Speaker 1: What's your favorite Disney movie of all time?
Speaker 2: The Little Vampire you saying about.
Speaker 1: I don't know. The Little Vampire Transylvania.
Speaker 2: It's kind of old. It's about the kids. I think
Speaker 2: he stays in Switzerland or some shit at the end
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: The Little it's a Disney movie.
Speaker 2: I watched it on Disney when I was little.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, so we're like far apart in age, well
Speaker 1: not too far twelve years. I don't age myself too much.
Speaker 1: But when I was growing up, it was Lion King, Aladdin,
Speaker 1: toy story. Those were the ones.
Speaker 2: Wait, so toy story that?
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, thanks bout it. Damn oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I'll apologize, man, No.
Speaker 1: No, it's all good. I'm always fuck I get in
Speaker 1: a washed man. Yeah, toy stories that old, the first
Speaker 1: one at least. So how's the brand whatever?
Speaker 2: He is?
Speaker 1: So? No, do you want to you wanna where to hat?
Speaker 1: The first toy story came out probably when I was
Speaker 1: like I wanna say, like eight years old, maybe nine,
Speaker 1: So it's definitely old school. But I don't know. You
Speaker 1: gotta go put it on me, show everybody in my
Speaker 1: fuck up hair like.
Speaker 2: You've been a bully.
Speaker 1: He's fine. Babies are gonna baby. Man for you man,
Speaker 1: talk about fatherhood and how uh you know obviously you
Speaker 1: do have a lot of children and and uh you know,
Speaker 1: I've been around you to see in a short amount
Speaker 1: of time that you're a great father. How important is
Speaker 1: fatherhood to you? Man?
Speaker 2: Not really big on it, to be honest, What.
Speaker 1: Do you mean by that? You're not big on it?
Speaker 1: Like you're you're I mean you're a family man. I'm
Speaker 1: here with you, I see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm only out. I'm only like in here
Speaker 2: cause you will.
Speaker 1: Oh. Well, I don't believe it's a.
Speaker 2: Crazy topic because I'm not a tight like a sugar coat, namma.
Speaker 2: But I'm four walls all day every day.
Speaker 1: When you say four walls, you move locked in? Yeah,
Speaker 1: just home in on the music m recording. Well, we
Speaker 1: can take the hat. I don't mind.
Speaker 2: We bun We burned a lot, but mostly literally inside working,
Speaker 2: no no matter when why it's in TV. I'm just
Speaker 2: sitting there all day. I'm stuck inside just one room.
Speaker 2: I don't really travel this house like that.
Speaker 1: So even in your own home, you'll be stuck in
Speaker 1: one room.
Speaker 2: Man, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I like he wants the hat he can take the
Speaker 1: jays and let him take the hat. He wants it,
Speaker 1: he can have it. So even at home and you,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we're in a beautiful house right now.
Speaker 1: You're you have a beautiful home. You'll still kind of
Speaker 1: just stick to one room in the house. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: do you think? Why is that you think? Man?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm I would say I'm like I
Speaker 2: w I ain't. I wouldn't say I'm going through a lot.
Speaker 2: I'm just.
Speaker 1: Me. Do you find yourself? You know, I've heard you
Speaker 1: refer to the music as as therapy. I ain't evenna
Speaker 1: need this hat actually, cause this is this is bright.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like being alone in your thoughts is
Speaker 1: a form of therapy for you?
Speaker 2: It's kind of my way stand saying.
Speaker 1: Being by yourself, being secluded, relaxing. Is it watching TV?
Speaker 1: Is it writing? Is it?
Speaker 2: I don't do no writing?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Watching TV? U in a video game?
Speaker 1: What is your go to movie? T TV show?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What about TV shows? Like? What are you watching? What
Speaker 1: are you binge watching? What's young boy of binge washing?
Speaker 2: Man? I'm boring.
Speaker 1: It's what do you watch?
Speaker 2: Man? The old shit?
Speaker 1: What's old to you? Cause what's old to you might.
Speaker 2: Be like, just watch the Sopranos.
Speaker 1: Greatest maybe top two show ever. I watched The Godfuds,
Speaker 1: This Back, the Back All three third one is the
Speaker 1: worst one, Rick. I think it's like one.
Speaker 2: Kind of the best to see its growth, but you
Speaker 2: learn that, like it kind of gave you a thought
Speaker 2: of that's why you need to stay dangerous.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: That's like, that's why you need to stay dangerous.
Speaker 1: So you love Sopranos, Yeah, what about Breaking Bad? Do
Speaker 1: you ever watch Breaking Bad?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I watched that with my wife A couple of episodes probably, yeah,
Speaker 2: a couple So I like it.
Speaker 1: Breaking Bat's Crazy, The Wires another one. If you love Sopranos,
Speaker 1: I watched the too. Did you finish it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I prought it. I watched it twice the whole
Speaker 2: like me to me too.
