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Speaker 1: What is going on everybody? John Middlecoff Threeing Out podcast.

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Speaker 1: That's me. That's the show, Live from Quarantine, A lot

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Speaker 1: of quarantine in and a lot of chilling, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I kind of cracked earlier this week. I can't watch

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Speaker 1: watching super Bowls and I watched the O two Super

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Speaker 1: calling the game. Peyton Manning turned down Monday Night Football,

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Speaker 1: and I have some thoughts there the Panthers and this

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Speaker 1: whole Cam Newton saga, them signing Teddy Bridgewater. I want

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Speaker 1: to like Matt Rule. I mean I do, based on

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Speaker 1: in college. I got some questions, you know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: Under the three and Out Under the Three and Out podcast,

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Speaker 1: I would, uh, I would greatly appreciate that. It's been

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Speaker 1: uh been a lot of hanging out, a lot of eating.

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Speaker 1: my discipline in this in these quarantine times. But I'm

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Speaker 1: staying positive. Keep your head up, and we'll just keep

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Speaker 1: on swinging, baby, Stay quarantined. Stay. Uh. Let's let's stop

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Speaker 1: this so we can get out of the coronavirus for

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Speaker 1: the love of God and uh back to some semblance

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Speaker 1: you know, of reality. But until then, we'll just have

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Speaker 1: to talk about football here on the podcast. Well we

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Speaker 1: do that anyway. And I was watching the O two

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Speaker 1: had actually just traded him. I tweeted it out. I

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Speaker 1: I understand why John has a big ego. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if I got traded for two first rounders, two second rounders,

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Speaker 1: less than that. Think about that. So I get it.

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Speaker 1: But John Madden was on the call, and I'm watching

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's He's one of the great true if

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Speaker 1: sopranos Like John Madden is easily the most famous famous

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Speaker 1: eight million back in ninety two the video game. He

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning was just more like yeah, I'll do whatever,

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Speaker 1: under wraps. If you can't trade him, cut him like

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Speaker 1: you did Greg Olsen. He probably should have been cutting

427
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Speaker 1: before the free agency open. Now. I get it, it

428
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,120
Speaker 1: is a business and they were hoping to trade him,

429
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: but you should have had a feel he was gonna

430
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Speaker 1: be untradeable with his injuries, and if you're trying to

431
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: trade him, you're basically acknowledging you're healthy. And this is

432
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: back to why didn't you just roll with him? This year?

433
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: You're going with Teddy Bridgewater, You're signing Robby Anderson. It's

434
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: like they're getting the whole Temple University alum. It's a

435
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 1: little bit higher level with a signed p J. Walker,

436
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 1: the other guy from Temple that was in the XFL.

437
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: It has a little bit of a Chip Kelly feel

438
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Speaker 1: to it. It's like, are you just signing these guys

439
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 1: because you know him? Aren't you the culture guy? Aren't

440
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 1: use bolts to send the tempo? Cam's been around Ron

441
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: Rivera for nine years, who's an old school hard ass.

442
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 1: They got along fine, They figured it out. They had

443
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 1: no issues. Like, again, if you think Cam is gonna

444
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: disrupt your locker room, I don't think that's really been

445
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,199
Speaker 1: his issue. Now. Can you act like a diva sometimes

446
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: on game day? Sure? But the one thing that never

447
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: came out with Ron Rivera's you know, this guy is

448
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 1: a pain in my ass. That's not really how he felt.

449
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: Right now, they tried to be smarter about the way

450
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: they ran him to tried to change their offense to

451
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: protect them a little more football things. But when you

452
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Speaker 1: think culture, like did they overvalue culture? Teddy Bridgewater sixty

453
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 1: million dollars? Teddy Bridge was a good backup, great kid.

454
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Speaker 1: If you're starting quarterback for sixteen games or three straight years,

455
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Speaker 1: you're in no man's land. And I'm no man's land.

456
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: So is right off the bat is Matt Rule valuing

457
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: character and people that he knows more than just talent

458
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 1: and talent. When I say, like, you can sign talented

459
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: players that you don't know, coaches do it all over

460
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 1: the league all the time. Like Kyle Shanahan didn't know DeFord,

461
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: they traded for him. Okay, they're starting defensive end. Like,

462
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: to be a good coach in this league, you have

463
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: to be somewhat uncomfortable being around guys that you don't

464
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 1: know that much about. Obviously, you have done research, you

465
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: have reports on them coming out of college. But in

466
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Speaker 1: free agency, like, I don't really get it, and I

467
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Speaker 1: don't think there really is a plan because now I

468
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Speaker 1: think that they're probably thinking, maybe we can be kind

469
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Speaker 1: of good. Well, you're not gonna be kind of good

470
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Speaker 1: because the Saints are really good. Tampa is gonna be

471
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: better than you, and even the Falcons, now they pulled

472
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: the coaches names out of a hat and started playing

473
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 1: well at the end of the season, are just better

474
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Speaker 1: than you. Two. You're gonna be the worst team in

475
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Speaker 1: that division. So if you're gonna be the worst team

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Speaker 1: in that division, you might as well just be really

477
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Speaker 1: shitty and be in position to draft one of these

478
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 1: top two quarterbacks and not in a way where you're

479
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: actively trying to tank right now. But it makes no sense.

