1 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Hey, Daniel, if aliens arrived to our solar system, do 2 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: you think they would know that we were here on 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: Earth before they landed? Like, could they tell from far away? Well, 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. You think they're broadcasting episodes of our podcast. 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: Maybe they'd hear one. I'm not sure they would conclude 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: that we're that intelligent if they got this podcast, but well, 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 1: they'd hear that we love asking questions. I don't know. 8 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: I guess if they know they can't close enough to 9 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: Earth to see the surface but not see people, they 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: could probably see all sorts of weird geometric structures, you know, 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: circles from farming and cities and grids and stuff that 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: you just don't see in nature, like straight lines and 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: squares and perfect circles. Yeah, the kind of stuff you 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: don't see like coming naturally out of a forest or 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: some totally wild environment, like like a holiday in from 16 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: above exactly, Well, you don't see spontaneous holiday inns farming 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: in jungles. Right. Hi. I'm Morey. I'm a cartoonist and 18 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: the creator of PhD Comics. And I'm Daniel. I'm a 19 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: particle physicist, and I like asking questions about the universe. 20 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: Wondering about weird stuff and planning to collaborate with other 21 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 1: species against the for the downfall of humanity. And that's 22 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: perfect because I like drawing aliens and question marks. That's right. 23 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: That's why we make such a great team. Exactly. I 24 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: commit the crimes and you draw them, but I make 25 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: them funny and with sound effects. That's right. At my 26 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: trial for treason against humanity, I want you to be 27 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: the sort of court reporter that's drawing me sympathetically. Oh yeah, 28 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: I'll be there. I'll be drawing the mental map of 29 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: your guilty argumentation. But before that, you can see a 30 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: sample of our work because we wrote a book together 31 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: about questions about the universe. It's called We Have No Idea, 32 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: A Guide to the Unknown Universe. Yeah. It's full of awesome, 33 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: interesting questions about the universe and also cartoons, so check 34 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: it out. That's right. But today you're listening to our podcast, 35 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: Daniel and Jorge Explain the Universe, a production of I 36 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. That's right, And here's where we sit down 37 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: and chew on one particular question. Every episode, we try 38 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: to find something weird, something strange, something that you'd like 39 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: to hear discussed in more depth than you can just 40 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: google and break it down for you. Yeah, all kinds 41 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: of weird things out there in the universe and other 42 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: planets in the smallest of scales, things that are circular, square, spinning, 43 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: maybe even hexagonal. That's right. We like all kinds of questions, 44 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: two sided, four sided, even six sided questions. So today 45 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: on the podcast, we'll be talking about a pretty interesting 46 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: mystery right here in our solar system. I think even 47 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: pretty interesting is under selling it. I think it's flabbergasting. 48 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: When I first heard about this, I thought, whoa, that's 49 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: probably aliens. You were flabbergasted, That's right. All of my 50 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: flabbers were totally gasted by this concept. I don't even 51 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: know what that means, but it sounds like you're amazed. 52 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm trying to reduce the number of 53 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: flappers I have, actually, um as I get older. But yeah, 54 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: this is the kind of thing that it's sort of 55 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: a modern question because it's the kind of question that arises. Um. 56 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: The more we can see things, you know, the more 57 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: we look out into the universe, the more we see 58 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: stuff that we didn't expect, which is exactly why we 59 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: do look out into the universe to get those surprises. Yeah, 60 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: to get more data points about how the universe works, right, 61 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: because so far we can only mostly look around where 62 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: we are here on Earth. That's right. And I think 63 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: early humans thought, hey, look, this is the Earth, this 64 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: is the universe. Everything else is just details or supporting 65 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: cast right. And as we learn more and more about 66 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: our role in the universe, we learned that the universe 67 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: is huge. And but you might be tempted to do 68 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: extrapolate and said, well, maybe the rest of the universe 69 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: is just filled with Earth's also, right. But the more 70 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: we look out, the more we learn that the Earth 71 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: is weird, it's strange, it's it's unusual. There are just 72 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: in our Solar system. There are no other plan It's 73 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: like the Earth. Yeah, it's strangely not hexagonal. That's right. 