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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 4: What do we have, Crystal, indeed, we do Lot's to

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Speaker 4: get to this morning.

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Speaker 1: Breaking news last night Henry Kissinger is dead at one hundred,

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Speaker 1: so we'll talk a little bit about that to begin

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Speaker 1: the show. We also have updates for you out of

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Speaker 1: Israel in terms of the current ceasefire negotiations, temporary cease

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Speaker 1: noteworthy comments from Elon Musk yesterday in a New York

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Speaker 1: we've got those comments for you. What it means all

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Speaker 1: of that? Very interesting Mark Cubans sparking rumors that maybe

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Speaker 3: I think you think so, I think so. Yeah, we'll

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Speaker 1: He denies it pretty strenuously. I don't know, but anyway,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. We'll tell you the signs there. We also

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Speaker 1: that is a big deal. And SAGRESC got a big

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Speaker 1: UFO report for us and also a fantastic monologue for

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Speaker 2: But we also got our own here for breaking points

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: So forty five percent of the people who are listening

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Speaker 2: We also learned something about the way that you guys

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Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen. From the intercept, there

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Speaker 1: were many ways of leading these obits for Henry Kissinger.

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Speaker 1: The intercept goes with top US diplomat responsible for millions

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Speaker 4: And he is a long last augur.

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Speaker 1: for it, but in orderd she vote against it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's really significant in order to actually

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Speaker 2: think about where we stand in a domestic political level, because,

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Speaker 2: as you said, for all of the outspoken talk of

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Speaker 2: the Squad and all these other people, why did they

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Speaker 2: vote for this resolution?

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Speaker 3: Crystal? And it seems clear.

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Speaker 2: I think they're obviously cowed by some of the criticism,

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Speaker 2: Massy being the only one to stand up. And let's

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Speaker 2: not whitewash this either. They are running a millions of

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Speaker 2: dollars of ads against him in his state of Kentucky.

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Speaker 2: He's actually tweeted out some of them if people are

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Speaker 2: interested to go and watch, and they directly target it.

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Speaker 2: But his point is I vote this way on all

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Speaker 2: four and eid of all kinds. He's like, I've been

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Speaker 2: doing this for my entire tenure in all of Congress,

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Speaker 2: So this is just a matter of principles and consistency.

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Speaker 2: But they want to use the conflation of anti Zionism

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Speaker 2: equals anti Semitism. It's also very interesting because this is

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Speaker 2: why I don't get Nikki Haley was rightfully mocked for

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Speaker 2: saying anti Zionism equals anti Semitism right where by many Democrats,

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Speaker 2: that's influential commentators and others. And yet when the exact

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Speaker 2: same resolution comes to the floor of the House, why

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Speaker 2: is it passing with the only single no vote?

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Speaker 3: What does that? What does that show us?

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Speaker 2: And I think it shows us the power of a

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Speaker 2: pack and of what they can deliver and look you,

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Speaker 2: Michael Tracy made this point actually this morning, which I

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Speaker 2: do agree is completely absurd, is that APAC now for decades,

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Speaker 2: has been exempt from the Foreign Agent Registration Act, which

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Speaker 2: applies to quote individuals and entities acting with the US

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Speaker 2: on behalf of foreign interests, despite literally dedicating its entire

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Speaker 2: existence to furthering the interests of Israel, including meetings with

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister of that nation, and including often using

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Speaker 2: their power directly to lobby American foreign policy for interests

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Speaker 2: that are only aligned with Israel and then shrouded in

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Speaker 2: supposedly this is.

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Speaker 3: Better for America.

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Speaker 2: So I think there's a there's an America first case

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Speaker 2: to be made against an organization like this having such

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Speaker 2: incredible power here in Washington. Again, I recommend the book

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Speaker 2: Israel Lobby by John Meersheimer, which at the time was

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Speaker 2: also smeared as anti Semitic. It's been a tactic of Theirs,

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Speaker 2: unfortunately for quite a long time.

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Speaker 3: But the outcome of that vote just shows us how

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Speaker 3: influential they remain to be.

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Speaker 2: I still, though, believe that we are at probably the

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Speaker 2: apex of apex apax power and apex of a hardy

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Speaker 2: apex of apax power because they have used so much

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Speaker 2: political capital, first on the Iran Deal and second on

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Speaker 2: here in American politics, that in the future, future democratic

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Speaker 2: lawmakers and others are going to feel I think more

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Speaker 2: comfortable speaking out against the consensus.

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Speaker 3: I could be wrong.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just look at the generational de exactly. You know,

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Speaker 1: as millennials agen Z become a majority of the American

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Speaker 1: voting public, there's no doubt that the U just you know,

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Speaker 1: blanket unconditional support for Israel begins to erode, and you

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Speaker 1: know they're they're going down, kicking, screaming right now. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna It's very possible that some of the squad members

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Speaker 1: who have been courageous and outspoken against Democratic leaders on

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Speaker 1: this issue, that they could lose in primaries. That is

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Speaker 1: absolutely on the table. It's very much on the table

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Speaker 1: that you could have less support for dissent going forward

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Speaker 1: after this Congress. But you know, the other piece of it, saga,

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Speaker 1: is just the Israeli political sphere has moved so far

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Speaker 1: and hard to the right that there's just no I mean,

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Speaker 1: I have a list, there's a website now that's tracking

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Speaker 1: like all of the just overtly genocidal quotes and advocating

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Speaker 1: for ethnic cleansing coming from current Israeli government officials and

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Speaker 1: look Fud party members and whatever, and that just becomes

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Speaker 1: undeniable at a certain point where you can no longer

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Speaker 1: pretend like, oh, we're in this peace process and everybody

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Speaker 1: wants a two state solution, when you've got Nan Yahoo

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Speaker 1: arguing the reason I should stay in power is because

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Speaker 1: I will make damn sure there is never a two

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Speaker 1: state solution. So some of the reality over time, especially

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Speaker 1: with the images that we've seen in Gaza, becomes undeniable

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Speaker 1: not only to members of Congress, but more critically to

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Speaker 1: you know, the American public, whose grassroots pressure is responsible

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Speaker 1: for any of the even tone shift coming from the ministry.

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Speaker 1: Right now, there's a fantastic piece in Haretz. Let's put

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Speaker 1: this up on the screen about the dynamics and the pressures,

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Speaker 1: competing pressures that are facing that Yahoo currently. Obviously, as

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Speaker 1: we've said a million times, politically, he is I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's hated anytime. I don't know if you guys have

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Speaker 1: ever looked at the replies to any of his tweets

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, but if you look at the Hebrew replies

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Speaker 1: from the right and the left. They all are like, resign,

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Speaker 1: we hate you, You're horrible, evil, get out of here.

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Speaker 1: And the latest pull I saw has like eight percent

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Speaker 1: of people who think he should still be in charge

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Speaker 1: of this country. So he has some political pressures, you

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Speaker 1: might say. But what I found really remarkable and different

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Speaker 1: than the way that the US press presents the American

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Speaker 1: side of things is they make it so clear how

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Speaker 1: influential we are and how we really hold all the cards.

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Speaker 1: It's only a question of whether we feel like using

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Speaker 1: them or not. So they say here, Israel cannot determine

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Speaker 1: its course alone. It depends on multi layers American support.

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Speaker 1: First in renewal of the munition stores to replace the

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Speaker 1: many bombs, missiles, and artillery shells fired at and dropped

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Speaker 1: on the strip. Second in warning of distant launches through

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Speaker 1: the radar and warning network shared by Israel in the

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Speaker 1: US military Sentcom. Third in securing Israeli freedom of shipping

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Speaker 1: to and from Islet Port in the face of the

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Speaker 1: naval blockade imposed by the Huthis who control the straits

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Speaker 1: in the Red Sea. Fourth in deterring Iran and hasblaf

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Speaker 1: from opening for their fronts in Lebanon and prop Syria

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Speaker 1: and Iraq as well. Fifth, the US holds veto power

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Speaker 1: at the UN Security Council and may thwart or allow

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Speaker 1: a resolution calling for a ceasefire. They go on to say,

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Speaker 1: and I found this extraordinary. Again, this is not something

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Speaker 1: you ever hear in the American press. The Americans are

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Speaker 1: closely involved in all levels of managing the war, from

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Speaker 1: operational coordination in the war rooms, to the conversations of

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Speaker 1: US President Joe Biden and senior emissaries and officers with Netanyahoo,

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Speaker 1: Minister Galan IDF Chief of Staff Haleevi, and the heads

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Speaker 1: of the Military Intelligence director and the Air Force. They

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Speaker 1: go on to say, the American position is shaping up.

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Speaker 1: Thus Biden will agree to the opening of a second

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Speaker 1: phase in the Gaza Strip campaign, but not to escalation

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Speaker 1: as a result of Israeli initiatives in the North.

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Speaker 4: In return, Israel be required.

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Speaker 1: To expand the humanitarian aid to the Gazas and to

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Speaker 1: produce an outline for the day after toppling Hamas with

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Speaker 1: a preferred Saurnaro and Washington being the PA's returned to

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Speaker 1: the Strip and the opening of negotiations for the two

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Speaker 1: state solution.

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Speaker 4: So in Israel.

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Speaker 1: There is basically no public sentiment in favor of wrapping

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Speaker 1: up this war, securing some sort of a lasting truce

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Speaker 1: or ceasefire, very little sentiment in favor of that, virtually zero.

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Speaker 1: And so the US and these outside pressures are really

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Speaker 1: the only ones that could push Israel to at any

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Speaker 1: point in the near future. And their indiscriminate bombing campaign

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Speaker 1: that has been so devastating for the civilians in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the thing is that the US policy really

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Speaker 2: doesn't know where it stands right now.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there.

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Speaker 2: For example, with Joe Biden, he's continuing to try and

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Speaker 2: have it both ways. He says this quote Hamas unleashed

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Speaker 2: a terrorist attack because they fear nothing more than Israelis

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Speaker 2: and Palsuenians living side by side in peace. We continue

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Speaker 2: down the path of terror, violence, killing, and war is

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Speaker 2: to give Hamas what they seek. We can't do that.

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Speaker 2: So that seemed to be a call for a permanent

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Speaker 2: cease fire. And yet at the same time they put

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Speaker 2: out a statement clarifying the tweets, saying, quote, he meant

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Speaker 2: that we can't lose hope for.