480
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: I can't wrap my head around giving sixty million. I

481
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: google that. I never saw the official guaranteed number. But

482
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. I mean, they're paying Teddy Bridgewater twenty

483
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Speaker 1: million dollars a year and they're at least tied to

484
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Speaker 1: him this season, and you might as well if you

485
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Speaker 1: were gonna get rid of Camp, I would have just

486
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 1: rolled like Kyle Allen and signed case keenum Teddy Bridge.

487
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Speaker 1: I just I don't get it. And I think sometimes

488
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Speaker 1: with Chip Kelly, these high level guys, they get into

489
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Speaker 1: this level that they're not used to, they're not comfortable with,

490
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Speaker 1: and they can be overwhelmed and they can do stupid

491
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Speaker 1: things and they can put themselves. They can actually take

492
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Speaker 1: a step back before they ever take a step forward.

493
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Speaker 1: And sometimes if you take several steps back, you're never

494
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Speaker 1: able to make up for it. And Matt Rule, I

495
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: get he got up six seven year contract, but I

496
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Speaker 1: don't know, man, I already I don't have a full

497
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Speaker 1: on red flag. But I'm just I'm watching that a

498
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: little differently than I would have when he was originally hired. Okay,

499
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Speaker 1: let's dive into the middlecoff mail bag first, I just

500
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Speaker 1: want to read, uh this tweet by Adam Schefter. It's

501
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 1: just fantastic. Roger goodellson out a memo tonight. I'm recording this.

502
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: It's like six o'clock Thursday night. The memo basically said,

503
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Speaker 1: the draft is happening, the date is not being changed,

504
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: so just proceed as normal given the circumstances. In Roger

505
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Speaker 1: Goodell's memo, this is what you haveter wrote that the

506
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: draft he served a warning to those around the league

507
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: that criticizes the league stands. Goodell wrote, public discussion of

508
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Speaker 1: issues relating to the draft serves no useful purpose, and

509
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Speaker 1: his grounds for disciplinary action. I love that that That

510
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Speaker 1: that to me reminds me a lot of David Stern.

511
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Speaker 1: Uh listen, we can all be critical of Roger Goodell

512
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: over the years. He's done some stupid things. But that's

513
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Speaker 1: that's what the commit term needs to say. Like the

514
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: Corona sucks for everybody, We're not changing the draft. Shut

515
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: up about it and figure it out. Meanwhile, every five

516
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: minutes Adam Silver's leaking something to woad Manfred always screws up.

517
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Speaker 1: Say what you want about Roger Goodell the NFL, I

518
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: mean it's not all. I mean, he doesn't deserve, you know,

519
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: full credit, but he's drawn a line, hard line in

520
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: the sand. He's been a part of the greatest economic

521
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: growth in league history. Football is now America's pastime and

522
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: he's led the pro league. So like the other two

523
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: commissioners would die to be at Roger Goodell right now,

524
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: his league is the one that Prince cash the other ones.

525
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: The NFL is taken on water by the day. I

526
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 1: call it one of our great economic bubbles right now

527
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: in any industry. The NBA, if they don't play the

528
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: rest of the season, I mean you you're you're gonna

529
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: see the league having to give out loans and some

530
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: of their franchises, even some of their bigger franchises, like

531
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Speaker 1: the Houston Rockets, they're in shambles because their owner is

532
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: deep in one he borrowed money against the team. He

533
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: doesn't have any outside help because he privately owns everything.

534
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: He's also in the casino business. They're all shut down.

535
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: He's screwed. And then you have all the small markets

536
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: are in major trouble. So listen, We've all talked a

537
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: lot of shit about Roger Goodell over the years. Some

538
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: of it was justified, but I gotta give him credits

539
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: these last several years, and that's saying, just shut your mouth.

540
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: The Draft is happening. We're doing it. And you know

541
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: what the draft is gonna do when when they hosted

542
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: on the it'll be the highest rated draft in NFL history.

543
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: It'll be it might be one of the highest rated

544
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: sports events in a long long time, just given how

545
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: think about this. It's mark We're about a month away

546
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: from the draft. No sports still then none, we don't

547
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 1: have anything. We're just they're all canceled for the foreseeable future. Nothing.

