WEBVTT - 1. The Case

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<v Speaker 1>Murder on Songbird Road is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>What follows is a nine one one call place buy

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<v Speaker 1>a woman named Julia Beverly in December of twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Its content may be disturbing to some listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Julie, Okay, okay, okay listen content?

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<v Speaker 3>What is listen to me?

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<v Speaker 4>Condent?

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<v Speaker 5>What's your address?

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<v Speaker 6>Four?

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<v Speaker 1>One three zero four is un murder Aia, Illinois?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay listen?

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<v Speaker 5>He said one three zero four songbird.

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<v Speaker 7>And one there is zero four okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you find a story, sometimes the story finds you.

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<v Speaker 1>The message request started coming in through Facebook February sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty three. The first one was a link

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<v Speaker 1>to an article with the headline jury finds Julia Beverly

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<v Speaker 1>guilty in the stabbing death of Jade Beasley. It was

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<v Speaker 1>immediately followed up with a message notification, which was immediately unsent,

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<v Speaker 1>and then this text please prayer hand emoji if you

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<v Speaker 1>can help considering. The prosecution's ending argument was even though

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<v Speaker 1>we have no physical evidence, dot dot dot yet guilty.

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<v Speaker 1>And so began a steady stream of missed video calls

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<v Speaker 1>and links pertaining to this case.

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<v Speaker 8>A jury trial for a Williamson County woman accused of

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<v Speaker 8>murdering a young girl starts tomorrow. Julia Beverley is set

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<v Speaker 8>to be in county court tomorrow morning at nine. She's

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<v Speaker 8>accused of murdering eleven year old Jade Beasley in December

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<v Speaker 8>of twenty twenty. Beasley died from multiple stab wounds. According

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<v Speaker 8>to investigators. Beverly pleaded not guilty. In the wake of

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<v Speaker 8>Beasley's death.

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<v Speaker 1>In Marion, Illinois, an eleven year old girl brutally stabbed

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<v Speaker 1>to death her father's longtime living girlfriend, maintaining innocence but

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<v Speaker 1>charged with her murder.

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<v Speaker 9>I ain't gonna life, you know, by the news articles,

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<v Speaker 9>I thought she was guilty at hers, aspiring what the

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<v Speaker 9>news said.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Whitney Nicole, the woman behind my myriad of Facebook messages.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just a resident of this town and I can't

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<v Speaker 3>be quiet, and this eleven't innocent woman, but I believe

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<v Speaker 3>truly is innocent to.

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<v Speaker 9>Just sit in wat'e more of her time behind ours.

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<v Speaker 1>Whitney speaks the way she communicated on Facebook a bit

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<v Speaker 1>in bursts.

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<v Speaker 9>Marrying has always been a sweet stuff under the red

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<v Speaker 9>type of deal around here.

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<v Speaker 7>They don't saw murders they cover, and these journalists around

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<v Speaker 7>here or news reporters are ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>They were lives.

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<v Speaker 9>And it's not innocent a proven guilty around here, it's

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<v Speaker 9>you're guilty.

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<v Speaker 1>Her outreach seems sincerely motivated by her concern for Julia Beverly,

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<v Speaker 1>a woman she says she barely knows.

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<v Speaker 9>I haven't only met her, probably a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 9>But I'm just seeing all the Ronalds. I just this girl,

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<v Speaker 9>it just needs help. That's a sorry for her, like

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<v Speaker 9>she does not deserve this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Lauren brad Pacheco, and this is murder on some

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<v Speaker 1>Bird Road. The nine one one call came in Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>December five, twenty twenty, at twelve twenty four pm. It

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<v Speaker 1>was an unseasonably warm winter day in Illinois, sunny, with

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<v Speaker 1>a high of fifty four degrees.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, someone had broken into your house.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when it broke in, they were running out as

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<v Speaker 1>I was coming home.

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<v Speaker 9>From Okay, listen, listen to me.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna take a bit.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't understand what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It originated from a somewhat rural section of Marion, Illinois,

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<v Speaker 1>a flat area of former farmland peppered with modest, mostly

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<v Speaker 1>ranch style homes.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, someone came running out of your house.

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<v Speaker 10>Daly got running out wherever home?

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<v Speaker 2>I know?

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<v Speaker 9>My norm was over?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. The stretch of Songbird Road where the murder occurred

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<v Speaker 1>is dotted with Little League baseball fields, some still playable,

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<v Speaker 1>most overgrown by weeds and sectioned off, resting chain link fences,

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<v Speaker 1>exuding an eerie air of time suspended and innocence lost.

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<v Speaker 8>Which way did they go?

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<v Speaker 10>That is right out where all one? And I came

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<v Speaker 10>in the check on Jane.

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<v Speaker 1>The call lasts for nearly twelve minutes. As a sobbing

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<v Speaker 1>Julia Beverley struggles to speak.

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<v Speaker 11>Who are else than the residence?

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<v Speaker 10>This is me right now?

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<v Speaker 9>But darn't?

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<v Speaker 10>Dead?

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<v Speaker 3>Is in the bottom?

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<v Speaker 9>We've got multiple one all over?

