1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the stacks. DJ Bucky 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: back together, semi together. I'm in Los Angeles, Bucky's in 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: l a ish Um, but yeah, you're in the valley 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: close enough. As we marched towards the super Bowl. It's great, 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: too great to see Buck. We've got a fun one today. 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about these super Bowl matchups, who has 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: the edge, and also gonna dig in a little bit 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: on some draft stuff and maybe the value or lack thereof, 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: of the NFL scouting combine. Coming off some interesting comments 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: from uh dem Morris Smith, the head of the players Union, 12 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: which I thought was fascinating and I think it's a 13 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: good conversation. We'll have that in just a little bit. 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: But first of all, I know we're gonna be together 15 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: for the super Bowl. We're gonna be doing a postgame show, 16 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: um that you'll be able to find on my uh 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: my new favorite thing which is fast, which I mean 18 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: it's really simple. You just find that you pop on 19 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 1: your TV. There's apps on there. It pops right up, 20 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: you know. Basically That's how I was explained to me 21 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: ten minutes ago. Anyways, that's what I'm going We'll be 22 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: together on that. So what are you bringing? Snack wise? 23 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: What are we what are we grubbing on? So it's 24 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 1: so funny that that that you said that, because that's 25 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: what I was going to ask you, because you know, 26 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: this is the first Super Bowl that I've had to 27 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: actually work on, and so I have like little things 28 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: that I like, you know, chicken wings and then you know, 29 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: my chips and guawk and having all that available in 30 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: front of the big TV on my soft recliner, like 31 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: this is gonna be a different hustle for me. So 32 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: I would expect the snacks and stuff to be at 33 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: the par So if we are having catering, you get 34 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: wonder So if you get one request, are you're going 35 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: with the wings? I'm going with the wings? And then 36 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: you know the big question after you decide on the wings, 37 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: are you a drums or a flat skuy? Because if 38 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: if if we're doing drums or flats, like which one, 39 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: which one are you bring? Because I'm all about the drums. 40 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: I'm a kind of working a little bit, not a 41 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: big work food guy. I'm not. I don't like peeling 42 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: each trimp it's too much work one too much and 43 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: then and then the other thing would be uh a 44 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: dipping sauces? Are you a ranch? Are you a blue cheese? 45 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: Are ranch? Is the only right answer? Okay? See so 46 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: so so we're good on that. So we put a 47 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: little request in, so that's yours. You're going, you're going 48 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: wings and we're going with ranch on the side. Is 49 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: that what we got? Okay, I might chuck you a 50 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: little bit with mine. So I am, uh the little 51 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: tiny little meat balls, right, so you get the little 52 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: with the stick stick. Yeah, the orders yes, order yes, 53 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 1: And it has like a barbecue okay, barbecue sauce on that. Okay, 54 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: So I think we'll do a great We'll clog our 55 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: arteries and we're all in the heck of a post protein. 56 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: We'll be eating that. Red will be over in the 57 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: corner doing the peloton. Just getting the show would be great. 58 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: All right, let's let's jump in here about this Super 59 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: Bowl matchup here as we get really really close, We've 60 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: got all the awards are gonna get announced tonight at 61 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: NFL Honors. We'll be on the lookout for that. It's 62 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: always a fun night. But obviously The big thing is 63 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: the game that is Sunday six thirty eastern on Fox 64 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: Chiefs Eagles. Let's start and let's go through the positions 65 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: and just kind of play of a who would you 66 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: rather have here? All right, buck, let's start at the 67 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: quarterback position. It seems like it's probably an obvious answer 68 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: between these two. Even though Jalen Hurts coming off a 69 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: phenomenal year. I think Patrick Mahomes is going to be 70 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: the m v P where you go out on that one. Oh, 71 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's gonna be Pat my Homes, gonna 72 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: be Pat my Homes. When you look at his first 73 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: five years as it started, had been at three Super Bowls. 74 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: He's gained one m v P. He might have another 75 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,399 Speaker 1: one after the night. Uh, he has a Super Bowl 76 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: m v P. The guy has shown the ability to 77 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: do it with a high level supporting cast when he 78 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: had Tyree Hill and others. And he's also done it 79 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: with like a mid tier set of pass catches, Travis 80 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: Kelsey and company, just Travis Kelsey of the group being 81 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: the notable starter and doesn't matter. And so any team 82 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: would love to have that kind of quarterback because you're 83 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: talking about building a round a team with a quarterback 84 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: who can elevate the play of everyone around him, where 85 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes is one of a few players at the 86 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: position that can do it. So yeah, he gets the 87 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: nodding net even Oh, I have to salute Jalen Hursts 88 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: in terms of how far he's come since we first 89 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: laid our eyes on at Alabama and then when he 90 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: finished at Oklahoma to go for me in a second 91 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: round pick two. Playing the level that he's played, I 92 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: mean salute to him. Yeah, he has played great. But 93 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: I would say that the best way to describe the 94 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: difference in these two at this point in time in 95 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: their career, if somehow the Eagles were to get up 96 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: by fourteen points seventeen points, the game's not over. With 97 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes on other side, I think if the Chiefs 98 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: get out up fourteen seventeen, I think the Eagles be 99 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: in real trouble. Yeah, I mean, look, we haven't seen 100 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: them play like that. I think the one thing about 101 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: the Eagles they have played within themselves. They've been able 102 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: to keep the game, uh kind of within the margin. 103 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: So Jalen Hurst can play the style of play that 104 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: really works for him and works for the team, But 105 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: you are right, that is the unknown when it comes 106 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: to Jalen Hursts. Does he have the ability to bring 107 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: you back from a significant deficit when the running game 108 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: is off the table and he has to can you 109 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: throw you back into the game. That's what everyone wants 110 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: to know from Jalen Hurst because that's the thing that 111 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: potentially could be keeping him out of like that that 112 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: v I P Club when he comes to quarterbacks, because 113 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: he's knocking on the doorstep based on how he's playing 114 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: and how he's gotten his team to play. But we 115 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: need to have that answer before we can kind of 116 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: give him an invitation to come in. So I think 117 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: we're both on that. We'll give k C two votes 118 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: there at the quarterback position. Let's go to the running game. Um, 119 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: this is a running game. When you add in Jalen 120 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: Hurts to the Philadelphia Eagles group, with what they do, 121 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: I would think I'm gonna lean heavily towards Philadelphia in 122 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: this regard, even though I like Isaiah Pacheco and some 123 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: things he's done here with this rushing attack here with 124 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: Casey of Late, I think their offensive line is really good. Uh, 125 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: in terms of running I think they're actually a better 126 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: run offensive line than they are pass offensive line. We'll 127 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: get to the offensive lines in a second, but just 128 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: running game wise Philly, I mean, that's an easy one, 129 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: isn't it. Well, I mean, without question, they're committed to it. 130 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: And it's not only that, like DJs, the combination of factors. 131 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: This Jalen hurts and to it because of design quarterback 132 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: run and the r p O s and the options 133 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: and all that they do. Uh, it's the collection of 134 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: backs that kind bring their own flavor when they're in 135 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: the game. But really it's the offensive line. This offensive 136 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: line is finally getting the credit they deserve because we've 137 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: talked about Philly having the best offensive line in football, 138 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: are being in that conversation the last few years. I 139 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: think there's a great appreciation for how they do it. 140 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: This team is big, fast and physical upfront. They I mean, 141 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, we've seen them bully the 142 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: bullies at the line of scrimmage, first the New York Giants, 143 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: who really have been able to win with their defensive 144 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: front Dexter Lawrence and those guys, and then the next 145 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: week dealing with the San Francisco fort Regardless of what 146 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: happened to Brockfordy. When you go back and you look 147 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: at the tape, the Eagles dominated the line of scrimmage, 148 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: and if they can do that to too top teams, 149 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: you would think that they would be able to have 150 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: some success dealing with the can see the Chiefs. Yeah, 151 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: And they can roll out six offensive linemen if they want. 152 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: They can roll out Goddard who's a really really good 153 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: inline blocking tight end. And they have a collection of 154 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: backs with Miles Sanders, Boston Scott and Kenneth Gainwell who 155 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: can hit you, so they can hit you for big plays. 