548
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: We're just watching Netflix and and HBO and I'm losing

549
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: my I got Food Network on in the background. I

550
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: can only watch so much news here about the coronas

551
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: so many times, I just I just want a game.

552
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the draft. We're obviously gonna talk

553
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: a lot about the draft over the UH over the

554
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: next month. Thank god for the draft. Okay, was wondering

555
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the Colts offseason moves thus far. Obviously,

556
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: on paper, they are better than last season, but it's

557
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: what they have done really the best plan for winning

558
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl as soon as possible. I just don't

559
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: feel adding a geriatric Philip Rivers Buckner and whatever other

560
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: free agent or rookie they acquire this offseason is gonna

561
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: be near enough to make the Super Bowl. Are they

562
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: delusional with this wind now strategy or do you honestly

563
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: think they have a shot at making the ship. To me,

564
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: it seems like they will be the same mediocre fringe

565
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: playoff position they are always in. Well, I think if

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00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: Jacobe Risette stays healthy last year, they are competitive to

567
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: get the last wild card spot. When you look at

568
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: their division, you go the Houston Texans, which feel like

569
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: they win it all the time. If the Colts don't

570
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: win it, they got worse. They got rid of their

571
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: best player, traded the Clowney's long gone, Wat's a year older,

572
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: Watson seems unhappy, and they have no draft picks. So

573
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Speaker 1: if it wasn't for the sec around or that came

574
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: with David Johnson, they would really have nothing. Now, if

575
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: David Johnson is good, it would help them out, but

576
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: still they're they're receiving threat Hopkins has averaged. I think

577
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: like he had a hundred fourteen catches two years ago

578
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: and I think a hundred four last year. And he's

579
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: just a dominant blue chip player. So they're worse. The

580
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: Jaguars stink. I mean, they are awful. So if I'm

581
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: the Colts, I go the Texans. They still got Bill

582
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: O'Brien Deshaun Watson. They'll be feisty, but I don't view

583
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: them as a playoff team. And then I got the

584
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: Titans too, are really good. So can we beat the Titans?

585
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: And Steve mcdair and Eddie George ain't walking through the door.

586
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: Well maybe Eddie George is and Derrick Henry but we'll

587
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: see on Ryan Tannehill solid player, good player. I like Grabel,

588
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: I love John Robinson, like that team solid, but I

589
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: think they're them in the culture like the same thing.

590
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: If Rivers is good and he should be inside the dome,

591
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: then you guys got a chance to be pretty good. Really,

592
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: that's simple. It's if if the quarterback plays high level

593
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: and he can elevate people. Now the weapons, I'd have

594
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: to pull up the roster, but t Y has gotta

595
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: stay healthy. Um, you know that they're gonna have to

596
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: draft a wide receiver. Clearly pick the forty Niners are

597
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: gonna use that on a receiver. The culture gonna have

598
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: to hit on a second or third round wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: And even sometimes when we draft a guy that you

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Speaker 1: know in the second round, think about like Davante Adams,

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00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: who's you know, a top seven eight wide receiver in

602
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: the league, top six seven whatever. It took him a

603
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: couple of years and he was a second round pick. Now.

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00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: Juju is another example of the second round pick that

605
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: was good right away, but it was a little easier

606
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: at Antonio Brown, so we got to kind of ease

607
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: into it even though he was productive from the jump.

608
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas like, for every second round pick, that's sweet.

609
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: Some guys aren't a sweet, but they're gonna need immediate

610
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: like Debo, dk Metcalf with whoever they take in the

611
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: second round, they're they're gonna be They're gonna be on

612
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: that guy. To god, some of these questions are so long.

613
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: They're gonna need that guy to produce. Why doesn't since

614
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: he signed Cam and trade back for extra picks and

615
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: take to a to a Cam and a few extra

616
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: high round lineman sounds like a better yield to me

617
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: than just getting burrowed next year, they can move off

618
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 1: Cam handed to us, sort of like Casey moved off

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith. Think if you were Cincinnati and you picked

620
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: up the phone, you called Miami and you said, we

621
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: will take We'll give you one, we want five, we

622
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: want eighteen, and we want a second round pick this

623
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: year in a second round pick next year. And like

624
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: you said, Cam and to a not a crazy idea

625
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: at all. They're not going to do that. Mike Brown

626
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: doesn't think like that, but I can get behind that.

627
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: I actually think a flyer on Cam just given you

628
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: know what if he is healthy. It's a big if,

629
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: but what if he is healthy, Like I would not

630
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: just write him off for his career being over. He's

631
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: a physical freak. He's had a lot of time off.

