Speaker 1: Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats.
Speaker 2: Through making our podcast every fortnight for the past fourteen
Speaker 2: months or so. One of my favorite things about doing
Speaker 2: it has been the countless artists, albums, films, directors, places
Speaker 2: that it's turned me onto when we record these. Almost
Speaker 2: every time someone will mention something that afterwards I'll always
Speaker 2: go and check out. But I'd say my guest on
Speaker 2: this latest episode, toddler Ta takes that to another level.
Speaker 2: He's a music obsessive, as most of the people we
Speaker 2: have on here are, but the sheer breadth and depth
Speaker 2: of his knowledge is mind boggling. Plus the way he
Speaker 2: talks about it is really infectious. If toddler t isn't
Speaker 2: a name you know all too well, his story started
Speaker 2: back in Yorkshire. He wasn't even a teenager before he
Speaker 2: learned to DJ and mix, and by his late teens,
Speaker 2: still living at home in Sheffield working in a shoe shop.
Speaker 2: He got signed and moved down to London and today
Speaker 2: he's put out two solo records. His debut Skanky Skanky
Speaker 2: in two thousand and nine, and then watched Me Dance
Speaker 2: a couple of years later. He's also made a new
Speaker 2: one after a sort of gap of six or so years.
Speaker 2: This will be his third one and it's called Foreign
Speaker 2: Light and it comes out in July, and you might
Speaker 2: have heard the lead single, Beast, which features Steph London.
Speaker 2: But Toddler t definitely isn't just an album artist, though
Speaker 2: he lists a few in the podcasts you're about to hear,
Speaker 2: but he's been a producer and a collaborator with the
Speaker 2: likes of Roots Maneuver, Jmee, Wilie Jammer and Rasheeen Murphy
Speaker 2: over the years, loads of others as well. And outside
Speaker 2: of that, he's a broadcaster, hosting his own regular shows
Speaker 2: on Radio one and one Extra. He's also a DJ,
Speaker 2: which is pretty much taken into every corner of the
Speaker 2: world over the last decade or so.
Speaker 3: Now. I always roll.
Speaker 2: My eyes when I hear the word eclectic used in
Speaker 2: relation to music taste or knowledge, but Toddler Tea truly
Speaker 2: does have an eclectic taste. You'll discover that in this podcast,
Speaker 2: literally from the very beginnings of his love of US
Speaker 2: rap through to British hip hop, reggae, dubstep, electronica, everything
Speaker 2: in between. And outside of that, he's also encyclopedic on grime,
Speaker 2: having championed it from the very very early days, and
Speaker 2: he talks about that and where he thinks that's all
Speaker 2: heading next after Obviously, Grime's had a couple of years
Speaker 2: very much in the kind of spotlight in the mainstream,
Speaker 2: and he also has had first hand experience of visiting
Speaker 2: and recording in Jamaica, which means he really does know
Speaker 2: what he's talking about when it comes to Dan siland
Speaker 2: reggae music. And I thought that was really fascinating when
Speaker 2: he talks about that for this Midnight Chats. He invited
Speaker 2: me to his studio in West London a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago to record the conversation you're about to hear.
Speaker 2: The place is about one hundred meters from where he
Speaker 2: throws his annual sound system and his annual party at
Speaker 2: notting Hill Carnival each August, and I must admit I
Speaker 2: left thinking that I can't really be anywhere else this
Speaker 2: Bank holiday weekend in August.
Speaker 3: He really did sell it to me.
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Speaker 3: That kind of helpful stuff.
Speaker 2: But for now I will leave you with this. It's
Speaker 2: Toddler Tea on episode twenty eight of Midnight Chats. So
Speaker 2: Lea Tea, thanks for joining us on Midnight Chats. Normally
Speaker 2: we record this podcast in our little office in East London,
Speaker 2: but we kind of made a trip out today and
Speaker 2: just tell us a bit about where we are and
Speaker 2: what we can go and see around us.
Speaker 4: Right now in my studio in West London, I've been
Speaker 4: in this building for seven years now. I think it
Speaker 4: feels like twenty minutes, but that's what life's like at
Speaker 4: the minute. I used to share with them, the producer
Speaker 4: called red Light, and he used to have this room
Speaker 4: that was setting right now. And when we exit this room,
Speaker 4: there's a teeny little room to the right that's about
Speaker 4: the size of an average toilet. And I remember when
Speaker 4: we first moved in here, I was so proud to
Speaker 4: have a studio with a security door, proper lights and
Speaker 4: air conditioning because my first studio in Sheffield, where I
Speaker 4: grew up and learned my craft, was a space in
Speaker 4: a warehouse called Kenilworth Works, and it was thirty a month,
Speaker 4: and he's yeah, And it was so cold on a
Speaker 4: cold day that you could see your own breath because
Speaker 4: it was just a room with cracks in the wall.
Speaker 4: And above us was a rehearsal studio, and when they played,
Speaker 4: you couldn't really make music because it was so loud.
Speaker 4: And I remember coming to this particular unit and working
Speaker 4: next door with the producer called Sagety, and.
Speaker 3: Being like, Oh my god, imagine if one day I
Speaker 3: could have a studio like this.
Speaker 4: So when I managed to actually be able to fortunately
Speaker 4: be able to afford a space like this, even the
Speaker 4: little room next door felt like such a luxury. So
Speaker 4: I worked in that little room for sort of three years.
Speaker 4: Then Hugh Redlight moved out and I took the whole
Speaker 4: space on it's recording studio, stroke Boys room. All the
Speaker 4: stuff that my partner hasn't let me have in the
Speaker 4: house ends up here. Hence, while there's an inflatable parrot
Speaker 4: to my right, there are trainers that I really like
Speaker 4: that are just taking up room in the house. On
Speaker 4: the wall, there's some memorabilia. There's a lot of stuff
Speaker 4: from Carnival.
Speaker 2: Was going to say, I guess see some Worcester source
Speaker 2: over it or something like that.
Speaker 3: Whennish relish.
Speaker 4: There's a company in Scheffer called Henderson's and if you're
Speaker 4: from Sheffield or around it pretty much every time you
Speaker 4: go to a pub that is on the table with
Speaker 4: the other condiments. It's a very home pride. We actually
Speaker 4: did a collab with them, so we did tudder t
Speaker 4: Henderson's relish a few years ago.