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Speaker 3: Peace ultimately in the region.

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Speaker 2: It's incredibly important that we consider to lay the groundwork

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Speaker 2: for create the conditions for a lasting piece that involves

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Speaker 2: a two state solution.

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Speaker 3: Whatever the hell.

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Speaker 4: That's yeah, it's not a change in policy.

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Speaker 1: Continues to believe that Israel's a right to defend itself,

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, we have this we can put there.

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Speaker 2: The Kataris are at least optimistic in the short term

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Speaker 2: that there will be an extension of the truth.

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Speaker 3: They said, cool.

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Speaker 2: They are very optimistic as long as they coast as

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Speaker 2: how long as Hamas agrees to the Israeli conditions of

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Speaker 2: continuing to release ten hostages per day, as long as

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Speaker 2: the continuation of the negotiations are there. The problem though,

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Speaker 2: is that eventually, of course, you will run out of hostages,

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Speaker 2: and then the eventual question arises, what are you going

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Speaker 2: to do? I'm not sure honestly where things will stand.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, Netsa Yahu and all of them

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Speaker 2: are not idiots. They understand us public opinion to a

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Speaker 2: certain extent. They can see polling on cease fire, and

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Speaker 2: they also know that they've burned a lot of their

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Speaker 2: credibility with a lot of their Western allies who are

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Speaker 2: at this point, facing a deluge of calls within their

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Speaker 2: own coalitions it's to condition aid to Israel or at

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Speaker 2: the very least they're seeing demonstrations. So will they conduct

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Speaker 2: themselves in the South and the military operation in the

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Speaker 2: same way. Apparently Biden behind the scenes has made it

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Speaker 2: clear to net Ninity's like, you can't do that. You're

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Speaker 2: gonna have to change things up. Are they going to listen?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this actually comes to the question of the

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Speaker 2: Israeli military and what orders they're receiving. Will they be

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Speaker 2: given differing in separate orders to stop or to not

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Speaker 2: reignite a similar pre bombing campaign that we saw in

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Speaker 2: Gaza before the ground operations today, or are they going

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Speaker 2: to do things exactly the same. If I had to guess,

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Speaker 2: I think it's probably going to be somewhere in the

627
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Speaker 2: middle ground. But the initial response of October seventh, you know,

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Speaker 2: with the bombing campaign that began really October fourteenth, really

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Speaker 2: and onward. I don't I don't think they could get

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Speaker 2: away with that. Now it's possible. I could be totally wrong,

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Speaker 2: But when you've got thirty some senators who are saying

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Speaker 2: we should condition military aid, I mean you can only

633
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Speaker 2: stand against that for so long.

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Speaker 3: If it's somebody like Joe Biden.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that is the question.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we've been getting all these you know, strategic

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Speaker 1: leaks to the wash Up Post New York.

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Speaker 4: Times this whole time, like, oh, b Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Publicly they're saying no ride lines, but behind the scenes,

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Speaker 1: Biden's been really tough. Well, it doesn't matter. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's really clear at this point. Even if that is true,

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Speaker 1: which maybe it is, maybe it is not, It clearly

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter unless you're actually going to back it up

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Speaker 1: with conditioning aid or pulling support at the UN, or

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Speaker 1: you know, some other actual use of our leverage. They

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Speaker 1: clearly don't care because again Netanyahu, from a domestic perspective,

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Speaker 1: all the pressure is on the other side to bomb

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Speaker 1: the hell on the south of the Gaza Strip in

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Speaker 1: the same way that they did the north. So if

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Speaker 1: you don't have the US actually willing to use the

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Speaker 1: cards that we have, then he's just going to continue

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Speaker 1: doing whatever the hell he wants to do and what

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Speaker 1: and you know, satiating the desire for revenge among the

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Speaker 1: Israeli public. And by the way, you know, his far

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Speaker 1: right coalition they've already said that if we continue these

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Speaker 1: truces and if we don't go back to bombing the

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Speaker 1: strip the way that we were before, we're out of

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Speaker 1: the government. He has a very narrow coalition to work with.

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Speaker 1: So if you have a few of these keys players out,

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Speaker 1: that's it. Then you've got to call for new elections,

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Speaker 1: and no way in hell and now he was winning

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Speaker 1: new elections today, not a chance. So that's why, you know,

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Speaker 1: when you can put it in kind of the American

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Speaker 1: political you know, context of when you have this like

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Speaker 1: narrow margin in the House, then it gives you know,

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Speaker 1: whoever is like the craziest, gives them the most leverage

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Speaker 1: if they want to use it.

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Speaker 4: It's the same thing in Israel.

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Speaker 1: That's why these quote unquote fringe figures have so much

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Speaker 1: power in terms of the execution of this campaign, because

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Speaker 1: he has to have them to hold on to his

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Speaker 1: grip on power. So as Sogerman before, we do have

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Speaker 1: this is really different. It used to be a really

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Speaker 1: fringe position held by basically Bernie Sanders and no one

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Speaker 1: else that we should condition aid to Israel, and this

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Speaker 1: is becoming a mainstream thought among Democratic senators. Put this

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Speaker 1: up on the screen, so Schumer announced that they planned

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Speaker 1: to hold the vote for that fourteen billion dollars in

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Speaker 1: emergency aid to Israel as soon as next week. Sanders

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Speaker 1: had previously called to condition aid. He reintroduced that call

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Speaker 1: on November eighteenth. But you have additional people who are

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Speaker 1: joining those calls, Senator Chris van Holland, Brian Shatz and

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Speaker 1: dak Reid, they said, and these are again really like

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Speaker 1: middle of the road kind of Democrats, standard issue Democrats.

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Speaker 1: We continue to support additional assistants to Israel, but we

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Speaker 1: are all in agreement that this assistance must be consistent

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Speaker 1: with our interest and values and used in a manner

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Speaker 1: that adheres to international humanitarian law, the law of armed conflicts.

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Speaker 1: You also had Peter Welsh, Bernie Sanders colleague there in Vermont,

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Speaker 1: saying something similar. Israel can't meet the standard of place

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Speaker 1: in the highest priority on civilian life. He says, the

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Speaker 1: US must give serious consideration to the type of aid

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Speaker 1: that Congress provides in any national security supplemental package.

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Speaker 4: And we had.

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Speaker 1: Senator Chris Murphy saying very similar things in a recent interview.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: Well, I stand by what I said. I do believe

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Speaker 5: that the level of civilian harm inside Gaza has been

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Speaker 5: unacceptable and is unsustainable. I think there's both a moral

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Speaker 5: cost to this, many civilians, innocent civilians, children often losing

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Speaker 5: their life, but I think there's a strategic cost. Ultimately,

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Speaker 5: Hamas will get stronger, not weaker, in the long run,

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Speaker 5: if all of this civilian death allows them to recruit

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Speaker 5: more effectively enably inside Gaza. Listen, we regularly condition our

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Speaker 5: aid to allies based upon compliance with US law and

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Speaker 5: international law, and so I think it's very consistent with

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Speaker 5: the ways in which we have dispensed aid, especially during wartime,

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Speaker 5: to allies, for US to talk about making sure that

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Speaker 5: the aid we give Ukraine or the aid we give

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Speaker 5: Israel is used in accordance with human rights laws.

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Speaker 1: So Socger Again, these are not radicals. This is like,

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Speaker 1: you know, mainstream democratic sentiment, and you know, this is

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Speaker 1: very different conversation that was having happening previously. And the

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Speaker 1: other thing that people are pointing to is there's something

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Speaker 1: called the Lahy Law, which is supposed to be you're

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Speaker 1: supposed to make sure that any sort of weapons that

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Speaker 1: you're providing to foreign governments that they're not going to

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Speaker 1: be used for war crimes or against civilians. And with Israel,

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Speaker 1: we've long just like ignored that outright waived it, and

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Speaker 1: so there are now growing calls of also applying the

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Speaker 1: Leaky Act to any of our military aid to Israel

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 2: I have a long history with the Lady Law contell

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Speaker 2: oh really yeah. One of the first biggest stories I

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Speaker 2: ever worked on was if people will remember sexual abuse

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Speaker 2: within the Afghan forces that was covered up that was

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Speaker 2: basically covered up by the pentagona by the US military,

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Speaker 2: including literal pedophilia that the Pentagon didn't want to come

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Speaker 2: to the light and in some cases punished US forces.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: The evidence behind a lot of the pedophilia that pervaded

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Speaker 2: a lot of the Afghan national security forces was hidden

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Speaker 2: by the Pentagon and classified specifically so that we would

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Speaker 2: not violate the Lahy Law in our aid to Afghanistans.

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Speaker 3: This is one of the biggest stories I worked.

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Speaker 2: On a lot at the time, and unfortunately, I think

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Speaker 2: that's part of why I almost grinned when you said it,

738
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Speaker 2: because here's the truth. If they don't want you to know,

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Speaker 2: they'll just classify it, or they will they will drag

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Speaker 2: along the process such that on the letter.

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Speaker 3: Of the law, you're not violating the Lay law.

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Speaker 2: And you just continue the weapons. It's a joke, and

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Speaker 2: it's a very well intentioned law. It's actually a good law,

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Speaker 2: but it's one that needs real more teeth. Patrick Lay

745
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Speaker 2: himself always tried to advance that. But the truth is

746
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Speaker 2: is that when the American military industrial complex wants something,

747
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Speaker 2: they will usually get it.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, Lay was that interviewed about this by

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Speaker 1: a Vermont community news over group, which is adorable, and

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Speaker 1: herrets quoted from this piece that they were able to

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Speaker 1: find that he said, appears to me that shooting civilians

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Speaker 1: and targeting civilian infrastructure when you can't prove it is

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Speaker 1: being used by Jimas, would be a violation of human rights.

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Speaker 1: The US is urging the Israelis to protect civilians, and

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Speaker 1: of course the Israelis face a terrible terrorist attacked by Hamas,

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Speaker 1: which is a violation of every norm of international law.

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Speaker 1: But he added, what is being done to apply the

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Speaker 1: Lahy law?

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Speaker 4: Now, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I know passive administrations have been too concerned to do it.

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Speaker 4: I should apply.