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<v Speaker 8>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Who is it in the bathtomb?

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<v Speaker 7>Is much time?

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<v Speaker 1>Hatter?

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<v Speaker 9>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>How old is she.

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<v Speaker 6>One?

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<v Speaker 11>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Is she awakes?

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<v Speaker 12>No?

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<v Speaker 6>I think that's not moving.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay.

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<v Speaker 12>Hold on.

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<v Speaker 4>When that person left?

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<v Speaker 11>Did they leave in a vehicle or on foot?

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<v Speaker 4>They were on pos They just took over rudden.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay?

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<v Speaker 5>Could you tell if there was a male or a female?

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<v Speaker 2>It was a male?

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<v Speaker 4>Could you tell that colored shirt he was wearing.

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<v Speaker 9>He wasn't all black.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Police arrived on the scene at twelve thirty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Thought, okay, there's.

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<v Speaker 11>An author's tree pulling end.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, Joe, I wanna let you talk to them.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>They would find a still hysterical Julia Elaine Beverly, aged

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine, inside the house in a bathtub with cold

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<v Speaker 1>running water. They would discover eleven year old Jade Marie Beasley.

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<v Speaker 1>Jade would be pronounced dead at the scene. The cause

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<v Speaker 1>of death was loss of blood from multiple stab wounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Through existing media coverage, I could quickly piece together that

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<v Speaker 1>Julia Beverly and Jade's father, Mike Beasley, had been a

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<v Speaker 1>couple for nearly eight years. They both had a child

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<v Speaker 1>from previous relationships who were about the same age. Jade

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<v Speaker 1>was eleven and Julia's son, Jaden, was ten years old

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<v Speaker 1>at the time of the murder. In addition, the couple

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<v Speaker 1>shared two young daughters together. One was three at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>the other was just one and a half years old.

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<v Speaker 1>That Saturday morning, Julia Beverly and Jade Beasley were the

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<v Speaker 1>only people in their one floor modular home. Mike was

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<v Speaker 1>at work as a cook at the local cracker barrel.

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<v Speaker 1>Julia's son, Jaden, was visiting his birth father, and the

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<v Speaker 1>couple's two young girls were spending the weekend with their grandmother, Sheila.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike's mom, Julia Beverly, was working the morning shift from

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<v Speaker 1>home as a remote customer service representative for Hyatt. Beverly

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<v Speaker 1>initially told police she had left Jade alone to do

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<v Speaker 1>holiday shopping at the local Walmart, but upon getting there,

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<v Speaker 1>realized she'd left her wallet at home when she switched

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<v Speaker 1>from her diaper bag to a smaller purse, so she

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<v Speaker 1>returned back home to the house. That's when, according to Beverly,

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<v Speaker 1>she encountered a knife wielding, masked man dressed in black

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<v Speaker 1>who tussled with her at the front door before fleeing

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<v Speaker 1>on foot. She then discovered blood throughout the house and

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<v Speaker 1>Jade in the bathtub before calling nine one one. Just

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<v Speaker 1>five days later, the now former Williamson County State's Attorney,

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon Soonati, held a press conference.

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<v Speaker 2>A few hours ago, I charged Julia Beverley, aged twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>of eleven three oh four Songbird Road, Marion with three

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<v Speaker 2>counts a first degree murder. The murder of Jade Murray Beasley,

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<v Speaker 2>an eleven year old girl, and arrest warrant was issued

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<v Speaker 2>and Julia Bevley was arrested within the past hour and

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<v Speaker 2>is being processed and held with the Williamson County Jail.

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<v Speaker 2>She's being held on a two million dollar bond.

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<v Speaker 1>Zanati would then hold up a photo of the victim,

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<v Speaker 1>Jade Beasley. It shows an adorable young girl with bob

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<v Speaker 1>strawberry blonde hair accented with pink streaks and a pink bow.

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<v Speaker 1>She's smiling broadly from behind pink rimmed glasses, dressed in

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<v Speaker 1>even more bright pink. The cropped photo and the larger

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<v Speaker 1>full body original of the small, pink clad girl would

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<v Speaker 1>be utilized by the media throughout the duration of the

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<v Speaker 1>investigation and trial.

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<v Speaker 2>I recently was given a copy of the booking photo,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have those here for anyone that may want.

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<v Speaker 6>Then.

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<v Speaker 1>In stark contrast, Julia Beverly appears haggard and drained in

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<v Speaker 1>her booking photo, her dark clothing and dark hair disheveled.

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<v Speaker 1>The grainy shot drab enough to almost appear black and white.

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<v Speaker 2>These first degree murder charges carry with impossible penalties of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty to sixty years in the Department of Corrections and

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<v Speaker 2>if determined, extended term eligible up to one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Jade Beasley's murder and Julia Beverly's arrest were both announced

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<v Speaker 1>during that same press conference, but while no motive was given,

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<v Speaker 1>Zanati added this.

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<v Speaker 2>When the incident occurred, the suspect gave law enforcement an

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<v Speaker 2>initial report that the unidentified mail ran from the residence

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<v Speaker 2>upon her arriving home. She said that she left the

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<v Speaker 2>residence with Jade alone in the home for a short

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<v Speaker 2>time and return home to find an unidentified male fleeing.

