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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: This debt ceiling battle is going to count four months

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Speaker 1: of account for months, I would say, of news media

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Speaker 1: stories before ultimately it gets resolved spoiler alert without the

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Speaker 1: United States defaulting and collapsing as a business. Just just

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Speaker 1: gonna let you know there is going to be a

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Speaker 1: resolution at some point. Now, what's become increasingly clear is

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Speaker 1: there are actually lots of Democrats, particularly in the Senate,

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Speaker 1: that seem willing to negotiate on this debt ceiling related issue.

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Speaker 1: And if that is true, then there is a pretty

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Speaker 1: good amount of leverage that Republicans have here if Republicans

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Speaker 1: remained steadfast. But Buck, the story here on the debt

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Speaker 1: ceiling is to me really missing the bigger story, which

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Speaker 1: is You've talked about this yesterday, and I was reading

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal this morning. They have a graphic.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to tweet it out for people to look at.

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Speaker 1: We had a five trillion dollar national debt at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of two thousand, right, which means for our nation's

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Speaker 1: entire history from seventeen eighty three when we became an

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Speaker 1: independent country. Until twenty twenty, we had built up a

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Speaker 1: five trillion dollar national debt. Since two thousand, we have

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Speaker 1: taken a five trillion national debt and it is now

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Speaker 1: over thirty one trillion. So in the space of twenty years, roughly,

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Speaker 1: we have added over twenty five trillion dollars two hour

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Speaker 1: national debt. And that's an average, rough math of over

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Speaker 1: a trillion dollars a year that we are adding to

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Speaker 1: the national debt. And I think we're on pace so

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Speaker 1: far this year to add around a trillion and a

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Speaker 1: half dollars to the national debt. And it got me

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Speaker 1: thinking several things. One, you may know the answer of this,

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Speaker 1: what comes after trillion? You know, you go million, billion,

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Speaker 1: trillion without looking it up. No, I have to look

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Speaker 1: it up. I don't know. No, No, I'm gonna guess.

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Speaker 1: Is it gazillion? Is that a real thing? It's a quadrillion,

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Speaker 1: So it's trillion is like try so quadrillion like four?

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Speaker 1: So you you have to look it up. I've been

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Speaker 1: almost no one out there knows because we keep And

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Speaker 1: the reason why I bring this up is I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's crazy to believe that in the lifetime of

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Speaker 1: many of you out there listening, and maybe in the

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Speaker 1: next generation when you start to factor in the rate

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Speaker 1: of interest payments and how much that's going to balloon

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Speaker 1: and expand our national debt. We're rapidly advancing towards a

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Speaker 1: hundred trillion dollar national debt. Buck Well, I think it's

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Speaker 1: I think it's worth asking, if there's no downside to

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Speaker 1: the dead, why care at all? Right? Because what's interesting

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Speaker 1: is when you bring this up, people say, oh, Republicans

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Speaker 1: complain about the dead, it's not a big deal. You know,

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Speaker 1: you'll hear this, and whether it's Paul Kraigman at the

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Speaker 1: New York Times or any other leftist economists out there

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Speaker 1: who will offer up their credentials as a means of

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Speaker 1: covering up for the very basic and straightforward reality of

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Speaker 1: this is about math. It's about numbers, and it's a

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Speaker 1: really big number that does have implications for everybody and

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Speaker 1: for the economy. The same reason why you can say

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Speaker 1: to people, well, if you don't think that, you know,

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Speaker 1: money printing is bad, why not just give every American.

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Speaker 1: I know they just said that they should give every

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Speaker 1: African American five million dollars in reparations, you know in California,

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Speaker 1: you know that would be on a smaller scale. But

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Speaker 1: you could give every American just a million dollars or

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Speaker 1: five million dollars. What's the downside? We know that you

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Speaker 1: would effectively destroy the entire value of the currency itself.