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Speaker 1: It should apply to the IDF unless the administration, as

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Speaker 1: many have has waived it. So in any case, those

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Speaker 1: are some of the bubbling pressures that are being brought

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Speaker 1: to bear, which again I think is wholly due to

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Speaker 1: the pressure that has been enforced by the grassroots, these

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Speaker 1: protests and demonstrations all across the country. There are all

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Speaker 1: kinds of reports about how senators and members of Congress

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Speaker 1: are just flooded with in favor of a ceasefire. You know,

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Speaker 1: the horror of the images that are coming out on

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Speaker 1: TikTok and even in some mainstream press at this point

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Speaker 1: is creating so much pressure that even the United States Congress,

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Speaker 1: at least on the Democratic side, is feeling some of

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Speaker 1: that heat and feeling like they need to do something.

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Speaker 1: So that's part of what's shaping whatever is going to

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Speaker 1: connect with regards to this war. We also wanted to

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Speaker 1: cover for you, you know, as part of these ongoing hostage

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Speaker 1: release deals, put this up on the screen. Some really

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Speaker 1: troubling potential news. Hamas is claiming that the youngest hostage

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Speaker 1: and three family members were actually killed in Israeli bombing.

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Speaker 1: Of course, this is coming from Hamas, it has not

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Speaker 1: been confirmed, so we don't know for sure. But this

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Speaker 1: report from NBC News says. Fears were raised Wednesday for

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Speaker 1: the youngest hostage held in the Gaza Strip after Hamas

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Speaker 1: claimed that ten month old Kafir b Bus had been

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Speaker 1: killed along with his brother and mother. Israel's military says

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Speaker 1: they are assessing the claim. Relatives said they were waiting

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Speaker 1: for the news to be confirmed or hopefully refuted soon.

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Speaker 1: About the family members who become leading faces of the

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Speaker 1: hostage crisis, you know, it's these two adorable little red

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Speaker 1: haired babies who you know, have really captured the hearts

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Speaker 1: and concerns of the Israeli public and many other people

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Speaker 1: around the world. And you know, Sagar, this is one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons why a lot of the family members

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Speaker 1: of the hostages have been pushing so stridently from the

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Speaker 1: beginning and protesting vehemently against an Ett Yahun, pushing for

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Speaker 1: some sort of a deal to be struck, because they

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Speaker 1: were saying, listen, our family members are in Gaza too. Now, again,

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Speaker 1: this isn't confirmed, but to be honest with you, it

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Speaker 1: would be extraordinary if none of the hostages were injured

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Speaker 1: by this bombing campaign because it was so widespread. I mean,

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Speaker 1: most of northern Gaza is completely destroyed. So this is

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Speaker 1: you know, horrible possible dues as I.

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Speaker 2: Said, Gah and look hamas. Also they need to release

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Speaker 2: evidence of this because it's also equally possible that these

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Speaker 2: kids died of dehydration or you know, who knows in

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Speaker 2: terms of the conditions that they were being held. Also,

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Speaker 2: I mean there's small children and family like you never know, weality.

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Speaker 4: Allowed.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of reasons why Obviously you know that

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Speaker 2: something like this could happen. So if this is true,

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Speaker 2: like they need to literally release all the evidence. I

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Speaker 2: know that they're not going to The Israelies also, as

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Speaker 2: far as I understand it, have not acknowledged the claim

815
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Speaker 2: or they claim that they're investigating the families themselves, just

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Speaker 2: says our family is updated on the latest publication. We

817
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Speaker 2: are waiting for the news to be confirmed or hopefully

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Speaker 2: refuted soon by military officials. So the family itself remains

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Speaker 2: in limbo. But it is actually I think highlights and

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Speaker 2: one of the reasons we wanted to cover it is

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Speaker 2: some of the complex nature in which Israeli society is

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Speaker 2: grappling with us, because you're right, there is no organic

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Speaker 2: like we need to cease fire pushback, but there is

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Speaker 2: a lot of sympathy around the hostages and conducting the

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Speaker 2: military operations visa protecting the actual hostages is a big

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Speaker 2: cause of concern with the families. We saw it when

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Speaker 2: we interviewed Gilly Roman, the family of a hostage here.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned our previously, she was released, thank god

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Speaker 2: earlier today. But you know, you could see the concern

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Speaker 2: on his face and amongst a lot of others around

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Speaker 2: are these people going to be safe, especially when we

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Speaker 2: know from the hostages who've been released so far, they

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Speaker 2: did say many of them were held in Gaza City

834
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Speaker 2: in the north, and many of them were actually released

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Speaker 2: in the zone of control supposedly by the IDF, showing

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Speaker 2: again also know their control is not as an ironclad

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Speaker 2: as one may think. So we wanted to give everybody

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Speaker 2: that update. Obviously we don't know any of the details

839
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Speaker 2: or all of that on it, but it does relate

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Speaker 2: to a big question around it and also to the

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Speaker 2: possible temporary extension about what might happen here.

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Speaker 1: So the last thing we have for you on that

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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen is there are additional

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Speaker 1: extension talks which are ongoing. The headline here from the

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Speaker 1: Times some officials hope that brief pauses will pave the

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Speaker 1: way to talks on ending the war. International mediators were

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Speaker 1: pushing on Wednesday to lock in another temporary extension of

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Speaker 1: that cease firing. You guys will remember the deal was basically,

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Speaker 1: for every ten additional hostages released by Hamas, there'd be

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Speaker 1: additional day of the ceasefire. However, the original deal only

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Speaker 1: dealt with women and children, so obviously you also have

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Speaker 1: men and you have military who were not covered by

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Speaker 1: that original deal. There have been some indications that Hamas

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Speaker 1: would like to expand the deal to also talk about

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Speaker 1: soldiers and men who are civilians, and no indication that

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Speaker 1: Israelis are interested in that at this point, but we

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Speaker 1: don't really know. Officials with knowledge of the talks that

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Speaker 1: they also hope the succession of short term pauses would

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Speaker 1: pave the way toward a larger goal negotiations over a

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Speaker 1: longer term ceasefire to bring the war to a close.

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Speaker 1: Speaking on condition of anonymity, senior Israeli officials said ninety

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Speaker 1: seven women and children had been taken hostage, and that

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Speaker 1: after Wednesday's released, some two dozen remains. So that means

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Speaker 1: if you're just keeping it with women and children, the

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Speaker 1: extent of the pause that's possible is very limited. And

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Speaker 1: that's again assuming that all of those individuals are still alive.

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Speaker 1: It's assuming they can be located by hamas, which you

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Speaker 1: may think sounds ridiculous, but they were being held by

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Speaker 1: a variety of groups, you know, in a tear a

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Speaker 1: small enclave which is under complete siege, where communications are

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Speaker 1: frequently cut, so the process of actually locating these individuals

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Speaker 1: is not necessarily straightforward. And they said there are currently

873
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: no negotiations aimed at a longer term ceasefire or in

874
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 1: exchange involving all the remaining hostages, for all the remaining

875
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: Palestinian prisoners. So, you know, Netnyahu, we've covered some of

876
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: these comments and his defense Minister Galant, they have been

877
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: very clear that after this temporary pause, we're going right

878
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: back at it. There were comments that were made that were,

879
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: like I think by Galant that it's going to be

880
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: stronger than ever. It's been, going to be more aggressive

881
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 1: than ever throughout the entire strip, and just remind.

882
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 4: People of where we are. Obviously, they already.

883
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: Bombed the hell on a northern Gaza that's basically completely uninhabitable,

884
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: especially Gaza City, they told everybody to move to the south,

885
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: so you know, all two point two million are close

886
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: to it. Lstinians have been clustered now in the south,

887
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: including in cities like Communis, where they're now saying they're

888
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: going to center the new bombing campaign. So as brutal

889
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: as what is already unfolded has been, the level of

890
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: brutality possible going forward is even greater since you have

891
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: all of these civilians now clustered into an even smaller

892
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: area than before.

893
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: That's why I just simply don't think that the similar

894
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 2: situation will unfold. It's possible, it certainly is. It's not

895
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 2: like they It's not like I would put it past them,

896
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: and just think that there's a lot of geopolitical realities

897
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: that could constrain it, including the hostage situation. One thing

898
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: to not forget also is that all the hostage released

899
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: so far, there are many IDF soldiers who are also

900
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: being held as hostages Baiamas who are kidnapped on October seventh.

901
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 2: You should not forget that they too have quite a

902
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: bit of sympathy. So they are actually not even really

903
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 2: on the table in terms of exchange right now because

904
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: they're seen in and operating in a different place.

905
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 3: But don't forget also that this will remain.

906
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: An issue, I think in Israeli society for some time

907
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: to come, especially given the past hostage exchanges that Nattaniahu himself,

908
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: Pat j Aquies too. We'll see how it all plays up,

909
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: but we definitely want to give everybody that update.

910
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 3: Okay, let's switch.

911
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: Gears to Elon Musk, who yesterday gave an extraordinary.

912
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 3: Interview and I think that's the only way to describe it.

913
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: With Andrew Ross Sorkin of CNBC and of Deal Book

914
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 2: over at the New York Times, he was asked Andrew

915
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 2: ros of Elon, He was like, Okay, what is your

916
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: message to advertisers who pulled their advertisers after one of

917
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 2: the controversial tweets Elon sent around immigration, anti Semitism, and more,

918
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: which precipitated his eventual trip to Israel. Here was his

919
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: message to advertisers who pulled their dollars, including Disney CEO

920
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 2: Bob Iiger.

921
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen. Now.

922
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 6: Obviously you know that there's a public perception that you're

923
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 6: clarifying this now, but there's a public perception that that

924
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 6: was part of a apology tour if you will. This

925
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 6: had been said online, there was all of the criticism,

926
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 6: There was advertisers leaving.

927
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 7: We talked to I hope they stop. You don't advertise,

928
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 7: you don't want them to advertise.

929
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 6: What do you mean.

930
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 8: If somebody's going to try to blackmail me with advertising,

931
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 8: blackmailing with money, go fuck yourself, but go fuck yourself?

932
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 8: Is that clear?

933
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 7: I hope it is. Hey, Bob here in the audience, Well,

934
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 7: well let me ask you. Then that's how I feel.

935
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 7: Don't advertise?

936
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 6: How do you think that about the economics of X

937
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 6: if part of the underlying model at least today, and

938
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 6: maybe it needs to shift, maybe the answers it needs

939
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 6: to shift away from advertising. If you believe that this

940
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 6: is the one part of your business where you will

941
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 6: be beholden to those.

