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Speaker 2: In this episode, it's all about the superpowered kids in
Speaker 2: the airlock.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about Osha and May and everything.
Speaker 2: Acolyte episode three, which has been a very controversial episode
Speaker 2: in the previously on, we're going to be recapping season
Speaker 2: three of The Boys as we prepare for a fourth
Speaker 2: season following quite a few spin offs. That is not
Speaker 2: quick though, it's not a quick previously on, Get your
Speaker 2: popcorn out and get ready to relive all the mistakes
Speaker 2: of all the adults in The Boys.
Speaker 1: Add in Who's Who. It's our favorite weird deaths in
Speaker 1: pop culture. But first the Acolyte. Okay, Acolyte episode three,
Speaker 1: Destiny Insane, Wild episode just completely bonkers.
Speaker 2: I loved it, but it's just a total game changer.
Speaker 1: I loved it, but there is so much to talk
Speaker 1: about and we've been, in fact talking intensely about it. Okay,
Speaker 1: we open on Brendoc. This is the home planet of
Speaker 1: Osha and May. It is sixteen years before our story.
Speaker 1: This wild planet is mostly unhabited except for a coven
Speaker 1: of witches who, as we will see, our adept with
Speaker 1: the force, which they call the Thread. It's very very
Speaker 1: the fates, very the Greek fates.
Speaker 2: They can manipulate the thread, and they believe in sharing
Speaker 2: it with others rather than just using it as a
Speaker 2: singular force user.
Speaker 1: The coven, perhaps by agreement with the Jedi, also says
Speaker 1: some kind of rule right, are supposed to not train
Speaker 1: children in the ways of the Thread or the Force
Speaker 1: or whatever, which is a problem because ocean May are
Speaker 1: here and we meet them running around in the woods,
Speaker 1: and Osha has a little butterfly perched on her finger,
Speaker 1: and then May comes over and they're having a nice time,
Speaker 1: and then May holds the butterfly with the force for
Speaker 1: a little too long, And that is our first inkling
Speaker 1: that these kids are really different, very different from each other.
Speaker 2: But I do love that we have here the blue butterflies,
Speaker 2: which have become a really important part of kind of
Speaker 2: force law and force redemption. And also it's been a
Speaker 2: while since we really got some kids who can talk
Speaker 2: to animals, which is a big part of the Expanded Universe.
Speaker 2: Also good to know that anyone who is good at that,
Speaker 2: especially in the Expanded Universe, like Jason Solo who was
Speaker 2: Hannen and Laya's son, usually ends up tanning towards the
Speaker 2: dark side. It's a bit of a dark side, uh
Speaker 2: you know, hint. So I thought this was a very
Speaker 2: interesting open.
Speaker 1: So the Coven's not supposed to have children force users,
Speaker 1: and it's certainly not supposed to be training them. So
Speaker 1: this is a problem because Saul Young Saul, part of
Speaker 1: a Jedi party investigating a planet, has been following these
Speaker 1: twin sisters and has spotted them out in the woods.
Speaker 1: Mother an Assayu is the leader of the Coven of Witches.
Speaker 1: Her partner, Mother Coral, are together the parents of the girls,
Speaker 1: and as we shall see, in a way even more
Speaker 1: than being their parents, there the creators of these girls
Speaker 1: in a real force kind of way. Coral tells Annasau
Speaker 1: that the girls have snuck out of the hideout where
Speaker 1: they might have been seen by the Jedi. We learn
Speaker 1: that Osha in particular, is very independent minded and is
Speaker 1: fond of sneaking out and running away and running through
Speaker 1: the woods, which worries Mother Coral, who thinks that Mother
Speaker 1: Anasayu needs to run the coven and parent the twins
Speaker 1: with a firmer hand. In a training session run by
Speaker 1: Mother anasay You, we see how important multiple thread users
Speaker 1: are to the Coven's philosophy. We see them use the
Speaker 1: power of two so two, which is very interesting phrasing
Speaker 1: is we see two thread users rather easily rebuff a
Speaker 1: force attack by Mother and I say you. And it's
Speaker 1: very clear from this that the coven is adept at
Speaker 1: cooling all of their force power together to do things
Speaker 1: that we can only dream about what they do.
Speaker 2: Yes, And it does seem like this could be seen
Speaker 2: as a threat towards the Jedi, because the Jedi do
Speaker 2: not really train that way, you know, the Jed it
Speaker 2: is about channeling the force through one singular person in general,
Speaker 2: and this seems like a more like a like a
Speaker 2: force commune basically, which I think the Jedi are probably
Speaker 2: a little scatter.
Speaker 1: Well, certainly the Jedi are interested, which is why they
Speaker 1: are on the planet. That said, more about the differences
Speaker 1: between the tins oshed May. During this training session, they
Speaker 1: just start bickering. They start bickering and wrestling with each other,
Speaker 1: and they're constantly going at each other. During this training session,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a really interesting moment where we see
Speaker 1: the generators of the Fortress and something weird about them.
Speaker 1: Mother Kral looks at them and gets kind of a
Speaker 1: weird vibe about them. After training, Osha admits to Mother
Speaker 1: and say that she doesn't want to do the ascension
Speaker 1: ceremony which they're to do tonight, which will be their
Speaker 1: official welcome into the coven. May really wants to do it.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, Mother Anasayu has the girls hold hands.
Speaker 1: She lectures them on the importance of the ascension and
Speaker 1: doing all of this together and being part of the community,
Speaker 1: and she says the galaxy is not place for women
Speaker 1: like us. And you know, it's really interesting because it's
Speaker 1: clear that in this relationship, either May or Osha will
Speaker 1: get their way and there's no other way about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's also interesting for us to get our
Speaker 2: first look at what's it well really since the last Jedi,
Speaker 2: because we did get a teaser of that, but what
Speaker 2: does it look like if you can use the Force,
Speaker 2: but you don't want to go to the Jedi academy
Speaker 2: or you're.
Speaker 1: Not chosen, Like, what does that look like?
Speaker 2: And this is a very interesting thing because Mother Anasayah
Speaker 2: obviously sees the Jedi and the outside world and other
Speaker 2: force uses as a threat to the country, So it's
Speaker 2: very interesting to kind of see that dichotomy.
Speaker 1: Later, while preparing for the ascension ceremony, oh May argue again.
Speaker 1: Osha again says she doesn't want to swear she doesn't
Speaker 1: want to go through that. May is like, well, if
Speaker 1: you have to, because we're gonna stay here forever and
Speaker 1: I don't want you to leave, and you're not leaving.
Speaker 1: The ceremony begins, we learned that the coven has been persecuted,
Speaker 1: likely by the Jedi, for delving into the dark side
Speaker 1: of the forest. Well, the Jedi see is the doctors.
Speaker 1: What the Jedi see is the dark side of the force.
Speaker 1: At one point they were on the brink of extinction,
Speaker 1: and then they discovered how to create light. This is
Speaker 1: our first hint that the Sisters were created from the force.
Speaker 1: May undergoes the ceremony, vows to protect the secrets of
Speaker 1: the Coven and continue its legacy. Osha is like begrudgingly
Speaker 1: gonna swear she really doesn't want to do it, but
Speaker 1: she will probably do it for the good of the
Speaker 1: coven and so her sister won't be mad. But then
Speaker 1: the Jedi just flat out break into the futures, break,
Speaker 1: like just straight up breaking, which is one hundred percent
Speaker 1: not cool. No, the best way to deal with it
Speaker 1: not the best way to deal with it. Feel like they're.
