Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, we're back. We're black, We're brown and
Speaker 1: a little bit shady ambitch.
Speaker 2: You took them out with a new line of tea
Speaker 2: called Brown Ambition Tea.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a little tea, a little a
Speaker 1: little filled my cup with tea matter. Let me get
Speaker 1: my mug, y look, sip my tea and stack my coins.
Speaker 3: This is a budd It's original. You brewed the tea
Speaker 3: last week.
Speaker 2: I know I took a media Yeah, I took a
Speaker 2: little social media cleans last week and completely missed the
Speaker 2: fact that one of our clips, what Tiffany, went viral.
Speaker 2: So if you guys have not listened to last week's
Speaker 2: B A Q and A, we talk about online mentorship
Speaker 2: communities and are they scams? Are they not as scams?
Speaker 2: And Tiffany's take damn one hundred and fifty something.
Speaker 3: Comments, I know how many views? Like sixty something thousand views,
Speaker 3: almost seventy thousand views. I was like, aha, we dust
Speaker 3: you touch a nerve, I nerve? I know, why do
Speaker 3: you think people are? What's what's the feedback?
Speaker 2: Mostly been like it seems like people were like, hell, yeah,
Speaker 2: speak on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that's really been I think because we
Speaker 1: are entering into like this strange space where everybody is teaching,
Speaker 1: which there's nothing wrong with that. It's because if you
Speaker 1: have some knowledge, teach it, that's great. But some people
Speaker 1: are not credible. If I'm going to be all be honest,
Speaker 1: you know, like they're not they're not positioned to be
Speaker 1: the teacher because there's just a lack of experience, a
Speaker 1: lack of knowledge, a lack of maybe certification whatever. So
Speaker 1: there are You don't need all those things for every
Speaker 1: single thing, but there's certain things you do. Like example,
Speaker 1: I would want my doctor to be certified, you know,
Speaker 1: like I want him to be like to have his
Speaker 1: doctor degree.
Speaker 3: He should do that.
Speaker 1: But for I follow one of my favorite skincare gurus.
Speaker 1: Her name is Felicia. This that beauty on Insta toughly
Speaker 1: so I say, hey girl, she's from New York too,
Speaker 1: but I love Felicia. Felicia is a woman of a
Speaker 1: so new usual way and she's got beautiful skin. Felicia
Speaker 1: is not an esthetician.
Speaker 3: She's not.
Speaker 1: She's just beautiful black girl that tries these different products
Speaker 1: and products and services and then reports back. She doesn't
Speaker 1: say I'm an esthetician. She's like I tried this. This
Speaker 1: is what it did for my skin. My skin tends
Speaker 1: to be this. It's you know, so, but I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. I don't need Felicia to have
Speaker 1: gone to skin school, you know, because that's not what
Speaker 1: she's purporting. She's just like, I'm a black girl who
Speaker 1: loves skin stuff. I try all the things, so you
Speaker 1: don't have to. This is what worked for me, didn't
Speaker 1: work for you. You know, use that how you will.
Speaker 1: And so I'm certainly I think Nitdy and I were
Speaker 1: on the same page and that we're not saying that
Speaker 1: you can't teach unless do that, but there are some
Speaker 1: instances where we have seen people are teaching and we're like.
Speaker 3: Really, okay, I'm confused.
Speaker 1: About where that novegs came from. It tas Mandy earlier
Speaker 1: pre pre podcast taping chat. I was like, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, nineteen year old man.
Speaker 3: It's like I just.
Speaker 1: Graduated college and now I'm going to be, you know,
Speaker 1: a career coach. Meanwhile, that Mandy had not had a
Speaker 1: career yet, So where where's that knowledge coming from?
Speaker 3: That doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: But now you've got season still young Mandy, but she's
Speaker 1: had a number of careers, a number of jobs, a
Speaker 1: number of twists and turns that allows her, through that experience,
Speaker 1: to share from that place and now she's like.
Speaker 3: The number one career coach. If you do, if I do,
Speaker 3: say so much, I mean according to Tiffany, that's on
Speaker 3: the fine print. You know, Mandy, what do you think
Speaker 3: about it?
Speaker 1: Because like if you look at that clip on ig,
Speaker 1: it's like, I mean, it's not I'm not I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm being super sassy or anything.
Speaker 3: Not at all.
Speaker 2: I mean I agree with the fundamentally what you're saying,
Speaker 2: the fact that, but I think what are our key
Speaker 2: message is that it's as consumers, you know, our listeners
Speaker 2: if there are if you're out there, and the thing
Speaker 2: is there are a lot of people offering their expertise
Speaker 2: now and offering. Yes, we see courses, you see communities,
Speaker 2: you have like you know, subscription based services where they
Speaker 2: are coaching you or educating you in some way, or
Speaker 2: maybe it's just a one time thing, you know, pay
Speaker 2: for this download where in this download I'll give you
Speaker 2: a worksheet or you know, a step by step guide
Speaker 2: or something like that. I think we really really like
Speaker 2: a core message is to be really careful as you
Speaker 2: shop online and to look for credibility, look for where
Speaker 2: does this authority coming from? Where like the key things
Speaker 2: you should ask. First of all, I think it's on
Speaker 2: creators like our you know, educators, on us to really
Speaker 2: share our story and to share where our source of
Speaker 2: knowledge comes from and give people all the information. So
Speaker 2: if you don't think, after you've read everything about me
Speaker 2: and my career that I'm the person for you.
Speaker 3: That's okay.
