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Speaker 1: Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosey Night

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to X Revision, the podcast where we

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Speaker 1: dive deep your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture,

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Speaker 1: coming to you from my Heart podcast where we're bringing

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Speaker 1: you two episodes a week, every Tuesday and Thursday. Two.

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Speaker 1: That's two Tuesday and Thursday to tease three tea's in

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Speaker 1: that sense.

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Speaker 2: In this episode, it's all about the superpowered kids in

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Speaker 2: the airlock.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about Osha and May and everything.

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Speaker 2: Acolyte episode three, which has been a very controversial episode

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Speaker 2: in the previously on, we're going to be recapping season

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Speaker 2: three of The Boys as we prepare for a fourth

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Speaker 2: season following quite a few spin offs. That is not

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Speaker 2: quick though, it's not a quick previously on, Get your

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Speaker 2: popcorn out and get ready to relive all the mistakes

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Speaker 2: of all the adults in The Boys.

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Speaker 1: Add in Who's Who. It's our favorite weird deaths in

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Speaker 1: pop culture. But first the Acolyte. Okay, Acolyte episode three,

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Speaker 1: Destiny Insane, Wild episode just completely bonkers.

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Speaker 2: I loved it, but it's just a total game changer.

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Speaker 1: I loved it, but there is so much to talk

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Speaker 1: about and we've been, in fact talking intensely about it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we open on Brendoc. This is the home planet of

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Speaker 1: Osha and May. It is sixteen years before our story.

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Speaker 1: This wild planet is mostly unhabited except for a coven

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Speaker 1: of witches who, as we will see, our adept with

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Speaker 1: the force, which they call the Thread. It's very very

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Speaker 1: the fates, very the Greek fates.

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Speaker 2: They can manipulate the thread, and they believe in sharing

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Speaker 2: it with others rather than just using it as a

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Speaker 1: The coven, perhaps by agreement with the Jedi, also says

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Speaker 1: some kind of rule right, are supposed to not train

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Speaker 1: children in the ways of the Thread or the Force

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Speaker 1: or whatever, which is a problem because ocean May are

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Speaker 1: here and we meet them running around in the woods,

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Speaker 1: and Osha has a little butterfly perched on her finger,

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Speaker 1: and then May comes over and they're having a nice time,

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Speaker 1: and then May holds the butterfly with the force for

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Speaker 1: a little too long, And that is our first inkling

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Speaker 1: that these kids are really different, very different from each other.

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Speaker 2: But I do love that we have here the blue butterflies,

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Speaker 2: which have become a really important part of kind of

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Speaker 2: force law and force redemption. And also it's been a

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Speaker 2: while since we really got some kids who can talk

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Speaker 2: to animals, which is a big part of the Expanded Universe.

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Speaker 2: Also good to know that anyone who is good at that,

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Speaker 2: especially in the Expanded Universe, like Jason Solo who was

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Speaker 2: Hannen and Laya's son, usually ends up tanning towards the

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Speaker 2: dark side. It's a bit of a dark side, uh

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Speaker 2: you know, hint. So I thought this was a very

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Speaker 2: interesting open.

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Speaker 1: So the Coven's not supposed to have children force users,

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Speaker 1: and it's certainly not supposed to be training them. So

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Speaker 1: this is a problem because Saul Young Saul, part of

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Speaker 1: a Jedi party investigating a planet, has been following these

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Speaker 1: Mother an Assayu is the leader of the Coven of Witches.

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Speaker 1: Her partner, Mother Coral, are together the parents of the girls,

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Speaker 1: and as we shall see, in a way even more

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Speaker 1: in a real force kind of way. Coral tells Annasau

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Speaker 1: that the girls have snuck out of the hideout where

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Speaker 1: they might have been seen by the Jedi. We learn

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Speaker 1: that Osha in particular, is very independent minded and is

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Speaker 1: Anasayu needs to run the coven and parent the twins

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Speaker 1: Mother anasay You, we see how important multiple thread users

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Speaker 1: is we see two thread users rather easily rebuff a

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Speaker 1: force attack by Mother and I say you. And it's

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Speaker 1: very clear from this that the coven is adept at

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Speaker 2: Yes, And it does seem like this could be seen

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Speaker 1: Well, certainly the Jedi are interested, which is why they

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Speaker 1: the generators of the Fortress and something weird about them.

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Speaker 1: Mother Kral looks at them and gets kind of a

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Speaker 1: weird vibe about them. After training, Osha admits to Mother

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Speaker 1: and say that she doesn't want to do the ascension

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Speaker 1: ceremony which they're to do tonight, which will be their

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, Mother Anasayu has the girls hold hands.

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Speaker 1: She lectures them on the importance of the ascension and

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Speaker 1: clear that in this relationship, either May or Osha will

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Speaker 1: get their way and there's no other way about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's also interesting for us to get our

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Speaker 2: first look at what's it well really since the last Jedi,

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Speaker 2: because we did get a teaser of that, but what

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Speaker 2: does it look like if you can use the Force,

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Speaker 2: but you don't want to go to the Jedi academy

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Speaker 1: Not chosen, Like, what does that look like?

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Speaker 2: And this is a very interesting thing because Mother Anasayah

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Speaker 2: very interesting to kind of see that dichotomy.

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Speaker 1: Later, while preparing for the ascension ceremony, oh May argue again.

