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Speaker 1: to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe, joined as
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Speaker 1: But occasionally we'll shed a little a little bit of
Speaker 1: ray of light on something, you know, we might add
Speaker 1: something to it. Okay, Well, so let's let's move ahead
Speaker 1: here and let's talk about our weekly mystery here. The
Speaker 1: mystery is the Count of Saint Germain. I know some
Speaker 1: of you may have heard of this guy. I've heard
Speaker 1: of the liquor St. Germaine. Uh, this this show was,
Speaker 1: or this idea was actually a listener's suggestion unfortunately, was
Speaker 1: suggested by a whole bunch of listeners and not just one.
Speaker 1: And so usually we give acknowledgement, but in this case
Speaker 1: we're not going to be. You know who you are,
Speaker 1: I know who you are, and thanks a lot, but
Speaker 1: I would say fortunately, not unfortunately. Yeah, this is a
Speaker 1: good one. Yeah, Yeah, it's an interesting story. So the
Speaker 1: Count of Saint Germaine. Nobody knows precisely when he was born.
Speaker 1: Some sorts of say seventeen ten, some seventeen twelve, some
Speaker 1: say sixteen nineties, some say before Christ. Yeah. He was
Speaker 1: a European dude who claimed he was the son of
Speaker 1: Prince France. Sists the second Racozi and I'm sure Mr
Speaker 1: pronouncing that of Transylvania. He was prominent in high society
Speaker 1: in the eighteenth centuries, particularly in France, but in other
Speaker 1: places too. He hobnobbed with a lot of famous people,
Speaker 1: including King's Louis the fifteenth and Louis the sixteenth of France. Voltaire,
Speaker 1: he probably heard of him. Uh, Giacomo Cassanova, you've heard
Speaker 1: of Casanova, I'm sure. And in fact, Cassanova mentioned the
Speaker 1: count in his memoirs. He does, he does, and also
Speaker 1: Catherine the Great of Russia and lots and lots of
Speaker 1: other people. Supposedly st booked lots of languages very fluently. Um,
Speaker 1: and he played the violet in the harpsichord like a master.
Speaker 1: He wrote, He wrote opera songs and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, um, he was the guy was the word
Speaker 1: of thinking of Paula Math. The guy was like, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of like Benjamin Franklin. That was some of those
Speaker 1: guys and just geniuses. It all kinds of different things. Now,
Speaker 1: he knew a lot about science and philosophy, and Prince
Speaker 1: Charles of Hess Castles in Germany apparently said that he
Speaker 1: was quote one of the greatest philosophers who ever lived,
Speaker 1: unquote what else. He was into alchemy and he claimed
Speaker 1: to have had great success. He claimed to have invented
Speaker 1: all kinds of little powders that would make you immortal
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So basically he was kind of
Speaker 1: like the full package, I know. And yeah, great conversationalist,
Speaker 1: charming fellow. Lots of people reported, you know, hanging with
Speaker 1: him and enjoying his company a whole lot. He was
Speaker 1: apparently rich, never short on cash, which is why people
Speaker 1: hung out with him. Probably he was hanging out with
Speaker 1: royalty and so they weren't hurt for cash either. Oddly,
Speaker 1: no one or at least very few people, ever saw
Speaker 1: him eat any food. He would have dinner with people
Speaker 1: and he would just spend a whole time talking and
Speaker 1: not eat a single thing. Did he drink I don't know.
Speaker 1: Probably presumably. Presumably did also something about him drinking a
Speaker 1: special tea. Yeah, I was noted in some of the writings,
Speaker 1: and that was the only thing I ever saw. He
Speaker 1: supposedly invented something called Russian and Russian tea. Uh. He
Speaker 1: also apparently abstained from sex. He didn't, even though women
Speaker 1: found it very very charming. He didn't actually pursue women
Speaker 1: or have a wife or a girlfriend or anything like that.
Speaker 1: He also was rumored to have been a member of
Speaker 1: some secret societies like the Rosicrucians, the Freemasons, the Knights, Templar,
Speaker 1: and some other ones. All the big ones, all the
Speaker 1: big scary ones, the illumina. Yeah, I know, and it
Speaker 1: seems to me that he had He played a fairly
Speaker 1: major part in shaping European politics in the eighteenth century.
Speaker 1: But his biggest claim to fame is for being immortal.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, if not immortal, very long live, extremely
Speaker 1: long lived. Yeah. As I said earlier, his data birth
Speaker 1: was put it around seventeen ten, maybe seventeen twelve. Accounts,
Speaker 1: very nobody really knows, and that the count was notoriously
Speaker 1: hard to pin down and stuff like that. He didn't
Speaker 1: exactly say when he was born, or where he was
Speaker 1: born or thing. There's only later in life that they
Speaker 1: told Prince Charles of hes Cassal that he had been
Speaker 1: he was the son of Prince Francis, the second of Transylvania.