Speaker 2: That's why I am like a Hella transparent with who
Speaker 2: I am, my story, my experience, and over the past
Speaker 2: the course of the past year, becoming obsessed with my
Speaker 2: ideal client and who who am I most beneficial for
Speaker 2: so that I can really target you know, that consumer
Speaker 2: and the rest of people won't be interested in working
Speaker 2: with me and I'm not the right fit for them,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I think educators need
Speaker 2: to be really specific and honest with who they are,
Speaker 2: and as consumers, we have to be you know, we
Speaker 2: can't believe in like this Messiah complex that there's one
Speaker 2: person who's got all the answers and they're going to
Speaker 2: solve all my problems. Like, be realistic about what it
Speaker 2: is that you are, whether you're deciding to buy a
Speaker 2: course or download something, what is the person advertising that
Speaker 2: it's going to be and what's your expectation going in?
Speaker 3: And then what's their proof? Like where the.
Speaker 2: Testimonials at, where's the proof of excellence?
Speaker 3: Are they being quoted anywhere? Have they written a book?
Speaker 3: You know? What does it say about on their about page?
Speaker 3: Actually verify that the.
Speaker 2: Person is being honest about their background, Like it's there
Speaker 2: are people out there and it's not even that they
Speaker 2: don't have the experience, it's that people like maybe they're
Speaker 2: positioning themselves in a way to make people think that
Speaker 2: they are expert in something and the realities that they're not. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and like those people end up purchasing something or subscribing
Speaker 2: to something and then they're like, wait a second, I'm
Speaker 2: not getting what I thought I was going to get
Speaker 2: out of this. At that point, it's like that gray area, right,
Speaker 2: Is it a scam? Or is it like were you
Speaker 2: maybe expecting something that they didn't actually advertise or they
Speaker 2: just didn't fill in some gaps and you did it yourself,
Speaker 2: you know, and ended up in a situation where you
Speaker 2: weren't actually happy with what you got.
Speaker 3: It's it's messy. It is because here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Right, So on the surface, you could easily say like, oh, well, like,
Speaker 1: for example, I believe that if you are coaching in business,
Speaker 1: you ought to have had a business outside of this coaching,
Speaker 1: Like before you coach me in business whatever. That looks
Speaker 1: like maybe you were coaching in retail before, which is fine,
Speaker 1: you know, but not that the only business you have
Speaker 1: is coaching in business and that's what you're doing, and
Speaker 1: that's the only job you've ever had, right, because then
Speaker 1: it's just like this weird loop of like, well, what
Speaker 1: came first, the chicken or the egg? Your experience or
Speaker 1: you only got experience because you practiced on me. So
Speaker 1: that's one I was talking to my mentee last night
Speaker 1: and she was like, well, I can tell she was.
Speaker 3: Struggling with it, like because she coaches.
Speaker 1: And she was like, well, not all football coaches were
Speaker 1: like in the NFL like NFL coaches.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, but that's but they all played football.
Speaker 1: Meaning I'm not saying they played football professionally. But if
Speaker 1: you've never picked up a football ever in your life,
Speaker 1: you have never thrown one, you've never you where does
Speaker 1: that you're coaching from what space. You don't know how
Speaker 1: the game is played, You don't know how the ball feels,
Speaker 1: you don't you know, like coaches don't have to that
Speaker 1: kind of coach. It's not required that you were in
Speaker 1: the NFL, but at some point you.
Speaker 3: Had to have at least played football, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean, even just recreationally, because there's some
Speaker 1: nuance that you gather from the experience. That's not the
Speaker 1: same for all things. Like my therapist, before she was
Speaker 1: my therapist, she was a a coach for me.
Speaker 3: Now here's the thing. When she was my coach, did
Speaker 3: she need to be a therapist? Now?
Speaker 1: So like a personal coach to me does not necessarily
Speaker 1: have to have a doctorate like she doctor Green is doctor.
Speaker 1: She does not necessarily have to have a doctor.
Speaker 3: Because I've had.
Speaker 1: Personal coaches before, they weren't Also, they didn't have their
Speaker 1: degree in psychology. That was an added bonus. But as
Speaker 1: a personal coach, that was not That wasn't a requirement
Speaker 1: for me. But then when I was looking for a therapists,
Speaker 1: it absolutely was a requirement that this person is certified
Speaker 1: as a therapist. So do you see that, like like
Speaker 1: there are it's not all the way across the board
Speaker 1: where it's like no, no, no, you know, you absolutely
Speaker 1: have to have these things in order to be able
Speaker 1: to teach a thing.
Speaker 3: I think it's really nuanced.
Speaker 1: And I heard someone say like, yeah, because if someone's
Speaker 1: not doing better than me, they can't coach, and I
Speaker 1: disagree with that too. I was giving you the example earlier,
Speaker 1: the idea of my friend Cabrell. His mother, Miss Denise,
Speaker 1: she Cabrell's mother. Her parents started an eyeglass store called Elegantize,
Speaker 1: and it's based here in Newark. And they have you know,
Speaker 1: they have been to the riots, they have been here,
Speaker 1: I mean a year over sixty years, I believe organized
Speaker 1: has been in business. So from grandparents, parents to now
Speaker 1: Cabrell and his sister. Now, I mean, if I'm being candid,
Speaker 1: I probably have made more money, you know, in my
Speaker 1: business than maybe that you know, than the eye glass
Speaker 1: store has made. Right, But there's no way that like,
Speaker 1: I mean, one of my number one go to people
Speaker 1: when I'm needing like business acumen, it's Cabral And his
Speaker 1: mother knows even more because she has been in business
Speaker 1: for like fifty years and so I mean not only
Speaker 1: has she had elegantized. At one point she owned an ihop,
Speaker 1: at one point she owned a Jamaican restaurant. At one
Speaker 1: point she owned an apartment complex. I mean, miss Denise
Speaker 1: is so well well, I remember asking Cabrel because she's
Speaker 1: so chilling, laid back, you know, not I'll get ready
Speaker 1: and now I.
Speaker 3: Gotta be on social myself included. But that old school
Speaker 3: you know, they just did it. You know. So I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm like, can your mom? Can your mom be my mentor?
Speaker 3: He was like what mister Niece was like, girl, what
Speaker 3: you're talking about?