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Speaker 1: So we know that can happen and I wont or

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Speaker 1: at what point we're at that stage with the debt

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Speaker 1: where you talk about what could go wrong here? What

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Speaker 1: are the bad things from I do this with immigration

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Speaker 1: with people, illegal immigration with people all the time, because

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Speaker 1: also it's not a big deal or like you know

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Speaker 1: these are you know, it's a nation of immigrants and

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Speaker 1: we need the dreamers. And I say, okay, is there

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Speaker 1: any downside? Let's talk about the downside first? Is there

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Speaker 1: any downside? And once they if there's a downside, you say, well,

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Speaker 1: obviously the downside is exacerbated by an increase in the numbers. Right,

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Speaker 1: So if you can establish that something bad happens in

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Speaker 1: some level, the more of that you have, the more

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Speaker 1: of the bad side you're going to have. If you

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Speaker 1: can establish with the debt that you're going to have

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Speaker 1: increasing payments on the money you've already paid, and that

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Speaker 1: that brings the number up even more. Yes, And that

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Speaker 1: this is going to crowd out private investment, private spending

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Speaker 1: in the economy. This is going to be a burden,

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Speaker 1: a debt burden that future generations are going to have

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Speaker 1: to service for things that they get no benefit from,

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Speaker 1: and the political instability that comes from that. We can

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Speaker 1: agree on all of those things. Forty trillion fifty trillion

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Speaker 1: sounds like a lot of money to me, Clay, Yes,

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Speaker 1: and you mentioned Paul Krugman. I'm glad you did. His

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Speaker 1: New York Times editorial this morning refers to Republicans who

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Speaker 1: are opposed to raising the debt ceiling as economic terrorists.

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Speaker 1: Oh my head. Yes, literally in the print newspaper headline.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they've changed it digitally online. I

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Speaker 1: meant to take a picture of it and tweet it out.

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Speaker 1: But yes, my newspaper this morning. I'm sitting there reading,

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Speaker 1: as I do every morning, the New York Times and

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Speaker 1: then the Wall Street Journal or vice versa, you know,

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Speaker 1: old school, old man print school copy, and I just

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Speaker 1: to know what everybody's saying. And Paul Krugman says that

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Speaker 1: you can't negotiate that these are economic terrorists. In the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party who are attempting to question the amount of

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Speaker 1: money that's being spent. And so I think what we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get, Buck, I think we are moving towards an era.

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Speaker 1: This is my year. Clinton and Newt Gingrich hammered out

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Speaker 1: a budget that actually ended Remember that we had a surplus,

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Speaker 1: like we were actually bringing in more money than we

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Speaker 1: were spending, and our national debt actually started to go down.

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Speaker 1: And I think that was like ninety seven, ninety eight,

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Speaker 1: ninety nine. More of my argument, Buck that the late

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Speaker 1: nineties were the greatest moments in American history, and then

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Speaker 1: in the two thousands nine eleven happens budgets get blown up,

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Speaker 1: and since then we've basically allowed ourselves to believe one

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Speaker 1: crisis after another justifies as much spending as as as

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Speaker 1: we feel like we want to toss out there, right,

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Speaker 1: And Joe Biden was willing to spend five trillion more

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Speaker 1: dollars even though it took us a double digit inflation.

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Speaker 1: And so I wonder if there's going to be a

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Speaker 1: sort of acknowledgement of, hey, this is a big issue

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Speaker 1: and we have to resolve it. And the debt ceiling

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Speaker 1: is really just a prelude to a more substantive conversation

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Speaker 1: about a much bigger issue. Interesting in this exchange in

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Speaker 1: the New York Times, I'm seeing they had an opinion

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Speaker 1: an opinion section piece where they had I think it

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Speaker 1: was a podcast. They did a transcript of it and

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Speaker 1: a naked case that for this is from this transcript

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Speaker 1: for Republicans, the showdown in twenty eleven, they're firing previous

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Speaker 1: debt ceiling fights was the signal achievement of the Tea

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Speaker 1: Party staring down President Barack Obama and forcing the cuts

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Speaker 1: associated with the Budget Control Act. It validated one of

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Speaker 1: the animating forces of the right over the past decade

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Speaker 1: that the party's failures are a result of weak, feckless

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Speaker 1: leadership and if they fight, they win. For Democrats, this

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Speaker 1: is this guy Donovan saying this. For Democrats, including Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: who as Vice President had a front row seat to

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Speaker 1: that deal, it was evidence of why you should never

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Speaker 1: negotiate under these circumstances, because it enables and encourages more

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Speaker 1: hostage taking. So what I think is interesting about about

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Speaker 1: how they frame this is that Clay Okay, Republicans the

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Speaker 1: Budget Control Act for people who actually remember the Budget

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Speaker 1: Control Act, and I'm going to say this is part

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Speaker 1: of why I think the Tea Party started to lose

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Speaker 1: a little bit of steam. The Budget Control Act was

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Speaker 1: a reduction in the amount of increase in federal spending. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't actually going net decrease in all federal spending.