74 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: That's right. So maybe you should stop teasing folks and 75 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: tell them exactly what we're talking about today. Yeah, So 76 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: to be on the program, we'll be talking a really 77 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: big mystery in our solar system. We'll be talking about 78 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: what is Saturn's hexagon? That's right. And you might be thinking, 79 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: what Saturn has a hexagon? What does that even mean? 80 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: Does they have like a toy it plays with or something. Yeah. 81 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I have to admit I had no idea 82 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: what this was before you send me the notes for 83 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: this episode. Yeah, well it's incredible. I mean I thought 84 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: Saturn had like an octagon or a you know, pentagon, 85 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: but not a hexagon. That sounds somehow more sinister, right, 86 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: Like octagon and pentagon sound like they involved in some 87 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: devious scheme or something. But a hexagon, I guess the 88 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: hexagon is more benign. Yeah, I think so. I mean, 89 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: there's something nice about the number six. But I love 90 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: this topic and we'll dig into the details of it. 91 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,799 Speaker 1: Sort of. The broader sense of it is is learning 92 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: about the other stuff that goes out there, you know, 93 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: like the more we discover other planets and and other 94 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: systems and more we learn that stuff here on Earth 95 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: is kind of I don't know, sedate, you know, like 96 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: the biggest mountains in the Solar System not here on Earth, 97 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: the highest temperatures in the Solar System, not here on Earth, 98 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: the deepest valleys not here on Earth. Right, the weirdest 99 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: stuff in the Solar System is not here, And our 100 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: things here on Earth are kind of I don't know, 101 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: calm and and uh and easy going compared to the 102 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: extremes we find elsewhere in the just in our solar system. 103 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: You're saying, Earth is like the key west of the 104 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: solar system, you know, calm weather. Yeah, exactly. Imagine you 105 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: were a civilization that like, you know, formed in in 106 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: the southern Florida or something where along the equator, and 107 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: you imagine the whole Earth was like that, and then 108 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: you traveled north and like learned about snow and stuff 109 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: like that. You be like, whoa, this is crazy. Why 110 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: do people even live here? That's what I think of 111 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: the North All. That's when I think of every time 112 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: I go to Chicago, I'm like, I love this town, 113 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: but why is it here? Seriously, Like this town should 114 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: be on the west coast. So yeah, So Saturn has 115 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: a hexagon. And so if you've never heard of this before, 116 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: and you are a at a computer maybe or on 117 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: your phone on the subway or or the or the train, um, 118 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,239 Speaker 1: just take a second and just google image. Google search 119 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: for Saturn hexagon. I think your mind will be blown 120 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: when you see the images that come up. That's right, 121 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: all of your flabbers will be gassed. And for those 122 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: of you who don't have a screen in front of you, 123 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: and and we don't want you to pick up your 124 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: phone and while you're driving and start typing this into Google. 125 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: We can describe it for you briefly. Basically, if you 126 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: look at the top of Saturn, there is an enormous 127 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: cloud pattern in the shape of a hexagon. And it's 128 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: not like, no, that's not really hexagon. I mean you 129 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: look at this thing and you think, whoa, that's a hexagon. 130 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: It's a storm, and it looks at different color than 131 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: the rest of the planet, and the outline of it 132 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: looks like a perfect hexagon. It's not like a weird 133 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: blob with six sides of different sizes. It's like a 134 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: perfect hexagon. Yeah, I think perfect. My stretching it a 135 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: little bit, but it's definitely hexagonal. Right, It's not like 136 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: a circle with suggestions a little hint of hexagons. It's 137 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: like a slightly rounded hexagon. It's it's pretty strange and 138 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: it's big. It's sort of it's sort of like a 139 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: hat on Saturn, right, Yeah, exactly. This is not a 140 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: small thing. I think it sort of looks like a 141 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: yarmu cut, a six sided yamica. Yeah, that's right, you know, 142 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: like the six pointed