Speaker 1: But other than that, he tended to a vague questions
Speaker 1: about his origins. But there were people who have said
Speaker 1: that they knew him in seventeen ten and at the
Speaker 1: time he was around forty five years old. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. Another guy and the guy who was called
Speaker 1: Baron von Stoch said that he knew the Count between
Speaker 1: the year seventeen fifteen to seventeen twenty three, and he
Speaker 1: was about forty five then. And in seventeen thirty five,
Speaker 1: a guy named Mona and French guy saw him in
Speaker 1: Holland apparently had seen it sometime in the far our
Speaker 1: previous past, like seventeen ten, and Standing reported he had
Speaker 1: an aged a day that time. So that's odd, that's
Speaker 1: kind of strange. Was he the original Benjamin Button? Is
Speaker 1: that he was just aging backwards? We could have been that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's it was he was in stasis,
Speaker 1: not aging backwards. Like I have seen you in twenty
Speaker 1: years and you look younger. It's wow, you look exactly
Speaker 1: the same. You know, it's probably one of those portrait
Speaker 1: of Dorian Gray kind of delos are made a pact
Speaker 1: with the devil or just Kiana Reeves. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: Quick aside here he went by a lot of different names,
Speaker 1: which is not unusual time. Apparently some of his alias
Speaker 1: were the Marquis de Montferrat, Count de bellamar Chevalier, Count Velden,
Speaker 1: Comptes Saltikov, graph Stars zar again okay, Graf Zarog, and
Speaker 1: Prince Rocoisie And I mispronounced most of those. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you did miles better than I. Ever, it looks like
Speaker 1: the rumors of his immortality. Nobody can say exactly when
Speaker 1: they seemed to have started, but They may have begun
Speaker 1: in seventeen sixty in Paris. A certain countess of one
Speaker 1: Georgie had owned the count in Venice in seventeen ten, apparently,
Speaker 1: and when she met him again, she was amazed to
Speaker 1: see that he hadn't aged at all, and asked him
Speaker 1: if it was his if it was his father that
Speaker 1: she had known in Venice, and he said no, that
Speaker 1: it was it was he who had known her. And
Speaker 1: apparently he was able to discuss in enough detail with
Speaker 1: her what the things that had had they had done
Speaker 1: together in Venice that she was convinced that it wasn't him,
Speaker 1: just saying, yeah, that was me. Yeah. He recounted conversation
Speaker 1: and events and stuff that they together. Yeah, she was
Speaker 1: She was amazed and said he couldn't She couldn't quite
Speaker 1: believe it, and uh, you just said, my mom, I
Speaker 1: am very old, so maybe it was. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go to his life a little bit here. He traveled
Speaker 1: a lot in the in the year seventeen thirty seven
Speaker 1: seventeen forty two, he was in Persia studying alchemy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then when he returned he went to their side. Well,
Speaker 1: And when he was in Persia he was good friends
Speaker 1: with the show. If he hung with the show, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's hob nobbing with the elite of wherever he's at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: wherever he goes, he seems to work his way right in.
Speaker 1: In the mid seventeen forties, he lived in England for
Speaker 1: a while. He was arrested in seventeen forty five on
Speaker 1: suspicion of espionage, but they didn't have anything to really
Speaker 1: hold him on, so they let him go. And who
Speaker 1: knows he might have been spying. He showed up in
Speaker 1: France in about seventeen forty eight and worked his way
Speaker 1: into the court of Louis the fifteenth, and Louis the
Speaker 1: fifteenth was sent him on diplomatic missions, so yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: he made it. Might have been a spy. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: could have been a spy. I mean, diplomats always often
Speaker 1: do spy. Yeah, that's that. Those two are kind of
Speaker 1: synonymous with each other, especially at that Yeah. Yeahs now,
Speaker 1: technically technically supposedly, well, there's still plenty of people in
Speaker 1: the embassy were spies, but not all of them are evidently. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in seventeen fifty five. He went to India. In seventeen
Speaker 1: sixty during the Seven Years War, he went to Holland
Speaker 1: where he tried to open negotiations supposedly in between Britain
Speaker 1: and France. The British ambassador wouldn't deal with him unless
Speaker 1: he had credentials. It came directly from Louis fifteen. Now,
Speaker 1: which war was it that was going on at that time,
Speaker 1: the Seven Years War? Seven? I couldn't remember exactly which one,
Speaker 1: but he was there what two or three years into
Speaker 1: the war? Uh, yeah, I think about it hadn't reached it.
Speaker 1: There was a title of seven years and yeah, now
Speaker 1: at that point in time, it was about halfways you know,
Speaker 1: maybe four years in I think, and uh, it was
Speaker 1: destined to go on a little bit longer, unorginnately. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I actually learned something interesting recently, which is that the
Speaker 1: the French and Indian War you've heard about, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was actually part of the Seven Years War, the Seven
Speaker 1: Years War actually how uh This basically the Seven Years
Speaker 1: War was a clash between miscellaneous European powers that took
Speaker 1: place all over the world. It took place some of
Speaker 1: the classes took place in Europe, some took place in
Speaker 1: North America and Central America. They were all, I mean,
Speaker 1: there are all kinds of battlefields in the Seven Years War,
Speaker 1: which I had not known. I've got to read a
Speaker 1: book about the war, because yeah, I was gonna say, so, basically,
Speaker 1: if their forces ran into each other, they immediately started fighting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: They're like brothers in a bar basically. So yeah, the
Speaker 1: Seven Years of War. I am going to read a
Speaker 1: book about that and get back to you guys. At
Speaker 1: this time, there was a certain plotter whose name I'm
Speaker 1: not going to try to It was the Duke, the Duke.
Speaker 1: The Sasse is French for hazard, So so that this
Speaker 1: this this schemer, this plotter, the Duke of Hazard, convinced
Speaker 1: Louis the fifties to disavow Saint Germain and the request
Speaker 1: his his arrest and extradition by the Dutch. The Dutch
Speaker 1: saw this is just internal French politics and they didn't
Speaker 1: really want to get involved. So they saw for what
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, So instead of instead
Speaker 1: of extraditing back to France, they they got the British
Speaker 1: ambassador hall Ind to issue the Count a British passport,
Speaker 1: which they called it a blank passport, a passport so
Speaker 1: you could fill it any name he wanted to use.
Speaker 1: I wish I could do that. You didn't have to
Speaker 1: have an It wasn't like it was issued and had
Speaker 1: a photograph in it and all of that. It just
Speaker 1: said who you were, you could steal somebody's for all you. Oh,
Speaker 1: I know, and they would accept it. That's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy. Also crazy, is right. Britain was like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna arrest you because years later Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: years later, oh here's here's actually just a blank passport. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're over it. People were more relaxed back I read
Speaker 1: and apparently this is should I read it? You know
Speaker 1: the books Master Master in Commander series, but Patrick, what's
Speaker 1: his name? That the book the film Master in Commander. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they were actually there any recreations of that period
Speaker 1: in history during the Napoleonic Wars and his uh there
Speaker 1: there they get captured our heroes and there and the
Speaker 1: crew get captured by the French, and the French let
Speaker 1: them go. If about just said you have to promise
Speaker 1: not to take part in anymore fighting in the war,
Speaker 1: and we'll let you go and we won't keep we
Speaker 1: won't keep you captive. And so I said, okay, and
Speaker 1: so and they and they honored the request. They didn't
Speaker 1: take part in any more battles. They just they just
Speaker 1: kicked back and watched the war go on around them.