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Speaker 1: Osha again says she doesn't want to swear she doesn't

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Speaker 1: I don't want you to leave, and you're not leaving.

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Speaker 1: The ceremony begins, we learned that the coven has been persecuted,

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Speaker 1: likely by the Jedi, for delving into the dark side

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Speaker 1: of the forest. Well, the Jedi see is the doctors.

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Speaker 1: What the Jedi see is the dark side of the force.

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Speaker 1: At one point they were on the brink of extinction,

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Speaker 1: and then they discovered how to create light. This is

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Speaker 1: our first hint that the Sisters were created from the force.

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Speaker 1: May undergoes the ceremony, vows to protect the secrets of

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Speaker 1: like just straight up breaking, which is one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: not cool. No, the best way to deal with it

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Speaker 1: not the best way to deal with it. Feel like they're.

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Speaker 2: Immediately setting up a confrontational situation.

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Speaker 1: That's right, And the Jedi party is in Dara, Young Saul,

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Speaker 1: the Wookie, Jedi kil Knaka, and King Joffrey Barrathia I

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Speaker 1: mean Young Torbn, Sorry Taubn. I was so happy to

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Speaker 2: I was like, last time I saw you, you were

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Speaker 2: jumping out of a window. I'm so sorry, Rip, You're

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Speaker 1: So the Jedi have come to investigate whether they or

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Speaker 1: not the Covenant trading children, which is apparently against Republic law.

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Speaker 1: Brendock is not in the Republic, but nonetheless, the Jedi,

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Speaker 1: or whatever, believe that they have jurisdiction. And I will

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Speaker 1: say before we get into the deeper conversation. I think

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Speaker 1: this episode does a really great job of showing how

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Speaker 1: both sides both have a point, and both sides have

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Speaker 1: very glaring weaknesses, the Cleven and the Jedi.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I would agree, especially because this does lean into

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Speaker 2: our biggest critique of Yord, who I do know. I

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Speaker 2: just want to say, look, a lot of our discord

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Speaker 2: they love YOURD.

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Speaker 1: They're part of the hashtag.

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Speaker 2: Your so you know, I'm so happy for you guys.

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Speaker 1: I know you love YOURD.

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Speaker 2: But as we pointed out, he's a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a space cop in our opinion, and I do think

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Speaker 2: that this shows how he ended up that way, because

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Speaker 2: these Jedi did just kick the door in like they

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Speaker 2: part of the Republic.

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Speaker 1: And while the Jedi, I assume.

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Speaker 2: Believe they are working under the impression that they don't

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Speaker 2: and neither is the way that the Covenant are run.

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Speaker 1: Because the idea.

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Speaker 2: Of kind of forcing the kid to have to be

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Speaker 1: But and similarly to the Jedi, we know that Osha

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Speaker 2: Did they let Ocean leave because they're guilty about what

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Speaker 2: on Brendoc was clearly bad, as we know, Master Torben

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Speaker 1: So let's see, Osha is fascinated by the Jedi. And

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Speaker 1: here's like where I'm just like annoyed at the coven

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Speaker 1: and the kids. The kids are supposed to be secret. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the Jedi broke in, but like, let's do a little

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Speaker 1: better than just like standing in front of them, right, bedroom, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: do something coven, something like don't just like stand there

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Speaker 1: and then let them walk out and go meet the Jedi.

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Speaker 1: But that's what happens because OSHA's fascinated by the Jedi,

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Speaker 1: loves their robes, loves the lightsabers. She of course she

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Speaker 1: loves the lightsaber like that's cool as hell. She comes

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Speaker 1: we're we're very, very chill, and we're cool and cool

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Speaker 1: we are. Let's her hold the lace of which is

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Speaker 1: not insane. I'm sorry this is to do.

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Speaker 2: She killed everyone accidentally.

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Speaker 1: It's a child and Nun does so.

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Speaker 2: Like I will say, one thing I do think is

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Speaker 2: really interesting about the sequence is I kind of like

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Speaker 2: the idea that the Force works in mysterious ways. And

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Speaker 2: the reason that the Coven didn't do a better job

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Speaker 2: of hiding them is because May was supposed to, you know,

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Speaker 2: Osha was supposed to walk out, and that's what the

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Speaker 2: Force wanted. And I think there's something interesting that. But Soul,

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Speaker 2: please don't give her that gun. Yeah, a fan, don't

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Speaker 2: get ladies guns. I will pose this question to.

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Speaker 1: You, Yeah, discord. There's been quite a lot of anti

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Speaker 2: There are people who believe that Soul is quite creepy, almost,

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Speaker 1: your mind, they can do all these things, and you

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00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: just have to trust that they're not doing it. That's

432
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 1: not safe for anybody. So that's how I feel. I

433
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: feel like I feel about it. How there's a fictional

434
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: distance that I maintain, and I think one of the

435
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: cool things about this episode is it shows you the

436
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: weaknesses and the strengths of both sides, and what you'd

437
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: really love to happen is like these two communities come

438
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: together and talk about their philosophies and how better to

439
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: train kids so that they don't abuse their force powers,

440
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: which I don't think either side is doing.

441
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 2: No, neither of them is doing that. Okay, so let's

442
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: talk about the big question here. Did the Jedi do

443
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 2: something to I think they did something to make the

444
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 2: explosion happen, Like.