942
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: Who have this view, what do you do.

943
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 9: Why? I understand that.

944
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 6: But there's a reality too, right Yes, no, no, I

945
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 6: mean know Yakarino's right here and she's got to sell advertiser.

946
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 7: Absolutely so no, no, tell you so. No, Actually, what

947
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 7: what this advertising boycott is is going to do it.

948
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 8: It's going to kill a company.

949
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 7: And you think that and the whole world, Well, no,

950
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 7: that those advertisers killed the company, and we will document

951
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 7: it in great detail.

952
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 6: But there are those advertisers, I imagine, are going to say,

953
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 6: they're going to say, we didn't kill the company.

954
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, they're going to say to tell it to Earth.

955
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 6: But they're going to say that. They're going to say

956
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 6: Elon that you killed the company because you said these

957
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 6: things and that they were inappropriate things and that they

958
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 6: didn't feel comfortable on the platform.

959
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 8: Right, That's that's what I say. And let's see how

960
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 8: Earth responds to that.

961
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: Okay, little live and odd interview that was there, but

962
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: we weren't anything non old.

963
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair point.

964
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: The reason we wanted to play the full clip there

965
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: is it makes a couple of things clear. He was

966
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: speaking basically directly to Bob Eiger when he was like,

967
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: hey Bob, who Disney ceo? Who specifically pulled some of

968
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: the advertising that they had there? But I think he

969
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: was setting it up for an eventual bankruptcy lawsuit. That's

970
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: how I read his comments when he said, well, they'll

971
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: call the company and this is frankly a major and

972
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: it's complicated for me. I have sympathy for the idea

973
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: since we build this business to be anti fragile against

974
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: advertising and boycott's and all these other things based upon

975
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: a subscription model. The problem is the subscription model that

976
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 2: came up with is just not very good. Twitter Blue

977
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: has no real compelling reason to sign up for it

978
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: and has been a tremendous failure in terms of replacing

979
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: advertising revenue with the company. Twitter itself is so massively

980
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 2: reliant on Fortune five hundred companies to advertise on the

981
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: platform because some five billion dollars of their revenue, nearly

982
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: ninety percent of it came from those companies in year

983
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: before it sold to Elon, and a huge portion of

984
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: them have canceled either through management of the platform and

985
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: even this particular boycott, which this is the other part

986
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 2: where I agree Media Matters and all these other people.

987
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: These are heinous and annoying people that said, you know,

988
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 2: you shouldn't give them ammunition to work with to then

989
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 2: facilitate boycotts against your company. You don't have a right

990
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: to advertise, right, And this is where you know, much

991
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: of their rhetoric around this is so complicated, Like I

992
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: hate the ADL, I hate Media Matters, I hate all

993
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: these people who are I think dishonest and bad faith

994
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: and the way that they encourage all this. But you know,

995
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 2: you also, if you're in a business relationship with Disney

996
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: and with all these other people where you do literally

997
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 2: rely on them for the bulk of your revenue, you're

998
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: kind of in a rock and a hard place unless

999
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: you're going to develop a much much better subscription based

1000
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: revenue model, which they frankly just have not done with

1001
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 2: the Twitter Blue program. There's not a compelling reason honestly

1002
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: to sign up for for the vast majority of people,

1003
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: and especially to replace five billion dollars of revenue. So

1004
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: I think Elon is in a tough spot, and it's

1005
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: very likely that he has just resigned himself to like,

1006
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: this company's going bankrupt. Yeah, and he's already said it's

1007
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 2: worth half what I've bought it for. But I mean

1008
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 2: a lot of people are interpreting in that as the

1009
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: definition of fu money. They're like, well, you can say

1010
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 2: f you to your biggest advertiser, But the big question is, like, Hey,

1011
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: who the hell's going to own this site in a year?

1012
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: Is it going to be Elon or is it the bankers.

1013
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: I'm increasingly coming on the side of the bank Yeah.

1014
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: I thought it the same way as you did as

1015
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: like a pre story and like prebuddle and cope in

1016
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: cope and advance of the failure of Twitter, of like, well,

1017
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: it's not my fault, it's these advertisers you're a boycotting

1018
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: And to your point, listen, I would love nothing more

1019
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: than to be able to be like go off King

1020
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: when you're telling advertisers to.

1021
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 4: Go through himself.

1022
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 3: I would love that.

1023
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: But it's not like it's been used in service of

1024
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: some sort of consistent principle. You know, and claims to

1025
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: be the free speech guy, just ban saying decolonization on

1026
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: his platform or from the River to the sea, which

1027
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: by the way, is in Lukud's charter as much as

1028
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: it's in Hamas's charter. So it's not like his principles

1029
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: about free speech have been consistent botely at all. In fact,

1030
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 1: in some ways he's been more censorious than the previous

1031
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: Twitter regime. So again, it's not like this has been

1032
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: in service of any sort of a principle. And no advertiser.

1033
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 4: Owes you their dollars.

1034
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: It's up to you, mister genius businessman, to figure out

1035
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: a business plan that's going to work without depending on

1036
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 1: the advertisers. So yeah, that's capitalism. You're the uber capitalist.

1037
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: You should understand this more than anyone. And if we

1038
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: can figure out a business model that could be impervious

1039
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: to Boycott's and you know, anticipate the fact that we

1040
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: say things that are controversial and piss people off and

1041
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: could rub people the wrong way and lead to those

1042
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: sorts of things, Like if we can figure that out,

1043
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: you can't figure that out for Twitter. So I think

1044
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: it's preposterous that the world would blame the advertisers for

1045
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: leaving a platform that, you know, putting aside his like

1046
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: crazy tweets and the anti submitic, conspiracy theories, endorsment, whatever,

1047
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: has just been like horrifically mismanaged throughout this entire time.

1048
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: From a business perspective person, I was thinking about Tea

1049
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: shouts out Bob Eiger, who's sitting in the audience, which

1050
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 1: is kind of incredible. But also I'm thinking about Linda

1051
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: Yakarina Yagarina.

1052
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 4: Who was brought in.

1053
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: She has like the head of advertising at NBC. She's

1054
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: brought in to be the CEO specifically because she has

1055
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: all these cozy relationships with you know, blue chip brands,

1056
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: and all of these advertisers that you'd want to be

1057
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: bringing in. I know she put out some kind of

1058
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: a statement this morning. I don't know if you haven't called.

1059
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: I can only imagine this has to be one of

1060
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: the worst days of her life. Like how humiliating for

1061
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: her that the very thing she was brought in to

1062
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: try to accomplish, like working these relationships and try to

1063
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: convince people it's fine to be back on the platform.

1064
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: In three words, gf y, he's able to completely blow

1065
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: any and all of that up. And I cannot but

1066
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: imagine that there's going to be additional fallout. You know,

1067
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: we'll get the numbers a month from now of how

1068
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: many additional advertisers are like, all right, screw you.

1069
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 4: Then I'm gone.

1070
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: So I have the tweet that she post. I'm sorry

1071
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 2: that Elis, this is no longer a tweet.

1072
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:00,479
Speaker 3: He says.

1073
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 2: Today, Elon Musk gave a wide ranging and candid interview

1074
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 2: with deal Book twenty twenty three. He also offered an apology,

1075
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: an explanation, explicit point of view about our position. X

1076
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: is enabling an information independence is uncomfortable for some people,

1077
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: or a platform that allows people to make their own decisions.

1078
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: And here's my perspective when it comes to advertising X

1079
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 2: is unique standing it a unique and amazing intersection of

1080
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: free speech and main street.

1081
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 3: The ex community is powerful.

1082
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: Is here to welcome you to our partners who believe

1083
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: in our meaningful work.

1084
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1085
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 4: Wow.

1086
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 3: Okay, certainly something in terms of spinning that one.

1087
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: If anything, I just appreciate Elon's You know, he thinks

1088
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 2: this is all a game. He thinks that at the

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00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: end of the day, it seems very very comfortable with

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00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: it going bankrupt. I think it's clear that I don't.

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Speaker 2: I think he probably.

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00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 3: Wishes that he didn't buy it in the long run.

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Speaker 3: And I guess I mean.

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Speaker 2: Listen, as a guy supports Tesla and SpaceX and Starlink

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00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 2: and all that, I would love nothing more than for

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00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: to him fulfill his actual promise that he made a

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00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 2: long time ago, which is to step back and focus

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00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: on these companies like the cyber truck looks awesome. Personally,

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00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 2: I'd be happy to get one as soon as it's

1100
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 2: actually available. I think that those companies are far better

1101
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 2: validation of his legacy and all that, and he should

1102
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Speaker 2: probably move in that direction if he wants to remain

1103
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: a historical figure, but at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: I guess he can afford it.

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00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 3: He doesn't particularly care we should.

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00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 2: Also, it's clear too that that tweet that he sent

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00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 2: that sparked all of his Israel trip and all this overtime.

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00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 4: The trip was already planned.

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00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, sure.

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00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: Anyway, he claimed also in that interview, is the most

1111
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 2: foolish tweet that he's ever sent.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 6: When you see all this happening, I think, are you

1114
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 6: sitting there going, oh my god, I stepped in and

1115
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 6: I wish I didn't do that. Are you saying shit

1116
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 6: threw them? I hate these people one day after me?

1117
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 8: But all of that, yeah, all of that, I mean,

1118
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 8: I mean, look, I'm sorry for that that tweed or post.

1119
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 8: It was foolish of me. Of the thirty thousands, it

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00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 8: might be literally the worst and dumbest post that I've

1121
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 8: ever done. And I try my best to clarify six

1122
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 8: racist Sunday. But you know, at least I think over

1123
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 8: time it will be obvious that, in fact, far from

1124
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 8: being anti Semitic, I'm in fact filo Semitic, and all

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Speaker 8: the evidence in my track record would support that there.

1126
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 6: Are people who say crazy things on x as. You know,

1127
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 6: maybe you think they're crazy, maybe they're not.

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Speaker 8: The aspiration FRACS is to be the global town square. Now,

1129
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 8: if you were to walk down to let's say Times Square, right,

1130
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 8: do you occasionally hear people saying crazy things?