Speaker 3: So for me that's a big moment.
Speaker 4: That's like, you know, I don't know, a vodka fan
Speaker 4: doing like a collab with you know, a Gray Goose,
Speaker 4: you know, Like for me, that was a deep moment anyway.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's just you know, obviously this music equipment,
Speaker 4: but obviously just a stash a lot of stuff here.
Speaker 4: There's a room there. I have my stage at night.
Speaker 4: Ill Carnival is about one hundred meters away, so a
Speaker 4: lot of the stuff makes it back here for stash
Speaker 4: and we bring it out carnival time. So yeah, it's great.
Speaker 4: It's my own space. I make music here, but I
Speaker 4: can work from here. I can dump the thick and
Speaker 4: have a laugh here. Had a session this weekend where
Speaker 4: we had a sort of mini party at the same time.
Speaker 3: It's a joy Man. I love it in here.
Speaker 4: It's I thought about moving a few times, but it's
Speaker 4: just too convenient and too good. I'd just been doing
Speaker 4: it for the sake. So yeah.
Speaker 2: Right behind your head is a poster for Skanky Skanky,
Speaker 2: which is your debut album, and it says twenty fifth
Speaker 2: of May two thousand and nine. That is pretty much
Speaker 2: bang on eight years ago. So what do you remember
Speaker 2: from that time?
Speaker 4: Shoes that's mid Well, these posters here, there's one right
Speaker 4: on the wall. As you mentioned, these were the promo
Speaker 4: posters that were slapped all around Sheffield and this record here,
Speaker 4: Skanky Kenky, my debut record, as you said, was a
Speaker 4: compilation and works of everything I've been doing I guess
Speaker 4: three four years prior to it, and it was very
Speaker 4: much a Sheffield thing. I was born and raised there.
Speaker 4: I made the majority of the record in there with
Speaker 4: another producer called Ross Autumn, who was an amazing producer
Speaker 4: from Sheffield. He's very, very punk spirited, so he was
Speaker 4: perfect in the time of my life to help me
Speaker 4: with that record because the sound of it was very raw, young,
Speaker 4: bit stupid, and I worked in his studio and that
Speaker 4: time in my life is kind of mad because I
Speaker 4: went from working in a shop selling trainers and clothes
Speaker 4: for four pounds an hour to slowly getting phone calls
Speaker 4: in the back of the stock room asking me to
Speaker 4: come to London and play, and I spit to do
Speaker 4: remixes and all this stuff, and overnight it felt like
Speaker 4: it all had happened. And it was actually quite overwhelming
Speaker 4: because even though I'd been making music for so long
Speaker 4: before that, I'd been DJing for since I was ten,
Speaker 4: so music was my life for most of my life.
Speaker 4: By the time it all got serious, it was just
Speaker 4: a bit mental. I was like, oh my gosh, Like
Speaker 4: I felt like I kind of had to be a
Speaker 4: man all of a sudden. I was living at home
Speaker 4: with mums. All of a sudden people were talking about
Speaker 4: a lot of money and you know, big meetings and
Speaker 4: all this stuff. So it was a mad, mad time
Speaker 4: because it was so much joy with the music and
Speaker 4: so much so much paying off of what I've been
Speaker 4: trying to achieve. But at the same time, it felt
Speaker 4: like I just had to step up straight away.
Speaker 3: It was kind of weird. It was like I went
Speaker 3: to university for three years in like twenty minutes. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it was a joy and that just set the foundation.
Speaker 4: As to where I am now, luckily, so very very
Speaker 4: important moment and record for me in my life.
Speaker 2: That one you just mentioned then that you started dging
Speaker 2: when you were ten years old, So when did you
Speaker 2: What was the circumstance where you stood behind a pair
Speaker 2: of decks for the first time and ten years old.
Speaker 4: I know it even seems weird to say now, but
Speaker 4: it's funny because my older sister was always well into
Speaker 4: music anyway, and obviously growing up on older brother or sister,
Speaker 4: you know, you look up too, so I think I
Speaker 4: always had that subconsciously in my mind that music was
Speaker 4: obviously something really cool or really aspirational. But I was
Speaker 4: just obsessed with hip hop when I got to about nine.
Speaker 4: Because when you're growing up, particularly them times, they're slightly
Speaker 4: different now, I guess with smartphones and stuff, you buy
Speaker 4: one or you get given one CD potentially a year,
Speaker 4: so it being like a now thirty eight or something
Speaker 4: batter that, and you know all the hit songs. And
Speaker 4: that was obviously my younger life. I got into random
Speaker 4: stuff like meat Loave. When I was about seven, me
Speaker 4: and my dad went to see him at Sheffield Arena,
Speaker 4: and you know, just stuff like that you just stumble
Speaker 4: across and you'd have that one tape and you batter it.
Speaker 4: But then when I got old enough to kind of
Speaker 4: find my own stuff, I just got obsessed with rap.
Speaker 3: And it was Westwood on Radio one.
Speaker 4: It was your MTV raps that you used to show
Speaker 4: for six hours at night twice a week on MTV
Speaker 4: and local pirate station called SCR, and I just sort
Speaker 4: of dived right in. My cousin showed me Biggie's first album.
Speaker 3: I just got obsessed. I thought it was everything was brilliant.
Speaker 4: Lyrics, beats, artwork, the fact that they swore it was
Speaker 4: all perfect. As I was watching MTV raps so much,
Speaker 4: there was always a DJ, I was like, I can
Speaker 4: be him.
Speaker 3: I can't be that rapper. It don't make sense. I'm
Speaker 3: from Sheffield and I'm small and pale and skinny, but
Speaker 3: I can beat the DJ.
Speaker 4: So I just got into that idea and started buying. Well, actually,
Speaker 4: my dad, bless him, brought me Malcolm McLaren pre Buffalo
Speaker 4: Girls Can Run You Sorry from a second hand shot,
Speaker 4: and that was my first record, I think Vinyl anyway,
Speaker 4: and then I just started going to town and collecting
Speaker 4: pocket money and buying records and eventually got two belt
Speaker 4: drive turntables that were Hi Fi ones, not pitched ones,
Speaker 4: and a mixer from Richard Sounds.