445
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: Whether whether on accident or on purpose, they did something.

446
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: They did something, because why is Torbin this guilty? That

447
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: either yeah?

448
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 2: And why did they Why do they all keep saying

449
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 2: to May like we thought we were doing the right thing,

450
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: Like what did you think was right? Like what was

451
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 2: the thing that was right, like taking Osha, because that

452
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: wouldn't have caused this problem.

453
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: Maybe it was going there now. There's been lots.

454
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: Of chatter in the discord, which I love about the

455
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: idea that May and Osha are a diad, or that

456
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: May and Osha were, as we were talking about before,

457
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: potentially one child that was split into two as almost

458
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: like manifestations, and the Jedi knew about that, they could

459
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: sense it, and they were sent there to you know,

460
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: imprison May or try and stop May. I'm very interested

461
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: to see where it goes.

462
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: Next week.

463
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 2: We're at are halfway points, so I think we're probably

464
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: gonna get This was.

465
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: A lot of law building.

466
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: I'm sure that we're going to probably end up back

467
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: in the present and maybe get a little bit more

468
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,479
Speaker 2: insight into what's going on with May and her master

469
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: and stuff. But yeah, I thought this episode was so great.

470
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 2: I love this expansion of the force, and I like that,

471
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: as you say, they didn't come in and be like,

472
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 2: here's this matriarchal, peaceful organization who just have done nothing wrong.

473
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: They were like, here's other people who are trying to

474
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: deal with the fact that there's this life changing, galaxy

475
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 2: altering power that certain people can use.

476
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: And how does that impact you when you're trying to

477
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, and it's just very interesting. I'm not

478
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: sure that training kids to be superpowered like balls of

479
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: Anger is necessarily the right thing to do on either side,

480
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: And I don't know what the answer is, but I

481
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: think that's what is so fascinating about this episode in

482
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: this show. Is it really like asks you to explore,

483
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: like what would you do? Like what is how do

484
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: you deal with something like this where where you're training

485
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: kids to be to use a power that is, uh,

486
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: you know, connects all living beings but can also like

487
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: twist the lives of other beings and is really really dangerous.

488
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: Very interesting.

489
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very interesting and also as well, you know,

490
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 2: the fact that we're saying like these kids were you know,

491
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: force created. Then it leads to the big question of

492
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 2: who taught mother Anasaya that are we going to get

493
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 2: some big connection to like a Darth Plagis or something

494
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 2: like that, or is this going to be more that

495
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 2: the Witches realized that they could utilize both sides of

496
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 2: the force to create something, I'm very interested to see

497
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: where that goes. I'm also interested because it never this

498
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 2: has been canon since you know, Revenge of the Sith

499
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: that you can create like a force life, but it's

500
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: never We've never seen it outside of the kind of

501
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: elite idea of like a Jedi bloodline. So I'm interested

502
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: to see kind of where this goes and what it

503
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 2: means for the biggest Star Wars universe.

504
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: Also interesting considering that the previous to this, the only

505
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: person that we know of who was created from the

506
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: force out of whole cloth who's Anakin Skywalker, which leads

507
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 1: us to the question of whether Shmi was a witch

508
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: or was a kind of thread user and untrained thread

509
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: you know who somehow instinctively did this.

510
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: That would actually be very interesting, right because it was

511
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: kind of one of the biggest critiques we always had

512
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: have of the Jedi is like they just come that

513
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: they leave all the slaves behind, They don't save anyone,

514
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: They just take the force us. But if they if

515
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: they knew or set that Shmi was kind of this

516
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: unregulated force use, so that could also explain why they

517
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: didn't have any interest in saving her, because they would

518
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,239
Speaker 2: almost see her as kind of a rule break. Even

519
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: though Qui gon Jin is kind of in the gray

520
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: Jedi like less binary Jedi space, that would be an

521
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: interesting addition to that canon.

522
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on what the Jedi are up to?

523
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: What did they do?

524
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: I my gut does say I think the Jedi purposefully

525
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: went there to kind of destroy the covern, not necessarily

526
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: kill them, but you know, the generators make it so

527
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: they couldn't live on Brendoc.

528
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: I do.

529
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: I also wonder if Venestra had some kind of knowledge

530
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: or has since found.

531
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: In the Jedi archives, because she keeps telling Soul.

532
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: Like keep it a secret, Like she's like she knows

533
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: that there's something that they shouldn't admit here. So I'm

534
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: very interested to know what it is and kind of

535
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: what the choices that they made.

536
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: Mike God, I can't help it. I just think.

537
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: I do think that the Jedi are inherently like almost

538
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: hoarding the Force.

539
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: I've always felt that way. It's why I love the

540
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: last Jedi so much.

541
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: So I do see them in a negative light in

542
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: this space, and I do believe that they had some

543
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: kind of knowledge of a diad or an extremely powerful

544
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: force user, and they were basically sent there to deal

545
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: with that problem in whatever way they chose to.

546
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: You know, I think that that is probably right. I

547
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: think that they came here probably to kill May. Yeah,

548
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: and we're hoping to I don't know if they were.

549
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: I think if you're going to take on the Coven overtly,

550
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: you send more than three Jedi, because I think what

551
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: we saw is the Coven could easily defend themselves against

552
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: against that smaller force. So I think they came here

553
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: to do something ominous and probably kill May, who they

554
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: suspect of being dark on her way to being a

555
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: dark Force usar.