632
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: He only played in two games. Again. The Instagram video

633
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: of him working out, he looks shredded. I'm thinking about

634
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: when I finished recording, going to get some ice cream

635
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: or something again social distancing. I will go into seven eleven.

636
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Speaker 1: Make sure not touch anybody, but kind of feeding something.

637
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Speaker 1: Quarantine has got me eating kind of bad. But claint

638
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: cam Newton looks good. I don't hate that idea at all,

639
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: But the problem is the Cincinnati Bengals are just never

640
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: doing that. I listen to your three Now podcasts all

641
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: all the time. It's my first favorite podcast. I'm an

642
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: Eagles fan. Eagles have interest in Yannick in doc Way,

643
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: and he seems to be interested in them. He definitely

644
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: wants out of Jacksonville. Eagles still need help with receiver.

645
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: What do you think is the monster trade? Eagles trade

646
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: Derek Barnett and their first round pick this year and

647
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: next year in exchange for Yannick and Jacksonville's number nine

648
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: overall pick this year. Yeah, that's not happening. This allows

649
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: the Eagles to get Yannick plus Ceede Lamba or Jerry Judy. Yeah.

650
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: I mean that's just that's not that's Derek Barnett. This

651
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: is not this deal is already kind of off whack.

652
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: I don't think the Eagles and how we are in

653
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: a position to mortgage like multiple first round picks for Yannick,

654
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: even though he's a really good player. I think he

655
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: clearly wants enormous money. If you're the Eagles, I think

656
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: you just use your pick and you draft a wide receiver.

657
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: You know how he's been in on these guys, but

658
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: the one thing he consistently does is he doesn't overpay.

659
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: And when he got instead of getting Byron Jones and

660
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: given him forty million through two years, he got Darius

661
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: Slay for basically thirty million dollars or ten million dollars

662
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: cheaper a guy that's had more success, and he didn't

663
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: have to trade that much. He traded a third and

664
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Speaker 1: a fifth round pick. They need their first round pick,

665
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: they need their second round pick. That they need the

666
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: assets because they need to get younger. So I don't

667
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: think how he and the Eagles are in a position

668
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: to do a deal like that now. Next year, if

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00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: Yannick becomes a free agent, I think they'd be all

670
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: over signing him, and he'd be a perfect scheme fit.

671
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: But I think you've seen like how he's good at

672
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: putting a price tag like we will do this, but

673
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: we won't go once I this is the most I'm

674
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: gonna pay. And in fairness, like I don't know if

675
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: I ever became a GM, if I would have stayed

676
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: on that path, which who knows how long that would

677
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: have taken me. If ever, I'm not that good at that,

678
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: because when I want something, I want something, and I

679
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: think the best business deals comes a lot of times

680
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: come with patients and no owing when to walk away.

681
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: And it's one thing in business. Sometimes in football, you know,

682
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: it's not like you're looking at it like a balance sheet.

683
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: You're looking at it like I really just want that player.

684
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: So while I didn't love the Rams, I thought they

685
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: gave too much for Jalen Ramsey, I do get it.

686
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: They just this is the best corner in the league.

687
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: We get him in our scheme and we'll just him

688
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: and Aaron Donald will dominate. Who knows, I'm helped me

689
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: and you might have done that deal, But how you

690
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: want If all the O T A s are canceled,

691
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: do you think this might be the best preseason? Would

692
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: would you think coaches would play starters and get more

693
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,959
Speaker 1: reps on offensive defense and work things out that they've

694
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: done in O T A S. That's a hell of

695
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: a question. I haven't thought that. For the problem will

696
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: be if there's no O T A S. There is

697
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: going to be a huge premium on guy's discipline. You're

698
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 1: gonna have to work out on your own. And one

699
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: problem is a lot of jim ms these guys go

700
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: to even in the off season are closed right now. Now,

701
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: let's face it, when you're rich and famous, you can

702
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: get access to stuff. But I still think it's gonna

703
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: be difficult. So the typical regiment and these guys are

704
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: used to working out with other players, Like if you're

705
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: an NFL player, you're gonna work out with the other

706
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: other NFL players. I'm not even talking about the workouts

707
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: that you do once the offseason activities happen. I'm talking

708
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: about right now, the month leading up to Phase one

709
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: and then in the summer. These guys don't just go Baker, right,

710
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: but most of the league doesn't just go sit on

711
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: a beach and drink margarita. Is They maintain that fitness

712
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: so when they get back to training camp, they're ready

713
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: to hit the ground running. I think it's gonna be

714
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: a challenge. You're gonna you might need to spend the

715
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: first couple of weeks just working on personal fitness. You

716
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: can't put guys in position if they haven't been able

717
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: to work out. Now, we're a long ways away from

718
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: knowing what's gonna happen in the summer. But that's a

719
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: that's a great question. I think we're just in such

720
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: uncharted territory. I think everything would be on the table.