Speaker 3: And that was probably around ten to eleven.
Speaker 4: The needles kept breaking and stuff, and the mixer was terrible,
Speaker 4: but it just made me, you know, get the idea
Speaker 4: of putting records together and buying vinyl when I could
Speaker 4: afford it. So my record collection started, and by the
Speaker 4: time I got to fourteen fifteen and i'd.
Speaker 3: Proper saved, saved.
Speaker 4: I've managed to get proper turntables as such and could
Speaker 4: djn mix and start sketching and stuff. And that's the
Speaker 4: similar sort of time when I was invited to start
Speaker 4: playing out as well.
Speaker 3: So smart for.
Speaker 2: So many people when they're going up and kind of
Speaker 2: discovering music for the first time, it doesn't often come
Speaker 2: via the kind of like immediate family that it's like
Speaker 2: I remember, it's still kind of like an ongoing joke
Speaker 2: in my family now where if I if I go
Speaker 2: home and I put something on, my folks be like,
Speaker 2: what is this nonsense? Is this nice? Whereas it sounds
Speaker 2: like the opposite of for you know, like that early
Speaker 2: encouragement was like the absolutely springboard to basically doing what
Speaker 2: you're doing now.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: Definitely, they're like, they probably didn't like it, you know,
Speaker 4: be hearing yeah, hearing Biggie being shouted down the stairs
Speaker 4: like some pretty brutal skits on that album as well,
Speaker 4: you know, but they tolerated it, and there's there's no
Speaker 4: doubt about it. It's like they their support or even
Speaker 4: their kind of I don't even know if it was
Speaker 4: like conscious, but the fact that they allowed that to
Speaker 4: happen allowed me to be here. Definitely, I'm so blessed
Speaker 4: in that sense. And my dad's I'm my mom to
Speaker 4: be fair well into music, different stuff, so I think
Speaker 4: they probably got got that passion. They understood it more
Speaker 4: than someone that didn't like music or didn't really go
Speaker 4: to gigs or whatever.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's true. It's it's definitely true in that sense.
Speaker 4: My sister I didn't really get the music she was
Speaker 4: into until later in my life. She loved house music
Speaker 4: in the nineties and early nineties, and I just didn't
Speaker 4: get that for years. But it was still always on
Speaker 4: and you could hear the kick drums and rare air
Speaker 4: through the ceiling, so it was always about you know,
Speaker 4: my house was quite musically driven, even if people didn't
Speaker 4: play instruments or DJ. So yeah, but my parents one
Speaker 4: hundred percent. The support is definitely helped me be here.
Speaker 4: But it's like crucial really, yeah, blessed.
Speaker 2: And talk to me a bit about the kind of
Speaker 2: journey from leaving Sheffield. So when things kind of like
Speaker 2: started to get going for you, like you're saying, you
Speaker 2: were getting the the opportunities to come like play bigger
Speaker 2: DJ gigs and like, you know, people were kind of
Speaker 2: interested in having big meetings, where did the transition to
Speaker 2: coming down to London happen and what was what was
Speaker 2: that like, you know, growing up in Sheffield being surrounded
Speaker 2: by what is like an amazing music city, but then
Speaker 2: London's the whole bigger level, isn't it. So what was
Speaker 2: that like when you first arrived?
Speaker 3: Boy?
Speaker 4: I used to come to London anyway before, just as
Speaker 4: by records. I remember coming down with a school friend
Speaker 4: on buying final from everywhere from the HMV to Tower
Speaker 4: to mister Bongos and so, so it wasn't like the
Speaker 4: first time before that I'd come down with my mom
Speaker 4: to like the science music and stuff. Who were coming
Speaker 4: down as older and meeting music people and going to raves.
Speaker 4: It was just like it was just amazing because sheffields
Speaker 4: like you say, has got an incredible music, music scene
Speaker 4: history and a hub, but it's still quite small on
Speaker 4: the grand scheme of things, Whereas when I come to London,
Speaker 4: there so many people doing what I did. I the
Speaker 4: fashion element of London I loved. Other people were wearing
Speaker 4: stuff that I really liked and admired, and it was
Speaker 4: all different types of people. So it was like as
Speaker 4: a young man, it was super exciting. And I used
Speaker 4: to come down and there's a guy called Rathaun Dell
Speaker 4: who worked for ninety sixty five at the time, and
Speaker 4: he sent I sent him a demo you see, and
Speaker 4: he puts some all my early records out and again
Speaker 4: it's integral to where I'm sat here today. And I
Speaker 4: used to go and meet him and stay on his
Speaker 4: sofa in Forest Hill for probably three years, and he
Speaker 4: was very much.
Speaker 3: At the epicenter of what was going on.
Speaker 4: And he had an office in Soho with James Endercut
Speaker 4: and so at the time that's where all the labels were.
Speaker 4: So I'd get off the train and I'd get the
Speaker 4: tube and probably get lost to try and find him
Speaker 4: and go soho, and there's all these clothing trainer shops.
Speaker 4: Everyone was wearing all the new stuff. And then I'd
Speaker 4: go meet him and we end up in the pub
Speaker 4: with some like music producer or something, and it was
Speaker 4: just like it. It kind of weirdly felt like I
Speaker 4: was home with like a massive group of like people
Speaker 4: that were so similar to me in terms of the
Speaker 4: passion for the music and the artumn. And yeah, by
Speaker 4: the time I actually moved here, I was going home
Speaker 4: to get a pair of socks, like I That's one
Speaker 4: of the reasons I actually settled here, because it was
Speaker 4: getting ridiculous how little I was at home. It wasn't
Speaker 4: like a big conscious decision like I'm going to move
Speaker 4: to London and make it in the music bese. It
Speaker 4: was like, if I don't move he or not, I'm
Speaker 4: going to probably waste so much money on train free
Speaker 4: and it's just inconvenient for everyone. So it was like
Speaker 4: a slow process to actually being based here.
Speaker 2: Once you got into this, into your studio. You mentioned
Speaker 2: at the top that you've been in here for like
Speaker 2: six seven years now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think even maybe longer.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Yeah, What have been some of your favorite days,
Speaker 2: favorite nights, favorite kind of sessions in this room in particular, There's.