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<v Speaker 2>The investigation has proven this story to be false.

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<v Speaker 1>Murder on Songbird Road will continue after the break. Now

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<v Speaker 1>back to Murder on Songbird Road.

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<v Speaker 8>What they had told us at the press conference was

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<v Speaker 8>that they had arrested Julie Beverly. They charged her with

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<v Speaker 8>murder and had said that she had told them a

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<v Speaker 8>story about a suspect that left the home and that

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<v Speaker 8>that was later proven to be false. That was the

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<v Speaker 8>first official word of that case. But they never explained

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<v Speaker 8>how that happened. I should have asked, you know, looking

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<v Speaker 8>back at it now in hindsight.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Danny Vaie, who was a reporter and anchor at

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<v Speaker 1>local news station WSIL News three when the Beverly story broke.

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<v Speaker 8>Every town has its crime. Marian's no different than any

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<v Speaker 8>other towns. Marion gets a lot of theft, calls, burglaries.

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<v Speaker 8>Very few times that we've covered shootings in Marion, but

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<v Speaker 8>there have been. Not to say that there haven't been,

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<v Speaker 8>but to have a murderer screwsom is. Jade Beasley's doesn't

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<v Speaker 8>happen very often down here, not at all. It's very rare.

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<v Speaker 1>And by down here, Vaya means south.

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<v Speaker 8>Marion is So if you know Southern Illinois University, Carbondale,

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<v Speaker 8>it's about thirty minutes east of Carbondale on Route thirteen.

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<v Speaker 8>If you're more familiar with highways, it cuts right by

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<v Speaker 8>in their stay fifty seven, it cuts through Marion.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you don't know any of the above, know

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<v Speaker 1>that Marion, Illinois is in extremely southern Illinois, closer to

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<v Speaker 1>Missouri than Chicago. Vye's recollection of Jade Beasley's murder remains

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<v Speaker 1>extremely clear. Three years later, on.

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<v Speaker 8>December fifth, twenty twenty, it was a Saturday. I was

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<v Speaker 8>still the morning anchor. My shift was over by around

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<v Speaker 8>ten eleven o'clock am, so I went home, and I'm

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<v Speaker 8>pure in rumblings that there's something happening in Marion. Joe

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<v Speaker 8>Rohanne was actually the first one to go over there.

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<v Speaker 8>He's our protog reporter. He actually shot the initial footage

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<v Speaker 8>of the police response there and he was just telling us,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, that there was a big presence. He went

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<v Speaker 8>to go eventually here back on the scanner that they

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<v Speaker 8>were calling a METAVAC helicopter to the home. But then

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<v Speaker 8>later on we find out that the call was rescinded,

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<v Speaker 8>that the aravact was canceled. Immediately, we were thinking someone died,

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<v Speaker 8>but we just don't know who. We just know that

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<v Speaker 8>there's a lot of police. There's so much activity going on,

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<v Speaker 8>like this is a huge response. I mean, it was insane.

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<v Speaker 8>The number of cars were there. I think there were five,

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<v Speaker 8>but it seemed like there were more. Even in the

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<v Speaker 8>days after when we followed up, they were still there.

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<v Speaker 8>But yeah, we first heard about it on Saturday. We

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<v Speaker 8>didn't get much information officially, and we were slowly hearing

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<v Speaker 8>little details on what may have happened. We were hearing

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<v Speaker 8>that it may have been a little girl. We were

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<v Speaker 8>hearing that it was the girl's mother. Then we're hearing

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<v Speaker 8>it wasn't the mother, it was a stepmother.

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<v Speaker 1>The lack of information, especially during the isolation of the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>led to immediate spec and concern.

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<v Speaker 8>People were calling us for five days asking what was

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<v Speaker 8>going on. People were wondering if the person was still

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<v Speaker 8>out there. There were so many questions. People were wondering

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<v Speaker 8>if there was a serial killer out there because there

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<v Speaker 8>was no hint of we need to find a suspect.

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<v Speaker 8>All we heard was that they were looking for surveillance

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<v Speaker 8>video of the area and that was it. They never

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<v Speaker 8>gave out a suspect description. They never said whether the

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<v Speaker 8>suspect was in custody or not. They never said if

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<v Speaker 8>there was a person of interest until the days leading

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<v Speaker 8>up to the press conference. We didn't hear official word

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<v Speaker 8>until Wednesday, So literally five days later after the fact,

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<v Speaker 8>when something's happening the press conference, that was the first

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<v Speaker 8>official word of that case. And I was actually the

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<v Speaker 8>one filming that.

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<v Speaker 1>Vye would go on to cover the case and the

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<v Speaker 1>trial reporting that would put him and the media in

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<v Speaker 1>general at odds with Renee high Tower. Beverly's mother, since

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<v Speaker 1>the day of the murder, her belief in her daughter's

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<v Speaker 1>innocence has not wavered. The daughter, who close friends and family,

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<v Speaker 1>called Julie.

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<v Speaker 6>That morning, I was at work.