Speaker 1: So things were just a little bit different back. I
Speaker 1: can't no, not quiet. Okay, that was an annoying a side,
Speaker 1: I apologize. So he, on his blank passport, got to
Speaker 1: travel to Britain and escape the clutches of Louis the
Speaker 1: fifteen and all of the court intrigues there. Yeah. Nice, Okay.
Speaker 1: Two years later he goes to Russia, where supposedly he
Speaker 1: he knew Catherine the Great and he was involved in
Speaker 1: the conspiracy to overthrow Zar Peter the Third and placed
Speaker 1: Catherine the Great on the throne. And apparently that that
Speaker 1: did happen, Did it did happen? It was involved. Supposedly
Speaker 1: He also later advised the commander of the Imperial Russian
Speaker 1: Armies in their war against Turkey, so he was, among
Speaker 1: everything else, he's a great strategist, he's, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: because he's figuring out how to how to maneuver political
Speaker 1: stuff around as well as armies and forces on the
Speaker 1: field of battle. I guess some could argue to a
Speaker 1: suspicious degree, yeah, right, that it almost seems less that
Speaker 1: he is good at strategy and more that he just
Speaker 1: knows what's going to happen. M that's possible, little prescient. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's he did make some predictions. He made all kinds
Speaker 1: of interesting predictions and a lot of which came true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna talk about that in the theories. Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: no words. In seventeen seventy four, you return to France
Speaker 1: Louis the sixteenth, wasn't that one power along with Marie Antoinette,
Speaker 1: he agedly at this point warned them that a revolution
Speaker 1: was to come about fifteen years in the future. You
Speaker 1: all know how that ended. Yeah, that did not end well?
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, I know that went on for Yeah,
Speaker 1: should not end well for a lot of people that
Speaker 1: were previously in power and a lot of other people. Decides.
Speaker 1: Blood flowed freely. Let's just say it was here for liberty,
Speaker 1: a galaze, fra turnity. Yeah, okay, still happening apparently, Yeah,
Speaker 1: in this room in seventeen seventy five. This is one
Speaker 1: source that I found and I just haven't seen this
Speaker 1: anywhere else but this one. Oh yeah, I remember this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He claims that the count was in America, where he
Speaker 1: was known as the professor, and supposedly he was involved
Speaker 1: with all of our revolutionary founding father guys. And in
Speaker 1: the seventeen seventy six he supposedly give a very stirring
Speaker 1: speech and Independence Hall to the assembled delegates who are
Speaker 1: about to sign the Declaration of Independence. That sounds like
Speaker 1: somebody trying to prove that he's the doctor. I was
Speaker 1: seeking the same thing and held back time. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I think about this because I mean, at the time
Speaker 1: these guys are putting their names on what was the
Speaker 1: treason this document, I mean, they were risking their lives
Speaker 1: absolutely and their fortunes by doing this, and apparently their
Speaker 1: morale was kind of so so, so it might be
Speaker 1: the Count bucked up the morale sufficiently with his stirring
Speaker 1: speed that he actually caused that declaration to be signed
Speaker 1: and House America had come into being. Have you, either
Speaker 1: of you watched the Uh it's Paul Giamati and I
Speaker 1: cannot think of it's a it's a not a it's
Speaker 1: a mini series basically, but it's like five or six
Speaker 1: one hour long episode. I want to see that, but
Speaker 1: I have not seen it. But they do a really
Speaker 1: good job of illustrating what we were talking about of
Speaker 1: all of the the reluctance and the infighting and the
Speaker 1: hesitance of wait, are we really going to leave England?
Speaker 1: You realize what this is gonna do to us. And
Speaker 1: it's the first time that it. I mean, I've read
Speaker 1: about it. I think we've all read about it, but
Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine. But they get some great actors
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, I totally get this. I feel
Speaker 1: really dumb for not figuring that out ahead of time.
Speaker 1: How disturbing that idea would have to be at that time?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure. I mean I think that there
Speaker 1: was I think a lot of people who, you know,
Speaker 1: if you read our history books to considered kind of
Speaker 1: traitorous because they sided with the Brits. But you can
Speaker 1: see how they would feel some loyalty to the crown.
Speaker 1: I am a descendant of one of the Declarations of
Speaker 1: Independence signers, so a bit of a yeah, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: my dad exactly, so yeah, yeah, but yeah, anyway, it
Speaker 1: was it was not a given that we were going
Speaker 1: to achieve our independence at that time. So it was
Speaker 1: a pretty brave deal in those ways, and we have
Speaker 1: the count to thank for this. I can feel like
Speaker 1: he shoehorned into that story. I think so too. Ellent
Speaker 1: mar either way, in seventeen seventy nine, and I'm leaving
Speaker 1: a lot out of his timeline. He actually was bouncing
Speaker 1: around all over. The timeline is a maze easingly dense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and considering how slow travel was in those days, I mean,
Speaker 1: he really got around. It's amazing. Halfway around the world
Speaker 1: in seventeen seventy nine. Now he went to Hamburg, Germany
Speaker 1: and became buds with Prince Charles of Hesse Castle, who
Speaker 1: I talked about earlier. Uh, And that he lived as
Speaker 1: a guest in the princess castle at an unpronounceable town
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna call it eerd Okay, we'll call it that.
Speaker 1: According to local records, he died there February seventeen eighty four.