556
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: I also wonder if the other option is that they

557
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: found out that there were kids who were force created

558
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: and they were messing wipe them out because they're not

559
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: really humans, so the Jedi don't see them that way.

560
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: They're just manifestations of the force. You've got to release

561
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: that force back into the galaxy or whatever. And the

562
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: reason that Soul got Osha to join the Jedi is

563
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: because he wanted to. He saw a potential to like

564
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: save a life, and he was kind of like, come, come,

565
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: just join the Jedi, like, and if you're in our team,

566
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: then we're not gonna, you know, destroy you, but because

567
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: he couldn't do the same for May that I think.

568
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't know about destroy, but I think they certainly

569
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: want to study. I mean, this is a huge deal, right,

570
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: creating life from the force that is unheard of at

571
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: this preculiar time and is unheard of later. So I

572
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: think that they certainly want to study this, and I

573
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: think they probably want to steal whatever method of doing

574
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: this the coven hair exactly. Yes, that's a good point. Okay,

575
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: up next, we're talking about the Boys. Yeah.

576
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: When we last left The Boys, Homelander had transformed from

577
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: a closeted racist, sexist, unchecked dog to a nationally celebrated,

578
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: unapologetic sexist racist training the next generation of assholes.

579
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: Hue took up a job at the Bureau of.

580
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: Superhero Affairs, but quickly learned that Congressman Victoria Newman, who

581
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: by the way, was the one we saw blowing up

582
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: everyone's heads, is actually the adopted daughter of CEO Stan

583
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: Edgar Shocking twist Billy Butcher. He's working with Queen May

584
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: to find our way to destroy Homelander, and this time

585
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: he is not fucking around.

586
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: He becomes addicted to Compound V.

587
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: Very bad, very bad drugs are bad kids, which gives

588
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: him a similar power set as his enemy Homelander with

589
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: laser eyes and bulletproof skin. We learn the Russians killed

590
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: Soldier Boy in a CIA sting operation gone wrong.

591
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: Rip French.

592
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: She uses his old Bosses connections to get the boys

593
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: into Russia, but doing so begins to see how similar

594
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: the butcher is to Little Nina. In exchange for the

595
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: crew getting into Russia, Kimiko must kill a gang rival

596
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: for Nina, and she chooses to do it with a

597
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: bunch of dildos. However, Kimiko does not want to be

598
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: a matter anymore, so she makes a deal with French

599
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: she to stop using her powers after this mission. Oh

600
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: that's that's what we call that growth.

601
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: Will it stick? I don't know.

602
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: While the team thinks they're looking for a superhero killing

603
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: weapon in Russia, they discover Soldier Boy is not only alive.

604
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: Bomb juiced with radiation, his new bomb like.

605
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: Powers not only killed but also neutralized powers. This means

606
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: Kimiko can't heal her wounds, and Huey learns Billy as

607
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: taking Compound V and decides he's gonna start taking it.

608
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, huie, this.

609
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: Is actually such an un real season for like, toxic

610
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: masculinity like they do with the boys is like so fucking.

611
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: Deep and an interesting too, Like, uh so, much of

612
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: the show to this point has been about like, the

613
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: Soups are bad, we must take them down. So how

614
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: do you transition into a world in which your two

615
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: protagonists are now soups, drug addicted soups? Meanwhile, exactly what

616
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: they've been fighting, that's right. Meanwhile, at Vought, Starlight is

617
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: hosting a superhero reality show to determine the newest member

618
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: of the Seven. It should have been Supersonic, Starlight's dreamy

619
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: boy band X, who would have sided with her in

620
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: her struggling Homelander. But Homelander. Homelander is not just a misogynistic, racist,

621
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: mass murdering superpowered superhero. He's also very very adept at

622
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: political infighting. He yes, I wish he was worse at something,

623
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: but unfortunately he's really good at everything, which is why

624
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: he's such an incredibly scary villain. He lets Sonic onto

625
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: the team, but surprise viewers and Starlight by bringing back Aqua,

626
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: I mean, the deep everybody's favorite compromised guy who is

627
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: in love with various deep sea creatures the deep to

628
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: prove his power, Homelander forces Kevin to consume this was

629
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: really sad to consume Franklin the Octopus, one of his

630
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: very closest companion creatures, in one of the most truly

631
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: one of the most disturbing scenes this offered by this

632
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: series or any series to date. A Train So Awful,

633
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: Really Bad. A Train struggles with the complexities of being

634
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: the only man of color on the team, with a

635
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: defective heart that will soon see him removed from the seven.

636
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: For now, he plays the shill, pretending to solve issues

637
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: of racial inequality with popular commercials shades of the Kardashians,

638
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: but you can see it like really bothering him. Determined

639
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: to do some real good, he forces Blue Hawk, who

640
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: has multiple street issues in which he has killed people

641
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: of color on the street, forces Blue Hawk to apologize.

642
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: The apology, which takes place at a community center that's

643
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: run by A Tran's brother, is half asked and the

644
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: community fights back, giving Blue Hawk the opening to do

645
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: the thing that he loves to do, which is murder

646
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: black people. A Train's brother is paralyzed in the attack

647
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: and blue Hawk walks away with zero consequences, just like

648
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 1: a train walked away after he ran through Hughey's girlfriend

649
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: and evaporated her. So A Trains got to get street

650
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: justice using his super speedy drags blue Hawk until blue

651
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: Hawk just turns into like a stump. This triggers a

652
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: train's massively damaged heart to give him a heart attack.

