WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The Count St. Germain 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:17.000 Thinking Sideways. I don't never stories of things we simply 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:22.239 don't know the answer too. Well. Hello there, welcome again 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:25.920 to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe, joined as 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:30.080 always by Devin and Steve, and as you know, if 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:31.880 well if you've never listened to us before, what we 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.880 do is we solved unsolved mysteries. We find a mystery, 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:37.680 we pounded into the ground until it finally christ no Moss, 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:40.200 no Moss, and then we tell you how to find 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:44.040 us on Stitcher and iTunes and stuff. He's playing. Yeah, 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.120 that's the worst description of the show I've ever heard. 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.040 Episodes we haven't solved anything. Always saw the few we 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:54.920 solve loss Boi Larry, No, no, we didn't solve that one. 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:58.520 I think we did well. Okay, according to Joe, if 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:02.080 we solved them all, fine, yeah, not actually what happens okay, 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:04.240 But occasionally we'll shed a little a little bit of 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:06.520 ray of light on something, you know, we might add 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:09.520 something to it. Okay, Well, so let's let's move ahead 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.920 here and let's talk about our weekly mystery here. The 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:16.560 mystery is the Count of Saint Germain. I know some 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:18.400 of you may have heard of this guy. I've heard 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:23.679 of the liquor St. Germaine. Uh, this this show was, 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.560 or this idea was actually a listener's suggestion unfortunately, was 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.360 suggested by a whole bunch of listeners and not just one. 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.080 And so usually we give acknowledgement, but in this case 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:34.800 we're not going to be. You know who you are, 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:36.800 I know who you are, and thanks a lot, but 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.760 I would say fortunately, not unfortunately. Yeah, this is a 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.520 good one. Yeah, Yeah, it's an interesting story. So the 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.920 Count of Saint Germaine. Nobody knows precisely when he was born. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.280 Some sorts of say seventeen ten, some seventeen twelve, some 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:57.200 say sixteen nineties, some say before Christ. Yeah. He was 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.200 a European dude who claimed he was the son of 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:02.320 Prince France. Sists the second Racozi and I'm sure Mr 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:06.520 pronouncing that of Transylvania. He was prominent in high society 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.040 in the eighteenth centuries, particularly in France, but in other 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.960 places too. He hobnobbed with a lot of famous people, 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:16.359 including King's Louis the fifteenth and Louis the sixteenth of France. Voltaire, 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:20.400 he probably heard of him. Uh, Giacomo Cassanova, you've heard 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.920 of Casanova, I'm sure. And in fact, Cassanova mentioned the 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.959 count in his memoirs. He does, he does, and also 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:30.720 Catherine the Great of Russia and lots and lots of 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:35.239 other people. Supposedly st booked lots of languages very fluently. Um, 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.600 and he played the violet in the harpsichord like a master. 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.399 He wrote, He wrote opera songs and stuff like that. 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.440 I mean, um, he was the guy was the word 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.280 of thinking of Paula Math. The guy was like, you know, 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.240 kind of like Benjamin Franklin. That was some of those 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:51.800 guys and just geniuses. It all kinds of different things. Now, 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.680 he knew a lot about science and philosophy, and Prince 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:59.560 Charles of Hess Castles in Germany apparently said that he 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.079 was quote one of the greatest philosophers who ever lived, 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:05.320 unquote what else. He was into alchemy and he claimed 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.240 to have had great success. He claimed to have invented 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:11.000 all kinds of little powders that would make you immortal 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.120 and stuff like that. So basically he was kind of 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:17.799 like the full package, I know. And yeah, great conversationalist, 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:21.520 charming fellow. Lots of people reported, you know, hanging with 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.440 him and enjoying his company a whole lot. He was 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.079 apparently rich, never short on cash, which is why people 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.600 hung out with him. Probably he was hanging out with 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:34.800 royalty and so they weren't hurt for cash either. Oddly, 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.280 no one or at least very few people, ever saw 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.800 him eat any food. He would have dinner with people 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:41.400 and he would just spend a whole time talking and 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.680 not eat a single thing. Did he drink I don't know. 