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Speaker 1: The Budget Control Act was we were going to increase

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Speaker 1: it by you know whatever. It was a few percentage points, which,

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Speaker 1: in the context of a multi trillion dollar federal budget

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Speaker 1: is a massive amount of money. We're gonna drop that

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Speaker 1: down a little bit. So instead of increasing the budget,

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Speaker 1: you know, three percent, we're going to increase increase at

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Speaker 1: two point five percent or two percent. I forget what

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Speaker 1: the numbers were, but that's what that huge fight was

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Speaker 1: over a decrease in the increase. Yes, well, and that's

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Speaker 1: well said. And remember for you know, just back of

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Speaker 1: the envelope math here. And I'm far from an economist,

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Speaker 1: but the amount we have to spend on social security

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Speaker 1: and medicare continues to grow, and it's growing now much

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Speaker 1: into account the massive rate of inflation. So we're getting

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Speaker 1: a big hit there to our budget simultaneously, we are

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Speaker 1: hitting monster numbers as it pertains to the five percent

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Speaker 1: soon to be five percent, I believe overall interest rate,

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Speaker 1: you know, and Buck. This is one of the things

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Speaker 1: that I think Trump floated that was brilliant, that got

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Speaker 1: almost no attention. Trump said, Hey, why wouldn't we go

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Speaker 1: ahead and refy our And again I don't know all

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Speaker 1: of the economic you know, involvement here, but he said,

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Speaker 1: why wouldn't we lock in the rate of our national

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Speaker 1: debt the money that we have borrowed at like zero

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Speaker 1: or one percent interest when that was the rate, instead

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Speaker 1: of allowing it to float almost like you know, if

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Speaker 1: you're a if you're taking out a mortgage and you've

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Speaker 1: if it's possible? And Trump floated the idea, and I

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Speaker 1: thought it was brilliant. Our national interest rate, like you

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Speaker 1: mathematically and financially illiterate. Well, yes, there's that too. Not

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Speaker 1: people like Krugman, by the way, saying that Trump was

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Speaker 1: a crazy person showed up outside of Kavanaugh's house saying

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Speaker 1: he wanted to assassinate a Supreme Court justice. There was

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Speaker 1: pressure brought to bear because of this leak, and there

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Speaker 1: were risks and there were dangers out there as a result.

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Speaker 1: No leaker found what happened here? Do we trust that

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Speaker 1: they turned over every stone? Shannon Bream is with us.

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Speaker 1: She is Fox News is chief Supreme Court Legal analyst. Shannon.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you on. It is my pleasure, buck.

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Speaker 1: How are you. I'm good, It's been a while since

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Speaker 1: we talked to you. We always always are very happy

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Speaker 1: when you get a moment to join us here, Shannon,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted really your We can get into some

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Speaker 1: of the details and some of what you think the

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Speaker 1: implications of this will be down the line. But first,

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Speaker 1: what was your thirty thousand foot view when the announcement

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Speaker 1: came out. Nothing. They didn't find out who did this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they say that they'll keep following leads and looking

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Speaker 1: at things that they have, but it sounded to me

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Speaker 1: like they got nothing because the warning of the statement

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Speaker 1: from the chord said, after everything we've done, forensic it, audit,

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Speaker 1: cell phones, texts, sworn off a David's interviews, we could

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Speaker 1: not find anyone by a preponderance of the evidence. Would

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Speaker 1: you know that's such a low standard. It's basically that

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Speaker 1: something is more. Thanks for coming on. First of all,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you some props. This is a big deal.

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Speaker 1: You are killing it on Fox News Sunday as the host.

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Speaker 1: If people haven't checked it out, they should thank you.