star. Maybe Saturn is a Jewish 143 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: Planet's Jewish? Yeah? Maybe? Yeah, it's the Holy Land after all. 144 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: And you know, the amazing thing about this is that 145 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: we've never seen anything that shape before. And when we 146 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: looked all around Earth and storms on Earth, you know, 147 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: they're like round usually or a round dish, right, And 148 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 1: we looked all over the Solar System. You know, Jupiter 149 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: has storms on it and they're circular or they're like 150 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: a little oblong or whatever. We've never seen something on 151 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: another planet that's a geometrical shape. The only things we've 152 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: ever seen that are hexagonal are here on Earth and 153 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: their civilization, you know, unless you're talking about like bees, 154 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 1: honeycombs and stuff, and that's still that's proof of life. 155 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: It's a pretty suspicious thing, right, isn't it. It's not 156 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: round like or a blob. It's it's like it looks 157 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: like it has six sides to it. Yeah, it looks constructed. 158 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: And so immediately your brain goes to like, oh my god, 159 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: are there aliens on Saturn? Right? And then you think, okay, 160 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: I have to come up with some other explanation, because 161 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, the alien explanation wild antilizing, and while I 162 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: always want to go there because I'm desperate to meet 163 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: these aliens, it's got to be low on the list. Right. 164 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: If there were aliens on Saturn, they were capable of 165 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: doing this kind of thing, we probably would have heard 166 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: from them before now. So you've got to think of 167 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: some other explanation for it. But we'll dig into that. Well, 168 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: this is a perfect point to take a break, Daniel. 169 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: I feel like, if you ever meet aliens or gonna 170 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: be like the super eager person that really wants to, 171 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: I'm totally gonna fanboy out about the one thing. Yeah, family, 172 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: you're like, how did you get here? I love your work, 173 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: by the way, I'm so impressed. No, I'm gonna be shameless, 174 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. I will fanboard those alien physicists for sure. Well, 175 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: I definitely want their autograph as well. But before we 176 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: dig into it, I thought, what do people know about it? 177 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: Do people even know that this is a thing? Um? 178 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: So I ran around campus that you see Irvine, and 179 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 1: I asked folks if they knew that Saturn had a 180 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: hexagon on it. Here's what people had to say, did 181 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: you know that Saturn has a storm on it that's 182 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: almost a perfect hexagon. No, I did not. Do you 183 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: have any explanation for that? Does that seem natural to you? 184 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: Definitely not natural? I mean it is natural, but it 185 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: doesn't sound natural. I'm not sure because like there's things 186 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: in nature that are like hexagons, right, like honeycombs, like 187 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: can be artificial, artificial. So you think, like Aliens made 188 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: a storm on Saturn? What do you think? I think 189 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: Aliens is a stretch, but maybe I don't know. I 190 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: feel like it could be natural since we've never really 191 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: explored I'm not sure, but maybe exists. Okay, So you 192 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: don't think it's Aliens. Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, 193 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: because I feel like there's different types, like gravity on 194 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: Earth is different than any other planet. I really thought 195 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: of that. I feel like that might be an artificial 196 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: thing based on precedence on Earth, so most things are circular, 197 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: so something that would be hexagonal would suggest that there's 198 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: many fronts converging on one one site to control the flow. 199 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: I can't believe that it would be natural. And the 200 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: thing that I think of is, uh, the organization of 201 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: spatial representation in the end torontal cortex of the mammalian 202 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: brain the grid cells. Most people say no, but then 203 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: you actually showed them a picture of it, right, that's right. 