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<v Speaker 1>Renee was working at one of the gas stations she manages.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember the ambulances going by my work because I

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<v Speaker 6>was in my Marion store.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing clicked.

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<v Speaker 6>Nothing was like, Oh my god, something's happened to one

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<v Speaker 6>of my children, you know, or one of my grandchildren.

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<v Speaker 6>Nothing clicked. I was just watching because they were going

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<v Speaker 6>like an extra speed. To my coworker, I was like,

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<v Speaker 6>oh my god, something really bad must to happen. Probably

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<v Speaker 6>about four thirty PM, my niece called me, who lives

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<v Speaker 6>in Salem, Massachusetts, and said she's seen something on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>Nikki is the daughter of Renee's sister and lived in

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<v Speaker 1>Marion with her family before they moved to Massachusetts after

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<v Speaker 1>she graduated high school.

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<v Speaker 10>I was just kind of doing my normal thing, chasing

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<v Speaker 10>the kids around, and I had a few moments to

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<v Speaker 10>pop on Facebook. And I still follow the local news

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<v Speaker 10>station Eaton, though are not there for a while. I

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<v Speaker 10>so to like to see what goes on in the community.

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<v Speaker 10>And I thought a new story about murdered in a

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<v Speaker 10>rutle area in Marion, and I was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 10>that's so crazy, because nothing will like that happens, at

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<v Speaker 10>least whenever I was growing up there. I clicked on

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<v Speaker 10>the article and the picture just it looked so familiar,

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<v Speaker 10>and I didn't want it to look familiar that it did.

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<v Speaker 10>And when I clicked on the article it said Songbird Road.

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<v Speaker 10>My heart sank because I knew it that's the road

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<v Speaker 10>that Julie lived on. It was the tree in the

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<v Speaker 10>front yard that did it, because it's a very odd

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<v Speaker 10>looking tree. I called my aunt, Julie's mom, and I said, hey,

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<v Speaker 10>if we call to Julie and she was like, no, no.

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<v Speaker 10>I was like, there's there's been a murder on her road,

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<v Speaker 10>and I think it here's her house.

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<v Speaker 6>She sent me a picture and sure enough I recognized

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<v Speaker 6>it to be Julie's house.

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<v Speaker 1>You found out through a niece who lives halfway across

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<v Speaker 1>the country who saw it on social media. Yes, four

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<v Speaker 1>hours later, so I raced out there.

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<v Speaker 6>I was about twelve to fifteen miles away, and I

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<v Speaker 6>think I got there in three minutes until I and

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<v Speaker 6>sure enough there's police vehicles everywhere and it's taped off,

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<v Speaker 6>and I'm in a panic, and there's an officer at

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<v Speaker 6>Kirk and I get out of my car and I'm asking,

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<v Speaker 6>are the kids okay? Ma'am you'll have to go to

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<v Speaker 6>the police station. I said, this is my daughter's house.

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<v Speaker 6>Is she okay? He would not answer, you have to

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<v Speaker 6>go a police sestion. In the meantime, I'm calling Julie,

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<v Speaker 6>no answer. I'm calling Mike, no answer. I'm calling Sheila Jade,

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<v Speaker 6>and nobody's answering the phone. So my panic level is

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<v Speaker 6>rising with every time I try to call somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>Because at that point, anybody could have been dead.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, yes, And I finally get through to Sheila, Mike's mother,

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<v Speaker 6>and I asked, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>And is everybody okay?

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<v Speaker 10>You know?

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<v Speaker 6>And I had a many questions and her response to me,

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<v Speaker 6>if you hold on, I'll tell you so breath and

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<v Speaker 6>she said to me, well, Jade's with our heavenly father now,

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<v Speaker 6>and I just lost it, lost it. I was screaming no,

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<v Speaker 6>and I quickly have to gather myself together again and

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<v Speaker 6>ask what happened? And she said, do you want to

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<v Speaker 6>talk to Mike? I said yes, So Mike tells me

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<v Speaker 6>that she committed suicide, and I'm like, what makes an

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<v Speaker 6>eleven year old girl. What was going on? Was she depressed? No,

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<v Speaker 6>not that I know of, but Mom and Kim said

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<v Speaker 6>she might have been feeling a little bit depressed.

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<v Speaker 1>That initial confusion about the cause of death within the

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<v Speaker 1>immediate family and the fact that police only informed one

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<v Speaker 1>side of the family were just two of the issues

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<v Speaker 1>that would define the investigation of Jade's murder and the

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<v Speaker 1>case against Julia Beverly, as would what Renee recalls as

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<v Speaker 1>a notable disconnect between Mike and his fiance. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>where's Julie?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you talked to her? No, he hasn't talked to her.

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<v Speaker 1>He hasn't spoken to the woman he lives with, who

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<v Speaker 1>is the mother of two of his children. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Why how did he explain that.

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<v Speaker 6>He didn't He just said he hadn't talked to her. Now,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm sure by this time they had taken Julie's phone,

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<v Speaker 6>so she couldn't call or talk to anyone. But if

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<v Speaker 6>you were down in the police station like her, I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>did you ask about her?