Speaker 3: Been so many, so many good times. I mean, I'm biased.
Speaker 4: I love this space, but people always say it's got
Speaker 4: a spirit to it and people always delivering here, which
Speaker 4: is bizarre because in studios sometimes people just can't catch
Speaker 4: a vibe whatever. I don't think I've ever had a
Speaker 4: bum session in this room, which is bizarre because everyone
Speaker 4: has an off day, but obviously I'll be sat here
Speaker 4: some days and it's not happening, but with artists and collaborations, don't.
Speaker 4: I literally haven't had a dead session in here, which
Speaker 4: is kind of bizarre. I think people like the fact
Speaker 4: it don't feel like a studio. It is a studio look,
Speaker 4: but it's more like just a bit of a messy
Speaker 4: room with some speakers and loads of stuff in it,
Speaker 4: and I think that helps to the vibe.
Speaker 3: But there's been loads, man.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've done sessions in here with Jamie Skepta,
Speaker 4: Miss Dynamite, Jamaican artists like prote Jay sons of dub
Speaker 4: Coco's artists from Sheffield, Me and him developed his whole
Speaker 4: sounding here. I've had a lot of after parties in
Speaker 4: here one this weekend. That's why it sounds a bit fragrant.
Speaker 4: I mean, boy, and the room next door is the
Speaker 4: old room is now the Vocal Boost that's where everyone
Speaker 4: voice is now, and again before that a similar thing.
Speaker 4: There's been so many, mane, It's like it's because I
Speaker 4: used to work, start work about two or three and
Speaker 4: go till midnight, and now I start at nine in
Speaker 4: morning and finish at seven because I've got two kids,
Speaker 4: and I encourage artists to come down really early, which
Speaker 4: you see some sleepy eyes, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which they don't.
Speaker 4: I'm not all of them, but you know, it's particularly
Speaker 4: young and I want to have been here at nine
Speaker 4: at morning. I didn't when I was twenty two. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I've done here like from early, and people always deliver,
Speaker 4: and it's been a joy. And there's too there's too
Speaker 4: many moments. Really, there's nothing like bonkers that's ever happened.
Speaker 4: No one's ever set anything on fire or fell.
Speaker 3: Asleep mid take.
Speaker 4: But it's just been a very consistent and joyful musical
Speaker 4: moments in this room that just seemed to flow supernatural.
Speaker 4: And I think it's something of this it's a weird
Speaker 4: spirit in this room, and people kind of say it
Speaker 4: as well. I actually lend this room out to friends
Speaker 4: sometimes as well, and they always say the same something
Speaker 4: about your studio, man, studios.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you.
Speaker 4: Actually recently, I actually did some additional production on this
Speaker 4: record called Crank It, which is by George Kowally and Kiddeko.
Speaker 3: It's a massive kind of pop dance record.
Speaker 4: It was big in the club for Ages, and Ministry
Speaker 4: of Sound came to me to help make it into
Speaker 4: more of a radio record. So we took the beat
Speaker 4: and we vocal Naddie Rose and sweet Ire in here,
Speaker 4: and then they went and we arranged it and mixed
Speaker 4: it and it went and then.
Speaker 3: I thought cool.
Speaker 4: And then it went to radio and it started to
Speaker 4: do really well, and it were funny because I kept
Speaker 4: getting a taxi home and hearing it on the way
Speaker 4: home and in.
Speaker 3: Like Capital Lextra or Kiss.
Speaker 4: Like really mainstream stations. And it's funny because when you
Speaker 4: come out the room here onto the high street of
Speaker 4: the road, sorry, it's empty, it's dead, And when you
Speaker 4: get in the cabin hear that record. It's just weird
Speaker 4: because I just don't think you'd expect it to come
Speaker 4: out of this room or this building. So that's the
Speaker 4: latest thing that's been quite funny to sort of see
Speaker 4: when I'm getting like a taxi home for hearing a
Speaker 4: record on one of the most mainstream stations in the
Speaker 4: most out of context place.
Speaker 2: So let's still get a bit of a buzz out
Speaker 2: of little things like that. Well not even little things,
Speaker 2: they're kind of quite significant.
Speaker 3: In a way. Yeah, yeah, no, I do, Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4: It's funny and knowing that coming out of this room
Speaker 4: and my microphone and through this you know, messy room.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Jamie and Skepta there, Like I mean, when
Speaker 2: did you you've You've championed, you supported the development of
Speaker 2: UK crime for a long time. The fact that kind
Speaker 2: of now is arguably having its kind of mainstream moment.
Speaker 2: When did you first fall in love with UK crime?
Speaker 2: Is that a sound that you've always loved? And what
Speaker 2: do you think of kind of where it's at right now,
Speaker 2: Like where we've got to the point where Boy Better
Speaker 2: No can play the two Arena put on their own
Speaker 2: festival there and they can and Skeptic and headline festivals
Speaker 2: and things like that. So talk to me a bit
Speaker 2: about your love for UK grime and your feelings on
Speaker 2: where you see it now.
Speaker 4: Well, obviously, being obsessed with hip hop and rap as
Speaker 4: a kid, was always buy a lot of American rap,
Speaker 4: majority British hip hop was around. I I would see that,
Speaker 4: I'd see the odd video on MTV wraps.
Speaker 3: Roots Maneuver was always a stick out artists.
Speaker 4: I think he was one of the early ones that
Speaker 4: had kind of had videos on Telly at the time,
Speaker 4: So in for that you discovered deeper buying records.
Speaker 3: There was there was a.
Speaker 4: British rap scene, Black Twang, Test Force, Jest, et cetera.
Speaker 4: We was buying those records stuff and a lot of
Speaker 4: that stuff was really well crafted, but it was so
Speaker 4: influenced by America.
Speaker 3: It was like we were doing what they were doing
Speaker 3: really well.
Speaker 4: And that's not disrespect to any of them artists, because
Speaker 4: the really good at it. But what happened when grime
Speaker 4: came around was it was just so underdiably us and
Speaker 4: his first time I heard it. A lot of it
Speaker 4: mates into garage growing up, and I didn't really like
Speaker 4: it that much because I was such a hip hop nerd.
Speaker 4: I thought that MC's were rubbish because they weren't saying anything.