653
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: And while a train did kill blue Hawk, there was

654
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: enough of him left to give a train a new heart.

655
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: So now his murder victim's heart so fucked inside of

656
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: his chests. Meanwhile, the Deep scientology esque calls has gifted

657
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: him a new wife slash manager who quickly begins taking

658
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: over his life. Although she's very effective at rebranding him.

659
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: Poor Kevin tries to fit in, but he needed some

660
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: octopus loving and want to include his octopus girlfriend as

661
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: a third in the relationship. So his wife left wrote

662
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: a tell all book. I mean, who would stay? Who

663
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 1: would that? Said? The Deep needs therapy, very very very bad.

664
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: Continue out. She wrote a tell all book called Into Deep,

665
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 1: and once again the Deep has no one but himself

666
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: to blame from where his life is ended up. But

667
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: at least there are seven members on the team. Again.

668
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 1: Oh no, Homelander has discovered that starlight and play against him,

669
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: and he does what he does best, which is a

670
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: caven supersonic's head. And then there were six. Wow.

671
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: While they're trying to kind of sort the seven out,

672
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: CEO Stan Edgar wants his god back on her leash

673
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: and asks Victoria to take down Homelander. But Victoria has

674
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: been working with Homelander to get Compound V for her daughter,

675
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 2: so instead she launches an investigation into her father's misconduct.

676
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: You know what, Yeah, Victoria, she has no qualms. No,

677
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: she is fucking over everybody.

678
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: She's fucking over her dad.

679
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 2: She's fucking over the soups like she's sucking over the boys.

680
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: So in that investigation, Homelander becomes the head of War

681
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: because of how bad it makes Stan Edgar look, and

682
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: promptly fires all competent parties and replaces them with loyalists.

683
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: So you can see where this is going. Anna Surprise

684
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 2: Surprise quickly tanks the company.

685
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: Soldier Boy comes to America and, out for revenge, begins

686
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: killing off his old team members, the ones who sold

687
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: him to the Rush, where he endured years and years

688
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: of experimentation. Butcher makes a deal to help Soldier Wore

689
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: kill the rest of his former teammates. In exchange, Soldierboy

690
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: will help the Boys kill Homelander Q. Disturbingly, it's happened.

691
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: Hero gasm. Okay, herogasm happened. They made it. They actually

692
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: did it. One of the worst things to ever happen

693
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: in the pages of a comic book has been adapted.

694
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: Full of West Things, Full of a comic series, Lost Things.

695
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: It really is. You want to talk about a show

696
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: that the adaptation that is better than the than the

697
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: comic version, it is The Boys the show because the

698
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: comic book version it's it's truly like one of those

699
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: comics that I couldn't even finish it. It was terrible.

700
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the thing is, I think it's really funny

701
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: is a lot of people love the show and then

702
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: they're like, I'm gonna go read the comics, and I'm

703
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: always like don't. I'm like, don't do man, Sila, I didn't.

704
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: I interviewed Eric Kripkey, the show runner for the first season,

705
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: and I interviewed him a Hollywood Report about how they

706
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: were going to adapt the first issue because there's this

707
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: horrific scene where the starlet gets like horribly abused and

708
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: it's really played for laughs.

709
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: And the thought that.

710
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 2: Went into that writer's room and the amount of women

711
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 2: he had come in, and I was so impressed, and

712
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: that really set the tone for me on how this

713
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: show was going to be. And even though The Boys

714
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: is one of my most I'm not a fan of

715
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 2: that comic, let's put it that way. I was going

716
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: to say something more extreme, but it's just not for me.

717
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: If it's for you, that's it's not for me either.

718
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 2: But the show, the show is unbelievable, and I think

719
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: The Boys is a great example of the what you

720
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: can do when you have people who understand the medium,

721
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: understand the tropes, but aren't afraid to do something different.

722
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say I would put it the same way.

723
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: If it's for you, If The Boys is for you,

724
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: that that's fine. I would say the difference for people

725
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: who want to know the difference is The Boys the

726
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: comic is the tone is shock value, and yeah, it's

727
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 1: very edge lord, it's very edge lord. And to Rosie's point,

728
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: none of the terrible things that happen in it are

729
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: framed with any kind of thought to like lasting emotional

730
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: impact or you know, Exploration doesn't even have like a

731
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: the real this show that we're watching, and it plays

732
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: very much like a zine, like like I exact if

733
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: a kid made a zine and was kind of okay

734
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: that they wanted to like shock their friends. Yes, and

735
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: uh and it's just not for me. Yeah.

736
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is The Boys the TV show

737
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 2: still manage to have these shocking moments, but they're framed

738
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: way more thoughtfully and way less just like, Oh, I'm

739
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: gonna do something horrible to people of color or a

740
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: woman or whatever, which is very much the.

741
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: Boys a superhero.

742
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 2: We want to talk about the superhero orgy because they

743
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 2: did it in the show and it's fantastic they did.

744
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: It, so it's one of the notable events from the

745
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: comic series is Heirogasm, the annual orgy hosted by a

746
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: said of superhero twins and the various characters use their

747
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: powers in ways that are shocking. You see a poenix explode,

748
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff is gone, all kinds of stuff happening.