204 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: I showed them a picture and then I said, so 205 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: what do you think does this seem like something that 206 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: could be, you know, naturally occurring or is it evidence 207 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: of aliens? Does it look artificial? So that's that was 208 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: maybe the more interesting question. And you know, some people 209 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: were like, well, it's definitely not natural. Well it doesn't 210 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: sound natural. I mean, how could that be possible? A 211 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: lot of people went straight to aliens though, you know, 212 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: some people had some ideas. What kinds of ideas did 213 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: people have? Well a lot of people thought, you know, 214 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: artificial though maybe I was planning that idea in their heads, 215 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: you never know. Um, But some people pointed out, you know, 216 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: like bees and honeycombs, that there are some things in 217 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: nature that are naturally hexagonal. But those things, again, that's life, right, 218 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: They're not inorganic things you find that are hexagonal. And 219 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: I thought somebody who was going to say, well, you know, 220 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: maybe crystals, right, because you can get naturally forming crystals 221 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: that are squares or totally geometric shapes, though certainly not 222 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: the size of this thing on Saturn. Well, we haven't 223 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: seen one before. And anyway, this is a cloud pattern, right, 224 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: not not a crystal. So you do see some hexagons 225 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: in nature sometimes, Okay, it's not kind of like a 226 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: fractals thing, Like maybe there's something small hexagonal that comes 227 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: out as a huge hexagonal storm. That would be awesome. Mean, 228 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: if there's some amazing crystal at the center of this 229 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: storm that's shaping the whole thing, I love it. Let's 230 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: go to Saturn and figure it out. I'm gonna drop 231 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: you into the center of that storm to retrieve that crystal. 232 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: That sounds like a great movie, doesn't it. Saturn's hexagon. 233 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: Retrieving Saturny's the race for Saturn's hexagon. So let's let's 234 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: dig into it. Then let's talk about what we do 235 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: know and don't know about this weird, almost artificial looking 236 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: feature on Saturday. I think the most important thing to 237 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: understand is the scale of this thing. This is not 238 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: like a hexagon the size of a school bus or 239 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: even a small town, or even like you know, North America, 240 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: or even the Earth. Okay, each side of this hexagon 241 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: is the size of the Earth, which makes the whole thing. 242 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: It's twenty thousand miles wide. So imagine a storm that 243 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: was in the shape of a hexagon, and each side 244 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: of that storm is bigger than the Earth. It's unbelievable. 245 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: It's bigger than the Great Red Spot on Jupiter. So 246 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: it's a giant storm. And for a whole length of 247 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: the of an Earth, it's it has a straight edge, yeah, 248 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: and then it bends right. The straight edge is weird, 249 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: and then it bends. It bends six degrees and then 250 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: it goes straight again for another length of the Earth, 251 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: and and it does at six times. And for people 252 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: who aren't familiar with Saturn, remember Saturn is a gas planet, 253 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: which means that the outer layers of Saturn are just 254 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: this hot, dense gas. Right, It's not like there's an 255 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: atmosphere above a rocky surface. There's something very dense in 256 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: the core. But basically Saturn is just a big ball 257 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: of gas and it gets denser and denser as you go. 258 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: And we can dig into the structure of Saturn in 259 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: a in another episode. But what we're looking at is 260 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: basically clouds on Saturn and they rotate, you know, they 261 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 1: move around Saturn, etcetera, etcetera. Um, so we're looking at 262 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: this cloud patterns. But the interesting thing about this hexagon 263 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: is that it doesn't rotate with respect to Saturn like 264 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: it moves with Saturn, and it seems like it's sort 265 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: of fixed to Saturn. That is, it rotates the same 266 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: rate as the rest of the planet, whereas some of 267 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: the cloud bands below it and on Jupiter they can 268 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: rotate faster or slower. Yeah. Well, I think one thing 269 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: we should mention is that they might help people grasp 270 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: this is that the storm is kind of centered around 271 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: the north pole of Saturn. Right, that's right. It's like 272 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: a hat on Saturn. Yeah, exactly, And there isn't one 273 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: on the south pole, right, There's only one on the 274 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: north pole. And so that might explain a little bit 275 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: why it's so symmetrical, Right, It's it's sort of like 276 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: it's it's centered around the whole spinning of the planet. Yeah, 277 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: that might be the one thing about it that makes 278 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: any sense, Right, that the center of the hexagon is 279 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: the north pole of Saturn. It would be even weirder 280 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: if it was like offset somehow. Do you think maybe 281 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: it's like Saturn and Jupiter having a little competition, you know, 282 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: Jupiter is like, hey, look I got a red tattoo, 283 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: and Santa's like, oh, yeah, well I got a little 284 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: blue hexagon. That's definitely the most likely explanation for sure. Yeah, 285 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm just wondering what the Jupiter is going 286 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: to come up with. The one up Saturn is hexagon, right, 287 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: another eye, Jupiter did absorb a comet that was pretty spectacular. 