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<v Speaker 9>No?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>But he didn't even know where she was, didn't know

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<v Speaker 6>where she was, so I figured, well, this officer was

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<v Speaker 6>telling me to go down to the police station. So

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<v Speaker 6>I go down to the Sheriff's.

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<v Speaker 1>Office, which is indeed where Julia was having agreed to

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<v Speaker 1>be questioned, initially waiving her right to an attorney.

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<v Speaker 6>I was asking if my daughter was there, and he

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<v Speaker 6>asked who I was, and he said, we'll be down

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<v Speaker 6>in a minute, and police officer Carl Gustantine came down

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<v Speaker 6>and talked to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember that name, Carl Gustantine will play a pivotal role

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<v Speaker 1>in Renee's issues with the investigation and Julia's arrest. At

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<v Speaker 1>this point, what time is it?

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<v Speaker 6>Probably around five thirty pm going on six. He come

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<v Speaker 6>down and he said, we've got a lot of questions

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<v Speaker 6>that we're talking to her. It's going to be a while.

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<v Speaker 6>And I said, well, I'm not going anywhere. As he's

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<v Speaker 6>going back upstairs. I said, what would make an eleven

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<v Speaker 6>year old commit suicide? And he looked at me strange

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<v Speaker 6>and he said, who told you that? And I said

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<v Speaker 6>her boyfriend, Mike, and he just said oh, and he

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<v Speaker 6>went on and finished questioning my daughter. It was crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>It was crazy. So I'm talking to.

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<v Speaker 6>My oldest son, Michael, and he said, why do they

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<v Speaker 6>still have her in there. It's been hours, and I

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<v Speaker 6>was like, I don't know. I guess they got a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of things to talk, you know, trying to figure

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<v Speaker 6>this out. He's like, where's Mike. I said, I think

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<v Speaker 6>he's at home. He's like, Mom, they're looking at her,

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<v Speaker 6>at a suspect.

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<v Speaker 1>Julie Willingly submitted for questioning yes, without representation, because it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't occur to her that she was a suspect.

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<v Speaker 6>Correct now. Julia had told me later on that she

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<v Speaker 6>could feel a change in the wind within ten to

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<v Speaker 6>fifteen minutes of being there. But then she's trying to

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<v Speaker 6>brush it off. They're doing their job. They have to

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<v Speaker 6>exclude family members before they fine, you know. So this

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<v Speaker 6>is how she's playing it in her mind. This is

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<v Speaker 6>their job, they have to do this. I'm reading too

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<v Speaker 6>much into it, But she did say she could feel

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<v Speaker 6>a change within ten minutes of them being there.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the police being at her home, at the crime scene.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Much of this case seems to hinge on the fact.

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<v Speaker 1>Beverly initially told police she had made it to Walmart

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<v Speaker 1>before realizing she'd left her wallet at home, but surveillancege

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<v Speaker 1>established she had not completed that journey here again is

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<v Speaker 1>Whitney Nicole.

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<v Speaker 9>They arrested her so fast, you know, and so I'm like,

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<v Speaker 9>she must have been drenched in blood and had all

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<v Speaker 9>this evidence, but come to find out, there was no

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<v Speaker 9>bloody clothing of hers found. There was no blood found

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<v Speaker 9>in her bedroom, or in her bathroom or even in

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<v Speaker 9>their drain. So if she even took a shower, where

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<v Speaker 9>did that blullod go? Where did her bloody clothes go?

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<v Speaker 9>Where did weapon go?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 9>Like witnesses, no, nothing, And it's supposed to be beyond

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<v Speaker 9>a reasonable doubt, you know, And there is nothing to

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<v Speaker 9>even prove she should have even been arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>Whitney Nicole also brings up something that makes those photos

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<v Speaker 1>from the press conference with the Williamson County States Attorney

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<v Speaker 1>more interesting.

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<v Speaker 13>Oh, Julie's side, Juliet was shorter than Jade, and she

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<v Speaker 13>waited like.

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<v Speaker 9>Jade was one hundred and thirty pounds in five foot three.

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<v Speaker 9>Julia was four to eight in one hundred and fifteen pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>A quick clarification, Beverly is actually four foot eleven.

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<v Speaker 9>Julia never even been in a fight before, and Anna

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<v Speaker 9>was actually said by the bio mother of Jade that.

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<v Speaker 1>She had taught Jade, so with the fence.

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<v Speaker 9>So in that case, like you know, Julia never being

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<v Speaker 9>in a fight, why it wasn't there more like the

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<v Speaker 9>fence of wounds on her?

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<v Speaker 1>You know when I mean? The photo than Williamson County

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<v Speaker 1>State's Attorney Brandon Sonati released to the public of eleven

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<v Speaker 1>year old Jade Beasley was actually over a year old,

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<v Speaker 1>depicting Jade before a very substantial growth spurt, giving the

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<v Speaker 1>false impression that Jade was smaller than Julia Beverly at

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<v Speaker 1>the time of her death.

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<v Speaker 4>We begin tonight with breaking news.