749
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: So the twins are located, Soldier Boy loses his shit,

750
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: he kills the twins. Then Butcher and Soldier Boy fight Homelander.

751
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: They overpower him, but they don't kill him. Annie, exhausted

752
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: from the games, turns to social media to state how

753
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: truly evil some of these superheroes are despite all the

754
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: pr and the branding that frames them as America's heroes.

755
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: Homelander predictably goes straight into intimidation mode, threatening Annie, but

756
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: forgot to ensure that she wasn't live streaming what was

757
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: happening with the old live stream for now everybody, the

758
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: veil has dropped. Everybody can see how awful he really is.

759
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: But if you call it fake news, some like the

760
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: man playing stepdaddy to mother mother's milk's daughter, will believe it.

761
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: And now the fans have been radicalized by what they've

762
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: seen there Like a butcher, Hue and Soldier Boy go

763
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: after Mesmer, who traps Butcher in a nightmare of his

764
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: abusive childhood, where we learned that Billy had to protect

765
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: his younger brother who clearly he sees hueiye as his

766
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: definitely is like a fill in. Mesmer has one secret.

767
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: It doesn't save his life, but it does open a

768
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: can of worms, and the secret is that Soldier War

769
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: is Homelander's father. Billy says, fuck that we've got killing

770
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: to do, and Soldier Boy kind of agrees to go

771
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: along with him. Okay, so we're back to now who

772
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: I will say if I have a critique of the Boys,

773
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: So we could always use more Kimiko.

774
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: But remember this is a character who in The Boys

775
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: was just called the woman.

776
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: I think.

777
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 2: So they're building a lot on yes nothing, so she

778
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: doesn't have powers, and she loves it so much that

779
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: she has a full on musical dream sequence, which I

780
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 2: feel like is really important because that definitely heavily influenced

781
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: the way that they could behave in gen V where

782
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 2: they did a lot more weird stuff. They had an

783
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 2: episode that was all puppetry. Like, I feel like this

784
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: is a great kind of creative moment. Little Nina is

785
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: displeased with the chaos the Boys have caused in Russia. Honestly,

786
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: I don't blame her. They're always called They're like Jessica

787
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: Fletcher from Murder. She wrote wherever they got killed. It's

788
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: like if Charles Xavier comes to your house and it's like,

789
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: can I stay at your house? I said no, I

790
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 2: don't want you can't come in here. I don't want

791
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: my family to die. We've seen what happens when you

792
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: come to someone's house, So the blame is actually laid

793
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: at Frenchie's feet. I love French, ye, I love FRENCHI

794
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: and Kimiko so sorry about that.

795
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: She orders him to kill.

796
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 2: A man and his daughter to make up for the clients.

797
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 2: Nina loss, do they do that anymore? Is that what

798
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: the boys do?

799
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: Well?

800
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: When French she refuses, Nina kidnaps Kimiko and Frenchie, nearly killing.

801
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: Them both, but they escape.

802
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: That's good, and Kamiko decides she needs to have her

803
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 2: powers to be safe.

804
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: Starlight has discovered.

805
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: Some notes on temp Vie and it turns out the

806
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: stuff is deadly after three.

807
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: Five, very very very dangerous and very fast.

808
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: So we've been watching Billy fucking pound these things all season,

809
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: so we know that's not good.

810
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: Billy decides that it's fine if I die.

811
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: But not baby brother Huey, so he knocks the kid

812
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: out stores him in a closet as he goes to

813
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: make his last stand against Homelander. Starlight finds Huey and

814
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: he apologizes for being a dick, but I'm like, bro,

815
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 2: it was a bit more than that. The team returns

816
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: to stop Billy's last stand less. The collateral damage destroy

817
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 2: the whole city. The insurance premiums are going up. Jason,

818
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: that's right.

819
00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: Homelander tragically killed his really his only friend, the only

820
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: person that he can could fide in the strangers. He's

821
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: at his back, the strange, the mysterious Black Black Noir

822
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: who was black under the mask and didn't want to

823
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: wear the mask in the comic. I believe Black Noir

824
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: is just a clone of Homelander, or Homelander was a

825
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: clone of Black More. Yeah, Soldierberg beats him until he

826
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: agrees to wear it, which means Black nor would have

827
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: helped Homelander kill Soldier Boy, but Black Noir kept Homelander's

828
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: lineage from him, and the deception proved too much for Homelander.

829
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: So now we're getting into the true family Shenanigans of

830
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: the boys.

831
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: Homeland is opening move against his dad.

832
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 2: Soldier Boy is introducing his son and being like.

833
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: This is your grant and son. Maybe you'll love him.

834
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: But Soldier Boy is like fucking embarrassed because he's very

835
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 2: toxic person who's been in stasis since like the twenties

836
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: or some shit, and he's embarrassed by his son's sensitivity.

837
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: It makes a move to kill him, but Ryan wants

838
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: to protect the only parental figure he has.

839
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: Left, so we blost Soldier Boy.

840
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: Billy cannot let the love of his life's child die,

841
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: So now Billy's fighting Soldier Boy. He's changing sides every second.

842
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: Queen Mayve shows up to quit kit homeland as Booty

843
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: and the rest of the.

844
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: Boys show up to duke it out Hugh.

