1 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are backing normally, so we normally taking 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: for wedda the news just weird. 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: Kathrin am awful week of being very normy by checking 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: out of the news. 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: I love checking out of the news. I am Carol Markowitz. 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: We held down the fort here at normally while Mary 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: Katherine was you know, touching grass, living her life whatever. 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: Bridget Fetesy filled in on Wednesday and she did a 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: fantastic job. 10 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: I mean gonna be hard to top her. 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: Thanks a lot for jea welcome back, Mary Catherine. She 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: also celebrated Mary Catherine celebrated her birthday over the weekend 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: on Easter Sunday and wrote a really beautiful post on 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: X about it, and you should definitely go check it out. 15 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Mary Catherine. 16 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I had a lovely day with 17 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: my family. 18 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: It was a wild weekend. It was really a lot 19 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: going on your birthday Easter Sunday, and then of course 20 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: the rescue of the down F fifteen weapons systems officer. 21 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: The pilot was of course rescued right away on Friday. 22 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: And then the weapon systems officer are a wizzo, as 23 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: I'm told he is called on the Google was missing 24 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: for twenty four hours plus, and it was really touch 25 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: and go on X whether or not he was recovered, 26 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: and we were all obviously holding our breath and very afraid. 27 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: But we woke up on Sunday morning to news from 28 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: the White House saying he had been you know, found 29 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 1: and was alive and was on his way home. 30 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: Ah, you're saying he was lost on Good Friday and 31 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: found on Easter Sunday. Crazy, what a story I was. Again, 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: I was sort of checked out and clued into the 33 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: end of this story, so I missed the suspense in 34 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: the middle, which without that it is astounding what our 35 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: military is capable of astounding. We have these. 36 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: Super fan haters on X, which I appreciate so much. 37 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: I really do think it's the haters that keep us going. 38 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: But we got some comments like why haven't you and 39 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: I commented on him while he was missing, and for me, 40 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: I was holding my breath and praying, And that's why 41 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: I wasn't going to comment on something that I was 42 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: hoping played out in a positive fashion and was praying 43 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: real hard that it wasn't going to play on in 44 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: a negative fashion. So what was I supposed to comment on? 45 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: You were you know, again touching the grass. 46 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: Also, this is such an interesting reaction from people, and 47 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: we're going to go through the details of this rescue. 48 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: But in the moment where one of our service members 49 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: is lost in a foreign and hostile country we don't 50 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: know where and possibly could be dead, I'm like you, Carol, 51 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 2: I'm just praying that this person is returned safely, and 52 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: we know that the stakes are high. There was an 53 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 2: interesting moment from Tim Kaine, who is my Virginia senator, 54 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: a Democrat, who tweeted, we are trying to rescue a 55 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 2: downed American and around excess excess boasts about no quarter, 56 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: no mercy at acting stupid rules of engagement. I mean, 57 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 2: we have to hope that Iran follows the humanitarian laws 58 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: that US leaders now dismiss. Okay, right, So he's mad 59 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: that the guy has lost, except he's mostly mad about politics, 60 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: it sounds like. And then Guy Benson points up, no 61 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: update has senator? Is this a disappointing outcome for you, Renny? 62 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: And he's also assuming that Iran is going to be 63 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: humanitarian towards our guy. 64 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: Or that followed rules. 65 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, like Iran pays for hamas have you seen what 66 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: Hamas did to the people that they captured on October seven. 67 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: You think that they're going to get our down officer 68 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: and treat him nicely, and they might not because of 69 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: Pete Hegseth like being blustery. 70 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: Come on, no, it's it's a ridiculous point of view. 71 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: And I one of the things I love about being 72 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: conservative is that I can have uncomplicated and joyful feelings 73 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: about the birth of babies, about America being great, and 74 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: about American military dominance, and a pilot and other the 75 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 2: weapon services we excuse me, weapons systems officer being rescued 76 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 2: in valiant style from hostile territory. I have uncomplicated, excited, joyful, 77 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: glad feelings about that. 78 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: It's really funny that you say that, because I also 79 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: noticed that the whole you know, woke right, whatever you 80 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: want to call them, they are clearly having these complicated 81 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: feelings where just recently, when they were firmly on the 82 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: right and they were normal, they wouldn't have been even 83 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: if they didn't support the mission in Iran, they would 84 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: understan in that getting the officer