Speaker 1: You know, because but I mean she is a wealth
Speaker 1: of knowledge, despite on the surface that might look like, well, Tiffy,
Speaker 1: you've made such and such. No, no, no, no, no no, I
Speaker 1: cannot hold a candle to her level of knowledge because
Speaker 1: there are some so there are some mentors that to
Speaker 1: me require a deeper level of experience in order because
Speaker 1: business is so nuanced. It's not something that you can
Speaker 1: do on the sidelines and then tell somebody about. You
Speaker 1: have to be in it. And so yeah, so me
Speaker 1: and Manny were just talking about, like, you know, like,
Speaker 1: what what is you know when you're looking if the
Speaker 1: onness is not just on like the people that teach,
Speaker 1: but also those of you that buy, making sure that
Speaker 1: you're mindful of like what is it that you need
Speaker 1: from your coach? What level experience are you needing asking
Speaker 1: those questions? Are you even ready for coaching if you're
Speaker 1: spending ten twenty thousand dollars, which if that's how much
Speaker 1: a cost, that's how much a cost. I'm not here
Speaker 1: to shame. Coach charges a lot of money, but you know,
Speaker 1: are you even in position? I didn't start paying that
Speaker 1: kind of money until my business was almost eight figures,
Speaker 1: you know. And so yeah, because sometimes I've seen people
Speaker 1: will complain about a coach, but that's just because they
Speaker 1: weren't ready for the coaching just yet. They had not
Speaker 1: done enough footwork to know the questions to ask and
Speaker 1: what work to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one thousand percent. I mean even through creating bandy
Speaker 2: money makers, like the ninety nine point nine percent of
Speaker 2: the women who come through. And that's the reason I
Speaker 2: like have an application phase, and I actually have one
Speaker 2: on ones with women, a lot of women before they
Speaker 2: officially enroll, because I don't want in My program's only
Speaker 2: a few hundred bucks, that's where it starts at. And
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a lot of money. I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to diminish that, but I don't want it doesn't make
Speaker 2: me feel good to know that someone has come through
Speaker 2: my community and not gotten, not understood my vision, not
Speaker 2: gotten on board with I want women who are going
Speaker 2: to be talking to each other. It's not meant to
Speaker 2: be an individual experience like an online course where you
Speaker 2: just download it and do it on your own time.
Speaker 2: It's meant to be you know, gauging with other women
Speaker 2: and supporting other women. So like, I just want everyone
Speaker 2: to understand that. But even so, you know, I welcome
Speaker 2: the one time. In the past three cohorts and like
Speaker 2: sixty women who've gone through my program, one woman was like, hey,
Speaker 2: I've done a couple of classes. I just don't think
Speaker 2: I'm ready for this at this point, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to bow out. And I really I took that as
Speaker 2: a I took that as a learning moment for me,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, is my messaging on par You know,
Speaker 2: this happened to be a woman who I didn't do
Speaker 2: a one on one before, and I'm like, Okay, I
Speaker 2: need to make sure that I'm doing more one on ones.
Speaker 2: It's not like those situations are never going to happen.
Speaker 2: But again, I feel like as educators, it's like, so,
Speaker 2: how are we making sure that our right customer, our
Speaker 2: right client can find us? And if we're not for them,
Speaker 2: they can find you know someone who is. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel a real deep sense of responsibility. Also, I
Speaker 2: don't want to get back to Tiffany that I'm out
Speaker 2: here in these streets like y'all are going to tell
Speaker 2: on me.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, you'd be surprised, like despite so,
Speaker 1: like you know, I lost my Patreons for like the mentoring,
Speaker 1: and I realized the mistake that I made was when
Speaker 1: I first opened the doors. Although I said this is
Speaker 1: for business, this is for business, everybody knows me as
Speaker 1: a budgetesta personal finance, and so in the beginning, like
Speaker 1: the first month or so, I.
Speaker 3: Saw a ton of people leaving, and I'm like, what's
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 1: So thankfully with Patreon you can go on and you
Speaker 1: could do like an exit survey. So sometimes I'll say, oh,
Speaker 1: you're leaving why And I look and I would say
Speaker 1: the vast majority was like I came for personal finance,
Speaker 1: and I said, oh, okay, Tiffany, you're initial branding Budgetnista.
Speaker 1: Of course, the average person coming here is going to
Speaker 1: assume I'm going to get financial education here, even though
Speaker 1: like when you sign up, I have this video where
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're not doing personal finance. There's some writing
Speaker 1: it says's not personal finance. But girl, people are like BUDGETA,
Speaker 1: I love your girl.
Speaker 3: Click. They just sign up without looking.
Speaker 1: So I made sure now that like I have like
Speaker 1: a like when you go into my Patreon, like there's
Speaker 1: a it said start here, and one of the first
Speaker 1: things it says in all caps is you're not getting
Speaker 1: personal financier.
Speaker 3: This is if you need business coaching.
Speaker 1: And then I made sure that whenever I mention you know,
Speaker 1: like my Patreon, that I'm like to remember it's business
Speaker 1: coaching that personal finance, because I'm wanting that when you
Speaker 1: hear me, if you sign up, you know you come
Speaker 1: for that reason.
Speaker 3: But there's still people. Every once in a while, I.
Speaker 1: Get a handful of people that when they leave, I
Speaker 1: look and it's like I thought I was going to
Speaker 1: get personal finance. But to your point, the onus is
Speaker 1: also on the coach to make sure that you are
Speaker 1: saying the things that are attracting people who are going
Speaker 1: to be successful in your program, that they're getting what
Speaker 1: they come for because I don't want, you know, for me,
Speaker 1: it's ten bucks a month, so you know, people don't
Speaker 1: leave like I hate Tiffany because they're.
Speaker 3: Like, girl, just buy. You know.
Speaker 1: It's but you know, like you know, I know, I
Speaker 1: know I have friends who charge you know, ten twenty
Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars, not a month, but like for the year.