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<v Speaker 5>A Williamson County jury has reached a verdict in the

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<v Speaker 5>Julia Beverly trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Two years later. It would take a jury just a

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<v Speaker 1>little over one and a half hours of deliberation to

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<v Speaker 1>deliver a verdict.

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<v Speaker 10>She was found guilty of murdering eleven year old Jade Beasley.

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<v Speaker 1>But many, including the prosecution and the victim's family, believe

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<v Speaker 1>justice was served. After the verdict, the special prosecutor, Jennifer

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<v Speaker 1>Mudge spoke to local news.

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<v Speaker 11>Any child murder case means a lot, and there's a

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<v Speaker 11>lot of stake and a lot of emotions involved, So

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<v Speaker 11>you have to in a sense taken a little bit personally,

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<v Speaker 11>but we did our.

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<v Speaker 1>Jobs, as did Jade Beasley's mother, Jessica Bradley.

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<v Speaker 4>Being able to be here for justice to be served

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<v Speaker 4>to her was.

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<v Speaker 1>A good ending. The concepts of justice and injustice are

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<v Speaker 1>intertwined with crime and punishment, but in the case of

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<v Speaker 1>this murder, they played heavily into the divisive aftermath that

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<v Speaker 1>quickly seemed to split the city of Marion, and as

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<v Speaker 1>social media activity. According to Beverly's cousin Nikki, so did

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<v Speaker 1>race absolutely.

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<v Speaker 10>I remember within hours of her being arrested, there were

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<v Speaker 10>just people that had taken pictures from her Facebook profile

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<v Speaker 10>because she had attended a Black Lives Matter rally with

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<v Speaker 10>Mike a few weeks earlier, and it was in the

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<v Speaker 10>Marian town square, and they had a picture of her

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<v Speaker 10>holding up a sign that said no Jessice, no keys,

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<v Speaker 10>and they were using that picture to like walk her

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<v Speaker 10>and then everybody was dashing the whole Black Lives Matters movement.

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<v Speaker 10>But they did proceed to cut Mike out of the

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<v Speaker 10>picture because Houston and directly behind her year's two pictures

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<v Speaker 10>and her race and her social stances against her. I

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<v Speaker 10>do feel that maybe that could have also impacted the

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<v Speaker 10>police from the get go because that stuff was in

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<v Speaker 10>our house as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she still had her sign from that so

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<v Speaker 1>when responding officers came to that house, they would have

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<v Speaker 1>seen black Lives Matter signage, right.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, I think the poster board that she had at

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<v Speaker 10>the rally, I'm pretty sure.

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<v Speaker 1>It was in her living room. No Justice, No Peace.

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<v Speaker 1>Her booking photo wasn't the only thing that appeared black

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<v Speaker 1>and white. Julia Beverly is mixed race. For context, according

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<v Speaker 1>to the most recent census, Marion, Illinois is eighty six

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<v Speaker 1>percent white, while Renee high Tower, Julia's mother, is white.

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<v Speaker 1>Julia and her three brothers are all mixed race. Julia's cousin, Nikki,

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<v Speaker 1>is the daughter of Renee's sister, and when she lived

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<v Speaker 1>in Marion, part of that white eighty six percent.

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<v Speaker 10>That's one of the reasons why we relocated. I don't

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<v Speaker 10>want to bad mouth where I'm from and where we

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<v Speaker 10>grew up, but it is very much a predominantly white community,

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<v Speaker 10>very heavily religious. Some of the things that I have

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<v Speaker 10>growing up are a bit ridiculous. I remember an incident

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<v Speaker 10>in our high school. There was very hard game Patrina

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<v Speaker 10>Bill as a family that had been relocated, and they

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<v Speaker 10>look a black boy who had been relocated to our school,

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<v Speaker 10>and within a day somebody had picked a fight with him.

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<v Speaker 10>They got into a physical altercation in his family. It

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<v Speaker 10>is not a very inclusive community. I would say.

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<v Speaker 1>Whitney Nicole is also part of that white eighty six percent,

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<v Speaker 1>but her children are not. Do you think race played

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<v Speaker 1>a role in the O Yes? And sex why?

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<v Speaker 9>Because I witnessed it firsthand. I the racism. I witnessed

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<v Speaker 9>the sexism. Say, okay, me being a white female and

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<v Speaker 9>it was a spear against a black individual, they probably

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<v Speaker 9>take it my aside. But say if it was between

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<v Speaker 9>me I am another white male individual, take his side

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<v Speaker 9>which I witness and I have experienced.

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<v Speaker 1>Whitney attended every day of Julia Beverley's trial which unfolded

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<v Speaker 1>in Marion. Do you think that Julie was judged by

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<v Speaker 1>a jury of her peers?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 13>Oh, now, I think it was set up just the

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<v Speaker 13>way they wanted it to be set up, like it

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<v Speaker 13>was all.

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<v Speaker 9>White, all white individuals, there was nobody of color.