back would be amazing 85 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: and like a moment of joy. And they're just so 86 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: perplexed and confused about where they're supposed to be. I mean, 87 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: Joe Kent shared a nonsense post from drop site which 88 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: is like this Russian propaganda paid site, quoting Iranian propaganda 89 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: that claimed that the US was trying to kill the 90 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: lost pilot, and he was like, and I pray for 91 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: his recovery. Well, which is it is the US trying 92 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: to kill the pilot or are you hoping for his recovery? Like? 93 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: What are you sharing here? And I think that confusion 94 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,679 Speaker 1: is really obvious in a lot of people. They don't 95 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,119 Speaker 1: know what they're supposed to feel anymore because they are 96 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: rooting against the mission, they're rooting against the president, and 97 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: the rooting against the country. 98 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's hard. I don't want to mince words 99 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: about it, because it seems fairly obvious that that's what's happening. 100 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: That for someone like Kane, who may have updated in 101 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 2: the meantime, but did not update quickly and excitedly about 102 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: this for Kane, and it was ideologically inconvenient and politically 103 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 2: inconvenient that this didn't turn out badly. Right now, there 104 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: are some also who say it did turn out badly 105 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 2: because you lost an aircraft and then you lost two 106 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: other aircraft leaving you had to spend all this. Yeah, 107 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 2: we spend all of that to get one airman back. 108 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 2: That's what we do, right. Yeah. 109 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: It's just the last few days have been like being 110 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: in a super patriotic movie. I mean, in fact, the 111 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: whole Trump administration so far has been, for me, very 112 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: patriotic movie. 113 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 2: Coded. 114 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: You just feel like raw, raw America in so many 115 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: different ways, and it's just it's been amazing to watch. 116 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: I think that people don't get that we would have 117 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: rooted for the same outcome if Joe Biden was president. 118 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: I remember being devastated about what happened in Afghanistan to 119 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: lost military members there, and had that gone successfully, I 120 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: would have been happy, and it wouldn't have been hard 121 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: to be happy. It's not what we do. We root 122 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: for our servicemen and women, we root for our country. 123 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: It's not that complicated. 124 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: I think we have a longish clip from Trey Yanks 125 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: reporting from the Middle East about this operation, and it's 126 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: going to give you about three minutes of explanation, but 127 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: I feel like we need it and we want it, 128 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: so take it away. Trey. 129 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 3: It was a daring rescue operations. Sources both in the 130 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 3: United States and here in Israel have described it to 131 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 3: Fox News as one for the history books. We can 132 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: exclusively report. It was on Saturday morning that the CIA 133 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: was able to confirm and locate the missing airmen. 134 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: The CIA was. 135 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 3: Concerned that this was a trick by the Iranians to 136 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 3: try and lure in US special forces and attack them. 137 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: But once they were able to use advanced technology to 138 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 3: confirm not only that this was the identity of the airmen, 139 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: but also the location, that message was delivered to the 140 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 3: Secretary of War and the Joint Chiefs Chairman and ultimately 141 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 3: the President, I am told by a senior US official. 142 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: You look at the timeline here. It was late Thursday 143 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 3: night into Friday when that F fifteen E fighter jet 144 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 3: was shot down over the skies of southwestern Iran. The 145 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 3: pilot of that jet was recovered on Friday by US 146 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: special forces, but that weapons systems officer had to spend 147 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 3: up to two days evading Iranian capture. They activated that 148 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 3: emergency beacon. It was confirmed by the CIA, who at 149 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 3: the same time was running the deception campaign, and then 150 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 3: ultimately it was the President, I am told who made 151 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 3: the decision, and within twelve hours there were US forces 152 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 3: on the ground inside of Iran conducting the rescue mission. 153 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 3: As it relates to the CIA deception campaign, I am 154 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 3: told by a senior US official, the CIA leaked through 155 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 3: multiple sources that they were trying to move a valuable 156 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: package out of the country through a maritime xfil This 157 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 3: was meant to draw the Iranians away from the area 158 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 3: where the US crew member was located. I'm told that 159 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 3: deception campaign worked coupled with the fire from the air 160 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 3: and those drones targeting anyone who approached this area. There 161 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: was that major concern as the clock was ticking and 162 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: they were searching for this missing US crew member. Now 163 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 3: the Wall Street Journal Today is reporting the complex mission 164 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 3: quickly ran into problems, officials said. As the US redirected 165 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 3: aircraft in the region to help with the mission, some 166 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 3: planned targets, including missile launcher sites, were left untouched that 167 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 3: allowed around to fire more weapons than usual in recent days. 168 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 3: Officials said. The first attempt to rescue the airman had 169 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 3: to be aborted. Two eight six helicopters took small arms 170 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 3: fire from the ground, wounding the crews in both aircraft 171 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 3: and requiring them to land safely in Kuwaiti airspace. Now, 172 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 3: as this was taking place, the Israelis were watching closely 173 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 3: and coordinating behind the scenes. Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Ett 174 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: Yahoo said this overnight quote. I spoke earlier with President 175 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: Trump and personally congratulated him on his bold decision and 176 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: a perfectly executed American mission to rescue the down pilot 177 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 3: from enemy territory. The President expressed his appreciation for Israel's help. 178 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: I am deeply proud that our cooperation on and off 179 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: the battlefield is unprecedented and that Israel could contribute to 180 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 3: saving a brave Ama American warrior. So Bill and Dana, 181 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 3: this speaks to the coordination not only between the Americans 182 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 3: and the Israelis. 183 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: But also the US military. 184 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 3: I spoke with sources here and they said the credit 185 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 3: belongs to the US military. This was what they described 186 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 3: as an excellent coordinated operation to use the willpower and 187 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 3: the fighting force of US Special Forces, coupled with the 188 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: intelligence apparatus of the United States to go deep into 189 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 3: enemy territory with more than one hundred US Special Forces 190 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 3: and rescue this F fifteen crew member over the weekend. 191 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: It's just so amazing. I can't get over what a 192 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: complicated operation it was and how flawlessly it was executed. Again, 193 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: the idea that we lost planes or something, This is 194 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: what we do to get our guide back. This is 195 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: what America is. We've sort of forgotten that. And I look, 196 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: no one is more surprised than me that it's Donald 197 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: Trump bringing it all back to us and making us 198 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: feel like we're in like Iron Eagle or Top Gun. 199 00:10:58,280 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: But here we are. 200 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: You know, this guy Paul and laterner on X posted 201 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, has given us some iconic images and 202 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: he posted a picture of Jack Hughes with the American 203 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: flag and I Artemis taking off. And then Jesse arm 204 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: who's at the Manhattan Institute, he posted missing two of 205 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: my favorites, and it was a police officer jumping over 206 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: the fence to stop the bombers in New York City. 207 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: And then also Maduro on the plane back to the US. 208 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: Those four images, and it's only April. It's just it 209 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: hasn't been that long. It's just incredible year. Our two 210 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: hundred and fiftieth year feels so insanely pro America and 211 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: just patriotic. My kids are like, you're always saying that 212 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: you're very patriotic, but I have extra patriotic right now. 213 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: No, I mean again, it is so fun to be 214 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: excited about these moments. That's to be excited about this, 215 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: to hear about a man who is perhaps you know, 216 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 2: near death, hiking a seven thousand foot cliff line to 217 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: hide himself and use the proper technology and all of 218 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 2: his training to make sure that Americans can find him 219 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 2: while the Iranians cannot find him. The CIA working in 220 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: tandem with the military and doing what it's supposed to do, 221 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 2: the military doing perfectly what it's supposed to do. And 222 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: then there are people who say, like, oh, you think 223 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: this is a success. You lost these two guys over 224 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 2: hostile territory, and then they were extracted using all this money, 225 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: and you had to blow up to sea one thirties 226 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 2: on the way out because they stalled and you didn't 227 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: want to give them over to the enemy. One, if 228 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 2: you're spiritually American, you understand that of course that's what 229 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: we do. We do no man left behind. We like, 230 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: this is what we do. Two. I would just like 231 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 2: to remind everyone that seventy plus aircraft were left at 232 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: Bagram in Afghanistan seventy plus. Yeah, aircraft, that doesn't even 233 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: count all the other things. Okay, and some of them 234 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: were disabled, but like, what are these people doing running 235 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: down in operation that rescues an American hero without casualties 236 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 2: except for the C one thirty. By the way, this 237 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 2: is another marker of our greatness and prosperity that we 238 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 2: have an air force that has many, many, thousands of planes. 239 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: We're not like Britain with seventy nine. 240 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what the actual number it is, you 241 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, right, somebody posted like, yeah, it's 242 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: because this is not our entire air force, like it's yours. 