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Speaker 1: And you are going to be doing your show from

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Speaker 1: the end zone of the Super Bowl. Now. I know

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Speaker 1: your husband, he's fantastic. Is that maybe the thing he's

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Speaker 1: most impressed that you have ever pulled off in your

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Speaker 1: career to get to do a show from the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl End Zone on the Sunday of Super Bowl Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Probably so, although he was much less impressed with my

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Speaker 1: football skills, he actually bought me a nurse football and

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Speaker 1: is making me throw it because there's talk that I

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Speaker 1: may have to do some of these NFL's roles or

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Speaker 1: something more there. You don't want to pull a Fauci

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Speaker 1: on the baseball, Tosh Shannon. You got to get the

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Speaker 1: I've not mastered the spiral, that's for sure. So Buck

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Speaker 1: and Eye were talking, So congratulations on all that. Buck

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Speaker 1: and Eye were talking in the first hour and he

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Speaker 1: was reading through and I'm sure you did as well.

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Speaker 1: Even if they had found the person, the criminal behavior

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Speaker 1: they could be charged with. Do you think there might

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Speaker 1: be any motivation in the wake of this leak to

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Speaker 1: potentially have a statute drafted that would make it criminal

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Speaker 1: to engage in behavior like this as a further sign

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Speaker 1: not just to break the Supreme Court mores and traditions,

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Speaker 1: but also in the similar way that if you worked

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Speaker 1: at the CIA or the FBI and you were caught

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Speaker 1: leaking internally that that might make it clear that it's

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Speaker 1: a criminal offense. Does that make sense? Yeah, I totally

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Speaker 1: get it. And that's a great question because there are

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Speaker 1: laws out there that have to do with handling classified information.

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Speaker 1: A Supreme Court document, a draft of an opinion is

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Speaker 1: not considered classified. There are codes, ethics codes, those kinds

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Speaker 1: of things, but not necessarily a criminal penalty for disclosing

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Speaker 1: something that's secret information at the Supreme Court. That's another

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Speaker 1: reason that people have questions. Listen to, the Chief Justice

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Speaker 1: kept it in house. They wanted the Marshal inside the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court to handle this. But there's also this question

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Speaker 1: of Okay, if you brought in the FBI or DJ

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Speaker 1: which I can understand the reasons the may not want

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Speaker 1: to do that, But then if somebody lies to a

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Speaker 1: federal agent or investigator, that's a whole different issue versus Listen,

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Speaker 1: you can still get in trouble for signing a sworn statement,

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Speaker 1: which they say everybody they interview did, and they all

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Speaker 1: did that under penalty of perjury and denied that they

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Speaker 1: leaked the document. But you know, when you bring in

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Speaker 1: a federal agent, I think that turns up the temperature

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Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, the chief said, we're not going

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Speaker 1: to do that. So Shannon, it sounds like they could

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Speaker 1: have gone at a little more all out here than

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Speaker 1: they did at a minimum, right, I mean, whether they

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Speaker 1: were even willing to chase it in every way they

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Speaker 1: could with what they deployed here, they decided not to

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Speaker 1: go with the full heat that they could. Well, what's

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Speaker 1: tricky is you have classes of clerks. These you guys know,

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Speaker 1: they serve a year there and they generally cycle in

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Speaker 1: and out in July. So anybody who left in July

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two was no longer under the reach

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Speaker 1: of this investigation because it was being done internally of

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Speaker 1: Supreme Courts employees. And once they were gone, who knows

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Speaker 1: if it involved a clerk or not, but if it did,

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Speaker 1: you've now lost the ability to pursue that any further.

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Speaker 1: So that may be a gaping hole for a lot

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Speaker 1: of people that you would think, Okay, they are a

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Speaker 1: logical place to look. They potentially have different motivations, they

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Speaker 1: may be completely in the clear, but once they left

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Speaker 1: in July, this internal investigation had no way to reach them. Shannon,

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Speaker 1: I'm curious how you would assess this Buck and I

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Speaker 1: were also talking about, Hey, if you're a journalist and

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Speaker 1: a draft opinion gets dropped into your lap, one of

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Speaker 1: the first things I would think is, okay, am I

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Speaker 1: getting set up? Because there are lots of different opinions

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Speaker 1: that could or could not be valid. It's also possible,

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Speaker 1: you will know, every major law firm in the country

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Speaker 1: an exact science of what these things will look like.