Speaker 1: He left me had some clothes, little cash, personal items
Speaker 1: like combs and razors and stuff like that, but no gold,
Speaker 1: no jewels or anything else particularly valuable. So that's where
Speaker 1: our story ends. Yeah, but not quite. Yeah, it turns
Speaker 1: out he returns from the dead in seventeen eighty five. Now,
Speaker 1: remember he died in seventeen eighty four. He shows up
Speaker 1: at the mass on a convention in Paris apparently was
Speaker 1: actually on the registry there and everything, So that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I supposedly in se six he had a meeting with
Speaker 1: the Empress of Russia, presumably as Catherine the Grade presumed,
Speaker 1: I don't uh. In seventeen eight cents, a letter to
Speaker 1: Louis sixteenth and lo Intoinette was with with a warning,
Speaker 1: which is, let's let's remember it's only a year until
Speaker 1: the start of the French Revolution. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: read the entire letter because it's kind of long. Let
Speaker 1: read the first cents or two. The time is fast
Speaker 1: approaching when imprudent France surround have been misfortune, she might
Speaker 1: have spared herself will call to mind such hell as
Speaker 1: Dante painted, and on and on and on from there.
Speaker 1: It's pretty dire. Yeah, it's not not a happy letter. Yeah. Anyway, So,
Speaker 1: and they apparently didn't heed his warning, and maybe maybe
Speaker 1: there were a wasn't much they could do in seventeen
Speaker 1: in seventeen to other people reported running into them. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you their names because I can't
Speaker 1: pronounce him. Yeah, they ran into him. So they saw
Speaker 1: him somewhere and talked to him, ran into him, or
Speaker 1: saw him at a distance. Now they the first one
Speaker 1: claims to have spoken to him. Another one claims to
Speaker 1: have met with him, and he said, oh, this is
Speaker 1: an interesting one to His name is Baron Lyndon. He
Speaker 1: was he met with him, and the count said that
Speaker 1: he was on his way out of Europe, headed for
Speaker 1: the him in las quote, I will rest, I must
Speaker 1: rest exactly in eighty five years, will people again set
Speaker 1: eyes on me? Farewell words of the count. But he
Speaker 1: must have five, because he actually shut up a little
Speaker 1: earlier in that. But yeah, he had a flair for
Speaker 1: the dramatic. You guys have noticed that. Yeah, maybe him
Speaker 1: in eighty five days could have been Yeah. In late
Speaker 1: seventeen eighty nine, the counts Is said another name I
Speaker 1: don't know how to pronounce. I'm just gonna I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna murder it here it said dott him yor Doti
Speaker 1: mayor I don't know the best, Okay. So she got
Speaker 1: a letter from saying the sun had set in the
Speaker 1: French monarchy and it was too late. His hands were
Speaker 1: tied by quote once stronger than myself unquote, he prophecied
Speaker 1: the death of Marie Antoinette, the ruin of the royal family,
Speaker 1: and the rise of Napoleon. So yeah, this guy must
Speaker 1: have had a time machine. Huh yeah, Yeah. Marty mcclaude
Speaker 1: gave him a book of history, one of the two. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In he again wrote a letter with the prophetic warning
Speaker 1: about Marie Antoinette's death, said in her fate would be
Speaker 1: death and that's how it turned out to be. And
Speaker 1: the countess asked, this is again in the countess with
Speaker 1: the unpronounceable name asked if she would see him again
Speaker 1: after he gave her the prophecy, and he replied five
Speaker 1: more times, do not wish for a sixth Apparently that
Speaker 1: means a sixth time it's going to be when she dies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. So the first of the six was the
Speaker 1: assassination of Marie Antoinette Monce she ran into him again.
Speaker 1: Another in englishman saw him in seventeen inter prison in France.
Speaker 1: In seventeen nine, he was seen by that same count
Speaker 1: as we just talked about at the eighteenth Premier of
Speaker 1: Leu sixteenth that was a cut data and which Napoleon
Speaker 1: overtook the French consulates and began his cue. So most
Speaker 1: of these are that that one countess saying oh I
Speaker 1: saw him again, right, Well, are they substantiated by other
Speaker 1: people at the same time? Is that there are other
Speaker 1: people who were also saying, oh yeah, I saw him
Speaker 1: too and it was a weird sing. Well there are
Speaker 1: actually I'm going to skip over some of the rest
Speaker 1: of this particular countesses things. Uh In. Albert Vandam, who's
Speaker 1: an Englishman, wrote in his memoirs and talked about a
Speaker 1: person who bore a lot of resemblance to the Count
Speaker 1: of Saint Germain. But he called himself Major Fraser. But
Speaker 1: he but he just sounds a lot like him. But
Speaker 1: we'll skip that because he didn't actually say it was
Speaker 1: Saint Germaine, so no more of that. And he met
Speaker 1: with a certain Lord Lytton whose full name is Edward
Speaker 1: George Earl Lytton Boulward Lytton. Yeah, not at all. I
Speaker 1: hate to be a kid, have to learn how to
Speaker 1: write all of that. Imagine that every time he signed
Speaker 1: a check somehow, I don't think there was much check
Speaker 1: signing happening, probably not. But Lord Lytton was an English politician,
Speaker 1: poet and a novelist. He was very popular and he
Speaker 1: coined some really kind of that's the word I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of cliche phrases these days, whereas like the Great un Washed,
Speaker 1: the pant is mightier than the sword. Yeah, but apparently
Speaker 1: so this is the guy who said that he met
Speaker 1: with the count. He was seen in eighteen sixty seven
Speaker 1: and a meeting for the Grand Lodge of Freemasons in Milan, Italy.
Speaker 1: In eighteen seventy Napoleon third was became so interested in
Speaker 1: this undying count that he had a special commission put
Speaker 1: together to gather information. They were stationed at the Hotel
Speaker 1: de Villa in eighteen seventy one. The hotel to be
Speaker 1: a burnt down, destroying all the records. So apparently an
Speaker 1: arsonist or just trying to hide his trail. Eighteen seventy
Speaker 1: seven he was seen in Milan, Italy again at a
Speaker 1: Freemason meeting in somebody named Annie Bastant claimed to have
Speaker 1: met the count in e Also, somebody didn't mentioned Blovatsky
Speaker 1: claimed to have met the Count and said that she
Speaker 1: was in frequent contact with him. So hang on just
Speaker 1: a second. I again, I just want to clarify. So
Speaker 1: we've got the and these are a couple of things.