156 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: So I think when you just look at the running 157 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: game and when we'll get to the offensive line, I 158 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: guess we should probably just do that right here. Um, 159 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: we'll get to the offensive line. When we're talking about 160 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: the running game and you're talking about Philly, to stay 161 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: on them, Buck. I like the fact that when you 162 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: look at their front, when you look at my Latta 163 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: and you look at Lane Johnson and you look at Kelsey, 164 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: those three guys specifically, those guys can beat you and 165 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: overwhelm you with power. They can displace you at the 166 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, and a lot of times when you 167 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: get guys that can do that, you sacrifice the athleticism 168 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: which shows up maybe getting to the second level or 169 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: maybe in past protection. Now with those guys, those guys, 170 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: I mean, Kelsey's is good at the second third level 171 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: as anybody I've ever seen. What he does out in 172 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: space is ridiculous. So you don't have to you don't 173 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: have to have one or the other. You get both 174 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: with this offensive line with the Philadelphia Eagles, you do. 175 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: You have so many different things that you're able to 176 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: do with the offensive line, and I mean it's it's 177 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: it's a credit to the job that they've done in 178 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: coaching and developing these guys. When we look at joined 179 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: in my Latta move, you look at Jason Kelsey, who's 180 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer move, you look at Lane Johnson, Uh, 181 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: the way that they move man, the flexibility that they 182 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: have in terms of being able to execute the gap schemes, uh, 183 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: the guard, the tackle pools, the way they move people, 184 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: they move bodies. They're so physical, and I think that's 185 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: the thing that sometimes gets lost because you get caught 186 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: up in the wizardry of what they're doing in the backfield. 187 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, they can hit you 188 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: right in the face and move you off the ball. 189 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: And they're not many teams that can move the furniture, 190 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: I meaning the offensive line can move defenders off the ball, 191 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: light the FIELDERFF Eagles. Yeah, you go back and let's 192 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: let's flip it over here and look at this Kansas 193 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: City offensive line, because this is a very good group. 194 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: And if you go back and look when these two 195 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: teams played UH last year, the Chiefs ran for two 196 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: hundred yards six point three or carry. They ran it 197 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: thirty two times. They ran it more than they threw 198 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: it UH in that matchup. And this is an offensive line. 199 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: And again you think of the Kansas City Chiefs, think 200 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: of high flying Pat Mahomes and you read chucking the 201 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: ball all over the place. I actually think they're better 202 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: equipped to run the football. Creed Humphi is really good 203 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: getting up to the second level. Orlando Brown is a 204 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: better run blocker than he is a pass protector. I'd 205 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: say the same thing with Wiley on the right side. UM. 206 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: And then obviously Tray Smith can really really mall people 207 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: in the run game. So it is a really good 208 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: run blocking offensive line. And then in past protection, you 209 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: know you've got a couple of things working for you. 210 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: You've got the ability to move the pocket with Pat Mahomes, 211 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: You've got my homes ability to escape pressure. And you've 212 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: got Andy Reid with the screen game in the quick game. 213 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 1: So they do things to maybe help them out a 214 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: little bit more. I don't think you have to help 215 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: Philly's offensive line as much in pass pro. I think 216 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: Andy Reid and he did it in this game by 217 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: running the football. They mixed in some screens and some 218 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: quick hitters, um, and then you move the homes around. 219 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: I think that that whole thing works for them really 220 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: really well. But I think just sheer talent, I would 221 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: go with the offensive line of the Philadelphia Eagles. Yeah, 222 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: talent certainly goes to the Philadelphia Eagles. However, the offensive 223 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: line is the one player where if you get five 224 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: to play as one, UH, the collective can matter more 225 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: than the individual UH players. And so when I think 226 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: about the Cancie the Chiefs and how they've been able 227 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: to do a rebuild on the flight upfront, UH, they've 228 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: been able to do it. Orlando Brown own, Joe Thuney 229 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: coming over, they get Creed Humphrey, they get Tray Smith. 230 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: They've been able to groove. I mean, it's a really 231 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: good group. And when they want to run the football, 232 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: like that's the thing. I just think Andy Re just 233 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 1: doesn't want to run it. Because in the Jacksonville game 234 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: in the divisional round, when Pat Mahomes goes out, Chay 235 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,359 Speaker 1: Heney comes in, the kN City Chiefs ran the football effectively, 236 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: So it's there for them. It's just one of the 237 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,719 Speaker 1: things that on the call sheet, it's not at the 238 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: top of the page. It's just kind of down there, like, oh, 239 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: we get to it. But when they do want to 240 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: get to it, they can run the football. And this 241 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: might be a week where they may want to run 242 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: the football a little more to control it, to slow 243 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: down the pass rush and make those guys defend more 244 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: than just Pat Mahomes dropping back and living from the grassy. 245 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: Note when we're looking at that match matchup right there, 246 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: when you just focus on that Chief's offensive line Eagles 247 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: defensive line, the Eagles have to earn their pass rush opportunities. 248 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: So if the Eagles can stop the run and stop 249 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: the screen game, which I think you're gonna see on 250 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: some early down to spit specifically early in this game, 251 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs come out and actually try and 252 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: establish the run. I don't think it's who Andy Reid is, 253 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: but I think when you're scripting your first fifteen, I 254 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: think he incorporates some of the screen game, a lot 255 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: of the run game. And then after you get out 256 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: of that fifteen, we'll see if he kind of goes 257 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: back into who he wants to be, which is to 258 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: throw the ball, you know around. But if they if 259 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: you look asking me what's the best way for the 260 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs to approach this game? Spread, spread this 261 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: group out and run the football. That that to me 262 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: is the best way for them in this game, which 263 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: sounds crazy when you have Patrick Mahomes back there, but 264 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,599 Speaker 1: that's how I feel. No, I'm I'm with you on that. 265 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: And the reason why I'm with you on that aspect 266 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: is a couple of things could play in KNC these 267 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: favor I think quickening to tempo a little bit, because 268 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: you want to neutralize the advantage that the Eagles have 269 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: when it comes to playing that deep. The line rotation. Uh, 270 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: let's keep this first unit on the field and make 271 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: them play more places, particularly if you get a rotation 272 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: and Dominican Sue and Fletcher Cox and those guys on 273 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: the field. We want to keep them on the field 274 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: by going up tempo, but we also want to make 275 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: them run sideline to sideline. So the quick screens to 276 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: the wide receivers, the regular slow screens to the bags, 277 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: the uh fake the slow screen, hit Travis Kelsey on 278 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: the check now screen to the y over the middle. 