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Speaker 1: So if I'm Politico, it's not only that I've got

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Speaker 1: the draft, it's that whoever is giving me the draft

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Speaker 1: has to be so supremely reliable that I'm willing to

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Speaker 1: go out there on a limb, because you're probably not

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Speaker 1: going to get any confirmation, right, Like, It's not like

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Speaker 1: you can call them up and be like, hey, Supreme Court,

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Speaker 1: we got its draft opinion. The Supreme Court's not gonna say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's accurate or inaccurate. Doesn't that lead you to believe

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Speaker 1: that whatever route by which this opinion got to them,

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Speaker 1: Politico felt like, Okay, this is a slam dunk. This

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Speaker 1: is one hundred percent reel. Yeah, and it makes it

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Speaker 1: feel like it lends credence to the theory that it

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Speaker 1: was an inside job. Also because the report we got

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Speaker 1: from the Supreme Court yesterday said we went through all

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Speaker 1: of our it, we used all the forensics we've had,

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Speaker 1: and we found it highly unlikely that someone breached our

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Speaker 1: system from outside or that this was a hack, which

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Speaker 1: is essentially them saying, too again, it sounds like it's

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Speaker 1: an inside job. And you're right. If I'm a reporter

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Speaker 1: and somebody brings it to me, you're every alarm and

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Speaker 1: bell and whistle is going to go off in your

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Speaker 1: head unless you are convinced that person had direct access

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Speaker 1: to it. And we know from this report there were

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Speaker 1: eighty two different people who did Yeah you don't. You

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Speaker 1: don't want to get Dan Rather? National Guard documented on

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Speaker 1: this one, So yeah, right, yeah they did. And I

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Speaker 1: like the way you described that is if it's its

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Speaker 1: own like dictionary entry, I think it kind of is

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Speaker 1: at this point, right, you got you got Dan Rather,

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Speaker 1: you got Dan Rathered, you ran with the fake docs,

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Speaker 1: and now you've got to pay the price. Shannon. In

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Speaker 1: the long term, we're speaking of Shannon Bream, Fox News

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Speaker 1: is chief Judicial Chief Supreme Court Analysts Shannon the the

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Speaker 1: court going forward, do you think that people were we

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Speaker 1: all just kind of aware that it was very politicized

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Speaker 1: before this, and so this doesn't do much. Or do

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Speaker 1: you think this has really shifted in shape perception about

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Speaker 1: a willingness to use the court and really abuse the

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Speaker 1: court as a weapon of politics. Yeah, and listen, the court,

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Speaker 1: it goes through waves of people who don't like it.

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Speaker 1: Whether your party appointees are short of in the majority

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Speaker 1: or they're in the minority. People, you know, we'll have

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Speaker 1: all kinds of very distinct criticisms of the court right now.

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Speaker 1: Democrats don't like it. They are in the minority when

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Speaker 1: it comes to their party's nominees, and so they talk

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Speaker 1: constantly about packing the court, about doing things to the

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Speaker 1: court so that it won't be political. Whereas you have

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Speaker 1: members of the court, including Justice Stephen Bryer, who was

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Speaker 1: on the left of the court, say when you start

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Speaker 1: to do stuff like that, it does politicize the court

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Speaker 1: and it does make the or it looked political. So listen,

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Speaker 1: there are people who are they've been split over robe

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Speaker 1: weight for fifty years, and so no matter what the

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Speaker 1: court did, the other side was going to view it

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Speaker 1: as political. You know, the substance of the decision, aside

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Speaker 1: from the fact that it was leaked. But that's the

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Speaker 1: absolute last thing. The justices over their one and they're

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Speaker 1: very sensitive to that. You know, any portrayal of them

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Speaker 1: is being partisan. Shannon, We're sitting at fifty one forty

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Speaker 1: nine for theoretically the next two years, assuming people stay healthy.