Speaker 1: So is he identifying himself as the Count, or just
Speaker 1: people say, no, that looks like the Count. Well that
Speaker 1: is the deal. Now, I think in these cases there
Speaker 1: there these are people who say they met with him
Speaker 1: in other ways. They didn't just run into him or
Speaker 1: see him in the street, They actually met with him
Speaker 1: and apparently I wait, wait, wait, when was the last
Speaker 1: one that you just said? What was the date on that?
Speaker 1: That was eight ninety six. I think he would have
Speaker 1: been in his nineties, He would have been, he would
Speaker 1: have been would have been a d That's where I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, these people couldn't have met him before.
Speaker 1: There's no possible way that these regular human people could
Speaker 1: have met him before. So I'm just trying to figure
Speaker 1: out if they're saying that it's the Count because a
Speaker 1: he said he's the Count, be they've seen a painting
Speaker 1: of him and the likeness is striking, or if it's
Speaker 1: just anecdotal, you know. I'm just I'm trying to understand
Speaker 1: because I could never get a good handle on why
Speaker 1: they I said, oh, yeah, he was the Count. What
Speaker 1: what drove that? Well? I kind of suspect that the
Speaker 1: hand I'm half serious here. I suspect that there was
Speaker 1: probably a standing joke among the nobility and the higher
Speaker 1: higher classes in Europe about the Count. I think he
Speaker 1: became kind of famous, and I think that maybe it
Speaker 1: was just a joke that you run into somebody say hey,
Speaker 1: seen the Count and say, oh, yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: saw the Count at a Rosa Crucian convention in Boden, Boden,
Speaker 1: and I just thought, it's all just a joke. It
Speaker 1: could become the Dozki's guy. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean maybe that's just maybe as as simple as that.
Speaker 1: But you're right, I mean at a certain point, I mean,
Speaker 1: when it's like seventee, well, sure he could still be
Speaker 1: alive and there'd be people around who knew him, so
Speaker 1: that all makes sense. But then when you're getting up
Speaker 1: to the you know, like you know, the closing of
Speaker 1: the nineteenth century, that's a little different. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's what I could never get a clear line on
Speaker 1: was how what what interaction when it was written down
Speaker 1: and then transcribed and rewritten, YadA, YadA, YadA, What what
Speaker 1: actually happened? And yeah, I know that the records are
Speaker 1: a little sparse and inconclusive, and we're probably not going
Speaker 1: to get the answer to my question. That is driving
Speaker 1: the bonkers, but I got to ask it anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's uh, there is a ton of stuff on the
Speaker 1: internet about this guy. I mean, he's really really excited
Speaker 1: a lot of people's interests, and so you know, as
Speaker 1: you know, the more more web pages there are, the
Speaker 1: more opportunities for what's the word of embellishment, Yeah, mischief
Speaker 1: business Yeah, trolling, Yeah, trolling, there's that. But here's the deal,
Speaker 1: and this is what we really need to figure out
Speaker 1: is that if the count truly is immortal, that means
Speaker 1: he's still alive today, and that means at least one
Speaker 1: of these websites is his website. We need to figure
Speaker 1: out which one that is one it is. It's probably
Speaker 1: that one that had the purple background with the purple
Speaker 1: text on. Yeah, it's probably that one. Yeah, probably made
Speaker 1: that one for himself. Yeah, I don't know. It's got
Speaker 1: to be a way to figure out which one is
Speaker 1: account's website, and then we'll deal with that in the
Speaker 1: future research. Yeah. Yeah, Well, I'll just spit out a
Speaker 1: couple more things here. There was a strange encounter of
Speaker 1: World War One in August nineteen fourteen, two Bavarian soldiers
Speaker 1: captured a man in Alsas. During the interrogation uh their
Speaker 1: prisoner well started got irritable and starting to rail about
Speaker 1: the futility of the war, and he told his captors
Speaker 1: throw it down your guns. The war will end in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighteen with defeat for the German nation and her allies.
Speaker 1: And then he said everyone will be a millionaire after
Speaker 1: the war. This is something I think somebody made up. Actually, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's too easy. Yeah, everyone will be a millionaire after
Speaker 1: the war. There'll be so much money in circulation, people
Speaker 1: will throw it from windows and no one will bother
Speaker 1: to pick it up. You'll need to carry it around
Speaker 1: a wheelbarrel to buyleaf of bread. Which is actually that's true.
Speaker 1: It's totally true because when the German economy was collapsing
Speaker 1: and inflation was running rampant, but nobody kept cash. You know,
Speaker 1: it was worthless. I mean they made the was the
Speaker 1: million dollar mark or whatever it was the market was, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they you know, actually it was a hundred thousands and
Speaker 1: a million because it was just so worthless that it
Speaker 1: took so much to buy so little that nobody could
Speaker 1: carry it. Yeah, I think it was only very recently
Speaker 1: in time that Zimbabwe started publicly and started printing their
Speaker 1: million million dollar note million Zimbabwean dollars or whatever they are,
Speaker 1: because became so worthless. I would love to have a
Speaker 1: million dollar bill, wouldn't it be cool? Well, you know
Speaker 1: those those old notes, I mean, people literally were burning
Speaker 1: them to heat their homes, that's how little value they had.
Speaker 1: And very few of them have survived the value of
Speaker 1: those bills. Now, those weird denominations that they kept putting
Speaker 1: out just because of inflation our collector's item, and they
Speaker 1: were worth a lot of money. And I've seen pictures
Speaker 1: on it, and it's amazing to see a not a
Speaker 1: not a joke, but a true note that has that
Speaker 1: many zeroes on it, and it looks like monopoly money
Speaker 1: because it's just got such a huge number written on it.
Speaker 1: It's really it's it's sad. My My uncle was in
Speaker 1: the war and in Europe um and he brought back
Speaker 1: the only supnero brought back that I know. There's a
Speaker 1: Walter automatic pistol, which he gave to me years ago,
Speaker 1: So that was nice of him. I thought it was
Speaker 1: a really generous gift actually, but I really wish he'd
Speaker 1: picked up a few of those notes and brought those
Speaker 1: back and given those to me too. That would have
Speaker 1: been cool. Yeah. I believe it's what they thought was
Speaker 1: worth anything, and it wasn't the note. Yeah. Any who, again,
Speaker 1: let's go back to our story. H some other meetings,
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna like beat on this too much.