Speaker 1: And you know, you have to be real careful that
Speaker 1: you're not getting like people off the street that don't
Speaker 1: understand what they're getting. And certainly you don't have to
Speaker 1: be careful if you don't want to, but you know,
Speaker 1: you then word gets out real quickly when someone loses
Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars, it's devastating for most people. Like people
Speaker 1: don't don't have that, And it like to like I said,
Speaker 1: is it like Manny And I joke before and I said,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, but I think I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 1: It's like, is it a scam? You might not be
Speaker 1: going to jail, but you're not going to heap it,
Speaker 1: you know, So it's like, is it morally okay?
Speaker 3: Now? Is it a scam?
Speaker 1: Meaning like are you gonna you know, like, is there
Speaker 1: like some sort of legal ramification? Maybe not, but that
Speaker 1: doesn't make it right. And so you the onus on
Speaker 1: y'all who are looking is to vet you know, what
Speaker 1: is it that I'm needing? Am I going to get this?
Speaker 1: Can I ask questions?
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 1: What was this person doing before? Have other people gone
Speaker 1: through this? Like my business coach Zion. He was so expensive.
Speaker 1: It was thirty five thousand a month. Let's do the
Speaker 1: math on that. So but when I tell you I
Speaker 1: was this close to shutting down my business, I had
Speaker 1: reached even though we were our most successful at that
Speaker 1: time were just like literally just under ten million. I
Speaker 1: was like nine point nine eighty eight something something crazy, right,
Speaker 1: But I was so overwhelmed. So that's four hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars a year. But like I said, by
Speaker 1: then my business was just about ten million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: But I was so overwhelmed despite it being successful, I
Speaker 1: was going to shut it down because it was I
Speaker 1: didn't know how like I had we had clawed our
Speaker 1: way to that ten million in a way that I
Speaker 1: knew was not sustainable emotionally mentally it was I was
Speaker 1: drowning in the work and it was reflective in my body.
Speaker 1: My my, my blood pressure was astronomical, Like I went
Speaker 1: to the doctor, like I just want a regular check up.
Speaker 1: She said, this is the second time your blood presure
Speaker 1: has been elevated. I want you to get a blood
Speaker 1: pressure blood plusure, blood plusure ma sheet and then every
Speaker 1: day text me like be like our app like you
Speaker 1: know what it is. So I started to take it
Speaker 1: and I stopped. I stopped taking the numbers because they
Speaker 1: were scary, like I think, like it's like one twenty
Speaker 1: over seventy. It's like consider baseline, you know, a little
Speaker 1: elevated might be one thirty over eight. You know, like
Speaker 1: that that's in within range. But no, I was clocking
Speaker 1: in like one sixty over forty, like dangerous for I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not some old lady.
Speaker 3: And I stopped. At first, I thought maybe it's just
Speaker 3: the machine.
Speaker 1: It's broken. I had my sister do it one twenty
Speaker 1: over seventy. I had a listen do it. When twenty
Speaker 1: I had Jerelle at the time to do it, and
Speaker 1: I was just like, what is going on? What is
Speaker 1: going on? And so I realized that you're gonna have
Speaker 1: a heart attack or whatever is at a stroke. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what you get from high blood pressure. If
Speaker 1: this continues, If it means shutting down the business to
Speaker 1: save yourself, so be it, you know, because I didn't
Speaker 1: hate it. I just didn't know how to manage. And
Speaker 1: it was because I brought on Zion and he kind
Speaker 1: of was like, here's all the things you're doing that
Speaker 1: you ought not to be doing, how to delegate, here's
Speaker 1: how to shut down, here's how to create space.
Speaker 3: And so it was worth that money.
Speaker 1: So I don't want you to think I'm hating on, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I charged a whole lot for coaching. That that means
Speaker 1: some of that person is a scam. Now, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes it does cost a whole lot. But to me,
Speaker 1: I'm it's really more so that, like is there proof
Speaker 1: in the pudding? Who have they worked with before he
Speaker 1: was He was recommended to me by a very like
Speaker 1: somebody who I know in business that also does eight
Speaker 1: figures and was like having a hard time and and
Speaker 1: he totally transformed her. And she told me I had
Speaker 1: to time. You know, he ain't cheap, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you's the key.
Speaker 2: Yes, a personal referral from someone you trust. Amen, Like,
Speaker 2: if you don't have that, I don't know how anyone
Speaker 2: makes purchases of like that magnitude. Yeah, I cut a
Speaker 2: referral or a human tell me I went through this
Speaker 2: and you know, And this is also the reason why
Speaker 2: I think it's really important for educators give away your
Speaker 2: stuff for free for a little bit, like build those
Speaker 2: testimonials so that people can experience what whatver it is
Speaker 2: that you're doing. The smartest thing I did, and I
Speaker 2: wish I could say I was like some sort of
Speaker 2: mastermind genius was due.
Speaker 3: Two hundred free career coaching. Yeah, but that was demious
Speaker 3: though it was genius.
Speaker 2: But and I think without those testimonials, you know, how
Speaker 2: are you supposed to convince anyone to trust you, and
Speaker 2: not just testimonials that you read online, but like to
Speaker 2: know that someone like I'm thinking, I've invested in three
Speaker 2: coaches in the past, very different book proposal coach, business coach,
Speaker 2: and another like short term sort of coach for around sales.
Speaker 3: And as someone.
Speaker 2: Who's purchased, like Tiffany you're talking about purchasing coaching services,
Speaker 2: I've purchased coaching services as well. The key denominator. Common
Speaker 2: denominator is that I had a trusted peer, someone similar
Speaker 2: to me, like you mentioned in that case, someone who
Speaker 2: also had an eight figure business struggling, you know, someone
Speaker 2: who had similar issues to me. And that's important that
Speaker 2: they found it really really helpful and found the investment
Speaker 2: worth And I have turned down other programs from people
Speaker 2: who said, yes, I spent the money, would I do
Speaker 2: it again?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: And it it takes time to get those kinds of
Speaker 2: like referrals, but it's so crucial.