Speaker 1: I just rewatched it when the pandemic first started. I
Speaker 1: showed my wife and it made me realize, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, it just got better the second watch, Like
Speaker 1: Omar Little has got to be one of the greatest
Speaker 1: like TV characters ever. Like, who's your favorite character on
Speaker 1: the world?
Speaker 2: Body body Man?
Speaker 1: The story of body Man. Shout out to Body and
Speaker 1: he lasted so long in the show too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just ain't kids just could at the right time.
Speaker 1: He did it, man, that's real. You should. I feel
Speaker 1: like somebody should do it. Could be you Cube, anybody
Speaker 1: should do a song from the perspective of body like.
Speaker 1: I think that would be crazy because ye had man
Speaker 1: body was he like, he hung around, He survived for
Speaker 1: so long in that show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they hud too. It is fucking over man for sure.
Speaker 1: That's dope. Man. So The Wire's my favorite show of
Speaker 1: all time. What about uh? Video games? What are you
Speaker 1: playing right now?
Speaker 2: Watch Dogs? I've watching Red Dead and.
Speaker 1: Madden Red Dead Redemption is amazing. We were talking earlier
Speaker 1: about it when you were on your horse. But if
Speaker 1: you're on Madden, what's you're What's what squad are you
Speaker 1: picking this year?
Speaker 2: I've even I've been running with the Dolphins a lot.
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill is a cheat.
Speaker 2: Code, right, yeah, just the man. That team is like
Speaker 2: strictly speed on offense.
Speaker 1: My son murders me with Tyreek Hill every single time.
Speaker 2: The kind of hood, the good He's like.
Speaker 1: The wide receiver mic So back in the day, Mike
Speaker 1: Vick when he was in Madden, Mike Vick was kind
Speaker 1: of the cheak code and Madden what's up?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: And I feel like Tyreek Hill this year is the
Speaker 1: cheat code? Get high five? No high five?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I'm just having a one year old. My son's eighteen.
Speaker 1: My son just turned eighteen. I got a little grown ass.
Speaker 2: That's his favor word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, pound it. There we go. Wow, you're
Speaker 1: learning your words. You want the hat again? You can
Speaker 1: have it for a sec. It's bright though, you'll see
Speaker 1: the brightness. Oh, thank you for putting it back on
Speaker 1: my head. You're so polite. Thank you, thank you. Okay,
Speaker 1: I wonder man, Like you know, when we think of
Speaker 1: like Mount Rushmore of this rap shit, and like I
Speaker 1: told you earlier, you've you've kind of done something that
Speaker 1: not a lot of people have done. And you've been
Speaker 1: extremely successful in a very shallow business. But I without
Speaker 1: being like you know, it's kind of sticking to your
Speaker 1: your your your beliefs, sticking to who you are the
Speaker 1: whole time. Are you kind of like self aware to
Speaker 1: realize that like you are kind of you are on
Speaker 1: the Mount Rushmore of like this hip hop shit the
Speaker 1: lasts like ten years, Like you are like up there,
Speaker 1: you are the park of our generation for so many people.
Speaker 2: I never seen them said. So it's like I got
Speaker 2: a long ways to go and I I don't know,
Speaker 2: I just don't wanna go intil, they said, And it's molded.
Speaker 1: But who's they the industry?
Speaker 2: Fuck? You know the industries, that's the people.
Speaker 1: I think so many people say it now, whether or
Speaker 1: not they are people who put together these ends of
Speaker 1: the year rap lists and these quote unquote taste makers.
Speaker 1: You have so many people, real people going to work
Speaker 1: every day, taking care of their kids every day, who
Speaker 1: say it to me, that's the shit that matters.
Speaker 2: I'll be going a regular jobe sometimes like a construction company.
Speaker 2: Why is just sitting in the office of it all day?
Speaker 1: Just relax, be a regular person. Yeah, so if you
Speaker 1: could do any sort of regular job, you'd have a
Speaker 1: be k having a construction company.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Could you ever see yourself like, I mean, retiring? Is
Speaker 1: that even something that you're twenty four years old you have?
Speaker 1: I I don't even know how many albums at this
Speaker 1: point a lot? Could you ever see yourself? Like? Does
Speaker 1: do you have thoughts about what happens after rap?
Speaker 2: I'm kind of said I'm going in zeil right now,
Speaker 2: So I don't really think about too much.
Speaker 1: Hey want me to put you over here? When you
Speaker 1: see your s you're you're set on going to jail.
Speaker 1: What do you mean like going back? Like you think
Speaker 1: that that's just in your fate.
Speaker 2: I guess that is my life. I needn't let it
Speaker 2: bother the man a shit like that. You create a budget,
Speaker 2: you know, you you make the bedge of La M.
Speaker 1: So you that's kind of where your heads at when
Speaker 1: you think of the future. Still, Oh, that's that's interesting,
Speaker 1: cause I do think uh shout to Donnie Brosco that's
Speaker 1: on too right now. Shout out to uh Alpacuina all time. Go. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that you are somebody who has an immeasurable
Speaker 1: amount of influence and moreover power when it comes to
Speaker 1: this rap shit like m I had this conversation, uh oh,
Speaker 1: are you familiar with the artist named lar Russell?