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Speaker 1: In all those things, there seems to be a certain

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Speaker 1: amount of pressure that is get ratcheted getting ratcheted up

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Speaker 1: on some of the older justices on the left wing,

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Speaker 1: even though they aren't particularly that old. With the idea

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Speaker 1: being you look at that map, twenty twenty four Senate

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Speaker 1: majority seems like it's really going to be in peril.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the Democrats dodged one here. Do you get the

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Speaker 1: sense that Joe Biden might have the chance to appoint

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Speaker 1: another justice or do you think everybody's basically going to

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Speaker 1: stay locked in, even though it may be a while

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Speaker 1: until we have at Democrats Senate and a Democrat president

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Speaker 1: both in office. Yeah, I think all the appointees, all

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Speaker 1: the current justices on the Court have very much invested

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Speaker 1: in staying put as long as they possibly can, for

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Speaker 1: various reasons that make sense based on the party that

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Speaker 1: put them there. The justices on the left side. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're relatively young in terms of Supreme Court justices, so

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Speaker 1: absent something that forced them to step down, I don't

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Speaker 1: see them going anywhere. You remember the enormous pressure that

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Speaker 1: was on Justice Ginsburg to step down before President Trump's election.

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Speaker 1: She was into her eighties and saying, you know, get lost,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere. So you know, there's always speculation

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Speaker 1: too about the Republican appointees. They are by and large

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Speaker 1: older than the other side of the bench, but they're

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Speaker 1: going to do everything they can to hang on through

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Speaker 1: the next presidential election, no doubt. Shannon bringing everybody. Shannon,

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Speaker 1: scribe Clay Travis buck Sexton Show podcast. Lots of unique

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Speaker 1: doing interviews. We're doing interviews lots of stuff that will

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Speaker 1: for example, I did a long form sit down this

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Speaker 1: week with which just means a long chat covering a

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Speaker 1: whole range of things with Aaron McIntyre from The Blaze.

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Speaker 1: Really smart guy. If you want a bunch of wonky

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Speaker 1: political science book recommendations, we just good. I had to

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Speaker 1: like slow him down. He was just rattling them off,

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Speaker 1: ratting him off. He's at the Blaze where I hard

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Speaker 1: in my media career. So I'm very fond of the

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Speaker 1: Blaze and very thankful to Glenn Beck always. But also

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Speaker 1: talk to Ann Coulter, which I know for some of you,

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Speaker 1: super exciting conversation you want to hear some others of you,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe you want to check it out.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you might disagree with some of what miss Culter

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Speaker 1: puts out there with the Culter flamethrower, but she doesn't

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Speaker 1: mess around. And also our friend Carolyn Levitt who ran

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Speaker 1: that that valiant campaign in New Hampshire. But she's an

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Speaker 1: up and coming well media personality and gen Z gen

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Speaker 1: really tries to sell me on New Hampshire as an

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Speaker 1: amazing state. How much time have I've spent? I think

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Speaker 1: I've been in New Hampshire twice. I don't know it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know it well enough to have a real

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Speaker 1: informed opinion, is what I would say about it. So

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Speaker 1: she tries to sell me, have you spent much time

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Speaker 1: up in New Hampshire. Yeah, I'm trying to think battles

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Speaker 1: of Lexington and Concord. We are in New Hampshire, right,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm correcting that the start of the revolutionary Massachusetts.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, oh man, that's a big whiff by me.

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Speaker 1: That in fact, like that might be my biggest historical

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Speaker 1: whiff of all time, because clearly you drive from Boston

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Speaker 1: out there. But the point on this is I haven't

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Speaker 1: spent very much time in the in the northeast, uh

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think I've flown into Manchester a few times.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think I've ever really spent any time

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Speaker 1: going around in New Hampshire. Now. I've been to Maine,

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Speaker 1: I've been to Massachusetts, but not a lot of time

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Speaker 1: in the New England states. And I am just in

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Speaker 1: in disbelief that I got Lexington and Concord wrong and

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Speaker 1: thought that they were in New Hampshire instead of it right.

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Speaker 1: You're a civil war guy, that's revolutionary war. I know

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Speaker 1: that that is. That's a whiff. So uh yes, And

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Speaker 1: I'm by the way interviewing Alexey Lawless today. You'll be

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Speaker 1: able to hear a conversation with Alexei Lawless, obviously big

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Speaker 1: time US soccer fan. Um I might hit him with

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Speaker 1: the because you see Alexey Lawless and your your mind

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Speaker 1: goes back to the nineties Hackey Sack and Dave Matthews band,

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Speaker 1: Alexi Lawless with this Babylon b UH headline that I

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Speaker 1: player who didn't want to wear the Gay Pride UH

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Speaker 1: jersey and the Babylon b headline. I'm reading it. NHL