279 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 1: Make these guys run a little bit and see if 280 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: you can take advantage of a tire defense that is 281 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: not able to play the normal rotation where you guys 282 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: are kind of load managing their reps in they're playing time. 283 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the pass catchers, wide receivers, 284 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: tight ends. If you're looking for a team that has 285 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: the edge there with the pass catchers, where do you go. 286 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: You know, it's weird because we talked so much about 287 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: the Philip Eagles running game, but I would say individually 288 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: they own the advantage in the past catcher category. Yes, 289 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey is a gold jack and guy on the 290 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: Kanz the Chiefs, but you look at the rest of 291 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: the guys. I think the next three, four five receivers 292 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: would go to the philip Eagles. A. J. Brown, Devonte Smith, 293 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: Dallas got it all very good in their own right. 294 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: DeVante Smith and A J. Brown in particular, code number 295 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: one receiver in this passing game, guys that can get 296 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: it done in a variety of different ways. Devonte Smith 297 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 1: is more the big play playmaker, more of the very 298 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: vertical stretch guy, even though the average would suggest that 299 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: he's not taking the top off defense as much as 300 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: he probably could. And then A J. Brown does the 301 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: dirty work. Um physical pass catch who wins the balls, 302 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: but he also has some special ability with the ball 303 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: in his hands. And Dallas Gotta can control the middle 304 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: of the field. Very productive player, underrated, but when you 305 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: look at his average yards preak catch, it's right there 306 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: with Devonte Smith, and so he's making plays and people 307 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: aren't paying attention. He is the X factor to me, 308 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: and the X game that you really have to account for. Yeah, 309 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: if we're looking at it and you just looked at 310 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: it from a draft standpoint, and you you kind of 311 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: touched on it there, buck um. But if you're going 312 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: to take all these pass catchers and put him into 313 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: an open draft, Kelsey would be the first pick, and 314 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: then after Kelsey you'd have A J. Brown would go. 315 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: DeVante Smith would go, God, it would go and then 316 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: you know, probably juju at that point in time, but 317 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: it would be a juju Quiz Watkins and Quiz has 318 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: you know, big speed, so that's kind of exactly who 319 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: he is. But you probably go juju on that one. 320 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: But needless to say, Kelsey's the top. And then after 321 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: that you've got three eagles bing bing bing bing. They've 322 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: got a lot of ways to to beat you with 323 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: that group. Absolutely, and there's one of the advantages that 324 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: they um have created and they exploit. They exploit your 325 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: vulnerabilities when you load up to deal with the run. 326 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: They give one on one on the outside and then 327 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: go either way. And that's the big thing. At any moment, 328 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: DeVante Smith or a J. Brown can be the guy 329 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: that is the number one option in the passing end. 330 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: It can fluctuate series by series, they can fluctuate by game. 331 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: They have two legitimate guys that can hold down uh 332 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: the lead wide receiver position and gives them big advantage 333 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: when Jalen Hurst is able to go up to the 334 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: line of script, just see that he has one on 335 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: one on the outside. Man, it's just pick you poison. 336 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: So they have done a really good job of building 337 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: a very balanced offense from a personal nail standpoint, and 338 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: then the either they play, they still also balanced in 339 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: terms of they run the football. Everyone knows they want 340 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: to run the football, but they throw the ball a 341 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: lot more than I think some people would have expected 342 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: with Jamon Hursts a quarterback. Yeah. No, it's uh, that's 343 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: an interesting way when you look at the uh, the 344 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: way this group is constructed here with Philadelphia, they can 345 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: get you a lot of different ways. I would say, 346 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: you know, when you look at at Juju and MVS 347 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: and Juju had a good year. He had almost a 348 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: thousand yards, so I mean he had he had a 349 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: really solid year for them. I think one of those 350 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: two guys NBS did it last week or did it 351 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: in the in the conference championship game. One of those 352 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: two guys has to have a big game because I 353 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: can't imagine they're gonna let Kelsey get as as loose 354 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: as he's been in some of these playoff games. I 355 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: believe they've got to focus a lot of attention on him, 356 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: which is going to open up some opportunities for one 357 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: of these other guys. It has to be that in 358 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: my mind, DJ and the Super Bowl. It has to 359 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: be we are not going to allow Travis Kelsey to 360 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: beat us. We're going to do whatever we need to 361 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: do to take him out of the mix. Now, the 362 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: counterpoint did that is the Kancie dechieved to a lot 363 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: of creative stuff where he's sitting back in blocking Chipman. 364 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: Then he leaks out on a checkdown. Well, how do 365 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: you double team a check now? Round? You know? But 366 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: I know this this week we're double team in the 367 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: check somebody else has to make plays. It has to 368 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: be that we're going to erase number eighty seven. But 369 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: it's it's a lot of creativity that any read does 370 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: to do that. But to that point, if the Eagles 371 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: make a concerted effort to take him away with double 372 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: teams and practice and those things, somebody else has to win. Uh. 373 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: Two weeks ago on the championship round, it's all about mvs. 374 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: Marquez beld Scandling made them pay. He made the plays. 375 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: But in a bigger game, in a on a bigger stage, 376 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: can mvs or Juju Smith Schuster, can they make those 377 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: critical plays that forces the Eagles out of their double 378 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: team tag. Alright, So if we're if we're looking at it, 379 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: right now, and we look at the offense, and again, 380 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: quarterback is a great equalizer and that goes to the 381 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. But run game, offensive line, pass catchers 382 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: on the whole, just talent wise, we want with Philly. 383 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: So Philly's got three of the four on the offensive 384 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: side of the ball, just looking at just a pure 385 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: talent again. Now, this group is really really good in 386 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: Kansas City, and that's not a slight to them at all. 387 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: But just when we're stacking these upside by side, that's 388 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: where we are. We're gonna take a quick break when 389 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,239 Speaker 1: we come back. We're gonna look at the defenses for 390 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: these teams. Who has the edge? Will jump into that 391 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: right after this. Alright, Buck, let's jump over the other side. Here. 392 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: Looking at the offense, we went Philly three out of 393 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: the four categories. We flip over to the defense. Let's 394 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: start with the defensive line. Who has the edge? You know, 395 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: it's funny because in some instances you would talk about 396 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: the Kannas Cheese with Chris Jones and Frank Clark and 397 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: what they're able to do upfront, But man, the Philadephy 398 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: Eagles have a decided advantage. You just think about the 399 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: fact that this team has four guys, four pass rushers 400 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: with over ten sexy UM. They have a deep rotation 401 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: where they have vets, I mean vets all pro vets 402 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: who are just some Hall of famers, you know, and 403 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: Dominican Sue Flets your cox, uh, Robert Quins got Hunter League. 404 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you have legitimate firepower and youth and it's 405 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: just crazy what they're able to do and how they've 406 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: been able to corner market on all these experienced players 407 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: who are sharing the expertise with their young guys. It's 408 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: a very dominant offensive line, defensive line, and when you 409 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: think about how you really want to play defense in 410 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: this league, everyone would like to be able to rush 411 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: before and cover with seven. You know, it allows you 412 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: to fader and flexibility, play man or zone. You can 413 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: max that, you can load it up, take away the 414 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: threats while still being able to get consistent pressure. They're 415 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: one of the few teams that can do it. And 416 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: what they do, they're a lot of a lot of 417 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: trickery indeception of what they're doing up front. It is 418 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: a whoop tail defense. Basically, they whoop you up front. 419 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: They get to the quarterback and they change and disrupt 420 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: the rhythm and the time in the passing game. So 421 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: to me, the Eagles are the choice when it comes 422 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: to debating which of these defensive lines has the advantage. Yeah, 423 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: and I I feel like we need to give the 424 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs they're do on the other side because 425 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: when you look at Chris Jones is an elite, elite player. Um, 426 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: you look at Frank Clark, especially in the postseason, is outstanding. 