Speaker 1: In August nineteen, a guy named Guy Bollard supposedly met
Speaker 1: him on Mount Shasta in California, and it started the
Speaker 1: the I AM activity, which you can if you google that.
Speaker 1: There's a wiki page on it. I AM and AM
Speaker 1: stands for Ascended Master. Yeah, I know, yeah, he's an
Speaker 1: ascended being. Essentially there was. He was also supposedly spotted
Speaker 1: in in nineteen sixties at a conference in Berlin. Um
Speaker 1: so and last of all and seventy two again named
Speaker 1: Richard Champery, when on French television claiming to be the
Speaker 1: count that was discredited. Didn't. He said he knew how
Speaker 1: to turn led into gold and he did it in
Speaker 1: front of everybody on a camp stove over something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would like to I'd like to be able to
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, me too, man. Yeah, it didn't turn
Speaker 1: out very well for him. No, I'm shocked he I
Speaker 1: don't know. Everybody turned against him because they knew what
Speaker 1: it fraud he was and he ended up committing suicide,
Speaker 1: which was terrible. Yeah, I know, it just goes to show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: be honest, don't don't troll the world. Let's get in
Speaker 1: some theories to what the count was all about. Was
Speaker 1: he immortal or not? So the first theory is is, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was just immortal. Don't have any thoughts on that. Well,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stories about supposed immortal beings through
Speaker 1: history that that is kind of a consistent theme, and
Speaker 1: we can bring it to modern times with things like
Speaker 1: doctor Who's we've been joking about or the Highlander things
Speaker 1: like that. You know, these guys are from way back
Speaker 1: on and have lived far far in the future. But
Speaker 1: it's not quite credible. No, because here's the thing. Okay, this,
Speaker 1: this is something I've always had a problem with with,
Speaker 1: say the Highlander series. I swear I've seen episodes of
Speaker 1: that where they were sick. But let's just say they
Speaker 1: don't get sick, so they don't get diseases or even worse,
Speaker 1: sexually transmitted diseases. But let's just say they get a
Speaker 1: hand chopped off. Now you get to go through and
Speaker 1: I mean this, this doesn't make sense. You're not very
Speaker 1: well brushed up on your doctor who Cannon, are you? No,
Speaker 1: I'm not. Yeah, because he loses a hand, because that
Speaker 1: to me is, while still far flung, a little more grounded. Obviously,
Speaker 1: obviously the Highlander guy accounts from the same sort of
Speaker 1: class of beings as a doctor. So you can regenerate too. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a time ward too. I just counterpoint with Kiana
Speaker 1: Reeves just constantly. No, I mean genuinely. I mean Patiana
Speaker 1: actually actually does look a little older, Nies, he looks
Speaker 1: a little older than he used to. That's definitely true.
Speaker 1: I guess it's not serious. I'm not serious. I don't
Speaker 1: don't actually think Kiana Reeves is immortal. He doesn't age
Speaker 1: a lot, but that's explained by a lot of different things.
Speaker 1: But I do think to percent discount the idea of
Speaker 1: immortal beings in our world is I'm not willing to
Speaker 1: totally discount it. I think there are a lot of
Speaker 1: weird things in our world, and I just you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm kind of wondering what because part of the
Speaker 1: aging process isn't just breakdown and sell regeneration and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, but also just gravity. That's why you get like,
Speaker 1: you know, you get kind of jowelly or and saggy
Speaker 1: or as you get older. It's not just because you're
Speaker 1: aging because of gravity. So imagine what a twenty year
Speaker 1: old person would look like like, you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, I've got an uncle who I've
Speaker 1: known for, you know, thirty some years that he's been
Speaker 1: in my family. And that guy you see a picture
Speaker 1: of him twenty years ago and now, and he looks
Speaker 1: maybe ten pounds heavier, but otherwise identical. So there are
Speaker 1: people who don't appear to his age as much as others.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if maybe that's part of it. Where
Speaker 1: all your friends are working in the field or all
Speaker 1: your servants are toiling and they're killing themselves and they're
Speaker 1: aging quite rapidly, and then you've got this one guy
Speaker 1: who's gotta live in the life of luxury and he
Speaker 1: kind of hits his stride of what he's gonna look
Speaker 1: like at about thirty. But it really hasn't done any
Speaker 1: strenuous outdoor activity through years, but stayed in okay, shape,
Speaker 1: he's gonna look the same for all intents and purposes.
Speaker 1: And people's memories are notoriously shoddy, so they won't notice
Speaker 1: the one the couple of bags that you have that
Speaker 1: aren't that big compared to when they saw you twenty
Speaker 1: years ago and you had none under your eyes. It's
Speaker 1: also possible to count lied about stuff like when Yeah,
Speaker 1: when he was in Vanics, for example, and him at
Speaker 1: that counts as who had known him supposedly, maybe it
Speaker 1: really was his father that she had known and he
Speaker 1: just lied to her about it. Also, even a portrait
Speaker 1: of Dorian Gray we kind of mentioned before too. Maybe
Speaker 1: you just have a painting that ages for you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that takes care of gravity. That would be kind of cool.
Speaker 1: Magic is a thing. Who do I get to go
Speaker 1: for you? For one of them? I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: let's move on to our next theory. This has actually
Speaker 1: been posted. Some people have actually suggested this that he
Speaker 1: is the wandering Jew. Yeah, explained everybody, who the wandering
Speaker 1: Jew is, Yeah, the wandering Jew is. Apparently there was
Speaker 1: a Jewish guy who when Jesus was heading off to
Speaker 1: his crucifixion, carrying his cross as some Jewish guy taunted him,
Speaker 1: so Jew, and so Jesus threw a curse on the
Speaker 1: wandering Jew, which is that he was to walk the
Speaker 1: earth until he returns until the second coming of Christ.