1131
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 6: Yes, but they're not. They don't have the megaphone, right,

1132
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 6: and that's that's the conundrum. But they can only say

1133
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 6: it to the fifty one hundred people that are that

1134
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 6: are sitting standing there in Times Square.

1135
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Speaker 8: They don't have a mega. I mean, look, the joke

1136
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 8: I used to make about old Twitter was it was

1137
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 8: like giving everyone in the psych ward a megaphone.

1138
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: So there you go, Crystal.

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00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 2: He said, this is the most foolish thing that he's

1140
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: ever done, which I don't think is true. I think

1141
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 2: the worst to way you ever sent is whenever he

1142
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: claimed that Tesla was going to go private and he

1143
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: ended up getting fine millions of dollars.

1144
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Speaker 4: That was a bad one too. There are many issues

1145
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 4: from ye.

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Speaker 1: Just as a reminder for people who didn't follow this

1147
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: story closely, what he replied to a tweet that said, okay,

1148
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical

1149
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: hatred against whites that they claim to want people to

1150
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: stop using against them. I'm deeply disinterested in giving the

1151
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: tiniest shit now about Western Jewish populations, coming to the

1152
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding

1153
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 1: their country don't exactly like them too much. You want

1154
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: truth said to your face? There it is, to which

1155
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: Elon replies you have said the actual truth. It took

1156
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: me a while to actually parse what the hell this

1157
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: original person was saying, but basically the idea is Jews

1158
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: deserve what they get on October seventh because they vote

1159
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: bad in democratic politics.

1160
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 4: It is effectively the.

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00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: Essence of what's going on, not really something you want

1162
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: to co sign.

1163
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 2: Necessarily, I would not cosign that if I see you

1164
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 2: on So go back to Tesla.

1165
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 3: We will all be much better off.

1166
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: Some more billionaire news for you today, Mark Cuban put

1167
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: this up on the screen, some interesting moves that are

1168
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 1: sparking twenty twenty four shatter for mister businessman Mark Cuban.

1169
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: He says he's leaving Shark Tank after another season, but

1170
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: in addition, put this up on the screen.

1171
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 4: This maybe even warned. Note where I don't know.

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00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: Dallas Maverick's owner Mark Cuban, has also entered into an

1173
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: agreement to sell a majority steak in the NBA franchise

1174
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: to the family that runs the Las Vegas Hans Casino company.

1175
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: It was announced Wednesday that deal could be completed in

1176
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: the coming weeks with evaluation in the range of three

1177
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Speaker 1: point five billion.

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00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 4: So he's leaving Shark.

1179
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: Tank and he's selling off his steak in the Dallas Mavericks. Gee,

1180
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: wonder what he could be planning on doing. So, of

1181
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: course everybody's minds went to, maybe this dude is going

1182
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 1: to run for president. I mean, he's flirted with it before.

1183
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: He's obviously very politically interested. We pulled an interview with

1184
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: him that I'll get to it a little bit of

1185
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: where exactly his politics are act. I think it's fair

1186
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: to say a little hard to define at times. But

1187
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: you've got the specter of these two old men that

1188
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: everybody hates being the Democratic and the Republican nominee. Again,

1189
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: people desperately looking for some kind of an alternative. RFK

1190
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: Junior jumping in the race and instantly jump into like

1191
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: twenty percent of the vote just because he's not Biden

1192
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: or Trump, and because he's got a famous last name,

1193
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: so you know, it's not crazy for him to look

1194
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: at it and go basically like, you probably only need

1195
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: like thirty percent of the vote to maybe win this

1196
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: thing and have a real shot at it. And with

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00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: all the money in the world that I've got and

1198
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: famous name that I've gotten, influence, and you know, relatively

1199
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Speaker 1: well liked, et cetera, maybe I should give it a go.

1200
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think he should run, especially in

1201
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: this crazy time.

1202
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 3: I'm for it. Yeah, I'm pro. I've always been pro

1203
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 3: Mark Cuban.

1204
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 2: I like Mark Cuban, although he has some very cringe

1205
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 2: boomer beliefs on many things. But when you've got the

1206
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: array of options we have, you know, in front of us,

1207
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 2: each one of them has to be a very plus

1208
00:57:58,520 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 2: or minus situation.

1209
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 4: And we were able to unite you and I.

1210
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 3: Sagar on over pro Mark Cuban.

1211
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, He's not my number one choice, but if

1212
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: my choices are him and Biden and Trump, I think

1213
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: he's got pretty good.

1214
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 3: Sh I'm not sure.

1215
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 2: I say I'm an accelerationist now at this point where

1216
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: I really see both of them die. So if it

1217
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: comes down to it. We'll see it. I'll tease you

1218
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: for you, especially when are you and her in the race,

1219
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: but I'll leave it and I'll try and analyze it

1220
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: without it. In terms of Cuban from a personal level,

1221
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: what we all know is he loves the Mavericks. Why

1222
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: is he selling the Mavericks right now? Oh, he's just

1223
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 2: dying to sell it to Sheldon Agelson. He's not too

1224
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 2: he's not old enough to actually be retiring. He's only

1225
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 2: sixty five years old. His two kids are not I mean,

1226
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 2: they're young ish, I believe like one of them is

1227
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 2: in college.

1228
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 3: I'm not sure about the other one. So hits.

1229
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: He still has a place to be, you know, he's

1230
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: in a place where he can keep working and he's

1231
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 2: not like sacrificing something necessarily at home from Shark Tank,

1232
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 2: it's like Trump in the level of normy fame that

1233
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 2: he has. He's literally a household name. It has been

1234
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 2: for decads. Remember, like he was one of the first

1235
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: famous dot com billionaires who parlayed it, you know, into

1236
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 2: lasting fame and to television, to interviews. He's always kind

1237
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: of been all over the map. His prescription drug company

1238
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 2: is genuinely capital g good, like a great thing. It

1239
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: is that a lot of people use and people rightfully admire.

1240
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 3: So I put it all together.

1241
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 2: He's got the sports fame, he's got Shark Tank, he's

1242
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 2: got this prescription drug thing, very into.

1243
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's charismatic, he's.

1244
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 2: Well spoken, he loves the media, loves it's famous. Everybody

1245
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 2: in Washington has the guy's email address because he actually

1246
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 2: replies and he doesn't even have an assistance. Sometimes he'll

1247
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 2: give his thoughts and he happily. He will accept interviews

1248
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: like with whomever people are asking. He'll appine on politics,

1249
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 2: economics and all. He's got the right Yeah, we interviewed

1250
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 2: him once. He's got the right temperament. He's got the

1251
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: right love of the game. He's got enough money, and

1252
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 2: I think he could thread the needle, especially in such

1253
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 2: a divideided race, to come forward.

1254
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 3: So if you want to get into.

1255
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 4: Something, he'd be for.

1256
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: I mean he would. I think he'd be formidable. I

1257
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: think he would be formidable. And you know his politics.

1258
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: I think he's sort of libertarian ish. Now we should

1259
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: go ahead.

1260
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 3: And say he's all over the map.

1261
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: We should go ahead and say he vehemently denies that

1262
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: this is the work. Put this stuff on the screen.

1263
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: This is NBC News. Mark Cuban says he has no

1264
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: plans to run for the White House in twenty twenty four.

1265
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 4: No plans doesn't mean that you're not going to do it.

1266
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: He can always make those plans socc Exactly, it's not

1267
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: too late to make the plans.

1268
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 4: So.

1269
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: In July, Cuban had said he was not considering in

1270
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four presidential bid as a third party candidate

1271
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: no labels, was trying to still trying to.

1272
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 4: Form a presidential ticket.

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01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: He said at that time, my family would disown me

1274
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: if he ran for president. He was asked by NBC

1275
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: on Wednesday if there had been any change in his

1276
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: considerations on whether to run. Cuban said, in an email

1277
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: to NBC News quote, no plans to run. So he

1278
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: officially denies that he's any interest in this. No plans

1279
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: currently at least to run. So's that's where the stay

1280
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: of the speculation is in terms of politics. I just

1281
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: pulled this from this New York Times interview that he

1282
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: gave not too long ago, where he was goinging asked

1283
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: questions about, you know, I felt about Biden and what

1284
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: his approach to government spending, etc. Would be and put

1285
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: this up on the screen.

1286
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 4: Guy.

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01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: So he was talking about his libertarian ish views and

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01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: if he's evolved over the years, basically comes down on

1289
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: the side of he doesn't want a lot of new

1290
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: quote unquote programs. He prefers, He says, bigger government checks

1291
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: written to people and more jobs created than more programs created.

1292
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: Whether that's progressive or conservative, I don't know or care.

1293
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: He goes on to say it another point has to

1294
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: be direct compensation via jobs and stimulus programs. That has

1295
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: got to be the foundation of everything he talking about.

1296
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: Joe Biden does yeah, and he's I mean in terms

1297
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: of cultural issues, he's more or less like on the

1298
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: liberal side of the equation.

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Speaker 4: Tends to be.

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01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's liberal socially, he's also kind of terran.

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01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 2: I mean, the reason I'm pro Cuban is just again,

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Speaker 2: I'm really accelerations at this point where I want to

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Speaker 2: see it all blow up. And I think he's a

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Speaker 2: formidable enough name to be able to pierce through, especially

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Speaker 2: when you've got RFK and Trump and Biden all coming

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Speaker 2: within twenty thirty points of the vote. He actually could

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Speaker 2: get himself to a point where it would either be

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Speaker 2: a split election and it could be thrown to the

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Speaker 2: House of Representatives.

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Speaker 3: No, I have been trying to wrap my head around it.

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Speaker 2: Me and you and the whole team spent some time

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Speaker 2: thinking about contingent elections and what it would look like.

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Speaker 2: We have not had a contingent election in the United

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Speaker 2: States since.

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Speaker 3: Eighteen thirty seven.

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Speaker 2: That's when the House of Representatives decides the vote whenever

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Speaker 2: not enough people get enough votes in the Electoral College.

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Speaker 2: We came relatively close during the Corrupt Bargain in eighteen

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Speaker 2: seventy six with Tilden and with Rutherford B. Hayes, and

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Speaker 2: that was the whole Electoral Commission, and they eventually swung

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Speaker 2: it in his direction. But I'm pro chaos in general,

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Speaker 2: and I think maybe we're you know, we could be

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Speaker 2: at a time like this, so we'll certainly see.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I mean a contingent election.

