work. It's okay,
Speaker 1: we'll get it next time. Thanks Bye. Love. Culture Reachs
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Speaker 2: Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, Executive
Speaker 2: produced by Ana Hasby
Speaker 1: Produced by Beck Ramos, edited mixed by Doug Bammniqua Board
Speaker 1: and Our Music Is Why Henry Kmerski