Speaker 1: So the wandering Jew wasn't quite immortal. He's gonna die
Speaker 1: sometime when Jesus comes back, but in the meantime, he's
Speaker 1: stuck on this planet. So the wandering Jews who he is.
Speaker 1: But there's not nothing ever said about him not aging.
Speaker 1: He just test to live that long, that's true. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe he has to spend like the you know, the
Speaker 1: next ten thousand years in her rest home. Yeah, that's depressing,
Speaker 1: that would be Oh Jesus, your mean, actually, the wandering
Speaker 1: Jew thing didn't even come into into currency until I
Speaker 1: to think the thirteenth century. It's not like that's documented
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Right that that was a story
Speaker 1: that that got spun up. But this whole thing about
Speaker 1: this is my whole thing about immortality. And people always glamorize, Oh,
Speaker 1: if I was a vampire and live forever, if I
Speaker 1: was immortal, or however whatever way they go about becoming immortal,
Speaker 1: nobody ever thinks about it. And And I've seen this dramatize
Speaker 1: in a number of places of what a lonely freaking
Speaker 1: existence that would have to be after about the first
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years. That's why you find your tribe.
Speaker 1: Man maybe, but you know everybody, you know, everything you're
Speaker 1: used to, it's gone, new friends. But I think about,
Speaker 1: you know, think about this is mad And there was
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever watched that TV show
Speaker 1: Alias No, I never watched that. That was actually kind
Speaker 1: of fun. It was it was it was created by J. J. Abrams.
Speaker 1: And there's this like, you know, uber bad guy whose
Speaker 1: name I forget, and he's trying to amass all these
Speaker 1: artifacts and stuff from this one particular you know, mad
Speaker 1: medieval genius. The idea of being is if you get
Speaker 1: all these together and I forget it's been a while
Speaker 1: and and wave wave your hands over them and see
Speaker 1: the right words, you achieve immortality. And so I think
Speaker 1: that the ultimate episode, the ending episode of the show.
Speaker 1: The spoilers, yeah, well, I mean everybody's gonna watch that show.
Speaker 1: Has been years since the show was Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: this guy goes into this cave and he and he
Speaker 1: has shot is shot. Our heroine's father is also a
Speaker 1: regularity in the series, and so he shot him and
Speaker 1: left him for dead, but he's not quite dead. It
Speaker 1: goes into this cave and and and finds this this
Speaker 1: little room in the that's got you know, the final
Speaker 1: piece he needs to achieve immortality. And then the achieves immortality,
Speaker 1: and then suddenly Dad pops in the doorway and he's
Speaker 1: got like a dynamite belt and blows it up and
Speaker 1: kills he kills him. He dies, of course, and of
Speaker 1: course the cave partially collapses, and so this guy who's
Speaker 1: now immortal has to spend eternity trapped in a cavern
Speaker 1: pinned under a boulder. Yeah, it was like the ultimate
Speaker 1: come up. But anyway, I'm totally gonna go off the
Speaker 1: yeare Yeah, Okay, So much of the wandering to a was,
Speaker 1: as I said in my notes series, got black hair,
Speaker 1: which is which is fair enough. But he was also
Speaker 1: described as having pale skin, and especially in the days
Speaker 1: of Jesus, the Jews did not have pale skin. No,
Speaker 1: they look like little small Arabs. And the Arabs were
Speaker 1: small back in those days too. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: like two thousand years ago. Everybody's probably five ft three.
Speaker 1: That was a tall person. I mean have you ever
Speaker 1: ever seen like you go to England he sees do
Speaker 1: you see these suits of armor that are on display. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like these were the big guys. They're really big
Speaker 1: guys that got to push everybody else around, and they're
Speaker 1: about as tall as Devon. Yeah if everyone was my size. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know people were small back in the day. What's next, Okay,
Speaker 1: our next theory suspended animation. Yeah, so the count we
Speaker 1: can't would go out meet with people, you know, get
Speaker 1: his face out there, you know, and then go back
Speaker 1: to wherever and jump into his suspended animation capsule and
Speaker 1: just you know, not age for twenty years. Yea, now
Speaker 1: it is dumb. Just threw it in there. Next next
Speaker 1: to one is time travel. Yeah, it was a time travel.
Speaker 1: It would make sense. That would makes sense. He was
Speaker 1: able to foresee things happen that happened in the future,
Speaker 1: tried to warn people people. Yeah, he couldn't actually intervene,
Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, so it's not like so he
Speaker 1: in this scenario, he had a normal lifespan, but he
Speaker 1: was able to spread it out very great number of
Speaker 1: years because he was bouncing around between points and times
Speaker 1: the important points. Yeah, so I'm assigning this one in Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, yeah, no not just yeah, okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: uh next up, and then that kind of fits he
Speaker 1: was a vampire because he didn't eat food, didn't have sex.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're right. I didn't know he could be
Speaker 1: dead and he could be dead by he could have
Speaker 1: got him. Yeah, I know. Uh so if he was
Speaker 1: a vampire, that explains why he wouldn't eat food and
Speaker 1: why he wasn't having sex with women. Yeah. And it
Speaker 1: was also very pale. So this is going with the
Speaker 1: glittery vampires, not the Dracula vampires. In other words, he
Speaker 1: can go in the sun because but literally Bram Stoker
Speaker 1: Dracula can't go in the sun and he burst into flame.
Speaker 1: This guy is like hob nobbing and going around. I'm
Speaker 1: assuming that if we you know, if you read some
Speaker 1: of the accounts, he's hanging out in the day with
Speaker 1: people's which makes me think that he's going the like
Speaker 1: I said, the glittery vampire, like Twilight. Yeah, the Twilight Vampire.