721
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: But seeing guys play a ton in preseason, if guys

722
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: aren't in shape, I don't think they're starters. I don't

723
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: think God, I don't think coaches would risk putting their

724
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: better players in harm's way. It doesn't make sense, especially

725
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 1: if you hadn't played football basically all year long. Right

726
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: if the if the off season is wiped out, that

727
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: means all these guys that met at Max are just

728
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: working one on one with a trainer, and who knows,

729
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: Like that's not your typical you know workout that these

730
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: guys are doing because most of these off season activities

731
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: the first month is just weightlifting. And usually if whoever

732
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: your fellow team, you usually read it, you're like, oh,

733
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: it's they got ninety nine participation percentage. Like most teams,

734
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: every guy shows up. That's why when Odell doesn't show

735
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: up or Tom Brady hasn't showed up, its story because

736
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: most teams, every player shows up. Why wouldn't you. You're

737
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: gonna give me up. I'm gonna get an incentive bonus

738
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: anyway for working out. I'm gonna lift, no matter what

739
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: I say it. All the time. Players that skip O

740
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: t A s like I I get you got and

741
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: Tom Brady gets a little more ladded two. But it's

742
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: like you get, you got like a two bonus and

743
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: you're working out with your teammates anyway. It is a

744
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: team sport. This isn't golf, isn't tennis. Was a Big

745
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: Bucks fan growing up. Do you think that Trent Dilfor

746
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: or Brad Johnson are good comparisons for Kirk Cousins. Both

747
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: one Super Bowls because they had elite defenses, and they both,

748
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: to my memory, were not super talented. I can't speak

749
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: on Trent Dilfor. I'm not old enough to kind of

750
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: remember how talented he was coming in the league. I mean,

751
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: I'm a freendent State guy. He clearly was a freak talent,

752
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: big arm He's talked about this on other podcasts. I

753
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: don't know if he was mature enough went to the

754
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: wrong situation. By the time he started playing for the Buccaneers,

755
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: he wasn't that talented. Brad Johnson watching that Super Bowl,

756
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: I think Kirk Cousins at this point in time is

757
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: better than either one of those two guys in their peak.

758
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Now, if you put Kirk Cousins

759
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: on the O two Bucks or the OH one Ravens,

760
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: you could win a Super Bowl for sure. So yeah,

761
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: is but is he the right comparison for that? I

762
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: don't think he is. I think the right comparison for

763
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: him is like it's like a Trent Green, remember when

764
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: he was with Kansas City, when Dick Vermeil got there

765
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: and they were scoring all those points. The physical characteristics

766
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: might be a little different. I just mean a guy

767
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: that puts up a lot of stats, but it's not

768
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: gonna beat anyone in the playoffs. You could argue Trent

769
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: reached probably better player. Krikus is gonna make a lot

770
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: of money, though, chrik Us is gonna make a boatload

771
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: of money for probably two career playoff wins. Uh does

772
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: Emanuel Sanders go into the Saints make perfect sense for

773
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: both sides. Seeing what Sean Payton has done with Taysom

774
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: Hill this past year makes me go crazy with what

775
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: can be done with Sanders added to the mix. Yeah,

776
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: he's a man of Sanders is a good player. I

777
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: mean the forty Niners, I know for a fact wanted

778
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: him back. They just had a price point they just

779
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: can't afford. And then once they trade to Forest Buckner

780
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: for pick, they're just gonna use pick on a receiver.

781
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: So Emmanuel Sanders is a legitimate starter on a super

782
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: Bowl team. He was. He came to the Niners and

783
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: had a huge in the forty Niners and not making

784
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl last year, or would not have if

785
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: Emmanuel doesn't show up now. He is an older player,

786
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: he doesn't really have an injury history. He just has

787
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: one major injury in the Achilles. But I thought with

788
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: the Niners he looked fantastic. So you put him with

789
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: Jared Cook, with Kamara, with Taysom Hill, with Michael Thomas,

790
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: who I think some people forget had like a hundred

791
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: nine catches last year. Like seriously, he had a hundred

792
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: forty eight catches he's a monster. So you put him

793
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: with Cook and Breeze, Yeah, they should. And he's really

794
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: the other thing about a manually's really smart football smart.

795
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: So the transition with no offseason, I don't think it'll

796
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: be that difficult. Who do you see the Niners taking

797
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: at thirteen? If they stay at thirteen, I think they

798
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: go a couple of routes. I think receiver is the

799
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: thing that makes the most sense. It would be Rugs Judy.