427 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: Those are two big time dudes. And George Carloft this 428 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: is a rookie has come on over the last half 429 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: of the season and into the postseason. Really good player. 430 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: So again, I feel like a lot of these categories 431 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: we're putting in Philadelphia's corner, but they aren't. You know, 432 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: It's not like the Chiefs are a bunch of scrubs, 433 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: Like this is a team that was second in the 434 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: league in sacks and they're fifteen behind the Eagles, but 435 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: they can rush the passer and they have to me, 436 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: you know, a player that can take over a game, 437 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: maybe more so than anybody even on the Eagles, just 438 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: because we've seen Chris Jones just take over football games 439 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: on big stages. So the question for me then is 440 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: if you look at the matchups with these defensive lines 441 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: and if we say, okay, the Eagles have more overall talent, 442 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: more overall depth. Well, the way that Kansas City could 443 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: come back that is if they can get one of 444 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: these two guys and Chris Jones and Frank clark on 445 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: what we would call our tomato can, right like, who 446 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: is that weak link on the other offensive line? And 447 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: I don't think that there's a tomato can on the 448 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: Eagles offensive line. But I would say the one that 449 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: I would keep an eye on the one matchup Landon Dickerson, 450 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: just in terms of he's a big, hulking guard. When 451 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: he gets moving in one direction and has to redirect, 452 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: that's his that's his kryptonite, that's his issue. So I 453 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: would look for Chris Jones in this game. If if 454 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: he's gonna take over game and have a dominant game, 455 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna be against Landon Dickerson, and he's gonna be 456 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: crossing his face and trying to fan those guys out, 457 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: and he's gonna try and attack him. But it's hard 458 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: to do that when you've got to worry about run 459 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: game and quarterback run game and all the other things 460 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: that Eagles throw at you. I mean, that's the thing. 461 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: But you're right, and one thing Spags would do. He 462 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: doesn't mind using blitz pressure to create one on one matchups. 463 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: And so how they utilize that. The other thing that 464 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: we saw going back to the Bengals game in the 465 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: Championship Brown when they needed to play, they moved Chris 466 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: Jones right over top of the fish. We saw that 467 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: They're like, oh no, no no, go outside. You get the 468 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: pass first, and he made a pass first. There was 469 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: really a difference maker in the game. And so when 470 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: you talk about Lennon Dickinson maybe being the target, yeah, 471 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: Steves Pegnew is gonna make sure that he gets his 472 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: guy a handful of those one on ones to see 473 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: if he can create a big play. Because for the 474 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: Kansi the Chiefs, the way they played defense, they're looking 475 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: for splash plays. They're looking for something that throws you 476 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: behind the chains so now they can come off after 477 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: you on second or third down and get you off 478 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: the field. They are not what we call a shutdown, 479 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: lockdown defense where they're gonna suffocate you from beginning to end. 480 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: They're crying trying to create splash plays to give them 481 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,959 Speaker 1: a chance to really get after it and give their 482 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: quarterback extra possessions, extra opportunities. Well, we talked about these defenses. 483 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: We're talking a lot. We're talking a lot about them 484 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: as uh, you know, as pass defenses. Right, we're looking 485 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: at this defensive line. I think one of the things 486 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: about Kansas City, you know, be interesting to see. We've 487 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: seen at times Eagles, and we saw in their meeting 488 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: last year when they played each other, the Eagles can 489 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: get gutted every down and then against the run. So 490 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: that might be an area where we're looking to say, okay, 491 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: where where would you give the edge? You look at 492 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: some of the way that that uh you have uh, 493 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: Colin Sanders, you've got naughty um. They've got guys in 494 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: there that and playoff blocks. Mike Dana had a really 495 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: good game in the in the championship games. So they've 496 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: got maybe not the biggest names is their supporting cast. 497 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: When you're talking about comparing that to the the sus 498 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: Lim Vall, Joseph's, the Quins that you know, the kind 499 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: of the rotational veterans that we've heard of with the 500 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: philadelph Egos. They've got a good collection of guys there 501 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: and that gainst the run to they can stack blocks 502 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: and and they can hold up against the run. You know, 503 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: that's one area that we don't talk enough about with 504 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: the Eagles because, um, we talked about how they have 505 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame guys in the rotation, but those guys, 506 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: some of them came over because they were having issues 507 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: against the run. Yes, they have some injuries, but they 508 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: were having a tough time stop in the run. So 509 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: then you go in and get h I think you 510 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: got Limbaal Joseph and and Dominican su at the same 511 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: time to make sure that you shure they're brought up. 512 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: That is something to watch. Maybe the kN C D 513 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: Chiefs flipped the script. Maybe they do run the ball 514 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: a little more because teams have had success running at 515 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: the Eagles, and despite their UH pass rushing prowess, they 516 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: are a little lighter on the edges when you have 517 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick on the field who wants to come after 518 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: the past, but he's not necessarily the status when it 519 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: comes to defending edges. Yeah. The other one I was 520 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: gonna say is if you want to keep an eye 521 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: on a sneaky UH m VP of the Super Bowl 522 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you the sneaky one here, and that's 523 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: for the Philadelphia Eagles, and that's Javon Hargrave. There's gonna 524 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: be so much attention on the outside with the san 525 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: reddick and sweat, I think on the inside and everybody's 526 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: gonna know. You know, Fletcher Cox might be a future 527 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, Sues a future Hall of Famer. Those 528 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: guys are in those conversations. Javon Hargrave is an animal 529 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: inside as an interior rusher. That's the one I would 530 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: not sleep on, especially if Mahomes is not, you know, totally. 531 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: And I think when you looked at Mahomes run last 532 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: week for the big play to win the game and 533 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 1: gets hit out of bounds by Joseph Ossaia, I think 534 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: people say, okay, well, his his ankle is good enough. 535 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: He was able to get out there. But there's a 536 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: difference between escaping, build build, build, Okay, now I'm moving, 537 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: Now I'm moving, I'm running. I'm getting faster as we 538 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: go along. I don't know if we're gonna see the 539 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: suddenness with Mahomes to be able to just like he 540 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: is so good at gett an initial pressure that suddenness 541 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,479 Speaker 1: to just be able to pop and get away from it. 542 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: If he doesn't have that pop or that juice to 543 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: be sudden, Javon Hargrave can game. Yeah, and that has 544 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: been you know, like one of the remedies that the 545 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: Keensie the Chiefs have relied on when people have played 546 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: max coverage against him is pat Mahomes will lose utilize 547 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: his legs, his athleticism, scrambling ability. Teams have played two 548 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 1: man teams to drop back and played umbrella coverage and 549 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: basically taken away the deep stuff. He has been able 550 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: to kind of scramble out and pick up five seven, 551 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 1: ten yards, extend drives, get first downs with his athleticism. 552 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: When he is limited and he doesn't have that ability 553 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: well the field, if Eagles have enough speed to track 554 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: him down before he can be a dangerous threat. So 555 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: early in the game, being able to look at does 556 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: he have his mobility? How close is he to that matters. 