Speaker 2: Immediately setting up a confrontational situation.
Speaker 1: That's right, And the Jedi party is in Dara, Young Saul,
Speaker 1: the Wookie, Jedi kil Knaka, and King Joffrey Barrathia I
Speaker 1: mean Young Torbn, Sorry Taubn. I was so happy to
Speaker 1: see him.
Speaker 2: I was like, last time I saw you, you were
Speaker 2: jumping out of a window. I'm so sorry, Rip, You're
Speaker 2: a sweetet.
Speaker 1: So the Jedi have come to investigate whether they or
Speaker 1: not the Covenant trading children, which is apparently against Republic law.
Speaker 1: Brendock is not in the Republic, but nonetheless, the Jedi,
Speaker 1: who have never heard of warrance or knocking or asking
Speaker 1: or whatever, believe that they have jurisdiction. And I will
Speaker 1: say before we get into the deeper conversation. I think
Speaker 1: this episode does a really great job of showing how
Speaker 1: both sides both have a point, and both sides have
Speaker 1: very glaring weaknesses, the Cleven and the Jedi.
Speaker 2: Yes, I would agree, especially because this does lean into
Speaker 2: our biggest critique of Yord, who I do know. I
Speaker 2: just want to say, look, a lot of our discord
Speaker 2: they love YOURD.
Speaker 1: They're part of the hashtag.
Speaker 2: Your so you know, I'm so happy for you guys.
Speaker 1: I know you love YOURD.
Speaker 2: But as we pointed out, he's a little bit of
Speaker 2: a space cop in our opinion, and I do think
Speaker 2: that this shows how he ended up that way, because
Speaker 2: these Jedi did just kick the door in like they
Speaker 2: were cops, like they had jurisdiction, even though Brendock isn't
Speaker 2: part of the Republic.
Speaker 1: And while the Jedi, I assume.
Speaker 2: Believe they are working under the impression that they don't
Speaker 2: want the dark Side to get out, They've got to
Speaker 2: control it. You know, it's not necessarily a fruitful and
Speaker 2: constructive way of behaving, and it's not perfect. It's not perfect,
Speaker 2: and neither is the way that the Covenant are run.
Speaker 1: Because the idea.
Speaker 2: Of kind of forcing the kid to have to be
Speaker 2: part of this assension, though I will say we do
Speaker 2: get a good moment with Mother Anasa later where she
Speaker 2: seems to be a bit more open to the options
Speaker 2: that are there for the kids.
Speaker 1: But and similarly to the Jedi, we know that Osha
Speaker 1: left of her own accord and was able to leave
Speaker 1: the training program. So choice does play into it to
Speaker 1: a degree.
Speaker 2: Did they let Ocean leave because they're guilty about what
Speaker 2: they did on Brendoc? Because I will say whatever happened
Speaker 2: on Brendoc was clearly bad, as we know, Master Torben
Speaker 2: was willing to kill himself over it for his guilt.
Speaker 1: So let's see, Osha is fascinated by the Jedi. And
Speaker 1: here's like where I'm just like annoyed at the coven
Speaker 1: and the kids. The kids are supposed to be secret. Yes,
Speaker 1: the Jedi broke in, but like, let's do a little
Speaker 1: better than just like standing in front of them, right, bedroom, Yeah,
Speaker 1: do something coven, something like don't just like stand there
Speaker 1: and then let them walk out and go meet the Jedi.
Speaker 1: But that's what happens because OSHA's fascinated by the Jedi,
Speaker 1: loves their robes, loves the lightsabers. She of course she
Speaker 1: loves the lightsaber like that's cool as hell. She comes
Speaker 1: out and is clearly fascinated, but also a little nervous
Speaker 1: around the Jedi, who she've heard from many people, including
Speaker 1: her sister, are bad Soul as a way to be like,
Speaker 1: we're we're very, very chill, and we're cool and cool
Speaker 1: we are. Let's her hold the lace of which is
Speaker 1: not insane. I'm sorry this is to do.
Speaker 2: She killed everyone accidentally.
Speaker 1: It's a child and Nun does so.
Speaker 2: Like I will say, one thing I do think is
Speaker 2: really interesting about the sequence is I kind of like
Speaker 2: the idea that the Force works in mysterious ways. And
Speaker 2: the reason that the Coven didn't do a better job
Speaker 2: of hiding them is because May was supposed to, you know,
Speaker 2: Osha was supposed to walk out, and that's what the
Speaker 2: Force wanted. And I think there's something interesting that. But Soul,
Speaker 2: please don't give her that gun. Yeah, a fan, don't
Speaker 2: get ladies guns. I will pose this question to.
Speaker 1: You, Yeah, discord. There's been quite a lot of anti
Speaker 1: Soul chatter.
Speaker 2: There are people who believe that Soul is quite creepy, almost,
Speaker 2: that Soul is completely as complicit as the other Jedi,
Speaker 2: and I think in these moments where he hands her
Speaker 2: the light, say, but the training moments where they're kind
Speaker 2: of having these almost like secret conversations, I can see
Speaker 2: that I love Soul, But that just might because I'm
Speaker 2: a lead young jay Stan and I believe Saul is
Speaker 2: doing his best.
Speaker 1: And this is sixteen years yeah, this is sixteen years
Speaker 1: in the past. So I think the Soul that we
Speaker 1: needed in the first two episodes is probably a different person.
Speaker 1: And clearly in the way he seems to be relating
Speaker 1: to trauma from his past feels different than the way
Speaker 1: the Jedi would teach, And so maybe this is just
Speaker 1: a Soul that is more fired up, less cynical, more
Speaker 1: of a true believer of the Jedi path because he's
Speaker 1: just a younger initiate, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: That's part of what makes this show so engaging though,
Speaker 1: And it's two cults. It's like, you know, it's two cults.
Speaker 2: But I love the fact that, like everyone's having these
Speaker 2: conversations in the way that Leslie Hedlund kind of pieced
Speaker 2: together this show. You've got a situation where people like
Speaker 2: Usk and be like, you're the cop he's a space cop,
Speaker 2: and you have the Oordhard who love him.
Speaker 1: Then you've got Soul who we think.
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, this is such an empathetic, more holistic
Speaker 2: version of the Jedi. And other people are like, no,
Speaker 2: he's a groomer and he doesn't have boundaries and that's
Speaker 2: why he does nostalgia and that's why he wants the kids.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, Leslie, you are doing.
Speaker 2: Some true like gray Jedi kind of both sides are bad,
Speaker 2: but who is doing anything right kind of conversation that's
Speaker 2: really really interesting.
Speaker 1: So solid's Ohsha, hold the lightsaber. He's like, you'd make
Speaker 1: a great Jedi the Jedi test if you want. And
Speaker 1: Osha really wants to take the Jedi test with mother
Speaker 1: Onna Sayu and the Coven are strongly, strongly, strongly against it,
Speaker 1: as is May. However, she agrees to bring the girls
Speaker 1: for testing the following day to the Jedi camp. Later,
Speaker 1: the coven discussed this problem. Coral is of the opinion
Speaker 1: of just wipe the Jedi out. Why don't we just
Speaker 1: go and murder the Jedi And who's gonna know, Like
Speaker 1: we're out here in the middle of nowhere, like no
Speaker 1: one's gonna know, h Elder, which I you know, that's
Speaker 1: a way to go. I know.
Speaker 2: Mother Coral is obviously like the more what's the word,
Speaker 2: like militaristic of the two. I will say, we do
Speaker 2: know that they were persecuted by the Jedi, and they
Speaker 2: are some of them were probably wiped out.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, look, I wouldn't go that way. We
Speaker 1: did break into the fortress. I mean again, I think
Speaker 1: we want to mindset. Yeah, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: go that far, but like, that is a way to go.