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:48.960 Probably presumably. Presumably did also something about him drinking a 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.800 special tea. Yeah, I was noted in some of the writings, 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.560 and that was the only thing I ever saw. He 0:03:55.600 --> 0:04:00.120 supposedly invented something called Russian and Russian tea. Uh. He 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:04.000 also apparently abstained from sex. He didn't, even though women 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.640 found it very very charming. He didn't actually pursue women 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.119 or have a wife or a girlfriend or anything like that. 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.760 He also was rumored to have been a member of 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:19.040 some secret societies like the Rosicrucians, the Freemasons, the Knights, Templar, 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.960 and some other ones. All the big ones, all the 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:28.640 big scary ones, the illumina. Yeah, I know, and it 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:30.920 seems to me that he had He played a fairly 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.880 major part in shaping European politics in the eighteenth century. 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:38.080 But his biggest claim to fame is for being immortal. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:42.719 Oh yeah, well, if not immortal, very long live, extremely 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:46.320 long lived. Yeah. As I said earlier, his data birth 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:51.080 was put it around seventeen ten, maybe seventeen twelve. Accounts, 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:54.040 very nobody really knows, and that the count was notoriously 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.120 hard to pin down and stuff like that. He didn't 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.280 exactly say when he was born, or where he was 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.520 born or thing. There's only later in life that they 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.560 told Prince Charles of hes Cassal that he had been 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.200 he was the son of Prince Francis, the second of Transylvania. 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:11.040 But other than that, he tended to a vague questions 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.839 about his origins. But there were people who have said 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.800 that they knew him in seventeen ten and at the 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:21.560 time he was around forty five years old. Yeah, yeah, 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.440 I know. Another guy and the guy who was called 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:28.440 Baron von Stoch said that he knew the Count between 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.400 the year seventeen fifteen to seventeen twenty three, and he 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:35.120 was about forty five then. And in seventeen thirty five, 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.440 a guy named Mona and French guy saw him in 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.480 Holland apparently had seen it sometime in the far our 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.359 previous past, like seventeen ten, and Standing reported he had 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.480 an aged a day that time. So that's odd, that's 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.880 kind of strange. Was he the original Benjamin Button? Is 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.560 that he was just aging backwards? We could have been that. Yeah, 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:56.920 I think it's it's it was he was in stasis, 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.679 not aging backwards. Like I have seen you in twenty 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:02.960 years and you look younger. It's wow, you look exactly 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:06.839 the same. You know, it's probably one of those portrait 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.039 of Dorian Gray kind of delos are made a pact 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:14.159 with the devil or just Kiana Reeves. Yeah, I know. 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.760 Quick aside here he went by a lot of different names, 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:21.800 which is not unusual time. Apparently some of his alias 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:28.000 were the Marquis de Montferrat, Count de bellamar Chevalier, Count Velden, 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:40.360 Comptes Saltikov, graph Stars zar again okay, Graf Zarog, and 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:44.560 Prince Rocoisie And I mispronounced most of those. I'm sure 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:49.520 you did miles better than I. Ever, it looks like 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.240 the rumors of his immortality. Nobody can say exactly when 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.080 they seemed to have started, but They may have begun 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.280 in seventeen sixty in Paris. A certain countess of one 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:03.479 Georgie had owned the count in Venice in seventeen ten, apparently, 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.080 and when she met him again, she was amazed to 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.720 see that he hadn't aged at all, and asked him 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.720 if it was his if it was his father that 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.560 she had known in Venice, and he said no, that 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.360 it was it was he who had known her. And 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:17.960 apparently he was able to discuss in enough detail with 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.440 her what the things that had had they had done 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.320 together in Venice that she was convinced that it wasn't him, 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:27.240 just saying, yeah, that was me. Yeah. He recounted conversation 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:31.000 and events and stuff that they together. Yeah, she was 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.480 She was amazed and said he couldn't She couldn't quite 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.240 believe it, and uh, you just said, my mom, I 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:40.040 am very old, so maybe it was. So I'm gonna 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.600 go to his life a little bit here. He traveled 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.720 a lot in the in the year seventeen thirty seven 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:50.560 seventeen forty two, he was in Persia studying alchemy. Yeah, 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.120 and then when he returned he went to their side. Well, 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.120 And when he was in Persia he was good friends 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:59.560 with the show. If he hung with the show, Yeah, 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:04.480 he's hob nobbing with the elite of wherever he's at. Yeah, 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:07.960 wherever he goes, he seems to work his way right in. 