Speaker 2: Love Russell.
Speaker 1: He's from uh Oakland. He does a conscience in his
Speaker 1: backyard independent kid WHOA Okay, But we were talking about
Speaker 1: it yesterday and I was like, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: few artists in this game who, if they went independent,
Speaker 1: could break the music industry and really kind of expose it, right,
Speaker 1: and you were one of those names. I think it's you.
Speaker 1: I think it's Drag. I think it's the weekend. Who
Speaker 1: really have the power to kind of like shift the industry.
Speaker 1: You've already done it in such a way, especially when
Speaker 1: it comes to YouTube. But you know you're one of
Speaker 1: You're one of them. Bro, You're here and bro like
Speaker 1: you know, I think you you definitely have a future
Speaker 1: outside of ending up back in jail.
Speaker 2: Hey, I realize hate this shit.
Speaker 1: Your real life, hete it should takes a.
Speaker 2: Toll on me. Yeah, my wife.
Speaker 1: Your kids, just the music industry being famous.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't blame it on the industry is all about
Speaker 2: you go about it and I'm not this done.
Speaker 1: That's important to be self aware about. Man.
Speaker 2: I cry a up. Really, I'm at a plano. It's okay,
Speaker 2: like my life. I don't know.
Speaker 1: How much therapy have you uh tried to go to.
Speaker 1: I know we talked to earlier. You're gone to rehab.
Speaker 1: But therapy is an important tool in anyone's box, not
Speaker 1: just yours, but anybody's box, you know, to kind of
Speaker 1: deal with some I mean not everyone's as strong as
Speaker 1: we try to portray. Ourselves to be.
Speaker 2: I uh, I tried it when I was eighteen. It
Speaker 2: was court ordered, and I've I finished it.
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, I think the court order shit's different, though,
Speaker 1: you know, like I think you could have you remember
Speaker 1: listen where you're a Sopranos guy. Remember Tony had a therapist.
Speaker 1: You remember that.
Speaker 2: I thought this was gonna get him killed shop before
Speaker 2: I actually finished the show for sure.
Speaker 1: But Tony went to therapy, man, and it helped him
Speaker 1: deal with so much. Because you know, I always say this, like,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, men in this world, we're not allowed
Speaker 1: to society. Doesn't they frown upon us being hurt, They
Speaker 1: frown upon us having feelings. We're supposed to hold it together.
Speaker 1: We're supposed to hold down the kids. We're supposed to
Speaker 1: hold down our wives. We're supposed to pay the bills.
Speaker 1: And I feel like, if you're the head of your household,
Speaker 1: if you're the head of your crew, if you're the leader,
Speaker 1: who do you talk to if you're going through some shit?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Do you have that person
Speaker 1: or you just internalize it put it out through the music.
Speaker 2: I don't love music to the point no more. While
Speaker 2: run into the microphone, and no, I don't got the
Speaker 2: person to talk to.
Speaker 1: I think everybody should find that person. I think you should.
Speaker 1: You should try to go back to therapy, man, because
Speaker 1: I have a on this Saturday. Oh you do, Okay,
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to talk to somebody who doesn't
Speaker 1: already have kind of like their mind made up about you,
Speaker 1: who can't benefit off you, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: you can kind of get like a you can kind
Speaker 1: of bare your soul to somebody.
Speaker 2: So mam Ma, I canna smoke a cigarette here, I
Speaker 2: can smoke a cigarette right there. I don't know. Fuck
Speaker 2: about this up. I'm trying to move in the middle
Speaker 2: of the water to kill the middle of the water.
Speaker 1: Mm island. No, Like you wanna be on a boat? Yeah? Nice?
Speaker 2: And the only way you come to me if the
Speaker 2: helicopter flower that bitch and grab you ain't come back.
Speaker 2: I like that, Like literally, I wanna live on the water.
Speaker 2: But I really like this bitch, Like I mann bits
Speaker 2: ain't even my playground, right, like I have my own
Speaker 2: guess shit like that. And other than that, like yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't travel this house.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, man. So for you, like cause for people
Speaker 1: who don't know you do. You're very secluded where you are.
Speaker 1: When you say grape digger mountain, like we're literally there,
Speaker 1: there's a mountain. You have a mountain. It's your mountain.
Speaker 1: But for you like secluding yourself even more. It's interesting
Speaker 1: just getting the house boat, getting the yacht. And if
Speaker 1: you want to see me, these are my coordinates. Pull
Speaker 1: up on a helicopter. We ain't talking, I tell my wife.
Speaker 2: Then there's that she acsed me hot, but eat fish?
Speaker 2: I'd say fish? She say, can you fish all day?
Speaker 1: Hey? You can?
Speaker 2: I said, I get I get some food that shipped
Speaker 2: to me. I guess kay.
Speaker 1: You would have to sell somebody would have to bote
Speaker 1: it to you. But that's not I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think that's uh unrealistic? Are you?