800
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't think Ceedee Lamb makes that much sense for

801
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: them because they already have debo. Now you could argue,

802
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: just get Deebo Sea Bowl, Ceedee Lamb and just start

803
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: rocking and rolling with Kittle. But I also think defensive line,

804
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: you can never have enough defensive lineman. They just traded Buckner.

805
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,959
Speaker 1: If a sweet defensive lineman's there, I wouldn't complain about

806
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: drafting one, especially when you also have picked thirty one

807
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: and you can take a wide receiver there. So as

808
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: the forty show last year they traded or they took

809
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel in the second round. He was one of

810
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: their best players this year. The good thing with the

811
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: draft when you have depth at a position and you

812
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: have multiple picks high in the first or second round,

813
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: you can wait. You know, you don't need to force

814
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: a need if you have a better player on your board,

815
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 1: you know, rated like a corner. The Niners need a corner.

816
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: Richards two years old and he's going into his last

817
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: year of his contract. The opposite corners Emmanuel Moseley, who's

818
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent. So I don't know enough about

819
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: this corner draft. I'm gonna have to text around. But

820
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: if there's a corner that justifies thirteenth overall pick, I

821
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: think that could easily do that. Big fan of the podcast,

822
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: I'm a diehard Browns fan, and I'm curious about they're ineptitude.

823
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: Their failures go back to the Learner family, like a

824
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: dozen different regimes. Were they all just bad groups? Or

825
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: is it really easy as that bad of a note

826
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: or is it really just as easy as they have

827
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: had a bad ownership. I remember Phil Savage telling me,

828
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: who's with the Jets? Now? Who was the GM there?

829
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: With the Learners? The Learners were just never around. They

830
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: just didn't really care about football. Uh So, I just

831
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: think you had much more pressure on the GM. I mean,

832
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: Phil will tell you he just hired the wrong coach

833
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: Romeo Cornell. You can't win Romeo Cornell. If you hired

834
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: the right coach, maybe they win. Uh. This this new

835
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: ownership and Jimmy Haslum, I think he's just too big

836
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: of a micro manager. You know, you've had the opposite

837
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: ends of the spectrum. The Learners just didn't give a

838
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: ship at all and had nothing to do with anything,

839
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: and then you have Jimmy Haslum that just has his

840
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: hands in like the practice squad. There's gotta be a balance,

841
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: and I think the best organizations, you know, the one

842
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: I have that i've worked for, the Eagles, I think

843
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Lury is a great balance. He knows what's going

844
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: on in the draft, but he's not telling you who

845
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: to draft. He knows what's going on in free agency,

846
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: but he's not telling you who to sign. And I

847
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: see it here with the Niners. Like listen Jed the

848
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: debacle of Jim Harbaugh. That that was bad and that

849
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: was really ugly. But I defend Jed in the sense

850
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: of he just kind of stays out of their way,

851
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: but whatever they need, he gives them, And I think

852
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: that's good owners have that all around the league. Look

853
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: at the teams that consistently win. I think Robert Kraft

854
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: is a good balance. I think the dude in Minnesota

855
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: does a good job. Uh. I think, uh, you know,

856
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: Jerry's kind of unique. Clearly, Paul Allen was Seattle whatever

857
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: they needed. With Pete Carroll. With John Schnyder, he's around,

858
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: or he was, I mean before he passed away, but

859
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: he's not. You can't have an owner telling you who

860
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: to sign, and I think some of these owners do that.

861
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: The Steelers, I mean, actually most of the ownership in

862
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: the NFL is pretty high level. Big Falcons fan. With

863
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: all the attention Tampa's getting, and it is justified, but

864
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: everyone's saying it's a two team race between them and

865
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Speaker 1: the Saints. My question, do you think the Falcons can

866
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Speaker 1: make it a three team race or even with Carolina,

867
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: the NFC South could be far deeper. Yeah, I don't

868
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: think Caroline is gonna be very good. My question on

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00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: the Falcons is, let's see, they trying to think of

870
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: some of their moves. So they they let Austin Hooper

871
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: walk and they get Hayden Hurst, so maybe that becomes

872
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: a wash. I mean, Austin Hooper is probably better player.

873
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: They still got Julio, they still got Calvin Ridley, they

874
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: got Maddie Ice, they signed Todd Gurley, which who knows.

875
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: Their defense was much better in the second half and

876
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: for the most part last year they scored points early

877
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: in the season. It was they couldn't stop anybody because

878
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: their defense was atrocious. They do have talent on the team. Uh,

879
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: just thinking of the roster. They don't have a great

880
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: pass rusher. They do have team speed in their secondary.