Speaker 1: So the coven discuss this problem. Elder Nassa comes out
Speaker 1: and she suggests, okay, listen, it's a binary, right, She says,
Speaker 1: it's either passed or they were you know, pass and
Speaker 1: they leave us, or fail and they stay with us.
Speaker 1: So what if we find a third way? We convince
Speaker 1: the girls to fail on purpose. May instantly agrees she
Speaker 1: doesn't want to go anywhere. She wants to stay here
Speaker 1: with Mother and to say you and Mother Coral and
Speaker 1: never leave the coven. And she says if the Jedi
Speaker 1: try to take Osha away, she will stop it, says,
Speaker 1: very concerningly forcefully. Osha, meanwhile, wants to take the test
Speaker 1: and has a real problem, like a moral problem with
Speaker 1: lying about her abilities and her specialness at the Jedi
Speaker 1: camp may fails easily. Osha, who is you know, bonding
Speaker 1: with Wookie Jedi kil Naka because it's a cute big dog,
Speaker 1: goes in, has her blood taken, which Master Torbin pad Torb,
Speaker 1: I think you got it. I think you got to say, hey,
Speaker 1: can I take it? I'm about to take a blood sample?
Speaker 2: Is now I'm saying the Jedi still just going around
Speaker 2: stealing people's blood. This is why I feel like I
Speaker 2: am on the side of the coven, because I'm like,
Speaker 2: these motherfuckers just have no boundaries, and I'm.
Speaker 1: On nobody's side. I like that, You're like nobody's side.
Speaker 1: I think the Coven are being very irresponsible. We'll get
Speaker 1: into that. So Osha goes in, she takes the test,
Speaker 1: she tries to fail. She tries to fail, but then
Speaker 1: the Jedi realized you've been told to fail, haven't you?
Speaker 1: And she's like yeah. And Saul tells Osha that you
Speaker 1: know you're special like I am. And and this is
Speaker 1: the thing that I think really connects to Osha and
Speaker 1: is a thing that here's a real weakness the coven
Speaker 1: have these are the only kids. Ocean May is fine
Speaker 1: with that because she's a little bit. She's not a
Speaker 1: little bit, She's the more selfish one. She likes being
Speaker 1: the only kid, and she sees Osha as an extension
Speaker 1: of herself in a way, who she intends to make
Speaker 1: all the decisions for like a little kid would do,
Speaker 1: in a selfish way that little kids are often selfish.
Speaker 1: Osha wants more, wants to be around other kids, wants
Speaker 1: to see other kids. Has talked about how lonely it
Speaker 1: is here, and so when she hears it there's thousands
Speaker 1: of other kids training at the Jedi temple. That is
Speaker 1: something that really interests her. Osha is, you know, again,
Speaker 1: really lonely. On Brendoc and Osha passes the test, May
Speaker 1: is absolutely fucking furious. Osha tells the mothers that she
Speaker 1: wants her own life, she wants to go out into
Speaker 1: the galaxy, and they're really it seems as if they're
Speaker 1: going to let her go. She's backing her things.
Speaker 2: You know, She's like, if you want to do this,
Speaker 2: like you do have the choice, We'll never see you
Speaker 2: again and we will go to the Is that true?
Speaker 1: Though? She can leave, she can leave and lay look
Speaker 1: up with a coven later.
Speaker 2: But you know what, maybe nobody knows the Jedi that
Speaker 2: you can leave the Jedi, you know, because Osha is
Speaker 2: one of the only people we've ever met who's done that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh. Now May flips out like furious, like absolutely
Speaker 1: Red missed rage and has to be like carried away. Later,
Speaker 1: as Osha is praying to leave, May locks Oshit in
Speaker 1: her room and says, I'm not gonna let you leave.
Speaker 1: You try to leave, I'm gonna kill you. She literally says,
Speaker 1: like I will kill you. She then sets the little
Speaker 1: Jedi like welcome pamphlet on fire, and this seems to
Speaker 1: spark a fire that spreads rapidly. Because I think we
Speaker 1: all agree that there is more going on here. The Generators,
Speaker 1: which were foreshadowed earlier in the episode, just like explode,
Speaker 1: and mothers Coral and Anna say, and probably the rest
Speaker 1: of the Covenant can die completely off screen. How in
Speaker 1: this fire that's spread in two seconds, we don't know.
Speaker 1: The sisters face down each other across a broken bridge,
Speaker 1: incredibly thematic, and there's a huge explosion that seems to
Speaker 1: kill May and throws ocean into an abyss Saul rescues
Speaker 1: her and carries her away to safety on the Jedi ship,
Speaker 1: where she's taken for training, but we see at the
Speaker 1: end of the episode that May has survived. Yeah. What
Speaker 1: a fascinating episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just completely fascinating, really expands what we know of
Speaker 2: the Jedi. I know, look, I know people, some people
Speaker 2: don't like this episode. That's you know, whatever that's there.
Speaker 2: I think, I think this is great. This is exactly
Speaker 2: the kind of stuff that I want from Star Wars.
Speaker 2: This is very much that expanded universe version of Star
Speaker 2: Wars where we get to learn about all different kinds
Speaker 2: of force users, all different kinds of people who can
Speaker 2: wield it. And I think it's really interesting as a
Speaker 2: regular Jedi critic to kind of see the mistakes that
Speaker 2: the Jedi can make on their own terms, because I
Speaker 2: think something that is really interesting about this episode is
Speaker 2: this is like a little group of four Jedi who,
Speaker 2: as far as we know, are not being sent by
Speaker 2: any greater Jedi counsel or anything, who are just like, oh,
Speaker 2: here's something we need to stop, or here's some kids
Speaker 2: that we can you know, train. And I think that's
Speaker 2: really interesting because that's the real truth about any society
Speaker 2: is that human error is always like the worst thing
Speaker 2: that can happen to it, and I think in this
Speaker 2: case they make mistakes. I mean, I have a lot
Speaker 2: of issues here. I don't think you should let an
Speaker 2: eight year old choose what they're going to do with
Speaker 2: their whole life when it comes to like, well, are
Speaker 2: you going to become a space cop or are you
Speaker 2: going to become a witch?
Speaker 1: Both sides are asking eight year old children to swear
Speaker 1: that they will stay with them forever. Yes, I think
Speaker 1: that's a realty. Again, I think this there's a real
Speaker 1: weakness on both sides. I actually think that this is
Speaker 1: the episode that despite the okay, the breaking into the fortress, bad,
Speaker 1: the probably starting the fire and maybe killing everybody, absolutely
Speaker 1: awful and don't do that. At the same time, I
Speaker 1: think that the Jedi in this one respect come off
Speaker 1: looking okay, and that is in having an actual respect
Speaker 1: for the force and the power behind it and what
Speaker 1: it's able to do. Like the Coven. Here's my real
Speaker 1: critique of the Coven, and it's it's that they're playing
Speaker 1: with things that they clearly don't understand, and they've created
Speaker 1: a child in May who is angry who can't deal
Speaker 1: with their anger. They disagree amongst themselves to how to
Speaker 1: handle parenting May and Osha, and she's using her power
Speaker 1: by tap into that anger, and nobody is checking her
Speaker 1: at any point in time and saying, hey, don't do that,
Speaker 1: don't threaten to kill your sister, don't attack your sister
Speaker 1: all the time, don't like kill you know, kill butterflies.