557 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: Then the other thing will be monitoring his progress over 558 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: the course of the game as people begin to get 559 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: around his legs, as they begin to tackle him potentially 560 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: and fall on that ankle, does his mobility change? Is 561 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: he more limited? Uh? In the third and fourth quarter 562 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: than he was in the first quarter, because then that 563 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: also changed the way the Eagles can tack and play 564 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: coverage in the back. Yet I wanted to, uh, you know, 565 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: you're just talking. I don't know why this jog my memory, 566 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: but I was thinking of, Um, you saw the thirty 567 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: for thirty on the Ravens. Did you say that we 568 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: have to do a full episode on that? By the way, 569 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: I have bill it come on the Bullis. It was 570 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: a phenomen I biased because I came into the organization 571 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: a little after that, but I thought it was interesting 572 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: when you look at the journey that that team went on. Um, 573 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: that was in the playoffs, right, So they play the 574 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans, a team that was a divisional rival, right 575 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: and kind of a really physical team, and that's that 576 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: would be like this Eagles team knocking out the Giants 577 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: in the first round. Very similar. You then play a 578 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: really explosive offensive team in the Oakland Raiders. What do 579 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: they do? They knock reach Gannon out of the game early. 580 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: What do the Eagles do? They knock out two quarterbacks early. 581 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: Then then you go into the Super Bowl. They play 582 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: a Giants team. If you remember had just scored a 583 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: zillion points against the Minnesota Vikings, and now you have 584 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: this Eagles team going up against you know, the Kansas 585 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: City Chiefs and their dynamic offense. I thought there's some 586 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: interesting parallels between the Ravens, that bully group of the Ravens, 587 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: and this Philadelphia Eagles team. Well, they become, um the 588 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: bullies on the block. You know. It's funny. I don't 589 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: know if we necessarily view the Eagles as one of 590 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: those rough and tumble teams where if you close you 591 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: eyes and you say the Philadelphia Eagles, some of the 592 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: images of like the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Baltimore Ravens, that 593 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: physicality and toughness that you know you're gonna have to 594 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: deal with come to mind. But when you watch them, 595 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: to me, it was really telling. In the two games 596 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: they played in the playoffs that you alluded to, the 597 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: New York Johnstay absolutely whooked him at the point of attack. 598 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: I mean, they beat them up, They took the fight 599 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: to them, and they were unafraid of all the stuff 600 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: that the Jazz had done to really bully opponents. And 601 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: then what they did to the San Francisco. Yes, they're 602 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: not that Brock pretty early and Josh Johnson wasn't prepared 603 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: necessarily to play um at a high level in the 604 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: championship game. But when you watch the way that game 605 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: took play, the physicality at the point of attack, to me, 606 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: they out hit the forts and that's the part that 607 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: makes you a little fearful, a little scary, makes it 608 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: a little scary for opponents facing them because they have 609 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: that in them. Nick's Arianni has somehow brought that out. 610 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,479 Speaker 1: I don't know if we ever thought that the Philip 611 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: Eagans would be like that under him. Yeah. Also the 612 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 1: other similarities those two teams shot offensive head coach with 613 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: a you know, a background really throwing the football, but 614 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: they were a great running team the Ravens. Same thing 615 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: Brian Billick had been on those prolific offenses in Minnesota 616 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: comes over now with's Jamal Lewis and they're mashing people 617 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: in the run games. So there's a lot of similarities 618 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: between those two teams. I wouldn't have thought that before 619 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: watching that documentary Linebackers. I think we actually go Kansas 620 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: City on this one. Buck Yes, yes, yes, yes, with 621 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: a gay Nick Bolton fast furious. Uh. They make plays, 622 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: they are they are really problematic. Uh in the run 623 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: game man passing, they cover a lot of ground is sideline, 624 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: the sideline pursuers and you know, and and talking to 625 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: the coaches for Jacksonville, the first time they played him, 626 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: you know, they didn't know how fast they were, and 627 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: it made a huge difference in the game. The second 628 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: time around, they were well aware. But Nick Bolton and 629 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: when he certainly caught their I caught their attention in 630 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: the second game. And then when you turn on the tape, 631 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: man you see these guys understated, but they make a 632 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: lot of players. And it's funny Nick Bolton doing that 633 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: draft process. Instincts, awareness, production that all stood out. The 634 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: thing that kept them from being kind of like the 635 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: highly talited prospect was the size you just wanted, like 636 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: size wise, is it going to like work? There? They 637 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: were little questions about that party when but when you 638 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: watched them, he played the game the way that you 639 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: want your linebackers to play. And so he's certainly been 640 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: a very valuable asset to the Chiefs on defense. I'm 641 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: actually trying to find my my Nick Bolton uh nuggets 642 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: and report here, because yeah, you were he was really 643 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: he was my Yeah, he was my He was my 644 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: thirty fourth player. He was five eleven uh in an 645 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: eight two thirty seven pounds, he ran four or five nine. 646 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: Um explodes through contact range. He's got stopping power, he 647 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: can take on He's a dynamic blitzer. Ironically, my knock 648 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: on him what I thought he got lost in coverage 649 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: at times. Now he turned out to be an outstanding 650 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: coverage linebacker who just does nothing but make plays on 651 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: the football and coverage. So uh man, that's it's ended 652 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: up being a really good pick again though, And we'll 653 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: get into this as we get close to the draft. Linebackers, 654 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta be able to run off the ball, guys, 655 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: you cannot play with a slug out there. You've gotta 656 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: be able to run. This dude can really go. He 657 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: can really go. And the other thing that we'll we'll 658 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: talk about because from a philosophical standpoint, maybe for both teams, 659 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: uh not valuing off the ball linebackers his first round 660 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: talents but then taking those guys in the second and 661 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: third round and having success just kind of understanding value 662 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: as it relates to the position. Um not necessarily considered 663 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: a premium or mark ear position like we talked about 664 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: in the drafts spear, but guys are really good player 665 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: And you know, the one thing that I do remember 666 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: and what I've learned from watching him and the instincts 667 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: and awharen and it's like guys who are around the 668 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: ball and you can see their impact on tape, they 669 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: find a way to do it. Like the production that 670 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: he had on the stat sheet and in the media 671 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: guide you saw that when you're trying to take he 672 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: was in on a lot of talk, he made a 673 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: lot of plays. And it's not as surprised that when 674 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: he got to Kansas City he did the same thing. Um, 675 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: we'll go over to the Philadelphia Eagles side of things here. 676 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna give k C the edge. Um, but I 677 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: will say that t J. Edwards has been a really 678 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: really good player for them. For the Philadelphia Eagles, he's 679 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: somebody again you just talk about instincts, he's got that 680 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: big time um, just always around the football and it's 681 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: been a nice it's been a nice playmaker there for 682 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: the for the Philadelphia Eagles. And again not some way 683 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: they had to expand a big time pick on where 684 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: they were able to land him. No, I mean just 685 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: really good player. And for the Eagles, you know, their 686 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: friend line makes like easy for the second level defenders 687 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: run Chase Grape, You're really playing unobstructed when it comes 688 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: to your path to the football because there's so much 689 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: attention on the people up front and when you put 690 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: those guys behind the big bodies that they have on 691 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: the interior. I mean, we've talked about in Dominican suing 692 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: them vo Joseph. We can talk about Jordan Davis and 693 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: the size and stuff that he commands a double team 694 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: at the point of attack. What that means life easy. 695 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: If you're just running around flowing to the ball fast 696 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: and freely, that's exactly what you want. And so the 697 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: Eagles have really done a good job of constructing the defense, 698 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: uh the way that that to match the way that 699 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: they draft their personnel. You know, they have all the 700 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: investment in the defensive line. They don't invest as much 701 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: in the linebacker corps. But those guys make plays and 702 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: so they're very capable players. Maybe not the marquee players 703 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: at some teams house at those positions though. And I 704 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: know T. J. Edwards, you know, the Wisconsin guy and 705 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: has worked out with the Brothers that believe in the 706 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: off season. Man, he you watch him, he plays fast. 707 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: Buck he ran four eight seven. I crushed him coming 708 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: four eight seven. He does not look for eight seven 709 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: on the field. And I'd be curious with the GPS. 710 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: You know that was two thousand nineteen, hadn't really got 711 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,719 Speaker 1: that information at that point in time. I wonder if 712 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: there was a big discrepancy or if he was hurt 713 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: when he ran, because that doesn't add up. No, no, 714 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't end up. But then you know the other thing, 715 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: DJ and I don't think what the Philidelfy Eagles do 716 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: is very complex. It's not very complicated. Um. And there's 717 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: something too when you utilize simple schemes that allow guys 718 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: to play fast. And so maybe his ability to play 719 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: fast in game is due to the simplicity that the 720 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: Eagles utilized when it comes to what their scheme is. 721 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: Don't ask him to do a lot a man, see it, 722 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: get it, go make play. And sometimes because of that, man, 723 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: you play a step or two faster than the competition 724 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: because you know exactly what you're doing, and you do 725 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: with a lot of confidence, no doubt. Um. All right, 726 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: so we're gonna go k see to the linebackers secondary here, 727 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: last one there, and we're looking offense, defense, secondary, where 728 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: you land him. You know, it's funny because the Cancie 729 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: the Chiefs are playing so many rookies and young guys, 730 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: very talents. It So I'm gonna go with the Philadelphia 731 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: Eagles because of the experience Darius Slay, James Bradbury, Uh, 732 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: Johnson Gardner Johnson, Uh, that experience group in the back end. Uh. Look, 733 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: are they still in their prime? I would say not 734 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: all the way, but man, they're experienced from being around 735 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: the league and in the league for a long time. 736 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: They play faster and when you do some of the 737 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: breakdowns of the XO, Man, you just see these guys 738 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: jump routes, jump plays. They're playing a soft, little umbrella zone, 739 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: but they know what's happening. And Slay and Bradberry and 740 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: Johnson they put their foot in the ground and they 741 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: go make plays. And the other thing that is underrated. 742 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: We always talk about the importance of turnovers and looking 743 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,719 Speaker 1: for corners with ball skills. The thing that is underrated 744 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: can they catch? Because it's one thing to get your 745 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: hands on the ball for breakups and that stuff. It's 746 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: another thing when they catch it and they turn it over. 747 00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Eagles guys, they catch it Slay Gardner, Johnson 748 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: Brady when the ball is floating, uh in their areas, 749 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: they make plays on they turn it over, and that's 750 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: a huge difference. There's one of the reasons why they 751 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: win to any games because they're there, their plus margin 752 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,879 Speaker 1: and the turnover battle. All right, I'm gonna just whip 753 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: through this last part here. If we just okay, we've 754 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: got the offensive defense done. So if we just look 755 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: offense defense, Kansas City we have winning two of the categories. Okay, 756 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: Philadelphia we have winning one, two, three, four, uh five, 757 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: five of the categories. So five to two just looking offense, 758 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: uh defense. Here's the interesting thing special teams. I think 759 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: we would go Kansas City when you look at at 760 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: Buker and what they have in the punny game. Then 761 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: when you look at coaches, obviously with Andy Reid with 762 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: his experience, you would go Kansas City. So now you 763 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: add special teams and you had coaching now a sudden 764 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 1: five four and then you say, okay, well, I I'd 765 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: rather be the five than the four. But what if 766 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: I told you that the team that has the four 767 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: has the quarterback in the coach, Like that's that you 768 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: made it. We've been working together for too long. Because 769 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: what I was gonna say is, like whatever it is, 770 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: the two most important categories, they go in favor of 771 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs, the quarterback in the head coach. 772 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: And as much as I love defense, in this league, 773 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: the game is dictated by the coach and the quarterback. 774 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: And the better you are at those two spots, the 775 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: more likely your team is gonna win a ton of games. 776 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: And so even though I will sit here and say 777 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 1: on record, he man, the Egos are the more talented 778 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: team in the super Bowl. They have all the advantages 779 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: in all the areas. Physically, that's what you win. But 780 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: in a one game scenario, quarterback coach, I have to 781 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: lean towards the Kanna City Chiefs. And that's just what 782 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: I mean. They've been there. You talking about the experience, 783 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: the big stage, what they've gone through collectively, and to 784 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: read and Pat mahomes to me that little thing in 785 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: a tight game, in particular, the head coach and the 786 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: quarterback gives the advantage to the Kanna City Chiefs. So 787 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: if we're looking at all that, then we can kind 788 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: of oh, with our our prediction at this point in time, 789 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: and then we'll take a break to come back and 790 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: talk about this this draft topic want to hit on here, 791 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: But so am I reading you correctly? Then Buck to 792 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: actually win the game, You're gonna lean Kansas City on 793 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: this one. Yeah, I'm on Lea in Kansas City. And 794 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,399 Speaker 1: like we're talking about score mine, I'm thinking high scoring game. 795 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 1: I'm thinking thirty seven. Uh. There's something about Pat Mahomes 796 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,919 Speaker 1: and Andy Reid just kind of understanding how to get 797 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: it done. They probably feel like they let one slip 798 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: the last time they were on the stage, and remember 799 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: that came at the end of the year when they 800 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: were talking about dynasty and that stuff. I think they 801 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: now have a greater appreciation for those big moments. Pat 802 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: Mahomes in particularly because you remember it was it was 803 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: quick and easy for him, Super Bowl Bang, and so 804 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: now he understands the grund and how hard it is 805 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: to get back here. Uh, there's something about that that 806 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: in a one game uh situation, I just think he 807 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: can put the team on his back, even though he's 808 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: shorthanded when it comes to his team compared to the Eagles. Yeah, 809 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm gonna go the other way. I'm gonna 810 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: go fill Atelphia. I think I went to seven, But 811 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: this was the thought that I had in my head. 812 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: And I don't know why. I think m j D 813 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: might have been brought talking about the other day when 814 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: we were chatting in the green room. But you look 815 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: at times when we've had kind of these historical offenses 816 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: versus these really talented defenses, and you think of you 817 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: look at think about the Pete Carroll Seahawks versus the 818 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning Broncos. The Seahawks beat the stuffing out of them. 819 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: Think about the think about the rich gannon high flying 820 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: Raider offense against the Tampa Bay Bucks, and the Bucks 821 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: whooped them. So I don't think we're gonna see that 822 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: type of a dominant game. But I do think there 823 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: is a little precedent when you get kind of the 824 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: offense defense in these settings that the defense usually wins 825 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: more than the offense does. So I'm gonna lean Philly 826 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: in a in a barn Burner seven, but I think 827 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna get a great game. It's a great game. 828 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: And you know the thing that you love is to 829 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,919 Speaker 1: number one. See see two of the best teams. Two 830 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: maybe two best teams. Oh you get to see a 831 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: chance to see them kind of do get down to 832 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: the super Bowl. That's what super Bowls are supposed to be, 833 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 1: supposed to be, one of where you showcase the great 834 00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: teams with the great players. And there are a ton 835 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: of great players in this game. All right, we're gonna 836 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: take a quick breaight comeback headed draft topic, and then 837 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: then we'll wrap this show up. All right, Buck, we're 838 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: gonna bring in the star of the show here. No 839 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: Bile is going to help us out with this last 840 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: segment because it was interesting from press conference at the 841 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, Uh, from D Murray Smith, the head of 842 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: the NFL p A who ironically went to Cedarville College, 843 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 1: which is where both of my parents went, where my 844 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: grandfather was the chancellor for like forty years. So my 845 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: dad in his office actually has a nice signed picture 846 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: from D Murray Smith of him. It's like him and 847 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: Jean Upshaw kind of like hand passing the mantel on 848 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 1: from from Upshaw. So yeah, so there's like a family 849 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: can oddly enough as a family connection, uh with the Maurice. 