881
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: Didn't they released Esmond true font Uh the middle linebacker

882
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: they've had for a while. Dion Jones a good player. Yeah,

883
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean I would say Tampa I have more faith.

884
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 1: I think Bruce Arians a better coach than dan Quinn.

885
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: That to me is a huge element. Let's even say

886
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: Maddie Ice and Matt and Tom Brady in two thousand

887
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: twenty are the same player. I just I have more

888
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: faith in Bruce Arians than I do dan Quinn. That

889
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: being said, like dan Quinn's had successful teams, had playoff teams.

890
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't think we can just discount the

891
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: Falcons as being some you know, slap team next year,

892
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: like a six seven win team. I think if it

893
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: all goes right, they could win nine ten games. Obviously

894
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: need a good draft. I've been listening to your podcast

895
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: since the first time it showed up on the Herd Feed.

896
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: I wish you were the talent that replaces Coward when

897
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: he was on vacation back a few months ago. I

898
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: remember you mentioned you growing up and followed the teams

899
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: you could watch. I was born in Puerto Rico. I

900
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: started to follow sports in the late seventies. The game

901
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: of the week always was the Yankees and cable TV

902
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 1: the Boston feed. So I became a Yankees, Boston Celtics

903
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: and the San Fransco forty Niners fans. Those are my teams.

904
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: Uh So now on TV all I had is the

905
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: New York market. Funny, now I'm a Yankees, Nicks, and

906
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: New York Giants fan. To finish, I agree with you

907
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: that kids follow players and not teams. So this was

908
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: just a nice little note. I appreciate it. Yeah, I

909
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 1: do think it depends where you live. If you live

910
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: in certainly, if you grow up in New York, you're

911
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: gonna grow up for the New York teams. If you

912
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: grew up in the Bay Area, l A, You're gonna

913
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: be a Dodger Laker fan or a Niner Warrior fan.

914
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: To me, if you grew up in certain areas that

915
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: like North Dakota, you might just gravitate to who's winning,

916
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: you know, kids basketball. I think it's a little more national.

917
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up, I was born in eighty four.

918
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: A lot of people are getting on me because they

919
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: sell Parcels one with the same quarterback twice. People like

920
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: Jeff Hussteller. He he Phil Sims got hurt. It's like, okay, guys,

921
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Some of my eighties history is a little

922
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: hit or miss. I feel confident talking anything nineties four,

923
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: so I you know, I try to expand. I'm not

924
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: Belichick historian here, but you're right, he won with two quarterbacks.

925
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 1: You know, I'm thirty five, not sixty. My bad. I

926
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: got a lot of people on me. Middlef Parcels won

927
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 1: with two different quarterbacks. Your theory is wrong. Like, okay,

928
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: I get it. Big fan cal Paul Alum, I like it.

929
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: Sacramento Guy Rockland also a huge Eagles fan. I love

930
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,439
Speaker 1: the interview with Howie. I was curious if you think

931
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: realistically going to take in the first round of the draft.

932
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: I know The most early mocks have the Eagles taken

933
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs, but after his forty at the combine, I'm

934
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: sure he won't be available. I got a quick hot

935
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: take Henry Ruggs goes in the top ten. Do you

936
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: think the Eagles will take the next best wide receiver

937
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: Justine Jefferson or best player available. Most mocks are showing Jefferson,

938
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: but a situation reminds me a lot of taking Nelson,

939
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: nagailor late in the first Yes, I think Jefferson is

940
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: a better player than Nelson, but I don't like the

941
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: idea of taking a fourth best wide receiver that early

942
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: when the draft is so deep at wide receiver. Maybe

943
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 1: they can get a middle linebacker, O line, D line.

944
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? Yeah, I think you can never

945
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: with them. Linebacker has to be an option. Maybe Kenneth

946
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: Murray from Oklahoma. They need more team speeded linebacker. They

947
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: have a million defensive line right MILLI Malik Jackson's coming back.

948
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 1: They just signed the guy from Pittsburgh Fletcher still there.

949
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: They have Derek Barnett their offensive line. They drafted the

950
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: kid from Washington State last year's taken over for Jason Peters.

951
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree with taking the fourth best wide

952
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: receiver in a draft, even if it's a deep wide

953
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: receiver draft, because if if it's a good wide receiver draft,

954
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: think about the draft it was Mike Evans draft. It

955
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: was like Mike Evans, Brandon Cooks, Odell Beckham Jr. I

956
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: think DeAndre Hopkins. That might have been the year before.

957
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: But they were like four or five really good wide

958
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 1: receivers in that draft, and the fourth guy like, that's fine.