288 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: So it's huge, this storm. And so what makes it 289 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: a storm as opposed to the whole planet, which is 290 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: sort of like a giant cloud. Yeah, that's a great question. 291 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: What makes this storm? I think the whole planet is 292 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: basically a storm, you know, and this is just one 293 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: part of it. Um. These clouds are moving at pretty 294 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: high speed, and so I guess that's what you would 295 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: call a storm. Um. And that's fascinating also because you know, 296 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: we see these things on gas giants, these persistent patterns 297 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: of clouds we call them storms. But here on Earth 298 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: storms don't last years or decades or centuries. Right. The 299 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: great red spot in Jupiter is like at least a 300 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: century old. This thing on Saturn, we have no idea 301 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: how long it's been there. We saw it first in 302 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: one but on Earth, like I looked it up the 303 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: longest recorded storm ever on Earth was like thirty one days. 304 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: So there's something that's like stable and weird about these 305 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: cloud patterns on the gas giants that just doesn't happen 306 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: here on Earth. It might just be kind of a 307 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: skill thing, right, I mean, Jupiter and Saturn are so 308 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: much bigger than the Earth. Yeah, that certainly could be it. 309 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's so fascinating to look 310 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: at the atmospheres of other planets because we never see 311 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: that kind of thing here on Earth because the particular 312 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: their details of Earth. As you say, it's a particular size, 313 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: and so we don't get to see like what weird 314 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: effects only happen when you have a planet that's like 315 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: a thousand times bigger, and that's why it's so fascinating. 316 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: But you know, you look at it and then you 317 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: have to ask the question, like, how is it possible? 318 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: What's the physics there? Can we understand it? We certainly 319 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: didn't predict it. Nobody before we saw it said I 320 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: call out that there's going to be a hexagon on 321 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: top of Saturn. Wow, that would have been impressive. Nobody 322 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: predicted it. But in theory it should be explainable. Right, 323 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: everything we see out there in the universe should have 324 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: a natural physical explanation. Then the game is, can we 325 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: put together a story that tells us why that happens 326 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: there and why it doesn't happen anywhere else? Right, And 327 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: the weird thing is that it's sort of a different 328 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: color than the rest of the planet. Right, It's almost 329 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: like the whole planet is gas and clouds, but there's 330 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: this one group of clouds. It's a different color, and 331 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: it's in the shape of a hexagon. Yeah, what color 332 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: would you say it is? I think it's sort of 333 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: blue green? Yeah, I would agree. I think the aliens 334 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: have great taste, better than the jew Jupiterranyan aliens, whatever 335 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: you can say that Jovian sorry, Jovian aliens. Yeah, yeah, no, 336 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,719 Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty pretty color. As far as we 337 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: know from sort of symbol probes that we've done, it 338 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: goes about sixty miles deep, right, so it's not just 339 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: on the very top of the cloud layers. It's really 340 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: in there. And more recently they did a fly by 341 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: and um and they found something really fascinating that the 342 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: clouds above this, uh, this hexagon, so sort of in 343 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: the very center and above it there's another hexagon. It's 344 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: like a vortex in the very high atmosphere above it, 345 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: not in the center of the hexagon. There's the vortex 346 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: there as well, but well above the hexagon there's another 347 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: vortex and that one is also hexagon shape. Wow, and 348 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: it's centered. I mean it's in the north pole of 349 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: the planet as well. Yeah, it's sort of above the 350 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: north pole. It's like as if, you know, you found 351 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: some weird hexagonal ocean currents in the north pole of Earth, 352 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: and then above it you found hexagonal clouds or something. 