Speaker 1: And so in that sense, I understand the Jedi going
Speaker 1: uh oh, like here we go again. Like they're gonna
Speaker 1: whatever the the goodness of their decision makings are, whatever
Speaker 1: they're the whatever they're intending to do, they're going to
Speaker 1: create somebody that's extremely powerful that that might do evil.
Speaker 1: It does not forgive them breaking into the place. Now,
Speaker 1: I'll say this, you somebody before we start a recording,
Speaker 1: you were like, you sound like somebody who's like pro
Speaker 1: mutant registration. This is I've talked about this on our
Speaker 1: cod before on Bingemo. Before I was talking about this.
Speaker 1: When we were talking on Bingebo, we were talking about
Speaker 1: Captain America's war right in the fictional reality of Civil
Speaker 1: War on pro cap. Because I completely trust the moral
Speaker 1: compass of Captain America and the heroes to do the
Speaker 1: right thing at every turn, and not oppress people, not
Speaker 1: use their power for evil in real life. If that
Speaker 1: was a real life situation and Captain America existed, in
Speaker 1: Iron Man existed, I'd be pro registration in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1: I don't want a billionaire trillionaire owning like billions of
Speaker 1: dollars of high tech military hardware like and just having
Speaker 1: it in his house in Malibui. I don't want super
Speaker 1: soldiers running around like. I don't want like, you know,
Speaker 1: witches who are able to take over people's minds, like
Speaker 1: applying their power. I think we need a way to
Speaker 1: like keep that in check. Similarly with the Jedi and
Speaker 1: the Coven in this world, I trust certain members of
Speaker 1: the Jedi slash Force user community to be completely morally
Speaker 1: correct at all times. Ben you know Obi Wan Kenobi
Speaker 1: Luke Skywalker, Yoda made a lot of mistakes, but he's
Speaker 1: his heart's in the right place, like those kind of things,
Speaker 1: right if it was if I was in that world,
Speaker 1: if that was real, I'd be like wipe out every
Speaker 1: Force user all of like they're a danger to the
Speaker 1: entire galaxy, like it whatever, you know, when the Jedi
Speaker 1: fuck up, when the coven fuck up. They create this
Speaker 1: superpowered evil person who is capable, very capable of twisting
Speaker 1: everyone's minds to their will and taking over the galaxy. Like,
Speaker 1: we can't trust being around them. They can play with
Speaker 1: your mind, they can do all these things, and you
Speaker 1: just have to trust that they're not doing it. That's
Speaker 1: not safe for anybody. So that's how I feel. I
Speaker 1: feel like I feel about it. How there's a fictional
Speaker 1: distance that I maintain, and I think one of the
Speaker 1: cool things about this episode is it shows you the
Speaker 1: weaknesses and the strengths of both sides, and what you'd
Speaker 1: really love to happen is like these two communities come
Speaker 1: together and talk about their philosophies and how better to
Speaker 1: train kids so that they don't abuse their force powers,
Speaker 1: which I don't think either side is doing.
Speaker 2: No, neither of them is doing that. Okay, so let's
Speaker 2: talk about the big question here. Did the Jedi do
Speaker 2: something to I think they did something to make the
Speaker 2: explosion happen, Like.
Speaker 1: Whether whether on accident or on purpose, they did something.
Speaker 1: They did something, because why is Torbin this guilty? That
Speaker 1: either yeah?
Speaker 2: And why did they Why do they all keep saying
Speaker 2: to May like we thought we were doing the right thing,
Speaker 2: Like what did you think was right? Like what was
Speaker 2: the thing that was right, like taking Osha, because that
Speaker 2: wouldn't have caused this problem.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was going there now. There's been lots.
Speaker 2: Of chatter in the discord, which I love about the
Speaker 2: idea that May and Osha are a diad, or that
Speaker 2: May and Osha were, as we were talking about before,
Speaker 2: potentially one child that was split into two as almost
Speaker 2: like manifestations, and the Jedi knew about that, they could
Speaker 2: sense it, and they were sent there to you know,
Speaker 2: imprison May or try and stop May. I'm very interested
Speaker 2: to see where it goes.
Speaker 1: Next week.
Speaker 2: We're at are halfway points, so I think we're probably
Speaker 2: gonna get This was.
Speaker 1: A lot of law building.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that we're going to probably end up back
Speaker 2: in the present and maybe get a little bit more
Speaker 2: insight into what's going on with May and her master
Speaker 2: and stuff. But yeah, I thought this episode was so great.
Speaker 2: I love this expansion of the force, and I like that,
Speaker 2: as you say, they didn't come in and be like,
Speaker 2: here's this matriarchal, peaceful organization who just have done nothing wrong.
Speaker 2: They were like, here's other people who are trying to
Speaker 2: deal with the fact that there's this life changing, galaxy
Speaker 2: altering power that certain people can use.
Speaker 1: And how does that impact you when you're trying to
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, and it's just very interesting. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure that training kids to be superpowered like balls of
Speaker 1: Anger is necessarily the right thing to do on either side,
Speaker 1: And I don't know what the answer is, but I
Speaker 1: think that's what is so fascinating about this episode in
Speaker 1: this show. Is it really like asks you to explore,
Speaker 1: like what would you do? Like what is how do
Speaker 1: you deal with something like this where where you're training
Speaker 1: kids to be to use a power that is, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, connects all living beings but can also like
Speaker 1: twist the lives of other beings and is really really dangerous.
Speaker 1: Very interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very interesting and also as well, you know,
Speaker 2: the fact that we're saying like these kids were you know,
Speaker 2: force created. Then it leads to the big question of
Speaker 2: who taught mother Anasaya that are we going to get
Speaker 2: some big connection to like a Darth Plagis or something
Speaker 2: like that, or is this going to be more that
Speaker 2: the Witches realized that they could utilize both sides of
Speaker 2: the force to create something, I'm very interested to see
Speaker 2: where that goes. I'm also interested because it never this
Speaker 2: has been canon since you know, Revenge of the Sith
Speaker 2: that you can create like a force life, but it's
Speaker 2: never We've never seen it outside of the kind of
Speaker 2: elite idea of like a Jedi bloodline. So I'm interested
Speaker 2: to see kind of where this goes and what it
Speaker 2: means for the biggest Star Wars universe.
Speaker 1: Also interesting considering that the previous to this, the only
Speaker 1: person that we know of who was created from the
Speaker 1: force out of whole cloth who's Anakin Skywalker, which leads
Speaker 1: us to the question of whether Shmi was a witch
Speaker 1: or was a kind of thread user and untrained thread
Speaker 1: you know who somehow instinctively did this.
Speaker 2: That would actually be very interesting, right because it was
Speaker 2: kind of one of the biggest critiques we always had
Speaker 2: have of the Jedi is like they just come that
Speaker 2: they leave all the slaves behind, They don't save anyone,
Speaker 2: They just take the force us. But if they if
Speaker 2: they knew or set that Shmi was kind of this
Speaker 2: unregulated force use, so that could also explain why they
Speaker 2: didn't have any interest in saving her, because they would
Speaker 2: almost see her as kind of a rule break. Even
Speaker 2: though Qui gon Jin is kind of in the gray
Speaker 2: Jedi like less binary Jedi space, that would be an
Speaker 2: interesting addition to that canon.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on what the Jedi are up to?
Speaker 1: What did they do?
Speaker 2: I my gut does say I think the Jedi purposefully
Speaker 2: went there to kind of destroy the covern, not necessarily
Speaker 2: kill them, but you know, the generators make it so
Speaker 2: they couldn't live on Brendoc.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: I also wonder if Venestra had some kind of knowledge
Speaker 2: or has since found.