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Speaker 1: player says, if he wanted to support the gays, he'd

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Speaker 1: be playing soccer. That is what that is the Babylon

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Speaker 1: be headline. That is really funny. And you, one of

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Speaker 1: you are sports fan, read that you laughed. Every single

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Speaker 1: sports fan who reads that will laugh. I believe a

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Speaker 1: lot of them are woke and will claim they did

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Speaker 1: not laugh. But anyway, I'll ask him about that. So

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Speaker 1: I teased Buck this audio that I heard yesterday. So

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Speaker 1: this this individual has been charged and need to remember

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Speaker 1: his name. By the way, Ali says, not only did

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Speaker 1: I get Lexington and Concord wrong, Buck, she grew up

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Speaker 1: from the place that I whipped on and got in

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Speaker 1: the wrong state. But do we tell everybody that the

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Speaker 1: reason we're talking about this Lexie Lawless, New Hampshire, because

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Speaker 1: of Carolyn Levitt, because the clayon Buck podcast Dream Now,

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Speaker 1: even if you listen to our full radio show, there

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Speaker 1: are now additional episodes, sit downs, talks going into clayon

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Speaker 1: Buck feed. So really, even if you're just a radio listener, subscribe.

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Speaker 1: The iHeart app a really good place to go this weekend,

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Speaker 1: catch up on some of them. There's stuff in there

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Speaker 1: that you will not get on the radio show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: tons of it, And so I would encourage all of

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Speaker 1: you out there to go subscribe. Make sure you don't

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Speaker 1: miss a momentum. So the killing that happened also in Massachusetts, uh,

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Speaker 1: this alleged killing, because we still don't have a body.

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Speaker 1: They have arrested this woman's husband for the charges and

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Speaker 1: A Walsh, right, what the husband's name do you remember?

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Speaker 1: Um something Walsh? I don't remember his first Brian Walsh,

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Speaker 1: Brian Walsh whatever. You're talking about somebody who's accused of

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Speaker 1: a grizzly murder. You know, you always want to get

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Speaker 1: the name. Yeah, exactly right. So he has been arrested,

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Speaker 1: accused of murder. This is what it sounded like as

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Speaker 1: the juror as the judge read the evidence against him.

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Speaker 1: In particular, there have been allegations that he was using

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Speaker 1: Google to look up things that were very incriminating. But

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Speaker 1: when you hear them read back to back to back

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Speaker 1: in the timeline. If you have heard this, your jaws

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Speaker 1: about to drop. This was in Massachusetts as part of

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Speaker 1: the hearing in front of the judge. This is the

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Speaker 1: evidence arrayed against this individual, Brian Walsh. At four fifty

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Speaker 1: five am on Jerry First, he searched how long before

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Speaker 1: a body starts to snow? At four fifty eight am.

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Speaker 1: How to stop a body from decomposing? At five forty

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Speaker 1: seven am. Ten ways to dispose of the dead body

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Speaker 1: if you really need to At six twenty five am.

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Speaker 1: On the first, how long for someone to be missing

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Speaker 1: to inherit at six thirty four am one the first

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Speaker 1: can we throw away forty pots? At nine to nine am,

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Speaker 1: can identification you may on passion remains at eleven thirty

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Speaker 1: four am. Dismemberment in the best ways to dispose of

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Speaker 1: a body at eleven forty four piper pin blood from

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Speaker 1: oh my god, Now those are Google searches. It basically

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Speaker 1: as and and some of you. If you couldn't hear

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Speaker 1: every word, you can go watch. I shared this video

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Speaker 1: on my twitter feed. You can scroll down and you

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Speaker 1: can go find it of him standing there as all

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Speaker 1: these Google searches that they had uncovered or read out

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Speaker 1: that he had allegedly done in the wake of his

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Speaker 1: wife's departure. We don't know what happened to her, right,

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Speaker 1: So if you're the defense attorney and you hear all

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Speaker 1: that evidence that we just played of all the things

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Speaker 1: that he was searching for. Also he went and bought

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Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty dollars in cleaning supplies from home

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Speaker 1: depot and was caught lying about that. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: This is the only defense that I can think of, Buck,

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Speaker 1: is that this is like Gone Girl. Did you see

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Speaker 1: the movie Gone Girl? Yeah? But unless he has you know,

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Speaker 1: seven chapters written over the last six months, So you're

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Speaker 1: talking about the murder the murder novel defense, right, Well, no, no,

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Speaker 1: he could do the murder novel defense. The one that

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Speaker 1: I think the only one that actually applies here is

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Speaker 1: that his wife set him up and yet she's spoiler

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Speaker 1: alert spoiler alert if you haven't seen the movie Gone Girl.