845
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: He considers taking Compound V again, but instead turns on

846
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: all the studio lights, which supercharges starlight. That's a better

847
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: choice than taking Compound V. They pinned Soldier Boy down

848
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: and gas him, but he's about as he's about to explode.

849
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 2: May have sacrifices herself and toss his Soldier Boy out

850
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 2: the window. Homelander doesn't want to kill anyone else in

851
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: front of his son, so he and Billy land on

852
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: a temporary truth.

853
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: Now that seems that seems great. It's definitely like a

854
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: happy place to leave. Ah. Sorry, we haven't talked about

855
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: the end yet. That's right, happy ending for at least

856
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: one of our characters in this show. May have lived

857
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: faked her death. The radioactive explosion generated by Soldier Boy

858
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: did not do hour May if she's going off to

859
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: live with her girlfriend happily ever after, and please let

860
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: them go, Let go the lesbians live, come back, Let

861
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: them go. Soldier Boy also survived somehow and is now

862
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: in American custody. Annie decides to leave Starlight and the

863
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: Seven in your rearview mirror. She joins the Boys. The

864
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: team is whole. They've got seven members again. They've decided

865
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: to take God vice presidential nominee and serial killer head

866
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: exploorder Victoria Newman. Homelander introduces his son to his fanatics.

867
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: A counter protester throws a drink at his kids, which is,

868
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 1: why would you Why would you do that to drink

869
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: at the kids? I feel like truly one of the

870
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 1: mist What are we doing?

871
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,479
Speaker 2: Guy of course melts him in front of everyone live

872
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 2: on TV and.

873
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: His fans fucking they loved it, and then eat that shit,

874
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,479
Speaker 1: and so what happens. You get the now classic meme

875
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: of Homelander realizing that actually he could be as terrible

876
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: as as he wants to be and everybody will love it.

877
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: They will eat it up. And we move on to

878
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: the next season of the Boys, which will which will

879
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: premiere this week.

880
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: Ah that's so exciting. I just love this show so much.

881
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 2: I never expected to be such a fan of it,

882
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 2: but I always end up covering it every season.

883
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: I love it.

884
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: I've gotten to speak to the creative team like they're amazing.

885
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 2: I think it's so interesting. I also watched all of

886
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: Gen B, which I thought was like really fantastic.

887
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: Like for me, I probably liked it more.

888
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: Than the Core Boys season because I just love you

889
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: know what one. It's great, the writing's great, like it

890
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: has flaws, just like The Boys, but I just love

891
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: those characters. And everyone who listens to this podcast knows

892
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: if there is like a cute kid or like a

893
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 2: team of kids trying to do what they do best,

894
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 2: always in support of.

895
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: It, and jem V was very much like that. Also.

896
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 1: I think something that The Boys.

897
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: Has going for it right now is they are doing

898
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: a shared universe in a way that people care about

899
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 2: and actually like. Because GMV, some of the characters they

900
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 2: introduced from the school, they're gonna be in the next

901
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 2: season of The Boys. Yeah, and they just did that

902
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: like smooth. If you don't know them, they'll get introduced

903
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: in season four. If you do know them, that's very exciting.

904
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: To see them there. I would say, if.

905
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: You are a Boys fan and you haven't watched gen

906
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 2: V yet, I would watch it because I'm not gonna

907
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 2: spoil it. But there are some key plot points that

908
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: are gonna carry over to season four, and I've already

909
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 2: seen in the trailer that they're kind of talking about it,

910
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: So I'm really excited about it. I think every season

911
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 2: of The Boys gets better. I think the third season

912
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 2: was the best season so far, and I'm hoping we'll

913
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: continue with that. I'm very interested to see, like is

914
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: Homeland are going to run for president?

915
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: It feels like that's where they're going.

916
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm very excited to see. I know that

917
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: they've got The Boys Mexico spin off that they're gonna

918
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 2: do that has like Diego Luna and Gail Garcia banelas producers.

919
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 2: So if you like your Mama to Tambien, you're in luck.

920
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: Hopefully there'll be some gay kissing in this movie, a

921
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 2: little bit of a threesome action.

922
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: I believe it, and I think, you know, I think

923
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: that The Boys has done something and Amazon has done

924
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: something really interesting, which is kind of locked down this

925
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: superhero space where they're asking, you know, Okay, what would

926
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: people actually do if they were given this power? Knowing

927
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: what we know about human nature? Right, what would happen

928
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: if you gave twenty and thirty something people superpowers and

929
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: made them really famous? What would happen is they become awful? Yeah,

930
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: like truly awful people. And it's really compelling.

931
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: I think as well, one of the greatest things that

932
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: they've managed to do. I'm kind of surprised they've gotten

933
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 2: away with it, but I think it's why the boys

934
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 2: work so much. The very first season, they were basically like, well,

935
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,479
Speaker 2: the MCU exists, so let's just see what it would

936
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: be like if it.

937
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: Wasn't just fictional. Yeah, Like, and I think people love that.

938
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: I think people love being able to see the analogies

939
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 2: between like Soldier and Captain America and like Wonder Woman

940
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 2: and Queen Mayve, and and seeing the way that these

941
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 2: archetypes could be used in a real world scenario. And

942
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 2: I actually love it because one of the things about

943
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 2: the MCU is it was based on you know, the

944
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: Ultimates comics, which we obviously you know know, and that

945
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: was a huge moment in comics history, which means they're

946
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 2: more grounded, but they never really ask like what would happen?