959
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: Like if the fourth guy is good, the fourth guy

960
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: is good, and sometimes on your board, the fourth wide

961
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: receiver off the board is the second guy off your board.

962
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: But I would I would say historically the Eagles have

963
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: never taken a middle linebacker that high UH defensive line,

964
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 1: offensive line. They always believe in that, and wide receiver

965
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: they've had Jeremy Mack Whinn Nelson didn't was not that great,

966
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: Deshaun was an early second round pick. I just and

967
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: you asked, also, do you think there's any chance for

968
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: Joannick I I don't really think that's an option. We

969
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: got a lot of questions here, Jeez, Louise, Okay, this

970
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: might be the last one. We're almost a fifty minutes,

971
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: love the pod and for perfectly time to f bombs,

972
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: keeping me saying, while being stuck in the firehouse, with

973
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: the Niners being so close to winning at all, why

974
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: not just keep Buckner and tag and trade him next year.

975
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: I know they got great value for him and would

976
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 1: probably get less next year, but with all the injuries

977
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: we had, were eight minutes away from number six, why

978
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: not just let it roll short window we do have,

979
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: especially with the projected cap going up. Also, what are

980
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the Niners bringing in Sue saw it

981
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: against the run um Well, Sue, some of these are

982
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: old Sue obviously resigned with Tampa. I think the thing

983
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: is anytime you get a player on any on any

984
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: one of your teams, and I think Belichick's had a

985
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: good example of this, and you get to a position

986
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: you're like and Brandon Cook's probably bad because ample because

987
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: he traded him for a first round pick, But you

988
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: get a guy the Bucker was beloved, and he's a

989
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: really really good player. To me, he's like a B

990
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: plus a minus player. He's not an A A plus.

991
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: If Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald are a plus is

992
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: it's like Fletcher Cox's nay, he in his peak. Maybe

993
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: Fletcher's not anymore. He's not on that level. Chris Jones

994
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: probably an A A minus. He's a tick below Chris Jones.

995
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: But if you go, you know, I don't feel comfortable

996
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: giving this guy huge money and someone offers you pick thirteen,

997
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: I'm with you if the best option you could have

998
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: got was like pick eight, because you're like, well, I'm

999
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: not gonna get a player as good as the Force Buck.

1000
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: But if I get picked thirteen in a draft that's

1001
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: freaking loaded and three quarterbacks are gonna go on the

1002
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: top ten, Meaning if I'm at thirteen, I'm gonna get

1003
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: the tenth best non quarterback, and if Jordan Loves somehow

1004
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: goes in that area, I might get the ninth best

1005
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: non quarterback. I Also, you can always trade back off

1006
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: thirteam to like twenty, to gain like multiple second round picks.

1007
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: It gives you so many is they didn't have any picks,

1008
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: and one thing is gonna need is some cheap labor

1009
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: because next year they're gonna have to pay Fred Warner,

1010
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: probably extend Richard Sherman. Uh, they just paid Eric Armstead.

1011
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: They gotta pay George Kittle. They're gonna need to buy

1012
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: a couple of players in free agency. They already don't

1013
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: have that much cap space. I I think it was

1014
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: as simple as they just sometimes what did uh Don

1015
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: Corleone say, once upon our Vito corleons once something. I'm

1016
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: gonna make him an offer he can't refuse. You get it.

1017
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: You get offered the thirteenth pick, Like, how many non

1018
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: quarterbacks would you not trade for the pick? Kittle? Uh,

1019
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas, Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack. You start going around

1020
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: the league non quarterbacks, it's a short list, you know.

1021
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: If you told me trying to think of a good

1022
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,959
Speaker 1: player and a good team. Let's think of a team

1023
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: in the in the a f C Championship. Who's the

1024
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: Titans best player? You trade Derrick Henry in a heartbeat

1025
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: for pick thirteam? Uh? The Chief EEFs obviously wouldn't a

1026
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: non quarterback. They trade Kelsey pick at this point in

1027
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: time and Kelsey is years old. You can turn that now.

1028
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: Maybe just because they're in this window to try to

1029
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: win some Super Bowls. The Packers would they trade DeVante

1030
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: fort pick? Probably not any other players? Aius gone for

1031
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: pick and I love Zadarius Smith. But it's just the

1032
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: thirteenth pick is a very very powerful pick, and I

1033
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: think it would just make any team in the league

1034
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: for basically any one of their non quarterbacks beside maybe

1035
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: players in the league that would make you think about it.

1036
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Speaker 1: Appreciate everyone listening. Stay safe, stay inside, stay quarantined. Flatten

1037
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: the curve so we get back to life and keep

1038
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: your head up, enjoy life, enjoy the weekend, and uh

1039
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Speaker 1: stay safe. God bless