Speaker 1: Thank you, I have expunged the name of that series
Speaker 1: from my brain. I'm glad I was able to put
Speaker 1: it back in what show in fairness, Twilight is not
Speaker 1: the first uh work to explore vampires as being able
Speaker 1: to go into the daylight. Yeah, just saying I kind
Speaker 1: of prefer vampires being kind of limited age. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: what was the other one? That Queen of the Dam
Speaker 1: has some stuff in that too. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: other I mean, I know that, like, well, if you
Speaker 1: were like say of Lestat Stature, you know, then he
Speaker 1: actually was able to go out in the sun and
Speaker 1: toast himself and still survive it. But a young vampire
Speaker 1: couldn't survive it. But that's but you have to argue,
Speaker 1: if you know the Comte de Saint Germaine is vampire,
Speaker 1: he's obviously of at least listat Stature. Well, yeah, of
Speaker 1: course yea, And yeah, I don't know how much time
Speaker 1: he spent, like you know, outside versus inside and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. I think this has probably got the most
Speaker 1: pop cultural references ever an episode. Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually I never thought we'd talked about it. And rights book, Yeah,
Speaker 1: actually her vampire books were pretty good and joy they
Speaker 1: were entertaining. The next theory, he just told a lot
Speaker 1: of tall tales. He's just a liar that could have
Speaker 1: been Yeah, he made a lot of very dubious claims.
Speaker 1: He told people that he was five hundred years old.
Speaker 1: Voltaire called him the wonder man, and sarcastically, Castingova was
Speaker 1: another doubter. Uh. He met the Count numerous times, and
Speaker 1: he was as I said, was in his memoirs. The
Speaker 1: Count was in Castanova's memoirs, that is, and here's a
Speaker 1: small there's a small quote from he had more to say. Quote.
Speaker 1: This extraordinary man, intended by nature to be the king
Speaker 1: of impostors and quacks, would say, in an easy, assured manner,
Speaker 1: that he was three years old, that he knew the
Speaker 1: secret of the universal medicine, that he possessed a mastery
Speaker 1: over nature, That he could melt diamonds, professing himself capable
Speaker 1: of forming out of ten or twelve small diamonds one
Speaker 1: large one of the finest water without any loss of weight.
Speaker 1: All this he said, was a mere trifle to him.
Speaker 1: Notwithstanding his boastings, his bare his bare face lies, and
Speaker 1: his manifold eccentricities, I cannot say that I thought him offensive.
Speaker 1: In spite of my knowledge of what he was, and
Speaker 1: in spite of my own feelings, I thought him an
Speaker 1: astonishing man, as he was always astonishing me, and Cassanova
Speaker 1: said that, right, we're not saying some puritan or yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, this guy was just a crank and
Speaker 1: a boster. So I gotta be honest. Anybody who says
Speaker 1: they practice alchemy, Yeah, that just sounds like I tinker
Speaker 1: in the garage and I play with these chemicals and
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I can make goal gold out of lead,
Speaker 1: and oh I made this a lixxir one time that
Speaker 1: made me immortal, But I can't figure out how to
Speaker 1: do it again, because of course I'm so brave. I
Speaker 1: made this thing that I didn't know what it was
Speaker 1: going to do, and then I drank it. Well, but
Speaker 1: what if it's real? Though? No, but I mean genuinely,
Speaker 1: think about if alchemy was real and people knew about it,
Speaker 1: if you knew how to do that, would you be
Speaker 1: broadcasting it everywhere and saying I know how to create
Speaker 1: all this wealth? Or would you hold that in and
Speaker 1: just secretly work your way up into the upper achalons
Speaker 1: of society and just comfortably stay there. Yeah, you'd be
Speaker 1: nuts to actually let that secret out, because if anybody
Speaker 1: can make gold out of whatever, and then pretty soon
Speaker 1: goal is not worth a thing. So yeah, you obviously
Speaker 1: want to keep it close. Alchemy has got kind of
Speaker 1: a poor track record. Yeah, I can see. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: been a what did Cassanova say, what's the term quacks? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of quacks. Yeah. No, I mean
Speaker 1: I understand the desire to create gold out of nothing
Speaker 1: or lead or whatever, and a lot of people have
Speaker 1: wasted a lot of time. I'm trying to do that.
Speaker 1: I just continue to argue that if you were actually
Speaker 1: successful with that, you wouldn't be trying to tell people
Speaker 1: that you were doing it. You wouldn't know, you would
Speaker 1: not tell people behind it. Same thing with the Diona.
Speaker 1: I can take ten or twelve small diamond and yeah,
Speaker 1: why would you do that? Yeah, and then you know
Speaker 1: what you know, I mean, take a couple hundred diamonds
Speaker 1: and make the Hope diamond out of it. That'd be cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that'd be really awesome. See that. It's probably how the
Speaker 1: Hope Diamond was formed. Yeah. And one last thing there
Speaker 1: at the time was an English comedian who called himself
Speaker 1: Lord Gower, who was at large in Paris, and he
Speaker 1: used to impersonate the Count of Saint Germain in Paris saloons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he made up even crazier stories, and the real
Speaker 1: accounts like that he had advised Jesus and stuff like this,
Speaker 1: and so let's stuff gets repeated around. Of course, next
Speaker 1: thing you know, people are repeating it like it's true,
Speaker 1: are mixed up with who said it, yeah and so
Speaker 1: um and so. Yeah. I think this is all just
Speaker 1: a big hoax. Yeah, I think, Yeah, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: I think it's stories mixed with stories, mixed with stories,
Speaker 1: and once they get mixed up, you can never pull
Speaker 1: them back apart. This guy is telling these tall tales,
Speaker 1: this other guy is making fun of him, telling even
Speaker 1: taller tales. And then it as Joe made the the
Speaker 1: good observation of his saying I'm count Saint Germain is
Speaker 1: a bit of a gag, just as fuel to the fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think that really, his legend probably was
Speaker 1: such that I really do think that it probably became
Speaker 1: a standing joke. You know, I see the count. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that might have been a refrigerator running. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I I love the idea of somebody being
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say immortal, but extremely long live. So
Speaker 1: let's just say a lifespan of four hundred years. I really.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a little bit of romantic appeal in
Speaker 1: terms of getting to see things and experience everything. So
Speaker 1: I like the idea. I'm not going to discount the
Speaker 1: idea at all, but I can't back it. Yeah, now
Speaker 1: I can't either, so so sorry, I don't think it
Speaker 1: was immortal. But anyway, if you are the real count
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