353 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: There's two layers to this hexagon, and this, the second part, 354 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: was only recently discovered. So that's pretty wild to have 355 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: such a huge thing, such a huge storm, and have 356 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 1: it be a very specific shape. Yeah. I think, um, 357 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: the fact that there are two hexagons totally supports your 358 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: massive glowing hexagon alien crystal on the top of Saturn. Well, 359 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: let's get into that. Let's get into what scientists think 360 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: might be causing this feature in our solar system and 361 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: what we don't know about it. But first let's take 362 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: a quick break. All right, we're talking about Saturn's hexagon, 363 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: and so this was I was impressed by this. This 364 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: was only recently discovered, right Daniel in Yeah, voyager flu 365 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: by Saturn and you know took some of the first 366 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: close up pictures. And I would have loved to have 367 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,959 Speaker 1: been in the control room when that first picture got downloaded. 368 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: You know, this is one and this is pictures some voyager, 369 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: So it was sort of like downloading pictures from the internet, 370 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: you know twenty years ago. You get like a line 371 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: at a time, you're like waiting for it to come across, 372 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: and it must have been like slowly revealed. And what's 373 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: it like to be in the control room when such 374 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: a bizarre thing comes onto your screen for the first 375 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: time ever? Um, it must have been a wonderful moment. Yeah, 376 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: do you think they were They were going like, oh 377 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: my god, Alien. I think they're probably finding the grad 378 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: students to me like, this is not an appropriate prank 379 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: to play. Okay. I know you think this is funny, 380 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: but making a fake hexagon in the data is not okay. Um, 381 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: they must have really doubted their results for the first 382 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: a few minutes because it's just crazy. So before we 383 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: couldn't see it. Before we even with our telescopes, we 384 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: couldn't make out this hexagon. That's right. Yeah, we just 385 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: didn't have close up enough pictures of Saturn to see 386 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: this thing. And also it's on the north pole, so 387 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: it's harder to see from our angle. It's easier to 388 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: see from above, right, And so what you need is 389 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: a satellite, you know, to fly by Saturn and to 390 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: see it. And Saturn of course a gorgeous planet. Anyway, 391 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: you want closer pictures of the ings and the clouds 392 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: an incredible thing. Um, but then this hexagon is just 393 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: so baffling. Well, it seems that Saturn is definitely winning 394 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: the one upmanship with the Jupiter. I mean, it's got 395 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: the rings, got the hexagon. Don't let the Jovians hear 396 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: you say that, man. So, so let's get into what 397 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: might be causing this weird hexagonal pattern in Saturn. Right, 398 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: If it's not aliens, what could it possibly be. Yeah, so, um, 399 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: here's my list of possible explanations. One aliens, that's the 400 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: whole list. Is this in an order of preference or 401 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: or a wish fulfillment, that's the whole list. Of the 402 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: order doesn't matter. Um, we have no other consensus explanation. 403 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: I mean, they're really just there's nobody who knows what 404 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: could be making this thing. There are some folks who 405 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: have done some some studies to say, maybe it's some 406 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: weird thing with fluid hydrodynamics and cloud shapes and all 407 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: sorts of stuff interacting with like magnetic fields and and 408 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: all sorts of other stuff. But nobody can reproduce this. 409 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: I mean, if it's a something that needs to be 410 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: that size, which is why you don't see it on earth, 411 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: then of course you're not gonna be able to make 412 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: it in the lab. And there are some people who 413 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,239 Speaker 1: have done some stuff, like they put liquid in a 414 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: vat and they spin it and they try to see, 415 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: can we see any weird shapes in the spinning liquid 416 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: and we make stables shapes and the spinning liquid or 417 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: spinning gas, and you know, they see some things, but 418 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: nobody is really convinced by it. So what do you mean, 419 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: like not even you can't even simulate this pattern. There's 420 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: no explanation in the sense that we have no experiments 421 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: they can reproduce it, and not even simulations that can 422 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: that can construct this. And you know those simulations are 423 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: not easy to do, right. You need a vast, vast 424 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: system you're simulating lots and lots of particles, um, so 425 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: it would be a lot of computation. There might be 426 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: some really clever ways to sort of model the whole system. 