243 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: But this is like the people over things thing that 244 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: you tell your children, like in a fire or in 245 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: a dangerous situation, don't care about your things, don't care 246 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: about anything but people. You save the people. This on 247 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 1: a larger scale is what we're all about, and it's important. 248 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: It's an important lesson. You don't want to be the 249 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: kind of people who won't save your fellow countrymen because 250 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: you're afraid to lose a plane. Who cares about that plane? 251 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: Lose all the plane and get the person back. 252 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: By the way, when you are acting as a normy 253 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: who's checked out of the news cycle, and you check 254 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: back in for the glorious rescue of this person. And 255 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 2: then someone tells you and it eventually dawns on you 256 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 2: that people are having a negative reaction to this. Your 257 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: normy brain goes, I'm sorry, what right? How? How? 258 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: How So Thursday and Friday we're passover, the first two 259 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: nights to pass over, so Orthodox Jews were offline. I 260 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: am not Orthodox, I was very much online. And then Saturday, 261 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: obviously is another day that Orthodox Jews are offline. So 262 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: it's three days of Orthodox Jews being offline. Ron Coleman 263 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: comes back on on Saturday and says, what did I miss? 264 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: Redste's sums it up for him. He's like, blue Sky 265 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: thinks Trump is at Walter Reed, which is another insane 266 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: gosh all, Like he is hospitalized for sure. He hass 267 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: not golfing today. Therefore he is in the hospital dying 268 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: right now. It's like we're at war, we're missing one 269 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: of our officers, like he is working on it. I 270 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: don't have to love Donald Trump, you don't have to 271 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: care about him. 272 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: Don't be crazy. 273 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: Anyway, Red Ste's Blue Sky thinks Trump is at Walter 274 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: read no one knows if the down pilot was rescued 275 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: or not, not the pilot but the weapons officer and 276 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: now or not thanks to slap engagement accounts. And the 277 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: Artemis shitter is out of order again, which, well. 278 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: That's Artemis in the next segment. No, it's I just 279 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: am am blown away by several operations. I mean Midnight Hammer, 280 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: the first bombing run and Iran the Venezuela extraction of Maduro. 281 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: And this all three done without loss of personnel, which 282 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: is shocking. Yeah, and that that doesn't that doesn't dismiss 283 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: that there have been personnel that have been lost in 284 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: other parts of the Iranian engagement. But to do those 285 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 2: three things, yeah, so close to absolutely flawlessly. 286 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 287 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 2: Again, having been betrayed by so many institutions over the 288 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: past fifteen years or so, it is inspiring to see 289 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: them work this way exactly. 290 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: And look, this is airing on Tuesday, which Donald Trump 291 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: has declared power Plant and Bridge Day in Iran. 292 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: Speaking of Donald Trump's special qualities, I would have appreciated 293 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 2: a different kind of Easter post. Just one out there, 294 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 2: thanks sir. 295 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: So he posted Tuesday will be Powerplant Day and Bridge 296 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: Day all wrapped and won, and Iran, there'll be nothing 297 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: like it. 298 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: Open the f and. 299 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: Straight you crazy bastards are you've been living in hell? 300 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: Just watch Praise Be to Allah President Donald J. Trump. 301 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: A lot of people didn't like it, even a lot 302 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: of my conservative friends didn't like it. I like it. 303 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: I don't care. I like it. He comes off as 304 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: absolutely batshit crazy, and Iran does not know what to 305 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: expect from him, Like, who knows what this guy is 306 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: going to do? He can have power Plant Day and 307 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 1: Bridge Day beyond Monday. They don't know what's coming. 308 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: Is Praise be to Allah the new Thank you for 309 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 2: your attention to this matter. Maybe no, the cultivation of 310 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 2: the Madman theory overseas certainly is helpful, and the ongoing 311 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: threat to the straight off her moves into the world 312 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 2: economy is of course perilous. It is why you know. 313 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 2: I think Donald Trump is convinced to continue fighting to 314 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 2: get some kind of agreement from whoever is the last 315 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 2: man standing after we continue to lop off people from 316 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: the top of the regime. I did to hear some 317 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: reports about this rescue that locals were helpful by protecting 318 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 2: the area, that this American had hidden himself, which is 319 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 2: again inspiring, because this is one of those situations where 320 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: the country that we're bombing, many of the people inside 321 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: the country were bombing are very happy, in fact, happier 322 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 2: that we're doing it than Americans are in some cases. 323 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: But I do think, you know, we're still in the 324 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 2: what comes next phase and he's trying to communicate to 325 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 2: whoever's left in charge, right, we will continue. 