947
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 2: They try and present them in a grounded world that

948
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: we love, and it makes you know, Robert Downey Junior

949
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: iron Man is such an iconic reimagining of the character

950
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 2: because of that.

951
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: But this is like, what if it happened in our world,

952
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: not like six on six, not whatever fantasy movel world.

953
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 2: What if the same place where Trump said I could

954
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 2: kill people in the street and like, yeah, people would

955
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 2: still vote for me?

956
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: What if he had superpowers? That's basically where we're at.

957
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: And also, yeah, well if you had laser eyes.

958
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: Also, we do have to say something really funny about

959
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: this season, which was this season like sparked a lot

960
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 2: of discourse with people who had watched this show.

961
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: And were like, wait, Homelanders the bad guy. Wait, hold

962
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: on a set, They're like, he seems great. Wait a second,

963
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: Homelander's bad Are you serious? Homelanders the villain of that?

964
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: That was truly, honestly, I I I am not surprised

965
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: by much anymore, but that was surprising to me that

966
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: there was like a dedicated group of boys fans who

967
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: were just like spun around all of a sudden. This

968
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 1: is after this is after three seasons of the show.

969
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: This is after like the previous season where Homelander was

970
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: like in love with like a super neo Nazi lady,

971
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: like who was literally a Nazi from then the first

972
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: like Nazi. Yeah, like a real one, and they were like,

973
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: wait did they get is very so bad? He's the

974
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: bad guy.

975
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: Bro am I gonna get to see him be even

976
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: more bad next season of The Boys, which comes out

977
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 2: this week. Okay, so every episode we like to finish

978
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 2: with a fast paced little chat, and this one is

979
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: gonna be Who's who And it's gonna be favorite weird

980
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 2: death scenes, oh god, in any movie, TV, film, video game, anything,

981
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 2: I will start with a this.

982
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: Look, this isn't some deep cut one. I'm sorry, guys.

983
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna be like Rosie, that wasn't deep

984
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: guy enough. But I'm gonna go for the classic.

985
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go for the babality, the Mortal Kombat babality.

986
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 2: Everyone want to see it. When you become a baby.

987
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 2: You know, that's some of the weirdest shit ever. And

988
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: I'll never forget the first time I saw it and

989
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: I was like, who a Baybaliti, Like, You're gonna turn

990
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 2: into a baby that's like how you get killed.

991
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: I love it.

992
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a Babality super fan. I will also

993
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 2: special mention for the Dark Knight Rises when Talia Algol

994
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 2: dies and she's like this.

995
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 3: Oh and it's like one of the it's like one

996
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 3: of the worst death scenes of all time, but I

997
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 3: watch it over and over again because Marianne cots Yard

998
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 3: is like legit, like fantastic actor, but for some reason

999
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 3: she decided to do the silliest death acting of all

1000
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 3: time in that and I love it.

1001
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,479
Speaker 2: So I'm a dark I'm a Dark Knight Rises sup

1002
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 2: like super apologist. I think that movie is very fun

1003
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 2: and her death scene is up there for me.

1004
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: My favorite death scene, gosh, weird death scene. This is

1005
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: not a weird one, but it's just one that sticks

1006
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: with me. I'm gonna go with Jeff Daniels Harry in

1007
00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four Speed when he realizes that he's about

1008
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: to get blown up by the bomb. He makes an

1009
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: indescribable face that just felt like the face that I

1010
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: would make. It just really for some reason stuck chord

1011
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: with me and continues to do so, where he just

1012
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 1: made a face that was like oh fuck, like fuck

1013
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna get blown up, and and it just continued.

1014
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: I can see it in my mind's eye right now,

1015
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: and it continues to it continues to stick with me,

1016
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: and I think, you know what. The penis exploding. It

1017
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: was terrible and horrible, but also unforgettable. The penis exploding

1018
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: scene from Pugasm is truly terrible but also a thing that, yes,

1019
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: you will never forget. It was caused by a superpower

1020
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: that allowed a character to shrink and dive and dive

1021
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: in to the member of another character, and of course

1022
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: then they grew large and this is what happened. So

1023
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: it was really just like the penis that exploded, but

1024
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: significant other pieces.

1025
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I have to give Joel has called out

1026
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: in the chat like an unbelievable one when Judge Doom

1027
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 2: gets dipped and steamrolled in who framed Roger Rabbit? And

1028
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 2: that we definitely have to talk more about. We mustn't

1029
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 2: say about that who framed Roger Rabbit? Ride at Disneyland

1030
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 2: still there. I thought they got rid of it, but

1031
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: it's still there and I got to go on it

1032
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 2: and it was so good and weird and ten out

1033
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 2: of ten never get rid of that weird asked dark

1034
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: Ride Disney because it's really good.

1035
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: Next week, we're diving deep into the premiere episode of

1036
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: House of the Dragon on HBO Max and continuing our

1037
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: conversation about the Acolyte. That's it for this episode. Thanks

1038
00:57:53,080 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: for listening. Bye x ray Vision is hosted by Jason

1039
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: Kensumsion and Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

1040
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our

1041
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: supervising producer is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen

1042
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: Laurent and Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

1043
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Laude, Kenny Goodman

1044
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 2: and Heidi Our disco moderata