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Speaker 1: What that means is nobody gets the requisite number of

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Speaker 1: Electoral College and it's like, let me now, and the

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Speaker 1: basic ideas that gets kicked to the House of Representatives.

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Speaker 1: So then you would assume that whatever the partisan makeup

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Speaker 1: is of the House is what rules the day.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it.

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Speaker 1: Hasn't been done in a really long time. So you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not super clear cut exactly how this would all

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Speaker 1: go down. But we're a long way from there, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're way down the speculation train at this point. But

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Speaker 1: interesting moves from our cuban. Nonetheless, it'd be fun. Also

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Speaker 1: some interesting moves being made over at GM. Of course,

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Speaker 1: in the wake of the UAW strike, which led to

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Speaker 1: significant gains for their membership, GM is now making some

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Speaker 1: really extraordinary decisions with regards to their money. Put this

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Speaker 1: up on the screen from the Wall Street Journal. So

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Speaker 1: they have just announced. Remember this company goes, oh, we

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Speaker 1: can't afford all these pay raises for workers, et cetera. Well,

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Speaker 1: now they've announced a ten billion dollar stock buyback in

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Speaker 1: a bid to assuage investors. The automaker plans the stock

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Speaker 1: buyback and dividend increase amid reduced spending on electric and

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Speaker 1: driverless cars. So basically there's been a pullback, partly I

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Speaker 1: think because gas price has gone down, partly because you know,

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Speaker 1: consumers are just not doing all that well. There's been

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Speaker 1: a pullback and spending on autonomous vehicles. The GM crews

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Speaker 1: autonomous vehicles run into some issues too, and it's rollout

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Speaker 1: and on electric vehicles. So in an effort to like

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Speaker 1: you know, sort of like keep their investors fat and happy,

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Speaker 1: they've announced this ten billion dollar share repurchase. The funny

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Speaker 1: thing about this is that you'll recall, the labor additional

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Speaker 1: labor costs from the new gm UAW contract is in

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Speaker 1: roughly the same ballpark nine point three billion dollars. So

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Speaker 1: they were crying poor over that. But then they're just like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we can just you know, give ten billion dollars to

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Speaker 1: our investors and do this big stock buy back. They're

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Speaker 1: saying they're going to find the money for the additional

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Speaker 1: labor costs by cutting back on effectively research and development

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Speaker 1: of evs and of autonomous vehicles, so prioritizing the desires

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Speaker 1: of their shareholders over like the future of the company,

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Speaker 1: let alone their workforce.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I wanted there's actually a lot to say about this.

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Speaker 2: First and foremost, let's put the next one please up

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Speaker 2: there on the screen, because it does show you how

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Speaker 2: full of it they were during those negotiations, because they

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Speaker 2: said that the idea that they could afford the nine

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Speaker 2: point three billion in additional labor costs was ludicrous when

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Speaker 2: they turn around immediately and spend ten billion dollars this year,

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Speaker 2: just in one year, buying back their own stock to

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Speaker 2: juice the value. The big other substory to this, though,

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01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 2: is a middle finger to the Biden administration. Joe Biden

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01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 2: stood up there with the CEO of GM and said

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Speaker 2: that GM was the leader in the electric car revolution.

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Speaker 2: This is something actually Elon talked about yesterday, which is

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01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 2: insane because they made like twenty something cars in the

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Speaker 2: same year that Tesla made three hundred thousand. That Tesla model, Why,

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Speaker 2: as Elon said yesterday, will be the best selling car

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Speaker 2: on Earth of this year. So to prop up GM,

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01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 2: the Big Three and all those relative to Tassel right

1383
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 2: now is absurd. But the big thing that this really

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01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 2: calls into question is the internal dedication that the Big

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Speaker 2: three have cleaned to have on electric cars and the revolution,

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Speaker 2: and then now where they're actually putting their money, because

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Speaker 2: what remains dramatically profitable for them are big ass trucks

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Speaker 2: and SUVs for Ford, for GM, that's really the only

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Speaker 2: place in America remains competitive in cars, and they're basically

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Speaker 2: doubling down on that, rejecting a lot of the federal

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Speaker 2: dollars and others that the Inflation Reduction Act supposedly was

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Speaker 2: going to try and to fix, and they're going right

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Speaker 2: back to stock buy back. I have always been for

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Speaker 2: a total ban on stock buybacks for the fortune five hundred,

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Speaker 2: especially when they're the recipients of the incredible amount of

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Speaker 2: corporate welfare. People like GM and all of them are

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Speaker 2: do we save GM? America did and then infuse them

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Speaker 2: with billions more for electric cars, and then they turn

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Speaker 2: around and then buy back their own stock. So this

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Speaker 2: is a major indictment of Joe Biden that it hasn't

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Speaker 2: been interpret did get that way?

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Speaker 3: He deserves it.

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Speaker 4: That's a good point.

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Speaker 1: And in that op bad that Mary Barrow wrote during

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Speaker 1: the union negotiations, she described the uaw's demands as quote

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Speaker 1: unquote untenable because they were, Oh, they're so outrageous, there's

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Speaker 1: no way we can afford it. The other piece that

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Speaker 1: is remarkable to me is she said that one of

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Speaker 1: the myths of this misinformation that was being spread during

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Speaker 1: the strike was that record profits go toward fueling corporate greed. No,

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Speaker 1: she says, those record profits are reinvested in our company

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Speaker 1: and our people as they do a ten billion dollar

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Speaker 1: stock buyback in lieu of investment, research and development for

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Speaker 1: the future of the company. More perfect union had, you know,

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Speaker 1: the very clear cut take of they know where to

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Speaker 1: get that ten billion dollars for the additional labor costs

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Speaker 1: from Put this up on the screen. Guys, they've got

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Speaker 1: side by side here. GM says union labor deals are

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Speaker 1: going to increase cost by nine point three billion, and

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Speaker 1: then next to a Bloomberg GM to hike dividend, buy

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Speaker 1: back ten billion dollars of slumping stuff. So that's that

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Speaker 1: piece of it. But there's another extraordinary thing happening in

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Speaker 1: the labor world and in the auto worker world, which

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Speaker 1: is when the UAW was able to secure and negotiate

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Speaker 1: those new contracts with the Big three, they said, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're coming for additional carmakers next Next time, it's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be the Big three, it's going to be the

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Speaker 1: Big five or six. Sean Fain just announced perhaps the

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Speaker 1: largest organizing effort maybe in US history, going after one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand workers at a variety of automakers

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Speaker 1: and what is just an extraordinary effort to unionize foreign

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Speaker 1: automakers and also Tesla in the wake of their incredible

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Speaker 1: success with this stand up strike. Let's take a listen

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Speaker 1: to a little bit of the video that they used

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Speaker 1: to announce this effort.

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Speaker 10: Across the country from the West to the Midwest, and

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01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 10: especially in the South, are reaching out to join our

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Speaker 10: movement and to join the UAW. So go to UAW

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Speaker 10: dot org slash join The money is there, the time

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01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 10: is right, and the answer is simple. You don't have

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01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 10: to live paycheck to paycheck. You don't have to worry

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01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 10: about and how you're going to pay your inn or

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01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 10: feed your family while the company makes billions. A better

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01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 10: life is out there. It starts with you UAW.

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Speaker 1: The bottom line here auto workers are more than a

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01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: dozen non union companies simultaneously announcing campaigns to try to unionize.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it makes all the sense in the world, because, yeah,

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01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 1: we all just watched this play out and it was

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01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,799
Speaker 1: so clear the games that they were able to achieve,

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01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: and so we set this at the time, like if

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Speaker 1: you're working on Tesla, if you're working on Toyota, if

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01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: you're working on Hyundai, you can see what they're set

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01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: to make and what their benefits look like, and what

1454
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 1: their retirement package looks like versus what you are making,

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Speaker 1: and you go, the only difference here, I'm doing the

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Speaker 1: same job. The only difference is they have a union

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Speaker 1: and I don't. This is totally different from you know,

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01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: recent track record in terms of labor history, even just

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01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,480
Speaker 1: if you consider the UAW. You know, their previous leadership

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01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 1: was taking these concessionary contracts. They're incredibly cozy with the

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Speaker 1: business class, and so what case do they have to

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Speaker 1: make to autoworkers that it's worth taking the risk to

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Speaker 1: unionize when they're not delivering for their membership. So it's

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Speaker 1: going to be, you know, it'll be something to watch

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01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: this in how it unfolds and see if they're able

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Speaker 1: to achieve success.

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Speaker 3: I'm regardless of whether they win or not.

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Speaker 2: Actually it doesn't really matter because it had such massive

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01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 2: increases at Toyota and many of these other companies already

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Speaker 2: as a results pay raise that we had to give

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Speaker 2: a pay raise and they will remain so especially if

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Speaker 2: the cyber truck is success that we all think it

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Speaker 2: is going to be for the company, I mean the

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Speaker 2: margins on that and given there the extraordinary sales of

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Speaker 2: that company or something that again people do not grapple

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Speaker 2: with like Tasla is out selling freaking Toyota in the

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Speaker 2: state of California. That is insane for an American car company.

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Speaker 2: They're going to sell several hundred thousand vehicles in the

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Speaker 2: US and across the world in a single year, brand

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Speaker 2: new vehicles, and probably going to do it all again

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01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 2: the next year with brand new manufacturing technology a full

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01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 2: electric car. Elon even said this yesterday, and I thought

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01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 2: it was particularly insightful. The supercharging network itself inside of Tesla,

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01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 2: if it was spun off like AWS would be from Amazon,

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01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,799
Speaker 2: would be a fortune five hundred companies, just the fortune,

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01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 2: just the supercharging. It remains one of probably the largest

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Speaker 2: private infrastructure projects in the modern history of the United States.

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01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 2: So anyway, all of this is just a way of

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01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 2: showing that American car manufacturing.

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Speaker 3: We genuinely could be re entering a golden age.

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01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 2: If we cracked down on corporate irresponsibility, outsourcing in stock buybacks,

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Speaker 2: which got the US companies to where they are today.

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01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,799
Speaker 2: They basically sold us all out in the seventies and eighties.