427 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: But you're looking for this this thing to emerge, right, 428 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: You can't like put the hexagon into your calculations. You 429 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: want the hexagon to emerge naturally to show how it 430 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: can be produced, So you have to model it from 431 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: sort of a low level, like model all the particles 432 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: bouncing around and showed that this comes out. And that's 433 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: pretty tough. Couldn't you assume the hexagonal shape and then 434 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: kind of try to guess what kinds of forces or 435 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: processes you would need to get that shape. Yeah, and 436 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: people have thought about that, you know, like could there 437 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: be maybe vortices on the outside of it, Like imagine 438 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: a circle, and then if you happen to have six 439 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: regularly spaced vortices or clouds on the outside of it 440 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: that are sort of drawn towards the north pole, they 441 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: might be exerting pressure on those sides and bending them 442 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: from a circle into sort of straighter lines. That's one 443 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: sort of idea, but there's there's no real support for that, 444 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: Like nobody has shown that that works in simulation. I 445 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: think it must be on a list of you know, 446 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: astrophysics projects. People are like, well, somebody's got to explain that, 447 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: but nobody knows how to get started, so we just 448 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: sort of keep it on the list of big questions 449 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: until somebody comes along with a good idea and it's 450 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,719 Speaker 1: been defers like, you do it, no, you do it, 451 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to do it. But there are a 452 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: lot of great stories like that in science, or there's 453 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 1: sort an open puzzle for decades and nobody really knows 454 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: how to approach, and then somebody finally comes along and says, okay, 455 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm making that my PhD topic, and they dive in 456 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: and sometimes they figure it out, and those that's wonderful. 457 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: You know, that's wonderful. I'm glad that we have these 458 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: big hanging questions out there for people to dive into. 459 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: I don't want people to think that most of the 460 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: universe is figured out or explained or theren't. They aren't immediate, 461 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: tangible questions to be answered. So this is a pretty 462 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 1: big one. So there could be somebody listening to us 463 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: right now thinking, hey, maybe I'll be the one to 464 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: crack this mystery. Yeah, and it could be that somebody 465 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: listening to this right now is the person that cracks 466 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: this mystery. And when you figure it out and you 467 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: discover the aliens, hey mention my name to them. I 468 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: know this guy who's a huge fan. I did a 469 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: bunch of digging to try to figure out what do 470 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: people think about hexagon? Like what do the experts think 471 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: about it? There really isn't a lot out there, and 472 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: so because it's a pretty third of thin amount of 473 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: stuff to read, you end up pretty quickly out in 474 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: the weeds. And I watched a lot of videos of 475 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: people analyzing this picture and basically concluding that they were aliens. 476 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: That's why you were telling me you were looking at 477 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: this um really reputable academic source YouTube, that's right. On YouTube, 478 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: you can find lots of videos of people pouring over 479 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: this pictures of the hexagon, being like, look, this is 480 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: a city. See here you can see a dome, and 481 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: this must be a road and whatever. Um, A lot 482 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: of people are convinced that there's it's a huge alien 483 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: megastructure and that NASA is somehow covering it up. Well, 484 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: what are they seeing in the pattern that maybe scientists 485 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: are not, or they think that scientists are not. I 486 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: don't know what they're seeing because I looked through these 487 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: patterns also, and it just looks like clouds to me. Um. 488 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: I think they must have been smoking some pretty good 489 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: banana peals to make those conclusions. You know, it's sort 490 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: of like a roor shock test, like you know, you 491 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: see what you want to see. Use zooming on those 492 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: clouds and the inside of the this is in the 493 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: inside of the hexagon. Zoom in on those clouds and 494 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: you can see whatever you want. But it really is weird, right, 495 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: Like it it's weird for anything natural to be just 496 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: going a straight line like that and then take regular 497 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: turns in one direction. Yeah, exactly, it's really weird. I 498 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: think that's the weirdest part for me. Are those turns? 