Speaker 4: It was for the rave and I was too young
Speaker 4: to be in a race, so I just didn't get it.
Speaker 4: They were champagne girls. I was like, I just didn't
Speaker 4: get it. And then when it got darker and a
Speaker 4: lot of my friends would buy sign Werender tape packs
Speaker 4: and Side Wonder was raving in Milton Keynes.
Speaker 3: That was garage and then.
Speaker 4: Got into dark Ground and dark grind became grime and
Speaker 4: the darker garage sound the turn into gram I actually
Speaker 4: became more popular in garage, so it became the main
Speaker 4: thing at these events and anyway, they would play these
Speaker 4: tapes in the car when I was with them, and
Speaker 4: then I proper got it. I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: there's there's some famous sessions. There's a real famous one
Speaker 4: with Dizzy and Wiley with the DJ Slimsey and the
Speaker 4: way that what they're talking about is so British and
Speaker 4: honest and the beach were so much darker and heavier
Speaker 4: and mental than UK garage was I when I heard
Speaker 4: I Love You, it just slapped me around the face,
Speaker 4: like just it was just I still remember hearing it,
Speaker 4: like it was just like properly got that vibe then,
Speaker 4: and so that's when I sort of start discovering grime
Speaker 4: and getting deeper into it. And it was such a
Speaker 4: London thing though in Sheffield we didn't have DJs or MC's,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And it were funny because
Speaker 4: I was obsessed with British rap, so I was. I
Speaker 4: was into British American rap, and by the time I
Speaker 4: was also getting quite into dantile and reggae as well,
Speaker 4: because I was old enough to start going to little
Speaker 4: parties and hearing it loud and it made more sense
Speaker 4: on a sound.
Speaker 3: System and in a party environment. And uh yeah.
Speaker 4: So I used to look at America and Jamaica and
Speaker 4: now I was looking at London as on the same
Speaker 4: pedestal as you know, like Wiley and Dis were to
Speaker 4: me as impressive, as exotic and as exciting and famous
Speaker 4: as jay Z or ViBe's cartel.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 4: We became so obsessed with this scene down in London
Speaker 4: as it developed, and they may started going from the
Speaker 4: sets from raves and on pilot radio and making records.
Speaker 4: A lot of the time it would be the sidewind
Speaker 4: the tapes. The lord of the mic.
Speaker 3: DVDs was DVDs.
Speaker 4: That were clash, so it was like battles of grime mcs.
Speaker 4: That's the first time I got to see them, and
Speaker 4: they talk called Lord of the Decks, which was the
Speaker 4: same as well. And then there was Practicers, et cetera,
Speaker 4: all these different DVDs that document them, and yeah, they'd
Speaker 4: come up the m one and to people like me,
Speaker 4: I would obsess over them.
Speaker 3: And yeah.
Speaker 4: Then one extra sort of launched not too far after,
Speaker 4: and they pushed it with Richie Viv cameo, all these
Speaker 4: guys playing it, and I just got obsessed. I was
Speaker 4: buying the vinyl, I was watching all the DVDs. And
Speaker 4: then when I came to London a few times, I
Speaker 4: got to see some of these artists and like I.
Speaker 3: Say, I was impressed.
Speaker 4: I'd be star struck by these people as much as
Speaker 4: I would have if I had a bumped into Biggie,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: And it was truly British.
Speaker 4: And it was truly ours and it still is and
Speaker 4: it just sums up a time in Britain that was
Speaker 4: very special Musically. I think my generation me I'm thirty
Speaker 4: two now, so I'm older than a lot of people
Speaker 4: in what I do now, But in my generation I've
Speaker 4: never stumbled across a scene as exciting as that time.
Speaker 4: I wasn't around really when jungle was kicked off. I
Speaker 4: remember going to a youth club and nearing it. I wasn't
Speaker 4: you know. Acid house was long before me. The British
Speaker 4: rap thing was cool, but it wasn't as cultural as great.
Speaker 4: When grime came along, it was just it was I've
Speaker 4: never seen anything like it culturally. Dubstep was born out
Speaker 4: of grime, so again it was kind of lending from that,
Speaker 4: but grime was just so pure and yeah, I just
Speaker 4: loved it, and it kind of like it kind of
Speaker 4: had a real buzz at the start and dizzy went
Speaker 4: the Mercury and rare area, and then it kind of
Speaker 4: died down and a lot of people kind of stopped
Speaker 4: doing it, but I was still well into it.
Speaker 3: I was still playing on the radio and that. And
Speaker 3: then again, like we say, in the.
Speaker 4: Last three or four years, it's kind of come back round,
Speaker 4: and I think it's partly because a few accidents happened
Speaker 4: and it reignited the flame and made people believe they
Speaker 4: could do that and be accepted again. And Jami that's Jamie,
Speaker 4: and skeptics that's not me. For me, that record kind
Speaker 4: of reignited the flame because it was the original grime
Speaker 4: sound from two pioneers that everybody rates doing hardcore authentic grime.
Speaker 3: And on top of that, I think it charted top.
Speaker 4: Twenty and you know what, Skip He's done now, and
Speaker 4: I think that just reignited the flame. And I just
Speaker 4: think it's great because it's just so people being It's
Speaker 4: almost like the more hardcore you are, the further you go.
Speaker 4: Whereas there was a time when people started making pop
Speaker 4: records and watering down their sound and bleaching out because
Speaker 4: they felt like that's what they needed to do to
Speaker 4: survive in the music industry. And it kind of opposite that. Recently,
Speaker 4: it's kind of like the more pure and honest you are,
Speaker 4: the further you go. And that's really inspiring and aspirational
Speaker 4: for youngins. I mean, look what Skeptic Storms has done
Speaker 4: as well. It's unbelievable, like you know, and he really
Speaker 4: really is just itself on really quite uncompromising production.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's mad.
Speaker 4: Who would have thought that this old two thing you
Speaker 4: mentioned would even ever happen, Like it's incredible. I think
Speaker 4: they're doing it like a full day of experiences as well, aren't.
Speaker 2: They It's going to be like a full event with
Speaker 2: kind of other things going on outside of what's happening
Speaker 2: on stage.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they'd be like, I don't know, like cooking or
Speaker 4: I don't know that food, probably workshops, fashion culture stuff,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: With Jmi.