326 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm crazy, don't mess with us, like is the communication, 327 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: and I'm mostly here for it. Really. Look, I don't 328 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: always love the Trump crazy tweets. In fact, I barely 329 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: often do, not especially on holidays and times the. 330 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: Holiday ones get me. I'm like, can we just do 331 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 2: two separate ones, the crazy one and the normal. 332 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: I'm just a regular one. But I like this and 333 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: I think we're It sends a you don't know what 334 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: to expect from me message about the Strait of hermos 335 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: I read this interesting thing that I just wanted to 336 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: share with our listeners. Antonio Garcia Martinez was a really 337 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: great follow on x He tweeted a research port about 338 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: the the Strait of her Moos. Here's what he writes. 339 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: Hilarious on the ground reporting from the strait of her moves, 340 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: showing way more ships transitting than commonly believed. Because everyone 341 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: is believing the AIS transponder data, the fishing boats fifty 342 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: miles off the Oregon coast turn off their AIS to 343 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: avoid disclosing their best spots. I had to sail through 344 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: them at night and discover the hard way. A lot 345 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: of people manage lots of money, and I've never spent 346 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: a day at sea. I have never spent a day 347 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: at sea, so I do not know what the AIS 348 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: transponder data, whether it's real or how it works or whatever. 349 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: But apparently there are more ships going through than we 350 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: are led to believe. 351 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, I have heard that from several people. And 352 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 2: I have spent, you know, several days on a bass 353 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 2: boat in my life, so I think that I love it. 354 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: My favorite song right now is bass Boat by Zach Ryant. 355 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: Very very good. All right, We're going to take a 356 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: short break and be right back with. 357 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 2: More American greatness. 358 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: America, America all the way, America all the time. Be 359 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: right back. We are back on normally where in a 360 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: few minutes when we're recording this, the Artemis is going 361 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: to round the moon? Is that am I saying that correct? America? 362 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 2: I think that's correct. 363 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: Okay, it's been incredible. I'm not a space person. I'm 364 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: really I have never been like super fascinated by space. 365 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: But I am all in on all of these people. 366 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: The four of them are just amazing and magical and hilarious, 367 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: and I can't get enough. 368 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: They are great. I am a Victor Glover fangirl, and 369 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 2: I only regret that I have not spent many more 370 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 2: years being a Victor Glover fangirl, because apparently I could 371 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: have earlier, and I just missed it. I again was 372 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: a little bit checked out, and my husband luckily flagged 373 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 2: this for the kids and me and said, like, come 374 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: watch the launch now. I will say I am of 375 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 2: the exact age as you are as well, probably although 376 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: you had just come to America maybe around this time. 377 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 2: I'm of the exact age to be very traumatized by Challenger, 378 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: and so watching a rocket launch does not feel as 379 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 2: magical to me, I think, as too many other people. 380 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: Yeah hold my breath for sure. I mean yeah, I'm right, very. 381 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 2: Nervous about it. So but I came up to watch 382 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: with my kids and I wanted to experience it and 383 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 2: then I think, perhaps because of Challenger, I'm not that 384 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 2: interested in space. It scares me. I have no desire 385 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 2: to go. I'm not a person who wants to be 386 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 2: on Blue Origin at all. No, thank you, Jeff Bezos, 387 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: if you were looking into me, I'm gonna no. I 388 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,959 Speaker 2: don't want to do it. I have no desire, but 389 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 2: I like that other people do. I'm excited that they 390 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 2: do that me too. However, then you, like you said, Carol, 391 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 2: you start digging into this and just the absolute beautiful 392 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: enormity of it, and the character of these people who 393 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 2: are on this craft and the dangerous thing they're doing, 394 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: and they're beautiful families. And also this came. I looked 395 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 2: back at the Jared Isaacman timeline, and I don't remember 396 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 2: if you and I talked about this on normally, but 397 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: he's his nomination to NASA Administrator administrator was a little 398 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 2: bit hinky for this reason. So he was nominated really early, 399 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 2: when like right after Trump took office, like in December 400 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty, or right after he was elected, before 401 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 2: he was even in office. He was on the list early, 402 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 2: and then he got knocked off the list later in 403 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: April or May of twenty twenty five because of the 404 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 2: fight that Elon and Trump got in because Isaacman was 405 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: close to Elon and he had donated to some Democrats 406 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 2: in the past, and Trump was like, nah, I'm not 407 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 2: with him. So he's out. Duffy ends up stepping in 408 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 2: as acting NASA administrator and maybe wanting to fold it 409 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 2: into Department of Transportation, and a bunch of space guys 410 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 2: were like, no, no, no, let's not do that. Let's get 411 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 2: Isaacman back in. So Isaacman comes back to talk to 412 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 2: try at the end of twenty twenty five, and he's 413 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 2: renominated in December of twenty twenty five, at which point 414 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 2: Trump says, the day he's voted on and confirmed, we're 415 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: going to the Moon by twenty twenty eight, and then 416 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 2: how many months later, four months later, they're on their 417 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 2: way to the distance of the Moon. Yeah, with a 418 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 2: plan to be back on the Moon in twenty thirty. 