Speaker 1: So crucial, whether you're spending two hundred dollars two thousand
Speaker 1: or two hundred thousand, like the due diligence ultimately falls
Speaker 1: on you. And know, I think to me a critical
Speaker 1: component is have you even started the work. Some people
Speaker 1: want to coach day wanted their business. I'm like, sis, yeah,
Speaker 1: open up the laptop and just get to click in
Speaker 1: first before you because you don't even know what you need.
Speaker 1: You know, like have you gotten It's okay to get
Speaker 1: advice and things like that, but like to pay for coaching.
Speaker 1: Let me get into some sort of groove so I
Speaker 1: even know, like, oh, okay, this is what I'm this
Speaker 1: is what I'm in need for so I think I
Speaker 1: feel like people either get coaching too soon or they
Speaker 1: get it too late. Like I waited until I was
Speaker 1: on my last leg and limp and along.
Speaker 3: I was like, good j please, you know that I
Speaker 3: want to give desperate you know.
Speaker 1: But you also don't want to do coaching so soon
Speaker 1: in your baby business because you might be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't even want to do that anymore. Like I
Speaker 1: said not to say you shouldn't get advice and you
Speaker 1: shouldn't take free classes and things like that, but you
Speaker 1: just want to be mindful of that. So I hope,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm hoping that viral clip. You know, no
Speaker 1: one has reached out to me to be mad, but
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are people who are like this.
Speaker 3: Damn Tiffany, you know, she what do the people say?
Speaker 1: Like back in the day when I was in college,
Speaker 1: guys used to say I was a cock blocker because
Speaker 1: I I was a girlfriend, Like if my friend was
Speaker 1: drinking or whatever, because I didn't drink. If my girlfri
Speaker 1: my friend was drinking and she was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go home random over here, I'm like, you're not sis,
Speaker 1: You're not going home with whatever his face's name is.
Speaker 1: We're going back to the dorm, and I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: able to tell your mother I put you to bid
Speaker 1: and back in, and they'd be like, oh, he's a
Speaker 1: to hate. I'm like, I'm sorry, I won't let you
Speaker 1: accost my friend. Yeah, don't be mad that I won't
Speaker 1: let you a cost a cost our beautiful black and
Speaker 1: brown audience that like now, and you know I'll take it.
Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be a cast blocker.
Speaker 2: Any professional who can't engage in like an intelligent debate
Speaker 2: or converse station discourse about your profession and how to
Speaker 2: like improve it and how bad actors you know, how
Speaker 2: to tele apart bad actors and like that's not that
Speaker 2: to me is a red flag. Yeah, you know, it shouldn't.
Speaker 2: It shouldn't. Like for me as a coach, it doesn't.
Speaker 2: It doesn't, you know, make me feel any kind of
Speaker 2: way that we're being critical of other coaches and people
Speaker 2: who sell services. I think it makes us better, you know,
Speaker 2: and it helps build trust with our communities, which is
Speaker 2: what everyone should be out there doing, building that trust
Speaker 2: and doing the damn work so that you deserve that
Speaker 2: trust at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: Right exactly, Well, how do you go, what do you
Speaker 3: guys think?
Speaker 1: Tweet us igs all the things us because we'd love
Speaker 1: to get some feedback, like what do you think you know?
Speaker 3: Have you paid for coaching and felt like it wasn't
Speaker 3: worth it? And why have you paid for coaching and
Speaker 3: thought it was amazing? And why? We'd love to know.
Speaker 1: We're Branna Bitch and podcasts on IG the BA podcast
Speaker 1: on Twitter, Yeah, and then the Money on Twitter dot com.
Speaker 2: I love you for trying to sorry for promoting me,
Speaker 2: but no, Mandy Money not on Instagram. I'm on Instagram,
Speaker 2: Mandy Money Twitter is still Mandy So if I change it,
Speaker 2: I'll lose my verification badge. Oh you will, I will?
Speaker 2: They threatened me, and I said.
Speaker 1: Fine, Oh gosh, there's a taters and y'all know and
Speaker 1: the budget he's done all the thanks, but yeah, no,
Speaker 1: we would love to like know.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I'd love to know the good, the bad.
Speaker 1: The ugly, you know what you've I think it's important
Speaker 1: that they're you know, we don't condemn all coaching because
Speaker 1: Manday and I both coach, so that's certainly not what
Speaker 1: we're doing. We just wanted you to be to practice discernment.
Speaker 1: So you get your money's worth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you think there's a scam that you see
Speaker 3: out there, or there's something that you're just not sure about,
Speaker 3: like our last listener who even asked about these mentorship
Speaker 3: quote unquote scams. Is it a scam or not? You know,
Speaker 3: I'm curious because I can't see everything. We can't see
Speaker 3: everything that's out there, But what is what is giving
Speaker 3: y'all a little bit of like heartburn or a little
Speaker 3: bit of like I'm concerned, what's going on here? Let
Speaker 3: us know Brandon missions at gmail dot com or everywhere else.
Speaker 3: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 3: right back with the break or boost brown break, brown boost.
Speaker 1: And we're black and back for a brown break, brown boost.
Speaker 3: What you going to do? Brown bake, brown boo booz?
Speaker 3: What you gonna choose? Is she gonna break? Is she
Speaker 3: gonna boost? Oh we're chot shying, okay, Vanessa William p K.
Speaker 1: I do the Black people for version of Spanish dancing,
Speaker 1: which is just to shoffle your feet, swear and then
Speaker 1: move your hips.
Speaker 3: You know, like this, I hear, I'm late. It's like
Speaker 3: enthusiasm and ten percent. That's my version of any Latin dancing.