Speaker 2: Even just this week, Jami recorded that videos with Jeremy Corby. Yeah,
Speaker 2: kind of urging people young people, you know, the reason
Speaker 2: why they should register get involved with the upcoming general elections.
Speaker 2: So it's it's encouraging. It's got to be a positive
Speaker 2: thing that people like Jamie are making that step, putting
Speaker 2: themselves out there willing to be the kind of like
Speaker 2: face of urging young people to you know, to get
Speaker 2: involved in discussion, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it takes everything else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's I've always loved Jeremy his proper hero mine
Speaker 4: because he's so uncompromising and honest and it's so brilliant
Speaker 4: what he does.
Speaker 3: Musically.
Speaker 4: But out of that, he's like he doesn't He genuinely
Speaker 4: just seems to be so comfortable in his own skin,
Speaker 4: and it's just so I think we all want that
Speaker 4: in life. But he's, like he was, he does things
Speaker 4: that he wants to do that unconventionally not cool. So
Speaker 4: like he the veganism thing. When he decided to turn vegan,
Speaker 4: it was the most out of fashion thing ever, Like
Speaker 4: what I was talking about chicken shops and meat and
Speaker 4: it was like kind of soft traditionally, and like look
Speaker 4: at where veganism is now, like it's the most ether.
Speaker 4: Even like he's obsessed him with technology, he's always step
Speaker 4: forward from even like tech is. You know, he's into
Speaker 4: like rollerblading and gaming and all this stuff that he's
Speaker 4: like on paper isn't cool, but because he just wants
Speaker 4: to do it and he's into it, he does it.
Speaker 4: And I just think that's just amazing because not many
Speaker 4: people dare, you know, put their self out like that.
Speaker 4: On top of that, he's like he's so so so
Speaker 4: talented on the mic and what he says is just
Speaker 4: so real. And I think that's why everyone loves Jeremy,
Speaker 4: from people like me to young kids to like probably
Speaker 4: people older than me. And I think it's brilliant how
Speaker 4: he's embraced politics this year and regardless of who you're
Speaker 4: looking to vote for or what you believe in him,
Speaker 4: just basically you.
Speaker 3: Know, putting it out there that you need.
Speaker 4: To vote as a young person, and also explaining to
Speaker 4: Corbyn why he hasn't as a conversation I've never seen
Speaker 4: before really and it's I think that's the way you
Speaker 4: reach you. Some garon Telly who has no you know,
Speaker 4: no connection to a young person in London ain't gonna
Speaker 4: be able to achieve that.
Speaker 3: Someone like Jamie will.
Speaker 4: And the fact he's done that makes me love him
Speaker 4: even more, which I didn't know as possible because I
Speaker 4: just think he's the best human being in the whole globe.
Speaker 3: Which it's great.
Speaker 2: What's next? Then? What's next? We just discussed that Jamie
Speaker 2: skeptics Storms, All these people are on such a high level. Now,
Speaker 2: where do you see the next movement for the sort
Speaker 2: of underground grind? Will that give like the whole thing
Speaker 2: like a shot in the arm. Does that mean that
Speaker 2: it's going to be around for another ten to fifteen
Speaker 2: years because of what these people are achieving, which I
Speaker 2: think will happen next. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean it's interesting, isn't it with ground because you see,
Speaker 4: like people like Storms and novelists, they're super young man.
Speaker 4: I don't know, our Storms are about twenty.
Speaker 3: Two or so something that Yeah, I think it's yeah, it's.
Speaker 4: Mantled in it because I'm thirty two and he makes
Speaker 4: me feel like a child because he's so like switched
Speaker 4: on and so smart and so confident and even physically
Speaker 4: like he looks like just really healthy and amazing.
Speaker 3: And just he's just he's just incredible in his storms.
Speaker 4: But I think they probably because there's like so they're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: all right, so when like I Love you or something
Speaker 4: come out, he was probably about that's probably about how
Speaker 4: is that record fifteen years maybe?
Speaker 3: I mean he's barely five years old, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: So these guys grew up listening to grime, like you know,
Speaker 4: and people in the States grow up listening to hip
Speaker 4: hop like people's parents will be playing that now, like
Speaker 4: you know. So there's going to be a generation that
Speaker 4: is just born into this thing now, which means that
Speaker 4: it's just so natural now it's like that could I
Speaker 4: think that that can only influence the next generation, even
Speaker 4: if it's not in a sense of it being grime
Speaker 4: as we know it now.
Speaker 3: I think ultimately the younger generations of the new.
Speaker 4: Generations will be inspired by it and potentially create their
Speaker 4: own version of it, you know, Like we don't want
Speaker 4: to make or play what our parents want to but
Speaker 4: it influences us.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if it.
Speaker 4: Will stay at you know, is how it is now
Speaker 4: for the next ten to fifteen years, but I'm sure
Speaker 4: and I'm pretty sure it's integral to our musical scene
Speaker 4: and culture now that it will ring through the next
Speaker 4: couple of generations, like you know reggae does for in
Speaker 4: Jamaica or Salca would doing you know, certain places whatever
Speaker 4: you know. In Jamaica, for example, the Young Raster movement
Speaker 4: references their elders, but it's got hip hop influence in there.
Speaker 4: It's got you know that what they talk about isn't
Speaker 4: the same. They dress different, so maybe it'd be a
Speaker 4: case of something like that. But it's cool because like
Speaker 4: now in London as well, there's there's scenes that are
Speaker 4: referencing already, like this whole thing. They'll called it Afro swing,
Speaker 4: which is like Coojo Fund's Jay huss artists like that.
Speaker 4: They young kids in London of African descent, a lot
Speaker 4: of them, not all of them making this music at
Speaker 4: a slower tempo, but it's referencing grime and reggae and
Speaker 4: wrap and it's a melting part. It sounds really exciting,
Speaker 4: and I don't think that could probably have happened without
Speaker 4: Grind for example. So you're going to get you know,
Speaker 4: these things spawning out of it as well, and it's
Speaker 4: alreadys beginning with this whole new movement now with this
Speaker 4: for a swing they're calling it, which is a really
Speaker 4: exciting little time.