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.280 In the mid seventeen forties, he lived in England for 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.440 a while. He was arrested in seventeen forty five on 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:15.120 suspicion of espionage, but they didn't have anything to really 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.320 hold him on, so they let him go. And who 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.720 knows he might have been spying. He showed up in 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:24.280 France in about seventeen forty eight and worked his way 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.960 into the court of Louis the fifteenth, and Louis the 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.400 fifteenth was sent him on diplomatic missions, so yeah, maybe 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.160 he made it. Might have been a spy. Yeah, he 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.680 could have been a spy. I mean, diplomats always often 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.280 do spy. Yeah, that's that. Those two are kind of 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:42.640 synonymous with each other, especially at that Yeah. Yeahs now, 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:47.520 technically technically supposedly, well, there's still plenty of people in 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:52.160 the embassy were spies, but not all of them are evidently. Yeah, 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:56.200 in seventeen fifty five. He went to India. In seventeen 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.880 sixty during the Seven Years War, he went to Holland 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:02.240 where he tried to open negotiations supposedly in between Britain 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.959 and France. The British ambassador wouldn't deal with him unless 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:09.439 he had credentials. It came directly from Louis fifteen. Now, 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:11.640 which war was it that was going on at that time, 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.880 the Seven Years War? Seven? I couldn't remember exactly which one, 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:18.080 but he was there what two or three years into 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.440 the war? Uh, yeah, I think about it hadn't reached it. 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.280 There was a title of seven years and yeah, now 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.640 at that point in time, it was about halfways you know, 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.960 maybe four years in I think, and uh, it was 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.880 destined to go on a little bit longer, unorginnately. Yeah. 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:37.120 I actually learned something interesting recently, which is that the 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:40.040 the French and Indian War you've heard about, Yeah, it 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:42.080 was actually part of the Seven Years War, the Seven 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.800 Years War actually how uh This basically the Seven Years 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:49.920 War was a clash between miscellaneous European powers that took 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:51.560 place all over the world. It took place some of 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:55.120 the classes took place in Europe, some took place in 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:59.160 North America and Central America. They were all, I mean, 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.920 there are all kinds of battlefields in the Seven Years War, 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:04.079 which I had not known. I've got to read a 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:06.720 book about the war, because yeah, I was gonna say, so, basically, 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:11.000 if their forces ran into each other, they immediately started fighting. Yeah, 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:16.959 They're like brothers in a bar basically. So yeah, the 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:18.920 Seven Years of War. I am going to read a 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:22.360 book about that and get back to you guys. At 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.160 this time, there was a certain plotter whose name I'm 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.360 not going to try to It was the Duke, the Duke. 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:39.160 The Sasse is French for hazard, So so that this 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.120 this this schemer, this plotter, the Duke of Hazard, convinced 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.800 Louis the fifties to disavow Saint Germain and the request 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:49.520 his his arrest and extradition by the Dutch. The Dutch 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.600 saw this is just internal French politics and they didn't 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:54.560 really want to get involved. So they saw for what 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:58.400 it was. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, So instead of instead 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:02.560 of extraditing back to France, they they got the British 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:06.439 ambassador hall Ind to issue the Count a British passport, 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:11.280 which they called it a blank passport, a passport so 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.360 you could fill it any name he wanted to use. 