Speaker 2: Are you? Like, hey, you could tell that I smoke
Speaker 2: like dough don't smoke a.
Speaker 1: Couple of the po uh, But no, I can tell Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, this is the first time you smoked in
Speaker 1: this part of the house.
Speaker 2: But actually what I was looking for the c about clothes,
Speaker 2: looking for this suit early man, I walked out the
Speaker 2: fucking studio smoking a cigarette. I had to keep that
Speaker 2: door open.
Speaker 1: How long are you smoking.
Speaker 2: I been smoking cigarettes since I was seven years old.
Speaker 1: Damn. My dad was like that. My dad tells everybody
Speaker 1: I been smoking since I was eight.
Speaker 2: You want me to get this shit up.
Speaker 1: My dad got arrested when he was mine, and I think,
Speaker 1: why why he tried to burn down the sky?
Speaker 2: God Dad, I think he was think this nigga ran
Speaker 2: away from the arm man, what he can't you know
Speaker 2: how you get a home pass?
Speaker 1: I guess yeah.
Speaker 2: And then mother fucking ran away to New yor New
Speaker 2: Orleans cause hent wanna go back, So I guess d
Speaker 2: During the time, like as he was at the house,
Speaker 2: I used to be watching that nigga smoking cigarettes, A
Speaker 2: nigga telling me, throw that bitch out your.
Speaker 1: Gra grab it you and you smoke what was left?
Speaker 1: H Damn yeah, I did that. One time my dad
Speaker 1: threw a cigarette down. I was probably like seven, and
Speaker 1: I remember I picked that bitch up. I took a
Speaker 1: hit and I threw I was coughing so much as
Speaker 1: I threw up, and my mom was like, see, that's
Speaker 1: what the fuck you get picking up a fucking cigarette.
Speaker 1: And ever since then I was I was out on it, man,
Speaker 1: I was out on it.
Speaker 2: Uh. I just wanna be better than yesterday.
Speaker 1: It's important.
Speaker 2: Man, I don't know, and I forget I could if
Speaker 2: I get this certain amount of money and and run
Speaker 2: and go away, I would so.
Speaker 3: For you your intro like like it's almost like, if I
Speaker 3: can get this, get to this certain goal, whatever it
Speaker 3: may be, you're comfortable, which is disappeenia.
Speaker 2: For show for shure, once all this behind me and
Speaker 2: moved the ear for some shit.
Speaker 1: Once the legal stuff is is out of your way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might not hear from you, Oh put behind me.
Speaker 2: Oh you gonna hear from me, But we don't know
Speaker 2: where you are. I think you always know what I'm
Speaker 2: meant to.
Speaker 1: Okay, is it been It's been what three years now
Speaker 1: since you've been dealing with the current situation, almost three Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is it wearing on you yet? Man? I'm sure at
Speaker 1: times it's gotta be tough to kind of just feel confined.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you have a nice place, but it's still.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I got it better. That I got it better.
Speaker 2: That's so bitter people.
Speaker 1: For sure, who are stuck in their apartment, who are stuck.
Speaker 2: Uh or stuck inside of fucking city going to the club.
Speaker 1: If it we get Yeah, the club man, I don't
Speaker 1: get it anymore.
Speaker 2: I got it. I got I got everybody to approval
Speaker 2: who I love and who I like to be around.
Speaker 1: That's important.
Speaker 2: They come on our call. My I don't wake up
Speaker 2: and no sell.
Speaker 1: Now you have a beautiful property man, you got beautiful animals,
Speaker 1: you got beautiful children. Your wife's here. You got a maid.
Speaker 2: Man, we lily could hit that trail and go all
Speaker 2: the way behind his mom.
Speaker 1: It's crazy to see like the things that, like, you know,
Speaker 1: your environment changes you. It teaches you things like for you,
Speaker 1: like do you feel like you've kind of adopted like
Speaker 1: being like an outdoorsman a bit, because I feel like
Speaker 1: you got to kind of embrace nature people to.
Speaker 2: Really get into like I want to learn how to
Speaker 2: feel my back. Pick up in mon, go up in
Speaker 2: the mountain, start a fire, cook some eat it, come
Speaker 2: back like survive. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You ever watch those shows on Netflix where they're naked
Speaker 1: and they have to survive in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 2: I glanced at them a couple of times.
Speaker 1: It's intriguing because you'll see how they start fires, You'll
Speaker 1: see how they like they'll catch fish, They'll I mean, no,
Speaker 1: that's so so you might that might be a nice
Speaker 1: little side mission for for you, just to kind of
Speaker 1: you know, Hey, we're gonna go to the forest for
Speaker 1: a day. We're gonna camp, We're gonna we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna catch our food.
Speaker 2: I had a bobcat jump out on us. Uh up
Speaker 2: up there one day.
Speaker 1: A bobcat?
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 1: It didn't didn't run off?
Speaker 2: Man? That bit that bitch try to get to the can.
Speaker 2: Now that bitch let it try to run into it.
Speaker 2: It was me and it dun't.
Speaker 1: Did it run off? Did it survive?