Speaker 1: In the Jedi archives, because she keeps telling Soul.
Speaker 2: Like keep it a secret, Like she's like she knows
Speaker 2: that there's something that they shouldn't admit here. So I'm
Speaker 2: very interested to know what it is and kind of
Speaker 2: what the choices that they made.
Speaker 1: Mike God, I can't help it. I just think.
Speaker 2: I do think that the Jedi are inherently like almost
Speaker 2: hoarding the Force.
Speaker 1: I've always felt that way. It's why I love the
Speaker 1: last Jedi so much.
Speaker 2: So I do see them in a negative light in
Speaker 2: this space, and I do believe that they had some
Speaker 2: kind of knowledge of a diad or an extremely powerful
Speaker 2: force user, and they were basically sent there to deal
Speaker 2: with that problem in whatever way they chose to.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that that is probably right. I
Speaker 1: think that they came here probably to kill May. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we're hoping to I don't know if they were.
Speaker 1: I think if you're going to take on the Coven overtly,
Speaker 1: you send more than three Jedi, because I think what
Speaker 1: we saw is the Coven could easily defend themselves against
Speaker 1: against that smaller force. So I think they came here
Speaker 1: to do something ominous and probably kill May, who they
Speaker 1: suspect of being dark on her way to being a
Speaker 1: dark Force usar.
Speaker 2: I also wonder if the other option is that they
Speaker 2: found out that there were kids who were force created
Speaker 2: and they were messing wipe them out because they're not
Speaker 2: really humans, so the Jedi don't see them that way.
Speaker 2: They're just manifestations of the force. You've got to release
Speaker 2: that force back into the galaxy or whatever. And the
Speaker 2: reason that Soul got Osha to join the Jedi is
Speaker 2: because he wanted to. He saw a potential to like
Speaker 2: save a life, and he was kind of like, come, come,
Speaker 2: just join the Jedi, like, and if you're in our team,
Speaker 2: then we're not gonna, you know, destroy you, but because
Speaker 2: he couldn't do the same for May that I think.
Speaker 1: I don't know about destroy, but I think they certainly
Speaker 1: want to study. I mean, this is a huge deal, right,
Speaker 1: creating life from the force that is unheard of at
Speaker 1: this preculiar time and is unheard of later. So I
Speaker 1: think that they certainly want to study this, and I
Speaker 1: think they probably want to steal whatever method of doing
Speaker 1: this the coven hair exactly. Yes, that's a good point. Okay,
Speaker 1: up next, we're talking about the Boys. Yeah.
Speaker 2: When we last left The Boys, Homelander had transformed from
Speaker 2: a closeted racist, sexist, unchecked dog to a nationally celebrated,
Speaker 2: unapologetic sexist racist training the next generation of assholes.
Speaker 1: Hue took up a job at the Bureau of.
Speaker 2: Superhero Affairs, but quickly learned that Congressman Victoria Newman, who
Speaker 2: by the way, was the one we saw blowing up
Speaker 2: everyone's heads, is actually the adopted daughter of CEO Stan
Speaker 2: Edgar Shocking twist Billy Butcher. He's working with Queen May
Speaker 2: to find our way to destroy Homelander, and this time
Speaker 2: he is not fucking around.
Speaker 1: He becomes addicted to Compound V.
Speaker 2: Very bad, very bad drugs are bad kids, which gives
Speaker 2: him a similar power set as his enemy Homelander with
Speaker 2: laser eyes and bulletproof skin. We learn the Russians killed
Speaker 2: Soldier Boy in a CIA sting operation gone wrong.
Speaker 1: Rip French.
Speaker 2: She uses his old Bosses connections to get the boys
Speaker 2: into Russia, but doing so begins to see how similar
Speaker 2: the butcher is to Little Nina. In exchange for the
Speaker 2: crew getting into Russia, Kimiko must kill a gang rival
Speaker 2: for Nina, and she chooses to do it with a
Speaker 2: bunch of dildos. However, Kimiko does not want to be
Speaker 2: a matter anymore, so she makes a deal with French
Speaker 2: she to stop using her powers after this mission. Oh
Speaker 2: that's that's what we call that growth.
Speaker 1: Will it stick? I don't know.
Speaker 2: While the team thinks they're looking for a superhero killing
Speaker 2: weapon in Russia, they discover Soldier Boy is not only alive.
Speaker 1: Bomb juiced with radiation, his new bomb like.
Speaker 2: Powers not only killed but also neutralized powers. This means
Speaker 2: Kimiko can't heal her wounds, and Huey learns Billy as
Speaker 2: taking Compound V and decides he's gonna start taking it.
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, huie, this.
Speaker 2: Is actually such an un real season for like, toxic
Speaker 2: masculinity like they do with the boys is like so fucking.
Speaker 1: Deep and an interesting too, Like, uh so, much of
Speaker 1: the show to this point has been about like, the
Speaker 1: Soups are bad, we must take them down. So how
Speaker 1: do you transition into a world in which your two
Speaker 1: protagonists are now soups, drug addicted soups? Meanwhile, exactly what
Speaker 1: they've been fighting, that's right. Meanwhile, at Vought, Starlight is
Speaker 1: hosting a superhero reality show to determine the newest member
Speaker 1: of the Seven. It should have been Supersonic, Starlight's dreamy
Speaker 1: boy band X, who would have sided with her in
Speaker 1: her struggling Homelander. But Homelander. Homelander is not just a misogynistic, racist,
Speaker 1: mass murdering superpowered superhero. He's also very very adept at
Speaker 1: political infighting. He yes, I wish he was worse at something,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately he's really good at everything, which is why
Speaker 1: he's such an incredibly scary villain. He lets Sonic onto
Speaker 1: the team, but surprise viewers and Starlight by bringing back Aqua,
Speaker 1: I mean, the deep everybody's favorite compromised guy who is
Speaker 1: in love with various deep sea creatures the deep to
Speaker 1: prove his power, Homelander forces Kevin to consume this was
Speaker 1: really sad to consume Franklin the Octopus, one of his
Speaker 1: very closest companion creatures, in one of the most truly
Speaker 1: one of the most disturbing scenes this offered by this
Speaker 1: series or any series to date. A Train So Awful,
Speaker 1: Really Bad. A Train struggles with the complexities of being
Speaker 1: the only man of color on the team, with a
Speaker 1: defective heart that will soon see him removed from the seven.
Speaker 1: For now, he plays the shill, pretending to solve issues
Speaker 1: of racial inequality with popular commercials shades of the Kardashians,
Speaker 1: but you can see it like really bothering him. Determined
Speaker 1: to do some real good, he forces Blue Hawk, who
Speaker 1: has multiple street issues in which he has killed people
Speaker 1: of color on the street, forces Blue Hawk to apologize.
Speaker 1: The apology, which takes place at a community center that's
Speaker 1: run by A Tran's brother, is half asked and the
Speaker 1: community fights back, giving Blue Hawk the opening to do
Speaker 1: the thing that he loves to do, which is murder
Speaker 1: black people. A Train's brother is paralyzed in the attack
Speaker 1: and blue Hawk walks away with zero consequences, just like
Speaker 1: a train walked away after he ran through Hughey's girlfriend
Speaker 1: and evaporated her. So A Trains got to get street
Speaker 1: justice using his super speedy drags blue Hawk until blue
Speaker 1: Hawk just turns into like a stump. This triggers a
Speaker 1: train's massively damaged heart to give him a heart attack.