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:15.440 I wish I could do that. You didn't have to 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.559 have an It wasn't like it was issued and had 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:19.480 a photograph in it and all of that. It just 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:23.679 said who you were, you could steal somebody's for all you. Oh, 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.440 I know, and they would accept it. That's crazy. Yeah, 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:30.800 it's kind of crazy. Also crazy, is right. Britain was like, oh, hey, 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:35.679 we're gonna arrest you because years later Yeah, and then 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:42.599 years later, oh here's here's actually just a blank passport. Yeah, 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:48.200 we're over it. People were more relaxed back I read 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:50.520 and apparently this is should I read it? You know 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:55.400 the books Master Master in Commander series, but Patrick, what's 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.679 his name? That the book the film Master in Commander. Yeah, 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.920 and they were actually there any recreations of that period 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:06.360 in history during the Napoleonic Wars and his uh there 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.000 there they get captured our heroes and there and the 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:13.760 crew get captured by the French, and the French let 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.920 them go. If about just said you have to promise 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:18.719 not to take part in anymore fighting in the war, 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:20.200 and we'll let you go and we won't keep we 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.600 won't keep you captive. And so I said, okay, and 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.600 so and they and they honored the request. They didn't 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:26.679 take part in any more battles. They just they just 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:28.679 kicked back and watched the war go on around them. 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.360 So things were just a little bit different back. I 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:37.160 can't no, not quiet. Okay, that was an annoying a side, 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:42.400 I apologize. So he, on his blank passport, got to 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.840 travel to Britain and escape the clutches of Louis the 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:48.559 fifteen and all of the court intrigues there. Yeah. Nice, Okay. 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:52.480 Two years later he goes to Russia, where supposedly he 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:54.720 he knew Catherine the Great and he was involved in 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:59.400 the conspiracy to overthrow Zar Peter the Third and placed 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.280 Catherine the Great on the throne. And apparently that that 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:06.160 did happen, Did it did happen? It was involved. Supposedly 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.520 He also later advised the commander of the Imperial Russian 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:12.160 Armies in their war against Turkey, so he was, among 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.840 everything else, he's a great strategist, he's, yeah, I mean, 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:19.560 because he's figuring out how to how to maneuver political 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:23.040 stuff around as well as armies and forces on the 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.680 field of battle. I guess some could argue to a 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:32.000 suspicious degree, yeah, right, that it almost seems less that 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.360 he is good at strategy and more that he just 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:41.120 knows what's going to happen. M that's possible, little prescient. Yeah, 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:45.200 that's he did make some predictions. He made all kinds 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:48.640 of interesting predictions and a lot of which came true. Yeah, 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:52.520 but we're gonna talk about that in the theories. Okay, sorry, 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.600 no words. In seventeen seventy four, you return to France 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:59.199 Louis the sixteenth, wasn't that one power along with Marie Antoinette, 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.800 he agedly at this point warned them that a revolution 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.199 was to come about fifteen years in the future. You 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.360 all know how that ended. Yeah, that did not end well? 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:12.480 Uh yeah, yeah, I know that went on for Yeah, 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.920 should not end well for a lot of people that 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.400 were previously in power and a lot of other people. Decides. 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:22.640 Blood flowed freely. Let's just say it was here for liberty, 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:27.440 a galaze, fra turnity. Yeah, okay, still happening apparently, Yeah, 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:31.040 in this room in seventeen seventy five. This is one 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.000 source that I found and I just haven't seen this 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.280 anywhere else but this one. Oh yeah, I remember this. Yeah. 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.840 He claims that the count was in America, where he 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.520 was known as the professor, and supposedly he was involved 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:46.200 with all of our revolutionary founding father guys. And in 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.080 the seventeen seventy six he supposedly give a very stirring 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.880 speech and Independence Hall to the assembled delegates who are 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.440 about to sign the Declaration of Independence. That sounds like 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.440 somebody trying to prove that he's the doctor. I was 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:01.520 seeking the same thing and held back time. Yeah, but 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.800 I think about this because I mean, at the time 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:05.640 these guys are putting their names on what was the 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.240 treason this document, I mean, they were risking their lives 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:11.680 absolutely and their fortunes by doing this, and apparently their 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.080 morale was kind of so so, so it might be 