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask about your travels because anybody that's
Speaker 2: ever listened to any of the albums that you made,
Speaker 2: the records you made, helped produce, your radio shows that
Speaker 2: you've done over the years, know that you've got kind
Speaker 2: of wide scope. You're a massive fan of reggae, you
Speaker 2: love grime. You know if they tune in their dubstep,
Speaker 2: they heard all these different things. So you seem to
Speaker 2: me like somebody who's always kind of got their ears open.
Speaker 2: But you must have kind of like gone on some
Speaker 2: trips to go and like really kind of like open
Speaker 2: your mind, discover some music. Tell us about some of
Speaker 2: the places you've been in, particularly mentioned Jamaica.
Speaker 3: They're like, what have your.
Speaker 2: Travels been like and what kind of things have you
Speaker 2: had your eyes open.
Speaker 4: To boa I mean food DJ and I've been lucky
Speaker 4: enough to go every well not everywhere, but America, load Australia, Japan, Europe, Iceland,
Speaker 4: all these places. Before I started DJing, I'd never even
Speaker 4: been to Scotland. I've been looking enough to travel on
Speaker 4: holiday to Europe, and I've been to America's stuff, but
Speaker 4: i'd never really like traveled on my own accords, so
Speaker 4: like it'd be like on all the day or school trips. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I remember going Dundee early days, like being like
Speaker 4: whoa Scotland, But yeah, I've been all over the gas.
Speaker 4: Jamaica is very important to me musically and thus for culturally.
Speaker 4: But when I was growing up, like I said, I
Speaker 4: was obsessed with rap music and hip hop music. When
Speaker 4: I started going out, i'd hear a lot of dance
Speaker 4: tile and reggae in the parties, and there was a
Speaker 4: couple of DJs back home, Winston Azel and DJ Pipes
Speaker 4: would always dropped reggae and Dan Saile at some point
Speaker 4: in the night on these big sound systems, and it
Speaker 4: was sounded amazing. It was as simple as that, And
Speaker 4: I started buying Dan Sound reggae records, and then I
Speaker 4: noticed how much it was in our music jungle obviously
Speaker 4: really grind bits still grind, but yeah, you know, the
Speaker 4: mad electronic music we make. I could hear it in
Speaker 4: so much of what we do here, and that was
Speaker 4: important for me to, I guess, get more into the
Speaker 4: source of it, so I will be buying records. There's
Speaker 4: a shopping Sheffield called Fox's News off the High Street,
Speaker 4: London Road.
Speaker 3: It's claused and it sold.
Speaker 4: DVDs a lot of bangroom music like and underneath the
Speaker 4: County you'd have imports from Jamaica and you go in
Speaker 4: there and it was cool because the forty five to
Speaker 4: seven inches were two pounds fifty, but a hip hop
Speaker 4: twelve from the stage was seven pound, so I could
Speaker 4: buy three for one, and so it was kind of
Speaker 4: cool because he's like gonna get like a He's like
Speaker 4: buying a ten p mix over like a chocolate box.
Speaker 4: You get loads more, and so it was sick and
Speaker 4: I was just just just going in on that. And
Speaker 4: then I met a guy called Seas who is an
Speaker 4: artist that I worked with a lot by a mutual friend,
Speaker 4: and he really schooled me up on Dan siland the
Speaker 4: culture and lent me a lot of VHS tapes of
Speaker 4: old stage shows from Jamaica of course Sting, which is
Speaker 4: like the big that like the Glastonburg and Jamaica, and
Speaker 4: he scored me up massively on.
Speaker 3: It all, and I just got well into it.
Speaker 4: This was when I was like sixteen and just find
Speaker 4: it really exciting because I felt like I kind of
Speaker 4: not I'd studied hip hop so much for my teens.
Speaker 4: I was ready for a new thing to kind of
Speaker 4: geek out into, and Dan style really reminded me of
Speaker 4: rap anyway, but it was like obviously done so differently,
Speaker 4: and I'm just like, yeah, I still still to this day,
Speaker 4: you know, love and play it and keep on top
Speaker 4: of it. And I quite like the pantomime of it
Speaker 4: as well. There's so much like beef and on records
Speaker 4: and so much scandal and rare are air and it
Speaker 4: feels like it's fun at times and that sounds quite menacing,
Speaker 4: but it's a lot of the time it's quite fun.
Speaker 4: So yeah, when I was about, oh, I can't remember,
Speaker 4: about five years ago, six years ago, when I'm a
Speaker 4: very good friend was going to Jamaica on holiday with
Speaker 4: his girlfriend and then all the inclusive, flussy posh place
Speaker 4: in the Grill, which is like the tourist area traditionally
Speaker 4: of Jamaica, and then he split with her and I
Speaker 4: was like, rah, I've got to go with you, you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: So I bought step Yeah, man, I'm gonna be your
Speaker 4: girlfriend this week.
Speaker 3: Now joke runs and it's there like So I bought
Speaker 3: the ticket and we went.
Speaker 4: But I said, you know, I can't go Jamaica and
Speaker 4: not do music, because it's just big bonkers to not
Speaker 4: do that. And this is the around the time I
Speaker 4: was making my second records called Watching Me Dance. So
Speaker 4: I went, I bought a ticket and we decided to
Speaker 4: this for go to the Grill and then go to
Speaker 4: Kingston and do some music. So via a few mutual
Speaker 4: link ups, we got someone out there to help us.
Speaker 4: But obviously Jamaica and music and the four culture is
Speaker 4: integrated into British society a lot of the time. For example,
Speaker 4: like you hear in all the records this South systems
Speaker 4: I used to play in Sheffield were always operated by
Speaker 4: Western Nickimunity. We'd go to certain raves that were I
Speaker 4: was prominently West Indian music and just for party goers
Speaker 4: managed door neighbors to Jamaica and I could hear going up,
Speaker 4: I could hear the music over the wall. There's a
Speaker 4: Jamaican food shop around the corner. We all got the
Speaker 4: slang et cetera, et cetera. So you feel like you
Speaker 4: know it a bit. But when I went Jamaica for
Speaker 4: the first time, when I stepped off that flight and
Speaker 4: that curtyred has slapped me around the faceboy like like
Speaker 4: I thought I knew it, and I just didn't, because is.
Speaker 2: It just that much more intense?