Speaker 1: And while a train did kill blue Hawk, there was
Speaker 1: enough of him left to give a train a new heart.
Speaker 1: So now his murder victim's heart so fucked inside of
Speaker 1: his chests. Meanwhile, the Deep scientology esque calls has gifted
Speaker 1: him a new wife slash manager who quickly begins taking
Speaker 1: over his life. Although she's very effective at rebranding him.
Speaker 1: Poor Kevin tries to fit in, but he needed some
Speaker 1: octopus loving and want to include his octopus girlfriend as
Speaker 1: a third in the relationship. So his wife left wrote
Speaker 1: a tell all book. I mean, who would stay? Who
Speaker 1: would that? Said? The Deep needs therapy, very very very bad.
Speaker 1: Continue out. She wrote a tell all book called Into Deep,
Speaker 1: and once again the Deep has no one but himself
Speaker 1: to blame from where his life is ended up. But
Speaker 1: at least there are seven members on the team. Again.
Speaker 1: Oh no, Homelander has discovered that starlight and play against him,
Speaker 1: and he does what he does best, which is a
Speaker 1: caven supersonic's head. And then there were six. Wow.
Speaker 2: While they're trying to kind of sort the seven out,
Speaker 2: CEO Stan Edgar wants his god back on her leash
Speaker 2: and asks Victoria to take down Homelander. But Victoria has
Speaker 2: been working with Homelander to get Compound V for her daughter,
Speaker 2: so instead she launches an investigation into her father's misconduct.
Speaker 2: You know what, Yeah, Victoria, she has no qualms. No,
Speaker 2: she is fucking over everybody.
Speaker 1: She's fucking over her dad.
Speaker 2: She's fucking over the soups like she's sucking over the boys.
Speaker 2: So in that investigation, Homelander becomes the head of War
Speaker 2: because of how bad it makes Stan Edgar look, and
Speaker 2: promptly fires all competent parties and replaces them with loyalists.
Speaker 2: So you can see where this is going. Anna Surprise
Speaker 2: Surprise quickly tanks the company.
Speaker 1: Soldier Boy comes to America and, out for revenge, begins
Speaker 1: killing off his old team members, the ones who sold
Speaker 1: him to the Rush, where he endured years and years
Speaker 1: of experimentation. Butcher makes a deal to help Soldier Wore
Speaker 1: kill the rest of his former teammates. In exchange, Soldierboy
Speaker 1: will help the Boys kill Homelander Q. Disturbingly, it's happened.
Speaker 1: Hero gasm. Okay, herogasm happened. They made it. They actually
Speaker 1: did it. One of the worst things to ever happen
Speaker 1: in the pages of a comic book has been adapted.
Speaker 1: Full of West Things, Full of a comic series, Lost Things.
Speaker 1: It really is. You want to talk about a show
Speaker 1: that the adaptation that is better than the than the
Speaker 1: comic version, it is The Boys the show because the
Speaker 1: comic book version it's it's truly like one of those
Speaker 1: comics that I couldn't even finish it. It was terrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the thing is, I think it's really funny
Speaker 2: is a lot of people love the show and then
Speaker 2: they're like, I'm gonna go read the comics, and I'm
Speaker 2: always like don't. I'm like, don't do man, Sila, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I interviewed Eric Kripkey, the show runner for the first season,
Speaker 2: and I interviewed him a Hollywood Report about how they
Speaker 2: were going to adapt the first issue because there's this
Speaker 2: horrific scene where the starlet gets like horribly abused and
Speaker 2: it's really played for laughs.
Speaker 1: And the thought that.
Speaker 2: Went into that writer's room and the amount of women
Speaker 2: he had come in, and I was so impressed, and
Speaker 2: that really set the tone for me on how this
Speaker 2: show was going to be. And even though The Boys
Speaker 2: is one of my most I'm not a fan of
Speaker 2: that comic, let's put it that way. I was going
Speaker 2: to say something more extreme, but it's just not for me.
Speaker 2: If it's for you, that's it's not for me either.
Speaker 2: But the show, the show is unbelievable, and I think
Speaker 2: The Boys is a great example of the what you
Speaker 2: can do when you have people who understand the medium,
Speaker 2: understand the tropes, but aren't afraid to do something different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say I would put it the same way.
Speaker 1: If it's for you, If The Boys is for you,
Speaker 1: that that's fine. I would say the difference for people
Speaker 1: who want to know the difference is The Boys the
Speaker 1: comic is the tone is shock value, and yeah, it's
Speaker 1: very edge lord, it's very edge lord. And to Rosie's point,
Speaker 1: none of the terrible things that happen in it are
Speaker 1: framed with any kind of thought to like lasting emotional
Speaker 1: impact or you know, Exploration doesn't even have like a
Speaker 1: the real this show that we're watching, and it plays
Speaker 1: very much like a zine, like like I exact if
Speaker 1: a kid made a zine and was kind of okay
Speaker 1: that they wanted to like shock their friends. Yes, and
Speaker 1: uh and it's just not for me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is The Boys the TV show
Speaker 2: still manage to have these shocking moments, but they're framed
Speaker 2: way more thoughtfully and way less just like, Oh, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do something horrible to people of color or a
Speaker 2: woman or whatever, which is very much the.
Speaker 1: Boys a superhero.
Speaker 2: We want to talk about the superhero orgy because they
Speaker 2: did it in the show and it's fantastic they did.
Speaker 1: It, so it's one of the notable events from the
Speaker 1: comic series is Heirogasm, the annual orgy hosted by a
Speaker 1: said of superhero twins and the various characters use their
Speaker 1: powers in ways that are shocking. You see a poenix explode,
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff is gone, all kinds of stuff happening.
Speaker 1: So the twins are located, Soldier Boy loses his shit,
Speaker 1: he kills the twins. Then Butcher and Soldier Boy fight Homelander.
Speaker 1: They overpower him, but they don't kill him. Annie, exhausted
Speaker 1: from the games, turns to social media to state how
Speaker 1: truly evil some of these superheroes are despite all the
Speaker 1: pr and the branding that frames them as America's heroes.
Speaker 1: Homelander predictably goes straight into intimidation mode, threatening Annie, but
Speaker 1: forgot to ensure that she wasn't live streaming what was
Speaker 1: happening with the old live stream for now everybody, the
Speaker 1: veil has dropped. Everybody can see how awful he really is.
Speaker 1: But if you call it fake news, some like the
Speaker 1: man playing stepdaddy to mother mother's milk's daughter, will believe it.
Speaker 1: And now the fans have been radicalized by what they've
Speaker 1: seen there Like a butcher, Hue and Soldier Boy go
Speaker 1: after Mesmer, who traps Butcher in a nightmare of his
Speaker 1: abusive childhood, where we learned that Billy had to protect
Speaker 1: his younger brother who clearly he sees hueiye as his
Speaker 1: definitely is like a fill in. Mesmer has one secret.
Speaker 1: It doesn't save his life, but it does open a
Speaker 1: can of worms, and the secret is that Soldier War
Speaker 1: is Homelander's father. Billy says, fuck that we've got killing
Speaker 1: to do, and Soldier Boy kind of agrees to go
Speaker 1: along with him. Okay, so we're back to now who
Speaker 1: I will say if I have a critique of the Boys,
Speaker 1: So we could always use more Kimiko.