Speaker 2: Iver looked to see what what? Uh? We see what?
Speaker 2: We covered out the bus? Be wried food?
Speaker 1: I'd be worried about bears, brouh. Have you seen any
Speaker 1: bears up here?
Speaker 2: No? I really think I saw a big print before.
Speaker 1: See those bears are the ones, cause they'll come in
Speaker 1: the house to look for food.
Speaker 2: I hope that don't ever happen.
Speaker 1: Have you ever watched the that Leonardo DiCaprio movie Revenant
Speaker 1: where he gets attacked by a bear from behind and
Speaker 1: he just gets fucking destroyed. M No, it made me
Speaker 1: scare the bears forever. I mean, I'm an animal guy.
Speaker 1: I wanna I woula like the pet a bear one
Speaker 1: day they speed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ain't no getting away from this bitch.
Speaker 1: The speed and the force. Ain't no getting away, man, Man,
Speaker 1: not for sure, dude.
Speaker 2: I just think it's been fast like a gold cut.
Speaker 1: I just think it's been dope. Like, you know, to
Speaker 1: kind of see how you've been able to do so
Speaker 1: much from here. You've done so much since you've gotten
Speaker 1: out and since you've been in your current situation.
Speaker 2: That kind of would make me stake I guess a
Speaker 2: lot though I was blessed to I was blessed to
Speaker 2: get a bun and and to be able to be
Speaker 2: putting this position for sure. So I've been saying to myself, like, bruh,
Speaker 2: if I do this up, you know, I'm just f
Speaker 2: I'm fucked up. You see how they going about me now.
Speaker 2: So I'm pretty sure if I do anything like just
Speaker 2: against my probation, that's my ass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty interesting, man, there's there on top of you.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: You're definitely a and that's gotta be. That's just gotta
Speaker 1: be stressful because at all times, you know, you're kind
Speaker 1: of under a microscope.
Speaker 2: It kind of make you it kind of make you
Speaker 2: do right.
Speaker 1: It forces you to maybe not make certain decisions you
Speaker 1: would have made. Do you think it works?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like once all this is behind you,
Speaker 1: you're going to the same output we're getting. Is that
Speaker 1: something that we're gonna continue to get? Are you gonna
Speaker 1: tour the country your fans haven't seen you live or
Speaker 1: I don't even know how long? I mean, you gotta
Speaker 1: know if you did a tour right now, it's Salt
Speaker 1: Out Arena, it's fifty two dates. If that's even something
Speaker 1: you would even want to do? You know, m hm?
Speaker 1: Is that something you'd be interested in doing, going and
Speaker 1: seeing seeing the fans.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Though if I probably got off prout too all
Speaker 2: the way to this time of life for me to
Speaker 2: go on stage, Mmm, that's Steve. I think that's my
Speaker 2: cheekode stand off the stage.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you. A lot of artists that
Speaker 1: they they really have they even if they don't wanna
Speaker 1: go on stage. It's it's you know, this is kind
Speaker 1: of how you really make money for most artists.
Speaker 2: But a lot of artists they got great ass music,
Speaker 2: but it ain't gonna go if they don't touch that stage,
Speaker 2: right It ain't gonna go if they not on tour.
Speaker 1: You have broke. That's why I was when I said earlier,
Speaker 1: like you you really are, you know, an enigma when
Speaker 1: you think of the music industry because like you said,
Speaker 1: you you haven't toured like most artists that are as
Speaker 1: successful as you are. And uh, you do have have
Speaker 1: kind of like I think you, you know you you
Speaker 1: are you. You have a lot of power. Man, you
Speaker 1: have a lot of influence on it on this industry period.
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of people who were dropping
Speaker 1: music the way you drop music until you started doing it.
Speaker 2: You know, it's because a lot of artist mind fucked.
Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of artists now don't play
Speaker 2: the game I play. They worry about numbers. I ain't
Speaker 2: never get a fuck about no numbers. I'm part of
Speaker 2: the food chain mhm rama till the supplier, then the bayer.
Speaker 2: And that's how that ship added up like that. That's
Speaker 2: that's how when a nigga talk that ship, I got
Speaker 2: lit it with about a plaque and they have one
Speaker 2: hundred certifications on that bitch, so you have don't it.
Speaker 2: Don't stop the.
Speaker 1: Hundred it, don't stop the hundred gold and Platinum Records.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like, man, it's like what place sell
Speaker 2: food for.
Speaker 1: Diversons, averytins, right, houseworkers Eversonce you see all that motherfucking
Speaker 1: meat inside that freezer, you know damn well all of
Speaker 1: it ain't being bouked.
Speaker 2: But I could guarantee you there's one person walking in there,
Speaker 2: so at least buying something from each category to day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he's gonna add up.
Speaker 1: That's the game you're playing.
Speaker 2: I can't be fucked with.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree, then hey, I always they members don't lie. No,
Speaker 1: they do not lie.
Speaker 2: Man, and everybody numbers then play with if you pay attention,
Speaker 2: it's only no more than five artists did big numbers
Speaker 2: this whole year.