499 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: You know, how does that happen? How does like a 500 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 1: huge high speed band of clouds bend like that? You know, 501 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: it's usually it's if it encounters an obstacle or something, um, 502 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: which would suggest you know, there's something underneath it that's 503 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: that's causing it. Uh, we really don't know. I was 504 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: thinking about, you know, temperature gradients, like maybe the reason 505 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: there are large storms on gas giants is because they're 506 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: sort of further out from the Sun, which makes the 507 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: tops of them cold. Right, the outer atmosphere is colder 508 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: because it's further from the Sun, but then the interior 509 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: is very hot. So maybe they're just like larger temperature gradients. 510 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: Like the difference between the cloud tops and the center 511 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: is huge, and that's that's the kind of stuff that 512 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: causes weather here on Earth, right, cold air meeting hot air. Yeah, 513 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: there's definitely something strange about these gas giants, right, like 514 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: Saturn and Jupiter that are basically just giant balls of 515 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: gas that there's a lot of like physics that we 516 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: don't really we understand when you when you have that 517 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: munch of gas, that's right, you don't know. There's a 518 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of good jokes that that I'm 519 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: just going to step right around because this is a 520 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: family friendly episode, Um, but exactly, and that's why we 521 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: want to study it. You know, we are looking at 522 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: planets outside our Solar system, and we're just soon going 523 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: to be getting images of those for the first time, 524 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: and we're gonna be seeing even stranger weather patterns, I hope, 525 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: and one day we'll be we'll be looking at those 526 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: to decide where should we go? Where should humanities next 527 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: home be? And we want to pick a place that's 528 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: nice to live on, right, we want to find another 529 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: key West. And so it's good to get experienced just 530 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: in our neighborhood looking at planets and saying do we 531 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: understand this weather? Can? We had to figure this out. 532 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: The more we understand about exoplanet atmospheres, the better will 533 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: be in choosing a place for humanity to survive. So 534 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: it's kind of like Stonehenge in a way, right, Like 535 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 1: it's like it's like the Stonehenge of Saturn. It's like 536 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: it's there. It's obviously shouldn't be there, and it's weird 537 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 1: that it's there, but there's no real physical explanation for 538 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: why it's there. Yeah, that's a good analogy. It's like 539 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: a massive Saturnian Stonehenge. So basically the Irish did it. 540 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: And I think, um, a lot of people thought Stonehee 541 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: was also built by aliens, didn't they? Oh, well maybe 542 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: it's all related Stonehenge a hexagon. Oh my god, we 543 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: cracked the code. Did we just solve two mysteries? We 544 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: just cracked the code? All right? This is turning into 545 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: a Dan Brown novel. So yeah, so there are interesting 546 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: and amazing mysteries out there, even in our solar system 547 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: that even physicists are flabbergasted about gassing their flabbers flabberries 548 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,959 Speaker 1: are gasting. And so it's right there for you guys, 549 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: out there, for future scientists to try to figure it out. 550 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: That's right. So next time you're outside in the night sky, 551 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: look up and remember there's weird stuff going on really 552 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: far away, but also right here close to home. They're 553 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: big mysteries and little mysteries and six sided mysteries for 554 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: you to solve. Enjoy the view and all of some 555 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: of those mysteries for us, because I am dying to 556 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: know what's going on. Daniel is dying to meet some 557 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: that's right. That's right, and trade all of your lives 558 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: for some secrets of the universe. Alright, Well, on that note, 559 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: see you next time. Thanks for tuning in. If you 560 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: still have a question after listening to all these explanations, 561 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 1: please drop us a line. We'd love to hear from you. 562 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: You can find us at Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram at 563 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: Daniel and Jorge that's one word, or email us at 564 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 1: Feedback at Daniel and Jorge dot com. 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