Speaker 2: But remember this is a character who in The Boys
Speaker 2: was just called the woman.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: So they're building a lot on yes nothing, so she
Speaker 2: doesn't have powers, and she loves it so much that
Speaker 2: she has a full on musical dream sequence, which I
Speaker 2: feel like is really important because that definitely heavily influenced
Speaker 2: the way that they could behave in gen V where
Speaker 2: they did a lot more weird stuff. They had an
Speaker 2: episode that was all puppetry. Like, I feel like this
Speaker 2: is a great kind of creative moment. Little Nina is
Speaker 2: displeased with the chaos the Boys have caused in Russia. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I don't blame her. They're always called They're like Jessica
Speaker 2: Fletcher from Murder. She wrote wherever they got killed. It's
Speaker 2: like if Charles Xavier comes to your house and it's like,
Speaker 2: can I stay at your house? I said no, I
Speaker 2: don't want you can't come in here. I don't want
Speaker 2: my family to die. We've seen what happens when you
Speaker 2: come to someone's house, So the blame is actually laid
Speaker 2: at Frenchie's feet. I love French, ye, I love FRENCHI
Speaker 2: and Kimiko so sorry about that.
Speaker 1: She orders him to kill.
Speaker 2: A man and his daughter to make up for the clients.
Speaker 2: Nina loss, do they do that anymore? Is that what
Speaker 2: the boys do?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: When French she refuses, Nina kidnaps Kimiko and Frenchie, nearly killing.
Speaker 1: Them both, but they escape.
Speaker 2: That's good, and Kamiko decides she needs to have her
Speaker 2: powers to be safe.
Speaker 1: Starlight has discovered.
Speaker 2: Some notes on temp Vie and it turns out the
Speaker 2: stuff is deadly after three.
Speaker 1: Five, very very very dangerous and very fast.
Speaker 2: So we've been watching Billy fucking pound these things all season,
Speaker 2: so we know that's not good.
Speaker 1: Billy decides that it's fine if I die.
Speaker 2: But not baby brother Huey, so he knocks the kid
Speaker 2: out stores him in a closet as he goes to
Speaker 2: make his last stand against Homelander. Starlight finds Huey and
Speaker 2: he apologizes for being a dick, but I'm like, bro,
Speaker 2: it was a bit more than that. The team returns
Speaker 2: to stop Billy's last stand less. The collateral damage destroy
Speaker 2: the whole city. The insurance premiums are going up. Jason,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 1: Homelander tragically killed his really his only friend, the only
Speaker 1: person that he can could fide in the strangers. He's
Speaker 1: at his back, the strange, the mysterious Black Black Noir
Speaker 1: who was black under the mask and didn't want to
Speaker 1: wear the mask in the comic. I believe Black Noir
Speaker 1: is just a clone of Homelander, or Homelander was a
Speaker 1: clone of Black More. Yeah, Soldierberg beats him until he
Speaker 1: agrees to wear it, which means Black nor would have
Speaker 1: helped Homelander kill Soldier Boy, but Black Noir kept Homelander's
Speaker 1: lineage from him, and the deception proved too much for Homelander.
Speaker 2: So now we're getting into the true family Shenanigans of
Speaker 2: the boys.
Speaker 1: Homeland is opening move against his dad.
Speaker 2: Soldier Boy is introducing his son and being like.
Speaker 1: This is your grant and son. Maybe you'll love him.
Speaker 2: But Soldier Boy is like fucking embarrassed because he's very
Speaker 2: toxic person who's been in stasis since like the twenties
Speaker 2: or some shit, and he's embarrassed by his son's sensitivity.
Speaker 2: It makes a move to kill him, but Ryan wants
Speaker 2: to protect the only parental figure he has.
Speaker 1: Left, so we blost Soldier Boy.
Speaker 2: Billy cannot let the love of his life's child die,
Speaker 2: So now Billy's fighting Soldier Boy. He's changing sides every second.
Speaker 2: Queen Mayve shows up to quit kit homeland as Booty
Speaker 2: and the rest of the.
Speaker 1: Boys show up to duke it out Hugh.
Speaker 2: He considers taking Compound V again, but instead turns on
Speaker 2: all the studio lights, which supercharges starlight. That's a better
Speaker 2: choice than taking Compound V. They pinned Soldier Boy down
Speaker 2: and gas him, but he's about as he's about to explode.
Speaker 2: May have sacrifices herself and toss his Soldier Boy out
Speaker 2: the window. Homelander doesn't want to kill anyone else in
Speaker 2: front of his son, so he and Billy land on
Speaker 2: a temporary truth.
Speaker 1: Now that seems that seems great. It's definitely like a
Speaker 1: happy place to leave. Ah. Sorry, we haven't talked about
Speaker 1: the end yet. That's right, happy ending for at least
Speaker 1: one of our characters in this show. May have lived
Speaker 1: faked her death. The radioactive explosion generated by Soldier Boy
Speaker 1: did not do hour May if she's going off to
Speaker 1: live with her girlfriend happily ever after, and please let
Speaker 1: them go, Let go the lesbians live, come back, Let
Speaker 1: them go. Soldier Boy also survived somehow and is now
Speaker 1: in American custody. Annie decides to leave Starlight and the
Speaker 1: Seven in your rearview mirror. She joins the Boys. The
Speaker 1: team is whole. They've got seven members again. They've decided
Speaker 1: to take God vice presidential nominee and serial killer head
Speaker 1: exploorder Victoria Newman. Homelander introduces his son to his fanatics.
Speaker 1: A counter protester throws a drink at his kids, which is,
Speaker 1: why would you Why would you do that to drink
Speaker 1: at the kids? I feel like truly one of the
Speaker 1: mist What are we doing?
Speaker 2: Guy of course melts him in front of everyone live
Speaker 2: on TV and.
Speaker 1: His fans fucking they loved it, and then eat that shit,
Speaker 1: and so what happens. You get the now classic meme
Speaker 1: of Homelander realizing that actually he could be as terrible
Speaker 1: as as he wants to be and everybody will love it.
Speaker 1: They will eat it up. And we move on to
Speaker 1: the next season of the Boys, which will which will
Speaker 1: premiere this week.
Speaker 2: Ah that's so exciting. I just love this show so much.
Speaker 2: I never expected to be such a fan of it,
Speaker 2: but I always end up covering it every season.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I've gotten to speak to the creative team like they're amazing.
Speaker 2: I think it's so interesting. I also watched all of
Speaker 2: Gen B, which I thought was like really fantastic.
Speaker 1: Like for me, I probably liked it more.
Speaker 2: Than the Core Boys season because I just love you
Speaker 2: know what one. It's great, the writing's great, like it
Speaker 2: has flaws, just like The Boys, but I just love
Speaker 2: those characters. And everyone who listens to this podcast knows
Speaker 2: if there is like a cute kid or like a
Speaker 2: team of kids trying to do what they do best,
Speaker 2: always in support of.
Speaker 1: It, and jem V was very much like that. Also.
Speaker 1: I think something that The Boys.
Speaker 2: Has going for it right now is they are doing
Speaker 2: a shared universe in a way that people care about
Speaker 2: and actually like. Because GMV, some of the characters they
Speaker 2: introduced from the school, they're gonna be in the next
Speaker 2: season of The Boys. Yeah, and they just did that
Speaker 2: like smooth. If you don't know them, they'll get introduced
Speaker 2: in season four. If you do know them, that's very exciting.
Speaker 1: To see them there. I would say, if.