Speaker 1: This is true.
Speaker 2: And I guarantee all of them five three of them orders.
Speaker 2: His numbers was bound.
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of that is starting to
Speaker 1: get exposed and fuck it, I ain't going to rock. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of uh, you know, the stream farms.
Speaker 1: There's a there's an artist that you know, my boy
Speaker 1: from the label, who's working because I do radio, so
Speaker 1: he's he works, he's working this record.
Speaker 2: I know, my man, I ain't not one thing scripted
Speaker 2: about me. Yeah, I ain't got no, I ain't got
Speaker 2: nobody inside, no label or no. Oh, I ain't got
Speaker 2: Jason telling me to go about something like this.
Speaker 1: No, for sure, Man, I even shit.
Speaker 2: Scripted, So I know, man, man, this this shit's so real,
Speaker 2: This shit real, real life reality. Now the real ones
Speaker 2: are gonna stick with me. They gonna fuck with me
Speaker 2: for sure. Yeah. I think all through my flaws they
Speaker 2: gonna run with me.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, embracing your flaws, figuring out
Speaker 1: like kind of understanding what they are.
Speaker 2: That's the problem I got with this game to day. Bro,
Speaker 2: I'm one of them niggas. I ain't always been a
Speaker 2: stand up guy in every situation. Oh, I ain't always
Speaker 2: been right. That's important to admit. That's what every fucking man. Now.
Speaker 1: You're right though, Like you know, me being here had
Speaker 1: I y you just reached out to me one day.
Speaker 1: I don't know what interview saw mine, but you just
Speaker 1: had asked me like do you enjoy what you do?
Speaker 1: And it was randomly you and I never met, and
Speaker 1: I just hit you like, hey, dude, I'd love to
Speaker 1: talk to you one day, and you know we made
Speaker 1: it happen. So I appreciate you opening up your home
Speaker 1: to me and you know, inviting me out to Utah. Man,
Speaker 1: it as cold as hell out here. I almost ate
Speaker 1: shit on a I wouldn't call it a snowmobile. It's
Speaker 1: like a snow scooter, a moon a moon bike. What
Speaker 1: a moon bike? That ship had me fucked up. My
Speaker 1: legs are really wet right now for you man, talk
Speaker 1: about just oh yeah, my ship's all the way up
Speaker 1: to here. I mean we're kind of sitting on a
Speaker 1: freshly cleaned counter.
Speaker 2: Clean. That's why he's sitting unkneath.
Speaker 1: It's damned for sure. We're damp right now. We're just
Speaker 1: in the snow one hundred. I was gonna ask you man,
Speaker 1: like somebody who I think you who was also very
Speaker 1: anti industry, but it's also very successful right now and
Speaker 1: you have such a great chemistry and working relationship. You
Speaker 1: guys got a couple of songs that I love is Rodwave.
Speaker 1: He is an amazing Guy's from Saint Pete, which I
Speaker 1: lived there for a long time.
Speaker 2: That's somebody who will feel a win in the game.
Speaker 2: Like mmm, I think he loved what he do. He's
Speaker 2: so good at it, man, And I think he's so
Speaker 2: positive and so taking in a people that ain't a
Speaker 2: way he could feel.
Speaker 1: That's real. You've been known to do a collab project
Speaker 1: here or there. Would you guys ever do a whole
Speaker 1: tape together, maybe like a little EP or something.
Speaker 2: I think that'll be a setback for him, you think,
Speaker 2: so my image fucked up? Like I think I gotta
Speaker 2: stand my own lane.
Speaker 1: That's fair. You guys do got some great couple of
Speaker 1: great drens together, though, He's how often are you like
Speaker 1: discovering new artists cause obviously you have your crew, you
Speaker 1: have your label, like your artists, But are you do
Speaker 1: you listen to much other music outside of your own
Speaker 1: stuff or your own guys? Like are you tapped into?
Speaker 2: Like not really? I know about a lot of oh
Speaker 2: this stuff that I think the world don't know about.
Speaker 2: Well they I'll just say they underground. But I like
Speaker 2: youat you like eat. I was saying, like there's like yeat, Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't think he underground no more. He was, but
Speaker 2: he's not now, And I think it's a lot of more.
Speaker 2: It's like to come.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like guys like destroy lonely and yet and
Speaker 1: yeah it's lonely. Yeah, yeah, I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: difference between being like underground because you're not necessarily commercial.
Speaker 1: But I think once you get to the point where
Speaker 1: youre getting a billion streams, I don't know how underground
Speaker 1: you could be, you know, because I think some people
Speaker 1: still consider you who are like just generic music fans.
Speaker 1: They might think that you're kind of like underground, but
Speaker 1: you're not. You're one of the biggest artists in the world,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that's because they live
Speaker 1: in a different world. Hm, that's true.
Speaker 2: They not into They not into nothing like me.