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Speaker 1: The idea is the husband killed her and she actually

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Speaker 1: fled and set him up. This guy's going to prison

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Speaker 1: for a very long time as as he well should.

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Speaker 1: That's obviously these defenses, they're very highly theoretical and not

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Speaker 1: going to sway a jury given. This is the closest

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Speaker 1: thing I have ever seen in any criminal case, and

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Speaker 1: I think anyone has ever seen in a criminal case

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Speaker 1: to effectively a um. It's almost like a confession by

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Speaker 1: by Google search. Yes, that's a confession by Google search,

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Speaker 1: meaning you're like, I'm going to do this, and then

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do this, and then I'm going to this.

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Speaker 1: He goes through these things. There's no way to explain

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Speaker 1: any of that in the real world. That doesn't make

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Speaker 1: it seem obvious that this is a guy who was

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Speaker 1: planning the murder of his wife. I mean, the whole

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Speaker 1: thing is I think they have three kids. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's sounds like he was trying maybe to get life

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Speaker 1: insurance money. Is if you're wondering what was going on there,

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Speaker 1: but to try to plan uh, first degree murder through

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Speaker 1: your you know, through Google searches. It just shows, I

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Speaker 1: mean a lot of people just have no understanding of

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Speaker 1: the Internet searchability. You know the fact that every that

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Speaker 1: everything is effectively logged always in forever, um and that

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Speaker 1: these are things Now in this case, obviously it's good

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Speaker 1: because there's additional evidence here, but even in the um,

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Speaker 1: sloppy because I think he's going to end up getting

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Speaker 1: very easily convicted. UM. But even in the case in Idaho,

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Speaker 1: there's somebody who was studying criminology, which is which was

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Speaker 1: another aspect of this as we talked about and um

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Speaker 1: studying criminology and didn't really understand cell phone tower geolocation

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Speaker 1: and how all of that works, but also how it

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Speaker 1: would look to law enforcement, how they can piece this together.

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Speaker 1: Things like turning the phone off just during the murder period,

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Speaker 1: is itself an indicator that something was going on, right

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Speaker 1: that doesn't cover you if you never turn your phone

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Speaker 1: off for six months previously at that time. So there

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Speaker 1: are some of those things that come together. And and

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Speaker 1: you know, Clay, we talked about the how there looks

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Speaker 1: there are reports, these are not confirmed by law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: There are reports in the media that there were some

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Speaker 1: effort by the alleged quadruple murderer in Moscow, Idaho, to

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Speaker 1: reach out to one of those one of those young women.

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Speaker 1: Just another indicator of social people are. Social media puts

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Speaker 1: problems for folks even if they don't Even if they

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Speaker 1: don't do anything wrong, just the information that they put

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Speaker 1: out there can be can be used against them. One

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Speaker 1: of my buddies and I used to think he was crazy.

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Speaker 1: One of my buddies was always super He was super

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Speaker 1: that was kind of crazy. And then later I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I kind of see that argument. There's a guy.

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Speaker 1: But if you're a girl and you're listening to us

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Speaker 1: right now. Given how easy it is for people to

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Speaker 1: keep tabs on social media accounts, posting like a photo

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Speaker 1: that you're out with friends while you're still there, probably

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Speaker 1: not a good idea, right like, wait till you get

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Speaker 1: back home, post them the next morning, whatever it might be.

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Speaker 1: Instead of giving people a target theoretically of where you are.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you know you probably are covering this on

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Speaker 1: Outkake because of the sports component of the story. But

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Speaker 1: this gymnast and TikTok sensation Olivia Done, Yeah, she has

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Speaker 1: had to get police involved because of social media. You know,

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Speaker 1: because of social media fans and people increasingly, everyone's sharing.

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Speaker 1: They're sharing where they are, they're sharing who they're with,

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Speaker 1: they're sharing where they're going. You know, when you become

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