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<v Speaker 1>Renee high Tower is extremely aware of racial issues in Marion,

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<v Speaker 1>having raised four mixed children into adulthood. There It's also

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to note that two of Renee's three sons are

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<v Speaker 1>active military. In addition, the man Julia considered her stepfather,

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<v Speaker 1>Renee high Tower's ex husband, Angelo high Tower, was a

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<v Speaker 1>sergeant and longtime officer of the Marian Police Department when

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<v Speaker 1>he alleged discrimination due to his race when passed over

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<v Speaker 1>for promotion in twenty fourteen. That's the same police department

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<v Speaker 1>that assisted the Williamson County Sheriff's Office in the investigation

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<v Speaker 1>of Jade.

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<v Speaker 12>Another thing that I thought of before I forget is

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<v Speaker 12>when you're talking about the shitty investigation here, when I

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<v Speaker 12>was trying to get Julie's things out of the house

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<v Speaker 12>that were left after the investigation was over, I called

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<v Speaker 12>Carl Gusantine and I was talking to him. They did

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<v Speaker 12>not even know that Julie owned that house.

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<v Speaker 4>That's how deep that investigation went.

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<v Speaker 12>Because he told me, you're going to have to talk

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<v Speaker 12>to the owner, and I said, I did.

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<v Speaker 6>She's sitting in jail right now.

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<v Speaker 12>And I've got the longest pause from him, and then

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<v Speaker 12>he said, well, they both own it, and I was like, no,

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<v Speaker 12>Julie owns it and he's just sitting there. I'm not

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<v Speaker 12>going to help you.

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<v Speaker 6>Then I'm not going to help you. That's still matter.

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<v Speaker 6>You're gonna have to talk to him.

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<v Speaker 8>And he hung up on me.

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<v Speaker 1>Murder on Songbird Road will return after the break. Now

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<v Speaker 1>back to Murder on Songbird Road. Could Julia Beverly have

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<v Speaker 1>been wrongfully convicted? Well, there does appear to be issues

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<v Speaker 1>of possible injustice worthy of revisiting. There are also facts

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<v Speaker 1>that remain problematic. Why did Beverly initially say she went

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<v Speaker 1>to Walmart when her phone location and surveillance camera footage

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<v Speaker 1>apparently show she turned around well before completing that trip.

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<v Speaker 1>Why was there a significant delay according to the prosecution,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one minutes between the time Beverly returned home and

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<v Speaker 1>found Jade before she called nine to one one. It

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<v Speaker 1>turns out I wasn't the only person with questions or

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<v Speaker 1>getting DMS about Julia Beverly. I just want to ask

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<v Speaker 1>you how this case came on your radar.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's a funny story really because it was Renee

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<v Speaker 5>and Renee I think had run into I don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 5>know if she listened to My Gaycy season or she

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<v Speaker 5>was listening to My Garcia season.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Bob Mada, former criminal defense attorney turned prolific podcaster,

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<v Speaker 1>best known for his work as the host of the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast Defense Diaries, where, along with his wife Alison, also

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<v Speaker 1>a defense attorney, he discussed his high profile criminal cases

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<v Speaker 1>and the legal system from the perspective of his two

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<v Speaker 1>decades practicing law.

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<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't be doing this if I hadn't done that

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<v Speaker 5>as miserable as I was at the end of my

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<v Speaker 5>legal career, because defense loitering is a gut wrenching profession.

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<v Speaker 5>You're fighting the power of the government like non stop,

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<v Speaker 5>never ending, and you're constantly losing. It's disheartening in a

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<v Speaker 5>really fundamental way because you go into that profession wanting

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<v Speaker 5>to really protect the rights of all of us, which

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<v Speaker 5>is really what defense attorneys do.

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<v Speaker 1>Turns out, Mata and I were drawn into the Beverly

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<v Speaker 1>case in a fairly similar fashion.

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<v Speaker 5>Renee reached out to me via email. Simultaneous to that,

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<v Speaker 5>Whitney Nichole was hitting me up in my DMS.

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<v Speaker 4>They were both sending me the same things.

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<v Speaker 1>Mara and I had initially connected in February of twenty three.

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<v Speaker 5>Because you would and I were talking about Christopher Vaughan.

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<v Speaker 5>So you and I had this thing going on completely

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<v Speaker 5>sevened and apart.

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<v Speaker 1>His active community of defense diary listeners wanted his take

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<v Speaker 1>on my take of Christopher Vaughn, who was sentenced in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twelve to four consecutive life sentences for the two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and seven shooting deaths of his wife and three children.

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<v Speaker 1>The case was the focus of the Murder in Illinois podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>which was released in twenty twenty one. You hit me

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<v Speaker 1>up on Twitter, and I thought, oh, good God, here

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<v Speaker 1>comes somebody wanting to attack me again for my support

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<v Speaker 1>of Vaughn. And then it very quickly became obvious that

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<v Speaker 1>you were intrigued. And that's when I just sent you everything,

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<v Speaker 1>the trial transcripts and just said, come on, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let me know what you think.

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<v Speaker 5>That gave me the answer in like the parallels between

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<v Speaker 5>Julie's case and Christopher's case.

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<v Speaker 4>In terms of like most people that kill.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a reason, a motive, something.