Speaker 1: I mean, you are one on one man. I'll say that.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any denying that. Does it matter
Speaker 1: to you the the cause you said earlier when the
Speaker 1: industry says you were that just just the recognition of
Speaker 1: the quote unquote industry from where you're at right now,
Speaker 1: does it even matter at all, even if it's at
Speaker 1: one percent.
Speaker 2: On pay, I don't give a fuck, And that's all
Speaker 2: I wanna be. I told you gotta learn when the
Speaker 2: jokes it's on, you win. We ain't nothing but entertainment,
Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, with the most
Speaker 2: lowest people on earth, cause we got an image to
Speaker 2: keep up. It's hard to be yourself. It is hard
Speaker 2: to be yourself. But you know what I mean, the
Speaker 2: niggas be wanna come across that bitch and talk crazy
Speaker 2: about a woman, but but what won't because they know
Speaker 2: that shit til that image down and a lot of
Speaker 2: people don't like that, so they not gonna speak. They mind,
Speaker 2: And it's a whole lot of different situations, like like
Speaker 2: that's different than that they be eating people up, but
Speaker 2: they got this shit down packed. They ain't gonna let
Speaker 2: them play with they image. I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think a lot of people get caught up
Speaker 1: in their image. I think a lot of people get
Speaker 1: caught up in their social media static how they look
Speaker 1: on line. And it's like, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: if you could just unapologetically be yourself at all times,
Speaker 1: it's it should work out for you, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Or tought out bad, I.
Speaker 1: Mean it could turn out bad or with people, I mean.
Speaker 2: Like god, they are so tired. They get to started
Speaker 2: starting to feel like, uh, either a piece of shit,
Speaker 2: Well this nigga, I ain't got no no type of
Speaker 2: more more as a or sympathy. But then again they
Speaker 2: just don't know like you probably want of the most soft,
Speaker 2: hard is hearted people walking the earth, one of the
Speaker 2: most given of them. But all that shit don't matter
Speaker 2: when they opinion come about.
Speaker 1: I think society does a really bad job of judging
Speaker 1: people because mostly we judge people off their worst moments.
Speaker 2: Yes, society think about it like, I mean, just I
Speaker 2: just know today like hurting people ain't the way it
Speaker 2: hurt hurt somebody, right, Yeah, but I don't even fuck
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: Nah, I I mean, listen, I think I think people
Speaker 1: like to judge people off of their low points in life.
Speaker 1: You might have a one bad at night, make one
Speaker 1: bad decision, but I'm not.
Speaker 2: I swear if I had, if if it was anything,
Speaker 2: that's show yet I want you to see all my
Speaker 2: low points in life.
Speaker 1: No, you've been very trans I don't want you to
Speaker 1: h I wouldn't want you to see shit, right. Uh,
Speaker 1: you mentioned you went to rehab recently. Is that something
Speaker 1: that has had you found helpful?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I really I really needed it time and I
Speaker 2: met some very cool people and I was accepted in
Speaker 2: a way I never was before. So I love, I love,
Speaker 2: I love that place.
Speaker 1: Was it in uh like a twelve step meeting. Mm
Speaker 1: did you do a me uh like a twelve step meeting?
Speaker 1: Like a were you? Like? Everyone sits down, everyone shares
Speaker 1: their thoughts. I been. I've been in the KAY meetings before.
Speaker 2: I think they cleared the house out for me as
Speaker 2: I arrived, just to let me check it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's important, man, I think, uh, you know, to
Speaker 1: be self aware enough to know, hang, I gotta go,
Speaker 1: I gotta go see somebody. It's important.
Speaker 2: I loved being huh.
Speaker 1: I think everyone loves me. Not, it's just what comes
Speaker 1: after that.
Speaker 2: It's just it's not the time, right, It's not the
Speaker 2: time at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love being high as well and drunk and
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. I've been in my own personal
Speaker 1: you know situations, but especially with alcohol.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Alcohol is a motherfucker, bro, because you'll you'll you'll be
Speaker 1: having the best night of your life and it goes
Speaker 1: left like that.
Speaker 2: Tell me about it, man, have you fucked up?
Speaker 1: Now? You go to kara to corn?
Speaker 2: I like, I love to pop that ship when I'm
Speaker 2: when I'm drunk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love you start drinking. You start ship when
Speaker 1: you like.
Speaker 2: Like this, I tell you about yourself? Old fuck it?
Speaker 1: Would you say like uh, you know, every everybody's complicated.
Speaker 1: But a lot of times when we see you online,
Speaker 1: right you and and you're popping your ship? Is it
Speaker 1: mos like, let's say, not necessarily recently, but would you
Speaker 1: be like drinking at the time most of the time
Speaker 1: or not?
Speaker 2: That's one hundred percent me.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen to alcohol brings out the truth.
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm talking about I'll be sober. Okay, that's
Speaker 2: a hundred percent me. I've I rally let 'em catch
Speaker 2: me at That's real, Nah, for real, for real, that
Speaker 2: a hundred percent me. You just think here, that's I'm
Speaker 2: really feeling. I love you. That's really genuine.