419 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: And I just think that's that's. 420 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: Amazing, It's incredible. I you know, my youngest son is 421 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: super into this. He's the sport do you want to 422 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: talk about. He's just not the one I thought would 423 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: be like obsessed with this, but he cannot get enough. 424 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: He wants to see every video, he wants to see 425 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: every picture, he wants to hear every story about the astronauts. 426 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: And I'm like, do you want to be an astronaut? 427 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: He's like, not at all, but this is really cool. 428 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: He's pinn so you know, he was like, I want 429 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: to be an astronaut. That would be totally normal. But 430 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: he's like, no, thanks, I just want to watch from here. 431 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 2: Well, and I just think like Isaacman specifically has been 432 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: involved in commercial spaceflight. He's been to space a couple 433 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: of times. He came into NASA with a desire to 434 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 2: restructure and make things work efficiently and in concert with 435 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 2: private companies, and the fact that we're probably going to 436 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 2: have people on the moon before Newsom creates a mile 437 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 2: of high speed rail, like just. 438 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 439 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 2: Again, having been betrayed by many institutions and thinking the 440 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 2: government is generally kind of crappy in so so many ways, 441 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: it's nice to see these things happen. 442 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: Well. Success is really amazing to see. And again, would 443 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: you and I have been rooting for this any less 444 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: if Joe Biden was president, no president, we would be 445 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: just as excited that this artemist two crew are going 446 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: to be the first people ever to see the dark 447 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: side of the moon. Like, that's crazy, that's amazing, that's 448 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: us doing it. We're so awesome, Like, how could you 449 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: not love this country? How could you not love our 450 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: ambitions and the way that we want to do everything. 451 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: It's just it's awesome to be an American. I would 452 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: have felt the exact same way if a Democrat were president. 453 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: The fact that a Democrat is not president is neither 454 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: here nor there to me. It's just amazing to see 455 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: this happen. Well, Donald Trump deserves the credit he does. 456 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: He does. And by the way, part of the NATO discussion, 457 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 2: as Trump got mad about NATO allies not letting us 458 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 2: use bases and airspace, I think warranted. Some of the 459 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: conversation came from Europeans saying basically like, look look at 460 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 2: the audacity of these people, like we run it down, 461 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 2: we make fun of it, we hold it in contempt 462 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: while they protect us. 463 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: But look at what they're doing, right, And that's those 464 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: are our Europeans, you know exactly. 465 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 2: And then you know they popped to the top of 466 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 2: the algorithm for me, I'm sure, but it's a real 467 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 2: thing that we own the seas for a reason. We 468 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 2: are able to do things and hold ourselves to standards 469 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 2: or try impossible things on purpose as a national spirit. 470 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: With celebrating that that's what we should be doing. It's 471 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: just again such a patriotic year, turning two point fifty. 472 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: This country's amazing, We're doing amazing things. I'm just very 473 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: very high on the country right now. And again, any 474 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: American listening to this should feel the same way. I 475 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: don't know that anybody should be feeling differently if they 476 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: are politically not aligned. I just it's amazing. Mark and 477 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: Dreason tweeted, I have never been so bullish on the 478 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: United States of America. That's exactly how I feel. 479 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 2: Can we real quick to close this out? Just play 480 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 2: a minute or two of Victor Glover The Reason I'm 481 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 2: a fangirl now. He said several profound things, but he 482 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 2: was asked as they were flying past Earth from above 483 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 2: over Easter, if he had any thoughts about, you know, 484 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 2: the world and life and existence, and without preparation, he 485 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 2: had this to say. 486 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 4: I'm glad you brought that up, though, I think these 487 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 4: observances are important, and as we are so far from 488 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 4: Earth and looking back at you know, the beauty of creation. 