850 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: But I thought he had some interesting comments. But I 851 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: don't necessarily agree with them, but I want to get 852 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: in a bill to to read those for us buck 853 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: and then we can break it down. Go ahead and 854 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: a bill, So Smith said, as soon as you show up, 855 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: you have to first of all, let's talk about what 856 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: it is. It's the combine, talking about whether or not 857 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: we should have the combine, whether the combine is relevant 858 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: here in Go ahead, and so Smith's basically calling for 859 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: the end of the entful Scotty. But Nebile, I need 860 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: a little more. I need a little more little yeah, 861 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 1: come on, come on, man, let's let's go. All right, 862 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: so Smith said, as soon as you show up, you 863 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: have to waive all your medical rights, and you not 864 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,439 Speaker 1: only have to sit there and endure embarrassing questions. And 865 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: I think that's horrible and I don't want to poop 866 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: poo on any of that. But would you want your 867 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: son to spend hours inside of an MRI machine and 868 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: then be evaluated by thirty two separate team doctors who 869 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,240 Speaker 1: are only doing it for one reason? What's the reason 870 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: to decrease your draft value? And that Smith also said, 871 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: we've been tracking all of these players since they were 872 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: in what grade school? If I asked you right now 873 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: to pull up a high school video of the top 874 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: draft picks. How long would it take you to do it? All? Right? Buck? 875 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,879 Speaker 1: So there's a there's a lot to chew on there. 876 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,439 Speaker 1: I would let me just start with the first first point, 877 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: and let's get this one out of the way. You 878 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: cannot compare athletics and investing multimillion dollars into someone's body 879 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 1: that needs to perform in order for them to be 880 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: able to show value and earn the money that you 881 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 1: are getting to pay them. It doesn't I don't if 882 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm hiring a c p A. I don't need to 883 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: put them in an MRI machine because if their shoulders barking, 884 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: or if they can't run, they can still type on 885 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: a computer and they can still do my taxes. This 886 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 1: is a physical profession where your success determined is determined 887 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: by whether or not these guys can stay on the 888 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: field and stay healthy. You have to get that information. 889 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: That to me is uh, it's apples and oranges. To 890 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: compare that to anything else. Yeah know, it's crazy for 891 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: him to bring that up. And I'll say this as 892 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: a former player. Now you have no day information. I 893 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,359 Speaker 1: don't know exactly what I'm getting. You know, now, that 894 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily predict how someone is going to perform in 895 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,359 Speaker 1: the past. But part of what we do in our 896 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: business and our industry is we're trying to mitigate the risk. 897 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: We're trying to eliminate a lot of the stuff that 898 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,800 Speaker 1: could factor in down the line. And so if someone 899 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:58,320 Speaker 1: has a significant injury history, if someone has uh these 900 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: things that would lead our doctors, is the thing that 901 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: he could be a severe risk. Yes, it affects your value. 902 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: It affects where we take you because you look, there's 903 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: a lot of money being passed out. It's not charity, 904 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 1: you know, We're not just giving away money like there's 905 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: something who comes with Hey, the compensation should match the production. 906 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: And so what you're trying to do is you're trying 907 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: to make sure that if I'm going to take this 908 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 1: player in the first round, he should be able to 909 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: give me this kind of performance and production. If not, 910 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: then there's some other things that we have to discuss. 911 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: So no, I can't agree with what the union is 912 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: saying when it comes to the elimination of the combine 913 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: because as much as they want to talk about the 914 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: parts that everyone is poked it like why are they 915 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: asking these questions or doing this? And that. Here's what 916 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 1: I do know. At every job that most people get, 917 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 1: the overwhelming majority of people get, there's some kind of 918 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: interview that you have to deal with. There's some kind 919 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: of interview with some kind of forms that you have 920 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: to feel out. There's just a vetting process before someone 921 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: invites you to work at their business. And so it's 922 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 1: no different from the National Football League. You have to 923 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: go through these things to understand like, hey, whether we 924 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 1: want you to be a fit or not. Yeah, And 925 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,359 Speaker 1: I would add that there's different protections in there as well. 926 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: So let's take the let's take the decreasing your value thing, right, 927 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,240 Speaker 1: So let's take Rob Gronkowski as a as an example. 928 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski had failed a bunch of physicals coming into 929 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 1: the draft process. So has heat dropped in the draft. 930 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: And it could be any generic player. Well, one thing 931 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: you have in the NFL draft. If you draft in 932 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: the first round, you get a five year contract. You're 933 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: drafted outside the first round, you get a four year contract. 934 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 1: So if you look at the lost money that he 935 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 1: would lost for those first few years of the contract, 936 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: guess what you're gonna get to the market a year earlier. 937 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna get the cash in on that second contract, 938 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: which is a lot bigger than your first contract. You're 939 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: gonna get to the table a year earlier to help 940 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 1: offset some of those lost wages, maybe because you know, 941 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 1: the medical thing dinged you a little bit. If you 942 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 1: perform during that first contract, you get to the market 943 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 1: a year earlier. There's lots of little catches and caveats 944 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: in there. I think that account for some of these concerns. Now, 945 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: do I think that that we be more efficient and 946 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: pooling doctors and and not having to have these guys 947 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: have that long of a process. Sure, let's share more 948 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 1: information and maybe not have such a grind there. But 949 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,400 Speaker 1: I would also add in saying though there's no value 950 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: and the if you looked at the testing side of it, 951 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 1: I do think there is because you might have been 952 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,839 Speaker 1: in a program maybe where you didn't have the best 953 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 1: strength program, or maybe you had offseason injuries, and so 954 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,280 Speaker 1: I watched you and even though I have your GPS 955 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 1: information on the on the field and the fall, how 956 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: many times if we've seen guys that we knew were 957 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 1: four or five for six guys all of a sudden, 958 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 1: they get in a training program, their nutrition all of 959 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,879 Speaker 1: a sudden gets out and they're not taking studies anymore. Um, 960 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 1: They're they're lifting a different way than they were previously. 