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01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 2: They decided not to innovate. They let Japan come in

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01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 2: and basically eat their lunch completely they refused to actually

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01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 2: negotiate a think properly with the unions until it was

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01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:01,759
Speaker 2: too late, and then they went bust in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and eight. So if they can stop a lot of that,

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Speaker 2: and this is going to require like some responsible federal policy,

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Speaker 2: we you know, ten twenty years from now could be

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01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 2: living in a much much better off as for a

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01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 2: US car company.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and it's remarkable to think back on the history too,

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01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: because I mean, you know, the big three of these

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01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 1: are iconic American brands. They're synonymous with the American middle class.

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Speaker 1: You know, there were an important part of the growth

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01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: of you know, the early labor movement in the United States.

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01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: And so if these auto workers and car companies once

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01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: again are part of rebuilding the American middle class and

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01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: re sparking resurgence of a new labor movement, I mean,

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01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: that would just be you know, an extraordinary moment in

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01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:41,719
Speaker 1: terms of American labor history.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I would absolutely love to see it. I'd love

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01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 2: to see it for America. I would love for the

1515
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 2: majority here and you know, again to bring it back

1516
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 2: elon again. Saying this yesterday was actually again the more

1517
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 2: interesting part of the interview beyond Twitter was a lot

1518
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 2: of his thoughts on China is it's very possible in

1519
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 2: the future if they don't get there act together, the

1520
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 2: top ten car companies in the world twenty years from

1521
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 2: now will be Tesla and then nine other Chinese companies.

1522
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 2: We don't want that for a variety of reasons, from

1523
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 2: supply chain and more especially if things go more electric

1524
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,719
Speaker 2: and they become more consumer friendly, because they'll basically control

1525
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 2: the inputs for everything. So yeah, if we want to

1526
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 2: remain competitive and to control the jobs, not even just

1527
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 2: of the future, but really of the entire world and

1528
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 2: what they want to consume, then we have to got

1529
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 2: to rely on it. Right now, A lot of people

1530
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 2: don't realize a ton of Europeans drive forward and drive

1531
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 2: chef like when you go over there, you see them everywhere. Yeah,

1532
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 2: and if we want to retain that market share and

1533
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 2: not let bid come in and just destroy it, like,

1534
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 2: we've got to remain competitive here and to continue to

1535
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 2: actually make decent products.

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01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean, the benefits of electric vehicles over

1537
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 1: gas power vehicles are only going to grow as the

1538
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: charging infrastructure is built out, as the battery life becomes longer.

1539
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 1: You know, these things that remain barriers for people in

1540
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: terms of buying cars, and of course as the price

1541
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 1: comes down with mass production. You know, I don't think

1542
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:04,599
Speaker 1: there's any doubt that there's going to be a switch over.

1543
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: And then there's just a question of whether it's going

1544
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 1: to be automakers based here or in China that are

1545
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 1: the ones that win the day.

1546
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the big question is And people know I'm not,

1547
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 2: you know, supportive of one hundred percent electric.

1548
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 3: If we will drive gas, go for it.

1549
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 2: I am supportive of the option and of building the

1550
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 2: infrastructure and all of that. So we want to make

1551
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 2: it actually competitive, and I think that's something again in

1552
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,679
Speaker 2: America could do because China is much more of a

1553
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 2: mandating society. But there's a lot of stuff that goes

1554
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 2: into it, and it's a very interesting conversation. Let's move

1555
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 2: on to the next part here. This is just an

1556
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 2: amazing story from the Daily.

1557
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 3: Can't help but grin.

1558
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,759
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a big day for UFOs actually here

1559
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 2: in Washington, and we're going to peg it to this

1560
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 2: story from the Daily Mail. Now, before you say, oh,

1561
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 2: it's the Daily Mail, how can you believe it? Many

1562
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 2: of the people who wrote it have been a long

1563
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 2: time researched, very well respected in the community. And furthermore,

1564
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 2: there's been a real mainstream media blackout on the story

1565
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 2: very recently. Don't forget that the whistleblower complaint from Dave

1566
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 2: Grush and others was rejected from The New York Times,

1567
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 2: Washington Post, from many other major outlets. So in some

1568
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 2: cases this really comes down to who's willing to publish

1569
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 2: what seems to be a highly legitimate story. Let's put

1570
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 2: it up there, then on the screen, this says that

1571
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 2: the CIA Secret Office, the Office of Global Access, which

1572
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 2: apparently is based here in the United States, a wing

1573
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,919
Speaker 2: of the CIA, has played a central role in collecting

1574
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 2: alleged nine alien spacecraft crash sites from around the world.

1575
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,560
Speaker 2: This is since two thousand and three. Not necessarily that

1576
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 2: these have crashed in two thousand and three, but they

1577
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,639
Speaker 2: have played a role since two thousand and three quote

1578
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 2: in orchestrating these collection. The three sources, who spoke on

1579
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 2: condition of anonymities to avoid reprisals, have been briefed by

1580
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 2: individuals involved in these alleged UFO retrieval missions and the

1581
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 2: claims though as I'm reading from them, though they sound

1582
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 2: like they're come from a science fiction novel, are part

1583
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 2: of a growing body of evidence suggesting that the government

1584
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: could indeed be hiding advanced vehicles that were not made

1585
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 2: by humans. They peg it to a major fight that

1586
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 2: remains going on here in Washington around the UFO transparency legislation.

1587
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,799
Speaker 2: A lot of this is actually coming to head today

1588
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,799
Speaker 2: while we are filming this. It won't be clear until

1589
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:11,759
Speaker 2: the end the TLDR really is this. The Senate passed

1590
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 2: a piece of legislation inside the NDAA, which is the

1591
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 2: National Defense Authorization Act, includes all the funding for the Pentagon,

1592
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 2: which included an amendment that required transparency from the government.

1593
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 2: It was very specifically worded around what the government has

1594
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 2: knowledge wise around UFOs. There has now been an effort

1595
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,759
Speaker 2: inside the House of Representatives to try and kill that effort.

1596
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 2: Representative Tim Burchett, who's been a real leader for transparency,

1597
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 2: spoke with Tucker Carlson just yesterday about the cover up.

1598
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 3: Here Here's what he had to say.

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01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 9: That's really all I want is transparency. Where where we're

1600
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 9: spending all this money on something and where's it going?

1601
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 9: And why do they not trust the American public? Those

1602
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 9: are the things that people need to ask you can

1603
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 9: you know, as I said at the hearing, I said,

1604
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 9: we're not going to bring in a UFO, We're not

1605
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 9: going to bring in little Green Man. But what we

1606
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 9: want is transparency. And unfortunately we don't have much of

1607
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 9: that in the United States Congress because they, oh, look

1608
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 9: there's another shiny object over here. They'll misdirect us over here,

1609
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 9: they'll misdirect us over there. But I believe this community

1610
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 9: is very, very in tune to what's going on and

1611
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 9: the cover up that's been going on.

1612
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 3: So obviously Burchett, he is on the committee.

1613
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 2: He also has been denied multiple classified briefing rooms in

1614
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 2: order to get classified information from the UFO, which the

1615
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 2: blower Dave Grush, and the chief opponent of this legislation

1616
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 2: has been one of his colleagues who is very very

1617
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 2: influential on the committee. Here is what Representative Mike Turner,

1618
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 2: who has been that opponent, He was actually caught in

1619
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 2: the hallways of Congress yesterday. Here is what he claims

1620
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 2: is why he has opposition to the legislation.

1621
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

1622
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 2: We have heard that you had some opposition to that language.

1623
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 2: Is that true and if it is, what are your

1624
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 2: objections to it?

1625
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 11: Sure, well, I've spoke to Center Rounds about this directly,

1626
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 11: and I'm not holding up his provision at all. I

1627
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 11: think it's a poorly drafted piece of legislation. Also, what

1628
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,719
Speaker 11: really find interesting about what I call the pro alien

1629
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 11: caucus over here in the House, Unlike you, not one

1630
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 11: of them has ever spoken to me about any of

1631
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 11: these issues. I mean you and I are speaking. You

1632
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 11: would think that if this is that important of an

1633
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 11: issue to them, at least one member of the House

1634
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 11: who's advancing this cause would actually come up and substantively

1635
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 11: talk to me about this issue.

1636
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 3: No one has even raised it.

1637
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 11: Perhaps you might want to ask them why they have it.

1638
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 2: As I understand that that is not one hundred percent

1639
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 2: true in terms of the people like Anna, Paulina Luna

1640
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 2: and even Democrats jere At Moscowitz others who have had objections.

1641
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 2: But Crystal, a lot of people are pointing to the

1642
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 2: fact that that congressman has some of the biggest donations

1643
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:48,440
Speaker 2: from military industrial companies and others in a long relationship

1644
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 2: with the intelligence community. I am told and I can

1645
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 2: only tell you this on background from people who are involved.

1646
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 2: Just got an update from people intimately involved this morning,

1647
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 2: and here's what they had to say. They said that

1648
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 2: there's a lot of move parts on the situation. If

1649
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 2: in terms of what we're going on, they believe that

1650
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 2: they will overcome the hurdle on actually getting the legislation attached,

1651
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:10,719
Speaker 2: but they're not one hundred percent sure.

1652
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 3: So lots of stuff going on behind the scenes.

1653
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 2: It could be that the congressman's objections are legitimate, but

1654
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 2: from everyone I know is involved behind the scenes in

1655
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 2: the process, he really has been doing this at the

1656
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 2: behest of the intelligence community.

1657
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 3: Another reason why he doesn't.

1658
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 1: Really reason the objection exactly. He's just like, well, it's

1659
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 1: poorly crafton. By the way, why don't they talk to me.

1660
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 1: It's not really like a reason.

1661
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 3: So more inside baseball.

1662
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 2: One of the reasons why the intel community wanted to

1663
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 2: nuke this in the House and not in the Senate

1664
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 2: is because this was a priority for Senator Schumer, who's

1665
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,639
Speaker 2: the majority leader. So CIA and all these others didn't

1666
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 2: want to piss off Schumer by going after what he

1667
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 2: was doing in the Senate. And they're like, well, we

1668
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 2: have the Republicans in the House, we'll just use our

1669
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 2: stooges who are there to try and kill the legislation.

1670
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 2: But there's enough actually public I would say, not outrage

1671
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 2: per se, but enough people who are obsessed with this

1672
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 2: topic like me, who have been monitoring all of this

1673
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 2: and who have been called and bringing attention. So it

1674
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 2: is certainly possible that we could prevail with this legislation

1675
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 2: to actually get transparency.