489 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 4: I think the for me, one of the really important 490 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 4: personal perspectives that I have up here is I can 491 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 4: really see Earth as one thing. And you know, when 492 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 4: I read the Bible and I look at all of 493 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 4: the amazing things that were done for us who were created, 494 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 4: it's you have this amazing place, this spaceship. You guys 495 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 4: are talking to us because we're in a spaceship really 496 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 4: far from Earth, but you're on a spaceship called Earth 497 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 4: that was created to give us a place to live 498 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 4: in the universe and the cosmos. Think maybe the distance 499 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 4: we are from you makes you think what we're doing 500 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 4: is special, But we're the same distance from you, and 501 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 4: I'm trying to tell you, just trust me, you are special. 502 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 4: In all of this emptiness. This is a whole nothing, 503 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 4: this thing we call the universe, you have this oasis, 504 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 4: this beautiful place that we get to exist together. I 505 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 4: think as we go into Easter Sunday, thinking about, you know, 506 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 4: all the cultures all around the world, whether you celebrated 507 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 4: or not, whether you believe in God or not, this 508 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 4: is an opportunity for us to remember where we are, 509 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 4: who we are, and that we are the same thing, 510 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 4: and that we got to get through this together. 511 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,479 Speaker 1: Just gorgeous. It's so well done, and he sounds so 512 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: deep and wise. 513 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 2: I love it. 514 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: Well. 515 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 2: He's got quite a resume, and he has a lovely 516 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 2: wife and four daughters, and just so lovely to see 517 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 2: people animated by good things, doing seemingly impossible tasks. And 518 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 2: thank you for using all your training to inspire me. 519 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 2: Both American military service people and astronauts love it. 520 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: I am. 521 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 2: He, by the way, is also a veteran. He's a 522 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: US Navy captain. 523 00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: Amazing, Keep winning America. Where's vooting for us? All the way? 524 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more on normally. 525 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 2: All right, we are back on normally with I mean, 526 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: really the exact opposite side of the coin from the 527 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 2: people who are doing impossible things. The New York Times 528 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 2: reported this weekend on a segment of people who student 529 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 2: debt burdened them so they moved abroad and stopped paying. 530 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: They took out loans for a product and then didn't 531 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: pay for them, and we're supposed to feel sorry for them. 532 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: I like the passive voice. They were burdened by the 533 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 2: loans they took out. It opens with this poor woman 534 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 2: who I'm going to be mean about. Amanda Lin Tully. 535 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: She graduated in twenty seventeen with a master's degree in 536 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: historic preservation from the University of Oregon sixty five thousand 537 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 2: dollars in federal student loans. So that's us guaranteeing it 538 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,239 Speaker 2: and no offers in the conservation field, No kidden? Are 539 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 2: there not a ton of jobs in historic conservation anyway? 540 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 2: Less than a year after graduating, was Tully made a 541 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 2: drastic decision. Less than a year she moved to Prague, 542 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 2: where she completed an internship, and defaulted on her loans. 543 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 2: She hasn't made a payment in over seven years. Well, 544 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 2: it must have been very burdensome financially, Carol. No, let 545 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 2: me tell you how much she was paying per year 546 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 2: or per month. Sixty bucks. 547 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds a weight she could not bear. 548 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 2: Miss Tully was on an income based repayment plan, which 549 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 2: allows mini borrowers to have their remaining debt forgiven after 550 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: twenty years of making qualifying payments. She was paying sixty 551 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 2: dollars per month when she defaulted. This amount to many, 552 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 2: The New York Times says may seem manageable, but for her, 553 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 2: it remained psychologically brundsome. 554 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: Sorry, she was so psychologically burdened. Of course we're all 555 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: going to have to pay Bagcarlan for her. 556 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 2: So now I'm psychologically burdened by the sixty dollars per 557 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 2: month I could be using for like juice boxes or 558 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: whatever the heck I need to buy. 559 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. It's like New York Times will 560 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: never say in these pieces the colleges that promised them 561 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: something they couldn't deliver should be the ones paying for this. 562 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: It's always like, how terrible is this system, and that 563 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: the rest of us should just forgive them, forgive these loans. 564 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: Even though people, you know, they live at home, They 565 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: don't go to schools that have fancy brand names, they 566 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: don't go into degrees that sound ridiculous and are ridiculous. 567 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: They work during college. All of that people do, and 568 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: they end up graduating with no debt, only to pay 569 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: off this lady's debt because she defaulted on it. 570 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I made the decisions that allowed me 571 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 2: to be debt free, right. I didn't go to a 572 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 2: super expensive school. I didn't take out a bunch of loans. 