961 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: Now they go out there and they run in the 962 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,799 Speaker 1: four threes four fours and like, Okay, he helped. I've 963 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 1: definitely seen guys help themselves. It's not just a situation 964 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 1: where guys hurt themselves going through this process. Yeah, I 965 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,359 Speaker 1: think a lot of made A lot has made of 966 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,800 Speaker 1: that about a winners and losers coming out of the 967 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,800 Speaker 1: combine and those things and easy. Let's be honest, A 968 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,440 Speaker 1: lot of this stuff for us is for TV. Is 969 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,080 Speaker 1: it clicks like we're forced into winners and losers. You 970 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,799 Speaker 1: both have worked for teams, multiple teams where we said, 971 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,279 Speaker 1: hey man, look the combine can't hurt you. What it 972 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 1: does is it's a checking point. It is something that 973 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,279 Speaker 1: is to remind us and maybe we need to go 974 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 1: back and look and just kind of confirm some of 975 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 1: the things that showed up doing his workout. Hey is 976 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 1: he fast as he slored? Does that show up on 977 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: the tape when we go back and look at the 978 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: game film, Because ultimately the game tape is the d 979 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 1: n A. That's what we're looking at. How you perform 980 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: in action, that's how probably how you're gonna perform in 981 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 1: the pros. These other things, though, are to help us 982 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,279 Speaker 1: make decisions based on you versus other guys as we're 983 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: stacking the board up, who's longer, who's the better athlete, 984 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 1: whose football character fits in better with our program. But 985 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: we don't get an opportunity to do those things until 986 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,200 Speaker 1: we sit down across from you. And so there have 987 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,360 Speaker 1: been things and changes to the line of questioning and 988 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: all of those things that have significantly, um I would say, 989 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,399 Speaker 1: made it a better experience for the process the way 990 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 1: that it was for the prospects, the way that it 991 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: was yester year. Yeah, it was open season. We should 992 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 1: ask crazy questions and all that. Now those questions off 993 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,319 Speaker 1: the tape, and so I don't think it's as big 994 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 1: of a deal as some people make it out to be. 995 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,279 Speaker 1: There are a lot harder things that you can do 996 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 1: for three days in the NFL. Do it one time. 997 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 1: And then the other thing I would add is I 998 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,919 Speaker 1: was talking to a coach the other day or talking 999 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,239 Speaker 1: to a personnel executive, I should say, and we're talking 1000 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:24,839 Speaker 1: about a player in this draft class and they had 1001 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: talked to him at an All Star game and they 1002 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,239 Speaker 1: asked him about the importance of football in his life, like, 1003 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: just tell me that. That's just a very open question, right, Hey, 1004 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,720 Speaker 1: how important is football to you? And kids said, football 1005 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,239 Speaker 1: saved my life. You know, I was on I was 1006 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,160 Speaker 1: on a track going in one direction. I did not 1007 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 1: have maybe the support around me growing up, and I 1008 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,719 Speaker 1: was drifting through life. And football save my life. And 1009 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,439 Speaker 1: that's why I pour everything I have into football. That's 1010 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: why I'm doing this training, this in the off season 1011 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 1: and focused on that. That's why I got better every year. 1012 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: Like that, that sounds like how can you help yourself 1013 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: in a conversation or answer to a question, Well, that 1014 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: dude did. When he had that kind versation, that team 1015 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: elevated him because like, we like the player now is 1016 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 1: we got to know him and visit with him and 1017 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,400 Speaker 1: talk with him. We're gonna we want to bet on 1018 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,879 Speaker 1: this guy. We believe in this guy. And that's off 1019 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: of a conversation. So he helped himself just by interacting. 1020 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: You know. It's funny because I'm reading all these business 1021 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,440 Speaker 1: books and they talk about building great cultures and maintaining 1022 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,680 Speaker 1: great cultures where they talk about um. Little Jim Collins 1023 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,480 Speaker 1: has the book Uh Good to Great, and first thing 1024 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,839 Speaker 1: he says is first to who, then the what, Get 1025 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,840 Speaker 1: the right people on the squad, then figure out what 1026 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,359 Speaker 1: you need to do. But the only way you can 1027 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 1: assist the who is to figure out who am I 1028 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: talking to and what are there about? What is their 1029 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,560 Speaker 1: value system? Do their values aligned with the values of 1030 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 1: the team, the organization, and so you have to have 1031 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,719 Speaker 1: those conversations. And the only time that we really have 1032 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,720 Speaker 1: an opportunity to have those conversations is really three moments 1033 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,920 Speaker 1: d J. Is sometimes in the fall, we we go 1034 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,720 Speaker 1: do the visit, maybe we bump into our prospect casually 1035 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 1: and have a conversation too. Is really the All Star 1036 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 1: Game where we get a chance to do that stuff 1037 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,320 Speaker 1: where he may be there to All Star Game, the 1038 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, to the East West round the Hula Bowl. 1039 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: You get a chance to sit with them, but normally 1040 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: it's not the decision makers is a lower level scout 1041 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 1: that is conducting the interview. And then the combine. You 1042 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 1: have the combine where you get him outside of that, Yeah, 1043 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: you get a chance to bring guys in for a 1044 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,439 Speaker 1: thirty a thirty visit twenty four hours, you get them. 1045 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,879 Speaker 1: So we're talking about making million dollar decisions of three 1046 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,879 Speaker 1: or four interactions. I just don't understand. How else are 1047 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,759 Speaker 1: you going to do that when every other industry in 1048 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,400 Speaker 1: the world you have to have some kind of interview 1049 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: or vetting out process to determine whether you want someone 1050 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,520 Speaker 1: to join your business, your organization or not. I was 1051 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 1: talking to a buddy the other day who was interviewing 1052 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 1: with Apple, and he said he's been through three rounds 1053 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,959 Speaker 1: interviews and he's hoping he gets the job. He's already 1054 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 1: met with him three times. I mean, I mean, it's 1055 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,840 Speaker 1: just it's gonna be like that. You're gonna want to 1056 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 1: interact with these guys, get a better feel for him, 1057 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,040 Speaker 1: and make better informed decisions, and especially when you have 1058 00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: the financial commitment that you're getting ready to make. So 1059 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 1: I think I still think there's value there with the 1060 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,359 Speaker 1: scouting combine. Hopefully uh it does not go away. Are 1061 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 1: there ways to be more efficient in some of the 1062 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,319 Speaker 1: medical stuff sharing information and not making that such a 1063 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 1: you know, an arduous task going through that. Sure, I 1064 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,239 Speaker 1: think we can agree on that that we can make 1065 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 1: that a little more friendly. But at the end of 1066 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,520 Speaker 1: the day a little bit because here here's the other thing. 1067 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 1: You don't have to play like. No one it's saying 1068 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:22,759 Speaker 1: you don't have to like if you don't want to 1069 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 1: go through all that, you don't have to, like, go 1070 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 1: do something else that you can get on with life's work. 1071 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,719 Speaker 1: You don't. No one is making you play football. But 1072 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,759 Speaker 1: if you want to play, there's certain things that you 1073 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,439 Speaker 1: have to do. There's we go that barriers to entry. 1074 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,279 Speaker 1: There are certain things that you have to do if 1075 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 1: you want to play in the National Football They look 1076 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 1: it's a privilege, it's not a birthright, and so some 1077 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,000 Speaker 1: of these things have to be done. And I think 1078 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 1: everyone has to understand it, like they're just not giving 1079 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,719 Speaker 1: away money for you to play football without you having 1080 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,000 Speaker 1: to do some things and pro prove some things. I 1081 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,000 Speaker 1: think we're we're in agreement. There. Would encourage everybody to 1082 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,080 Speaker 1: check us out on the postgame coverage. Um you can. 1083 00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,920 Speaker 1: You can find us there on the on the NFL channel. 1084 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,879 Speaker 1: You can find Bucky, myself, Rhett will be together after 1085 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,600 Speaker 1: the super Bowl and then we're gonna do our recap 1086 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,759 Speaker 1: right after that, so that'll be available to you, you know, 1087 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,040 Speaker 1: probably first thing Monday morning. He'll be able to listen 1088 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: to our recap to the Super Bowl on that episode 1089 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,399 Speaker 1: as well. Padres just signed you Darvish to an extension book. 1090 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,800 Speaker 1: Just more good news as we marched towards the World Series. 1091 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,160 Speaker 1: I love it, man, I love it. I hope you'll 1092 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,319 Speaker 1: finally get there one day, like, oh, we finally get there. 1093 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 1: You'll play in a seven games series, a meaningful seven 1094 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,879 Speaker 1: games series. By the way, those those Dodgers World Series 1095 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,520 Speaker 1: rings from what flavor? Were those little Mickey Mouse rings? 1096 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,680 Speaker 1: They're like a ring pop right for that? Yeah, they 1097 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,280 Speaker 1: all count. They have strawberry flavor. Yeah, nice, they all count. 1098 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,200 Speaker 1: The Dodgers and Lakers both got those little those pop rings. 1099 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,759 Speaker 1: That's good stuff. All right, this has been fun. I 1100 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,560 Speaker 1: hope you guys have had fun hanging with us. Here. 1101 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,759 Speaker 1: We will catch you next time. Right here, I'll move 1102 00:49:51,840 --> 00:50:00,440 Speaker 1: this step. Nice job to be all wait, go you 1103 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,160 Speaker 1: have to go to want ut