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<v Speaker 4>There's always a moment, and it doesn't exist here.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the outreach from Witne Nicole when she started

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<v Speaker 1>blowing up my DMS started over a year ago. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know what to think, but there was a very

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<v Speaker 1>real thread of wrongful conviction red flags right the tunnel vision,

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<v Speaker 1>the trial by media, the confirmation bias, and in this

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<v Speaker 1>case racism. Racism for sure, but while race didn't play

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<v Speaker 1>a role in the bond case. In addition to the

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<v Speaker 1>tragic loss of young life, there are some other striking

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<v Speaker 1>similarities with the case against Julia Beverly.

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<v Speaker 5>Julie's case, in Christopher's case. The things that they said

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<v Speaker 5>initially that were not truthful are always the hardest things

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<v Speaker 5>to overcome in your own mind, because then when you

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<v Speaker 5>start looking at the facts, especially with Julie's case in particular,

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<v Speaker 5>they just don't add up.

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<v Speaker 1>Murder in Illinois remains the most polarizing case I've personally covered.

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<v Speaker 1>Questioning the integrity of the investigation and conviction that landed

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<v Speaker 1>Vaughn in prison prompted some people to wish death on

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<v Speaker 1>my children. That wasn't lost on me. When I waged

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<v Speaker 1>looking into Julia Beverly's conviction, I was really wary of

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<v Speaker 1>it because of my experience with taking on a family

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<v Speaker 1>annihilator case in Illinois. So when I realized, oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Illinois again, and that this is a stepmother who

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<v Speaker 1>has been arrested and ultimately convicted of the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>a step daughter. I said, you know who you should call, Bob.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that you were already on Renee's radar.

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<v Speaker 4>Renee hit me up and she's like, oh, I'm talking

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<v Speaker 4>to Lauren. I'm like, what her and I have.

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<v Speaker 5>Been working on Christopher Vaughan and me doing something on

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<v Speaker 5>Vaughn for months, and I can't believe that the this

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<v Speaker 5>never came up, and I just thought things are meant

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<v Speaker 5>to be a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Bob and I share a sense of pragmatic skepticism, but

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<v Speaker 1>also recognize the timeliness and responsibility of discovering issues with

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<v Speaker 1>this conviction before Beverly was even sentenced.

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<v Speaker 5>You and I both know the stuff that we typically cover,

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<v Speaker 5>especially you with your wrongful conviction work. I mean defendants

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<v Speaker 5>that are in fifteen twenty years trying to get somebody

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<v Speaker 5>to take a look at their case, knowing just how

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<v Speaker 5>clogged the system is.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, with this case, the.

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<v Speaker 5>More I learned about it, the more I'm scratching my

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<v Speaker 5>head and I'm like, man, something stinks about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Something's not right, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you add the extra layer of the fact that yes,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a stepmother, but she's also a mother. Yes, two

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. Three other children, yes, two of them

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<v Speaker 1>toddler age. Yes, she's been taken away from all of

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<v Speaker 1>her children. And if she's innocent, I can't think of

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<v Speaker 1>a more horrifying thing to experience me either.

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<v Speaker 4>As a father of four.

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<v Speaker 1>Julia Beverly has not seen the two daughters she shares

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<v Speaker 1>with Mike Beasley since Jade Beasley's murder nearly four years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's an additional layer. Within weeks of her arrest,

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<v Speaker 1>Julia Beverly discovered she was pregnant with her third child

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<v Speaker 1>by Beasley, a pregnancy that ended in unfathomable cruelty, especially

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<v Speaker 1>if the conviction of Julia Beverly proves to be a

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<v Speaker 1>wrongful one. But there's another reason driving Beverly's supporters. If

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<v Speaker 1>Julia Beverly is not the person who took Jade Beasley's life,

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<v Speaker 1>there has been no justice for Jade. Here's Beverly's cousin, Nikki.

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<v Speaker 10>It's scary because the person hinted it is still out

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<v Speaker 10>there and nobody seems to care.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's not.

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<v Speaker 1>True, we seem to care. What happened to Jade Beasley

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<v Speaker 1>is unfathomable and indefensible, and it is not our intention

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<v Speaker 1>to disparage anyone living or dead, but rather to re

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<v Speaker 1>examine this case with integrity and sensitivity while exploring whether

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<v Speaker 1>Julia Beverley was justly charged, tried, and convicted, or whether

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<v Speaker 1>pertinent facts and later developments that could have been utilized

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<v Speaker 1>in her defense were intentionally overlooked or ignored. On the

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<v Speaker 1>next Murder on Songbird Road, the ripple effect of Jade's

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<v Speaker 1>murder rips apart relationships.

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<v Speaker 12>I said that Jade is no longer with us, and

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<v Speaker 12>you can see him kind of trying to swallow those

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<v Speaker 12>tears and.

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<v Speaker 1>Siblings do you want?

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<v Speaker 8>I'm living with his mom and his two younger sisters

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<v Speaker 8>to you know, get to see his siblings.

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<v Speaker 1>But did the investigation end before it even began?

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<v Speaker 6>Within an hour and a half, they were knock at

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<v Speaker 6>our back door. They said they were there for Julie

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<v Speaker 6>and they had a warrant for her arrests.

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