Speaker 3: So brown breaky, brown boosty. What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: Mandi?
Speaker 3: Are you gonna break? Are you gonna boost?
Speaker 2: I wish I had seen this news before last week.
Speaker 2: But I'm a little bit tardy to the party. But
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do a brown break. I have to do
Speaker 2: a brown break for Sesame Place, which is Sesame Place.
Speaker 2: Like we've been trying to figure out is Rio old enough?
Speaker 2: Will he be scared? You know? When to take Rio
Speaker 2: to Sesame Place? It is this I don't do They
Speaker 2: have them all over the country. I don't know, but
Speaker 2: there's one a couple hours from New York and it's
Speaker 2: where you can meet all your favorite sesame plays, Sesame
Speaker 2: Street characters and it's just fabulous and fun. Anyway, the
Speaker 2: heartbreaking videos that I saw, So, there was this viral video.
Speaker 3: Did you see this girl?
Speaker 1: You know I've seen it first. I was gonna take
Speaker 1: the kids and Sesame Place. This is someone Now I'm running.
Speaker 2: Ah, I know there's a heartbreaking video of these little girls,
Speaker 2: little brown girls. Who are I think it's Rosita. Yeah, Rosita,
Speaker 2: who is a Latin American character on Sesame Street, just
Speaker 2: completely ignoring them and like giving them like a nah no,
Speaker 2: like hand in the face as as as she goes by,
Speaker 2: and then she's like saying hi to kids who are white.
Speaker 2: And that would have been enough. But then I got
Speaker 2: on Twitter and there were other videos yeah that were
Speaker 2: surfacing of like similar craziness and sesame Place put out
Speaker 2: a statement, but it's it's so sad, like you would
Speaker 2: think all everything that says to me, you know, street
Speaker 2: stands for like they just need to crack.
Speaker 3: They need to do way, way, way, way.
Speaker 2: More than put out a statement. They need to figure
Speaker 2: out who's in those suits. Is this a pervasive problem?
Speaker 2: You know we are these are little babies, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: kids feel that when you see those little girls' faces,
Speaker 2: Oh like breaks my heart so massive break to sess
Speaker 2: me place and whoever the owners are, they need to
Speaker 2: get their shit together and fix these issues and huge.
Speaker 2: You know, that's a situation where I feel like those
Speaker 2: parents could have felt like it's just us. Are we
Speaker 2: imagining this like those instances of racism that aren't you know,
Speaker 2: smacking you over the head. But the fact that they
Speaker 2: told their story and then you see more stories coming
Speaker 2: out like thank you for actually sharing that story, posting
Speaker 2: that video being brave enough to endure, which I'm sure
Speaker 2: is like a ton of bs hate and vitriol, but
Speaker 2: it's important. So I'm breaking sas Me Place, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to boost that family for being brave enough to
Speaker 2: speak out about it.
Speaker 3: And you know, so crazy I was. I was doing
Speaker 3: some digging.
Speaker 1: Do you know the origins of Sesame Street, which is
Speaker 1: so anti racist that it was a psychologist that noticed
Speaker 1: that black and brown children, in particular, especially in urban neighborhoods,
Speaker 1: were behind on reading, and so he said, if I
Speaker 1: can create a show that is similar to that environment.
Speaker 1: So if you notice literally it's called Sesame Street because
Speaker 1: you know, it's supposed to be like New York, they
Speaker 1: had all these black and brown like and remember it
Speaker 1: was like all of the humans that lived there mostly
Speaker 1: were black and brown. And honestly, the South didn't want it,
Speaker 1: and people were angry at this representation in child's children's programming.
Speaker 1: But it was created specifically for the very kids that
Speaker 1: are being ignored at Sesame Place, which is so crazy,
Speaker 1: like to know that that's not the foundation that this
Speaker 1: was actually built on.
Speaker 3: It was actually built.
Speaker 1: Specifically for these children to feel included and welcomed and
Speaker 1: educated so Zilbet because honestly, I was going to take
Speaker 1: the kids. I was just talking to my sister Carol'm like,
Speaker 1: can we take a Roman and a Milia to test
Speaker 1: me place?
Speaker 3: She's like, by weed, do you mean you?
Speaker 2: I'm like, girl, whatever, but yes to digger Land. Construction
Speaker 2: trucks are the new Testame street. I don't remember construction
Speaker 2: trucks being such a big deal when I was a kid.
Speaker 3: But let me tell you about a kids deer. Okay,
Speaker 3: I don't know why kids.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a few I don't know if
Speaker 1: has gone through all these iterations, yet there's a few
Speaker 1: things that kids go through that they become expert level
Speaker 1: experts in planets, dinosaurs, like construction trucks and vehicles and things.
Speaker 3: And it's just such the oddest thing.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like literally, there'll be a moment where like,
Speaker 1: you know, like the babysit this five year.
Speaker 3: Old kid and he was like, do you know that
Speaker 3: Pluto was the problem?
Speaker 2: Like how.
Speaker 3: Why I was that kid? Then you get grown, you
Speaker 3: don't know nothing.
Speaker 1: You're like nettun like the town in South Jersey, Like
Speaker 1: you don't even remember those things. But it's just so
Speaker 1: odd to me that like, yeah, kids will go like
Speaker 1: through those spaces. Well, I'm actually going to boosty boost.
Speaker 1: I am currently reading. If you were watching on our YouTube,
Speaker 1: you would see it. So this book, it's called The
Speaker 1: Twelve Week Year, This is actually just a work for
Speaker 1: person that I don't know. These people they know, ain
Speaker 1: no money involved for me. But I started reading it
Speaker 1: because I'm not gonna lie manny, I'm not a really
Speaker 1: great consistent executor. And I know people think I'm a
Speaker 1: good executor. No, I struggle a lot and that consistent yes,
Speaker 1: And so I can execute when under duress, meaning like okay,
Speaker 1: or something's really big, Like when my book came out,
Speaker 1: Get Your of Money, I was like, okay, it was
Speaker 1: so important to me that I fumbled my way through execution.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I was like, we got
Speaker 1: to get this done. We have to meet weekly. I
Speaker 1: just kind of made it up as I went along.