573 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 2: Those were decisions I made when I had other things 574 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 2: on the table, and now I end up covering for 575 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 2: people who didn't make those decisions because they decided, well, 576 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: someone else will pay it for me. Right, And by 577 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 2: the way, there's already been a break for four years 578 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: from payments because of COVID, which was illegal to begin 579 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 2: with and shouldn't have happened. Yeah, and at some point 580 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 2: I believe it is our friend bridget Fetese, and I 581 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 2: will censor myself a bit. Who's like, you're being a 582 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 2: whiney bee. You just need to suck it up and 583 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 2: pay your sixty bucks. Now, some of these people were 584 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 2: sold a bill of goods, as you say, by the colleges. 585 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: They would not have been sold this bill of goods 586 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 2: had we not made all college loans federally backed, which 587 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 2: would mean that then banks would have a reason to 588 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 2: judge whether these loans were worth giving to people who 589 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 2: might not get jobs, and then they might not get 590 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 2: as much money. 591 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: Right. Right. We've just become this culture where everybody has 592 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: to go to college and it costs a lot of money, 593 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: and it's not worth it for a lot of people, 594 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: Like when my kids even half engaged with the I 595 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: don't know if I want to go to college. I'm like, 596 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm listening, like, well, what are we thinking? You know, 597 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: and every kid is going to have a different path. 598 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: I think that we need to get off of this 599 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: everybody has to go to college thing. College is very 600 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: rarely about education anymore. It has almost nothing to do 601 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: with what field you're going to work in. It just 602 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: it never translates into making a lot of money unless 603 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: you go to one of the top top schools, and 604 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: you could only go there if you really have the 605 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: money to pay for it. Because if you don't have 606 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: the money to pay for it, you're you're going to 607 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: set yourself up to have this massive debt and count 608 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: on the rest of the country to pay it for you. 609 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: It's just not for And I. 610 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 2: See reels occasionally or tiktoks where people sort of gripe about, 611 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 2: for instance, immigrant parents who are hard on their kids 612 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 2: and say, if you go to college, you can go 613 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:47,959 Speaker 2: in these three degree areas. 614 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: That's it. 615 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,719 Speaker 2: But that's the right decision. You're you're making a calculation 616 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 2: that my kid is going to go in a law 617 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 2: degree or an engineering degree or medical because those will 618 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 2: pay back what I am investing. How you should think 619 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 2: about it? 620 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm writing something about about colleges right now. I mean, 621 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: I you know, writing is hard, guys. Writing is really hard, 622 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: especially when it's like for your substack, which I feel like, 623 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, no deadlines means I can write this forever. 624 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: But about what colleges should be about. And the fact that, yeah, 625 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: my parents were like, these three professions are the ones 626 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: that we would like for you to go into. And 627 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: because I chose something else, I did do myself a 628 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: lot of damage. I did get into debt. I had 629 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: a lot of problems setting up my life because I 630 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: went into a career that my parents didn't understand. So 631 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: you could take the chance you can, but it's going 632 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 1: to come with some hard moments. 633 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 2: Or like, by the way, at the end of this 634 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 2: article is a guide to better managing your money from 635 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 2: the New York Times things. 636 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 1: Guys. 637 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 2: I think the ship has sailed for many of these folks. 638 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 2: But the main thing is, like, you want to spend 639 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 2: less than you make, and you want to not burden 640 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 2: yourself with giant, giant loans that you then skip out 641 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,720 Speaker 2: on it. Yeah, this is not what I don't understand. 642 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: This isn't an indictment of America. This is an indictment 643 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 2: of the people who haven't paid the lungs. 644 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, I have no point. I'm like America should 645 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: do something about this, like the schools should do something 646 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: about it. New York Times should pressure the schools to 647 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: do something about it. They have these giant endowments, they 648 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: take federal funds. They should not let their students flounder 649 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 1: like this. I agree. Well, thanks for joining us on 650 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: Normally Normally eres Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you could subscribe 651 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: anywhere you get your podcast. Let's get in touch with 652 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,720 Speaker 1: us at normallythepod at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening, 653 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: and when things get weird, you act normally.