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.120 the Count bucked up the morale sufficiently with his stirring 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:20.200 speed that he actually caused that declaration to be signed 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.200 and House America had come into being. Have you, either 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:28.640 of you watched the Uh it's Paul Giamati and I 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:32.680 cannot think of it's a it's a not a it's 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:35.360 a mini series basically, but it's like five or six 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:40.520 one hour long episode. I want to see that, but 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.640 I have not seen it. But they do a really 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.800 good job of illustrating what we were talking about of 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:49.600 all of the the reluctance and the infighting and the 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:54.640 hesitance of wait, are we really going to leave England? 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.480 You realize what this is gonna do to us. And 0:15:57.520 --> 0:15:59.520 it's the first time that it. I mean, I've read 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:01.440 about it. I think we've all read about it, but 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.960 it's hard to imagine. But they get some great actors 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.520 and he's like, oh, I totally get this. I feel 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.160 really dumb for not figuring that out ahead of time. 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:13.040 How disturbing that idea would have to be at that time? 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:14.880 Oh yeah, for sure. I mean I think that there 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:17.680 was I think a lot of people who, you know, 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:19.480 if you read our history books to considered kind of 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.800 traitorous because they sided with the Brits. But you can 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.520 see how they would feel some loyalty to the crown. 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.560 I am a descendant of one of the Declarations of 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:31.200 Independence signers, so a bit of a yeah, yeah, he's 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:36.320 my dad exactly, so yeah, yeah, but yeah, anyway, it 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.200 was it was not a given that we were going 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.000 to achieve our independence at that time. So it was 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:41.800 a pretty brave deal in those ways, and we have 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.360 the count to thank for this. I can feel like 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.320 he shoehorned into that story. I think so too. Ellent 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:54.840 mar either way, in seventeen seventy nine, and I'm leaving 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:56.720 a lot out of his timeline. He actually was bouncing 0:16:56.720 --> 0:17:01.640 around all over. The timeline is a maze easingly dense. Yeah, 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.680 and considering how slow travel was in those days, I mean, 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.240 he really got around. It's amazing. Halfway around the world 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.120 in seventeen seventy nine. Now he went to Hamburg, Germany 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.959 and became buds with Prince Charles of Hesse Castle, who 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:19.000 I talked about earlier. Uh, And that he lived as 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:24.640 a guest in the princess castle at an unpronounceable town 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:29.720 and I'm gonna call it eerd Okay, we'll call it that. 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:35.399 According to local records, he died there February seventeen eighty four. 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.160 He left me had some clothes, little cash, personal items 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:42.240 like combs and razors and stuff like that, but no gold, 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.720 no jewels or anything else particularly valuable. So that's where 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:49.680 our story ends. Yeah, but not quite. Yeah, it turns 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:55.399 out he returns from the dead in seventeen eighty five. Now, 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:59.080 remember he died in seventeen eighty four. He shows up 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.240 at the mass on a convention in Paris apparently was 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:06.200 actually on the registry there and everything, So that's interesting. 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.200 I supposedly in se six he had a meeting with 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:13.880 the Empress of Russia, presumably as Catherine the Grade presumed, 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:18.280 I don't uh. In seventeen eight cents, a letter to 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:23.240 Louis sixteenth and lo Intoinette was with with a warning, 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.639 which is, let's let's remember it's only a year until 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:28.840 the start of the French Revolution. I'm not going to 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.520 read the entire letter because it's kind of long. Let 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:33.520 read the first cents or two. The time is fast 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:36.840 approaching when imprudent France surround have been misfortune, she might 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.920 have spared herself will call to mind such hell as 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.640 Dante painted, and on and on and on from there. 