Speaker 1: Same thing with like when I launched a kickstarter for
Speaker 1: Molly Moore, same thing when I launch a literature academy.
Speaker 1: So when it comes to these big old things that
Speaker 1: it has, it's so important to me, I will execute,
Speaker 1: but really in a sloppy way.
Speaker 3: So yes.
Speaker 1: On the outside, it's like ooh, ooh, you guys did it.
Speaker 1: It's like, girl, do you know how many like of
Speaker 1: the ten things we did, really only three of them.
Speaker 3: Were the things that like move things forward.
Speaker 1: And I was just I'm exhausted by it and so
Speaker 1: and I think actually Zion had recommended this to me before,
Speaker 1: but I was ready for it.
Speaker 3: And then it came up again. I was like, all right,
Speaker 3: I think I'm ready.
Speaker 1: So I got the ebook another e book, the audio version,
Speaker 1: because that's my jam now, and so I started listening.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, yes, and then I
Speaker 1: was like, but it's the kind of book you really
Speaker 1: need to kind of take notes, you know. So I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I don't want the book book.
Speaker 1: Let me get They had the workbook. So I ordered
Speaker 1: the workbook version. And I'm gonna be working with Tamra My,
Speaker 1: my CEO of the Literature Academy on like reconstructing like
Speaker 1: kind of our organizational structure to more similarly align with
Speaker 1: a twelve week year, but also even on the budget
Speaker 1: east to team with Logan and my team and being like, okay,
Speaker 1: because I want to practice being a consistent executor.
Speaker 3: Because it won't just help in business.
Speaker 1: But in life, you know what I mean, like how
Speaker 1: do you get things done? And why you know? And
Speaker 1: like how do I make that you know, something that
Speaker 1: is a habit versus like this herculean effort. And so
Speaker 1: the purpose, like the here's what the twelve week year
Speaker 1: really like in a nutshell is.
Speaker 3: It's like these Brian P.
Speaker 1: Morin and Michael Lennington, these their researchers, and they were
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what made what made.
Speaker 3: People successful truly truly? Was it? Knowledge? Was it?
Speaker 1: Connections was it? And they found that there was this
Speaker 1: underlying attribute that they found and it was like the
Speaker 1: people who were consistently successful, they were really good at
Speaker 1: executing above all else. And they were like, well, what
Speaker 1: does that kind of look like like these executors And
Speaker 1: they started to study all these different companies and they
Speaker 1: found that companies typically were their most executed at the
Speaker 1: highest level, usually at the end of the year, when
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my gosh, the year's wrapping up.
Speaker 1: Let's not waste time on these meetings that don't mean anything.
Speaker 1: Let's not waste time on we got to meet our quota.
Speaker 1: And they were like, well, how can we recreate that
Speaker 1: same feeling of get things done, get rid of the
Speaker 1: things that don't matter, but not have to wait till
Speaker 1: the end of the year. They said, well, what if
Speaker 1: we can create like a year, but within these twelve weeks.
Speaker 1: So the purpose of twelve week year, Mandy is not
Speaker 1: to get a year's worth of work done in twelve weeks,
Speaker 1: which is that's what I thought. I was like, that
Speaker 1: sounds a lot, but it's to really organize and say,
Speaker 1: my overall vision, let's just pretend it's the book Get
Speaker 1: It with Money. My overall vision is for Get It
Speaker 1: with Money to sell one hundred thousand copies year one
Speaker 1: New York Times Bestsellers list.
Speaker 3: That's the overall vision. And then break that down to goals.
Speaker 1: So goal number one write the book or like to
Speaker 1: get you know, to get an agent, or to get
Speaker 1: a proposal done, whatever that is. And so those goals
Speaker 1: make up that's the twelve week year. So if goal
Speaker 1: number one was to get a proposal done, you know,
Speaker 1: and to find an agent, then that's what I would
Speaker 1: work on those twelve weeks. It's like, and then you
Speaker 1: break down these week by creating a plan for each
Speaker 1: week and then task for each day, and then by
Speaker 1: the end of that twelve week year, you're like, I
Speaker 1: have my proposal and I found the agent next to
Speaker 1: write the book.
Speaker 3: And then that's what happens within that twelve weeks. And
Speaker 3: so when by the time.
Speaker 1: You're done accumulated all of these major goals that lead
Speaker 1: to the overall vision, which is a successful book that
Speaker 1: is a New York Times bestseller.
Speaker 3: So honestly, I'm like, okay, and.
Speaker 1: I see that I was kind of doing some of
Speaker 1: those things already when I was successful in executing, but
Speaker 1: not in a strategic way accidentally, And so honestly, I'm
Speaker 1: really excited about it. And I'm actually gonna share it
Speaker 1: with my my my mentortipany dot com members, and I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna like we're gonna work through the book
Speaker 1: collectively together because when I teach, I learned twice and
Speaker 1: so I'm excited about that, Like, okay, because execution, for
Speaker 1: most small business and new business owners, that's something that
Speaker 1: people struggle with. So that's my boost. Honestly, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: If you've read it, let me know what you think
Speaker 1: I happen to. I'm really like enjoying it, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, oh, okay, if I can master this part
Speaker 1: of myself, it's just I feel like it can. It
Speaker 1: can alleviate additional stress and not have me wonder will
Speaker 1: this will?
Speaker 3: Will this not work?
Speaker 1: Because you won't have to wonder when you have a
Speaker 1: very clear plan. You know that if you're working the plan,
Speaker 1: the plan will work, you know. So that's my boosty
Speaker 1: even though they're not brown, that's okay.
Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan of baby steps. I feel like
Speaker 2: so often it's like deer in headlights. I want to
Speaker 2: get here, I want to get to the end, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, but that's not the problem today. The
Speaker 2: problem is that you don't have something you need today
Speaker 2: to do a tiny bit, like do a tiny step
Speaker 2: to get there. Well, that book helped me, like finally
Speaker 2: put away the laundry that I folded on it.
Speaker 3: Could you never know?
Speaker 1: Honestly, when I look at it, I'm thinking about, like
Speaker 1: I'm down. I know you can't really tell because black
Speaker 1: girls kind of well, I'm down like twenty five pounds,
Speaker 1: like at my peak, you know, like I was just
Speaker 1: like I mean, I'm always transparent, like I like my
Speaker 1: at my peak. I want to say last year, maybe
Speaker 1: mid last year, I was like two hundred pounds and
Speaker 1: I was like, Tiffany, like, this is the largest you've been,
Speaker 1: which normally it's like whatever, girl, you think it's cute,
Speaker 1: but when the blood pressure was raising and everything else
Speaker 1: else said not to, like it's affecting your health, and
Speaker 1: so I was like, but I had yo yo, like oh,
Speaker 1: I was vegan. Remember I was vegan for that spell.
Speaker 1: Then I dropped and then it was too much. I
Speaker 1: was not able to consistently keep myself where I wanted
Speaker 1: to be before. And then I started to do where
Speaker 1: I recognizing some of the things I was doing, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's why what's working is working now Because one, like
Speaker 1: I won, I found like like a something that I
Speaker 1: like to actually do, Like I actually like jumping rope
Speaker 1: and I'm still jumping rope.
Speaker 3: And we talked about that before.
Speaker 1: And two I finally realized that like, I don't do
Speaker 1: well with deprivation. Instead, I had to find foods that
Speaker 1: were good for me that I actually liked. And so
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I'm like okay, so like
Speaker 1: now I've flooded like my pantry, my refrigerator with food
Speaker 1: that I liked. So I was kind of doing this
Speaker 1: like systematic program for myself because I had to create
Speaker 1: a lifestyle like I had therapy right before this, and
Speaker 1: doctor Green said, it's the difference between picking up a
Speaker 1: skill set and technique, which is great to start, but
Speaker 1: until it becomes an embodiment, you will go back to
Speaker 1: where you were before, literally shifting who you are internally.
Speaker 1: And she was saying, that's why I'm really proud of you, Tiffany.
Speaker 1: She's like, you're doing an amazing job because you are
Speaker 1: shifting who you are internally and as a result, you're
Speaker 1: making decisions that are that are in your best interest.
Speaker 1: And that's the last thing changed. So I'm finally getting
Speaker 1: to that place with when it comes. I'm like down
Speaker 1: to like one seventy five, I just said, I don't
Speaker 1: only have like I mean now I feel like my
Speaker 1: size is fine, I guess. I mean, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: like I fit my old genes and I'm like, that's fine,
Speaker 1: But I still just want to continue with like working
Speaker 1: out and in the way that I like, which is
Speaker 1: walking and jumping rope and doing some lunches and squats
Speaker 1: when I brush my teeth. But yes, that's one of
Speaker 1: the things I do too. It's they call it habit
Speaker 1: stacking and atomic habits. But I've been doing that for
Speaker 1: like years. I used to do that when I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you have a habit you're already doing, and tack something
Speaker 1: to it that you want to make a habit. And
Speaker 1: so when I brush my teeth, which is usually at
Speaker 1: least twice a day, sometimes three times a day, I
Speaker 1: do lunches and squats, and so I'm like, okay, and
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm like and so sometimes I'll like
Speaker 1: even lean against the sink and like do like push
Speaker 1: ups against the sink, you know, because I don't really
Speaker 1: like working out, but I like jumping rope and I
Speaker 1: like walking. But that gets me to get like some
Speaker 1: lunches and squats and something. You're gonna brush your teeth
Speaker 1: anyway you're in here, get your twenty squats into you know, like.
Speaker 3: The good Yeah. I could do that with like cagles.
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be doing cagles when I'm like, I
Speaker 2: sit a lot like just cales when you're in the
Speaker 2: car and I'm like, dang, I always forget girl.
Speaker 3: I wish girl, let me cough just one good time.
Speaker 3: I listen, we can do a whole episode of I know.
Speaker 1: I'm sure after baby and everybody, every woman tells me
Speaker 1: like child.
Speaker 2: Listen, it's not a joke. I don't think there's enough
Speaker 2: cagles in the world that good sneeze.
Speaker 1: You're like, well, glad I bought a new beer underwear
Speaker 1: because it's a wrap for me.
Speaker 2: I know some of the guys are like, wait, what
Speaker 2: what I fear the belly laugh.
Speaker 3: I love to laugh. I fear it now. It's true.
Speaker 3: It's true.
Speaker 1: Women be trying hard not to pee on themselves. Basically
Speaker 1: when we lapping in cough.
Speaker 3: It just happens. Listen.
Speaker 2: It's a strugger that you struggle. You will never know. Okay,
Speaker 2: so don't try to understand. But yeah, so but I
Speaker 2: love that the twelve work, the twelve week year.
Speaker 3: Yep, all right. Your book recommendations are always on point, yes,
Speaker 3: and so like, yeah, I have you've read it. If
Speaker 3: you want to read it or whatever, let me know,
Speaker 3: because I'm just like, yes, I'm curious to see people
Speaker 3: who've used it, especially if you're using it and you're like,
Speaker 3: and you have some tips, please share, because you know,
Speaker 3: I want to round it up a little bit for
Speaker 3: myself because I'm like, Eah, some of the stuff they say,
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's clear your man, because that's not how
Speaker 3: that works. But you know, there's a lot of good
Speaker 3: foundational things there. Awesome. Well, shall we wrap it up?
Speaker 3: We s on a show, all right?
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