Speaker 2: You are a Boys fan and you haven't watched gen
Speaker 2: V yet, I would watch it because I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: spoil it. But there are some key plot points that
Speaker 2: are gonna carry over to season four, and I've already
Speaker 2: seen in the trailer that they're kind of talking about it,
Speaker 2: So I'm really excited about it. I think every season
Speaker 2: of The Boys gets better. I think the third season
Speaker 2: was the best season so far, and I'm hoping we'll
Speaker 2: continue with that. I'm very interested to see, like is
Speaker 2: Homeland are going to run for president?
Speaker 1: It feels like that's where they're going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm very excited to see. I know that
Speaker 2: they've got The Boys Mexico spin off that they're gonna
Speaker 2: do that has like Diego Luna and Gail Garcia banelas producers.
Speaker 2: So if you like your Mama to Tambien, you're in luck.
Speaker 2: Hopefully there'll be some gay kissing in this movie, a
Speaker 2: little bit of a threesome action.
Speaker 1: I believe it, and I think, you know, I think
Speaker 1: that The Boys has done something and Amazon has done
Speaker 1: something really interesting, which is kind of locked down this
Speaker 1: superhero space where they're asking, you know, Okay, what would
Speaker 1: people actually do if they were given this power? Knowing
Speaker 1: what we know about human nature? Right, what would happen
Speaker 1: if you gave twenty and thirty something people superpowers and
Speaker 1: made them really famous? What would happen is they become awful? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like truly awful people. And it's really compelling.
Speaker 2: I think as well, one of the greatest things that
Speaker 2: they've managed to do. I'm kind of surprised they've gotten
Speaker 2: away with it, but I think it's why the boys
Speaker 2: work so much. The very first season, they were basically like, well,
Speaker 2: the MCU exists, so let's just see what it would
Speaker 2: be like if it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't just fictional. Yeah, Like, and I think people love that.
Speaker 2: I think people love being able to see the analogies
Speaker 2: between like Soldier and Captain America and like Wonder Woman
Speaker 2: and Queen Mayve, and and seeing the way that these
Speaker 2: archetypes could be used in a real world scenario. And
Speaker 2: I actually love it because one of the things about
Speaker 2: the MCU is it was based on you know, the
Speaker 2: Ultimates comics, which we obviously you know know, and that
Speaker 2: was a huge moment in comics history, which means they're
Speaker 2: more grounded, but they never really ask like what would happen?
Speaker 2: They try and present them in a grounded world that
Speaker 2: we love, and it makes you know, Robert Downey Junior
Speaker 2: iron Man is such an iconic reimagining of the character
Speaker 2: because of that.
Speaker 1: But this is like, what if it happened in our world,
Speaker 1: not like six on six, not whatever fantasy movel world.
Speaker 2: What if the same place where Trump said I could
Speaker 2: kill people in the street and like, yeah, people would
Speaker 2: still vote for me?
Speaker 1: What if he had superpowers? That's basically where we're at.
Speaker 1: And also, yeah, well if you had laser eyes.
Speaker 2: Also, we do have to say something really funny about
Speaker 2: this season, which was this season like sparked a lot
Speaker 2: of discourse with people who had watched this show.
Speaker 1: And were like, wait, Homelanders the bad guy. Wait, hold
Speaker 1: on a set, They're like, he seems great. Wait a second,
Speaker 1: Homelander's bad Are you serious? Homelanders the villain of that?
Speaker 1: That was truly, honestly, I I I am not surprised
Speaker 1: by much anymore, but that was surprising to me that
Speaker 1: there was like a dedicated group of boys fans who
Speaker 1: were just like spun around all of a sudden. This
Speaker 1: is after this is after three seasons of the show.
Speaker 1: This is after like the previous season where Homelander was
Speaker 1: like in love with like a super neo Nazi lady,
Speaker 1: like who was literally a Nazi from then the first
Speaker 1: like Nazi. Yeah, like a real one, and they were like,
Speaker 1: wait did they get is very so bad? He's the
Speaker 1: bad guy.
Speaker 2: Bro am I gonna get to see him be even
Speaker 2: more bad next season of The Boys, which comes out
Speaker 2: this week. Okay, so every episode we like to finish
Speaker 2: with a fast paced little chat, and this one is
Speaker 2: gonna be Who's who And it's gonna be favorite weird
Speaker 2: death scenes, oh god, in any movie, TV, film, video game, anything,
Speaker 2: I will start with a this.
Speaker 1: Look, this isn't some deep cut one. I'm sorry, guys.
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna be like Rosie, that wasn't deep
Speaker 1: guy enough. But I'm gonna go for the classic.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go for the babality, the Mortal Kombat babality.
Speaker 2: Everyone want to see it. When you become a baby.
Speaker 2: You know, that's some of the weirdest shit ever. And
Speaker 2: I'll never forget the first time I saw it and
Speaker 2: I was like, who a Baybaliti, Like, You're gonna turn
Speaker 2: into a baby that's like how you get killed.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a Babality super fan. I will also
Speaker 2: special mention for the Dark Knight Rises when Talia Algol
Speaker 2: dies and she's like this.
Speaker 3: Oh and it's like one of the it's like one
Speaker 3: of the worst death scenes of all time, but I
Speaker 3: watch it over and over again because Marianne cots Yard
Speaker 3: is like legit, like fantastic actor, but for some reason
Speaker 3: she decided to do the silliest death acting of all
Speaker 3: time in that and I love it.
Speaker 2: So I'm a dark I'm a Dark Knight Rises sup
Speaker 2: like super apologist. I think that movie is very fun
Speaker 2: and her death scene is up there for me.
Speaker 1: My favorite death scene, gosh, weird death scene. This is
Speaker 1: not a weird one, but it's just one that sticks
Speaker 1: with me. I'm gonna go with Jeff Daniels Harry in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four Speed when he realizes that he's about
Speaker 1: to get blown up by the bomb. He makes an
Speaker 1: indescribable face that just felt like the face that I
Speaker 1: would make. It just really for some reason stuck chord
Speaker 1: with me and continues to do so, where he just
Speaker 1: made a face that was like oh fuck, like fuck
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna get blown up, and and it just continued.
Speaker 1: I can see it in my mind's eye right now,
Speaker 1: and it continues to it continues to stick with me,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know what. The penis exploding. It
Speaker 1: was terrible and horrible, but also unforgettable. The penis exploding
Speaker 1: scene from Pugasm is truly terrible but also a thing that, yes,
Speaker 1: you will never forget. It was caused by a superpower
Speaker 1: that allowed a character to shrink and dive and dive
Speaker 1: in to the member of another character, and of course
Speaker 1: then they grew large and this is what happened. So
Speaker 1: it was really just like the penis that exploded, but
Speaker 1: significant other pieces.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I have to give Joel has called out
Speaker 2: in the chat like an unbelievable one when Judge Doom
Speaker 2: gets dipped and steamrolled in who framed Roger Rabbit? And
Speaker 2: that we definitely have to talk more about. We mustn't
Speaker 2: say about that who framed Roger Rabbit? Ride at Disneyland
Speaker 2: still there. I thought they got rid of it, but
Speaker 2: it's still there and I got to go on it
Speaker 2: and it was so good and weird and ten out
Speaker 2: of ten never get rid of that weird asked dark
Speaker 2: Ride Disney because it's really good.
Speaker 1: Next week, we're diving deep into the premiere episode of
Speaker 1: House of the Dragon on HBO Max and continuing our
Speaker 1: conversation about the Acolyte. That's it for this episode. Thanks
Speaker 1: for listening. Bye x ray Vision is hosted by Jason
Speaker 1: Kensumsion and Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our
Speaker 1: supervising producer is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen
Speaker 1: Laurent and Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.
Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Laude, Kenny Goodman
Speaker 2: and Heidi Our disco moderata