Speaker 4: Rule? Yeah, both everything, it's yeah, it's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 4: just more it's more raw, that's the way putting it.
Speaker 4: But like it's I just didn't. I was such I
Speaker 4: went there. I was such a musical pilgrimage. I didn't
Speaker 4: think of basic stuff like the heat or mosquitoes or
Speaker 4: the fact that it's beautiful, and all these things just
Speaker 4: hit me.
Speaker 3: I was like, flipping it.
Speaker 4: This is mid And we went to this hotel for
Speaker 4: a few days and even that's felt a bit like
Speaker 4: out there. And then we went basically, we got hooked
Speaker 4: up by this woman called Andrew, who would take care
Speaker 4: of us once we got to Kingston and drivers to
Speaker 4: studios and whatnot.
Speaker 3: And she hooked up her a trip from the hotel
Speaker 3: to mobile airport and then we went to Kingston and
Speaker 3: Kingston was just the next level culture.
Speaker 4: Got off, drove through the city past the prison downtown
Speaker 4: which is kind of poor area Kingston round the back
Speaker 4: to the studio called Builders, and voiced and recorded for
Speaker 4: two days. And I got there and I was nervous
Speaker 4: about if people would set my music or understand it
Speaker 4: or like it or whatever. And I got in the
Speaker 4: studio and there was an engineer, it was called DAYA
Speaker 4: and I put the first beat on and I was
Speaker 4: super nervous. And there was a girl there called double
Speaker 4: K who was like a DJMC, and she heard it
Speaker 4: and went in the booth and gave me a song
Speaker 4: and it was like That's what I've been trying to
Speaker 4: get for so.
Speaker 3: Long, Like that is it? Wow?
Speaker 4: And it was like two days of complete joy. Everyone
Speaker 4: was amazing. Everyone was well into the music. And that
Speaker 4: was like I think I've been some mental like fourteen
Speaker 4: times since because I've been recording. I've been there with
Speaker 4: one extra a lot doing radio. I've played there, going
Speaker 4: again on Saturday to play, and I've got a lot
Speaker 4: of really good friends out there now. I've had some
Speaker 4: moments I've never forgot. I've met so many heroes. I've
Speaker 4: worked with so many heroes, and it's kind of like
Speaker 4: a second home. And this week when we go again,
Speaker 4: I'll get off and I'm meeting loads of friends and
Speaker 4: we're gonna hang out and I'm playing on a beach
Speaker 4: and I'm I'm going to go to a studio and
Speaker 4: it's just a joe.
Speaker 2: That sounds awful, isn't it. About one hundred meters from
Speaker 2: here you mentioned it earlier. About one hundred meters from
Speaker 2: here is where you set up for Carnival each and
Speaker 2: holiday weekends. You've always been a massive supporter, always been
Speaker 2: involved with notting Hill Carnival, which happens on the bank
Speaker 2: all day weekend. If anybody is listening that has never
Speaker 2: been before, just tell us what is so special and
Speaker 2: one you basically wouldn't be anywhere else in the world
Speaker 2: that weekend.
Speaker 4: I literally couldn't be anywhere else in the anywhere else
Speaker 4: my favorite party in the world. Okay, So I've been
Speaker 4: coming down to Carnival since I think two thousand and six.
Speaker 4: I used to get the train from Sheffield and the
Speaker 4: first time I ever come, I got the train down
Speaker 4: and I got off at Westbourne Park and I think.
Speaker 3: It was park. And then I walked down and I
Speaker 3: came under.
Speaker 4: The West Way and I have never seen so many
Speaker 4: people rammed into a street in my life. And I
Speaker 4: had my record box I was playing and I was
Speaker 4: just dragging up the road and it were funny because.
Speaker 3: I just like didn't really get how big it was.
Speaker 4: And I'd heard about Carnival because people from back home
Speaker 4: used to come down every year. But what I loved
Speaker 4: about it from the day I got there was not
Speaker 4: only the fact that everyone's partying together, which is where
Speaker 4: you don't even a single rubbish record all day and
Speaker 4: you know how many.
Speaker 3: Music you hear.
Speaker 4: I mean, that was the first time I came, and
Speaker 4: that blew my mind off. I mean, for me, Carnival
Speaker 4: sums up everything brilliant about Britain. It is rooted in
Speaker 4: West Indian culture. It's initially actually started by a woman
Speaker 4: and she called it not an ill festival and she
Speaker 4: had a dream one day she saw kids in the
Speaker 4: street dancing together from all different walks of life. She
Speaker 4: decided to set it up and that's what happened.
Speaker 3: And then one time.
Speaker 4: The Trinity community got their steel pans out started doing
Speaker 4: parades and it developed and then sound systems would introduce later.
Speaker 4: And it's the sound system element that always attracted me
Speaker 4: because I'm such a music guy. When I was coming
Speaker 4: to Carnival, the sound systems in the street playing all
Speaker 4: different types of music. So we've got a lot of
Speaker 4: Soca Calypso, dub music, a lot of West Indian music,
Speaker 4: but then you've got a lot of the children of
Speaker 4: that jungle, grime, hip hop, soul, all these different sounds
Speaker 4: coming all around and thus far you've got old people,
Speaker 4: young people, black people, white people, Asian people, gay people,
Speaker 4: straight people. It's the only place in the world that
Speaker 4: my dad has stood next to like a Brazilian woman
Speaker 4: dancing next to a young black kid, next to me,
Speaker 4: next to my auntie, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean. Like it genuinely does bring people together.
Speaker 4: Whereas clubs and festivals have a price bracket, they have
Speaker 4: certain rules in terms of dress, they have there's you know,
Speaker 4: there's there's a lot of restrictions. But what happens when
Speaker 4: not in ill is everyone comes together and raves in
Speaker 4: the street to brilliant music. And it's completely unique to
Speaker 4: London and I think it's so important to this city
Speaker 4: to have that once here to remind us that we
Speaker 4: all live together, and we're all come from different places,
Speaker 4: but we're all living London. We all get on the
Speaker 4: same crap tube every day, we all you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, and we come together on that day and
Speaker 4: you've never seen it like that anywhere else any of
Speaker 4: the time, and just trouble like yourself in those parts
Speaker 4: of view. It's just a right good party.
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