Speaker 1: Who are somebody? Uh you know, you've had some big
Speaker 1: homies in the rap game, obviously, bern Man, uh, Kevin
Speaker 1: Gates going and on shout to Gates. Who some people
Speaker 1: who consistently checking on you and your well being that
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily trying to get a feature. I ain't tryna, you know,
Speaker 1: get something from you. Is there anybody at all in
Speaker 1: the music industry who who?
Speaker 2: I don't really talking nobody of a vote to a
Speaker 2: A A A stunnel mouset of the time. I could
Speaker 2: tell it, boy, I can tell you about these niggas though, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you just sol hurt. Ye you just so hurt meeting
Speaker 2: somebody and finding out that the ain't and ain't it
Speaker 2: ain't who you think they are. Nah fucked and a
Speaker 2: nigga A nigga, A nigga A nigga, Get the mad,
Speaker 2: I your nigga get mad? How THEO you is bit
Speaker 2: your nigga to speaking on on you like about you,
Speaker 2: like like like like you ain't like you ain't who
Speaker 2: you say you is?
Speaker 1: Is so bird Man's been pretty consistent, you know, of
Speaker 1: making sure he n that's the fun. Yeah, a legend obviously.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you learned a lot from him. I n
Speaker 1: you know you with anything on more literally chatter bird
Speaker 1: man Man, how's the uh? I know you just dropped
Speaker 1: an out let me just dropped in another single. With
Speaker 1: your current situation, I know you got like a one
Speaker 1: of one type of situation. How long is it's? It's
Speaker 1: it's your deal with with with with motown Capital, cause
Speaker 1: you could burn through it. I feel like you could
Speaker 1: burn through a record contract in like three months if
Speaker 1: you if you really wanted to, like a traditional one
Speaker 1: not be But that's the problem.
Speaker 2: That's the problem like I'm m I'm I'm caught up
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: Uh like you, you're free to do whatever you want obviously, Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: I ain't tryna give out shit free cause nah, I
Speaker 2: see they ain't trying to take care of me, So
Speaker 2: everything gotta be counting for or drop me and let
Speaker 2: me show you some shit.
Speaker 1: Would you ever consider going fully independent with it, with
Speaker 1: building infrastructure and the team out where you can just say,
Speaker 1: i'm'a do me my life.
Speaker 2: I ain't set up the way mm I'm down for
Speaker 2: it though I can't f I ain't gonna feel.
Speaker 1: But shit like one day maybe maybe not currently.
Speaker 2: And hopefully one day, but I won't. I I want
Speaker 2: the money, mane.
Speaker 1: I mean why he's important? Man, Yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 1: why we do what we do right.
Speaker 2: Sometimes that's the only thing. And in some situations that
Speaker 2: that's the only thing. They got your back, the money
Speaker 2: and your money.
Speaker 1: That's some real shit. Well listen, man, I appreciate you
Speaker 1: having me out. I appreciate you for coming. I had
Speaker 1: a great time for I think we were supposed to
Speaker 1: make a song, but we'll do it another time.
Speaker 2: I guess it too.
Speaker 1: I look forward to uh to just seeing the rest.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, twenty twenty four is coming. I know
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a big year. I just appreciate the hospitality, man.
Speaker 1: I know, uh, you don't do a lot of these,
Speaker 1: so it's a big deal, you know for me to
Speaker 1: be up here to me so thank you and I
Speaker 1: just man, for sure, bro, it was it was fun.
Speaker 2: I come back in in time. I went out the camera.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, I'll come back with the camera or
Speaker 1: bring my kid with. You know what I'm saying it
Speaker 1: Hop on the horse, yeah, go sligh riding with the dogs,
Speaker 1: the slave riding. That sounds fun.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to put together right now for
Speaker 2: my video.
Speaker 1: Let me know, I'll pull up, man, I have to
Speaker 1: bring the kid. No cameras, We'll just have fun.
Speaker 2: Bring your grade Day in trucks. I got a lot
Speaker 2: r C cards.
Speaker 1: And you got the camms and everything. Yeah. No, no,
Speaker 1: for sure, I mean I'm gonna I'm gonna bring you
Speaker 1: an actual grave digger truck, a monster truck. It's a
Speaker 1: monster truck, you know.
Speaker 2: That, right. My dream is the saying a rose race
Speaker 2: truck into a grade digger.
Speaker 1: Oh gotta be fucking crazy. I mean I'm sure you
Speaker 1: could just make that happen tomorrow if you wanna. You
Speaker 1: just got to find the guy to do.
Speaker 2: It, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I appreciate you, man, Stay safe, and uh
Speaker 1: you know I I I I'm l I. I love
Speaker 1: to see your growth, man, you know, I think that's
Speaker 1: something that I've I've publicly said in interviews like I
Speaker 1: just love to see when people are self aware and
Speaker 1: they grow, because who we are yesterday and who we
Speaker 1: are today and who are gonna be to Morrow's not
Speaker 1: who we are today. So much love, bro, appreciate.
Speaker 2: You man, sure man, Thank you young boy. Fuck