1676
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 3: So that's the subject of it all.

1677
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 1: Tell me more about what you thought about this Daily

1678
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 1: Mail report. I found it interesting. You know, they go

1679
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: into the description of what this office is supposed to be,

1680
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: the OGA. They talk about one of the guys who

1681
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 1: supposedly set up the office how he described his job.

1682
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:28,480
Speaker 1: He said he was responsible for leading and managing strategic

1683
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: unwarned access programs that deliver intelligence from the most challenging

1684
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: denied areas and served as program manager with responsibility for

1685
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 1: the end to end system acquisition of an innovative news

1686
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:46,719
Speaker 1: source and method for the intelligence community, which I enjoyed,

1687
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: like the gooul speak number one.

1688
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,639
Speaker 4: But yeah, what do you make of this report?

1689
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 1: I mean, again, like Daily Mail, You're like, I don't know,

1690
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 1: question marks, the eyebrowsreies, but they have a lot of

1691
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: sources and the thing that made me the most I

1692
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 1: guess optical of the CIA's story on this, or the

1693
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 1: fact that they deny that this is really going on.

1694
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:08,839
Speaker 1: Was some of that goal speak covering up what seems

1695
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 1: to be whatever is going on.

1696
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 3: I'm glad you read that.

1697
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was going to point to Wit

1698
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 2: to me and tell me that's not the shadiest thing

1699
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 2: you've ever heard. And again it raises the thing a

1700
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 2: question of we're entering a binary world. It's like they're

1701
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:26,719
Speaker 2: either involved in crashed retrieval for foreign objects China, Russia, India.

1702
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 2: Who knows, one of the world's most advanced countries has

1703
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 2: developed something which we allegedly had never heard of. It's

1704
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 2: never even showed up in research or any of these things,

1705
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:36,759
Speaker 2: and the CIA is covering that up. That in itself

1706
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,759
Speaker 2: is a scandal. You know, it's a secret US government program.

1707
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 2: I've said this too, Then sure release it, you know why,

1708
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 2: because it would obviously have an incredible commercial application and

1709
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 2: we would all have to stop getting stop having to

1710
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 2: be on sixteen seventeen hour flights if you want to

1711
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 2: go to Asia or it is extraterrestrial. Now, of course,

1712
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 2: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. All of this is just

1713
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 2: even more three whistle lower say, and enough people in

1714
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 2: the comments are going to be like, just show me

1715
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 2: the damn crap.

1716
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 3: I agree with you, Phil, That's why I support the.

1717
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 2: Legislation because if that is going to lead to any

1718
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 2: sort of disclosure. The other point though, that I would

1719
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 2: say is after the JFK movie by Oliver Stone, incredible

1720
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 2: movie came out in nineteen ninety one. It led to

1721
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety two JFK Assassination Records Act, which required

1722
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 2: release over the next twenty years. And guess what, it's

1723
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 2: still twenty twenty three and we don't have it. And

1724
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 2: the reason why is because there are very substantial interests

1725
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 2: in Washington, in every White House since in Congress, and

1726
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 2: within the CIA who don't want us to know that

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Speaker 2: they were deeply involved in the assassination plot to kill Kennedy.

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Speaker 2: So it's not like this is a perfect catch all.

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Speaker 2: I think this is actually equivalent really to that, which

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Speaker 2: is another step.

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Speaker 1: It's a tool well, And because that because that is

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Speaker 1: a law on the books, then people like Jefferson Morley,

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01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: who's a researcher and affiliated organizations can go and say

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Speaker 1: you are in breach of the law you pass of

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01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 1: your congressionally mandated responsibilities, so they can use that as

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Speaker 1: a cudge then to try to secure a different additional documents.

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Speaker 1: And you know, they have not gotten everything, but they

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01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 1: have been able to, you know, secure additional information that

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01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 1: has been revelatory in terms of JFK's assassination. So you know,

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Speaker 1: without really having a dog in this fight, I'm just

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01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 1: for transparency and let's learn whatever we can about whatever

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01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: the hell is going.

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01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, and I appreciate always a neutral observer

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01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 2: of the story.

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01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 3: So well, continue to keep everybody updated.

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01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:27,799
Speaker 2: There's allegedly going to be a press conference sometime today.

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01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 2: If it's big or anything like that, I'll give everybody

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01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 2: an update. But I'm watching it closely. I'm talking a

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01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 2: lot with the people who are involved on this. It's

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01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 2: not actually that big of a circle. Wasn't that hard

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01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 2: to find them in terms of some of the advocates

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01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 2: and all. So we'll well, we'll keep track and we'll

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Speaker 2: let you.

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Speaker 4: Guys know, all right, Sachery Looking at.

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Speaker 2: When I was in college in the twenty tens, nearly

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01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 2: every shirt I remember seeing said some variation of the

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01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 2: future is female. Cheryl Sandberg's book Lean In hit the

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01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:56,720
Speaker 2: stands to great acclaim, and the early days of Instagram

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01:23:56,760 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 2: activism at that time was populated almost entirely by graffics

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01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 2: about how women don't make as much as men in

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Speaker 2: the workplace. Female empowerment and equality in the workplace was

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01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 2: genuinely considered one of the most important elite issues.

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Speaker 3: Of the time.

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Speaker 2: I have no problem with the ideas behind that per se,

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01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 2: but what has enraged me now for years is the

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01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 2: prevalence of this outdated mode of thinking and refusal to

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01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 2: admit that in an incredibly short period of time, the

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01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 2: story has actually flipped completely. Not only are women doing

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01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 2: better in the workplace than ever, it appears that their

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01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 2: ascendance has masked the rapid decline of men, leading to

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01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 2: a genuine crisis. Nearly every piece of economic data that

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01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 2: we have confirms this. Just yesterday, the Washington Post triumphantly

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01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 2: published a new op ed that reflects this reality. Will

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01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 2: the spectacular she covery last, they ask, which includes a

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01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 2: chart showing a massive spike in employment for college educated

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01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 2: women with child under ten, now coupled with the other chart.

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01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 2: Though in the story, the data is truly remarkable, it

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01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 2: shows seventy five point three percent of prime aged women

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01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 2: in the workplace, in all time high in American history.

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01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 2: What they fail to mention is that this is a

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01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 2: one track story. College educated women are doing better than ever,

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01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 2: everyone else is suffering, and especially men. Employment rates for

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01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 2: prime age males between twenty five and fifty four is

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01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,719
Speaker 2: actually at a historic low, only eclipsed by twenty twenty

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01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 2: when people were forcibly held at home. The eighty five

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01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 2: percent of prime age males who are working today is

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01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 2: down by eight percent from the nineteen fifties, and much

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01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 2: of it can actually be explained where value is allocated

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01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 2: in society Today, the vast majority of employment gains in

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01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 2: the modern US economy are being captured by the college

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01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 2: educated elite. As you can see even the female employment

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01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 2: statistics for those women with no college degree and with

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01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 2: a child under ten are less employed today than they

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01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:47,600
Speaker 2: were in two thousand and three. This fits directly with

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01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 2: male employment statistics and wage data that shows that declining

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01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 2: male participation in higher education is heavily responsible for this.

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01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 2: Female participation in higher education has exploded in recent years

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01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 2: and amplified even more by the pandemic. A historic share

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01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 2: of men are not only dropping out of college, simply

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01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,679
Speaker 2: not even applying in the first place, for a variety

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01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 2: of reasons. One is cultural the perception of male hostility

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01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 2: on campus. Two is obviously just exploding costs, with many

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01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 2: considering it's not worth the wage premium to attend in

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01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 2: the future. And while that may be true as the

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01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 2: economy shifts, the lingering effects of the college premium are

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01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 2: still showing us clearly. Women not only have leaned in,

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01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 2: but men are leaning out. Young women are not only

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01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:34,400
Speaker 2: out earning young men in almost every major metro area

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01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 2: in the US, but especially so in the top dollar

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01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 2: markets like New York, Washington, DC, and Los Angeles. The

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01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 2: long term effects of women not only starting out higher

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01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,680
Speaker 2: wages but earning more over time will have a profound

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01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 2: impact on US society. It is leading to major demographic

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01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 2: problems in the future. College is a lot more than

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01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 2: just education. You can almost think of it as a

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01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:59,679
Speaker 2: quasi caste system. Whether you attended a four year college

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01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 2: degree or not indicates a lot about what type of

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01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 2: books that you like, what type of alcohol that you drink,

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01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 2: where you like to hang out, where you live, what

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01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 2: TV shows you like, and much more. It's a very

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01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 2: common bond that many share, and it is one of

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01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:15,799
Speaker 2: the largest cultural divides that we have today. Furthermore, reams

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01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 2: of data indicates now the women who go to college

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01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:20,600
Speaker 2: are very unlikely to consider a mate who has not

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01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 2: similarly attended. Again, there is nothing wrong with this, it's

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01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 2: just understandable because of the common cultural bond that they

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01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 2: may share. But at scale, it is leading to probably

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01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 2: the highest single rate amongst young men we've ever seen

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01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 2: in American history. Now, how does this work, you may ask,

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01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 2: But it's because many of these newly successful women are

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01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 2: not dating men in their traditional age bracket. They are

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01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 2: dating older men who have achieved more financial success, and

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01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 2: we're seen as more desirable mates. And as we all

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01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 2: might want to deny it, most of this comes back

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01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 2: to money and is downstream of education. College educated women

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01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 2: have triumphed in the new economy men and non college

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01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 2: educated women are significantly held back. This, by all accounts,

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01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,480
Speaker 2: is one of the most profound shifts in US employment

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01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 2: in all of American history, and yet it is mostly ignored.

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01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 2: The reason why is that most people just don't want

1841
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 2: to talk about male wages or male loneliness because they

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01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:17,520
Speaker 2: think it validates tropes about toxic masculinity.

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01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 3: I actually think it's the opposite.

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01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 2: If the only people talking about this crisis of men

1845
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 2: are those figures, then they will of course get even

1846
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 2: more attention. The longer and more that this is ignored

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01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 2: by the top leaders, the worst that the crisis will get,

1848
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 2: and the attendant eventual release of all of this rage

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01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 2: will be historic. So Crystal, there's a lot to say about.

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Speaker 3: next week.

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