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:47.840 It's pretty dire. Yeah, it's not not a happy letter. Yeah. Anyway, So, 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.720 and they apparently didn't heed his warning, and maybe maybe 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.160 there were a wasn't much they could do in seventeen 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:59.879 in seventeen to other people reported running into them. Also, 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.000 I'm not gonna tell you their names because I can't 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:07.040 pronounce him. Yeah, they ran into him. So they saw 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:10.240 him somewhere and talked to him, ran into him, or 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:14.320 saw him at a distance. Now they the first one 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.840 claims to have spoken to him. Another one claims to 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:20.240 have met with him, and he said, oh, this is 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:22.520 an interesting one to His name is Baron Lyndon. He 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:26.560 was he met with him, and the count said that 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:28.040 he was on his way out of Europe, headed for 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:30.920 the him in las quote, I will rest, I must 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.400 rest exactly in eighty five years, will people again set 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:39.359 eyes on me? Farewell words of the count. But he 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:41.600 must have five, because he actually shut up a little 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:46.359 earlier in that. But yeah, he had a flair for 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:50.360 the dramatic. You guys have noticed that. Yeah, maybe him 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:54.399 in eighty five days could have been Yeah. In late 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:57.560 seventeen eighty nine, the counts Is said another name I 0:19:57.600 --> 0:19:59.320 don't know how to pronounce. I'm just gonna I'm just 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:02.280 gonna murder it here it said dott him yor Doti 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:07.439 mayor I don't know the best, Okay. So she got 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:09.119 a letter from saying the sun had set in the 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:11.640 French monarchy and it was too late. His hands were 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:16.359 tied by quote once stronger than myself unquote, he prophecied 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:19.280 the death of Marie Antoinette, the ruin of the royal family, 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.160 and the rise of Napoleon. So yeah, this guy must 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:27.480 have had a time machine. Huh yeah, Yeah. Marty mcclaude 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:29.640 gave him a book of history, one of the two. Yeah. 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:34.959 In he again wrote a letter with the prophetic warning 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:39.600 about Marie Antoinette's death, said in her fate would be 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:42.239 death and that's how it turned out to be. And 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:44.320 the countess asked, this is again in the countess with 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.000 the unpronounceable name asked if she would see him again 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.760 after he gave her the prophecy, and he replied five 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:53.040 more times, do not wish for a sixth Apparently that 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:56.119 means a sixth time it's going to be when she dies. Yeah, 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:58.240 I know. So the first of the six was the 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.320 assassination of Marie Antoinette Monce she ran into him again. 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:06.680 Another in englishman saw him in seventeen inter prison in France. 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:10.160 In seventeen nine, he was seen by that same count 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:12.840 as we just talked about at the eighteenth Premier of 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:17.040 Leu sixteenth that was a cut data and which Napoleon 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:21.280 overtook the French consulates and began his cue. So most 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:24.320 of these are that that one countess saying oh I 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:28.840 saw him again, right, Well, are they substantiated by other 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.520 people at the same time? Is that there are other 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:33.920 people who were also saying, oh yeah, I saw him 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:36.800 too and it was a weird sing. Well there are 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:38.920 actually I'm going to skip over some of the rest 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:43.720 of this particular countesses things. Uh In. Albert Vandam, who's 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:47.359 an Englishman, wrote in his memoirs and talked about a 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:51.200 person who bore a lot of resemblance to the Count 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:55.840 of Saint Germain. But he called himself Major Fraser. But 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:57.680 he but he just sounds a lot like him. But 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:00.320 we'll skip that because he didn't actually say it was 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:04.120 Saint Germaine, so no more of that. And he met 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:07.080 with a certain Lord Lytton whose full name is Edward 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:11.639 George Earl Lytton Boulward Lytton. Yeah, not at all. I 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:13.159 hate to be a kid, have to learn how to 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:16.080 write all of that. Imagine that every time he signed 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:20.080 a check somehow, I don't think there was much check 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:25.760 signing happening, probably not. But Lord Lytton was an English politician, 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:29.240 poet and a novelist. He was very popular and he 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:32.919 coined some really kind of that's the word I'm thinking 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:37.959 of cliche phrases these days, whereas like the Great un Washed, 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:42.480 the pant is mightier than the sword. Yeah, but apparently 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:43.720 so this is the guy who said that he met 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:47.040 with the count. He was seen in eighteen sixty seven 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:49.879 and a meeting for the Grand Lodge of Freemasons in Milan, Italy. 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:53.320 In eighteen seventy Napoleon third was became so interested in 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:55.920 this undying count that he had a special commission put 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:59.160